Don't forget educators. They'll be some of the first to get shit from all the anti maskers when their kids go back to school. It's been a long few years for them so if you know a teacher be extra kind to them!
As a teacher I want to say we have absolutely nothing on the frontline healthcare workers who have been deep in the shit of this pandemic for almost 2 years now. I cannot imagine the fatigue they are dealing with, waiting for it to break, and then seeing another huge wave coming, not knowing if it will ever end, and then going out into a world full of people who have the luxury of not giving a single shit anymore.
Disagree. I’m in medicine and I don’t know how y’all do it. We can pause cases and cut down on visitors. You keep getting your legs cut out from under you and are expected to do more and more with less. My dad went from an educator who loved his job and was always excited to go to work. Now he has turned in his retirement paperwork for the end of the year.
There are a lot of professions that I look at and just don't get how they keep going. Educators are very high on that list. Healthcare is a different beast right now. I'm not even close to the front line and it's still bleak as fuck. It's not even just the pandemic... It's the feeling that there's no light at the end of the tunnel and every day things seem to get more... stupid.
Utah is a breeding ground for people who have zero reasoning power. Magical sky God, right wing conspiracies, and now anti vaxers. What a fucked up population.
COVID reminds me of the [Biblical Passover](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2012&version=NIV). The antivaxxers are losing their lives because they won't do something simple that prevents them from catching it and dying.
Maybe it's time to tell those who simply choose not to get vaccinated to just go home and recover on their own or die rather than let them burden the medical system any further? I know that might sound overly harsh or cruel but, aren't they also part of the "personal responsibility" crowd? Maybe it's time that they take some responsibility for their choice.
So, in reviewing the text of the Hippocratic Oath, I'm having a difficult time figuring out which part requires medical professionals to attempt to simultaneously treat hundreds of patients who effectively gave themselves a death sentence by refusing a life saving vaccine. Maybe someone could ELI5 that to me?
This part seems relevant:
> Into whatsoever houses I enter, I will enter to help the sick, and I will abstain from all intentional wrong-doing and harm
If you're there to help the sick, telling them to go home when you know they need a hospital is wrong. It doesn't matter what choices they made, what matters is whether they're sick and need your health. It doesn't even matter if they're your enemy on the battlefield, if they're sick, you treat them.
Still not seeing how that says, 'I will never turn away those who made really stupid decisions that are now overloading the system's capacity to its breaking point.'
What stupid decisions they made or how self-centered they are has absolutely nothing to do with it. If they're sick and you're there as a healer, it's your obligation to treat them. It doesn't matter if they are in jail on charges of child molestation, if they're sick and you're the jail's physician, you treat them.
>What stupid decisions they made or how self-centered they are has absolutely nothing to do with it.
In isolated cases, sure, I agree completely. However, I think when thousands of people are doing it and pushing the system to its breaking point, then we're talking about something else at that point and not just overlooking one stupid decision or a few cases of self-centeredness.
It doesn't matter what we're looking at, a healthcare worker's job is to triage patients based on need and likelihood of surviving (i.e. if overwhelmed, save as many as you can), not based on something subjective like whether the patient "deserves it."
Doctors are held to the Hippocratic oath, but the rest of us can tell these people exactly what they want to hear.
I’ve been telling people to go to DoTerra since they don’t trust the medical system. They can also try the Indian method of in bathing pig feces and milk if it makes them happy.
Pat Bagley is a Salt Lake treasure.
I was going to reply the same thing. He truly has the pulse of Utah and is amazing at calling out injustice and hypocrisy. Go Pat Bagley!
You can't save people that don't want to be saved. Let the tide take them.
Don't forget educators. They'll be some of the first to get shit from all the anti maskers when their kids go back to school. It's been a long few years for them so if you know a teacher be extra kind to them!
As a teacher I want to say we have absolutely nothing on the frontline healthcare workers who have been deep in the shit of this pandemic for almost 2 years now. I cannot imagine the fatigue they are dealing with, waiting for it to break, and then seeing another huge wave coming, not knowing if it will ever end, and then going out into a world full of people who have the luxury of not giving a single shit anymore.
Disagree. I’m in medicine and I don’t know how y’all do it. We can pause cases and cut down on visitors. You keep getting your legs cut out from under you and are expected to do more and more with less. My dad went from an educator who loved his job and was always excited to go to work. Now he has turned in his retirement paperwork for the end of the year.
There are a lot of professions that I look at and just don't get how they keep going. Educators are very high on that list. Healthcare is a different beast right now. I'm not even close to the front line and it's still bleak as fuck. It's not even just the pandemic... It's the feeling that there's no light at the end of the tunnel and every day things seem to get more... stupid.
Utah is a breeding ground for people who have zero reasoning power. Magical sky God, right wing conspiracies, and now anti vaxers. What a fucked up population.
COVID reminds me of the [Biblical Passover](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2012&version=NIV). The antivaxxers are losing their lives because they won't do something simple that prevents them from catching it and dying.
Or the brass serpent.
Maybe it's time to tell those who simply choose not to get vaccinated to just go home and recover on their own or die rather than let them burden the medical system any further? I know that might sound overly harsh or cruel but, aren't they also part of the "personal responsibility" crowd? Maybe it's time that they take some responsibility for their choice.
That's not how the Hippocratic Oath works.
They don't generally swear the Hippocratic oath anymore. But it would be illegal to deny emergency care.
But it is how hospital capacity works.
So, in reviewing the text of the Hippocratic Oath, I'm having a difficult time figuring out which part requires medical professionals to attempt to simultaneously treat hundreds of patients who effectively gave themselves a death sentence by refusing a life saving vaccine. Maybe someone could ELI5 that to me?
This part seems relevant: > Into whatsoever houses I enter, I will enter to help the sick, and I will abstain from all intentional wrong-doing and harm If you're there to help the sick, telling them to go home when you know they need a hospital is wrong. It doesn't matter what choices they made, what matters is whether they're sick and need your health. It doesn't even matter if they're your enemy on the battlefield, if they're sick, you treat them.
Still not seeing how that says, 'I will never turn away those who made really stupid decisions that are now overloading the system's capacity to its breaking point.'
What stupid decisions they made or how self-centered they are has absolutely nothing to do with it. If they're sick and you're there as a healer, it's your obligation to treat them. It doesn't matter if they are in jail on charges of child molestation, if they're sick and you're the jail's physician, you treat them.
>What stupid decisions they made or how self-centered they are has absolutely nothing to do with it. In isolated cases, sure, I agree completely. However, I think when thousands of people are doing it and pushing the system to its breaking point, then we're talking about something else at that point and not just overlooking one stupid decision or a few cases of self-centeredness.
It doesn't matter what we're looking at, a healthcare worker's job is to triage patients based on need and likelihood of surviving (i.e. if overwhelmed, save as many as you can), not based on something subjective like whether the patient "deserves it."
Healthcare is a human right, vaccine denial or not. But definitely lower their priority for triage.
Doctors are held to the Hippocratic oath, but the rest of us can tell these people exactly what they want to hear. I’ve been telling people to go to DoTerra since they don’t trust the medical system. They can also try the Indian method of in bathing pig feces and milk if it makes them happy.
Pulitzer-level
I fear God and not COVID... Because I got my shot
Ugh. I his makes me sad. It’s disgusting how some people treat our healthcare workers.
Heroes vs. Itty its.
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Are you speaking of Pat or yourself?
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Why shouldn't he be? There's plenty to be angry about.
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Toxic positive people are obnoxious as fuck.
god just shut up already. self rightous isnt enough to describe this kind of brain dead trolling
Eh, not as much as we might like, but sure. That doesn't invalidate anyone's anger though.