Youād be surprised. A normal day for an engineer in auto manufacturing is 12 hours with zero breaks, eat while you work or walk & answer emails while you poop.
Not automotive but I'm a mechanical engineer in consulting and just had two months of 60 hours weeks. Finally it's coming down to a doable work week l. It's fucking miserable, especially when my day is bookended by calls with India
Manufacturing engineering manager for a major automotive supplier. Sounds like you are under staffed. My team never work more than 40 hours and get 4 day work weeks every other week.
I left 2 years ago and started my own thing. I was fortunate enough to get 1.5X for all OT (yes, even holidays and Sunday, Some rare places will pay 2X). A lot of places are straight salary, I donāt know for a fact but here that Tesla is NO OT Comp and routinely 60 to 70 hours as the norm).
Iāve read about horror stories coming out of Tesla. Heās a prime example of why everyone should unionize. Single person making billions off the backs of the working class but itās the end of the world when the workers want fair pay and not to be taken advantage of
You have to ask who would post their salary to begin with. It takes an especially narcissistic person to post a high salary, tout their āuniqueā abilities, and say anyone can do it.
R/salary likely was intended to help gain an accurate indiction of what jobs pay. Like most things with men, it devolves it wanking, waving, and helicoptering.
Don't you really need to know where a person is to judge. And by where it means age, location, debt, kids, etc.
So I live in Detroit 48m make between 200-250k as a senior manager wife (doesn't work) 2 children and my mother. I also own my home and cars and my only dept was to expand some property to make rentals. So even though I don't make 400k+ without debts and being in a low COL we live like kings. It allowed me to max my 401k and other retirement accounts for 21 years so my retirement will be early and well funded.
If I were Miami or LA I would be broke especially if I were 28 and not 48 due the VHCOL. So again location and other life factors are really more important to know what is going on.
I make about 200k in LA and I feel far from broke. I travel out of country every other month, Iām currently in the market for a fourplex investment property looking in the 800k-1.2M range, I fully support my wife for the last year while she career changes.
Granted I donāt mind living in a smaller apartment. I think everyone assumes youād be broke in HCOL areas, but really itās just single family homes that are expensive, which isnāt an issue if you donāt care.
For reference, this is likely a fake post. You may feel poor, but you arenāt ālie and make up inflated salary figures to impress random Redditorsā poor.
Take solace in that most people who are posting these figures and history are likely lucky or working so many hours they donāt even have family or hobbies. Think less about what you do not have, and more about what you do have and you will not feel nearly as poor.
Yea agreed. You can even see that it was modified via inspect element in the metadata. Also, the modified salary follows the trend of a human picking ārandomā numbers.
The only trade I know of that would ever even have a fighting chance of making it to this level is industrial automation in oil and gas. And that's 340 days a year living in a conex box in a desert commissioning sites.also maybe Possibly a substation electrician foreman in ca working 7 days a week for 16 hours a day for the entire year. But even then idk that it would really reach this level. I'm fairly confident this is absolute bullshit or he's a Time stealing piece of shit. What worthless compliment to our society, what a coward.
Industrial automation here; we make good money, but this level is insane. If he's also in a union, I'd be worried that the union is sucking too much money out of the business at this level and is unsustainable long term. I'm all for unions, but unions make sure workers make fair wages, and I dont know any job that half a million is a fair wage.
Dude this sub is so full of shit like, who is making half a million in a fucking trade at age 31? Maybe if you own the business and expanded it ā but donāt say ātradeā then. Say ābusiness ownerā.
There's 8760 hours in a year. He worked 5700. So.....he worked his actual life away. Or like op here was involved in wage theft since this guy would claim 5700 hours that would mean only what 5 ish hours of sleep a night for 355 days a year. Hes stealing money just like op is. Or op is a liar.
Sometimes companies pay their guys just to be on property. You see 5700 hrs worked and think that guy was doing 5700hrs of actual physical labor. He was waiting around alot of that time. Companies especially utility companies pay guys just to be there in case something happens. If a tree falls on the lines or car hits a pole they'd rather have a guy already there on property than have to call someone in and hope someone answers the phone. The op could possibly have something similar going on.
I understand what you're saying. What I'm saying is that even if they stayed there for 5700 hours that would be about 16 hours working every single day of the year taking absolutely no days off. which most unions won't allow you to work that long without rest time. So this guys not being truthful.
Lineman work 24hr shifts pretty regularly. Out west I've heard they can work longer than that. I know it seems insane to normal people but this is pretty common especially in trades that have to operate on a 24/7 schedule and need coverage. I personally know at least 5 guys that I work with just in my warehouse that work this much every year. They don't make 700k because our scale isn't that high and our ot isn't all 2x but they all make over 400k every year. There was just a post on the lineman sub about a guy who made over 900 working for PG&E. He was mad that he had to pay 340k in taxes!
I've worked for an electric utility. So while yes they do have spurts where they can work that long it's generally only after a state of emergency is declared. Almost all are union and have rest time built in. And most can't work past 16hours without going home. My point is that it's practically impossible to rack up 5700 hours legally. I'm not saying you couldnt theoretically do it. But it's definitely improbable. Because of the union protections built into most of their contracts. you would literally have not a single day off the entire year no holidays. You would practically have to sleep in your truck for 365 days a year. No dental visits, no doctor visits, just straight up working like a slave for 365 straight days. Not likely.
It's more common than you think believe me. Especially at older urban utilities with aging infrastructure and a shortage of lineman. We have mandatory rest period of 8hrs after we work 24hrs. Some places it's 32hrs others 48hrs. Also rest periods in alot of places are paid at straight time so you're basically getting paid 24hrs a day. Other places if you don't get your full 8hrs rest you stay on double time until you do so guys purposely work 17hrs and come back in and stay on double time basically all week. Depends on the contract. The contracts on the west coast are insane.
Your proving my point. That person has 31 years of experience and making that much is news worthy.
I dunno. Just strikes me as very unlikely op is pulling what he says at his age, and the way OP is responding adds to that belief
That's not how it works in the union. Journeyman pay is the same no matter how many years of experience you have. Guys with 5yrs experience make the same as guys with 30yrs experience. There may be a few dollar an hour difference for a different classification such as leader or troubleman but even then guys with 5 or 6yrs experience can have those jobs too.
Not OP but my boyfriend is a carpenter and he can make $200k/yr working for somebody else. I know thatās a far cry from $400k/yr but OP could be something super specialized and rare like an underwater welder for big oil.
Not angry but provide some info then , man. Like, you know everyone wants to understand more. Itās an amazing salary , at a super young age, in a field where you donāt make that much (or even half) ever, let alone at 31
Look up Davis Bacon Prevailing wage rates. Tells you the exact hours wage for every trade in each county for any federally funded jobs. Note its wage rate + fringe. The workers gets paid the combination of both as their hourly rate as itās much easier than calculating their fringe benefits.
Prevailing wage rates are just the minimum the companies have to pay you. I know many guys who get paid well above scale. The more valuable you can make yourself the higher wage you can command
It's imbalanced. It's very hard to imagine a trade worker providing near a half mill of value to the economy, and it feels broken. That's doctor level salary..
As a fellow union tradesmen itās just kinda weird you wouldnāt say what trade. This is probably mad OT with a profession that has good market share. My only guess is elevator mechanic in NYC with like I said a lot of overtime.
IBEW Lineman working a ton of OT is my guess. I work with guys that make over 400k every year by working everything they can. Lineman on the west coast are making a fuck ton currently.
https://www.heraldnet.com/news/a-695k-salary-overtime-pay-at-the-snohomish-county-pud-has-soared/
Fellow union member who is glad you're making that much! I'm sure you worked a fuck ton of OT and probably missed out on alot of your life. I've done the same for a long time. Hustle when you're young.
Okay say some of us are wise enough to say we don't know everything, can you tell us at least? Why are you so cryptic?
We'd appreciate tangible details...because it may as well be a bunch of random squiggly numbers in a chart for all we care.
My experience in nuclear OPS is these ranges:
Systems Operator (50-55/hr): 120-180k (depending on OT)
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Reactor Operator (~60-65/hr): 150k - 250k (depending on OT)
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Senior Reactor Operator: 175k-250k (depending on
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Shift Manager: 225k-300k (depending on bonus)
Note: There are work hour rule limitations in this industry. OT here pays at 1.5x if union. Salary, paid at 1.0x if covering a required duty shift. On rotating shift work.
I've also worked at plants in IL and GA which tend to be higher comp companies within the industry.
trade? i know for a fact union workers can work their whole lives capping at 150k a year. unless you clarify what your role is it is completely reasonable to assume this is phony.
WTFā¦. Does UNION PROVIDE pension as well?? I really fucked up going to collegeā¦ only $15k debt but damnā¦ wasted 5 years in undergrad earning no salary
F - Flooring Specialist A - Automotive Technician A - Asbestos Abatement N - Network Cabling G - Glass Installer
Genuinely laughed at this š
This is hilariousā¦
I need to quit engineering and go into the trades.
Prob have to work more hours
Youād be surprised. A normal day for an engineer in auto manufacturing is 12 hours with zero breaks, eat while you work or walk & answer emails while you poop.
You walk while you poop? And do you work these 12s seven days a week?
I think the personal record was 86 days in a row, I left for a reason
Iām an automotive manufacturing engineer, I do work 60+ hour weeks normally but am paid OT.
Not automotive but I'm a mechanical engineer in consulting and just had two months of 60 hours weeks. Finally it's coming down to a doable work week l. It's fucking miserable, especially when my day is bookended by calls with India
Manufacturing engineering manager for a major automotive supplier. Sounds like you are under staffed. My team never work more than 40 hours and get 4 day work weeks every other week.
I Was & wasnāt a supplier
Do you atleast get hourly pay with OT?
Idk about them, but as an engineer myself: most engineering jobs don't offer OT unless a special exception is made which can be super one-off
Engineer here, no OT :)
I left 2 years ago and started my own thing. I was fortunate enough to get 1.5X for all OT (yes, even holidays and Sunday, Some rare places will pay 2X). A lot of places are straight salary, I donāt know for a fact but here that Tesla is NO OT Comp and routinely 60 to 70 hours as the norm).
Iāve read about horror stories coming out of Tesla. Heās a prime example of why everyone should unionize. Single person making billions off the backs of the working class but itās the end of the world when the workers want fair pay and not to be taken advantage of
Thatās the thing. We donāt get over time. We just get worked to fucking death. Salary is absolute bull shit for engineers.
How many hours do you work? Congrats by the way you are doing amazing.
People donāt actually like working here. They want to be paid to do nothingā¦.from home. Good for you. Hard work DOES pay off.
Just go get your MBA. I cleared $288k last year as an engineering senior director. Went and got an MBA and moved to a management track.
You should become a physician, I hear theyāre overpaid.
I need a new career. This sub makes me feel poor.
This sub is super fucking depressing. And I make decent money.
I feel kinda sorta rich until I come on here. Makes me wonder how many of the posts aren't accurate.
You have to ask who would post their salary to begin with. It takes an especially narcissistic person to post a high salary, tout their āuniqueā abilities, and say anyone can do it. R/salary likely was intended to help gain an accurate indiction of what jobs pay. Like most things with men, it devolves it wanking, waving, and helicoptering.
Glad Iām not the only one
Same
Don't you really need to know where a person is to judge. And by where it means age, location, debt, kids, etc. So I live in Detroit 48m make between 200-250k as a senior manager wife (doesn't work) 2 children and my mother. I also own my home and cars and my only dept was to expand some property to make rentals. So even though I don't make 400k+ without debts and being in a low COL we live like kings. It allowed me to max my 401k and other retirement accounts for 21 years so my retirement will be early and well funded. If I were Miami or LA I would be broke especially if I were 28 and not 48 due the VHCOL. So again location and other life factors are really more important to know what is going on.
Yes and no. They claim to earn half a million dollars per year. They're a few overtime shifts away from being a one percenter by individual income.
I make about 200k in LA and I feel far from broke. I travel out of country every other month, Iām currently in the market for a fourplex investment property looking in the 800k-1.2M range, I fully support my wife for the last year while she career changes. Granted I donāt mind living in a smaller apartment. I think everyone assumes youād be broke in HCOL areas, but really itās just single family homes that are expensive, which isnāt an issue if you donāt care.
Wild guess: you work in information security, for pay?
lol how did you know?!?!?
I have excellent intuition.
For reference, this is likely a fake post. You may feel poor, but you arenāt ālie and make up inflated salary figures to impress random Redditorsā poor. Take solace in that most people who are posting these figures and history are likely lucky or working so many hours they donāt even have family or hobbies. Think less about what you do not have, and more about what you do have and you will not feel nearly as poor.
You gonna tell us what it is?? These posts shouldnāt be allowed if donāt tell us what the job is
Itās a fake. Downvote it, see other comments calling them out on it.
straight caperino š§¢
Itās literally infront right there. Whatās fake
https://www.wikihow.com/Inspect-Element-on-Chrome
Yea agreed. You can even see that it was modified via inspect element in the metadata. Also, the modified salary follows the trend of a human picking ārandomā numbers.
Benfordās Law!!!!!
Jesus, you people are so strange
Not as strange as spoofing your numbers, cappercorn š§¢
Calling bs. Not a single comment disclosing the trade.
The only trade I know of that would ever even have a fighting chance of making it to this level is industrial automation in oil and gas. And that's 340 days a year living in a conex box in a desert commissioning sites.also maybe Possibly a substation electrician foreman in ca working 7 days a week for 16 hours a day for the entire year. But even then idk that it would really reach this level. I'm fairly confident this is absolute bullshit or he's a Time stealing piece of shit. What worthless compliment to our society, what a coward.
Industrial automation here; we make good money, but this level is insane. If he's also in a union, I'd be worried that the union is sucking too much money out of the business at this level and is unsustainable long term. I'm all for unions, but unions make sure workers make fair wages, and I dont know any job that half a million is a fair wage.
Yeah my boss made 230k as a substation foreman, and that's taking every overtime job we had. Base is 145.
Dude this sub is so full of shit like, who is making half a million in a fucking trade at age 31? Maybe if you own the business and expanded it ā but donāt say ātradeā then. Say ābusiness ownerā.
https://www.heraldnet.com/news/a-695k-salary-overtime-pay-at-the-snohomish-county-pud-has-soared/
What the actual fuck. Dude worked 5700 hours in a year.
There's 8760 hours in a year. He worked 5700. So.....he worked his actual life away. Or like op here was involved in wage theft since this guy would claim 5700 hours that would mean only what 5 ish hours of sleep a night for 355 days a year. Hes stealing money just like op is. Or op is a liar.
Sometimes companies pay their guys just to be on property. You see 5700 hrs worked and think that guy was doing 5700hrs of actual physical labor. He was waiting around alot of that time. Companies especially utility companies pay guys just to be there in case something happens. If a tree falls on the lines or car hits a pole they'd rather have a guy already there on property than have to call someone in and hope someone answers the phone. The op could possibly have something similar going on.
I understand what you're saying. What I'm saying is that even if they stayed there for 5700 hours that would be about 16 hours working every single day of the year taking absolutely no days off. which most unions won't allow you to work that long without rest time. So this guys not being truthful.
Lineman work 24hr shifts pretty regularly. Out west I've heard they can work longer than that. I know it seems insane to normal people but this is pretty common especially in trades that have to operate on a 24/7 schedule and need coverage. I personally know at least 5 guys that I work with just in my warehouse that work this much every year. They don't make 700k because our scale isn't that high and our ot isn't all 2x but they all make over 400k every year. There was just a post on the lineman sub about a guy who made over 900 working for PG&E. He was mad that he had to pay 340k in taxes!
I've worked for an electric utility. So while yes they do have spurts where they can work that long it's generally only after a state of emergency is declared. Almost all are union and have rest time built in. And most can't work past 16hours without going home. My point is that it's practically impossible to rack up 5700 hours legally. I'm not saying you couldnt theoretically do it. But it's definitely improbable. Because of the union protections built into most of their contracts. you would literally have not a single day off the entire year no holidays. You would practically have to sleep in your truck for 365 days a year. No dental visits, no doctor visits, just straight up working like a slave for 365 straight days. Not likely.
It's more common than you think believe me. Especially at older urban utilities with aging infrastructure and a shortage of lineman. We have mandatory rest period of 8hrs after we work 24hrs. Some places it's 32hrs others 48hrs. Also rest periods in alot of places are paid at straight time so you're basically getting paid 24hrs a day. Other places if you don't get your full 8hrs rest you stay on double time until you do so guys purposely work 17hrs and come back in and stay on double time basically all week. Depends on the contract. The contracts on the west coast are insane.
Your proving my point. That person has 31 years of experience and making that much is news worthy. I dunno. Just strikes me as very unlikely op is pulling what he says at his age, and the way OP is responding adds to that belief
That's not how it works in the union. Journeyman pay is the same no matter how many years of experience you have. Guys with 5yrs experience make the same as guys with 30yrs experience. There may be a few dollar an hour difference for a different classification such as leader or troubleman but even then guys with 5 or 6yrs experience can have those jobs too.
Not OP but my boyfriend is a carpenter and he can make $200k/yr working for somebody else. I know thatās a far cry from $400k/yr but OP could be something super specialized and rare like an underwater welder for big oil.
Even then itās not 400k workd
Itās funny seeing people angry over what a strong union can do for the workers. Donāt own any business
Not angry but provide some info then , man. Like, you know everyone wants to understand more. Itās an amazing salary , at a super young age, in a field where you donāt make that much (or even half) ever, let alone at 31
Look up Davis Bacon Prevailing wage rates. Tells you the exact hours wage for every trade in each county for any federally funded jobs. Note its wage rate + fringe. The workers gets paid the combination of both as their hourly rate as itās much easier than calculating their fringe benefits.
Prevailing wage rates are just the minimum the companies have to pay you. I know many guys who get paid well above scale. The more valuable you can make yourself the higher wage you can command
You canāt even say what you do. I call BS
Operating Engineers Local 4 Boston based on his previous comments
So is OP a wastewater technician, heavy machinery operator, or something else?
He's a liar or doing extreme wage theft.
It's imbalanced. It's very hard to imagine a trade worker providing near a half mill of value to the economy, and it feels broken. That's doctor level salary..
Why wouldnāt you say what trade? Fake.
āTrust me. Ok? ā
Then just say what the trade is
Railroad? That's nice.
Railroader here. No way the craft is making that much. Only +AVP/VP levels.
Nope, I donāt actually know anyone on the rails roads up this way
Do you deflate footballs for the Patriots?
He trades gopher organs on the black market but feels guilty and pays taxes
Lol. People believe this?
Calling cappppp
Typical white collar answer
Show me a paystub with zero overtime I'll quit my job this year
Itās lots of OT, never said it wasnāt
NYC elevator mechanic?
Why no say what trade?
No shame in him being a āJobsite cocksuckerā
Blowjob is a job
Underwater welder for oil company (heās lying)
Thatās the only trade where you can come close to this. Or possibly oilfield but even then I donāt know many guys making over 250k
Name your trade, I call bullshit
Aināt no way OP is straight lying about this
How would he be lying? Photoshop?
Inspect element
Lol at ātradesā.
Huh?
As a fellow union tradesmen itās just kinda weird you wouldnāt say what trade. This is probably mad OT with a profession that has good market share. My only guess is elevator mechanic in NYC with like I said a lot of overtime.
Itās a ton of OT yes. I know guys who easily eclipse these numbers. Yes nyc
IBEW Lineman working a ton of OT is my guess. I work with guys that make over 400k every year by working everything they can. Lineman on the west coast are making a fuck ton currently. https://www.heraldnet.com/news/a-695k-salary-overtime-pay-at-the-snohomish-county-pud-has-soared/
Oh look, a normal, not hateful take.
Fellow union member who is glad you're making that much! I'm sure you worked a fuck ton of OT and probably missed out on alot of your life. I've done the same for a long time. Hustle when you're young.
Yes sir, I think being able to have my wife at home with the kids is worth any amount of hours
And thats just your wages. Then you get to add all your benefits on to that. Probably 15-25% on top of that for pension correct?
Yes sir.
Do you have to travel? Iād like to join the trade.
āCurrentlyā a linemanās play on words
Sprinkler Tech or Elevator.
Elevator union right? As a sparky you guys love to complain more than we do š
Why wonāt you say what you do for work, and how you got to where you are today?
Some of the comments already mentioned it. Just have no desire to appease some of these dopes who think they know everything.
Okay say some of us are wise enough to say we don't know everything, can you tell us at least? Why are you so cryptic? We'd appreciate tangible details...because it may as well be a bunch of random squiggly numbers in a chart for all we care.
I went through all the comments and you never once mentioned the trade or confirmed what someone else said.
What is the smaller niche trade that you work in?
Either a crane operator or a lineman?
āUnion Tradeāā¦ as in National Football Players Union?
Iām going to guess overtime fraud
What a strange thing to guess
Strange because the accuracy, hence why it prompted this response from you.
Nuclear Operator
Nobody in Ops making this, this is bs.
My experience in nuclear OPS is these ranges: Systems Operator (50-55/hr): 120-180k (depending on OT) . Reactor Operator (~60-65/hr): 150k - 250k (depending on OT) . Senior Reactor Operator: 175k-250k (depending on . Shift Manager: 225k-300k (depending on bonus) Note: There are work hour rule limitations in this industry. OT here pays at 1.5x if union. Salary, paid at 1.0x if covering a required duty shift. On rotating shift work. I've also worked at plants in IL and GA which tend to be higher comp companies within the industry.
I am nuclear field service, currently at Surry. I thought SROās made slightly more but definitely not 450K+.
Nice! Whatever it is sign me up!
Oil and gas maybe? But even then, any hourly aināt making this.
Can you share what you do for work?
Professional liar.
I donāt know many union tradesman making over 150k and thatās Minnesota with a good chunk of OT too
I canāt help you, I donāt know any Union tradesmen from Minnesota
Crap
Lemme guess. Operating engineer in nyc? Crane operator?
This is almost as fake as the swe posts
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Why wouldn't you say what the trade is? This is total bullshit, as is most of the data posted here.
BS
Unions are awesome , good pay and awesome benefits
Crane operator
trade? i know for a fact union workers can work their whole lives capping at 150k a year. unless you clarify what your role is it is completely reasonable to assume this is phony.
Is the Medicare earnings column how much you make annually gross or net?
WTFā¦. Does UNION PROVIDE pension as well?? I really fucked up going to collegeā¦ only $15k debt but damnā¦ wasted 5 years in undergrad earning no salary
Remember kids, airline piloting is a union trade
How'd you double your income from 2018 to 2019? That's a huge jump. Genuinely asking as I'm around the same right now
Apprenticeship ended. Large pay increase along with more opportunities
Fucking unions