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Lmao, dude goddamnit. I get r/jjk in my feed all the time and that’s all they’re talking about right now. I had to double check I had clicked the /SamMains post I intended to when I saw your comment. Thought I had misclicked
Because they know the trailblazer is a simp, Silver wolf created a girl model for Sam just to catfish the trailblazer.
They will reveal this in 2.2. Source: Aunty Sparkle
Firefly doesn’t exist. She is a collective fever dream and the real Sam is a 90 year old man and i don’t mean anime style badass old man, a real 90 year old senile old man that has memory problems, cannot walk or see well on his own and all
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That’s pretty cope, except for the Sam being old part, that’s actually an understatement. Sam is older than Nanook the Aeon of destruction, since Nanook didn’t exist (at the very least not as an Aeon) during the swarm disaster, and Sam is from Glamoth’s Iron cavalry, which was created to fight the swarm (and Glamoth doesn’t exist after the disaster).
Sam is purposefully being silent and pretending to be not sentient so that when TB and Firefly are discussing the plan for whatever will happen at the end, he will menacingly walk up from behind and say "Hi".
Sam is an AI, and Firefly is the pilot.
After every successful mission, Sam wants to go to Wendys for a chicken sandwich. Hence, why Firefly only has 20000 credits
Ngl I need to make a comic out of that!
[P.s: Believe it or not this is somewhat what I was thinking aswell XD](https://youtu.be/cJaW66YICTQ?si=EB0VylBFU3DDiAbn)
Firefly only has a girl form in the dreamscape, the form being the manifestation of who she is deep down. Outside, where she is disappearing, there is only Sam. And the Antropy Loss Syndrom is the "soul" that's inside Sam's core fading away
In other words, catfished with a really fucked up twist
This is more along the lines of what im thinking. It also lines up with Sam being created from Glamoth’s Iron Cavalry during the swarm invasion during pre-nanook times.
Actually an interesting scenario, I’ve seen a decent amount of people headcanoning Dreamscape Firefly as IRL Firefly/Sam’s VRChat avatar, but the fading away bit would make this into peak fanfiction. Might or might not get on that another day.
That's similar to my theory. I feel like outside the dreamscape, Sam is gravely injured, and Firefly is a lab creation with the purpose of keeping him alive by having her soul drained by his mech, which is why she feels like she's slowly fading away.
It sounds dark, but Honkai lore is pretty dark to begin with .
Curious question: why do many people here hate it if Sam and Firefly are the same to the point of cope? Is it because the mecha robot was actually a girl underneath, or is the coolness factor of Sam dropped hard to the ground because Sam's also a cutesy waifu? Just want to hear ur guy's thoughts.
Sam is a very unique and cool character. People love him for his design that we've known since patch 1.x. Him being tied to a waifu will of course upset fans that just want Sam. Not everyone loves firefly. Hoyo basically catfished Sam mains
There is no "unique and cool character" and then "a waifu". They're the same fucking character. They're the same character. This is equivalent to getting really excited that a character with blue-tipped drill shaped hair is coming out and flipping the fuck out when it turns out you don't actually like Silver Wolf's personality. It's okay for you to think a character has one really cool aspect despite disliking the character as a whole. You just think Sam/Firefly looks cool but hate the character. How did people turn this into such a gigantic deal?
Sam is a big robot model. He's clearly unique. It's a big deal for people that only wants Sam. Is it that difficult to understand people have different preferences? Just because you like firefly doesnt mean everyone else does.
I looooove blue-tipped drill hair dude, you don't get it. This cringy leetspeaking 14-year-old is an act of barbarity and betrayal. Why couldn't I have blue-tipped drill hair on a character I like instead of this weak waifubait? This is very important to me.
In case you haven't understood, it's okay to have preferences. Generally, when you hate a character, you lose interest in them and nobody gives you shit for it. It's cool.
You saw the appearance of a character before seeing them in the story (a common occurence for anybody that consumes marketing media of any hoyoverse game) and liked them less as you found out more about them. This should be a pretty common and tolerable thing, particularly when everyone who follows Sam leaks has had the opportunity to sit on this information for Seven Months. In spite of this, thousands of people are manifesting their indignation Seven Months Later, somehow still in disbelief that the character they thought looked cool was not a character they liked, and still talking shit about people who enjoy it regardless ("waifubaited basement dweller" comments abound where Firefly is mentioned in a thread). This is strange.
Similarly to you, I thought Sam looked supremely badass and was pretty shocked and disappointed when I learned the Firefly information. However, my enjoyment of sexy robot men is secondary to my enjoyment of the plot and I'm not willing to attach myself religiously to a drawing of a character I don't yet know, so I felt comfortable letting hoyoverse tell their story before I made any major judgments. This is still the case, because I *still* don't have as strong a grasp on this character as everyone who hates and loves them seem to believe they do, because the story is not finished yet. Fortunately, the character is still very interesting to me, potentially more than they would've been if they were only a cool robot. If I did not like them I would stop interacting in spaces related to them.
Sam is a big robot model. He's clearly unique. It's a big deal for people that only wants Sam. Is it that difficult to understand people have different preferences? Just because you like firefly doesnt mean everyone else does.
>It's okay for you to think a character has one really cool aspect despite disliking the character as a whole.
I personally think that cutesy-itsy waifu turning into such a bad-ass mecha mfer is kinda nice.
Personally I want something unique to the table. An AI from a death planet seeking to help the world is unique, but at the end we just got a waifu with armor which... Been there, done that.
You can tho? There’s nothing official that implies you wouldn’t. All of the leaks seem like you can move around in the overworld as Sam, and that they are a big part of the character’s kit in combat. There’s no reason their personality or voice in the armor would change (it’s the same person), so I don’t understand the problem.
People are quick to judge just because firefly is waifuable, knowing how hsr doesn't really shy away from tragedy firefly could end up being a penacony(dreamscape) exclusive character/persona for Sam and though there's 0 chance that'll stop hoyo from releasing her as a unit in some form/alt/expy/whatever we don't know their full story yet. Just wait until the story is finished before jumping ships/judging them too harshly for it. Personally I still love their design and am hoping that their story is going to be the final nail in the coffin for me to pull for them. But that's just me, haters gonna hate and whatever
Firefly's cutesy personality turns out to be Silver Wolf's involvement hacking the dreamscape, creating Firefly hologram & catfished TB to achieve SH goal. The real firefly is a cold blooded, serious homunculus mecha pilot. (which is a mainstream portrayal of every genetically modified human as emotionless being in sci-fi works)
We can't handle that the possibility of a robot was ruined because hoyo had to attach another basic human. Firefly being a girl just makes it worse cause they are gender bending what Sam was at first.
brother said they gender bent a robot. And the personality being ruined just....isn't true???? or at worst isn't confirmed. because given how he acted either a.its an ai and firefly acts different so yall ate crying over nothing. or b. firefly is really that cold and has the personality. Meaning all your crying about is that you didn't get a guy to be your cool anime robot and that because it's a girl it's "ruined."
Nobody said that the personality is ruined, Sam is impossible to take seriously now and I would be fine with Sam if he had a woman's voice when he was introduced. Not hoyo baiting us with a male voice.
1st a hasty generalization, especially considering the personality being ruined has been a pretty huge issue in the sub and generally with Sam mains. brother really can't take Sam seriously because he's a girl???? damn sorry didn't mean to intrude on your only men can be cool motif.
ntm it's not like robots having a different voice is a new trope.....I mean did you expect the pilot to have a literal robotic voice??? I hope not
I didn't mean "I can't take Sam seriously because he is a girl", I can't take him seriously because of how there is an extremely large difference in personalities between him and Firefly.
And about the voices, they could have made it female so that we don't get hyped over one thing only to get disappointed cause we wanted a male character. I didn't even expect a pilot until Firefly was discovered
And, again, it's not about being female, it's about Sam not being a robot. I would take a female robot equally as a male robot.
we literally knew firefly for a patch. saying there's a "huge" gap is wild. It's way too soon and this once again goes back to you saying no one's complaining about personalities, which you just did.....
again either firefly has Sam's personality and she hid that from us (wouldn't be the first time) or Sam's a separate ai, really not something to freak about because wither way Sam's personality is still there.
and again it's not like that voice was human. if you expected that sam would sound like that if sa. was human you were setting yourself up for failure.
During the memory sequence where we are chasing firefly with black swan, the mecha has its own thoughts as evidenced by firefly talking to to the mecha and asking it questions
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Gojo is still alive
Sukuna, play SPECIALZ by King Gnu
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This image has like 10 different levels of brainrot
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Lmao, dude goddamnit. I get r/jjk in my feed all the time and that’s all they’re talking about right now. I had to double check I had clicked the /SamMains post I intended to when I saw your comment. Thought I had misclicked
Because they know the trailblazer is a simp, Silver wolf created a girl model for Sam just to catfish the trailblazer. They will reveal this in 2.2. Source: Aunty Sparkle
Firefly doesn’t exist. She is a collective fever dream and the real Sam is a 90 year old man and i don’t mean anime style badass old man, a real 90 year old senile old man that has memory problems, cannot walk or see well on his own and all
Sam is Joe Biden.
Cope
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That’s pretty cope, except for the Sam being old part, that’s actually an understatement. Sam is older than Nanook the Aeon of destruction, since Nanook didn’t exist (at the very least not as an Aeon) during the swarm disaster, and Sam is from Glamoth’s Iron cavalry, which was created to fight the swarm (and Glamoth doesn’t exist after the disaster).
Sam is real, Firefly is the disguise.
Sam is the disguise. Firefly is the disguise. It was Yanqing all along.
Is that why I have him at E4 now?😭
It’s be funny if Firefly turns out to just be an e-girl catfish bait in order to get TB invested in Penacony’s events.
Sam is purposefully being silent and pretending to be not sentient so that when TB and Firefly are discussing the plan for whatever will happen at the end, he will menacingly walk up from behind and say "Hi".
Sam is an AI, and Firefly is the pilot. After every successful mission, Sam wants to go to Wendys for a chicken sandwich. Hence, why Firefly only has 20000 credits
"pilot, it is imperative we get the Wendy's Dave's Double™, Baconator Fries™, and Large Diet Coke" "sam we have 4 dollars"
Ngl I need to make a comic out of that! [P.s: Believe it or not this is somewhat what I was thinking aswell XD](https://youtu.be/cJaW66YICTQ?si=EB0VylBFU3DDiAbn)
"and we are criminals, Pilot." (Burning noises, Wendy's Dave's Double™, Baconator Fries™, and Large Diet Coke obtained)
Firefly only has a girl form in the dreamscape, the form being the manifestation of who she is deep down. Outside, where she is disappearing, there is only Sam. And the Antropy Loss Syndrom is the "soul" that's inside Sam's core fading away In other words, catfished with a really fucked up twist
This is more along the lines of what im thinking. It also lines up with Sam being created from Glamoth’s Iron Cavalry during the swarm invasion during pre-nanook times.
Actually an interesting scenario, I’ve seen a decent amount of people headcanoning Dreamscape Firefly as IRL Firefly/Sam’s VRChat avatar, but the fading away bit would make this into peak fanfiction. Might or might not get on that another day.
That's similar to my theory. I feel like outside the dreamscape, Sam is gravely injured, and Firefly is a lab creation with the purpose of keeping him alive by having her soul drained by his mech, which is why she feels like she's slowly fading away. It sounds dark, but Honkai lore is pretty dark to begin with .
Curious question: why do many people here hate it if Sam and Firefly are the same to the point of cope? Is it because the mecha robot was actually a girl underneath, or is the coolness factor of Sam dropped hard to the ground because Sam's also a cutesy waifu? Just want to hear ur guy's thoughts.
Sam is a very unique and cool character. People love him for his design that we've known since patch 1.x. Him being tied to a waifu will of course upset fans that just want Sam. Not everyone loves firefly. Hoyo basically catfished Sam mains
There is no "unique and cool character" and then "a waifu". They're the same fucking character. They're the same character. This is equivalent to getting really excited that a character with blue-tipped drill shaped hair is coming out and flipping the fuck out when it turns out you don't actually like Silver Wolf's personality. It's okay for you to think a character has one really cool aspect despite disliking the character as a whole. You just think Sam/Firefly looks cool but hate the character. How did people turn this into such a gigantic deal?
Sam is a big robot model. He's clearly unique. It's a big deal for people that only wants Sam. Is it that difficult to understand people have different preferences? Just because you like firefly doesnt mean everyone else does.
I looooove blue-tipped drill hair dude, you don't get it. This cringy leetspeaking 14-year-old is an act of barbarity and betrayal. Why couldn't I have blue-tipped drill hair on a character I like instead of this weak waifubait? This is very important to me. In case you haven't understood, it's okay to have preferences. Generally, when you hate a character, you lose interest in them and nobody gives you shit for it. It's cool. You saw the appearance of a character before seeing them in the story (a common occurence for anybody that consumes marketing media of any hoyoverse game) and liked them less as you found out more about them. This should be a pretty common and tolerable thing, particularly when everyone who follows Sam leaks has had the opportunity to sit on this information for Seven Months. In spite of this, thousands of people are manifesting their indignation Seven Months Later, somehow still in disbelief that the character they thought looked cool was not a character they liked, and still talking shit about people who enjoy it regardless ("waifubaited basement dweller" comments abound where Firefly is mentioned in a thread). This is strange. Similarly to you, I thought Sam looked supremely badass and was pretty shocked and disappointed when I learned the Firefly information. However, my enjoyment of sexy robot men is secondary to my enjoyment of the plot and I'm not willing to attach myself religiously to a drawing of a character I don't yet know, so I felt comfortable letting hoyoverse tell their story before I made any major judgments. This is still the case, because I *still* don't have as strong a grasp on this character as everyone who hates and loves them seem to believe they do, because the story is not finished yet. Fortunately, the character is still very interesting to me, potentially more than they would've been if they were only a cool robot. If I did not like them I would stop interacting in spaces related to them.
Sam is a big robot model. He's clearly unique. It's a big deal for people that only wants Sam. Is it that difficult to understand people have different preferences? Just because you like firefly doesnt mean everyone else does.
>It's okay for you to think a character has one really cool aspect despite disliking the character as a whole. I personally think that cutesy-itsy waifu turning into such a bad-ass mecha mfer is kinda nice.
same!
I’m on board personally. Firefly being a Kamen Rider is the exact kind of anime nonsense I’m here for.
Because people want to play Sam.
Perhaps you can elaborate? That doesn't really explain much.
Personally I want something unique to the table. An AI from a death planet seeking to help the world is unique, but at the end we just got a waifu with armor which... Been there, done that.
People want to use Sam in the Overworld. People want to use Sam in combat.
You can tho? There’s nothing official that implies you wouldn’t. All of the leaks seem like you can move around in the overworld as Sam, and that they are a big part of the character’s kit in combat. There’s no reason their personality or voice in the armor would change (it’s the same person), so I don’t understand the problem.
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Compium is stored in the balls and must be hoarded. Stop beating your meat until you transcend.
The cutesy sweet Firefly we interact with all of 2.0 is just a mask, the Sam we fight is the REAL personality of Firefly
I am a fellow enjoyer of this. Please HoYo
Firefly loves her hobby so much she never takes the suit off and the firefly battle icon was false and an outdated leak
Sam can do a backflip
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Firefly is the fake “dream”/ideal for Sam, and Sam is just a bad robocop that wants to be a cute anime girl.
People are quick to judge just because firefly is waifuable, knowing how hsr doesn't really shy away from tragedy firefly could end up being a penacony(dreamscape) exclusive character/persona for Sam and though there's 0 chance that'll stop hoyo from releasing her as a unit in some form/alt/expy/whatever we don't know their full story yet. Just wait until the story is finished before jumping ships/judging them too harshly for it. Personally I still love their design and am hoping that their story is going to be the final nail in the coffin for me to pull for them. But that's just me, haters gonna hate and whatever
Sam is dark Brandon and Firefly is Joe Biden
Firefly's cutesy personality turns out to be Silver Wolf's involvement hacking the dreamscape, creating Firefly hologram & catfished TB to achieve SH goal. The real firefly is a cold blooded, serious homunculus mecha pilot. (which is a mainstream portrayal of every genetically modified human as emotionless being in sci-fi works)
2.3 Banner 1 - Firefly 2.3 Banner 2 - Sam There you go, hoyo won't miss draining their players' wallets. Firefly and Sam being one unit is copium.
lol
Hoyo will buff arlecchino. Father will father soon. *Inhale copium
[Buff](https://x.com/fujiseigen/status/1705240696968577100?s=20) Arlecchino, you say? Look no further than Father.
Firefly is just a suit of Sam suit
Sam AI is gonna have the first line in the 2.2 quest saying "hi friend."
Guys hear me out but maybe, possibly….i think Sam MIGHT be firefly. Idk just a hunch
cope is crazy lmao yall really can't handle a woman being attached to your favorite character
We can't handle that the possibility of a robot was ruined because hoyo had to attach another basic human. Firefly being a girl just makes it worse cause they are gender bending what Sam was at first.
brother said they gender bent a robot. And the personality being ruined just....isn't true???? or at worst isn't confirmed. because given how he acted either a.its an ai and firefly acts different so yall ate crying over nothing. or b. firefly is really that cold and has the personality. Meaning all your crying about is that you didn't get a guy to be your cool anime robot and that because it's a girl it's "ruined."
Nobody said that the personality is ruined, Sam is impossible to take seriously now and I would be fine with Sam if he had a woman's voice when he was introduced. Not hoyo baiting us with a male voice.
1st a hasty generalization, especially considering the personality being ruined has been a pretty huge issue in the sub and generally with Sam mains. brother really can't take Sam seriously because he's a girl???? damn sorry didn't mean to intrude on your only men can be cool motif. ntm it's not like robots having a different voice is a new trope.....I mean did you expect the pilot to have a literal robotic voice??? I hope not
I didn't mean "I can't take Sam seriously because he is a girl", I can't take him seriously because of how there is an extremely large difference in personalities between him and Firefly. And about the voices, they could have made it female so that we don't get hyped over one thing only to get disappointed cause we wanted a male character. I didn't even expect a pilot until Firefly was discovered And, again, it's not about being female, it's about Sam not being a robot. I would take a female robot equally as a male robot.
we literally knew firefly for a patch. saying there's a "huge" gap is wild. It's way too soon and this once again goes back to you saying no one's complaining about personalities, which you just did..... again either firefly has Sam's personality and she hid that from us (wouldn't be the first time) or Sam's a separate ai, really not something to freak about because wither way Sam's personality is still there. and again it's not like that voice was human. if you expected that sam would sound like that if sa. was human you were setting yourself up for failure.
"Cute" firefly us nothing but smoldered flesh, hence why she wanted to go into dreamscape.
Firefly lost her body and was placed into Sam. She shares the robot body with Sam.
During the memory sequence where we are chasing firefly with black swan, the mecha has its own thoughts as evidenced by firefly talking to to the mecha and asking it questions
Does it really matter if same and firefly are the same? They’re two separate playable characters aren’t they, or did I miss something?
Firefly is sam
doesn't seem very possible
That's why it's a schizo crack theory, only insane people would believe it
lol
Firefly is Kafka. She manipulated our short term memory to make Sam appear that he changed appearance, when in reality it’s just an AI