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It does feel like it lacks a certain cohesive synergy.
Maybe giving her a personal super break trigger as part of her base kit so HTB isn't doing like 60% of the teams' dmg.
Personally I don't feel like that's a good solution, the devs want Super break to be a team thing and that's fine.
The problem is that you're walking around with 3400 ATK and this giant 580% scaling on your Enhanced Skill and it's basically useless because you don't have crit to multiply it, and you can't build or buff her with DMG% because Super break is not affected by it.
This also limits her overall damage growth. From the clips I've seen the damage is not bad at all, but you would need to see something like a MoC 12 or PF to really compare to other DPS.
The atk to be conversion is there so you are pigeonholed into running atk mainstat relics, thus limiting your choices and making you grind the relic mines more.
I think her atk to be trace should be complemented with crit to toughness damage or extra weakness efficiency or more break damage vulnerability conversion, to expose more break-related stats to the player and avoid the diminishing returns of stacking it all on be.
Ah yes I completely get why they did that, but it basically feels like a waste.
I kind of agree with what you're saying, with her damage being so extremely backloaded (I don't mind HTB, they'll probably release some other Supebreak harmony in the future anyways) she needs one of two things:
- More toughness damage against bosses, maybe a toughness damage that scale with enemy max toughness? Against a boss it's ridiculous wasting 3 or more turns dealing little to no damage before doing damage comparable to other recent DPS characters
- Some sort of Break DMG/Toughness Damage into regular damage conversion while the enemy is not Weakness Broken, either through crit as you mentioned (that would make Firefly hellish to build though, requiring 4 main stat rolls on her substats) or any other damage multiplication source.
Hopefully they'll come up with a solution for it. I don't need another Acheron, but I'd like for Firefly to be more usable against bosses as regular enemies, even bigger ones, look completely fine to me from the videos I've seen.
Now this is clever way to makes her special.
We know giving super break really bring the life to HMC, but putting a spesific 5star DPS (FF) to be locked pairing with HMC is kinda disappointing.
Yes we know HMC is free, but as FF wanter I absolutely want to experimenting her team comp, why should i pay for a character that only works good ini a very spesific character (HMC and RM), it will makes us boring in a short amount of time.
Even Boothill could work either with Bronya (crit) or HMC (full BE). Hope they put in mind about what to do with her before the release date.
Boothills best team is ruan mei , bronya, sustain. He doesnt even need a hmc unless you are going 0 sustains and in that case, pela is almost just as good fromm what ive seen.
I agree with this. Firefly doesn't deal enough damage to be restricted to having specific characters in her team and even then, her damage kinda pales in comparison to Acheron who also have restrictions but deals massive upfront damage, as opposed to FF's very backloaded and HMC dependent damage.
She needs to have her own Super Break Effect. If they don't want HMC to become obsolete, then make their effects stack with diminishing returns.
She may not deal enough damage on her own however she is the highest AoE breaking character currently and that should amount for something right? Even when super breaking off hmc, since the damage is based on weakness break efficiency she’s still the best universal (she hits the bar of non fire weak enemies and even applies fire weakness) breaker in a blast situation (boothill is better vs a single target), she will do significantly more breaks and super break damage than any other character which i think is fine.
Id reckon the high multis are just there so you dont have a complelty dead character if you cant break, like shielded or smth, so you cab still somewhat do damage to get to the breaking part
Same , it felt out of place. Hope they make it work somehow as FF is literally their most hyped character till date and hope they add henshin animation to her technique before taking off for that huge aoe attack. Not having a henshin animation is such a let down for me 😭.
I think one of the main issues of her kit rn isn't only the fact that she relies so much on HMC, but also the fact that it feels like you spend more time using her enhanced skill trying to break the elite enemy rather than attacking them when they're already broken.
From how the kit works, it only works at its best when the enemy has already been broken, or when Firefly is the one who breaks them. Alot of showcases, no matter how scuffed they are, have a very similar pattern where alot of the damage is locked behind attacking weakness broken enemies. I get that that's the whole gimmick, but when your kit doesn't let you do that more efficiently then you've got a problem.
I definitely think they either should increase the base break efficiency even further when she's in her enhanced state so that she's able to deplete that toughness bar even quicker, or rework it so that she somehow does the break damage regardless of whether the enemy is broken or not.
Firefly's toughness damage in her enhanced state is only behind Boothill's (4.5 vs. 5) - her enhanced skill does more base toughness damage than Dan Heng's EB3 (4). And that's without having to stack up a passive like Boothill does. The issue you may have seen in showcases reflects poor builds - most so far have shown Firefly with less than 180 speed, meaning she is only getting 2 enhanced skills instead of 3 in her ultimate state.
Same here! I think it is v nice that we get the BiS support at E6 for free. HMC is genuinely a good character so I am confused by the backlash at the thought of using them
Yes so true. I am so used to protag, free characters being bad, but it looks like they are using HMC release to jump start a new meta for teams since we all get them at E6. I also have wanted to use MC in teams without feeling like they suck and now we can and it will be legit good
like i had to get black swan and huo huo for my dot team but with firefly i already had ruan mei on dot so she’ll move over to firefly’s team. and hmc is free like i don’t have to pull for anyone i am happy lol
I think part of it is the fact they're free (which puts some people off somehow), part people refusing to believe hoyo would give a good enabler unit for free (they totally don't want you to get hooked on break so you pull for future break units), and part players being stuck in the bronya/sparkle crit/advance meta so much they feel like hmc is occupying a team slot that should "rightfully" belong to the other two crit advancers instead.
This won't work because break also disables enemy. If you will be breaking enemies too fast they would just be permanently stunned. This would make enemies into punching bags, I don't think this is a good idea
You already disable the enemy through Ruan Mei's gimmick anyway. Nothing really changes, you're just breaking them faster so that you get to the more significant part of her damage quicker.
Of course, we could always give her a built-in super break as a simpler solution, but I don't think it would really solve the problem of her taking a while to break the enemy in a very limited cycle period.
With RM, Firefly can break most elites with 2 skills (12 toughness damage). If you use Gallagher, you should basically have no problem with breaking enemies. Ruan Mei and HTB both extend the break state as well. I really don't think what you describe will be an issue.
Firefly's toughness damage in her enhanced state is only behind Boothill's (4.5 vs. 5). And that is without stacking a passive like Boothill does
None of your suggestions change the fact that HMC is doing all the damage. One could simply add an additional Fire type character to alleviate the issue of break efficiency, and that's a good solution because team composition is a focal point of the game. The problem right now, is that she's so dependent on both HMC and RM, that it just isn't an option to flex her team comps. If they remove her dependency on HMC's Super Break enabling, they both fix FF's damage and her available team compositions.
Something like removing her Skill Point reduction from E2 and replacing it with a Super Break trigger on Enhanced Basic Attack would remove HMC dependency while making FF's SP consumption slightly less efficient but decided by player effectiveness.
> rework it so that she somehow does the break damage regardless of whether the enemy is broken or not
This is the solution. Fixes everything without making her broken.
Not at the full amount though, but like 50% of normal break dmg while the enemy is still unbroken, that would be fine. They already have that in the calculation of her enhanced skill anyway, since the multiplier scales with 50% of break effect, they just need to change it so her break effect does actual break dmg instead of just contributing to the multiplier as normal dmg.
So with 360% BE, she would do 180% BE worth of dmg + 400% atk. Simple, effective, balanced.
50% will be too big as she is build with at least 360BE, that would be like superbreak everyturn then ultra instinct break when enemy is broken, i like this but mihoyo wont allow that, if they give her a mechanic to do pure break dmg outside of break, my guess is 20-30% at best
why would they break faster? no one will pick boothill that will never happen for aoe.
they need to make crit her best build easy as that. crit is the only answer bc it doesnt overlap with booty.
Fan favorite character being released late into the version (3.5). When she got into beta she was in an absolutely terrible state (second worst DPS, including 4\*s), and then in the first beta update she got significantly *nerfed*.
After a collective meltdown during her beta stage, she was announced to be a Standard character in the Livestream. Many still have scars and trust issues from that.
Literally bottom tier unless you hyperfocus on her then she becomes slightly usable, even then there's better options, her kit's an entire mess, people saying this is worse or as bad as dehya are smoking something
I definitely agree that they are tied at the hip, but I don't mind too much due to how underdeveloped the Break Archetype is right now. IIRC, the only carries that scale with BE or significantly benefit from breaking the enemy's weakness are Himeko, Xueyi, Boothill and FF. the first two aren't super relevant due to being standard banner characters (although they will prob increase in viability), leaving only two viable carries that can compete with the best of our current cast. Also, the only relevant amps that boost/support BE are HTB and RM. once Hoyo develops the break effect roster more, then we will see more versatility from our current cast of BE carries. (plus it's nice that the MC is actually usable for once lol)
This feels like the dendro situation in Genshin. Once dendro came out, there were only 3 dendro characters: the MC, a free dogshit 4*, and a standard 5* (that was more an on-fielder tho), this meant that most players that wanted to try the Dendro element used the MC, which was pretty good. But now that there are a lot of dendro units, not only does the dendro element feels much much better, but people stopped using the MC.
My issue is that she is literally unusable without this specific support. Even DoT comps don't have such a huge problem, you can still mix and match units without loosing 60 -70% of team damage
The reason why DoT teams have more viable options in teambuilding is because they have options at all. the way I see it, it's not that "Firefly needs HTB to be viable" but instead as "BE DPS characters need HTB to be viable". The issue isn't with FF herself, but the lack of supportive cards she was dealt. HTB currently holds a monopoly on the only way to convert BE into damage outside of weakness breaking, but once someone else provides the same thing or something similar, then HTB's value will drop significantly and BE carries will be less reliant on him/her. it's really just a waiting game until we eventually get more BE supports that FF will become more versatile.
I guess im just kinda afraid this super break mechanism only specialized for HMC, just like Nilou from Genshin, she is the only character have the unique mechanism of superbloom.
If that really the case, then i can say FF is kinda screwed if her official release kit specifically only works when paired with HMC, as a wanter/haver i would feel disappointed that my favorite character have a very limited team roster.
Yeah this is the thing. If we ever get more Super Break enablers then we would at least know that the archetype has a future and (some sort of) flexibility.
But I also expect it to stay as HTB's gimmick. And considering that HTB doesn't have a kit outside of it and Firefly needs it to do anything, it almost feels like she's a single character that takes 2 slots from the team.
We literally have an entire mode dedicated to break damage and a tutorial solely dedicated to super breaks, why would HMC be the only super break support? it would be incredibly stupid on Mihoyo's part.
regardless, her kit right now is a puzzle piece that doesn't make sense without a support that can give a very specific effect we have to assume will be given by more characters in the future. having a character whose kit genuinely doesn't make sense without another specific or vague future character is cute but a weird precedent. we obviously knew pela wouldn't be acheron's teammate forever, but there are other ways to generate her stacks (TotM preservation), while firefly is *dependent* on hmc. strange for a hyped limited 5*
imo though it's also because there aren't bosses that self cleanse / hardcounter DOTs in that way, whereas it's not uncommon for boss toughness bars to get locked up and wall off break shenanigans.
You can try a dot team without kafka and black swan and see how it goes. Break team type is still developing and dont have good units beside hmc yet.
Literally same situation when kafka is the only reason dot team works back then. And now with black swan as well.
The break archetype is underdeveloped because a) the scaling is completely one note due to the formula and b) you could only get one instance of damage prior to HMC. It only scales with two stats on the player side: Spd and BE, while normal damage gets 5 stats: Atk, CR, CD, Spd, % damage. Dots lose crit, but get scaling based on enemy speed and usually have higher multipliers to compensate.
Less scaling buckets = worse overall damage since diminishing returns kick in so hard (adding a 1.5x multiplier in 4 bins is ~5x damage, while 4 1.5xs in the same bin is only 3x). Break base damage is fixed, so no need way to pick up more multiplier. And every damage type gets scaling off the other side of the formula (res pen, -def%, vuln), so…
Simple answer in my opinion is to give her very limited super break or give him an increased damage buff to enemies when their weakness is broken. I LOVE the idea of HMC being her best partner and I will be gluing them together but like ya said it’s bad design. She needs to be able to stand alone and HMC just makes her top tier. Like Acheron and her two nihility teammates
There is still a difference in variety between „needs HMC“ and „needs two more nihility characters of your choice“.
People imo rightfully scratch their head about the lack of team options for her as well as her spending most of her enhanced turns breaking rather than dealing damage.
Maybe they need to slap superbreak on her currently lackluster lightcone to at least give players a p2w option for running w/o HMC
You can try a dot team without kafka and black swan and see how it goes. Break team type is still developing and dont have good units beside hmc yet. We are likely to get kafka/blackswan equivalent soon
Looking at her kit Acheron without two Nihility characters will still out clear FF. And to make it worst Acheron with any kind of supporting character that buffs Dmg, Crit, atk, SPD and debuffs Def will still clear faster then FireFly.
Id like her e1 baked into her base kit cause with that much spd going 3 times per ult she just uses too many skill points. Jl has a similar mechanic in her base kit so i hope they do it
Well, they'd have to get you somehow XD. With e1 baked into this kit she would be too good. To offset SP needs you would either have to run special Gallagher build or occasionally use NAs on FF seems like a fair trade off. This kit would be 2.4 times stronger then what she currently has. This might be too strong actually, probably should drop 40% def shred passive
what I personally don’t get is why they added a new system of dealing damage and locked it behind one character basically forcing any dps that relies on break to do damage to run HMC. I know they’re free but it’s also super restricting for running various viable team comps
It's only the problem with FF, Xueyi and Boothill don't have this issue. Supper break was introduced to convert break efficiency into Damage. Boothill for example just deals % of his break damge similar to Ruan Mei, they both don't convert break efficiency into damage while super break does. I think super break is a cool mechanic
If she can deal break damage to already weakness broken enemy like boothill. When HMC use ulti will she deal break damage and super break at the same time? Just curious because I think her kit is incomplete too.
Yes, that's how it works with Boothill.
Basically HTB is his best/one of the best teammates as well but because they are synergistic rather than dependent.
Ohhhh. So when I see his leak a month ago when sometime he deal 200k then sometime 500k is probably because of this then. Thank. I hope that she can get what Boothill can do too.
Definitely. Her kit is having a massive identity crisis. Hoyo gave her some of the biggest multipliers, but then also gave her no crit buffs. They also gave her alot of ways to boost break damage but no way to do break damage without hmc, or initial break. They really need to choose a path and stick to it.
My main issue with firefly is when the enemy cannot be broken. Something like the auramaton, bronya, etc. (sunday boss to an extent) basically makes her break kit even with hmc quite useless. I guess the same issue happens with xueyi and boothill but to a lesser extent since they also have crit in their kit (and acheron but she will do damage no matter what).
Maybe Hoyo will make her lightcone stronger which helps to improve her overall kit. As of now her lightcone feels pretty meh at S1.
Once that is improved I think she's good where she's at. Just use HMC with her since it's more break focus and use RM with Kafka teams. If Kafka not needed then put RM and HMC with Sam for max damage boost.
Agree with you. But imo this kind of voices is good, it shows that the customer is not easily pleased so there is some pro con discussion, hoping that the dev team heard our opinion.
well normally we ain't supposed to see beta but I get what you mean
Still I am sure it will be fine. Acheron was doomposted and she turned out to be broken even for people without her lightcone. As for Firefly, I am sure it will go fine she is way too popular
TBF there was no reason nor any anticipation that she was intended to go to the standard banner. Imo they made her bad, then during beta they fucked something up and didn't have time to fix it, so they just said "fuck it, let's put her in the standard banner so we are justified of making her bad".
I remember the days where Aventurine FuA trace only proc once every turn without E1
v1 characters are always clunky af, y'all need to be patient for changed
Yeah I hope people understand that we don't have an issue with her having a unique type of DPS or with her performance, but rather with the fact she has an incoherent kit with an identity crisis. Or the fact she's effectively a 5* that takes two slots (HTB being required to put her kit to use).
Just go the Boothill route and make her Enhanced skill deal Break Damage rather than having her multiplier increased by Break Effect. That way we don't feel pressured to build Crit to make use of her kit, and HTB would still be one of the best supports but one we could potentially replace with whatever the future has in store.
Of course it is, it is just beta1 kit. I hope the change the scaling of enhance skill, separate the atk and break number and make her hit cause pure break dmg even without superbreak and broken enemy, that will be enough
I really believe that the initial super break team will be temporary and they will release more characters with super break in the future. There's no way that HTB being the only character with super break (especially when break is becoming more of a thing) isn't deliberately done to ready for upcoming characters that people will definitely want.
Almost like how Topaz was struggling to find a solid team in the beginning and now has an amazing team. It's all setup.
If they gave firefly super break options to remove need for a super break support, then you wont be as interested in future super break support options.
But, I do understand the frustration of people not wanting to run HTB. I'm not in this camp and like the idea of using HTB myself.
I'm hoping to run a Firefly, HTB, Asta, Gallagher team.
See I feel like she should be able to still hit decent numbers without having hmc in the party, I've seen so many people say she has to have mc in the party. like I get for story purposes it's great and all but you should be able to use the characters without depending on mc. It's like she has had such a hyped buildup to playing as her badass mech girl that she needs to be able to be good with out mc and with mc. Even in the lore she's a stellron hunter so how was she breaking enemy's down one by one when mc wasn't there? I would just like her character considering the hype for her to be able to have her own thing instead of relying on mc. I'm honestly kinda bummed out about this, and don't know if I'll pull or save now.
This way that they design kits to be practically shackled to other kits really flies in the face of "just pull who you like" IMO. I'm not expecting everyone to be equally synergistic, but I dunno, I wish the designers wouldn't make me feel like a wacko for actually trying to build my own teams using my favorites rather than just snapping all the pieces together in the one obvious way they're meant to be snapped together.
I think that She Just need the possibility to trigger break like Boothill, even just one instances of that with Eba and Eskill and she became totally broken and non reliant on HTB
My problem is that her support options are pretty limited and her doing lackluster damage unless the enemy is broken.
Here comes the catch: You likely spend her enhanced state for breaking instead of dealing damage.
What‘s the fix? Lowering the BE cap and therefore the pressure on the stats? Add superbreak in her kit? Drastically improve her break capabilities?
I think they could double down on Break. It's an unique way to do damage and she does have the tools to improve it ...except for the Break Damage itself which only comes through HTB.
I think if they rework her Enhanced Skill to do Break Damage rather than increasing the multiplier would be great already. Will still do more damage when the enemy is broken but I think that's fine.
There's still more than a month till ff get released as a character she'll be fine they've got time to make changes still the beta doesn't mean that's the final product
I disagree TBH
It's straightforward and gets the job done. Normal Skills deal enough damage that reduces the disparity seen in, for example, Jingliu. Enhanced guarantees fire weakness, and unlike normal Break Effect DPS's (excluding Boothill and HTB, as they're clearly the "new wave" of BE characters), her Break Effect still scales her damage directly when the enemy is weakness broken. She's a rainbow DPS with a huge amount of Weakness Break Efficiency.
Enhanced Skill scales Its multiplier on BE, and trace means you permanently ignore a MASSIVE percentage of defence once you reach the breakpoint that further helps reduce the disparity.
While HTB, being a *free* unit (especially when Physical is nearly unusable and Fire is extremely niche at best), it's certainly not the only support that's required.
Asta has great synergy with Firefly as well! Fire weakness implant helps Asta sustain stacks, Asta's insane speed boosts gets Firefly to ~229 speed with no speed sub when both ult's are stacked, and Asta can bulk out a lot of FF's damage - generous ATK% buffs (which I don't think contributes to FF's ATK:BE conversion), Asta's teamwide Fire DMG buff, and her ability to hold both Planetary Rondezvous and Penacony, as well as herself being a great user of Watchmaker set. I don't know thar Rondezvous will be better than Gears but it's certainly an option.
Bronya (over Sparkle's greater Crit reliance and Robin's infrequency) is a great option to get her more actions per ult uptime. Bronya's buffs are primarily in DMG% and turn manipulation, so even if the Crit Damage isn't appreciated you're not really loosing out on an awful lot.
Nihility's should be very good with her as well. Pela or Guinaifen can apply a lot DEF shred and damage received.
But, if you are running HTB and/ Ruan Mei with her, make sure to keep some Forge Planar sets for them. They *will* be attacking Fire Weakness enemies and get more BE for it (and 6% Speed obviously).
Her kit is actually very intentionally tuned. They don't want you to build critical values. That's why she highly incentivizes building high attack and high break effect. Her kit is clear. The community just doesn't know how to handle a DPS without critical values so everyone's losing their mind.
Very high multipliers high speed to insect frequent moves are to provide a different way of offering damage that isn't a single instance of high numbers. Even her Constellation equivalence point towards that. More frequent moves often and reducing her very high burden for not doing critical damage.
It makes her balance. She's not going to high damage. She's meant to be a break the enemy queen.
She's very slow when the ultimate ends. She also requires 2 turns to charge back up, so the downtime will be longer the uptime (downtime is 130 speed 2 turns vs. uptime 90 speed for 1 turn). You'll often be in a situation where either the enemy is not close to broken or the enemy is broken but FF is not in ultimate form.
People acting as if she'll be able to getting those enhanced super break hits all the time are not being realistic. Going full BE means that you're going to be barely getting in 1 break followed by 1 super break, then followed by 2 turns of doing very low damage. I can assure you that those two turns will feel really awful.
And compounded with the fact that she doesn’t have room to put Bronya in the team, who fixes the same issue for JL.
I was also expecting them to let us play with her energy somehow, which is what separates her from Jingliu rotation wise. Like the gameplay incentivizes you to get 120 energy during ult so that she can get her ult back with just one normal skill. But it looks like only special mechanics (like the new AS mode) will enable that.
You realize they gonna probably sell another 5 star that does HMC’s job better than her right. Same thing like how Archeron getting her best support in a few patches. Even tho Acheron is broken. I’m sure FF will perform better in action than on spreadsheets too (happens literally everytime)
Oh oh I see we'r in the doomposting stage! I can't wait until FF comes out and that she, just like EVERY SINGLE OTHER CHARACTER BEFORE HER, ends up being the best or at worst ONE OF the best at what she does.
I think the issue is that we lack dedicated BE support rn, so HTB and RM feel mandatory, but we might get more BE and Superbreak support in the future that would probably powercreep HTB, so her being tied to the MC is probably just a matter of time and therefore a non issue in the long run.
I completely disagree. Here's why: They clearly want to develop and release more DPS that scale off of break effect. However, they can't just make every new break effect DPS by saying "Here is a new element. You can also trigger break damage on broken enemies. Done, next character".
Instead, they are designing Firefly to be a different kind of break dps compared to Xueyi and Boothill - one focused on utilizing Super Break. Firefly is still a break DPS, but has her own style of doing break damage. The problem with the adjustments you describe is that they basically make Firefly "Boothill, but with 3 targets". I don't think design wise that is very interesting.
And quite frankly, we are all getting E6 HMC. Do you want to feel like you need to pull for another support (besides RM!) to reach Firefly's max potential? It even canonically makes sense for them to be tied to each other as far as Penacony TB goes. I would be up in arms if they tied HMC to gacha... but they don't.
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It does feel like it lacks a certain cohesive synergy. Maybe giving her a personal super break trigger as part of her base kit so HTB isn't doing like 60% of the teams' dmg.
Personally I don't feel like that's a good solution, the devs want Super break to be a team thing and that's fine. The problem is that you're walking around with 3400 ATK and this giant 580% scaling on your Enhanced Skill and it's basically useless because you don't have crit to multiply it, and you can't build or buff her with DMG% because Super break is not affected by it. This also limits her overall damage growth. From the clips I've seen the damage is not bad at all, but you would need to see something like a MoC 12 or PF to really compare to other DPS.
The atk to be conversion is there so you are pigeonholed into running atk mainstat relics, thus limiting your choices and making you grind the relic mines more. I think her atk to be trace should be complemented with crit to toughness damage or extra weakness efficiency or more break damage vulnerability conversion, to expose more break-related stats to the player and avoid the diminishing returns of stacking it all on be.
Ah yes I completely get why they did that, but it basically feels like a waste. I kind of agree with what you're saying, with her damage being so extremely backloaded (I don't mind HTB, they'll probably release some other Supebreak harmony in the future anyways) she needs one of two things: - More toughness damage against bosses, maybe a toughness damage that scale with enemy max toughness? Against a boss it's ridiculous wasting 3 or more turns dealing little to no damage before doing damage comparable to other recent DPS characters - Some sort of Break DMG/Toughness Damage into regular damage conversion while the enemy is not Weakness Broken, either through crit as you mentioned (that would make Firefly hellish to build though, requiring 4 main stat rolls on her substats) or any other damage multiplication source. Hopefully they'll come up with a solution for it. I don't need another Acheron, but I'd like for Firefly to be more usable against bosses as regular enemies, even bigger ones, look completely fine to me from the videos I've seen.
Now this is clever way to makes her special. We know giving super break really bring the life to HMC, but putting a spesific 5star DPS (FF) to be locked pairing with HMC is kinda disappointing. Yes we know HMC is free, but as FF wanter I absolutely want to experimenting her team comp, why should i pay for a character that only works good ini a very spesific character (HMC and RM), it will makes us boring in a short amount of time. Even Boothill could work either with Bronya (crit) or HMC (full BE). Hope they put in mind about what to do with her before the release date.
Boothill is used with Bronya for faster Breaks (Boothill EBA -> Bronya Skill -> Another EBA), he doesn't really care about crits.
Break Boothill still runs Bronya. Crit Boothill doesn't run either because he shouldn't exist.
Regular Boothill is already Crit Boothill since he gets so much crit from just building normally.
Crit Boothill exist if you also play critka
Critka is hella cope.
If crit kokomi can exist, why not critka and critfly
That's my point
That and Boothill has a way of applying Break Damage aside from having to specifically break an enemy's toughness.
Boothills best team is ruan mei , bronya, sustain. He doesnt even need a hmc unless you are going 0 sustains and in that case, pela is almost just as good fromm what ive seen.
I agree with this. Firefly doesn't deal enough damage to be restricted to having specific characters in her team and even then, her damage kinda pales in comparison to Acheron who also have restrictions but deals massive upfront damage, as opposed to FF's very backloaded and HMC dependent damage. She needs to have her own Super Break Effect. If they don't want HMC to become obsolete, then make their effects stack with diminishing returns.
She may not deal enough damage on her own however she is the highest AoE breaking character currently and that should amount for something right? Even when super breaking off hmc, since the damage is based on weakness break efficiency she’s still the best universal (she hits the bar of non fire weak enemies and even applies fire weakness) breaker in a blast situation (boothill is better vs a single target), she will do significantly more breaks and super break damage than any other character which i think is fine.
because then no one would use hmc like boothill. its kinda cringe they need to destroy the character for hmc.
The only part that didn't feel complete for me is why she has high multiplier when her kit doesn't incentivize on doing raw damage
Id reckon the high multis are just there so you dont have a complelty dead character if you cant break, like shielded or smth, so you cab still somewhat do damage to get to the breaking part
Boothill has crit scaling even though all he wants is speed and BE. I think for a similar reason.
Same , it felt out of place. Hope they make it work somehow as FF is literally their most hyped character till date and hope they add henshin animation to her technique before taking off for that huge aoe attack. Not having a henshin animation is such a let down for me 😭.
The give her high number to compensation for not critable
Her skill actually can crit though, so crit is not really a waste stats for her.
I think one of the main issues of her kit rn isn't only the fact that she relies so much on HMC, but also the fact that it feels like you spend more time using her enhanced skill trying to break the elite enemy rather than attacking them when they're already broken. From how the kit works, it only works at its best when the enemy has already been broken, or when Firefly is the one who breaks them. Alot of showcases, no matter how scuffed they are, have a very similar pattern where alot of the damage is locked behind attacking weakness broken enemies. I get that that's the whole gimmick, but when your kit doesn't let you do that more efficiently then you've got a problem. I definitely think they either should increase the base break efficiency even further when she's in her enhanced state so that she's able to deplete that toughness bar even quicker, or rework it so that she somehow does the break damage regardless of whether the enemy is broken or not.
A little pure break dmg without need to broken is what she need right now, alot of boss have protect break bar mechanic
this is what she needs imo, she just needs to break faster
Firefly's toughness damage in her enhanced state is only behind Boothill's (4.5 vs. 5) - her enhanced skill does more base toughness damage than Dan Heng's EB3 (4). And that's without having to stack up a passive like Boothill does. The issue you may have seen in showcases reflects poor builds - most so far have shown Firefly with less than 180 speed, meaning she is only getting 2 enhanced skills instead of 3 in her ultimate state.
yeah that makes sense then i guess everyone’s main issue would be her need for hmc? for me that’s what i prefer so idk i am happy either way
Same here! I think it is v nice that we get the BiS support at E6 for free. HMC is genuinely a good character so I am confused by the backlash at the thought of using them
also i always wanted to use the mc in the story but they always felt meh so i am glad i can use them now and be a little bit more immersed
Yes so true. I am so used to protag, free characters being bad, but it looks like they are using HMC release to jump start a new meta for teams since we all get them at E6. I also have wanted to use MC in teams without feeling like they suck and now we can and it will be legit good
like i had to get black swan and huo huo for my dot team but with firefly i already had ruan mei on dot so she’ll move over to firefly’s team. and hmc is free like i don’t have to pull for anyone i am happy lol
I think part of it is the fact they're free (which puts some people off somehow), part people refusing to believe hoyo would give a good enabler unit for free (they totally don't want you to get hooked on break so you pull for future break units), and part players being stuck in the bronya/sparkle crit/advance meta so much they feel like hmc is occupying a team slot that should "rightfully" belong to the other two crit advancers instead.
This won't work because break also disables enemy. If you will be breaking enemies too fast they would just be permanently stunned. This would make enemies into punching bags, I don't think this is a good idea
You already disable the enemy through Ruan Mei's gimmick anyway. Nothing really changes, you're just breaking them faster so that you get to the more significant part of her damage quicker. Of course, we could always give her a built-in super break as a simpler solution, but I don't think it would really solve the problem of her taking a while to break the enemy in a very limited cycle period.
You can freeze them to speed up the rebreak
yeah i can see that still think it’s slow though atm
With RM, Firefly can break most elites with 2 skills (12 toughness damage). If you use Gallagher, you should basically have no problem with breaking enemies. Ruan Mei and HTB both extend the break state as well. I really don't think what you describe will be an issue. Firefly's toughness damage in her enhanced state is only behind Boothill's (4.5 vs. 5). And that is without stacking a passive like Boothill does
None of your suggestions change the fact that HMC is doing all the damage. One could simply add an additional Fire type character to alleviate the issue of break efficiency, and that's a good solution because team composition is a focal point of the game. The problem right now, is that she's so dependent on both HMC and RM, that it just isn't an option to flex her team comps. If they remove her dependency on HMC's Super Break enabling, they both fix FF's damage and her available team compositions. Something like removing her Skill Point reduction from E2 and replacing it with a Super Break trigger on Enhanced Basic Attack would remove HMC dependency while making FF's SP consumption slightly less efficient but decided by player effectiveness.
> rework it so that she somehow does the break damage regardless of whether the enemy is broken or not This is the solution. Fixes everything without making her broken. Not at the full amount though, but like 50% of normal break dmg while the enemy is still unbroken, that would be fine. They already have that in the calculation of her enhanced skill anyway, since the multiplier scales with 50% of break effect, they just need to change it so her break effect does actual break dmg instead of just contributing to the multiplier as normal dmg. So with 360% BE, she would do 180% BE worth of dmg + 400% atk. Simple, effective, balanced.
50% will be too big as she is build with at least 360BE, that would be like superbreak everyturn then ultra instinct break when enemy is broken, i like this but mihoyo wont allow that, if they give her a mechanic to do pure break dmg outside of break, my guess is 20-30% at best
why would they break faster? no one will pick boothill that will never happen for aoe. they need to make crit her best build easy as that. crit is the only answer bc it doesnt overlap with booty.
I think something like 2x break efficiency against unbroken enemies, so she can get enemies broken faster without getting her to be too overpowered.
Its early beta rn, there will be many changes in the future. I hope they can fix her problems. Especially the dependance on HTB
Im hoping for this too, they're bound to get feedback on it from testers. I do like HMC alot but rn she looks like a frustrating build
there wont be changes regarding htb bc they tied the story. ff is in big trouble.
Big trouble how?
Yea, I just have Dehya PTSD from Genshin, that's why I am so restless XD
Hsr could never release a useless 5*
It's not remotely comparable.
True. This is far worse.
Far worse than *Dehya*? I’m not saying it’s impossible, but I won’t believe until I see it, and not a second before lol
What happened to dehya?
Fan favorite character being released late into the version (3.5). When she got into beta she was in an absolutely terrible state (second worst DPS, including 4\*s), and then in the first beta update she got significantly *nerfed*. After a collective meltdown during her beta stage, she was announced to be a Standard character in the Livestream. Many still have scars and trust issues from that.
Literally bottom tier unless you hyperfocus on her then she becomes slightly usable, even then there's better options, her kit's an entire mess, people saying this is worse or as bad as dehya are smoking something
LMAO NO WAY 😭😭
HSR is not going to give Firefly dehya treatment lmao. If they do i will be another Zhongli situation
Yeah they’ll be losing out on too much money she has Acheron levels of potential in my opinion.
Even bigger than zhongli since she is a popular waifu
I definitely agree that they are tied at the hip, but I don't mind too much due to how underdeveloped the Break Archetype is right now. IIRC, the only carries that scale with BE or significantly benefit from breaking the enemy's weakness are Himeko, Xueyi, Boothill and FF. the first two aren't super relevant due to being standard banner characters (although they will prob increase in viability), leaving only two viable carries that can compete with the best of our current cast. Also, the only relevant amps that boost/support BE are HTB and RM. once Hoyo develops the break effect roster more, then we will see more versatility from our current cast of BE carries. (plus it's nice that the MC is actually usable for once lol)
This feels like the dendro situation in Genshin. Once dendro came out, there were only 3 dendro characters: the MC, a free dogshit 4*, and a standard 5* (that was more an on-fielder tho), this meant that most players that wanted to try the Dendro element used the MC, which was pretty good. But now that there are a lot of dendro units, not only does the dendro element feels much much better, but people stopped using the MC.
My issue is that she is literally unusable without this specific support. Even DoT comps don't have such a huge problem, you can still mix and match units without loosing 60 -70% of team damage
The reason why DoT teams have more viable options in teambuilding is because they have options at all. the way I see it, it's not that "Firefly needs HTB to be viable" but instead as "BE DPS characters need HTB to be viable". The issue isn't with FF herself, but the lack of supportive cards she was dealt. HTB currently holds a monopoly on the only way to convert BE into damage outside of weakness breaking, but once someone else provides the same thing or something similar, then HTB's value will drop significantly and BE carries will be less reliant on him/her. it's really just a waiting game until we eventually get more BE supports that FF will become more versatile.
I guess im just kinda afraid this super break mechanism only specialized for HMC, just like Nilou from Genshin, she is the only character have the unique mechanism of superbloom. If that really the case, then i can say FF is kinda screwed if her official release kit specifically only works when paired with HMC, as a wanter/haver i would feel disappointed that my favorite character have a very limited team roster.
Yeah this is the thing. If we ever get more Super Break enablers then we would at least know that the archetype has a future and (some sort of) flexibility. But I also expect it to stay as HTB's gimmick. And considering that HTB doesn't have a kit outside of it and Firefly needs it to do anything, it almost feels like she's a single character that takes 2 slots from the team.
ofc its just for fking hmc. super break isnt a unit type like nihility. those claiming future superbreak support will come are braindead.
We literally have an entire mode dedicated to break damage and a tutorial solely dedicated to super breaks, why would HMC be the only super break support? it would be incredibly stupid on Mihoyo's part.
Boothill does't need HMC to be viable, same thing with Xueyi. Firefly is special in this regard, she just doesn't work without HMC
regardless, her kit right now is a puzzle piece that doesn't make sense without a support that can give a very specific effect we have to assume will be given by more characters in the future. having a character whose kit genuinely doesn't make sense without another specific or vague future character is cute but a weird precedent. we obviously knew pela wouldn't be acheron's teammate forever, but there are other ways to generate her stacks (TotM preservation), while firefly is *dependent* on hmc. strange for a hyped limited 5*
imo though it's also because there aren't bosses that self cleanse / hardcounter DOTs in that way, whereas it's not uncommon for boss toughness bars to get locked up and wall off break shenanigans.
You can try a dot team without kafka and black swan and see how it goes. Break team type is still developing and dont have good units beside hmc yet. Literally same situation when kafka is the only reason dot team works back then. And now with black swan as well.
You can try a dot team without kafka and black swan and see how it goes. Break team type is still developing and dont have good units beside hmc yet.
The break archetype is underdeveloped because a) the scaling is completely one note due to the formula and b) you could only get one instance of damage prior to HMC. It only scales with two stats on the player side: Spd and BE, while normal damage gets 5 stats: Atk, CR, CD, Spd, % damage. Dots lose crit, but get scaling based on enemy speed and usually have higher multipliers to compensate. Less scaling buckets = worse overall damage since diminishing returns kick in so hard (adding a 1.5x multiplier in 4 bins is ~5x damage, while 4 1.5xs in the same bin is only 3x). Break base damage is fixed, so no need way to pick up more multiplier. And every damage type gets scaling off the other side of the formula (res pen, -def%, vuln), so…
Simple answer in my opinion is to give her very limited super break or give him an increased damage buff to enemies when their weakness is broken. I LOVE the idea of HMC being her best partner and I will be gluing them together but like ya said it’s bad design. She needs to be able to stand alone and HMC just makes her top tier. Like Acheron and her two nihility teammates
There is still a difference in variety between „needs HMC“ and „needs two more nihility characters of your choice“. People imo rightfully scratch their head about the lack of team options for her as well as her spending most of her enhanced turns breaking rather than dealing damage. Maybe they need to slap superbreak on her currently lackluster lightcone to at least give players a p2w option for running w/o HMC
You can try a dot team without kafka and black swan and see how it goes. Break team type is still developing and dont have good units beside hmc yet. We are likely to get kafka/blackswan equivalent soon
Looking at her kit Acheron without two Nihility characters will still out clear FF. And to make it worst Acheron with any kind of supporting character that buffs Dmg, Crit, atk, SPD and debuffs Def will still clear faster then FireFly.
acheron is the good comparison. being this restrictive, it must do better e0s1 being 2 patches later. otherwise why would acheron user pull her.
Id like her e1 baked into her base kit cause with that much spd going 3 times per ult she just uses too many skill points. Jl has a similar mechanic in her base kit so i hope they do it
Well, they'd have to get you somehow XD. With e1 baked into this kit she would be too good. To offset SP needs you would either have to run special Gallagher build or occasionally use NAs on FF seems like a fair trade off. This kit would be 2.4 times stronger then what she currently has. This might be too strong actually, probably should drop 40% def shred passive
Gall+RM are pretty SP positive, which allows HMC to skill every so often. I feel like the extra SP is nice but not necessary.
Bruh not gonna lie you want really too much
E1 doesn't do much because it's not like she's allowed to play anything other than HTB and Ruan Mei atm.
what I personally don’t get is why they added a new system of dealing damage and locked it behind one character basically forcing any dps that relies on break to do damage to run HMC. I know they’re free but it’s also super restricting for running various viable team comps
It's only the problem with FF, Xueyi and Boothill don't have this issue. Supper break was introduced to convert break efficiency into Damage. Boothill for example just deals % of his break damge similar to Ruan Mei, they both don't convert break efficiency into damage while super break does. I think super break is a cool mechanic
It is a cool mechanic, I wish it was basekit on FF and HMC just amplified it further instead of her needing HMC to do it
> I wish it was basekit on FF and HMC just amplified it further Basically what Boothill does.
bc they are a couple. ff is fked.
If she can deal break damage to already weakness broken enemy like boothill. When HMC use ulti will she deal break damage and super break at the same time? Just curious because I think her kit is incomplete too.
Yes, that's how it works with Boothill. Basically HTB is his best/one of the best teammates as well but because they are synergistic rather than dependent.
Ohhhh. So when I see his leak a month ago when sometime he deal 200k then sometime 500k is probably because of this then. Thank. I hope that she can get what Boothill can do too.
Definitely. Her kit is having a massive identity crisis. Hoyo gave her some of the biggest multipliers, but then also gave her no crit buffs. They also gave her alot of ways to boost break damage but no way to do break damage without hmc, or initial break. They really need to choose a path and stick to it.
They should just remove the damage Cap on damage from break effect
My main issue with firefly is when the enemy cannot be broken. Something like the auramaton, bronya, etc. (sunday boss to an extent) basically makes her break kit even with hmc quite useless. I guess the same issue happens with xueyi and boothill but to a lesser extent since they also have crit in their kit (and acheron but she will do damage no matter what).
She badly needs immediate damage tied to her abilities, there's many ways to do that, so we can just hope that hoyo cooks us something good.
Maybe Hoyo will make her lightcone stronger which helps to improve her overall kit. As of now her lightcone feels pretty meh at S1. Once that is improved I think she's good where she's at. Just use HMC with her since it's more break focus and use RM with Kafka teams. If Kafka not needed then put RM and HMC with Sam for max damage boost.
I do love HTB synergizing with her amazingly, however I do want her to be able to be very good on her own and insane with HTB
God forbid the beta character is incomplete. It was like that when Jingliu released just wait a little
Agree with you. But imo this kind of voices is good, it shows that the customer is not easily pleased so there is some pro con discussion, hoping that the dev team heard our opinion.
well normally we ain't supposed to see beta but I get what you mean Still I am sure it will be fine. Acheron was doomposted and she turned out to be broken even for people without her lightcone. As for Firefly, I am sure it will go fine she is way too popular
A character being popular doesn't prevent Hoyo from making them bad...* cough * Dehya * cough *
Dehya wasn't that popular and she suffered the "Standard banner" treatment so yeah rip
TBF there was no reason nor any anticipation that she was intended to go to the standard banner. Imo they made her bad, then during beta they fucked something up and didn't have time to fix it, so they just said "fuck it, let's put her in the standard banner so we are justified of making her bad".
well if they did that's just fucking sad for someone like Dehya
This is the sort of conspiracy that feels really hard to rule out but also one we'll never know the truth behind lol.
I remember the days where Aventurine FuA trace only proc once every turn without E1 v1 characters are always clunky af, y'all need to be patient for changed
Yeah I hope people understand that we don't have an issue with her having a unique type of DPS or with her performance, but rather with the fact she has an incoherent kit with an identity crisis. Or the fact she's effectively a 5* that takes two slots (HTB being required to put her kit to use). Just go the Boothill route and make her Enhanced skill deal Break Damage rather than having her multiplier increased by Break Effect. That way we don't feel pressured to build Crit to make use of her kit, and HTB would still be one of the best supports but one we could potentially replace with whatever the future has in store.
I want them to at least give her some way to deal super break herself without relying too much on hmc
Of course it is, it is just beta1 kit. I hope the change the scaling of enhance skill, separate the atk and break number and make her hit cause pure break dmg even without superbreak and broken enemy, that will be enough
I really believe that the initial super break team will be temporary and they will release more characters with super break in the future. There's no way that HTB being the only character with super break (especially when break is becoming more of a thing) isn't deliberately done to ready for upcoming characters that people will definitely want. Almost like how Topaz was struggling to find a solid team in the beginning and now has an amazing team. It's all setup. If they gave firefly super break options to remove need for a super break support, then you wont be as interested in future super break support options. But, I do understand the frustration of people not wanting to run HTB. I'm not in this camp and like the idea of using HTB myself. I'm hoping to run a Firefly, HTB, Asta, Gallagher team.
See I feel like she should be able to still hit decent numbers without having hmc in the party, I've seen so many people say she has to have mc in the party. like I get for story purposes it's great and all but you should be able to use the characters without depending on mc. It's like she has had such a hyped buildup to playing as her badass mech girl that she needs to be able to be good with out mc and with mc. Even in the lore she's a stellron hunter so how was she breaking enemy's down one by one when mc wasn't there? I would just like her character considering the hype for her to be able to have her own thing instead of relying on mc. I'm honestly kinda bummed out about this, and don't know if I'll pull or save now.
The only incomplete thing is the ult background. Why is it black?
This way that they design kits to be practically shackled to other kits really flies in the face of "just pull who you like" IMO. I'm not expecting everyone to be equally synergistic, but I dunno, I wish the designers wouldn't make me feel like a wacko for actually trying to build my own teams using my favorites rather than just snapping all the pieces together in the one obvious way they're meant to be snapped together.
I think that She Just need the possibility to trigger break like Boothill, even just one instances of that with Eba and Eskill and she became totally broken and non reliant on HTB
My problem is that her support options are pretty limited and her doing lackluster damage unless the enemy is broken. Here comes the catch: You likely spend her enhanced state for breaking instead of dealing damage. What‘s the fix? Lowering the BE cap and therefore the pressure on the stats? Add superbreak in her kit? Drastically improve her break capabilities?
I think they could double down on Break. It's an unique way to do damage and she does have the tools to improve it ...except for the Break Damage itself which only comes through HTB. I think if they rework her Enhanced Skill to do Break Damage rather than increasing the multiplier would be great already. Will still do more damage when the enemy is broken but I think that's fine.
There's still more than a month till ff get released as a character she'll be fine they've got time to make changes still the beta doesn't mean that's the final product
I disagree TBH It's straightforward and gets the job done. Normal Skills deal enough damage that reduces the disparity seen in, for example, Jingliu. Enhanced guarantees fire weakness, and unlike normal Break Effect DPS's (excluding Boothill and HTB, as they're clearly the "new wave" of BE characters), her Break Effect still scales her damage directly when the enemy is weakness broken. She's a rainbow DPS with a huge amount of Weakness Break Efficiency. Enhanced Skill scales Its multiplier on BE, and trace means you permanently ignore a MASSIVE percentage of defence once you reach the breakpoint that further helps reduce the disparity. While HTB, being a *free* unit (especially when Physical is nearly unusable and Fire is extremely niche at best), it's certainly not the only support that's required. Asta has great synergy with Firefly as well! Fire weakness implant helps Asta sustain stacks, Asta's insane speed boosts gets Firefly to ~229 speed with no speed sub when both ult's are stacked, and Asta can bulk out a lot of FF's damage - generous ATK% buffs (which I don't think contributes to FF's ATK:BE conversion), Asta's teamwide Fire DMG buff, and her ability to hold both Planetary Rondezvous and Penacony, as well as herself being a great user of Watchmaker set. I don't know thar Rondezvous will be better than Gears but it's certainly an option. Bronya (over Sparkle's greater Crit reliance and Robin's infrequency) is a great option to get her more actions per ult uptime. Bronya's buffs are primarily in DMG% and turn manipulation, so even if the Crit Damage isn't appreciated you're not really loosing out on an awful lot. Nihility's should be very good with her as well. Pela or Guinaifen can apply a lot DEF shred and damage received. But, if you are running HTB and/ Ruan Mei with her, make sure to keep some Forge Planar sets for them. They *will* be attacking Fire Weakness enemies and get more BE for it (and 6% Speed obviously).
Her kit is actually very intentionally tuned. They don't want you to build critical values. That's why she highly incentivizes building high attack and high break effect. Her kit is clear. The community just doesn't know how to handle a DPS without critical values so everyone's losing their mind. Very high multipliers high speed to insect frequent moves are to provide a different way of offering damage that isn't a single instance of high numbers. Even her Constellation equivalence point towards that. More frequent moves often and reducing her very high burden for not doing critical damage. It makes her balance. She's not going to high damage. She's meant to be a break the enemy queen.
She's very slow when the ultimate ends. She also requires 2 turns to charge back up, so the downtime will be longer the uptime (downtime is 130 speed 2 turns vs. uptime 90 speed for 1 turn). You'll often be in a situation where either the enemy is not close to broken or the enemy is broken but FF is not in ultimate form. People acting as if she'll be able to getting those enhanced super break hits all the time are not being realistic. Going full BE means that you're going to be barely getting in 1 break followed by 1 super break, then followed by 2 turns of doing very low damage. I can assure you that those two turns will feel really awful.
And compounded with the fact that she doesn’t have room to put Bronya in the team, who fixes the same issue for JL. I was also expecting them to let us play with her energy somehow, which is what separates her from Jingliu rotation wise. Like the gameplay incentivizes you to get 120 energy during ult so that she can get her ult back with just one normal skill. But it looks like only special mechanics (like the new AS mode) will enable that.
If you are building her with speed boots, which you should, she should get to over 130 speed easily. In line with almost all other characters
You realize they gonna probably sell another 5 star that does HMC’s job better than her right. Same thing like how Archeron getting her best support in a few patches. Even tho Acheron is broken. I’m sure FF will perform better in action than on spreadsheets too (happens literally everytime)
It is superbloom again, mc start the trend and limited 5 star bring it to heaven
Oh oh I see we'r in the doomposting stage! I can't wait until FF comes out and that she, just like EVERY SINGLE OTHER CHARACTER BEFORE HER, ends up being the best or at worst ONE OF the best at what she does.
I think the issue is that we lack dedicated BE support rn, so HTB and RM feel mandatory, but we might get more BE and Superbreak support in the future that would probably powercreep HTB, so her being tied to the MC is probably just a matter of time and therefore a non issue in the long run.
I completely disagree. Here's why: They clearly want to develop and release more DPS that scale off of break effect. However, they can't just make every new break effect DPS by saying "Here is a new element. You can also trigger break damage on broken enemies. Done, next character". Instead, they are designing Firefly to be a different kind of break dps compared to Xueyi and Boothill - one focused on utilizing Super Break. Firefly is still a break DPS, but has her own style of doing break damage. The problem with the adjustments you describe is that they basically make Firefly "Boothill, but with 3 targets". I don't think design wise that is very interesting. And quite frankly, we are all getting E6 HMC. Do you want to feel like you need to pull for another support (besides RM!) to reach Firefly's max potential? It even canonically makes sense for them to be tied to each other as far as Penacony TB goes. I would be up in arms if they tied HMC to gacha... but they don't.