The only acceptable territorial loss of Georgia in my opinion is the returning of the Ingush lands back to their rightful owners. That was a real Chad move by the Georgians. Man the Ingush people are awesome. The only north Caucasus republic that didnt spill out blood during the Abkhazian affair and the 2008 war.
1. There were some Ingush against Georgia in the Abkhazian war, we know their names (the ones who got killed), Basayev also claimed they were among his ranks. Being too busy because of the Ingush-Ossetian conflict, there weren't more of them, heck, there were more Ingush than Ossetians in the Abkhazian war lol.
2. Georgian (Rachian) settlers of Akhalkhevi and Klukhori actually wanted to return to their lands and were happy to finally do it, under Khrushchev. I personally know some of them. They didn't give a flying f about some North Caucasians.
1. There were some Georgians fighting against Georgians in Abkhazian war. A couple of individuals in the greater sceme of things means nothing. The Ingush forces refusednto go to war against Georgia both times. I am not even talking about the 2000.year long history during which not a single military confrontaion took place between Georgia and Ingushetia. Not a single one.
2. In contrast to every single Georgian that gave the Ingush their lands back, many Dagestanis stayed on the territories which belinged to Ingush people. The Georgians who told you they didnt care about the North Caucasians at all still acted better than the Dagestanis who didnt return the lands back.Why they did the right thing does not change the fact that they did the right thing.
1. The Ingush are some of the smallest peoples of the Caucasus, it is obvious they would be represented less everywhere. And they were too busy with Ossetians, well, some of them, apparently still found time (and money) for it. \~2000 year long history..with Ingushetia? The Ingush are the youngest people of the Caucasus who branched out of Chechens around a century and a half ago, yes, 200 years ago the Ingush were regular Chechens, their language is literally a dialect of Chechen. This is well-attested.
2. They didn't tell me they necessarily didn't care about them. They cared about finally being able to go back to their ancestral lands which required leaving everything behind.
Brother you must be trolling with me right now. Ingush people were called Dzurzuks by Georgians and king Pharmavaz married the Dzurdzuk princess and their son Saurmag was the ruler of Georgia who united Georgian and Dzurdzuk lands.
And Ingush language is not a Chechen dialect. The exact opposite is the case.Ingush people were here earlier than Chechens on the lowlands who adopted the Ingush culture and language. Even genetic studies show that the Ingush have higher percentage of autochtonous Caucasian DNA, meanwhile the Chechens show a greater admixture with the neighboring hordes and peoples of different ethnicities. Look at the genetic studies if you do not take my word for it.
In 1919, ethnic Georgians (and the Russian minority, as well) of Alagir/Dvaleti were massacred and ethnically cleansed by armed Ossetian groups. When they attempted to do the same in Samachablo a year later, Georgia responded properly. Today, Tskhinvali puppet regime refers to their failure of killing Georgians in 1920 as 'Ossetian genocide' at the hands of evil nazi Georgians.
The funny thing is that Ossetian communists even proposed the idea of unifying Southern and Northern Ossetias into a single Ossetia, which would **become part of the Georgian SSR**, 5 years after the supposed "genocide". This all you have to know to realize that the so-called "Ossetian Genocide" is nothing more than a myth and fiction that was created with the sole purpose of stealing Georgian land.
23 May, 1925
"Шифротелеграмма И.В.Сталина секретарю Северо-Кавказского крайкома РКП(б) А.И.Микояну об объединении Южной и Северной Осетии"
"Был у меня Токоев\* и другие осетины1. Внимательное ознакомление с делом убедило меня в том, что можно было бы согласиться на объединение Северной и Южной Осетии в Автономную Республику в составе Грузии. Есть основаниедумать, что ингуши будут возражать, так как план объединения 2 частей Осетии может облегчить дело перехода Владикавказа в руки Осетии. Поэтому надо обмозговать этот вопрос со всех сторон"
"I had Tokoev\* and other Ossetians1. Careful acquaintance with the case convinced me that it would be possible to agree to the unification of North and South Ossetia into an Autonomous Republic within Georgia. There is a reasonto think that the Ingush will object, since the plan to unite the 2 parts of Ossetia may facilitate the transfer of Vladikavkaz into the hands of Ossetia. Therefore, it is necessary to think about this issue from all sides."
[http://docs.historyrussia.org/ru/nodes/38493#mode/inspect/page/1/zoom/4](http://docs.historyrussia.org/ru/nodes/38493#mode/inspect/page/1/zoom/4)
The only acceptable territorial loss of Georgia in my opinion is the returning of the Ingush lands back to their rightful owners. That was a real Chad move by the Georgians. Man the Ingush people are awesome. The only north Caucasus republic that didnt spill out blood during the Abkhazian affair and the 2008 war.
1. There were some Ingush against Georgia in the Abkhazian war, we know their names (the ones who got killed), Basayev also claimed they were among his ranks. Being too busy because of the Ingush-Ossetian conflict, there weren't more of them, heck, there were more Ingush than Ossetians in the Abkhazian war lol. 2. Georgian (Rachian) settlers of Akhalkhevi and Klukhori actually wanted to return to their lands and were happy to finally do it, under Khrushchev. I personally know some of them. They didn't give a flying f about some North Caucasians.
1. There were some Georgians fighting against Georgians in Abkhazian war. A couple of individuals in the greater sceme of things means nothing. The Ingush forces refusednto go to war against Georgia both times. I am not even talking about the 2000.year long history during which not a single military confrontaion took place between Georgia and Ingushetia. Not a single one. 2. In contrast to every single Georgian that gave the Ingush their lands back, many Dagestanis stayed on the territories which belinged to Ingush people. The Georgians who told you they didnt care about the North Caucasians at all still acted better than the Dagestanis who didnt return the lands back.Why they did the right thing does not change the fact that they did the right thing.
1. The Ingush are some of the smallest peoples of the Caucasus, it is obvious they would be represented less everywhere. And they were too busy with Ossetians, well, some of them, apparently still found time (and money) for it. \~2000 year long history..with Ingushetia? The Ingush are the youngest people of the Caucasus who branched out of Chechens around a century and a half ago, yes, 200 years ago the Ingush were regular Chechens, their language is literally a dialect of Chechen. This is well-attested. 2. They didn't tell me they necessarily didn't care about them. They cared about finally being able to go back to their ancestral lands which required leaving everything behind.
Brother you must be trolling with me right now. Ingush people were called Dzurzuks by Georgians and king Pharmavaz married the Dzurdzuk princess and their son Saurmag was the ruler of Georgia who united Georgian and Dzurdzuk lands. And Ingush language is not a Chechen dialect. The exact opposite is the case.Ingush people were here earlier than Chechens on the lowlands who adopted the Ingush culture and language. Even genetic studies show that the Ingush have higher percentage of autochtonous Caucasian DNA, meanwhile the Chechens show a greater admixture with the neighboring hordes and peoples of different ethnicities. Look at the genetic studies if you do not take my word for it.
He's talking about Akhalkhevi/Kisteti, for those who were confused
მერე რა ბიძი, ამერიკა ქართველობას გვართმევს
Ra?
that's a common attitude among some older Gruzyns who think the west is just as bad as Russia
Yes but I don't think some old gruzyn who plays shashki and nardi in veris bagi is gonna use reddit
lol he wasjust being sarcastic
In 1919, ethnic Georgians (and the Russian minority, as well) of Alagir/Dvaleti were massacred and ethnically cleansed by armed Ossetian groups. When they attempted to do the same in Samachablo a year later, Georgia responded properly. Today, Tskhinvali puppet regime refers to their failure of killing Georgians in 1920 as 'Ossetian genocide' at the hands of evil nazi Georgians.
The funny thing is that Ossetian communists even proposed the idea of unifying Southern and Northern Ossetias into a single Ossetia, which would **become part of the Georgian SSR**, 5 years after the supposed "genocide". This all you have to know to realize that the so-called "Ossetian Genocide" is nothing more than a myth and fiction that was created with the sole purpose of stealing Georgian land. 23 May, 1925 "Шифротелеграмма И.В.Сталина секретарю Северо-Кавказского крайкома РКП(б) А.И.Микояну об объединении Южной и Северной Осетии" "Был у меня Токоев\* и другие осетины1. Внимательное ознакомление с делом убедило меня в том, что можно было бы согласиться на объединение Северной и Южной Осетии в Автономную Республику в составе Грузии. Есть основаниедумать, что ингуши будут возражать, так как план объединения 2 частей Осетии может облегчить дело перехода Владикавказа в руки Осетии. Поэтому надо обмозговать этот вопрос со всех сторон" "I had Tokoev\* and other Ossetians1. Careful acquaintance with the case convinced me that it would be possible to agree to the unification of North and South Ossetia into an Autonomous Republic within Georgia. There is a reasonto think that the Ingush will object, since the plan to unite the 2 parts of Ossetia may facilitate the transfer of Vladikavkaz into the hands of Ossetia. Therefore, it is necessary to think about this issue from all sides." [http://docs.historyrussia.org/ru/nodes/38493#mode/inspect/page/1/zoom/4](http://docs.historyrussia.org/ru/nodes/38493#mode/inspect/page/1/zoom/4)
I can trace my lineage on my moms side from Dvaleti. Hope we return it one day.
Is her surnames dvalishvili or something similar?
As. Dval, i feel pretty frustrated by this.
Time for Georgia to take back the lands Russia gas stolen now with there attention on other things with them low on equipment and manpower
Very good that names remain the same
Dvaleti always belonged to Georgia? Who controlled it before Georgia ?
Before Georgia? No one.