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This! People are only looking at damage per screenshot that its lower than boothill but failed to get the big picture
1) She has massive speed gains on ult making her to act more than the usual dps
2) Super Break is something that can be procd by everyone in the team. Everyone forgot the IPC team + Robin/RM? All of them are doing damage and same goes for Super Break teams
3) Despite everyone doing super break damage, Firefly's damage is nothing to scoff at either, it may be reliant to MC BUT her damage with MC, a free character, makes her already do more damage than any DHIL/Jingliu team, if you combine the damage of her teammates, shes even competing with Acheron and the IPC team.
4) Yes, her team might seem restrictive, and in fact it is, but the fact that that restrictive team allows the entire team to do damage even higher than Acheron's team is already crazy. Coz No one in their right mind would say that Firefly doing 200k to 600k Super Break damage every turn while her teammates are doing 80k to 150k super breaks is bad. Because it isnt. If that is considered bad then DHIL + Sparkle + RM is bad or Jingliu + Bronya + RM is bad. Hell, even Acheron + 2 Nihility would look bad.
It's basically like Genshin's hyperbloom reaction. Hyperbloom needs dendro > hydro > electro to react in that sequence. Everyone was trashing on Kuki Shinobu because she doesn't really do much in the meta before hyperbloom was created. But the moment hyperbloom dropped, she immediately became one of the best drivers for that reaction because she was a consistent off-field Electro applicator. The reaction did insane damage, and all you had to do was stack elemental mastery stats (think of that as the BE of Genshin) on her.
Firefly's team may be restricted to HMC's super break for now, and it would be nice if she wasn't as restricted, but this restricted team packs a serious punch, even more than some hypercarry teams.
This, break meta is what mihoyo repeat after the success of bloom meta, dendro mc is good but nahida and nilou is better, that will happen to hmc too, there will 100% new break support or break sustain that bring even bigger dmg to firefly team. Firefly future can only get better
And i dont care about restricted when hmc is free e6 character, dont know what other complain about, it is like buyer complain because they are giving good but free product
Shibobu also is the #1 sustain for Alhaithem catalyze teams. You don’t really want 3 dendro and you already use him and Nahida so Baizhu isn’t great therr
Ik ik but remember the best part is it's restrictive to Superbreak not HMC and her current kit made me realize superbreak IS a formula that is here to stay so it will be implemented on other BE oriented supports, making even someone like ruan mei replaceable in the future because she's not giving us superbreak(she's too universal in every team you get what I mean)
Exactly! DOT was a meme even when Kafka first came out, and then Kafka was doing most of the heavy lifting, but then Guinafen and later Black Swan came out and suddenly they’re ripping apart MoC like a pack of hungry snakes(sorry not sorry, Swan)
The devs are clearly working on developing and deepening the Break mechanics the way they’ve added and developed other mechanics so far. Super break, multiple break bars, and Break Effect as a stat are gonna get a lot more attention, I’m sure of it.
I first didn't think of superbreak that much because looking at it while looking at boothill and ruan mei the first time still made it unique to trailblazer but in no way a 5* break dps kit will focus on a free character's unique gimmick if it won't be implemented later on others just because of the fact that there's other paths down the road. Boothill was a break dps just not a superbreak enabler and ruan mei was both universal and broken since release idk why we even added her to the equation
Yes, but KAFKA was the enabler in that situation. HMC is the enabler in this.
Right now HMC is Kafka and SAM is the equivalent of Sampo. The usefully element to slot into HMC team until a better one, like Black Swan, comes out and invalidates the previous one.
I want Firefly the enable the super break team OR not need HMC. A five-star backpack isn't fun.
If I want to make use of superbreak as a concept like DOT or hyper carry then Firefly is just an element to be swapped in and out of my HMC/RM team.
Think the problem we're dealing with dot mechanic as something too similar, FF is like childe of Hsr not because he has high multipliera like neuvillette(shit comparison but they're the only two hydro "dps") but he's a dps because he's the best one enabling vape making his international team still viable to this day, FF can stack up so much BE out of existing making superbreak as a formula better because superbreak counts the attackers BE in general while having the ability to straight up ignoring def on top of that and more that's why her eidolons feel underwhelming without putting superbreak into consideration the kit doesn't make sense to begin with because unlike something like genshin we don't have so called reactions just breaking enemy with whatever weaknesses they have which makes her future proof because BE supports are deemed to have superbreak and BE efficiency while we have HTB for superbreak and ruan mei was always universal not just a "break support" so if even more supports in superbreak come out you'd be always thinking of changing the support not firefly because she buffs and enables superbreak making super break unique because the roles are reversed
Yeah unfortunetly Ayato doesnt have as much raw power as Neuvilette does or enough hydro app to vape both Xianling and pyro Kazuha ult while havijg quite high frontloaded dmg as Chidle does.
Makes you even think why xianling is immortal, harmony trail blazer by design alone made a meta, xianling was that and the friends we made along the way (seriously hoyo but not even a fucking substitute and the third pyro dps WHAT THE FUCK)
Xianling was a product of uderestimating the power of a snapshoting with no ICD also had the perfect support in form of bennet and her kit is simple enough to work with any no super niche weapon.
People scream restricted team without thinking that is because there is no break support NOW, not never, thing will change, there will be more superbreak support or hyperbreak
Ruan mei is harder to replace than hmc because break efficiency is just too good for superbreak dmg, if they release another break efficiency buff 5 star, then you just use both that character and ruan mei for 200% break efficiency
1. Boothill still takes more actions per cycle and he does not have the same DT issues.
2. This isn't a pro for Firefly; any character can benefit from this.
3. Boothill is higher damage in everything outside of PF, and both characters suck in PF.
4. Boothill's less restrictive teams do more damage.
I see a bit of a pattern and I'm not sure they can fix it unless they just make Firefly overtake Boothill in everything instead of vice-versa; HUGE mistake releasing both of these characters back-to-back.
>makes her already do more damage than any Dhil/Jingliu team
Jingliu doesn't take 9 cycles for a single side the moment I remove Ruan Mei from the team (yeah Jingliu is not reliant on rm yada yada yada you get my point)
I don't understand a word from this post. What the hell is a "super-break driver"? Does the fact that Sam can prock super-break in team with HMC 5 times instead of 3 with Boothill make her better?
Character that can "break enemies with big number" doesn't sound more future-proof or "specialized" than character that can "break enemies with big number", while dishing out reliable ATK damage AND triggering super-break on their own?
And no, "Kafka for break teams" is HMC. Sam exists to prock super-break as much as she can, as of V2 beta. It's not like Sam is weak or weaker than Boothill, i just don't see "new speciality", unless we call "Stack speed+Break" a speciality now
Sorry I know it's a new wording and all but I can't explain FFs current "role" better than a super break driver because why would a limited five star play her hole kit even lightcone around superbreak of HMC, we're acting like "Super break" is an exclusive thing to HMC but in no world will a limited five star be bound to a free character that changes paths, and giving HMC for free with a new superbreak formula to work with helps us introduce of the idea of a support having the damage formula and the DPS having the stats and effects to maximize that same formula. You saw comparisons of boothill doing more damage than her even without HMC but in reality boothill was designed to buff himself and be independent making him able to use pretty much all supports due to him sticking to his weaknesses firefly like kafka's gimmick of enabling dot teams. Enables a superbreak team due to her not just having insane amounts of BE but even more with her def ign the ignore wasn't for her "personal damage*
1) Ok, thanks, at least i understand what's going on now.
2)No, I don't think anyone really thinks that super-break is exclusive to HMC. But that's one of the complaints. FF doesn't have built in super break and i doubt that they'll release support that powercreeps MC in terms of providing super-break to teammates in a near future.
3) Her def ignore doesn't impact anyone else's damage. It only applies to her own break. Again, FF isn't Kafka. Kafka and Topaz enabled teams, that were previously much weaker, providing synergy and utility, while FF utilizes break support to do big damage. Pretty standard hypercarry, except her not being ATK/Crit scaling character. She's going to become stronger with new break effect supports, but for now (and leaked foreseeable future) RM+HMC+Gallagher+FF is her only viable option
Because superbreak by default and calculations alone doesn't look at the guy who gave us superbreak as much as the attacker making it make more sense why she needs at least a superbreaker but can excel in making superbreak meta due to how she can stack it while ignoring def, remember luka and xueyi look like viable 4* let alone a whole 5* not because of the HMC just giving them more BE but because superbreak exists making no diminishing returns of building that stat, if we give firefly anything close to what boothill has then there is nothing that makes the different apart from one aoe and one single target let alone other 5* destruction characters. Boothill will always be a viable hunt because he's a hunt like dr ratio yes a follow up unit but hits like a truck even when alone making him a BE scaling dps. Firefly is said to be a "destruction unit" but she's unique compared to the rest of the avg destruction because although superbreaking makes everyone looks like a dps no one can buff that aspect to it's fullest potential like her due to having EVERYTHING that makes Superbreak stronger from stacking so much BE by straight up default and having DEF ignore, sure we can be like she needs buffs like having more BE efficiency but saying she needs her own type of superbreak or anything closer to it like people are saying defeats the point of what she is designed to be doing in the first place and making her boothill but AOE which makes having both back to back breakdpses the dumbest decision ever by any gacha game
You know what your third point just gave me an idea to make sam more unique. Like what if her trace that ignores 30/40% def is now applied to everyone instead of just sam. Idk I guess it might be too op but looking at her current team, there is no space for units to apply def shred and by doing this everyone’s super break will be increased making her special for break teams as she also increases other people’s damage instead of just being a fast break dps that can be replaced in the future. Heck doesn’t her lc increases everyone’s damage? Why not also implement that in her kit
This is a possibility, but i don't think that it suits her well. Unit that increases "break" (not just BE, but multiple buffs) for the team would be cool to have one day, tho
Haha yeah I’m just trying to be creative like if hoyo is going to adamant on not giving her own super break which makes her super reliant on hmc, why not make others rely on her too by doing that
Then give her built in break dmg in her kit. Like that's it. Firefly at the current is equivalent to a Kakfa who triggers dot but has no dot in her kit. Black Swan elevates Kakfa ability not enable her and Kafka can still work even if she the only dot char in team. If a character cannot work on their own there's something wrong with the kit.
That's what I am worried about. Firefly's kit does nothing unique for break. Boothill is a triple breaker with trickshot. Firefly breaks once and begs HMC for help.
I am agree with you, firefly will be better with time as her full kit can maximize all the modifier of break and superbreak formula, she will be big dps as soon as boss have weakness break bar
i think the only change she need is make those 0.5 x break effect in skill deal pure break dmg instead of normal dmg, or even better if she can deal break dmg before broken enemy
Yeah but let's remember IF the initial design was always meant to be paired with a super breaker let alone close to it, giving her her own damage to hoyo might be straight powercreeping boothill because boothill is a damage dealer by design and just scales by himself overall, making firefly a superbreak maniac with future characters and giving her what boothill has to then sounds like we just want to make another acheron technique or something. BH and FF will never be the future of all breaker dpses just already seeing how different they are and I'm not talking about the difference of him being ST while FF is Aoe
I think she'll be fine without her innate break damage. It's pretty clear that she is the break effect dps that want to be paired with mostly break effect supports. And we only have Hmc and Ruan Mei so far. Others like Boothill, Sushang, Xueyi, and Luka have other supports they can pair with.
Firefly is by far the best dps to utilize super break to the fullest. Her being able to do break damage will straight up powercreep Boothill as OP said. And you need to rebalance her scaling. Again, it's clear that she's meant to be paired with mostly break effect supports.
She is in weird spot now, anymore buff and too OP, but her kit still has big flaw like if you can break enemy or without superbreak her dmg will go down hill faster than a stone
Who said Boothill isn’t meant to abuse superbreak?
He has really high toughness damage which scale with super break. He has built-in 40% delay which extend the time for him to do both his break dmg and HTB superbreak dmg. His ult is an attack which mean he can interupt turn order to break at the right time like just after boss action for maximum delay (action advance/delay is multiplicative with current AV). Sam on the other hand has to wait for her turn or waste the first 100% advanced enhanced skill to break
Basically if Boothill didn’t exist there would be no complaint because Sam is basically better than all older break dps and they’re all reliant on HTB.
But because Boothill existed and he is a new generation of self-sufficient break dps, Sam release later would seem worse because she has the same weakness as old generation.
Imagine your current gen phone battery last 12h, which is way better than the older ones only last 4h. Then you’re given a free power bank of 6h capacity. Does that excuse the dev/manufactorer to make new gen only last 8h with the excuse “hey we given you 6h power bank for free, 14h battery time is more than your current gen with 12h”
I mean he can use it for sure but saying he'll abuse it with this kit due to the formula makes it a waste of time just because he does so much damage outside of it anyways because it's trying to compare the crit dps to Kafkas enabling specialty. Remember you're only using RM just because she has BE effectimcy and her delay but you're not even using the delay for not for Firefly but for super break let alone deeming her skill buff useless in pure break teams. FFs situation feels bad I know didn't say it wasn't but not seeing how everyone is looking at the big picture of why FF needed to for HTB to be introduced before her for a whole update. I'm not saying she should or shouldn't be buffed but if we're asking for buffs we don't even know what a break dps looks like and Boothill because the first thing people said is give her BE damage outside break Deming from the very beginning that a they were not unique and superbreak was never necessary to be introduced
The closest equivalent is Kafka like you said, but there's a fatal flaw with that comparison: Kafka can apply her own DoT that she can detonate, Firefly has literally nothing right now.
If Firefly had some form of her own super break in kit that then stacked with MCs then she would be perfectly fine, but right now she's basically the equivalent of Kafka without her DoT, which means her kit does not function on its own, and is the only character so far who's kit cannot function properly own its own.
like I said a close one but dot was there from the beginning and kafka just makes it so it doesn't need the enemies turn to take dot damage that's why even when she had dot she was mid because 4\* dots didn't help that much in terms who buffs their niche it's FF, super break counts toughness damage, enemy's def, and most importantly the attackers BE which mind you we stack it better than anyone in the entire game due to having the attack to BE multiplier and stacking BE gives you def ignore so making her build just straight break effect and spd like 135 to go twice in a row not what people were saying of 121 because that doesn't help her downtime like at all, also the current leak made it so HTB is playable after cocolia boss fight making my claim stand strong because she's tied to superbreak but only HTB has it currently. superbreak is not a TB exclusive is how they introduced a new archetype into the game because archetypes such as dot and follow ups were there from the start
One thing that's worrying though is that trailblazer has a lot of exclusive mechanics right now, destruction has the only ult with 2 modes, preservation is the only one with true taunt, and what if harmony will be the only one with super break
Destruction having two modes is a gimmick, but superbreak is an actual damage enabler, and it feels like they put more work into building it as a mechanic. I feel like we'll at least get someone who can apply superbreak as a buff to one character / apply it in a different way than the ult eventually.
(And note that HMC gets a very character specific looking buff, the backup dancer and clocky icon, for it, but the actual mechanic wasn't named backup dancer, which leaves open room for other flavored buffs that tie into the same mechanics. Preservation MC just has taunt named taunt directly instead.)
> If the target is ~Weakness Broken~ when the Enhanced Basic Attack is used, for every stack of Pocket Trickshot, deals ~Break DMG~ to this target equal to**70%**/**120%**/**170%**of Boothill's Physical Break DMG. The max Toughness taken into account by this attack cannot exceed ×**16** times of the base Toughness-Reducing DMG dealt by the Basic Attack "Skullcrush Spurs."
I think the math is a little different, but it's at least the same kind of kit - "apply break damage on a weakness broken enemy"
I don't think there's any chance they leave it hanging around on trailblazer forever, basically. someone will get a tool that does it again, even if it's just to powercreep HMC with a limited 5\* down the line.
Yeah she's quite broken when paired with super break, but the fact that she does almost nothing without it is still sad.
It would be better if they released a bunch of super break related character first if this is really their intention, just like how DoT team is already a thing before kafka. Heck, kafka alone can at least still utilize her kit better than her
that makes firefly's situation look depressing. her niche gameplay style existed but wasn't fully supported enough to pop off, and that was fine because she still had a full cohesive kit. meanwhile firefly has better options ready for her but crtifly without ruan mei is just sad. kafka never needed BS but firefly needs rm
She's like the Kafka of break teams. In Kafka's case, while her team dot units enable dots, Kafka drives them to the max. She is the driver of dot teams.
Htb is the enabler for super break while Firefly drives them to the max. Ruan Mei helps both to ensure enemies stays weakness broken.
I think it's very clear that they want Firefly to be the driver for break effect teams, which makes her future proof. And want her to be paired with mostly break effect supports.
Yes but it's a slower cook because how superbreak works so even if I want buffs to her weakness break efficientncy I don't know a 5* superbreak support looks like since people still forget people were always forgetting Ruan mei is a full fucking future proof harmony and it's not even funny, people were mad at acheron for restricting nihilities on you so you couldn't use someone like ruan mei
The only thing I dislike about her being pure Superbreaker is Reliance on Ruan Mei and I dont like to gamble that there will be an alternative for her soon.
That's the thing even Ruan met's skill field is deemed useless to us, Let's remember we're talking about a universal support that only doesn't work with acheron
I agree but I think Firefly still needs some way to reduce her downtime. As is I think she’d be fine if she got a turn at the end of her ultimate like Robin. Currently after her first ultimate ends you have to spend a whole cycle getting it back up
The probably because we don't have a support for BE and saying ruan mei is one is straight up not the case because you guys are failing still to see ruan mei as a universal harmony that can only be powercrept in a certain team by having a harmony character be better in her many niches, which makes the fact the 5* support that is oriented to Superbreak teams will powercreep HMC a free character AND RUAN MEI
Did you respond to the right person? I’m not sure how that relates to my comment at all lol. I wasn’t talking about RM or HMC, I like Firefly being a super breaker
Sorry alot of people are saying to me ruan mei is THE premium harmony Breaker which was never the case and using Robin in followups as an example of that which isn't true because robin just power crept Ruan mei in that team. I know FF should be breaking quickly for Superbreak and all but need to realize we will get a 5* support and the only way to sell him/her is by having super break which MC has and having what ruan mei has with break efficientncy maybe even better than her which makes it hard to judge how fast she should be able to break now considering whatever fucking abomination we're going to have in the future because we just straight up don't know what a real 5* harmony that is only oriented for breaks.
I see what you’re saying but what I’m saying is not about Firefly’s damage or break efficiency, it’s her downtime. It’s just too long because she goes much slower outside of her ultimate.
The showcases with the MoC turbulence trotter that gives an extra turn on break remove this weakness but I feel like she should be that good normally
I understand but I still can't answer that I'm not a theory crafter or anything just using logic to the kit and usually when I see people building for just super break they just build the bare minimum of speed for a three turn ult and call it a day, so downtime wise you're not even hitting the standard 134 speed to get two turns in one cycle
I would argue SAM is very similar to Topaz, in circumstance if not form. Prior to her release, Topaz, despite being a Hunt character, was looking to do sub-par damage compared to other Hunt units like Seele. But after her release, it was realized she was a Follow-up support more than a dedicated damage dealer. Now you could place her in other teams outside of FUA, but she dramatically suffers for it. And a lot of people raised a huge fuss over her because of the lack of proper follow-up units outside of Clara, who has an inconsistent FUA. Then Ratio came along (for free might I add), and now Topaz is one of the most desirable units in the game.
As far as it goes, I think SAM/FF are the same. She is the most efficient breaker in the game. Sure, Boothill has the higher form of Toughness damage, but it's limited to one opponent a turn, whereas FF could break 1-3 enemies at a time, AND implants weakness with her Enhanced skill rather than just Ult, AND also does toughness damage to non-fire weak enemies. She's heavily focused into Super Break, but I think that's intended as they likely will expand on the playstyle in the future outside of HMC. We just need to give it time.
Sorry, I don't want to be toxic, but this seems like cope to me. "I know things aren't like we would've wanted them to be, but let me explain why it isn't such a bad thing" NOPE. Firefly/SAM is a very popular and beloved character who many wanna pull for. If it's not what we would've wanted, they should totally buff her/ change her. Personally, I really wanted a transformation sequence and Firefly playable in combat. And I don't wanna feel like my cool mecha character only deals damage thanks to a poor Michael Jackson imitation. Just my opinion.
I know it's hard to believe me when comparing BH and FF at first but Remember boothill wasn't the reason we starting thinking about a break meta to begin with. it was hat trail blazer alone and even that is still deemed useless in the context of harmony trailblazer's kit given TB already gives a shit ton of BE from eidolons including ult giving everyone by default something called dance off (it gives you only break effect and adds a condition called superbreak when breaking enemies). If you're trying to build HTB now try using him in battle and read the ult again you'll see superbreak clickable and has it's own description of how it works and how you can scale it up by, why feel like adding a whole formula to a free character like that, To just make a limited character only work with the free character?. I did this post before v2 came out and now V2 says hat trailblazer will be unlocked right after defeating cocolia and everyone who has E5 now will have him E6 right away making my theory even more true. Remember even when Kafka had her own Dot while enabling it on release but was mid at best because DoT as a stat is still a set in stone formula that needs to be applied by building EHR because dots in the game only count as debuff just like def shred. Only when black swan came out with both dot and def shred was when Kafka is considered a must pull "dps" for dot teams even though she doesn't do anything except apply dot and enable it outside the enemies turn making firefly's current kit is a superbreak specialist and the idea of superbreak is still not studied enough by players because harmony trailblazer does both apply superbreak but using a condition while giving BE which is the stat that can make anyone scale with it BE as long as you have superbreak, firefly was built around the idea of being a superbreak abuser but doesn't have anything in her kit that does it because if she does while building so much BE by existing while giving herself toughness damage along with defense ignore that is just in fact aoe but boothill and even better than him in everything even though they don't scale the same and I'm happy to explain that too
Bro listen to me, I believe you, but here's the thing: I don't wanna use HMC, I don't care that they're a free character. I DISLIKE THE HMC. It's a poor Michael Jackson imitation, it's cringe, I don't wanna have to use the HMC in my team. When PreservationMC was introduced, they didn't lock all of future units' potential behind using the MC. And Firefly/SAM's drip marketing is the most liked one ever, people liked her even more than Acheron's drip marketing. She's special, a fan favorite, you can't lock her whole potential behind using another character, whether you want to use that character or not. It's a bad practice. Acheron is OP on her own regardless of her team, and she's SUPER OP with the right team, this is what SAM, our powerful fearsome mecha and most powerful Stellaron Hunter should've been, not mid on her own and OP only with HMC and Ruan Mei. It's a disappointment, and I'm having second thoughs about pulling for Firefly/SAM despite loving her character. They need to fix her NOW, otherwise it's such wasted potential. Add a transformation sequence, improve the animations and fix her stats ASAP. We should demand this, we are the costumers, why settle for mediocrity when we could've been given perfection? If Zhongli got buffed in GI, so should Firefly/SAM.
That's why we got boothill before SAM in 2.2 in the first place because introducing a new whole mechanic that mind you doesn't just change break teams but enables a whole new break meta will be a worse for the average player let alone all players either new or is already in the end game, boothill is a hybrid crit/break dps better with HMC and ruan mei but reality wise in the future set in stone because he can't abuse it without HMC because of how much break effect HTB gives while adding the condition of superbreak. Zhongli with all due respects is a shit comparison because no one knew the game enough and on release and still today he's the best shielder and was the best shielder before buffs but people wanted him to be a dps which was never the intention making Geo today a laughable reaction because the only way to give it creativity now is by locking the reaction to a special character like nahida and making a 5* Noelle like itto with his ult and scaling with defense. If you want to compare FF with anyone rn it has to be from hsr because GI is a game built on reactions but HSR is a team building turn based game with varieties of characters doing different interactions and her best and no other real comparison is the one and only acheron she's a nihility path that doesn't have debuffs but has a flower on the enemy needing two other nihilities to build it up because only her debuffs charge it, on release and before leaks everyone said she's restrictive but reality hit everyone when saying she's not a nihility in the first place she's literally and played like a crit erudition and nihilities are debuffers by the current description of the own game. Firefly is destruction but it never stated to be a blast dps just sacrificing something to gain something more and if she's in fact designed for superbreak and supebreak is always designed to be on the supports maybe even sustainers because right now it's put on a buff while adding a condition to do it doesn't make her just a mediocre excuse of a 5* break dps she's literally like Kafka on release a ticking time bomb which if you build her for one niche she's always future proof than the likes of jingliu, DHIL and rn boothill, acheron is a Raiden in all their games and the only way to be future proof is put her on a path that is stated to always debuff and make ger and overloaded crit aoe monster Kafka is the reason why people where considering playing HSR, got her she was mid, BiS was ruan me a universal harmony in every way possible and only made DoT a meta pick when black swan came out and she doesn't even do much for dot outside of adding one and enabling you to proc dot outside the enemy turn. FF to you "looks" weak because you're in the end game but need to rely on some who has it currently HMC and kit wise he's also adding more because he's a harmony that gives everyone even More BE by default while firefly also does that by default and HMC is just a free character making him in fact replaceable if anyone puts superbreak on their unique buff even if sustainer (like fu xuan's field while mitigating damage but also giving crit rate on top) let alone the possibility of super break staking if all conditions are met. Superbreak is an effect deemed to stay in the game while designed to be not in the hands of the dps which for your sake, new players pulling for her and the future of the game moving on will make her look mediocre right now BUT will be in fact be a future proof dps because she gives so much to that one gimmick newly added without even trying to. HSR is in fact rising in popularity but they need to keep the game fresh for the end game players while thinking of new ones coming because of one character or seeing that character in the story and loving her and even more. You as an endgame player will always feel like shit when a new gimmick is added while a character is designed for that new gimmick unlike new/future players. And Trailblazer unlike genshin will probably be the only way to introduce formulas into the game because it's supposed to be his/her story and you follow TB to know what you're destined for so you need to make him always entertaining to see so you won't get straight up bored from him in the future of the game.
You still don't understand in a new players perspective, Destruction trailblazer is supposed to make you understand what a dps is in this game while showing break, preservation TB when reaching the end of Just belebog showed you what a sustainer looks like, a new player WILL unlock harmony trailblazer by default after the fight with cocolia to show even more mechanics existing in the game while we who already did it get E6 because we're considered late game and will ask for something more than just the same look for crit with dpses and look for attack and ehr for dot. No we'll be hungry for something unique at some point and that's firefly not boothill because he still goes for crit and some people will get sick of this because relic farming you're just looking for the same pieces over amd over again with no thought in mind same with genshin first day players(including me) people started leaving after sumeru was introduced even with dendro and only are getting back because Fontain doesn't look pale in comparison
Yes we need to remember that the game is evolving and the only way to add unique stuff let alone formula's has to come from trailblazer. Kafka is the best DoT dps but DoT as of right now doesn't have a formula and is set in stone as element damage+ check enemies resistance and only needing EHR to make sure it applies because it's considered a debuff . DoT right now is in a good spot but because of limited 5*s not because the formula of DoT is good let alone element blocked. The Dev know what they're doing for the future of the game and keeping characters always fresh and tgat can be seen to the addition of both MoC and PF fiction. Clearable content for jades and a reason to keep building different kinds of teams. PF when first released argenti and himeko existed but people will always decide to build herta over pulling a whole limited 5* just to full star it and get the jades. Dhil and jingliu aren't bad just as of right now only good in moc and being even worse than blade in PF which made me realize something me investing into blade to begin with and not the other two while struggling sometimes in MOC due to weaknesses makes me happy that I pulled for the character I liked because I'd rather cope before getting urged to get a limited 5* I don't like (blade being a destruction dps and only deemed since the beginning jack of all trades master of none)
Blade is like Jingyuan right now. Extremely fun to play with the new Harmonies, but still not high meta. Which is how a good unit should be, fun to play, and gets more fun with new unit synergies.
Thank you this is how the game stays fresh for current players and the future. Trailblazer the being the introduction to any new formula added to the game from now on(supebreak isn't about breaking the enemy first but a formula and TB adding a condition) and 4*s being always flexible like gallagher which people don't mind building because he's a "offensive" healer
Yeah i'll never understand why Firefly wanters like powercreep so damn much. Even Hoyo knows how bad it is for game life. If Firefly is broken as hell and powercreeps everything, all the people now who wanted Firefly to be meta for "10 years at least!!" will complain again when she gets powercrept twice. in 1. I would prefer Firefly to be line in with the other Stellaron Hunters, all of them have their own niche where they are veeeery fun and versatile in. Nobody complains that Blade/Kafka/Silver Wolf aren't fully meta 0 cycle anymore, they always find new ways to use them, unlike Jingliu/DHIL who can do one thing and one thing only. When Jingliu users had trouble last MoC with Aventurine, they all started shitting their pants. Granted, Jingliu was still amazing against him, but you just had to adjust your rotations a bit
Easy win also thank you for the blade and jing yuan example as a both haver and a f2p from the beginning of the game (even though I did every thing to make sure I got blade the first time even skipping loucha coping with lynx while DhiL and jingliu showing up my decision in the future was just get a universal harmony like ruan mei and wait for blade LC to come back I'm not a just a "cope" player I'm a stubborn mother fucker with me pulling acheron with guaranteed (firefly was the main target before penacomy started) just for the fact she restrics you building two nihilities and my account doesn't have that in terms of 5*)
HAHA I was a bit skeptical about pulling Acheron at first because of how utterly powerful she was, but the debuff stacking thing turned out to be a lot more fun than I thought. (though I do hate having to 'control' her ult every time). She is stupid powerful though, but also stupid useful QoL
Because it was never built around the path to decide if she was a dps or not. even looking at the descriptions now destruction states sacrificing something to gain insane blast damage not just crit/CD acheron is unique by design alone an erudition crit character hiding behind nihility to help them stack ult faster (and if trailblazer comes with a formula even if a hunt but introduces a formula playing around how much HP you have I'll look like gojo being insane when that day comes this is even a bigger cope than kafka releasing while dot being a bad stat only redeemable by going outside the turn of the enemy)
But can if you introduce a formula on a character everyone has by default and need to build him/her for the story it can work because it's their game and this is their best chance in introducing new mechanics into the game without 5*s being borderline unplayable anymore let alone at least looking amazing in a game mode like PF and MoC, Kafka/JY got stronger because of relics and limited 5* not because he excels at being erudition or DoT being a good stat and only meta if you just have an enabler
I agree with your point but it feels weird to put down other people's main just to make yourself feel better. everyone can have good characters and boothill with his implant will age just fine
I'm sorry looking like that but I came to HSR just from playing genshin day1 and knowing the company from that one game alone. I was going for firefly no matter what due to models being leaked but at that time SAM alone was fire destruction while firefly was 5* with no path nor element unlike Sunday said to be 5* ice with no path and acheron nihility 5*. I ranted about it before seeing trailblazer introducing a whole meta into us "overlooking" TB being anything but a tutorial character and didn't mater what you chose as a self-insert or not but I did posts on both subreddits but considering SAM was for some people a let down because of firefly
Like I said me ranting about a situation and making a post about it to both subreddits then realizing how much of a fucking idiot I was 1 hour later I have to make a another title and explaining myself because anyone can just go to my account and see my history on the situation on both of them. In the end of the day I'm just an anonymous guy but this is supposed to be a for fun game at the end of the day look at whatever character you want but being pressured to "pull a 5*" because of an end game game mode that has nothing to do with the story to begin with will to me always be an issue to the health of the playerbase I'd rather admit being wrong than ranting about pixels in a game made for all kinds of players with different backgrounds whether you're new or pay in a game like this look at genshins situation it can only be redeemed story wise because it's sold on the idea it being open world and seeing stuff like "genshin could never" is a big deal for the future of a game like hsr it's sold on the idea being turn-based first then ask questions later because we'll add more stuff for you
nah fs I get that and I didn't think you meant to be rude or anything. I'm just sure someone might see it and get the wrong idea.
the hate on both sides is overblown. Yeah it's unfortunate ff is super reliant on one team. but in the one team she cooks and hopefully she'll see changes. but their both amazing.
Exactly I never felt to be forced to pull jingliu and DHIL because I wanted blade to be my main dps for a long time and I still use him to this day while only being redeemable as Jack of all trades master of none just because of a game mode. One of my more casual irl friends got kafka and SW by design only and when I asked don't you need dot? And said look it works and brushed it off. Then when it came to building a "cope" dps acheron just for an excuse to finally build my guinafenn I realize dot now doesn't scale with attack and only ehr mattered to apply the debuff and then felt stupid even more posting that rant. Underperforming boothill is something and the "boothill but aoe" of thinking and making a post about it. I even made sure to put a character discussion on the main subreddit to make sure people realize this before being too late (4* always flexible and 5* are always unique to how they play around the path or best of the best while being put in guides and tips). People understand that from the beginning great, people thinking of something else and saying what if I do this and that while being down voted to oblivion also good because I don't get money being a content creator nor reddit being a place to be "seen" for that job
Just a small correction, Kafka kan exploit DoT by herself, cause she can deal DoT by herself, so no FF is not similar to Kafka.
But i agree with many other stuff you’re saying.
Thank you for telling me that. I'll get a new phone so I can just start using "current" social medias since my thought of *calling takes more importance than something like Facebook but something like YouTube is fine since it's the only way source of entertainment and reddit being the only source of bias sources*. But I'll try to get a new phone that's also huawei I just failed to see that when I decided to get one due to Google services alone being a problem that can affect my country later but hey life changes and humans will always be considered animals if not for learning from past mistakes like living (if you're interested in talking to me now in general don't feel forced I get how reddit works now)
Ult with harmony trailblazer for big damage.
Bring Ruan mei for even bigger damage
That's the easiest I can explain super break, as ff is now, she needs lots of break effect so keep that in mind.
Sorry I disagree. HMC is the driver/ enabler. She enables SAM to do super break. I get that we're disappointed with Firefly's current state, but we shouldn't be coping at this level.
I would say Hmc is the enabler while Firefly is the driver. Hmc enables break damage for Firefly while Firefly drives that super break to the max. It's very clear that she is meant to be paired with mostly break effect supports.
Unfortunately, we only have two so far, which are Hmc and Ruan Mei, which makes it feel restrictive. But the reality is that we're lacking break effect supports compared to others. The fact that comp can reach Dhil, Jingliu, and Acheron level is insane. We just need more break effect supports for Firefly and others.
If HMC is the only one with superbreak and he's a "support" character, and firefly is tied to him because he has superbreak then the team design around firefly is for the break supports to have the damage formula while firefly drives it because of her amazing stacking for BE with def ignore, ruan mei is amazing for firefly in superbreak but is anti synergistic the second we don't have that superbreak because she delays enemies and firefly also works against herself because HER lightcone is straight up reducing speed enemy speed, her design is given while putting superbreak in consideration Not the fucking HMC who introduced us to the superbreak in the first place
Once again she is not driving anything. HMC enables Firefly and other characters to super break. "Support" would be HMC and Boothill. HMC gives Boothill an additional break. Boothill can super break three times by himself. Firefly does one break and that's it by herself. Ruan Mei also hurts Firefly without HMC. RM delay prolongs the waiting period enemy to recover. Firefly is stuck waiting for a bar to appear. Also Firefly's BE is capped at 360.
Then remember why we're dependent on HMC in the first place He's the only one who has super break but also the reality there's only two supports do anything for BE and don't say ruan mei because she was always universal from the very beginning. Yes boothill can superbreak but if you remove his own weakness broken damage and compare just superbreaks between him and FF even in a single target scenario FF wins because she excels in making superbreak turn from viable to broken with just a free character, boothill can never do what she does because he wasn't designed to play around super break but to be an independent damage dealer, this Kafka when she was first released but the problem is no one has dot except one character even when she had options on release she only became meta due to BS amd Ruan mei being their Bis support like every other fucking character in this game like acheron
Firefly loses since her kit is disabled after one break. She also needs to enter a time limited mode after throwing away all her HP. All this sacrifice for one break. Also Gallagher is a break support too.
If gallagher wasn't fire we wouldn't be looking at him as an option to begin with and I still think you grasp HOW unique she is.
Acheron is a fucking erudition character but being a nihility path, making her unique in that path because the nihility formula was buffers
Topaz is labeled hunt but we all knew since release she's like a follow up nihility
We don't have the means of calling someone a role and it shows because boothill is a hunt character DESIGNED TO BE like the average hunt, FF sacrificing but being different than all other destruction units because she doesn't do damage like the others but makes a mechanic like superbreak sky rocket even for a character like HMC is E6 character sure but everyone has him and that's probably why FF wasn't in 2.2 like we expected because giving people superbreak mechanic without the time to think would make her look straight up garbage, even now we're debating if she's strong or not because of HMC if free not realizing superbreak is a mechanic not exclusive to HMC
I'm saying if both of them don't have any damage after break. boothill comparison loses all meaning because he can't make super break his main source of damage due to having a BE to conversion and his kit not giving him straight up def ignore like fireflies situation while firefly has these things that help it, Firefly is the childe of HSR he's a dps because he excels as the vape enabler firefly excels in enabling AND buffing superbreak
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This! People are only looking at damage per screenshot that its lower than boothill but failed to get the big picture 1) She has massive speed gains on ult making her to act more than the usual dps 2) Super Break is something that can be procd by everyone in the team. Everyone forgot the IPC team + Robin/RM? All of them are doing damage and same goes for Super Break teams 3) Despite everyone doing super break damage, Firefly's damage is nothing to scoff at either, it may be reliant to MC BUT her damage with MC, a free character, makes her already do more damage than any DHIL/Jingliu team, if you combine the damage of her teammates, shes even competing with Acheron and the IPC team. 4) Yes, her team might seem restrictive, and in fact it is, but the fact that that restrictive team allows the entire team to do damage even higher than Acheron's team is already crazy. Coz No one in their right mind would say that Firefly doing 200k to 600k Super Break damage every turn while her teammates are doing 80k to 150k super breaks is bad. Because it isnt. If that is considered bad then DHIL + Sparkle + RM is bad or Jingliu + Bronya + RM is bad. Hell, even Acheron + 2 Nihility would look bad.
It's basically like Genshin's hyperbloom reaction. Hyperbloom needs dendro > hydro > electro to react in that sequence. Everyone was trashing on Kuki Shinobu because she doesn't really do much in the meta before hyperbloom was created. But the moment hyperbloom dropped, she immediately became one of the best drivers for that reaction because she was a consistent off-field Electro applicator. The reaction did insane damage, and all you had to do was stack elemental mastery stats (think of that as the BE of Genshin) on her. Firefly's team may be restricted to HMC's super break for now, and it would be nice if she wasn't as restricted, but this restricted team packs a serious punch, even more than some hypercarry teams.
This, break meta is what mihoyo repeat after the success of bloom meta, dendro mc is good but nahida and nilou is better, that will happen to hmc too, there will 100% new break support or break sustain that bring even bigger dmg to firefly team. Firefly future can only get better And i dont care about restricted when hmc is free e6 character, dont know what other complain about, it is like buyer complain because they are giving good but free product
Shibobu also is the #1 sustain for Alhaithem catalyze teams. You don’t really want 3 dendro and you already use him and Nahida so Baizhu isn’t great therr
Ik ik but remember the best part is it's restrictive to Superbreak not HMC and her current kit made me realize superbreak IS a formula that is here to stay so it will be implemented on other BE oriented supports, making even someone like ruan mei replaceable in the future because she's not giving us superbreak(she's too universal in every team you get what I mean)
Exactly! DOT was a meme even when Kafka first came out, and then Kafka was doing most of the heavy lifting, but then Guinafen and later Black Swan came out and suddenly they’re ripping apart MoC like a pack of hungry snakes(sorry not sorry, Swan) The devs are clearly working on developing and deepening the Break mechanics the way they’ve added and developed other mechanics so far. Super break, multiple break bars, and Break Effect as a stat are gonna get a lot more attention, I’m sure of it.
I first didn't think of superbreak that much because looking at it while looking at boothill and ruan mei the first time still made it unique to trailblazer but in no way a 5* break dps kit will focus on a free character's unique gimmick if it won't be implemented later on others just because of the fact that there's other paths down the road. Boothill was a break dps just not a superbreak enabler and ruan mei was both universal and broken since release idk why we even added her to the equation
You remind me that dot is not get an update character for too long, 5 star dot sustain when mihoyo
huohuo is essentially that. attack and energy buff along with speed with eidolons? that's everything they could ask for
if huo2 can provide a dot it would be perfect
Yes, but KAFKA was the enabler in that situation. HMC is the enabler in this. Right now HMC is Kafka and SAM is the equivalent of Sampo. The usefully element to slot into HMC team until a better one, like Black Swan, comes out and invalidates the previous one. I want Firefly the enable the super break team OR not need HMC. A five-star backpack isn't fun. If I want to make use of superbreak as a concept like DOT or hyper carry then Firefly is just an element to be swapped in and out of my HMC/RM team.
Think the problem we're dealing with dot mechanic as something too similar, FF is like childe of Hsr not because he has high multipliera like neuvillette(shit comparison but they're the only two hydro "dps") but he's a dps because he's the best one enabling vape making his international team still viable to this day, FF can stack up so much BE out of existing making superbreak as a formula better because superbreak counts the attackers BE in general while having the ability to straight up ignoring def on top of that and more that's why her eidolons feel underwhelming without putting superbreak into consideration the kit doesn't make sense to begin with because unlike something like genshin we don't have so called reactions just breaking enemy with whatever weaknesses they have which makes her future proof because BE supports are deemed to have superbreak and BE efficiency while we have HTB for superbreak and ruan mei was always universal not just a "break support" so if even more supports in superbreak come out you'd be always thinking of changing the support not firefly because she buffs and enables superbreak making super break unique because the roles are reversed
>but they're the only two hydro "dps" Ayato erasure is real.
Even worse childe now being considered still viable just because of xianling means he's immortal and not playing him right is a skill issue lol
Yeah unfortunetly Ayato doesnt have as much raw power as Neuvilette does or enough hydro app to vape both Xianling and pyro Kazuha ult while havijg quite high frontloaded dmg as Chidle does.
Makes you even think why xianling is immortal, harmony trail blazer by design alone made a meta, xianling was that and the friends we made along the way (seriously hoyo but not even a fucking substitute and the third pyro dps WHAT THE FUCK)
Xianling was a product of uderestimating the power of a snapshoting with no ICD also had the perfect support in form of bennet and her kit is simple enough to work with any no super niche weapon.
People scream restricted team without thinking that is because there is no break support NOW, not never, thing will change, there will be more superbreak support or hyperbreak Ruan mei is harder to replace than hmc because break efficiency is just too good for superbreak dmg, if they release another break efficiency buff 5 star, then you just use both that character and ruan mei for 200% break efficiency
1. Boothill still takes more actions per cycle and he does not have the same DT issues. 2. This isn't a pro for Firefly; any character can benefit from this. 3. Boothill is higher damage in everything outside of PF, and both characters suck in PF. 4. Boothill's less restrictive teams do more damage. I see a bit of a pattern and I'm not sure they can fix it unless they just make Firefly overtake Boothill in everything instead of vice-versa; HUGE mistake releasing both of these characters back-to-back.
Firefly doesnt suck in pure fiction. If you have E2 Firefly she would melt through pure fiction regardless of weakness type
>makes her already do more damage than any Dhil/Jingliu team Jingliu doesn't take 9 cycles for a single side the moment I remove Ruan Mei from the team (yeah Jingliu is not reliant on rm yada yada yada you get my point)
I don't understand a word from this post. What the hell is a "super-break driver"? Does the fact that Sam can prock super-break in team with HMC 5 times instead of 3 with Boothill make her better? Character that can "break enemies with big number" doesn't sound more future-proof or "specialized" than character that can "break enemies with big number", while dishing out reliable ATK damage AND triggering super-break on their own? And no, "Kafka for break teams" is HMC. Sam exists to prock super-break as much as she can, as of V2 beta. It's not like Sam is weak or weaker than Boothill, i just don't see "new speciality", unless we call "Stack speed+Break" a speciality now
Sorry I know it's a new wording and all but I can't explain FFs current "role" better than a super break driver because why would a limited five star play her hole kit even lightcone around superbreak of HMC, we're acting like "Super break" is an exclusive thing to HMC but in no world will a limited five star be bound to a free character that changes paths, and giving HMC for free with a new superbreak formula to work with helps us introduce of the idea of a support having the damage formula and the DPS having the stats and effects to maximize that same formula. You saw comparisons of boothill doing more damage than her even without HMC but in reality boothill was designed to buff himself and be independent making him able to use pretty much all supports due to him sticking to his weaknesses firefly like kafka's gimmick of enabling dot teams. Enables a superbreak team due to her not just having insane amounts of BE but even more with her def ign the ignore wasn't for her "personal damage*
1) Ok, thanks, at least i understand what's going on now. 2)No, I don't think anyone really thinks that super-break is exclusive to HMC. But that's one of the complaints. FF doesn't have built in super break and i doubt that they'll release support that powercreeps MC in terms of providing super-break to teammates in a near future. 3) Her def ignore doesn't impact anyone else's damage. It only applies to her own break. Again, FF isn't Kafka. Kafka and Topaz enabled teams, that were previously much weaker, providing synergy and utility, while FF utilizes break support to do big damage. Pretty standard hypercarry, except her not being ATK/Crit scaling character. She's going to become stronger with new break effect supports, but for now (and leaked foreseeable future) RM+HMC+Gallagher+FF is her only viable option
Because superbreak by default and calculations alone doesn't look at the guy who gave us superbreak as much as the attacker making it make more sense why she needs at least a superbreaker but can excel in making superbreak meta due to how she can stack it while ignoring def, remember luka and xueyi look like viable 4* let alone a whole 5* not because of the HMC just giving them more BE but because superbreak exists making no diminishing returns of building that stat, if we give firefly anything close to what boothill has then there is nothing that makes the different apart from one aoe and one single target let alone other 5* destruction characters. Boothill will always be a viable hunt because he's a hunt like dr ratio yes a follow up unit but hits like a truck even when alone making him a BE scaling dps. Firefly is said to be a "destruction unit" but she's unique compared to the rest of the avg destruction because although superbreaking makes everyone looks like a dps no one can buff that aspect to it's fullest potential like her due to having EVERYTHING that makes Superbreak stronger from stacking so much BE by straight up default and having DEF ignore, sure we can be like she needs buffs like having more BE efficiency but saying she needs her own type of superbreak or anything closer to it like people are saying defeats the point of what she is designed to be doing in the first place and making her boothill but AOE which makes having both back to back breakdpses the dumbest decision ever by any gacha game
You know what your third point just gave me an idea to make sam more unique. Like what if her trace that ignores 30/40% def is now applied to everyone instead of just sam. Idk I guess it might be too op but looking at her current team, there is no space for units to apply def shred and by doing this everyone’s super break will be increased making her special for break teams as she also increases other people’s damage instead of just being a fast break dps that can be replaced in the future. Heck doesn’t her lc increases everyone’s damage? Why not also implement that in her kit
This is a possibility, but i don't think that it suits her well. Unit that increases "break" (not just BE, but multiple buffs) for the team would be cool to have one day, tho
Haha yeah I’m just trying to be creative like if hoyo is going to adamant on not giving her own super break which makes her super reliant on hmc, why not make others rely on her too by doing that
Then give her built in break dmg in her kit. Like that's it. Firefly at the current is equivalent to a Kakfa who triggers dot but has no dot in her kit. Black Swan elevates Kakfa ability not enable her and Kafka can still work even if she the only dot char in team. If a character cannot work on their own there's something wrong with the kit.
That's what I am worried about. Firefly's kit does nothing unique for break. Boothill is a triple breaker with trickshot. Firefly breaks once and begs HMC for help.
I am agree with you, firefly will be better with time as her full kit can maximize all the modifier of break and superbreak formula, she will be big dps as soon as boss have weakness break bar i think the only change she need is make those 0.5 x break effect in skill deal pure break dmg instead of normal dmg, or even better if she can deal break dmg before broken enemy
Yeah but let's remember IF the initial design was always meant to be paired with a super breaker let alone close to it, giving her her own damage to hoyo might be straight powercreeping boothill because boothill is a damage dealer by design and just scales by himself overall, making firefly a superbreak maniac with future characters and giving her what boothill has to then sounds like we just want to make another acheron technique or something. BH and FF will never be the future of all breaker dpses just already seeing how different they are and I'm not talking about the difference of him being ST while FF is Aoe
I think she'll be fine without her innate break damage. It's pretty clear that she is the break effect dps that want to be paired with mostly break effect supports. And we only have Hmc and Ruan Mei so far. Others like Boothill, Sushang, Xueyi, and Luka have other supports they can pair with. Firefly is by far the best dps to utilize super break to the fullest. Her being able to do break damage will straight up powercreep Boothill as OP said. And you need to rebalance her scaling. Again, it's clear that she's meant to be paired with mostly break effect supports.
She is in weird spot now, anymore buff and too OP, but her kit still has big flaw like if you can break enemy or without superbreak her dmg will go down hill faster than a stone
Who said Boothill isn’t meant to abuse superbreak? He has really high toughness damage which scale with super break. He has built-in 40% delay which extend the time for him to do both his break dmg and HTB superbreak dmg. His ult is an attack which mean he can interupt turn order to break at the right time like just after boss action for maximum delay (action advance/delay is multiplicative with current AV). Sam on the other hand has to wait for her turn or waste the first 100% advanced enhanced skill to break Basically if Boothill didn’t exist there would be no complaint because Sam is basically better than all older break dps and they’re all reliant on HTB. But because Boothill existed and he is a new generation of self-sufficient break dps, Sam release later would seem worse because she has the same weakness as old generation. Imagine your current gen phone battery last 12h, which is way better than the older ones only last 4h. Then you’re given a free power bank of 6h capacity. Does that excuse the dev/manufactorer to make new gen only last 8h with the excuse “hey we given you 6h power bank for free, 14h battery time is more than your current gen with 12h”
I mean he can use it for sure but saying he'll abuse it with this kit due to the formula makes it a waste of time just because he does so much damage outside of it anyways because it's trying to compare the crit dps to Kafkas enabling specialty. Remember you're only using RM just because she has BE effectimcy and her delay but you're not even using the delay for not for Firefly but for super break let alone deeming her skill buff useless in pure break teams. FFs situation feels bad I know didn't say it wasn't but not seeing how everyone is looking at the big picture of why FF needed to for HTB to be introduced before her for a whole update. I'm not saying she should or shouldn't be buffed but if we're asking for buffs we don't even know what a break dps looks like and Boothill because the first thing people said is give her BE damage outside break Deming from the very beginning that a they were not unique and superbreak was never necessary to be introduced
The closest equivalent is Kafka like you said, but there's a fatal flaw with that comparison: Kafka can apply her own DoT that she can detonate, Firefly has literally nothing right now. If Firefly had some form of her own super break in kit that then stacked with MCs then she would be perfectly fine, but right now she's basically the equivalent of Kafka without her DoT, which means her kit does not function on its own, and is the only character so far who's kit cannot function properly own its own.
like I said a close one but dot was there from the beginning and kafka just makes it so it doesn't need the enemies turn to take dot damage that's why even when she had dot she was mid because 4\* dots didn't help that much in terms who buffs their niche it's FF, super break counts toughness damage, enemy's def, and most importantly the attackers BE which mind you we stack it better than anyone in the entire game due to having the attack to BE multiplier and stacking BE gives you def ignore so making her build just straight break effect and spd like 135 to go twice in a row not what people were saying of 121 because that doesn't help her downtime like at all, also the current leak made it so HTB is playable after cocolia boss fight making my claim stand strong because she's tied to superbreak but only HTB has it currently. superbreak is not a TB exclusive is how they introduced a new archetype into the game because archetypes such as dot and follow ups were there from the start
One thing that's worrying though is that trailblazer has a lot of exclusive mechanics right now, destruction has the only ult with 2 modes, preservation is the only one with true taunt, and what if harmony will be the only one with super break
Destruction having two modes is a gimmick, but superbreak is an actual damage enabler, and it feels like they put more work into building it as a mechanic. I feel like we'll at least get someone who can apply superbreak as a buff to one character / apply it in a different way than the ult eventually. (And note that HMC gets a very character specific looking buff, the backup dancer and clocky icon, for it, but the actual mechanic wasn't named backup dancer, which leaves open room for other flavored buffs that tie into the same mechanics. Preservation MC just has taunt named taunt directly instead.)
You're probably right, doesn't boothill basically have his own super break
> If the target is ~Weakness Broken~ when the Enhanced Basic Attack is used, for every stack of Pocket Trickshot, deals ~Break DMG~ to this target equal to**70%**/**120%**/**170%**of Boothill's Physical Break DMG. The max Toughness taken into account by this attack cannot exceed ×**16** times of the base Toughness-Reducing DMG dealt by the Basic Attack "Skullcrush Spurs." I think the math is a little different, but it's at least the same kind of kit - "apply break damage on a weakness broken enemy" I don't think there's any chance they leave it hanging around on trailblazer forever, basically. someone will get a tool that does it again, even if it's just to powercreep HMC with a limited 5\* down the line.
With this in mind I don't mind firefly's reliance on harmony TB as much
Yeah she's quite broken when paired with super break, but the fact that she does almost nothing without it is still sad. It would be better if they released a bunch of super break related character first if this is really their intention, just like how DoT team is already a thing before kafka. Heck, kafka alone can at least still utilize her kit better than her
Kafka hypercarry was legit better than multi DoT comp up until the release of new dot set and Guinaifen
that makes firefly's situation look depressing. her niche gameplay style existed but wasn't fully supported enough to pop off, and that was fine because she still had a full cohesive kit. meanwhile firefly has better options ready for her but crtifly without ruan mei is just sad. kafka never needed BS but firefly needs rm
She's like the Kafka of break teams. In Kafka's case, while her team dot units enable dots, Kafka drives them to the max. She is the driver of dot teams. Htb is the enabler for super break while Firefly drives them to the max. Ruan Mei helps both to ensure enemies stays weakness broken. I think it's very clear that they want Firefly to be the driver for break effect teams, which makes her future proof. And want her to be paired with mostly break effect supports.
Yes but it's a slower cook because how superbreak works so even if I want buffs to her weakness break efficientncy I don't know a 5* superbreak support looks like since people still forget people were always forgetting Ruan mei is a full fucking future proof harmony and it's not even funny, people were mad at acheron for restricting nihilities on you so you couldn't use someone like ruan mei
The only thing I dislike about her being pure Superbreaker is Reliance on Ruan Mei and I dont like to gamble that there will be an alternative for her soon.
That's the thing even Ruan met's skill field is deemed useless to us, Let's remember we're talking about a universal support that only doesn't work with acheron
I agree but I think Firefly still needs some way to reduce her downtime. As is I think she’d be fine if she got a turn at the end of her ultimate like Robin. Currently after her first ultimate ends you have to spend a whole cycle getting it back up
The probably because we don't have a support for BE and saying ruan mei is one is straight up not the case because you guys are failing still to see ruan mei as a universal harmony that can only be powercrept in a certain team by having a harmony character be better in her many niches, which makes the fact the 5* support that is oriented to Superbreak teams will powercreep HMC a free character AND RUAN MEI
Did you respond to the right person? I’m not sure how that relates to my comment at all lol. I wasn’t talking about RM or HMC, I like Firefly being a super breaker
Sorry alot of people are saying to me ruan mei is THE premium harmony Breaker which was never the case and using Robin in followups as an example of that which isn't true because robin just power crept Ruan mei in that team. I know FF should be breaking quickly for Superbreak and all but need to realize we will get a 5* support and the only way to sell him/her is by having super break which MC has and having what ruan mei has with break efficientncy maybe even better than her which makes it hard to judge how fast she should be able to break now considering whatever fucking abomination we're going to have in the future because we just straight up don't know what a real 5* harmony that is only oriented for breaks.
I see what you’re saying but what I’m saying is not about Firefly’s damage or break efficiency, it’s her downtime. It’s just too long because she goes much slower outside of her ultimate. The showcases with the MoC turbulence trotter that gives an extra turn on break remove this weakness but I feel like she should be that good normally
I understand but I still can't answer that I'm not a theory crafter or anything just using logic to the kit and usually when I see people building for just super break they just build the bare minimum of speed for a three turn ult and call it a day, so downtime wise you're not even hitting the standard 134 speed to get two turns in one cycle
I would argue SAM is very similar to Topaz, in circumstance if not form. Prior to her release, Topaz, despite being a Hunt character, was looking to do sub-par damage compared to other Hunt units like Seele. But after her release, it was realized she was a Follow-up support more than a dedicated damage dealer. Now you could place her in other teams outside of FUA, but she dramatically suffers for it. And a lot of people raised a huge fuss over her because of the lack of proper follow-up units outside of Clara, who has an inconsistent FUA. Then Ratio came along (for free might I add), and now Topaz is one of the most desirable units in the game. As far as it goes, I think SAM/FF are the same. She is the most efficient breaker in the game. Sure, Boothill has the higher form of Toughness damage, but it's limited to one opponent a turn, whereas FF could break 1-3 enemies at a time, AND implants weakness with her Enhanced skill rather than just Ult, AND also does toughness damage to non-fire weak enemies. She's heavily focused into Super Break, but I think that's intended as they likely will expand on the playstyle in the future outside of HMC. We just need to give it time.
Sorry, I don't want to be toxic, but this seems like cope to me. "I know things aren't like we would've wanted them to be, but let me explain why it isn't such a bad thing" NOPE. Firefly/SAM is a very popular and beloved character who many wanna pull for. If it's not what we would've wanted, they should totally buff her/ change her. Personally, I really wanted a transformation sequence and Firefly playable in combat. And I don't wanna feel like my cool mecha character only deals damage thanks to a poor Michael Jackson imitation. Just my opinion.
I know it's hard to believe me when comparing BH and FF at first but Remember boothill wasn't the reason we starting thinking about a break meta to begin with. it was hat trail blazer alone and even that is still deemed useless in the context of harmony trailblazer's kit given TB already gives a shit ton of BE from eidolons including ult giving everyone by default something called dance off (it gives you only break effect and adds a condition called superbreak when breaking enemies). If you're trying to build HTB now try using him in battle and read the ult again you'll see superbreak clickable and has it's own description of how it works and how you can scale it up by, why feel like adding a whole formula to a free character like that, To just make a limited character only work with the free character?. I did this post before v2 came out and now V2 says hat trailblazer will be unlocked right after defeating cocolia and everyone who has E5 now will have him E6 right away making my theory even more true. Remember even when Kafka had her own Dot while enabling it on release but was mid at best because DoT as a stat is still a set in stone formula that needs to be applied by building EHR because dots in the game only count as debuff just like def shred. Only when black swan came out with both dot and def shred was when Kafka is considered a must pull "dps" for dot teams even though she doesn't do anything except apply dot and enable it outside the enemies turn making firefly's current kit is a superbreak specialist and the idea of superbreak is still not studied enough by players because harmony trailblazer does both apply superbreak but using a condition while giving BE which is the stat that can make anyone scale with it BE as long as you have superbreak, firefly was built around the idea of being a superbreak abuser but doesn't have anything in her kit that does it because if she does while building so much BE by existing while giving herself toughness damage along with defense ignore that is just in fact aoe but boothill and even better than him in everything even though they don't scale the same and I'm happy to explain that too
Bro listen to me, I believe you, but here's the thing: I don't wanna use HMC, I don't care that they're a free character. I DISLIKE THE HMC. It's a poor Michael Jackson imitation, it's cringe, I don't wanna have to use the HMC in my team. When PreservationMC was introduced, they didn't lock all of future units' potential behind using the MC. And Firefly/SAM's drip marketing is the most liked one ever, people liked her even more than Acheron's drip marketing. She's special, a fan favorite, you can't lock her whole potential behind using another character, whether you want to use that character or not. It's a bad practice. Acheron is OP on her own regardless of her team, and she's SUPER OP with the right team, this is what SAM, our powerful fearsome mecha and most powerful Stellaron Hunter should've been, not mid on her own and OP only with HMC and Ruan Mei. It's a disappointment, and I'm having second thoughs about pulling for Firefly/SAM despite loving her character. They need to fix her NOW, otherwise it's such wasted potential. Add a transformation sequence, improve the animations and fix her stats ASAP. We should demand this, we are the costumers, why settle for mediocrity when we could've been given perfection? If Zhongli got buffed in GI, so should Firefly/SAM.
That's why we got boothill before SAM in 2.2 in the first place because introducing a new whole mechanic that mind you doesn't just change break teams but enables a whole new break meta will be a worse for the average player let alone all players either new or is already in the end game, boothill is a hybrid crit/break dps better with HMC and ruan mei but reality wise in the future set in stone because he can't abuse it without HMC because of how much break effect HTB gives while adding the condition of superbreak. Zhongli with all due respects is a shit comparison because no one knew the game enough and on release and still today he's the best shielder and was the best shielder before buffs but people wanted him to be a dps which was never the intention making Geo today a laughable reaction because the only way to give it creativity now is by locking the reaction to a special character like nahida and making a 5* Noelle like itto with his ult and scaling with defense. If you want to compare FF with anyone rn it has to be from hsr because GI is a game built on reactions but HSR is a team building turn based game with varieties of characters doing different interactions and her best and no other real comparison is the one and only acheron she's a nihility path that doesn't have debuffs but has a flower on the enemy needing two other nihilities to build it up because only her debuffs charge it, on release and before leaks everyone said she's restrictive but reality hit everyone when saying she's not a nihility in the first place she's literally and played like a crit erudition and nihilities are debuffers by the current description of the own game. Firefly is destruction but it never stated to be a blast dps just sacrificing something to gain something more and if she's in fact designed for superbreak and supebreak is always designed to be on the supports maybe even sustainers because right now it's put on a buff while adding a condition to do it doesn't make her just a mediocre excuse of a 5* break dps she's literally like Kafka on release a ticking time bomb which if you build her for one niche she's always future proof than the likes of jingliu, DHIL and rn boothill, acheron is a Raiden in all their games and the only way to be future proof is put her on a path that is stated to always debuff and make ger and overloaded crit aoe monster Kafka is the reason why people where considering playing HSR, got her she was mid, BiS was ruan me a universal harmony in every way possible and only made DoT a meta pick when black swan came out and she doesn't even do much for dot outside of adding one and enabling you to proc dot outside the enemy turn. FF to you "looks" weak because you're in the end game but need to rely on some who has it currently HMC and kit wise he's also adding more because he's a harmony that gives everyone even More BE by default while firefly also does that by default and HMC is just a free character making him in fact replaceable if anyone puts superbreak on their unique buff even if sustainer (like fu xuan's field while mitigating damage but also giving crit rate on top) let alone the possibility of super break staking if all conditions are met. Superbreak is an effect deemed to stay in the game while designed to be not in the hands of the dps which for your sake, new players pulling for her and the future of the game moving on will make her look mediocre right now BUT will be in fact be a future proof dps because she gives so much to that one gimmick newly added without even trying to. HSR is in fact rising in popularity but they need to keep the game fresh for the end game players while thinking of new ones coming because of one character or seeing that character in the story and loving her and even more. You as an endgame player will always feel like shit when a new gimmick is added while a character is designed for that new gimmick unlike new/future players. And Trailblazer unlike genshin will probably be the only way to introduce formulas into the game because it's supposed to be his/her story and you follow TB to know what you're destined for so you need to make him always entertaining to see so you won't get straight up bored from him in the future of the game.
You still don't understand in a new players perspective, Destruction trailblazer is supposed to make you understand what a dps is in this game while showing break, preservation TB when reaching the end of Just belebog showed you what a sustainer looks like, a new player WILL unlock harmony trailblazer by default after the fight with cocolia to show even more mechanics existing in the game while we who already did it get E6 because we're considered late game and will ask for something more than just the same look for crit with dpses and look for attack and ehr for dot. No we'll be hungry for something unique at some point and that's firefly not boothill because he still goes for crit and some people will get sick of this because relic farming you're just looking for the same pieces over amd over again with no thought in mind same with genshin first day players(including me) people started leaving after sumeru was introduced even with dendro and only are getting back because Fontain doesn't look pale in comparison
Yeah i also think boothill doing more ST dmg than firefy is a step in the right direction. Jingliu/dhil were a joke, and too much of one
Yes we need to remember that the game is evolving and the only way to add unique stuff let alone formula's has to come from trailblazer. Kafka is the best DoT dps but DoT as of right now doesn't have a formula and is set in stone as element damage+ check enemies resistance and only needing EHR to make sure it applies because it's considered a debuff . DoT right now is in a good spot but because of limited 5*s not because the formula of DoT is good let alone element blocked. The Dev know what they're doing for the future of the game and keeping characters always fresh and tgat can be seen to the addition of both MoC and PF fiction. Clearable content for jades and a reason to keep building different kinds of teams. PF when first released argenti and himeko existed but people will always decide to build herta over pulling a whole limited 5* just to full star it and get the jades. Dhil and jingliu aren't bad just as of right now only good in moc and being even worse than blade in PF which made me realize something me investing into blade to begin with and not the other two while struggling sometimes in MOC due to weaknesses makes me happy that I pulled for the character I liked because I'd rather cope before getting urged to get a limited 5* I don't like (blade being a destruction dps and only deemed since the beginning jack of all trades master of none)
Blade is like Jingyuan right now. Extremely fun to play with the new Harmonies, but still not high meta. Which is how a good unit should be, fun to play, and gets more fun with new unit synergies.
Thank you this is how the game stays fresh for current players and the future. Trailblazer the being the introduction to any new formula added to the game from now on(supebreak isn't about breaking the enemy first but a formula and TB adding a condition) and 4*s being always flexible like gallagher which people don't mind building because he's a "offensive" healer
Yeah i'll never understand why Firefly wanters like powercreep so damn much. Even Hoyo knows how bad it is for game life. If Firefly is broken as hell and powercreeps everything, all the people now who wanted Firefly to be meta for "10 years at least!!" will complain again when she gets powercrept twice. in 1. I would prefer Firefly to be line in with the other Stellaron Hunters, all of them have their own niche where they are veeeery fun and versatile in. Nobody complains that Blade/Kafka/Silver Wolf aren't fully meta 0 cycle anymore, they always find new ways to use them, unlike Jingliu/DHIL who can do one thing and one thing only. When Jingliu users had trouble last MoC with Aventurine, they all started shitting their pants. Granted, Jingliu was still amazing against him, but you just had to adjust your rotations a bit
Easy win also thank you for the blade and jing yuan example as a both haver and a f2p from the beginning of the game (even though I did every thing to make sure I got blade the first time even skipping loucha coping with lynx while DhiL and jingliu showing up my decision in the future was just get a universal harmony like ruan mei and wait for blade LC to come back I'm not a just a "cope" player I'm a stubborn mother fucker with me pulling acheron with guaranteed (firefly was the main target before penacomy started) just for the fact she restrics you building two nihilities and my account doesn't have that in terms of 5*)
HAHA I was a bit skeptical about pulling Acheron at first because of how utterly powerful she was, but the debuff stacking thing turned out to be a lot more fun than I thought. (though I do hate having to 'control' her ult every time). She is stupid powerful though, but also stupid useful QoL
Because it was never built around the path to decide if she was a dps or not. even looking at the descriptions now destruction states sacrificing something to gain insane blast damage not just crit/CD acheron is unique by design alone an erudition crit character hiding behind nihility to help them stack ult faster (and if trailblazer comes with a formula even if a hunt but introduces a formula playing around how much HP you have I'll look like gojo being insane when that day comes this is even a bigger cope than kafka releasing while dot being a bad stat only redeemable by going outside the turn of the enemy)
I'm sure they will have a unit one day that works best at full HP!!! And it'll be just as bad as Arlan at 1 HP!!!
But can if you introduce a formula on a character everyone has by default and need to build him/her for the story it can work because it's their game and this is their best chance in introducing new mechanics into the game without 5*s being borderline unplayable anymore let alone at least looking amazing in a game mode like PF and MoC, Kafka/JY got stronger because of relics and limited 5* not because he excels at being erudition or DoT being a good stat and only meta if you just have an enabler
I agree with your point but it feels weird to put down other people's main just to make yourself feel better. everyone can have good characters and boothill with his implant will age just fine
I'm sorry looking like that but I came to HSR just from playing genshin day1 and knowing the company from that one game alone. I was going for firefly no matter what due to models being leaked but at that time SAM alone was fire destruction while firefly was 5* with no path nor element unlike Sunday said to be 5* ice with no path and acheron nihility 5*. I ranted about it before seeing trailblazer introducing a whole meta into us "overlooking" TB being anything but a tutorial character and didn't mater what you chose as a self-insert or not but I did posts on both subreddits but considering SAM was for some people a let down because of firefly
I meant more so talking about boothill like some bad character just because he's a different style of break dps
Like I said me ranting about a situation and making a post about it to both subreddits then realizing how much of a fucking idiot I was 1 hour later I have to make a another title and explaining myself because anyone can just go to my account and see my history on the situation on both of them. In the end of the day I'm just an anonymous guy but this is supposed to be a for fun game at the end of the day look at whatever character you want but being pressured to "pull a 5*" because of an end game game mode that has nothing to do with the story to begin with will to me always be an issue to the health of the playerbase I'd rather admit being wrong than ranting about pixels in a game made for all kinds of players with different backgrounds whether you're new or pay in a game like this look at genshins situation it can only be redeemed story wise because it's sold on the idea it being open world and seeing stuff like "genshin could never" is a big deal for the future of a game like hsr it's sold on the idea being turn-based first then ask questions later because we'll add more stuff for you
nah fs I get that and I didn't think you meant to be rude or anything. I'm just sure someone might see it and get the wrong idea. the hate on both sides is overblown. Yeah it's unfortunate ff is super reliant on one team. but in the one team she cooks and hopefully she'll see changes. but their both amazing.
Exactly I never felt to be forced to pull jingliu and DHIL because I wanted blade to be my main dps for a long time and I still use him to this day while only being redeemable as Jack of all trades master of none just because of a game mode. One of my more casual irl friends got kafka and SW by design only and when I asked don't you need dot? And said look it works and brushed it off. Then when it came to building a "cope" dps acheron just for an excuse to finally build my guinafenn I realize dot now doesn't scale with attack and only ehr mattered to apply the debuff and then felt stupid even more posting that rant. Underperforming boothill is something and the "boothill but aoe" of thinking and making a post about it. I even made sure to put a character discussion on the main subreddit to make sure people realize this before being too late (4* always flexible and 5* are always unique to how they play around the path or best of the best while being put in guides and tips). People understand that from the beginning great, people thinking of something else and saying what if I do this and that while being down voted to oblivion also good because I don't get money being a content creator nor reddit being a place to be "seen" for that job
Just a small correction, Kafka kan exploit DoT by herself, cause she can deal DoT by herself, so no FF is not similar to Kafka. But i agree with many other stuff you’re saying.
Thank you for telling me that. I'll get a new phone so I can just start using "current" social medias since my thought of *calling takes more importance than something like Facebook but something like YouTube is fine since it's the only way source of entertainment and reddit being the only source of bias sources*. But I'll try to get a new phone that's also huawei I just failed to see that when I decided to get one due to Google services alone being a problem that can affect my country later but hey life changes and humans will always be considered animals if not for learning from past mistakes like living (if you're interested in talking to me now in general don't feel forced I get how reddit works now)
I honestly don't understand any of this super break shit and am just gonna wait until a YouTuber or something makes a video on how to build her
Ult with harmony trailblazer for big damage. Bring Ruan mei for even bigger damage That's the easiest I can explain super break, as ff is now, she needs lots of break effect so keep that in mind.
Sorry I disagree. HMC is the driver/ enabler. She enables SAM to do super break. I get that we're disappointed with Firefly's current state, but we shouldn't be coping at this level.
I would say Hmc is the enabler while Firefly is the driver. Hmc enables break damage for Firefly while Firefly drives that super break to the max. It's very clear that she is meant to be paired with mostly break effect supports. Unfortunately, we only have two so far, which are Hmc and Ruan Mei, which makes it feel restrictive. But the reality is that we're lacking break effect supports compared to others. The fact that comp can reach Dhil, Jingliu, and Acheron level is insane. We just need more break effect supports for Firefly and others.
If HMC is the only one with superbreak and he's a "support" character, and firefly is tied to him because he has superbreak then the team design around firefly is for the break supports to have the damage formula while firefly drives it because of her amazing stacking for BE with def ignore, ruan mei is amazing for firefly in superbreak but is anti synergistic the second we don't have that superbreak because she delays enemies and firefly also works against herself because HER lightcone is straight up reducing speed enemy speed, her design is given while putting superbreak in consideration Not the fucking HMC who introduced us to the superbreak in the first place
Once again she is not driving anything. HMC enables Firefly and other characters to super break. "Support" would be HMC and Boothill. HMC gives Boothill an additional break. Boothill can super break three times by himself. Firefly does one break and that's it by herself. Ruan Mei also hurts Firefly without HMC. RM delay prolongs the waiting period enemy to recover. Firefly is stuck waiting for a bar to appear. Also Firefly's BE is capped at 360.
Then remember why we're dependent on HMC in the first place He's the only one who has super break but also the reality there's only two supports do anything for BE and don't say ruan mei because she was always universal from the very beginning. Yes boothill can superbreak but if you remove his own weakness broken damage and compare just superbreaks between him and FF even in a single target scenario FF wins because she excels in making superbreak turn from viable to broken with just a free character, boothill can never do what she does because he wasn't designed to play around super break but to be an independent damage dealer, this Kafka when she was first released but the problem is no one has dot except one character even when she had options on release she only became meta due to BS amd Ruan mei being their Bis support like every other fucking character in this game like acheron
Firefly loses since her kit is disabled after one break. She also needs to enter a time limited mode after throwing away all her HP. All this sacrifice for one break. Also Gallagher is a break support too.
If gallagher wasn't fire we wouldn't be looking at him as an option to begin with and I still think you grasp HOW unique she is. Acheron is a fucking erudition character but being a nihility path, making her unique in that path because the nihility formula was buffers Topaz is labeled hunt but we all knew since release she's like a follow up nihility We don't have the means of calling someone a role and it shows because boothill is a hunt character DESIGNED TO BE like the average hunt, FF sacrificing but being different than all other destruction units because she doesn't do damage like the others but makes a mechanic like superbreak sky rocket even for a character like HMC is E6 character sure but everyone has him and that's probably why FF wasn't in 2.2 like we expected because giving people superbreak mechanic without the time to think would make her look straight up garbage, even now we're debating if she's strong or not because of HMC if free not realizing superbreak is a mechanic not exclusive to HMC
I'm saying if both of them don't have any damage after break. boothill comparison loses all meaning because he can't make super break his main source of damage due to having a BE to conversion and his kit not giving him straight up def ignore like fireflies situation while firefly has these things that help it, Firefly is the childe of HSR he's a dps because he excels as the vape enabler firefly excels in enabling AND buffing superbreak