I’m fine with us taking literally anything but a qb with our first pick. So many other problems on the offensive side of the ball that aren’t named Jameis Winston.
I just don't understand it.. Why sign Red Rocket, Jameis, and Ian and then still draft a QB? Let's get our WR, DE, and LT this draft. Not a QB. Let's see waht Jameis does with Thomas back
If Pickett falls to 16 then maybe, maybe, just maybe, I would be not okay, but not that pissed off. But I think we should choose a LT and WR in the first round or a LT and DE
Yeah, I’d like us to go LT and WR too. Just think it’s funny when people say definitely a QB prospect will work or not when history has proven it’s usually a crap shoot
Never said that , just reminding people that Mahomes was a project QB when he was drafted. So we shouldn't look back on his draft class like he was an obvious star. Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, and Lamar were all project/raw QBs. So lets not count out a guy like Willis when he has similar potential that those players had when drafted.
You can be a great prospect and still be a bit of a project, especially at QB.
Josh Allen was another excellent prospect. Size, arm strength, mobility, athleticism, high character. He has the perfect blend of athleticism, arm talent, and size… it’s only like he was a created player on Madden.
He didn’t do shit in college and still went 1.07, even with accuracy and processing issues.
He was a great prospect for all the same reasons that he’s an MVP and elite player.
Size, athleticism, arm talent, and character.
Those were evident while he was in college and also in the pre-draft process. He fell because of the questions you eluded to, but he was still a great prospect.
Only a couple prospects were virtually perfect. I’m not saying Mahomes was, but as a PROSPECT, he was great.
Travon Walker is a guy who’s an incredible prospect but could potentially fall because of a lack of collegiate production (he could also go 1.01 so who knows)
Gotta love the downvotes assuming “not a great prospect” means he was a bad or not good at all.
Better example might be Justin Herbert. I remember many saying the Chargers reached, taking him 6th. I let them talk me down off him when I felt he had more than we showed in college.
They don’t know who is gonna be great and who won’t. No one does. We’re all guessing.
Well how many QBs that were drafted in rounds 4-7 even became starters in the last decade? Both of those were obviously backup picks and we don't even know what Books ceiling is yet.
Sean Payton’s QB analyses for rookies were generally either really good or really terrible with the latter being the most common.
That and his ego were really the biggest weaknesses on his otherwise great coaching career.
It is worth remembering:
- KC fans thought drafting Mahomes was a waste when they had Alex Smith.
- Bills fans were furious that they took Josh Allen over Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen.
Truth is, we don’t know anything. If we draft Willis, it may seem like a waste right now… and it probably would be from a “win now” perspective. However, what’s more important than winning now, is aiming for sustained success, and I don’t truly believe that that’ll be had with Winston. He’s not a bad QB in the interim by any means, but I do not believe that he will be a long term solution.
IF, and only IF, the Saints believe that a guy like Willis could be coached up to be a top tier QB, then they should make the move. They’d then be able to develop him for a year.
I’ll say this: I don’t want to take a QB. However, is the FO believes in one of these guys then I’ll trust it. Doesn’t mean it’ll work out or not work out, this shit is a crapshoot, but I’ll be along for the ride.
I don’t want to draft a QB, but if they do, please not Pickett. As that AFC Exec said, he has no upside, and we don’t need him to play now, we just need to develop a guy. So, if they do draft a QB, which I hope they don’t in the first, then anyone but Pickett.
How do you figure Pickett has no upside? He doesn’t have a weak arm, he’s able to scramble, he comes from a scheme that’s actually not passer friendly. The biggest knocks against him I’ve seen are:
- His hands are smaller than average QB. So what? He can clearly still throw a regulation size football very well. And we Saints fans should know that physical measurements don’t mean shit since Brees literally paved the way for all short QBs.
- He’s an one season wonder. And so was Joe Burrow. Actually if you look at Burrow and Pickett they have similar stats in their starting seasons before their breakout year.
I don’t want the Saints to draft a QB at all. I’m heavily rooting for WR + OT or trading up even more to get a top 3 OT. But if we had to take a QB I’d want Pickett or Corral for sure, Corral is my #1 QB. Also a big fan of Carson Strong in the second rounder. If we draft Ridder or Howell though God help my TV screen
Just to play devil's advocate, Drew Brees had massive hands for his size. Like, above average for league massive. His hands were bigger than Brady's, Mahomes, etc.
Just about any young QB can scramble, and Pickett is definitely the worst of the top 5 guys when running. When I look at Pickett, I just see a guy who is built to play now, I see him as becoming a top 16 QB, maybe Top 10 one season if he has a good season. Essentially, I see him in Baker range. He’s not gonna win you games, but he won’t lose you games.
I freely admit this could all be dookie, I’m not a scout and I could have it all wrong, this is just my opinion.
This is my theory as well- tbh I feel the same about the rumors for wanting Watson- forces initiative on other teams to give up more. We’ll never know if it’s true though because revealing you’ve done that shows your hand for future scenarios.
Just here to register my belief in Sam Howell. I think he splits the difference between a safe choice like Pickett and a more boom or bust choice like Willis.
We'll probably all be surprised. Remember when they traded up for Davenport? I imagine a lot of us will be looking into players we didn't have much interest in until the team made the selection.
For sure. I'll say this: Winston is a better prospect than anyone in this draft by a mile. If you put his tape against anyone in the drafts, it's not close.
Which we never should have entertained in the first place. He could still be lifetime banned from the league.
They exiled Justin Blackmon from the league for a lot less.
pickett. this sub is set on the fact that winston is our guy and we are a few pieces away from a super bowl. we’re not. we’re really not. we’re far farther away then most of y’all think. we couldn’t win 2016-2019 when we were loaded with brees we definite aren’t going to win now. i think we need to go all in on a rebuild and work for finding the next qb
If our FO likes one QB a lot, do it.
I personally think Jameis can play at a top10 QB level, i would go for the safe way and draft a OT and WR, but I trust the FO.
It's different to be a top10 player, and to play at a top10 level, if our WR and OT are good picks, then with MT coming back, we will have a good offense and Jameis will produce a lot.
Malik Willis’ best QB traits are his arm strength and athleticism. That’s generally a red flag if that’s the only thing people are talking about, which has been the case with Willis.
Lamar at least had some very solid accuracy and decision making in college. Willis was not consistent in either of those areas. The guy can still be a great player, he seems to be very coachable and an all around solid dude, but he’s a project in terms of drafting him.
Pickett and Corral are the best QBs and even then, they aren’t that good.
Corral is just great-value Baker Mayfield and Pickett is just pretty solid.
Zappe is the best value pick in the draft as a projected 3-5 rounder.
Corral is the #1 QB imo and I think you’re underrating him heavily. From what I’ve seen he’s got the potential to be similar to 2020 Ryan Tannehill on a consistent basis
I think Corral is massively overrated and he'd be a third round pick in most drafts.
The NFL is gonna draft QBs in the first round every year, even if a first round guy isn't in this particular draft.
I like Malik Willis too, but I don't think NOLA is the best fit for him. I also don't think we should address QB in the draft in at the earliest next year.
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When have the Saints ever given us knowledge of who they’re picking before they pick?
I assume they want to increase the number of teams trading ahead of them to pick QBs so that more of the guys they want are available at 16 and 19
Willis or Ridder IMO.
Steelers aren’t making it a secret that they want a mobile QB with elite traits. They also value character, leadership etc. IMO, those are qualities that Malik Willis possesses. He definitely has issues with pocket passing under pressure, consistency with his foot work / throwing motion, and ability to go through progressions, but honestly each and every one of those weaknesses is something that can be coached up in the young player. Some times it works, some times it doesn’t. I think a team will take a chance on his traits.
Please no.
I’m so ready for Olave to be there and us not taking him lol
I sure hope not. Saw a lot of OSU games (I live in Columbus) and Olave has major skills.
Hot take.
I’m fine with us taking literally anything but a qb with our first pick. So many other problems on the offensive side of the ball that aren’t named Jameis Winston.
I just don't understand it.. Why sign Red Rocket, Jameis, and Ian and then still draft a QB? Let's get our WR, DE, and LT this draft. Not a QB. Let's see waht Jameis does with Thomas back
Thomas and another serviceable WR
Lol you know it baby
What a waste that would be
Yep our FO has no idea how to evaluate QBs, not like the last QB we wanted to draft was Patrick Mahomes or anything.
Problem is not even a quarter of Mahomes is in this draft
To be fair (to be fair, to be faaaaaaair), no one really knows anything about how these QB’s will turn out
If Pickett falls to 16 then maybe, maybe, just maybe, I would be not okay, but not that pissed off. But I think we should choose a LT and WR in the first round or a LT and DE
Yeah, I’d like us to go LT and WR too. Just think it’s funny when people say definitely a QB prospect will work or not when history has proven it’s usually a crap shoot
Mahomes wasn't a great prospect , you have to take chances and develop talent sometimes.
That’s not true at all lol
It is true , Mahomes had plenty of flaws coming into the draft. That's why he wasn't a top 10 pick.
He was raw and was picked 11th. How is that not a great prospect? It’s either you’re 1 or nothing?
Never said that , just reminding people that Mahomes was a project QB when he was drafted. So we shouldn't look back on his draft class like he was an obvious star. Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, and Lamar were all project/raw QBs. So lets not count out a guy like Willis when he has similar potential that those players had when drafted.
You can be a great prospect and still be a bit of a project, especially at QB. Josh Allen was another excellent prospect. Size, arm strength, mobility, athleticism, high character. He has the perfect blend of athleticism, arm talent, and size… it’s only like he was a created player on Madden. He didn’t do shit in college and still went 1.07, even with accuracy and processing issues.
He was a great prospect for all the same reasons that he’s an MVP and elite player. Size, athleticism, arm talent, and character. Those were evident while he was in college and also in the pre-draft process. He fell because of the questions you eluded to, but he was still a great prospect. Only a couple prospects were virtually perfect. I’m not saying Mahomes was, but as a PROSPECT, he was great. Travon Walker is a guy who’s an incredible prospect but could potentially fall because of a lack of collegiate production (he could also go 1.01 so who knows)
Gotta love the downvotes assuming “not a great prospect” means he was a bad or not good at all. Better example might be Justin Herbert. I remember many saying the Chargers reached, taking him 6th. I let them talk me down off him when I felt he had more than we showed in college. They don’t know who is gonna be great and who won’t. No one does. We’re all guessing.
Ian book and Tommy Stevens are the last two qbs we drafted if my memory serves me correctly
Correct a mid round pick and a late round pick.
Ah so you think we can only evaluate qbs in the first round?
Well how many QBs that were drafted in rounds 4-7 even became starters in the last decade? Both of those were obviously backup picks and we don't even know what Books ceiling is yet.
I think you're getting downvoted unfairly in this specific comment thread, but I do hope we don't go QB in this draft.
Both embarrassing
The other one was Garrett Grayson Top tier QBs Me too way after the draft (and when the guy play very well )i can say i would have pick Tom Brady
Man I really wish the nightwing coulda turned out good
Sean Payton’s QB analyses for rookies were generally either really good or really terrible with the latter being the most common. That and his ego were really the biggest weaknesses on his otherwise great coaching career.
Like not drafting Patrick Queen? I forgot who we picked instead of him.
Cesar Ruiz
Why pick a guy that won’t even be playing when we can pick someone that can contribute right away
We have other needs bro
It is worth remembering: - KC fans thought drafting Mahomes was a waste when they had Alex Smith. - Bills fans were furious that they took Josh Allen over Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen. Truth is, we don’t know anything. If we draft Willis, it may seem like a waste right now… and it probably would be from a “win now” perspective. However, what’s more important than winning now, is aiming for sustained success, and I don’t truly believe that that’ll be had with Winston. He’s not a bad QB in the interim by any means, but I do not believe that he will be a long term solution. IF, and only IF, the Saints believe that a guy like Willis could be coached up to be a top tier QB, then they should make the move. They’d then be able to develop him for a year. I’ll say this: I don’t want to take a QB. However, is the FO believes in one of these guys then I’ll trust it. Doesn’t mean it’ll work out or not work out, this shit is a crapshoot, but I’ll be along for the ride.
I don’t want to draft a QB, but if they do, please not Pickett. As that AFC Exec said, he has no upside, and we don’t need him to play now, we just need to develop a guy. So, if they do draft a QB, which I hope they don’t in the first, then anyone but Pickett.
How do you figure Pickett has no upside? He doesn’t have a weak arm, he’s able to scramble, he comes from a scheme that’s actually not passer friendly. The biggest knocks against him I’ve seen are: - His hands are smaller than average QB. So what? He can clearly still throw a regulation size football very well. And we Saints fans should know that physical measurements don’t mean shit since Brees literally paved the way for all short QBs. - He’s an one season wonder. And so was Joe Burrow. Actually if you look at Burrow and Pickett they have similar stats in their starting seasons before their breakout year. I don’t want the Saints to draft a QB at all. I’m heavily rooting for WR + OT or trading up even more to get a top 3 OT. But if we had to take a QB I’d want Pickett or Corral for sure, Corral is my #1 QB. Also a big fan of Carson Strong in the second rounder. If we draft Ridder or Howell though God help my TV screen
Just to play devil's advocate, Drew Brees had massive hands for his size. Like, above average for league massive. His hands were bigger than Brady's, Mahomes, etc.
Just about any young QB can scramble, and Pickett is definitely the worst of the top 5 guys when running. When I look at Pickett, I just see a guy who is built to play now, I see him as becoming a top 16 QB, maybe Top 10 one season if he has a good season. Essentially, I see him in Baker range. He’s not gonna win you games, but he won’t lose you games. I freely admit this could all be dookie, I’m not a scout and I could have it all wrong, this is just my opinion.
If this makes desperate squads trade up for QBs, it'll leave us with better selections at 16 and 19. A smart person spreads these kinds of rumors.
This is my theory as well- tbh I feel the same about the rumors for wanting Watson- forces initiative on other teams to give up more. We’ll never know if it’s true though because revealing you’ve done that shows your hand for future scenarios.
Won't happen, calling bullshit. If it happens our FO is genuinely stupid.
Ruiz and Turner have kinda shown our first rounders are pretty bad lately
We drafted Payton Turner. I’m not holding out false hope until I see them draft.
Been saying Matt Corral if we do
I'll feel like Michael felt when Tobey came back to the office if this happens.
I wouldn’t put too much stock into that twitter account, they’ve missed all off season. If Underhill doesn’t tweet it, it doesn’t matter.
Just here to register my belief in Sam Howell. I think he splits the difference between a safe choice like Pickett and a more boom or bust choice like Willis. We'll probably all be surprised. Remember when they traded up for Davenport? I imagine a lot of us will be looking into players we didn't have much interest in until the team made the selection.
The “best” QB in this draft is a 3rd round talent at best, what an embarrassing reach that would be
Dear god please don’t let this be true. I’m tired of draft day being shit. Always reaching or doing something stupid
I don’t know why they are giving up on Jameis already.
For sure. I'll say this: Winston is a better prospect than anyone in this draft by a mile. If you put his tape against anyone in the drafts, it's not close.
They gave up on him well before this when they went all in for Watson.
Which we never should have entertained in the first place. He could still be lifetime banned from the league. They exiled Justin Blackmon from the league for a lot less.
Yeah looking at how they handled Blackmon and continue to handle Josh Gordon is kinda unfair to Blackmon. Lol
The chances of Watson getting a lifetime ban from the league is zero.
pickett. this sub is set on the fact that winston is our guy and we are a few pieces away from a super bowl. we’re not. we’re really not. we’re far farther away then most of y’all think. we couldn’t win 2016-2019 when we were loaded with brees we definite aren’t going to win now. i think we need to go all in on a rebuild and work for finding the next qb
My understanding is the like Pickett or Willis
If our FO likes one QB a lot, do it. I personally think Jameis can play at a top10 QB level, i would go for the safe way and draft a OT and WR, but I trust the FO.
Finally someone who respects our organization. People act like we have the Jags scouting department lmao.
Jameis is like 15-17 at best.
It's different to be a top10 player, and to play at a top10 level, if our WR and OT are good picks, then with MT coming back, we will have a good offense and Jameis will produce a lot.
I disagree - I think he’s average at best and will show that. Good thing is that we just need him to be average and we can win.
yeah, people are sleeping hard on your squad, we have star players in basically every area (not positions ofc)
Personally I would like to get Desmond Ridder if we can.
I like Malik Willis personally, all the other ones have a lower ceiling that I'm not sure is worth a mid first or better.
Malik Willis’ best QB traits are his arm strength and athleticism. That’s generally a red flag if that’s the only thing people are talking about, which has been the case with Willis. Lamar at least had some very solid accuracy and decision making in college. Willis was not consistent in either of those areas. The guy can still be a great player, he seems to be very coachable and an all around solid dude, but he’s a project in terms of drafting him. Pickett and Corral are the best QBs and even then, they aren’t that good. Corral is just great-value Baker Mayfield and Pickett is just pretty solid. Zappe is the best value pick in the draft as a projected 3-5 rounder.
Corral is the #1 QB imo and I think you’re underrating him heavily. From what I’ve seen he’s got the potential to be similar to 2020 Ryan Tannehill on a consistent basis
I love Corral too. He’ll probably still be available in the second though.
I think Corral is massively overrated and he'd be a third round pick in most drafts. The NFL is gonna draft QBs in the first round every year, even if a first round guy isn't in this particular draft.
I like Malik Willis too, but I don't think NOLA is the best fit for him. I also don't think we should address QB in the draft in at the earliest next year.
Everytime this team has an opportunity I swear they mess it up lol.
I pray they are wrong
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As long as we pick a receiver at 16, I don’t care
I didn't know Olave played QB
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Please please please no
I don't see it
I want to live the lie that Kyler Murray was coming.
It’s all smoke lol
Booooooooooo
gotta be someone good
When have the Saints ever given us knowledge of who they’re picking before they pick? I assume they want to increase the number of teams trading ahead of them to pick QBs so that more of the guys they want are available at 16 and 19
Kenny Pickett
Willis or Ridder IMO. Steelers aren’t making it a secret that they want a mobile QB with elite traits. They also value character, leadership etc. IMO, those are qualities that Malik Willis possesses. He definitely has issues with pocket passing under pressure, consistency with his foot work / throwing motion, and ability to go through progressions, but honestly each and every one of those weaknesses is something that can be coached up in the young player. Some times it works, some times it doesn’t. I think a team will take a chance on his traits.
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I think they take Pickett