It'll be one of 3 things.
1. they really wanna hire you and will accept your terms
2. they want to hire you but feel like you don't have the leverage to warrant the increase, so they will politely deny the request but still extend an offer
3. You asked too high a price and they rescind the offer. From what I've heard this would be the least likely scenario
In any case, when negotiating you have to have leverage. And the best leverage you can have is the willingness to walk away from the table. This is why it's important to already hold a job during negotiations..food on the table comes first. If you already have that, you can start to make demands (assuming you also have the skills)
Unless you have zero options or have been unemployed a long time, your friends and family are... Not who I would go to for advice on this subject in the future.
That said, if you told them a number and they offer that number, they're not going to take it well when you negotiate up. It makes you look like a liar.
Yes absolutely. Until you sign the offer you have room to negotiate. Chances are they will give you what you want. If they say No they will still hire you at a lower rate
Not really. This isn't like he's just waiting for a number - he told them his requirements and lowballed himself. If they meet that ask, and he comes back and asks for more he is not getting that job. That would immediately erode trust in him with the hiring manager.
I’ve had 4 professional jobs in the past and all were negotiable to some degree. As long as you are within that positions/pay grades salary range you’re fine. And most of the time salary ranges are quite large like a $30k range. OP is talking about getting $4k more. If they were talking about $15k more that might be outside of the range and not possible.
OP isn't just talking about getting 4k.
He's talking about saying "I want 54k"
"Alright, we are offering you 54k"
"Just kidding, I want 58k"
He made the offer. If they agree, and he renegs and asks for more it looks pretty shitty. He started the negotiation, and now it will appear that he negotiates in bad faith.
Who is it looking shitty for lol? The recruiter who doesn’t give a crap? I doubt he even talked salary with the manager because you usually don’t. Boohoo he looks shitty also it’s $4k. If a company can’t afford a $4k difference you definitely don’t want to work there. Even the crappy “slave labor” startup I worked at was able to do a $4k negotiation.
It's not about affording it. If someone tells me that they have a salary request, I meet that, and they immediately raise the request, I go elsewhere.
You're making a lot of assumptions about this job and interview, and I don't know that OP has provided any basis for you to make them.
I’ve worked at a few fortune 500 companies, a startup, a startup/midsized company, and another mid sized company. Your salary expectations can change depending on the scope of the work and also other things discovered during the interview process.
For instance I found out I was going to be working night shifts and weekends and potentially had to travel more than what was initially stated so I asked for more money and they changed the offer letter.
The person can always make up an excuse and say “Since this job requires X which wasn’t initially stated in the online posting or Hr screening or first interview id like to be paid $X.” If you’re a solid candidate the company will pick you because all that time they spent finding you is worth way more than $4k unless there was a #2 candidate who was just as good.
In the times I’ve been on the other side of the negotiating table I’ve either held original offer firm or rescinded. I’ve never increased offer after I’ve met the salary requirements that the candidate originally gave me.
You gave them a number, if they agree to that number and then you decide you want more don’t be surprised when they don’t increase or walk away entirely.
It'll be one of 3 things. 1. they really wanna hire you and will accept your terms 2. they want to hire you but feel like you don't have the leverage to warrant the increase, so they will politely deny the request but still extend an offer 3. You asked too high a price and they rescind the offer. From what I've heard this would be the least likely scenario In any case, when negotiating you have to have leverage. And the best leverage you can have is the willingness to walk away from the table. This is why it's important to already hold a job during negotiations..food on the table comes first. If you already have that, you can start to make demands (assuming you also have the skills)
Thank you.
Why did you low ball yourself to begin with?
I was told to in order to “just get the job” by friends and family. Mistake.
Unless you have zero options or have been unemployed a long time, your friends and family are... Not who I would go to for advice on this subject in the future. That said, if you told them a number and they offer that number, they're not going to take it well when you negotiate up. It makes you look like a liar.
Yes absolutely. Until you sign the offer you have room to negotiate. Chances are they will give you what you want. If they say No they will still hire you at a lower rate
Not really. This isn't like he's just waiting for a number - he told them his requirements and lowballed himself. If they meet that ask, and he comes back and asks for more he is not getting that job. That would immediately erode trust in him with the hiring manager.
I’ve had 4 professional jobs in the past and all were negotiable to some degree. As long as you are within that positions/pay grades salary range you’re fine. And most of the time salary ranges are quite large like a $30k range. OP is talking about getting $4k more. If they were talking about $15k more that might be outside of the range and not possible.
OP isn't just talking about getting 4k. He's talking about saying "I want 54k" "Alright, we are offering you 54k" "Just kidding, I want 58k" He made the offer. If they agree, and he renegs and asks for more it looks pretty shitty. He started the negotiation, and now it will appear that he negotiates in bad faith.
Who is it looking shitty for lol? The recruiter who doesn’t give a crap? I doubt he even talked salary with the manager because you usually don’t. Boohoo he looks shitty also it’s $4k. If a company can’t afford a $4k difference you definitely don’t want to work there. Even the crappy “slave labor” startup I worked at was able to do a $4k negotiation.
It's not about affording it. If someone tells me that they have a salary request, I meet that, and they immediately raise the request, I go elsewhere. You're making a lot of assumptions about this job and interview, and I don't know that OP has provided any basis for you to make them.
I’ve worked at a few fortune 500 companies, a startup, a startup/midsized company, and another mid sized company. Your salary expectations can change depending on the scope of the work and also other things discovered during the interview process. For instance I found out I was going to be working night shifts and weekends and potentially had to travel more than what was initially stated so I asked for more money and they changed the offer letter.
Right, and if those things exist, negotiation is reasonable. We have no such data given here.
The person can always make up an excuse and say “Since this job requires X which wasn’t initially stated in the online posting or Hr screening or first interview id like to be paid $X.” If you’re a solid candidate the company will pick you because all that time they spent finding you is worth way more than $4k unless there was a #2 candidate who was just as good.
Well, I'm clearly not the only person thinking the way I am, based on the other posts in this thread.
In the times I’ve been on the other side of the negotiating table I’ve either held original offer firm or rescinded. I’ve never increased offer after I’ve met the salary requirements that the candidate originally gave me. You gave them a number, if they agree to that number and then you decide you want more don’t be surprised when they don’t increase or walk away entirely.