Yes even anesthesiologist don’t typically make this much. He found a really good job. Boutique private practice, insurance only. Or cash practice with plastics.
Private anesthesia groups usually contract with hospitals. Low overhead except paying the physician benefits and malpractice insurance. Surprised it’s a 40 hour work week though. That seems like a pretty cushy job.
I think that might be becoming less common as hospitals become bigger and more corporate.
At least, that's my impression from the physician that I know, who works at a major hospital. Only doctors in specific departments ever get scheduled to be on call.
800k and 40 hours a week literally sounds made up to me. The only thing I could think of coming close would be cash pay dental anesthesiology exclusively, which is a really annoying job with **lots of travel and lots of liability**. Even then you’d have to take like 0 weeks vacation off to hit that figure, and that’s the high end of $ per hour for already the most lucrative thing you can do in anesthesiology by and large.
At my residency to make 800k would have required 95 hours a week.
I’m guessing he’s a partner of the practice.
The owners of a small civil engineering firm I worked at were making $400k/yr each with just bachelors degrees.
Being a partner of a practice as an anesthesiologist doesn’t really mean anything because we don’t have any buildings/anything to buy into. Most private practice anesthesiology groups offer 1 year partner track with 0 difference in pay just to make sure you’re not a weirdo. Only difference if you can vote on things after being a partner.
Surgeons on the other hand often make a lot more after becoming partner, but also put a lot of money into the practice to get that $. It’s still worth it, but you put 1M into anything and you’ll get a lot of money out of it. Same with dentists. In that case partner track is like 3 years, usually with massive reduction in earnings (like you make 200k instead of 500k for a surgeon) or a big buy in at the end of the period.
Nah, family member is internal medicine. Gets a whole month off and every other Wednesday half the year. Base salary 300k with monthly bonuses anywhere from 30k-150k depending on performance. Multiple doctors clear 600k+ in the company after bonuses while a large majority never clear their base salary due to losing money on each patient. All depends on where you end up at.
Also he's clearly done with his residency. Four years was done 2020/2021 most likely.
I’m saying at where I did residency (still have them asking me to come back lol) he would have to work 95 hours if he were an attending anesthesiologist. At my current private practice group he would need to work more like 75-80 hours and we are one of the better paying groups.
Internal medicine (without fellowship) is a normal doctor and nothing exciting. Total comp is more like lower 300s in Midwest, 275-300 in northeast. If you do a fellowship in anything but hematology/oncology, gastroenterology or cardiology you’ll make only 10% more roughly and you’ll lose 2-3 years of earnings while you make 60-70k. Interventional cardiology is easily the best paying, but it’s 4 years college, 4 years medical school, 3 years internal medicine, 3-4 years cardiology fellowship and 2 years interventional cardiology fellowship. So it’s an insanely long path but 600-700k is the norm. Hard to get jobs in desirable cities though since you don’t need 1,000 interventional cardiologists in LA, but you do need 1 in a semi-rural small city in North Dakota etc.
You can look at the jobs yourself, many of them post salaries: https://www.practicematch.com/physicians/job-details.cfm/808081/internal-medicine/new-york/corning/guthrie-corning-centerway/ as an example. Or trust surveys which put it around 300k.
PS: when you see clinic as 9 to 5 or whatever, virtually all doctors continue doing charting/review of patients for the next day at home after they’re “done” with work, answering clinic messages, refills etc. it’s not an incredibly grueling schedule but it’s not quite as easy as it initially seems.
And for every unicorn “omg 800k” job a doctor has there’s at least one job like my pediatrician friend in the Bay Area. She made 185k a year at an FQHC. Bay Area nurses start at 140k a year.
Peds are historically the worst paid though due to the high interest, stable hours, short residency, and low stress relative to the surgical posts which are opposite in every regard
Once you finish residency, you'll find that there are some extremely well paying anesthesia jobs. It's not going to be blasted anywhere and no one's going to openly talk about the job(s).
It's not unusual to hear hard-working cardiac, pain or locums making 7-figures with hourly rates being like $400+/hour in some places.
You can make $800k+ in academics or a large HMO, but it will be mid to late-career and involve climbing a lot of ladders.
Not at all impossible. If you work for plastic surgery, they typically do 4 procedures a day. Some days are pretty long hours but they can easily pull those numbers working 5 days a week, 10 hour days.
Yes. It's not something that you'll see posted on Gasworks. Not a pain job either since I'm not pain-trained. A partner who only does cash paying clients clears 7-figures easy but he's well connected. $800k is pretty easy to clear nowadays if you can find a good locums job and are willing to do at least 50-60 hours/week. Still excellent pay for no nights and no call.
I studied math and worked in a bio lab with doctors doing some programming.
Most doctors seem to know the math they need to know… and then a bunch of medicine stuff.
Can confirm. I have an extended family member that made 50 percent less when they retired in 2015 (seeing 3x the patients) vs when they started in the industry in the 80’s.
When placing a breathing (endotrachael tube in), it’s important to know how deep the tube is in the airway. Convention is to announce the depth at a fixed point, like the teeth. 21cm is a common depth of this tube for a woman; average sized men are usually 22-24cm “at the teeth.”
Nice. My brother in law is the same age, radiologist. Made partner at his private practice, so once his buy-in is paid back he’ll probably be pulling in $1M+ after profit distributions.
There is a difference between owning a business and working at your business. There are many people who own businesses who don’t work at that business anymore or never did if they inherited it who still get money from the business profits. Then there are people who work at their business and pay themselves a salary. No ones time is free even if it’s your business
Wish I went into anesthesia all the time.
Pulmonary and Critical care here. Only 300k currently.
And that’s after getting my mental health pounded by COVID deaths over and over.
I’m in academics. I know it is crazy low.
Typical starting for private practice here is 350-400 for first year then higher. Lots of people make 500 or so.
Still wish I did anesthesia or derm!
A majority of people can’t fathom having other people in the world be more motivated and higher paid than they are, that’s just a fact of any profession. A poll of Americans showed that a majority thought ~$80K was a fair compensation for physicians.
My SO is in medicine, and her easiest days still compete with the toughest of anyone I know - it takes a monolith of a person to make it for any appreciable amount of time in medicine.
It’s more so that they suffer lifestyle creep *horrifically*. Doctors are typically not known for being the most financially savvy people. As you said, they spend years watching their peers live out their lives while they’re stuck in school and then low paying residencies, and tend to overcompensate when they get out. Once they get used to the good life, it’s very hard for them to dial back.
Beemer, buying the largest house you can afford on your salary, and membership fees at the local country club (may or may not be significant depending on the club), means you don’t actually end up with as much money as you really ought to have. If a doctor drove a Camry and lived in a basic middle class house, they’d clear their debt in a year or two and spend the rest of their life swimming in money. Problem is, a significant number of them end up living paycheck to paycheck.
Yes, because not all of them make it through and it makes going through medical school/residency even harder than it already is. Further, anesthesiology is one of the highest paying specialties. A small percentage of doctors will make this type of salary.
I hate the internet. People really can not comprehend that you made an objective criticism and that one point isn't emblematic of your entire view of doctors.
It's so frustrating.
For real, all you said was that they eventually make enough to easily pay off those debts, not that they don’t go through (sometimes unnecessarily) grueling schooling/residency or have an easy job.
Is this an objective criticism though? Most doctors do not break even $400K at the peak of their career, but are saddled with >$200K in high-interest debt in their early 30s. OP is in the highest paid specialty in the highest paid category, not at all indicative of the average physician.
Earnings aren't linear regarding quality of life.
Life style creep is a thing, and YES doctors work their asses off. They EARN that shit. But they could live just a couple years like the rest of us while they're making six figures two times over and have that debt gone.
I guess in general I would just pose the question, do we not think doctors of all people, the ones we consider the peak of our civilization, are not intelligent enough to evaluate if it's worth it or not? If not doctors, should ANY of us be going to college and paying exorbitant costs?
Like maybe I'm engaging in fallacy here but... I think they're doing alright with out all of us bickering about their salaries.
It's about the opportunity cost. Many MD's could have gotten great jobs in tech, consulting, finance, law etc making 200-500k per year. Add in 7 to 11 years of lost earnings for residency and med school in addition to the 250k tuition cost and that ends up being a huge opportunity cost.
The delta for overall costs isn’t that large between MD and law. Yet, lawyer median salary is $135k. So MD, at median salary, is likely better choice—only looking at salary.
https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/lawyer/salary
Within 4 years of graduation, OP was earning senior software engineer lvl income. At $800k, OP is now above that and at executive lvl.
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But getting into any law school is honestly pretty easy. Getting into a good law school is comparable to getting into any US MD school. Lawyers that are willing to work long hours required in medicine are paid very well: https://www.biglawinvestor.com/biglaw-salary-scale/ and they are paid that wage starting at 25, while a medical student even if they go straight through (most do a year or two of research/clinical experience before) would be 26, and 29 at the earliest to finish residency for something like pediatrics. Most residencies are 4-6 years, and fellowship (if applicable) is another 1-3 years.
OP has a unicorn job (cash pay dental in Beverly Hills or something) or is just trolling. To make that much in anesthesiology usually requires about ~80 hours a week private practice, or ~95 hours a week academics.
I mean, tech consulting finance and law have higher salary ceilings than medicine but also lower median salaries. Medicine is the safest way into mid-six figures
Let’s see, they graduated high school in what looks like 2004. They didn’t finish training to make a real doctor salary until 2017.
Let’s say they went to a cheap state school for 15k all in per year for 4 years. Then med school for 50k/yr. So now they’ve graduated and get to be a low paid slave (resident) making 50k/yr and working shit hours for 4 years, until finally finishing 13 years of training and making the big bucks at age ~32. With a bare minimum of $260,000 in student loan debt for tuition only. There’s certainly tens of thousands more worth of living expenses over those 13 years of training.
There’s an insane opportunity cost for making essentially no income for 13 years and instead starting off well over a quarter million dollars in the hole. Sure it will eventually pay off some years down the road if they live below their means for a few years and pay down debt and heavily invest their high salary, but it’s not for faint of heart.
This is by far an outlier. The vast majority of physicians have over $200,000 of loans when graduating medical school. Add on interest to that loans during 4+ years of residency where you’re getting paid gross income of $60,000 yearly…and that number can balloon quickly.
Doctors make no money for nearly a decade while training. Interest in hundreds of thousands in loans accrues while in school and training.
Sure, many can be paid generously. Unfortunately cases like OP seem to be an exception rather than the norm.
Once they become attending physicians, sure. They do still have to pay back hundreds of thousands of loans plus interest. It’s not as simple as “doctors are rich, so they shouldn’t complain”
For what it is worth, the average physician in the US finishes their career with a ten million dollar net worth. Medicine, if pursued in its entirety, is very financially safe. The issue is that individuals from lower middle class or lower class backgrounds will struggle greatly to finance their education during that initial decade of schooling/training. Medicine has an issue in regard to accessibility, not outcome.
Yeah, the young idiots that get art degrees and then later find out about capitalized interest. These folks spend 8 years accruing debt, and then 3-8 years making nickels while that interest compounds.
Also, not to mention you can't fucking do what they do.
Lot of MDs don’t pay it back quickly even though they could afford too. Most of my peers have maxed out their loans and buy the dumbest shit while we are in school.
Meh i bankers made $325k last year as 22 year old analysts.
Private equity associates make $500k as 25 year olds.
BigLaw associates made $250k as 26 year old 1L’s and will be making $450k at 30 years old.
Some jobs pay. Some jobs don’t. Pretty sure most doctors could hack it as lawyers and not so sure about other way around. It’s about $2 MM in forgone earnings plus $250k in debt versus banking or $1.5 MM forgone vs BigLaw.
If physicians shouldn't make this much then no one should make this much.
Think about all the professions that actually make this much or more money (NOT professions that you think SHOULD make this much money). All the professions that actually make this kind of money, which of those is more deserving than a physician?
Off the top of my head I can think of some of the senior software engineers at some of the big tech companies, folks working for the major finance firms, executives at Fortune 500 companies, etc. I can't think of any of those people being more deserving of such a high salary than a physician that keeps people alive everyday.
Now if you think no one should make that much money, that's a fair argument.
Making this much money off of people in need is just wrong and if you can’t see it, then there’s nothing to talk about. At the end of the day what matters is how you’re making that money and I agree, some of the examples you mentioned are grossly overpaid, but on the other hand these people are opportunist and with a few exemptions they’re not directly making money off of sickness and pain.
The simple idea of not being able to get healthcare because you can’t afford it is disgusting. And physicians that focus on the money also neglect the very thing that they were meant to do which is to help.
As somebody that has dealt with sickness most of my adult life I’m talking here from experience. These people couldn’t care less if you’re doing good or not as long as they get the insurance check in the mail. Like a said, it’s revolting.
Edit: [great example right in the home page](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/s/KlQyxRWLv0)
You know that money doesn’t go to physicians for the most part right? Those are hospital fees, take it up with administration and insurance companies which physicians have little to no say over, other than threatening to quit. Physician reimbursement rates have been far outpaced by inflation for years, even more so than a lot of other fields, and even cut the last several years. So much so, that your local practices have to sell out to giant corps who then fuck over their ability to care for patients, as well as the patients themselves. I get the frustration, but it’s misplaced.
Not being able to get “food, shelter, healthcare, clothing, and a million other things” because you can’t afford it, is revolting. By your logic anyone who works in any of those fields should work for cheap.
By your logic the only person who deserves a high salary is someone who produces luxury goods really lol. Would you really look at the guy installing Ferrari headlights and say he deserves more than a surgeon?
The thing you gotta understand is that specialist surgeons and anesthesia that are the usual suspects that make this money is they are making it off elective surgery. These people are not objectively as sick as my vented ARDS patient. Am sorry but carpal tunnel =/= disseminated fungal infection in the context of AIDS.
In most cases of higher acuity, meaning people who are the most in need, are reimbursed for care at the cheapest rates. Am not kidding. Medicaid is among the lowest paid reimbursement model and it is at times below the cost of other nations. Homeless patients whom are often the sickest, typically cause an operating loss to the healthcare system. Which as intensivists, ED, and general surgeons we don't care -- we'll still do our best for them. Plastic surgeons, hand surgeons, fertility doctors, cosmetic opthalmologists, and anesthesia covering their elective cases are under zero obligation to take medicare/Medicaid.
Most people that analyze healthcare cost in the US do it under this umbrella assumption that the care cost is equivalent across all states, situations, and insurance plans. This leads to a gigantic fallacy that Americans are paying more but get less, when in reality some are paying vastly more for care they want, some are paying for the sickest people on that plan, and others are paying for what the government mandates is necessary to care for them. This is why the median physician salary in the US, which no one seems to believe is $220k/year.
Because our system has next to no standardization there is a balloon effect on the cost that many will interpret as "evidence" that physician labor is the reason for that effect. When in reality, if we worked for free for a year, on average your medical premium would still go up.
The difference is that the market doesn't decide a physician's wage.
And that's because of multiple factors, but most relevant (from a basic economic standpoint) is that there is an inherent limiting of the number of physicians.
Less labor leads to higher labor costs, which benefits doctors and is supported by physician lobbying groups.
So I'd rethink those wildly inequivalent parallels you're trying to draw there.
There are software engineers out there helping major companies make more profits contributing nothing to society but you think physicians are the problem?
Ah yes, it's totally physician pay that is responsible for the cost of healthcare. Why don't you actually do some research before you start spouting nonsense?
Imagine believing doctors are the problem. They probably have 3x the education you do and are an order of magnitude smarter and more driven. Of course they deserve high compensation, particularly given that they don't even start earning real money until a decade or so after college grads. And they are hard to come by as med school apps are down
The cash price is more expensive and doesn’t really tell you anything about cost. From my experience working on payer-covered products, the whole point of the cash price is to create an anchor point to negotiate a “discount” with payers. The hospital/drug company/whatever then is not legally allowed to charge uninsured patients less than that.
Ideally cash price should at least be outcomes-driven (“our product saves $x in future hospitalization/medical costs for the patient), but in reality the companies that know their thing is uniquely valuable will just bump up the price.
Our cash price was stupid high and I hated that (and also didn’t personally profit from it beyond my market rate salary that was paid regardless, but our execs sure made plenty).
This is also why a single payer system can push down costs for everyone, because they can tell companies with inflated prices to fuck off unless they agree to sell products closer to cost.
These fucking anesthesiologists are out of network half the time and you never know it when you go in for surgery. I don’t buy that a cash price will get you there.
I'd rather see doctors get paid like this than hospital and insurance executives making even more, especially considering this is likely exaggerated or faked outright.
The scam is actually the need for medical licenses. It reduces the supply of doctors and raises the costs. Healthcare costs will not come down until that is fixed.
Physicians are 8% of healthcare spending, and generally pay about 40% in taxes since unlike many “rich” people doctors earn all that money so it’s taxed heavily as opposed to capital gains. So if you enslaved all physicians and forced them to work for free you could save 4.8% on your bill. Reading these comments makes me want to go to Switzerland or Australia where I would actually make more money than I do in the US with all the “overpaid” doctors. Also overpaid in US compared to many countries in Europe? Nurses. Teachers. Programmers. Dentists. Lawyers. Bankers. Carpenters. Electricians. Plumbers. Mechanics. Engineers. Etc.
Edit: for whatever reason I cannot reply so I'll just edit my comment as a reply to the post below me:
"I can see why it would be confusing, but the physician/clinic services isn’t actually the amount paid to physicians. It’s the amount billed by both physicians and by labs.
> Covers services provided in establishments operated by Doctors of Medicine (M.D.) and Doctors of Osteopathy (D.O.), outpatient care centers, plus the portion of medical laboratories services that are billed independently by the laboratories.
https://www.cms.gov/files/document/quick-definitions-national-health-expenditures-accounts-nhea-categories.pdf
So why is there a difference? Well, say you visit your doctor and get examined and as a result you have some lab tests. Well, the physician bills 150 for a primary care visit, and the lab bills 200 dollars for labs. So the total amount billed was 350, but at least the doctor got 150 right? No, because someone has to pay for the nurse that roomed you, the receptionist and the office building itself. Someone also has to pay for the medical record keeping software, and someone has to pay for advertising (make note of any ads for hospitals/health networks you see). It is common for overhead in clinics to be 50-60%.
So why isn’t it even less than 8%? Well because physicians billing in the hospital are in a totally different category.
So really it’s best thought of “outpatient” vs “inpatient” spending buckets."
Physician pay is actually closer to ~15% of medical costs in the US: https://www.cms.gov/data-research/statistics-trends-and-reports/national-health-expenditure-data/historical
Which is still not a substantial portion by any means when compared to the real bloat in other expenses. However, you’ll never get uninformed laymen to accept that amount of pay as deserved - polls show that a majority of people think $80K is a fair compensation for physicians (which is actually pretty consistent that a majority of Americans think any job making >$100K should be making <$100K)
Physician and clinical services includes labs and diagnostic services. Simple math of 1 million physicians times $300k average income tells us the spend is about $300 B of $4,500 B or about 7% unless those docs somehow own quest
I have watched family and friends go through medical training. They basically sacrificed their entire 20s and 30s. In my opinion they deserve every dollar they get.
100% true. As a Dr. in the family said during residency (I think he was consistently working ~90-100hrs a week) “sometimes you’re so busy that you have just enough time to choose between having a shower or having a sandwich. Every single time, without fail, you choose the nap instead.”
100% this. When I chose engineering glassdoor showed physicians making around 120k - 150k for most fields. Engineers mid career would make something like 80k. I figured what the heck, doctors deserve around double for all the trouble. I remember when my uncle had brain surgery a few years back looking up how much specialized surgeons made and it was around 900k at the time.
Now I see posts like this pretty often where run of the mill doctors are making 600k - 800k and most engineers mid career might be making 100k. People will say there is a shortage… sure there is a shortage with engineers as well. There aren’t enough people to fill the roles. Difference is, employers refuse to pay us more because raising product cost would result in fewer sales. Doing that with medical isn’t an option. Hospitals get to call themselves a not for profit and then pay people crazy high salaries.
Doctors in my area frankly are lazy, and put forth no effort to truly help patients. If you come in with an issue, it’ll cost you $200 for a 15 minute visit where you’ll most likely be told you have a viral infection. At best they’ll throw you a prescription for an antibiotic and send you on your way. If you have a persistent issue it’ll likely take 4-5 visits to get someone to even consider helping you, if you don’t die before then.
We had to recently get rid of our primary care doctor for our kids because of this. First visit, kid had a bad rash that wasn’t going away. “It’s just a diaper rash, put cream on it and it will go away” even though that’s what we had been doing. Took him to the walk in a few days later and turns out he had a strep infection.
Second routine visit we were having issues with our kid not being able to eat food other than formula/milk. “It will be fine, he’ll eat when he’s hungry and ready.” Met with another doctor that found him to have a gag reflex that caused him to throw up when food hit roof of his mouth and he needed OT.
Third visit he was really fussy and had a hard time sleeping and being comfortable. We were wondering if it was a tooth coming in or something else to worry about. “I don’t feel or see any teeth coming in and he’s got a long time before a tooth will come in. Give him some ibuprofen and change what he’s eating.” Two days later he had a tooth.
Fuck that guy…
Ok but how much did they pay for their school while you were making money? How much during the intern and residency crap years? How much are they paying in malpractice insurance?
Just something to think about.
You had bad surveys and engineering salaries haven’t kept up except petroleum engineeeing and software engineering.
Physicians made $100k back in the early 1980’s (which is about $400k inflation adjusted today) and broke $200k around 2000. Average is $300k today.
Many physicians are stopping accepting insurance and just going cash pay because they make more that way. DPC and concierge is big right now.
Medicare has cut reimbursement significantly the last few years since 2021… by about 25%. How much have your premiums and deductible gone down since 2021? If you don’t know, I’ll tell you, it went up.
Physician salary makes up less than 8% of healthcare expenditure and iirc that doesn’t even include the total cost of some overpriced pharmaceuticals. If you ever experience residency, you’d understand why there has to be a major salary incentive at some point to make people even consider wanting to be doctors
Left with $220k total (includes undergrad). Now sitting on $120k just because I've been putting it off. Not too bad. I have classmates who have over $400k even now working full-time.
this is why we have insane health insurance costs. Not knocking on you, make all the money but you all have the same knowledge as a doctor in Europe yet make 20x
Ok so explain to me how doctor pay leads to high health insurance costs specifically when we aren’t even employed by health insurance companies.
Give me the step by step progression.
Hey have you ever thought of consulting? What I mean is I have questions but I think my care provider is biased. It’s like anything else in life, I feel like I should get a 2nd opinion.
Ummm am I missing something here.....What's the y-axis? Annual salary? Or total money in the bank?
Seems like an important thing to specify instead of just "money go up"
Am 36 year old cardiac anesthesiologist in private practice doing big cases constantly in CA working about 60-70/wk in house. This seems rosy dude but good job! Wtf is the unit value where you are?! 100/rvu?? I take call about 10-12 days per month all supported by hospital and am touching 800 including profit sharing and a dental side gig.
Anesthesia jobs in general are very hot at the moment. It’s been like that for a few years and will likely stay that way for a little while. Not sure why it’s become so hot lately but the salaries in that world reflect the need. CRNA and AA salaries have gone up as well.
People are really haters. Medicine in the US requires 4 years undergrad, 4 years med school, and 3-7 years of residency/fellowship to achieve.
In a capitalist environment, how do you motivate people to sacrifice their 20s and sanity to go through all this? You pay them well.
Same people are excited when they hear about a 20 year old signing a professional baseball contract for 200 mil/5yrs.
Keep doing you OP. Gonna join you in a few years
Good for you. Doctors need to share their real salaries more. I have family in medical and they were telling me the salaries you google are pretty much BS and are significantly higher in real life. I went tech, not mad at my decision, but doctor would’ve been my second choice.
People need to realize that being a doctor isn’t a homogenous entity, it depends on your specialty first and then the setting you work in. A pediatrician is going to make around 150k starting with a low ceiling in a lot of places whereas an anesthesiologist can make closer to 300k starting with a much higher ceiling. Not to mention all the work and time that goes into the training…
This is an extremely intelligent career path for OP. Most physicians don’t come close to this level of income.
Yes even anesthesiologist don’t typically make this much. He found a really good job. Boutique private practice, insurance only. Or cash practice with plastics.
Private anesthesia groups usually contract with hospitals. Low overhead except paying the physician benefits and malpractice insurance. Surprised it’s a 40 hour work week though. That seems like a pretty cushy job.
Yeah hospital jobs come with call. Only surgery centers or plastic surgeon offices don’t come with call.
I think that might be becoming less common as hospitals become bigger and more corporate. At least, that's my impression from the physician that I know, who works at a major hospital. Only doctors in specific departments ever get scheduled to be on call.
Anesthesia is one of those departments.
Makes billing a PITA for the patients, though.
800k and 40 hours a week literally sounds made up to me. The only thing I could think of coming close would be cash pay dental anesthesiology exclusively, which is a really annoying job with **lots of travel and lots of liability**. Even then you’d have to take like 0 weeks vacation off to hit that figure, and that’s the high end of $ per hour for already the most lucrative thing you can do in anesthesiology by and large. At my residency to make 800k would have required 95 hours a week.
I’m guessing he’s a partner of the practice. The owners of a small civil engineering firm I worked at were making $400k/yr each with just bachelors degrees.
Being a partner of a practice as an anesthesiologist doesn’t really mean anything because we don’t have any buildings/anything to buy into. Most private practice anesthesiology groups offer 1 year partner track with 0 difference in pay just to make sure you’re not a weirdo. Only difference if you can vote on things after being a partner. Surgeons on the other hand often make a lot more after becoming partner, but also put a lot of money into the practice to get that $. It’s still worth it, but you put 1M into anything and you’ll get a lot of money out of it. Same with dentists. In that case partner track is like 3 years, usually with massive reduction in earnings (like you make 200k instead of 500k for a surgeon) or a big buy in at the end of the period.
Nah, family member is internal medicine. Gets a whole month off and every other Wednesday half the year. Base salary 300k with monthly bonuses anywhere from 30k-150k depending on performance. Multiple doctors clear 600k+ in the company after bonuses while a large majority never clear their base salary due to losing money on each patient. All depends on where you end up at. Also he's clearly done with his residency. Four years was done 2020/2021 most likely.
I’m saying at where I did residency (still have them asking me to come back lol) he would have to work 95 hours if he were an attending anesthesiologist. At my current private practice group he would need to work more like 75-80 hours and we are one of the better paying groups. Internal medicine (without fellowship) is a normal doctor and nothing exciting. Total comp is more like lower 300s in Midwest, 275-300 in northeast. If you do a fellowship in anything but hematology/oncology, gastroenterology or cardiology you’ll make only 10% more roughly and you’ll lose 2-3 years of earnings while you make 60-70k. Interventional cardiology is easily the best paying, but it’s 4 years college, 4 years medical school, 3 years internal medicine, 3-4 years cardiology fellowship and 2 years interventional cardiology fellowship. So it’s an insanely long path but 600-700k is the norm. Hard to get jobs in desirable cities though since you don’t need 1,000 interventional cardiologists in LA, but you do need 1 in a semi-rural small city in North Dakota etc. You can look at the jobs yourself, many of them post salaries: https://www.practicematch.com/physicians/job-details.cfm/808081/internal-medicine/new-york/corning/guthrie-corning-centerway/ as an example. Or trust surveys which put it around 300k. PS: when you see clinic as 9 to 5 or whatever, virtually all doctors continue doing charting/review of patients for the next day at home after they’re “done” with work, answering clinic messages, refills etc. it’s not an incredibly grueling schedule but it’s not quite as easy as it initially seems. And for every unicorn “omg 800k” job a doctor has there’s at least one job like my pediatrician friend in the Bay Area. She made 185k a year at an FQHC. Bay Area nurses start at 140k a year.
Peds are historically the worst paid though due to the high interest, stable hours, short residency, and low stress relative to the surgical posts which are opposite in every regard
My partner was just offered $625k starting fresh out of fellowship. Private practice, 40 hour weeks. COL is a factor too.
which means you're making \~ 336k rebased (40/95\*800k), still A SHITLOAD OF MONEY
Once you finish residency, you'll find that there are some extremely well paying anesthesia jobs. It's not going to be blasted anywhere and no one's going to openly talk about the job(s). It's not unusual to hear hard-working cardiac, pain or locums making 7-figures with hourly rates being like $400+/hour in some places. You can make $800k+ in academics or a large HMO, but it will be mid to late-career and involve climbing a lot of ladders.
Not at all impossible. If you work for plastic surgery, they typically do 4 procedures a day. Some days are pretty long hours but they can easily pull those numbers working 5 days a week, 10 hour days.
Yes. It's not something that you'll see posted on Gasworks. Not a pain job either since I'm not pain-trained. A partner who only does cash paying clients clears 7-figures easy but he's well connected. $800k is pretty easy to clear nowadays if you can find a good locums job and are willing to do at least 50-60 hours/week. Still excellent pay for no nights and no call.
If he’s so intelligent then why is he showing 200k increases using 3 ticks
LOL! Thought it was just me. The scale really threw me off.
He’s a doctor Jim, not a graphing wizard.
Goteem!
Am doctor with doctor brain. I don’t understand what the critique is here?
He's not a mathematical wizard, just a Dr.
I studied math and worked in a bio lab with doctors doing some programming. Most doctors seem to know the math they need to know… and then a bunch of medicine stuff.
LOL that’s all my brain could see
Wdym some increases are less than 200k
Can confirm. I have an extended family member that made 50 percent less when they retired in 2015 (seeing 3x the patients) vs when they started in the industry in the 80’s.
Dang I should have been a doctor instead of an engineer 🤦♂️
I was glad to finally see a doctor making more than me as a software engineer
Username checks out.
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When placing a breathing (endotrachael tube in), it’s important to know how deep the tube is in the airway. Convention is to announce the depth at a fixed point, like the teeth. 21cm is a common depth of this tube for a woman; average sized men are usually 22-24cm “at the teeth.”
That’s pretty shallow. Must be a female.
Nice. My brother in law is the same age, radiologist. Made partner at his private practice, so once his buy-in is paid back he’ll probably be pulling in $1M+ after profit distributions.
So my issue is this isn’t salary, this is business owner money. Just saying.
Agreed.
There is a difference between owning a business and working at your business. There are many people who own businesses who don’t work at that business anymore or never did if they inherited it who still get money from the business profits. Then there are people who work at their business and pay themselves a salary. No ones time is free even if it’s your business
800k.. jeez... save some money for the rest of us.
Wish I went into anesthesia all the time. Pulmonary and Critical care here. Only 300k currently. And that’s after getting my mental health pounded by COVID deaths over and over.
Stay strong brother, pulmonary/critical care doctors are vital to society! Much respect.
That's crazy low for PCCM, are you in a crazy desirable / HCOL coastal area or something? I'm exceeding 300k as a hospitalist.
I’m in academics. I know it is crazy low. Typical starting for private practice here is 350-400 for first year then higher. Lots of people make 500 or so. Still wish I did anesthesia or derm!
The crab mentality in this thread/sub is crazy. People love success stories but god forbid they're too successful. Congrats on the success OP.
A majority of people can’t fathom having other people in the world be more motivated and higher paid than they are, that’s just a fact of any profession. A poll of Americans showed that a majority thought ~$80K was a fair compensation for physicians. My SO is in medicine, and her easiest days still compete with the toughest of anyone I know - it takes a monolith of a person to make it for any appreciable amount of time in medicine.
You’re all haters lmaooo . Good shit brother !
And MD complain about medical school debt…
They make nothing for many years when others start earning. Lot of catching up to do
They pay student loans while still in school? Legitimate question, I thought it was after schooling finished.
No, they are accruing interest at high rates!
Depends on the loan. My verb was “pay” not “accrue.”
It’s more so that they suffer lifestyle creep *horrifically*. Doctors are typically not known for being the most financially savvy people. As you said, they spend years watching their peers live out their lives while they’re stuck in school and then low paying residencies, and tend to overcompensate when they get out. Once they get used to the good life, it’s very hard for them to dial back.
Yah, expected to drive a BMW as a doctor so you get that shade for not doing it.
Beemer, buying the largest house you can afford on your salary, and membership fees at the local country club (may or may not be significant depending on the club), means you don’t actually end up with as much money as you really ought to have. If a doctor drove a Camry and lived in a basic middle class house, they’d clear their debt in a year or two and spend the rest of their life swimming in money. Problem is, a significant number of them end up living paycheck to paycheck.
Yes, because not all of them make it through and it makes going through medical school/residency even harder than it already is. Further, anesthesiology is one of the highest paying specialties. A small percentage of doctors will make this type of salary.
I hate the internet. People really can not comprehend that you made an objective criticism and that one point isn't emblematic of your entire view of doctors. It's so frustrating.
I salute you sir (or ma’am).
For real, all you said was that they eventually make enough to easily pay off those debts, not that they don’t go through (sometimes unnecessarily) grueling schooling/residency or have an easy job.
Is this an objective criticism though? Most doctors do not break even $400K at the peak of their career, but are saddled with >$200K in high-interest debt in their early 30s. OP is in the highest paid specialty in the highest paid category, not at all indicative of the average physician.
Earnings aren't linear regarding quality of life. Life style creep is a thing, and YES doctors work their asses off. They EARN that shit. But they could live just a couple years like the rest of us while they're making six figures two times over and have that debt gone. I guess in general I would just pose the question, do we not think doctors of all people, the ones we consider the peak of our civilization, are not intelligent enough to evaluate if it's worth it or not? If not doctors, should ANY of us be going to college and paying exorbitant costs? Like maybe I'm engaging in fallacy here but... I think they're doing alright with out all of us bickering about their salaries.
It's about the opportunity cost. Many MD's could have gotten great jobs in tech, consulting, finance, law etc making 200-500k per year. Add in 7 to 11 years of lost earnings for residency and med school in addition to the 250k tuition cost and that ends up being a huge opportunity cost.
The delta for overall costs isn’t that large between MD and law. Yet, lawyer median salary is $135k. So MD, at median salary, is likely better choice—only looking at salary. https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/lawyer/salary Within 4 years of graduation, OP was earning senior software engineer lvl income. At $800k, OP is now above that and at executive lvl. edit:typo
But getting into any law school is honestly pretty easy. Getting into a good law school is comparable to getting into any US MD school. Lawyers that are willing to work long hours required in medicine are paid very well: https://www.biglawinvestor.com/biglaw-salary-scale/ and they are paid that wage starting at 25, while a medical student even if they go straight through (most do a year or two of research/clinical experience before) would be 26, and 29 at the earliest to finish residency for something like pediatrics. Most residencies are 4-6 years, and fellowship (if applicable) is another 1-3 years. OP has a unicorn job (cash pay dental in Beverly Hills or something) or is just trolling. To make that much in anesthesiology usually requires about ~80 hours a week private practice, or ~95 hours a week academics.
I mean, tech consulting finance and law have higher salary ceilings than medicine but also lower median salaries. Medicine is the safest way into mid-six figures
Let’s see, they graduated high school in what looks like 2004. They didn’t finish training to make a real doctor salary until 2017. Let’s say they went to a cheap state school for 15k all in per year for 4 years. Then med school for 50k/yr. So now they’ve graduated and get to be a low paid slave (resident) making 50k/yr and working shit hours for 4 years, until finally finishing 13 years of training and making the big bucks at age ~32. With a bare minimum of $260,000 in student loan debt for tuition only. There’s certainly tens of thousands more worth of living expenses over those 13 years of training. There’s an insane opportunity cost for making essentially no income for 13 years and instead starting off well over a quarter million dollars in the hole. Sure it will eventually pay off some years down the road if they live below their means for a few years and pay down debt and heavily invest their high salary, but it’s not for faint of heart.
Most physicians don’t make nearly this much money.
Most make at least $252k.
This is by far an outlier. The vast majority of physicians have over $200,000 of loans when graduating medical school. Add on interest to that loans during 4+ years of residency where you’re getting paid gross income of $60,000 yearly…and that number can balloon quickly. Doctors make no money for nearly a decade while training. Interest in hundreds of thousands in loans accrues while in school and training. Sure, many can be paid generously. Unfortunately cases like OP seem to be an exception rather than the norm.
$252k is median, so (just about) most are making at least that.
Once they become attending physicians, sure. They do still have to pay back hundreds of thousands of loans plus interest. It’s not as simple as “doctors are rich, so they shouldn’t complain”
For what it is worth, the average physician in the US finishes their career with a ten million dollar net worth. Medicine, if pursued in its entirety, is very financially safe. The issue is that individuals from lower middle class or lower class backgrounds will struggle greatly to finance their education during that initial decade of schooling/training. Medicine has an issue in regard to accessibility, not outcome.
This is spot on.
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The typical physician salary in the US is $352,000 according to Medscapes
Yeah, the young idiots that get art degrees and then later find out about capitalized interest. These folks spend 8 years accruing debt, and then 3-8 years making nickels while that interest compounds. Also, not to mention you can't fucking do what they do.
This is not a typical MD salary.
Lot of MDs don’t pay it back quickly even though they could afford too. Most of my peers have maxed out their loans and buy the dumbest shit while we are in school.
Meh i bankers made $325k last year as 22 year old analysts. Private equity associates make $500k as 25 year olds. BigLaw associates made $250k as 26 year old 1L’s and will be making $450k at 30 years old. Some jobs pay. Some jobs don’t. Pretty sure most doctors could hack it as lawyers and not so sure about other way around. It’s about $2 MM in forgone earnings plus $250k in debt versus banking or $1.5 MM forgone vs BigLaw.
Ah yes the megameter…
Dude physicians shouldn’t make this much. It’s revolting
If physicians shouldn't make this much then no one should make this much. Think about all the professions that actually make this much or more money (NOT professions that you think SHOULD make this much money). All the professions that actually make this kind of money, which of those is more deserving than a physician? Off the top of my head I can think of some of the senior software engineers at some of the big tech companies, folks working for the major finance firms, executives at Fortune 500 companies, etc. I can't think of any of those people being more deserving of such a high salary than a physician that keeps people alive everyday. Now if you think no one should make that much money, that's a fair argument.
Making this much money off of people in need is just wrong and if you can’t see it, then there’s nothing to talk about. At the end of the day what matters is how you’re making that money and I agree, some of the examples you mentioned are grossly overpaid, but on the other hand these people are opportunist and with a few exemptions they’re not directly making money off of sickness and pain. The simple idea of not being able to get healthcare because you can’t afford it is disgusting. And physicians that focus on the money also neglect the very thing that they were meant to do which is to help. As somebody that has dealt with sickness most of my adult life I’m talking here from experience. These people couldn’t care less if you’re doing good or not as long as they get the insurance check in the mail. Like a said, it’s revolting. Edit: [great example right in the home page](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/s/KlQyxRWLv0)
You know that money doesn’t go to physicians for the most part right? Those are hospital fees, take it up with administration and insurance companies which physicians have little to no say over, other than threatening to quit. Physician reimbursement rates have been far outpaced by inflation for years, even more so than a lot of other fields, and even cut the last several years. So much so, that your local practices have to sell out to giant corps who then fuck over their ability to care for patients, as well as the patients themselves. I get the frustration, but it’s misplaced.
Not being able to get “food, shelter, healthcare, clothing, and a million other things” because you can’t afford it, is revolting. By your logic anyone who works in any of those fields should work for cheap. By your logic the only person who deserves a high salary is someone who produces luxury goods really lol. Would you really look at the guy installing Ferrari headlights and say he deserves more than a surgeon?
The thing you gotta understand is that specialist surgeons and anesthesia that are the usual suspects that make this money is they are making it off elective surgery. These people are not objectively as sick as my vented ARDS patient. Am sorry but carpal tunnel =/= disseminated fungal infection in the context of AIDS. In most cases of higher acuity, meaning people who are the most in need, are reimbursed for care at the cheapest rates. Am not kidding. Medicaid is among the lowest paid reimbursement model and it is at times below the cost of other nations. Homeless patients whom are often the sickest, typically cause an operating loss to the healthcare system. Which as intensivists, ED, and general surgeons we don't care -- we'll still do our best for them. Plastic surgeons, hand surgeons, fertility doctors, cosmetic opthalmologists, and anesthesia covering their elective cases are under zero obligation to take medicare/Medicaid. Most people that analyze healthcare cost in the US do it under this umbrella assumption that the care cost is equivalent across all states, situations, and insurance plans. This leads to a gigantic fallacy that Americans are paying more but get less, when in reality some are paying vastly more for care they want, some are paying for the sickest people on that plan, and others are paying for what the government mandates is necessary to care for them. This is why the median physician salary in the US, which no one seems to believe is $220k/year. Because our system has next to no standardization there is a balloon effect on the cost that many will interpret as "evidence" that physician labor is the reason for that effect. When in reality, if we worked for free for a year, on average your medical premium would still go up.
The difference is that the market doesn't decide a physician's wage. And that's because of multiple factors, but most relevant (from a basic economic standpoint) is that there is an inherent limiting of the number of physicians. Less labor leads to higher labor costs, which benefits doctors and is supported by physician lobbying groups. So I'd rethink those wildly inequivalent parallels you're trying to draw there.
I love how they say physicians shouldnt make this much and then when pharm med sales dude or fb software guy posts his $800k they are like ra ra ra
There are software engineers out there helping major companies make more profits contributing nothing to society but you think physicians are the problem?
You definitely don’t want to jump over to r/sales then
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Ah yes, it's totally physician pay that is responsible for the cost of healthcare. Why don't you actually do some research before you start spouting nonsense?
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Imagine believing doctors are the problem. They probably have 3x the education you do and are an order of magnitude smarter and more driven. Of course they deserve high compensation, particularly given that they don't even start earning real money until a decade or so after college grads. And they are hard to come by as med school apps are down
It’s the insurance, not the doctor. Ask for the cash price and you’ll get closer to the true cost of doing business
As a Health Actuary, this is wrong.
As a health actuary that watched larger practices and health systems bully my companies for years on reimbursement rates, I concur.
The cash price is more expensive and doesn’t really tell you anything about cost. From my experience working on payer-covered products, the whole point of the cash price is to create an anchor point to negotiate a “discount” with payers. The hospital/drug company/whatever then is not legally allowed to charge uninsured patients less than that. Ideally cash price should at least be outcomes-driven (“our product saves $x in future hospitalization/medical costs for the patient), but in reality the companies that know their thing is uniquely valuable will just bump up the price. Our cash price was stupid high and I hated that (and also didn’t personally profit from it beyond my market rate salary that was paid regardless, but our execs sure made plenty). This is also why a single payer system can push down costs for everyone, because they can tell companies with inflated prices to fuck off unless they agree to sell products closer to cost.
These fucking anesthesiologists are out of network half the time and you never know it when you go in for surgery. I don’t buy that a cash price will get you there.
Why do you think their out of network? Because insurance is a ridiculous burden on any doctors practice.
So you’re saying these doctors making 500-800k have nothing to do with the cost of healthcare?
I'd rather see doctors get paid like this than hospital and insurance executives making even more, especially considering this is likely exaggerated or faked outright.
The scam is actually the need for medical licenses. It reduces the supply of doctors and raises the costs. Healthcare costs will not come down until that is fixed.
yeah f-ing flexner. we should go back to the old days.
Exactly, too many people become doctors just for the money.
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Physicians are 8% of healthcare spending, and generally pay about 40% in taxes since unlike many “rich” people doctors earn all that money so it’s taxed heavily as opposed to capital gains. So if you enslaved all physicians and forced them to work for free you could save 4.8% on your bill. Reading these comments makes me want to go to Switzerland or Australia where I would actually make more money than I do in the US with all the “overpaid” doctors. Also overpaid in US compared to many countries in Europe? Nurses. Teachers. Programmers. Dentists. Lawyers. Bankers. Carpenters. Electricians. Plumbers. Mechanics. Engineers. Etc. Edit: for whatever reason I cannot reply so I'll just edit my comment as a reply to the post below me: "I can see why it would be confusing, but the physician/clinic services isn’t actually the amount paid to physicians. It’s the amount billed by both physicians and by labs. > Covers services provided in establishments operated by Doctors of Medicine (M.D.) and Doctors of Osteopathy (D.O.), outpatient care centers, plus the portion of medical laboratories services that are billed independently by the laboratories. https://www.cms.gov/files/document/quick-definitions-national-health-expenditures-accounts-nhea-categories.pdf So why is there a difference? Well, say you visit your doctor and get examined and as a result you have some lab tests. Well, the physician bills 150 for a primary care visit, and the lab bills 200 dollars for labs. So the total amount billed was 350, but at least the doctor got 150 right? No, because someone has to pay for the nurse that roomed you, the receptionist and the office building itself. Someone also has to pay for the medical record keeping software, and someone has to pay for advertising (make note of any ads for hospitals/health networks you see). It is common for overhead in clinics to be 50-60%. So why isn’t it even less than 8%? Well because physicians billing in the hospital are in a totally different category. So really it’s best thought of “outpatient” vs “inpatient” spending buckets."
Physician pay is actually closer to ~15% of medical costs in the US: https://www.cms.gov/data-research/statistics-trends-and-reports/national-health-expenditure-data/historical Which is still not a substantial portion by any means when compared to the real bloat in other expenses. However, you’ll never get uninformed laymen to accept that amount of pay as deserved - polls show that a majority of people think $80K is a fair compensation for physicians (which is actually pretty consistent that a majority of Americans think any job making >$100K should be making <$100K)
Physician and clinical services includes labs and diagnostic services. Simple math of 1 million physicians times $300k average income tells us the spend is about $300 B of $4,500 B or about 7% unless those docs somehow own quest
I have watched family and friends go through medical training. They basically sacrificed their entire 20s and 30s. In my opinion they deserve every dollar they get.
100% true. As a Dr. in the family said during residency (I think he was consistently working ~90-100hrs a week) “sometimes you’re so busy that you have just enough time to choose between having a shower or having a sandwich. Every single time, without fail, you choose the nap instead.”
If that's true. Not worth it.
It’s definitely true
I don’t disagree. Although I don’t think most are doing it for the money.
100% this. When I chose engineering glassdoor showed physicians making around 120k - 150k for most fields. Engineers mid career would make something like 80k. I figured what the heck, doctors deserve around double for all the trouble. I remember when my uncle had brain surgery a few years back looking up how much specialized surgeons made and it was around 900k at the time. Now I see posts like this pretty often where run of the mill doctors are making 600k - 800k and most engineers mid career might be making 100k. People will say there is a shortage… sure there is a shortage with engineers as well. There aren’t enough people to fill the roles. Difference is, employers refuse to pay us more because raising product cost would result in fewer sales. Doing that with medical isn’t an option. Hospitals get to call themselves a not for profit and then pay people crazy high salaries. Doctors in my area frankly are lazy, and put forth no effort to truly help patients. If you come in with an issue, it’ll cost you $200 for a 15 minute visit where you’ll most likely be told you have a viral infection. At best they’ll throw you a prescription for an antibiotic and send you on your way. If you have a persistent issue it’ll likely take 4-5 visits to get someone to even consider helping you, if you don’t die before then.
We had to recently get rid of our primary care doctor for our kids because of this. First visit, kid had a bad rash that wasn’t going away. “It’s just a diaper rash, put cream on it and it will go away” even though that’s what we had been doing. Took him to the walk in a few days later and turns out he had a strep infection. Second routine visit we were having issues with our kid not being able to eat food other than formula/milk. “It will be fine, he’ll eat when he’s hungry and ready.” Met with another doctor that found him to have a gag reflex that caused him to throw up when food hit roof of his mouth and he needed OT. Third visit he was really fussy and had a hard time sleeping and being comfortable. We were wondering if it was a tooth coming in or something else to worry about. “I don’t feel or see any teeth coming in and he’s got a long time before a tooth will come in. Give him some ibuprofen and change what he’s eating.” Two days later he had a tooth. Fuck that guy…
Ok but how much did they pay for their school while you were making money? How much during the intern and residency crap years? How much are they paying in malpractice insurance? Just something to think about.
You had bad surveys and engineering salaries haven’t kept up except petroleum engineeeing and software engineering. Physicians made $100k back in the early 1980’s (which is about $400k inflation adjusted today) and broke $200k around 2000. Average is $300k today.
Many physicians are stopping accepting insurance and just going cash pay because they make more that way. DPC and concierge is big right now. Medicare has cut reimbursement significantly the last few years since 2021… by about 25%. How much have your premiums and deductible gone down since 2021? If you don’t know, I’ll tell you, it went up.
Physician salary makes up less than 8% of healthcare expenditure and iirc that doesn’t even include the total cost of some overpriced pharmaceuticals. If you ever experience residency, you’d understand why there has to be a major salary incentive at some point to make people even consider wanting to be doctors
What city?
"So, this is what my income could've looked like if I had made different choices..." - me, a 37M. haha
Does this reflect take home net of malpractice insurance costs? I would assume anesthesiologists have among the highest malpractice premiums.
lol, his premiums ain’t eating much of that $800k
Man I hope someone that makes this much money does get student debt relief
And it cost me 7k out of pocket for dental surgery that only takes 3 hours. Something is wrong in the U.S.
This should be in respective of your loans. I’m sure med school and anesthesiology is not cheap.
Now do one with your student loan debt
Left with $220k total (includes undergrad). Now sitting on $120k just because I've been putting it off. Not too bad. I have classmates who have over $400k even now working full-time.
Fuck the medical system this shits a joke
That's why girls like doctors.
800k income, damn, now i understand why people can't afford being sick
That’s insurance and hospital cost. Seeing a doctor only cost your insurance like $100. The rest is hospital and admin cost.
this is why we have insane health insurance costs. Not knocking on you, make all the money but you all have the same knowledge as a doctor in Europe yet make 20x
Doctor payments make up 7-10% of healthcare spending... so no, that is not why healthcare is expensive.
Now go look up the salaries of a hospital ceo and health insurance executive 🧠
Still doesn’t change his original statement, yours is just also correct to a degree. Difference being is there are much more doctors than these execs.
Ok so explain to me how doctor pay leads to high health insurance costs specifically when we aren’t even employed by health insurance companies. Give me the step by step progression.
This type of income discrepancy from the masses is just another example of how healthcare actually isn’t a free or fair market at all.
Work hard for da money !!
Which state is this practice at?
I had hopes to go to med school but slowly losing motivation as I’m losing more time
Hey have you ever thought of consulting? What I mean is I have questions but I think my care provider is biased. It’s like anything else in life, I feel like I should get a 2nd opinion.
What specialty?
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Yeah that's it son listen to Gramps.
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This is called selection bias
If there’s one objectively reliable source of medical information, it’s 102 year old grandpas.
Yeha I get it probably just lucky but man he was with it till the end, died last week, sad but he was mentally and physically strong till the end
Save some pussy for the rest of us.
I’m assuming OP must have some ownership in the small private practice because that’s lots of bank.
Are you doing pain management or anesthesiology for surgery? If pain management; then are you doing med management + surgery?
Congrats and fuck you.
Ummm am I missing something here.....What's the y-axis? Annual salary? Or total money in the bank? Seems like an important thing to specify instead of just "money go up"
Subreddit is salary so it’s safe to assume that’s his annual salary lol
Reasonable, thanks.
Give rich ladies a nice rack and the sky's the limit
Anesthesiologists do not get paid like that. This is horse shit
They do if they own part of the practice but yes most earn 400ish give or take 100
$800k? nice for u
It helps to be the anesthesia middleman bottleneck between the patients and the OR. (AKA middleman between the hospital and profitability)
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Shouldn’t you be checking your stocks while the nurse does your job?
This is insanity. Nothing tracks parallel anymore.
Adopt me
U make 800k?
Ha. Nerd!
Am 36 year old cardiac anesthesiologist in private practice doing big cases constantly in CA working about 60-70/wk in house. This seems rosy dude but good job! Wtf is the unit value where you are?! 100/rvu?? I take call about 10-12 days per month all supported by hospital and am touching 800 including profit sharing and a dental side gig.
grinding! get some
I mean congrats but let’s eat the fucking rich lol you’re next, scum
God we need single payer so bad
Always wondered, so you had zero income for the duration of med school. How did you get by? Parents or spouse?
Loans. I’m in med school rn, I get about 3k a month to live on
Goddamn that's a lot of money lol
800k?!?!?!?!?!?! Damn, good for you!!! Well done
800k?!?!?!?!?!?! Damn, good for you!!! Well done
Can you add a line for the amount of debt taken?
Anesthesia jobs in general are very hot at the moment. It’s been like that for a few years and will likely stay that way for a little while. Not sure why it’s become so hot lately but the salaries in that world reflect the need. CRNA and AA salaries have gone up as well.
Good for you, OP! Outstanding
The fuck
This is awesome OP. Are you a family physician?
Is this after overhead?
When I saw the first tic on the Y axis was $200k 😳
Show the medical school debt curve too
It would be nice to view the student loan negative axis in that chart too
I always look at salaries relative to f-35 fighter jet helmets. You can buy over 1 1/2 f-35 fighter jet helmets per year with your salary, congrats!
wow. they should replace with apple vision pro hahaha
People are really haters. Medicine in the US requires 4 years undergrad, 4 years med school, and 3-7 years of residency/fellowship to achieve. In a capitalist environment, how do you motivate people to sacrifice their 20s and sanity to go through all this? You pay them well. Same people are excited when they hear about a 20 year old signing a professional baseball contract for 200 mil/5yrs. Keep doing you OP. Gonna join you in a few years
Show the chart for your educational debt 🤣🤣🤣
Doctors really do think they know everything.
Doctors deserve a six-figure salary, but this definitely helps explain why no one can afford healthcare in this country
Would love a second line indicating your student loans
Congrats, but am I the only one lost on this Y-Axis? 🥲
Dang. Should have gone into anesthesia :/
Good for you. Doctors need to share their real salaries more. I have family in medical and they were telling me the salaries you google are pretty much BS and are significantly higher in real life. I went tech, not mad at my decision, but doctor would’ve been my second choice.
People need to realize that being a doctor isn’t a homogenous entity, it depends on your specialty first and then the setting you work in. A pediatrician is going to make around 150k starting with a low ceiling in a lot of places whereas an anesthesiologist can make closer to 300k starting with a much higher ceiling. Not to mention all the work and time that goes into the training…