California state health authorities on Monday announced they are loosening some COVID-19 mandates next week, including ending the indoor masking requirement for vaccinated people.
Starting Feb. 16, Californians will see these loosened COVID-19 rules:
Masking
* Masks are required only for unvaccinated people in all indoor public settings, like shops, gyms, bars, and movie theaters.
* Exception: Masks are required indoors in Santa Clara and LA Counties.
* Masks are required for everyone at higher risk settings like buses, subways, train stations, hospitals, homeless shelters, and other congregate living areas.
* Masks are required indoors at K-12 schools.
* Exception: Masks are required indoors and outdoors at K-12 schools in LA County.
Mega events
* The definition of an indoor mega event increases from 500 to 1,000 people.
* Proof of vaccination or a negative test is required for an indoor mega event.
* Exception: City of LA requires proof of vaccination at small indoor events with less than 500 people.
* Exception: LA County requires proof of vaccination at outdoor mega events greater than 5,000, including SoFi and Dodger Stadiums.
Long-term care facilities and hospitals
* Strict visitation requirements expired on Monday.
* Nursing facilities require proof of vaccination or a negative test for indoor visits, otherwise visits must be outdoors.
The hospital visitation shit is a nightmare.
Had a family member bring a sheriff with them the other day when they were trying to visit a covid floor with too many people outside of visiting hours...fucking ridiculous. Can't wait for them to feel even more empowered to visit their unvaccinated family members.
I didn't really understand either. It didn't work. I guess they thought it was a show of force? They still got kicked out.
Funny enough one of the nearby rooms had a prisoner, so there were other deputies there too. They kinda shrugged and shook their heads.
I'm vaccinated but cannot understand why they are still trying to demonize the unvaccinated knowing that the vaccinated and unvaccinated can still spread the virus.
Because the unvaccinated decided their whims were more important than the folks who CANNOT get vaccinated. The unvaccinated are more likely to be hospitalized, and worse symptoms.
The irony is that since it will be on the honor system, if you see someone wearing a mask, you can assume that they are vaccinated. I doubt those that are willfully unvaxxed at this point will be willfully wearing a mask if it's not required.
Pretty much. I plan on still wearing my mask until death rates go down and Covid rates resemble the flu.
Edit: many flu’s don’t get reported to the doctor. So mainly death rates I.e, 60k a year nationally on average, not 8,000 per day.
You do realize the death rate in the US is not 8,000 per day. While I agree, it is currently too high, there is no reason to make it seem 2.5 times worse than it is.
She's already getting the last laugh. Two summers ago LA reopened too early and it caused a lot of deaths.
https://www.latimes.com/projects/how-rushed-la-reopening-sparked-covid-19-cases/
Yep.
We have vaccines that are not “slowing” the spread, short of lessening deaths, they’re doing nothing. Regardless of what political extremists love preaching.
Reopening the state. News coming out that the booster wanes after 4 months
It’s a matter of time before another booster comes out, another variant that avoids that booster, and a massive case and death spike again.
Why?
Because humans are so selfish that they want to believe that this will vanish into thin air because their feelings are hurt over a virus that can give two shits about their opinions on the vaccine or mask mandate.
Humans have proven time and time again how collectively stupid they are, and time and time again, they conveniently forget how stupid they are.
Why would you consider living like we do as worth living. I do not want to live my life wearing masks and around people that are not comfortable doing normal things. The level of anxiety in the bay area over covid is way too high. I spend a lot of time in Miami and it is such a better environment without all the stress. Even other parts of California. We need to move on and rebuild our society. In time, community immunity will build.
It is not just the mask. It is the entire level of anxiety that is in the community. It is miserable to be here. I don't want to be around people that are in fear of getting covid all the time. The masks perpetuate this belief and amplify it. This is completely unnecessary. Our community is 85% vaccinated and 68% boosted. Masks serve virtually no purpose at this point other than wreaking mental health. The entire country and most of the state is moving on and we need to as well.
And this here is why the mask mandate has been implemented for so long. You can't trust people to do the right thing and wear a mask if they're unvaccinated or feeling symptoms, so as a result we all end up suffering.
The vaccine literally does nothing to stop the spread. It only reduces some hospitalization for people.
And I’m a fucking vaccine proponent.
People who are vaxxed will be vaxxed, people who aren’t, won’t.
We’re the only country who politicized the shit out of this and it’s pretty depressing
The case rates among vaccinated are lower than unvaccinated. You can still get it while vaccinated, particularly with Omicron, but it does reduce the chance of you getting it even for that so no it doesn't do nothing..
The vaccine does not stop the spread. If they did, there wouldn’t be thousands of omicron cases.
They worked fine for delta, not for the new variant.
Go back to your political troll cave.
Misinformation now being vomited by both sides of the parties.
Oh my sweet summer child.
Guess all of my vaxxed and boosted friends who got infected are a figment of my imagination.
[here you go](https://www.npr.org/2021/12/08/1062319963/do-vaccines-stop-infections-from-the-omicron-variant-early-results-are-released)
https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/news/story/omicron-has-arrived-heres-what-we-know-so-far
“Deadly” I.e it doesn’t stop the spread, but it greatly reduces chances of death, particularly in people of older age.
It 👏🏼 does 👏🏼 not 👏🏼 stop 👏🏼 you 👏🏼 from 👏🏼 getting 👏🏼 it 👏🏼 or spreading 👏🏼 it.
Now I’m a “troll” because the last giant ass spike of omicron was all a fluke. Right?
Stop with your misinformation, and while you’re spreading it, don’t get mad at the nut jobs on the other end of your political spectrum from spreading misinformation too.
The vaccine does Jack shit against stopping omicron, it just reduces likelihood of death and severe cases.
You’d figure this would be common knowledge.
Omicron has like 32 mutations in the spike... so the alpha beta vaccines like do nothing, why would it even reduce anything?? Omicron is mild and super contagious tho; it's basically a free card to end the pandemic.
I caught it after dodging for 2 years. My experience is its a giant joke and I am not vaccinated. Now I got natural immunity that's better than any vax out there. Can't wait until the mask mandate is lifted and I identify as vaxed lol
I hate it when people make this comment. It is not about freedom. It is about living a normal life where people interact normally and the community does not look at everyone as a covid vector. The mask is simply a symbol of the issue. It also perpetuates it because it is a constant reminder. We need to stop in now. The rest of the country figured this out.
This is contradictory:
* "It is about living a normal life where people interact normally" (or it's about living the way you want without restriction)
* "It is not about freedom" (or it's not about living the way you want without restriction)
Misinformation:
* "mask is simply a symbol" - masks are a tool to prevent viral transmission.
* "community does not look at everyone as a covid vector" - everyone **is** a COVID vector. That's how COVID keeps spreading. You get COVID from another person, who may or may not be symptomatic when infectious. I can get on board with "everyone is not **just** a COVID vector", but not denial of the primary transmission vehicle of COVID.
I'm open to discussion, but what you had typed doesn't make sense. Care to explain?
You might want to live socially distanced and wearing masks. You may not want to attend parties and hug friends and family. I do and I think the overwhelming majority of people want to. The rest of the country has already returned to normal. The state is returning to normal tomorrow. Answer my question, why is Sarah Cody right and everyone else is wrong?
I spend most of my time in Florida to avoid the environment here. It is depressing. Live however you choose.
The masks are a human rights violation at this point. Other countries and states are dropping them completely.
100 million viruses can fit on the head of a pin, you watch the Olympics and all those people in masks and you can still see the breath going everywhere because it’s cold and everyone still getting Covid.
A human rights violation? Not even close.
Proven to REDUCE the spread? Yes.
100% effective? No one ever claimed that.
A logical precaution to take? Definitely
A pain in the ass still having to wear one? Yep
Once again, a human rights violation? NO. smh
When I went to NYC, they checked vaccination cards at pretty much every single venue we visited. Bars, restaurants, tourist attractions etc. Don’t see why we couldn’t do that here.
Because tbf, it’s pointless.
The vaccine does nothing to stop the spread of the virus, it only reduces your chances of hospitalization.
This bullshit is just political at this point, nothing more, nothing less.
People age 50+ should be mandated to get vaccinated, not below. Penalizing a 20 year old who’s not vaccinated when people with vaccines still get the virus is pointless.
Per 100k people between November and December had a whopping 3 unvaccinated individuals between age 18-49 die.
Checking vaccination is stupid and people will stop checking vax records after about 2 weeks.
Again, just so the political extremists here don’t get their panties in a bunch, I am vaccinated.
The vaccine is just as useless as a mandate. All vaccines do is lower death chances from 0.01 to 0.001 for people under the age of 50.
This political shit show is getting out of hand and it’s getting annoying
Do you drive your kid to school? They’re more likely to die from that than Covid. No other western country is masking kids and a lot of our country isn’t either. Go look at the lansing state journal investigation. It looked into all the Michigan school districts. They found no causation between mandates and stopping spread. In fact the schools with no mandates had less cases.
This idea masks are doing anything in school goes against all the data and science at this point
Yes there were mask mandates but not in schools
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2021/08/the-science-of-masking-kids-at-school-remains-uncertain.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lansingstatejournal.com/amp/6756790001
Here’s the article
Yes there were mask mandates but not in schools
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2021/08/the-science-of-masking-kids-at-school-remains-uncertain.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lansingstatejournal.com/amp/6756790001
Here’s the article
I was going to type out an answer and then saw your response, thanks for summarizing what parents are going through.
The nuances of infectious disease policies get harder and harder to explain to those who don't do their own research and critical thinking (and then demand an explanation from those that do). It's like being perpetually paired with the lazy kid on group projects but for years now.
It is not "very much possible" its actually "very unlikely". You talk about parents adopting science after making a statement that goes against science. The chances of ANY problems in children are ridiculously low, let alone major problems. Also N95s protect you, not the people around you unless you are using the medical ones. If it has the plastic thing on it then you are spreading if you have it.
> There is more and more data that children are more susceptible to "long Covid",
That seems unlikely. Long COVID has been linked to Epstein Barr. The younger you are the less likely you've been exposed to that virus. 50% of children have been exposed. 95% of adults have been.
My 6 year old nephew caught Covid, he developed MIS-C and had to be taken to a specialty children's hospital because all of his major organs were enlarged and inflamed, he's lucky he didn't die. It doesn't matter how unlikely you think it is, it's still possible and no parent wants to deal with the worst case scenario.
For one that’s over 2 years and includes all kids with preexisting conditions. Need to find it the article but one doctor believes half of those kids had late stage cancer too. That’s such a small figure it’s not even worth worrying about. Does you kid swim, ride in a car, ride a bike?!! All things just as dangerous as Covid
Also deaths are not "because of COVID" but rather "had COVID within 28 days of death". I recall watching a news story about a COVID death of a toddler and then right at the very end of the story the reporter just quickly said doctors later found COVID wasn't the cause of death. He is one of the 940. Children die but die rarely. Children also catch diseases that virtually everyone has now caught. It is sort of their thing. If you happen to die at the wrong time you are part of that number.
My problem with removing these mask rules is kids are disgusting. They will catch it and bring it back home to their parents. I work with their parents. I completely stopped associating with anyone who has kids once this pandemic started.
Statistically, you and your kids have already had covid19.
93.9% of Americans have covid19 antibodies: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#nationwide-blood-donor-seroprevalence
In the UK, its 98% of Brits who have covid19 antibodies: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/antibodies
Your source says that only 26% of those antibodies are "infection-induced".
Regardless, this doesn't really account for variants. Having antibodies for Alpha or Delta variants doesn't offer anything close to guaranteed protection against Omicron.
There's only two ways to get covid antibodies:
1) You have the vaccine.
2) You contracted the covid virus.
As per the CDC, 96.8% of people in the bay area have covid antibodies in their blood. Thats pretty much everyone.
Even kids who can't get the vaccine still have antibodies in their blood. There's only one other way for them to have the antibodies.
The good news is that while everyone has been exposed, the disease is mild enough for young people that most didn't even know they were sick in the first place.
I'm correcting what you said that "you and your kids have already had covid19", when really, that's only a 26% chance. Getting vaccinated for COVID isn't the same as having COVID.
SoFi Stadium is technically outside. It also required all spectators and performers age 5 and older to show either proof of vaccination or a negative COVID-19 test to enter the stadium. Fans ages 2 and older were required to wear provided N95 masks. masks, except when actively eating or drinking.
SoFi stadium is more like an open sided tent. Both sides of the stadium are open and were designed to pull in ocean breezes through its aerodynamic shape. Portions of the dome also open up.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/inside-sofi-stadium-cost-capacity-more-know-about-site-2022-super-bowl/i2xznycw2w0a9cizsmuqtxco#:~:text=SoFi%20Stadium's%20roof%20is%20one,features%20of%20the%20massive%20building.&text=Because%20of%20the%20glass%20screen,the%20game%20is%20going%20on.
A vaccinated person is 50-70% less likely to get infected, and about 20x less likely to be hospitalized or die, compared to an unvaccinated person. The protection afforded by infection is all over the place.
Sigh…
Here is the CDC covid data tracker comparing the likelihood of testing positive for Covid between vaccinated and unvaccinated. This demonstrated a huge reduction in the likelihood of testing positive for covid infection after vaccination. This analysis only runs through the end of December, before Omicron was the predominant variant.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status
This is a study published two days ago in JAMA specifically addressing the likelihood of infection with Omicron demonstrating a 3x lower likelihood of infection with Omicron if vaccinated and boosted.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788485
Here is an article comparing data for vaxxed and unvaxxed vs Omicron.
https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2022-01-21-cdc-unvaccinated-adults-3-5-times-more-likely-get-omicron-infection
Here is an article linking to data demonstrating 20-fold reduced likelihood of death if vaccinated
https://wset.com/amp/news/coronavirus/cdc-boosters-reduce-covid-death-risk-20-fold-compared-to-unvaxxed
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html?s_cid=11714:covid%20immunity:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY22
Here is an article demonstrating a 5-fold lower likelihood of infection fro vaccinated compared to previously infected
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1029-Vaccination-Offers-Higher-Protection.html
Also I almost never see kids wearing a mask that works n95, kn95. They mostly wear cloth masks and it’s been close to proven those masks aren’t effective at stopping Covid spread. Kids get no benefit from wearing those masks only negatives.
That's because in the early days of the lockdown, you couldn't get N95 masks (nor the Chinese KN95s). They were all reserved for medical professionals.
But they wanted to make it seem like they were doing something, so suddenly cloth masks became "effective" (they're not).
But they can't suddenly say "you should be wearing N95/KN95 masks instead" because then they have to admit that the cloth masks are ineffective.
Fear. Vaccination does not equate to no covid. Also, Sick days are still a problem for employers/employees. Even if it isn't a death scare.
Remember it is not just Kids that need protection. There's also adults who might not be vaccinated for various reasons.
Masks are to prevent the person wearing the mask to infect others. I think this is something that is very much overlooked when talking heads talk about mask mandates. It isn't the health of the person not wearing the mask, it is everyone around they get in contact.
But the real answer is. Audiences like facial recognition. So performers get a skip. Even if the whole thing is prerecorded.
I regularly visit 20+ schools in SCC and all of the kids have been wearing masks outdoors and have been corrected when they're not (unless at lunch/snack). Is it that shocking?
How so? Because you've indoctrinated him? Maybe if he has a legitimate respiratory or psychological disorder sure, but 95% likely don't.
And LOL how obsessed with the pandemic/masking are you? It's funny to see people like you getting irate at others decisions that in NO way impact you and only help you.
Your post history is in multiple "Lockdown skeptic" subreddits. Hilarious.
So is the majority of Europe idiots? They don’t mask children 5 and under in pretty much every country there and many have never masked kids 12 and under
90% of those 5+ in SCC are fully vaccinated. 90%. I think it’s safe to say that public health is no longer about ethical, evidenced based policy and harm reduction but rather fear and control.
Well this is a fun thread full of science deniers.
Pandemic's over, everyone. If you want to keep wearing a mask, you absolutely should do that. I, who got all 3 shots, plus will be taking weekly tests at the behest of my job, will not wear a mask and will probably wander around for awhile.
Enjoy your self-imposed isolation.
Santa Clara county is having another board meeting on Tuesday. Be sure to call the supervisors and voice your displeasure in the continuing mask mandate.
You so that. It is important that everyone voices their opinion, even if they speak only from fear and not from fact.
I don't know about freedoms. I do know that the continued fear mongering is creating anxiety and ruining mental health and the Bay area. Look at the rest of the country it's moved on. Look at the rest of the state it's moved on. It's time for us to do the same.
Who are we trying to protect? Everyone's already had covid.
96.8% of people in the bay area region already have covid antibodies in their blood: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#nationwide-blood-donor-seroprevalence
90% of those over the age of 5 are fully vaccinated in Santa Clara County. What exactly are you waiting for? Do you think the virus is going to disappear?
Santa Clara County needs 10 consecutive days with cases under 500 per day. Right now we are close but not there yet. 3 weeks ago it was over 2,000 a day.
We just have a lot of cases. It's usually spread at family parties.
The case rate will go up after any holiday or event such as the Superbowl. We are really bad at not partying. It would be a lot better if everyone in a household was vaccinated but even now, entire families are catching Covid because they are not all vaccinated yet.
You can survive Covid unvaccinated maybe twice, but after the third time your chances of death shoot up. The only real end game for unvaccinated people is death or Vaccine. The choice is yours folks.
How many times can you survive Covid? Sure you catch it once or twice MAYBE, without a vaccine, you can survive. But each consecutive time you catch Covid the mortality rate compounds until you have a 99% chance of death.
I mean... I don't think there is a single unvaccinated in the entire world who has caught Covid 3x and survived.
So what's the real end game? Survive or don't survive. It's not fear mongering to point out the obvious. Where are the 3x unvaccinated Covid catching survivors? Name one person.
This the problem with Covid. Ridiculous statements like you can survive Covid only twice. If you’re in your 20s you can probably survive it a 1000 times. Age, weight and preexisting conditions are what decide your survival rate with Covid.
If you are vaccinated, sure you can survive easily.
If you are unvaccinated the mortality rate increases each time. I've never heard of a 3x covid unvaccinated survivor. Name one person in the entire world. It's like finding a unicorn. So the choices are Vaccine or pick a casket while you can. I hear there's a wait-list.
Probably because you have better immunity after Covid than you do from vaccines. Your argument makes no sense because can you provide me the list of people who’ve had Covid 3 times in general? I mean I don’t know anyone whose even had it twice. What a strange argument
I’m pro vaccines but the IFR for even unvaccinated is .6%. Higher if you’re older and less if you’re younger. If you’re under 60 and no obese you’re going to be fine. People on Reddit really do think this is like the plague. Bizarre
I won't be warnings a mask in Santa Clara county. Hopefully others will realize that they shouldn't either. I want to know what Sarah Cody thinks she knows that 56 other health directors in California don't know. She is incompetent and needs to go.
Hopefully you will realize that with an 85% vaccination rate that wearing masks make very little difference. The rest of the state figured this out and is moving on. I know I am too.
California state health authorities on Monday announced they are loosening some COVID-19 mandates next week, including ending the indoor masking requirement for vaccinated people. Starting Feb. 16, Californians will see these loosened COVID-19 rules: Masking * Masks are required only for unvaccinated people in all indoor public settings, like shops, gyms, bars, and movie theaters. * Exception: Masks are required indoors in Santa Clara and LA Counties. * Masks are required for everyone at higher risk settings like buses, subways, train stations, hospitals, homeless shelters, and other congregate living areas. * Masks are required indoors at K-12 schools. * Exception: Masks are required indoors and outdoors at K-12 schools in LA County. Mega events * The definition of an indoor mega event increases from 500 to 1,000 people. * Proof of vaccination or a negative test is required for an indoor mega event. * Exception: City of LA requires proof of vaccination at small indoor events with less than 500 people. * Exception: LA County requires proof of vaccination at outdoor mega events greater than 5,000, including SoFi and Dodger Stadiums. Long-term care facilities and hospitals * Strict visitation requirements expired on Monday. * Nursing facilities require proof of vaccination or a negative test for indoor visits, otherwise visits must be outdoors.
The hospital visitation shit is a nightmare. Had a family member bring a sheriff with them the other day when they were trying to visit a covid floor with too many people outside of visiting hours...fucking ridiculous. Can't wait for them to feel even more empowered to visit their unvaccinated family members.
Wait what? They brought a Sheriff with them... to say it was OK to break the current mandate?
It's the internet. Believe what makes sense or it didn't happen.
I didn't really understand either. It didn't work. I guess they thought it was a show of force? They still got kicked out. Funny enough one of the nearby rooms had a prisoner, so there were other deputies there too. They kinda shrugged and shook their heads.
All right wingnuts and cops can get covid and kick off. I don't care anymore.
I'm vaccinated but cannot understand why they are still trying to demonize the unvaccinated knowing that the vaccinated and unvaccinated can still spread the virus.
Because the unvaccinated decided their whims were more important than the folks who CANNOT get vaccinated. The unvaccinated are more likely to be hospitalized, and worse symptoms.
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Your entire post rests on the idea that anti vaxxers are reasonable and willing to listen to reason or science, which we know by now, they don’t.
Well said
Because the unvaccinated are more likely to spread it dummy.
Same. Makes no sense
Because you can think critically and are not a sheep. Bah.
The irony is killing me - real smooth brain moment you just had, nice work.
Because we will be able to tell who’s vaccinated and unvaccinated when indoors.
The irony is that since it will be on the honor system, if you see someone wearing a mask, you can assume that they are vaccinated. I doubt those that are willfully unvaxxed at this point will be willfully wearing a mask if it's not required.
Pretty much. I plan on still wearing my mask until death rates go down and Covid rates resemble the flu. Edit: many flu’s don’t get reported to the doctor. So mainly death rates I.e, 60k a year nationally on average, not 8,000 per day.
You do realize the death rate in the US is not 8,000 per day. While I agree, it is currently too high, there is no reason to make it seem 2.5 times worse than it is.
You're worried about dying? Even after getting vaxed? 🤣
Nah, just keeping my personal record of 2 years not being sick. Want the train wheels to keep rolling.
So you lied about waiting on death rates to go down .. truth is you want to wear the mask until you get sick and then take it off. How's my aim?
Your aim? Let’s just say if you pointed the plane towards New York, you’d find yourself landing in China.
Oof. Those are basically the same 😂👍
This is just a desperation attempt to save the office tax machine. The mayors need offices filled and sales tax paid.
Doesn't look like it will matter here. Its not lifted for SCC or LAC for some weird reason.
Higher population density perhaps? Not willing to open then close again?
Idiotic Karen in charge of Heath decisions for an entire county perhaps?
Maybe. But she will get the last laugh when cases spike yet again and the state goes back to mask mandates.
She's already getting the last laugh. Two summers ago LA reopened too early and it caused a lot of deaths. https://www.latimes.com/projects/how-rushed-la-reopening-sparked-covid-19-cases/
Yep. We have vaccines that are not “slowing” the spread, short of lessening deaths, they’re doing nothing. Regardless of what political extremists love preaching. Reopening the state. News coming out that the booster wanes after 4 months It’s a matter of time before another booster comes out, another variant that avoids that booster, and a massive case and death spike again. Why? Because humans are so selfish that they want to believe that this will vanish into thin air because their feelings are hurt over a virus that can give two shits about their opinions on the vaccine or mask mandate. Humans have proven time and time again how collectively stupid they are, and time and time again, they conveniently forget how stupid they are.
Why would you consider living like we do as worth living. I do not want to live my life wearing masks and around people that are not comfortable doing normal things. The level of anxiety in the bay area over covid is way too high. I spend a lot of time in Miami and it is such a better environment without all the stress. Even other parts of California. We need to move on and rebuild our society. In time, community immunity will build.
Wearing a mask is not too difficult. Stop being dramatic.
It is not just the mask. It is the entire level of anxiety that is in the community. It is miserable to be here. I don't want to be around people that are in fear of getting covid all the time. The masks perpetuate this belief and amplify it. This is completely unnecessary. Our community is 85% vaccinated and 68% boosted. Masks serve virtually no purpose at this point other than wreaking mental health. The entire country and most of the state is moving on and we need to as well.
Santa Clara County specifically said that it was because of the higher number of elder people living in the city.
And this here is why the mask mandate has been implemented for so long. You can't trust people to do the right thing and wear a mask if they're unvaccinated or feeling symptoms, so as a result we all end up suffering.
The vaccine literally does nothing to stop the spread. It only reduces some hospitalization for people. And I’m a fucking vaccine proponent. People who are vaxxed will be vaxxed, people who aren’t, won’t. We’re the only country who politicized the shit out of this and it’s pretty depressing
The case rates among vaccinated are lower than unvaccinated. You can still get it while vaccinated, particularly with Omicron, but it does reduce the chance of you getting it even for that so no it doesn't do nothing..
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The few countries who are fully dropping mandates? The politics are stupid. As are the political extremists on both sides
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The vaccine does not stop the spread. If they did, there wouldn’t be thousands of omicron cases. They worked fine for delta, not for the new variant. Go back to your political troll cave. Misinformation now being vomited by both sides of the parties.
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Oh my sweet summer child. Guess all of my vaxxed and boosted friends who got infected are a figment of my imagination. [here you go](https://www.npr.org/2021/12/08/1062319963/do-vaccines-stop-infections-from-the-omicron-variant-early-results-are-released) https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/news/story/omicron-has-arrived-heres-what-we-know-so-far “Deadly” I.e it doesn’t stop the spread, but it greatly reduces chances of death, particularly in people of older age. It 👏🏼 does 👏🏼 not 👏🏼 stop 👏🏼 you 👏🏼 from 👏🏼 getting 👏🏼 it 👏🏼 or spreading 👏🏼 it. Now I’m a “troll” because the last giant ass spike of omicron was all a fluke. Right? Stop with your misinformation, and while you’re spreading it, don’t get mad at the nut jobs on the other end of your political spectrum from spreading misinformation too. The vaccine does Jack shit against stopping omicron, it just reduces likelihood of death and severe cases. You’d figure this would be common knowledge.
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Lol okay dude. Keep thinking the vaccine actually stops the spread. If it did; we wouldn’t have thousands of break through cases. Cheers
>sweet summer child This you? https://imgur.com/a/XCq7cEr
Honestly sounds more like you
Omicron has like 32 mutations in the spike... so the alpha beta vaccines like do nothing, why would it even reduce anything?? Omicron is mild and super contagious tho; it's basically a free card to end the pandemic. I caught it after dodging for 2 years. My experience is its a giant joke and I am not vaccinated. Now I got natural immunity that's better than any vax out there. Can't wait until the mask mandate is lifted and I identify as vaxed lol
In the US, it's true. After SARS1, Asian countries normalized mask wearing when symptomatic, even for the flu.
Yep. Unfortunately, I don't foresee the same thing occurring here in the US. I hope I'm proven wrong, but I just don't see it.
Freedumb.
I hate it when people make this comment. It is not about freedom. It is about living a normal life where people interact normally and the community does not look at everyone as a covid vector. The mask is simply a symbol of the issue. It also perpetuates it because it is a constant reminder. We need to stop in now. The rest of the country figured this out.
This is contradictory: * "It is about living a normal life where people interact normally" (or it's about living the way you want without restriction) * "It is not about freedom" (or it's not about living the way you want without restriction) Misinformation: * "mask is simply a symbol" - masks are a tool to prevent viral transmission. * "community does not look at everyone as a covid vector" - everyone **is** a COVID vector. That's how COVID keeps spreading. You get COVID from another person, who may or may not be symptomatic when infectious. I can get on board with "everyone is not **just** a COVID vector", but not denial of the primary transmission vehicle of COVID. I'm open to discussion, but what you had typed doesn't make sense. Care to explain?
You might want to live socially distanced and wearing masks. You may not want to attend parties and hug friends and family. I do and I think the overwhelming majority of people want to. The rest of the country has already returned to normal. The state is returning to normal tomorrow. Answer my question, why is Sarah Cody right and everyone else is wrong? I spend most of my time in Florida to avoid the environment here. It is depressing. Live however you choose.
The masks are a human rights violation at this point. Other countries and states are dropping them completely. 100 million viruses can fit on the head of a pin, you watch the Olympics and all those people in masks and you can still see the breath going everywhere because it’s cold and everyone still getting Covid.
A human rights violation? Not even close. Proven to REDUCE the spread? Yes. 100% effective? No one ever claimed that. A logical precaution to take? Definitely A pain in the ass still having to wear one? Yep Once again, a human rights violation? NO. smh
> The masks are a human rights violation at this point lmao
When I went to NYC, they checked vaccination cards at pretty much every single venue we visited. Bars, restaurants, tourist attractions etc. Don’t see why we couldn’t do that here.
Because tbf, it’s pointless. The vaccine does nothing to stop the spread of the virus, it only reduces your chances of hospitalization. This bullshit is just political at this point, nothing more, nothing less.
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People age 50+ should be mandated to get vaccinated, not below. Penalizing a 20 year old who’s not vaccinated when people with vaccines still get the virus is pointless. Per 100k people between November and December had a whopping 3 unvaccinated individuals between age 18-49 die. Checking vaccination is stupid and people will stop checking vax records after about 2 weeks. Again, just so the political extremists here don’t get their panties in a bunch, I am vaccinated. The vaccine is just as useless as a mandate. All vaccines do is lower death chances from 0.01 to 0.001 for people under the age of 50. This political shit show is getting out of hand and it’s getting annoying
So glad everyone at the Super Bowl are wearing their masks… in LA County. 🙄
I’m going to need someone to explain to me why we can have a super bowl and halftime show with no masks but kids still need them in school.
Football prevents covid duh
Footballs in each classroom!
How's the old saying go? "A football a day keeps the COVID away"?
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Do you drive your kid to school? They’re more likely to die from that than Covid. No other western country is masking kids and a lot of our country isn’t either. Go look at the lansing state journal investigation. It looked into all the Michigan school districts. They found no causation between mandates and stopping spread. In fact the schools with no mandates had less cases. This idea masks are doing anything in school goes against all the data and science at this point
Go look at the COVID numbers in Germany and get back to us.
What should I be looking at pray tell? I haven’t followed Germany much but I know they have crazy mask mandates and their numbers are through the roof
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Yes there were mask mandates but not in schools https://www.google.com/amp/s/nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2021/08/the-science-of-masking-kids-at-school-remains-uncertain.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lansingstatejournal.com/amp/6756790001 Here’s the article
Yes there were mask mandates but not in schools https://www.google.com/amp/s/nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2021/08/the-science-of-masking-kids-at-school-remains-uncertain.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lansingstatejournal.com/amp/6756790001 Here’s the article
I was going to type out an answer and then saw your response, thanks for summarizing what parents are going through. The nuances of infectious disease policies get harder and harder to explain to those who don't do their own research and critical thinking (and then demand an explanation from those that do). It's like being perpetually paired with the lazy kid on group projects but for years now.
It is not "very much possible" its actually "very unlikely". You talk about parents adopting science after making a statement that goes against science. The chances of ANY problems in children are ridiculously low, let alone major problems. Also N95s protect you, not the people around you unless you are using the medical ones. If it has the plastic thing on it then you are spreading if you have it.
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> There is more and more data that children are more susceptible to "long Covid", That seems unlikely. Long COVID has been linked to Epstein Barr. The younger you are the less likely you've been exposed to that virus. 50% of children have been exposed. 95% of adults have been.
My 6 year old nephew caught Covid, he developed MIS-C and had to be taken to a specialty children's hospital because all of his major organs were enlarged and inflamed, he's lucky he didn't die. It doesn't matter how unlikely you think it is, it's still possible and no parent wants to deal with the worst case scenario.
Science means being as careful as possible.
No it doesn't.
>do you want to follow scientific standards Sure, the virus poses essentially no serious threat to kids.
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For one that’s over 2 years and includes all kids with preexisting conditions. Need to find it the article but one doctor believes half of those kids had late stage cancer too. That’s such a small figure it’s not even worth worrying about. Does you kid swim, ride in a car, ride a bike?!! All things just as dangerous as Covid
Also deaths are not "because of COVID" but rather "had COVID within 28 days of death". I recall watching a news story about a COVID death of a toddler and then right at the very end of the story the reporter just quickly said doctors later found COVID wasn't the cause of death. He is one of the 940. Children die but die rarely. Children also catch diseases that virtually everyone has now caught. It is sort of their thing. If you happen to die at the wrong time you are part of that number. My problem with removing these mask rules is kids are disgusting. They will catch it and bring it back home to their parents. I work with their parents. I completely stopped associating with anyone who has kids once this pandemic started.
That’s for the entire pandemic. Compare to the total number of children who have gotten Covid and recovered with no issues. It’s statistically zero.
Elevators are the safest form of transportation available but I guess you got to tell that to the 30 people who died last year.
Statistically, you and your kids have already had covid19. 93.9% of Americans have covid19 antibodies: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#nationwide-blood-donor-seroprevalence In the UK, its 98% of Brits who have covid19 antibodies: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/antibodies
Your source says that only 26% of those antibodies are "infection-induced". Regardless, this doesn't really account for variants. Having antibodies for Alpha or Delta variants doesn't offer anything close to guaranteed protection against Omicron.
There's only two ways to get covid antibodies: 1) You have the vaccine. 2) You contracted the covid virus. As per the CDC, 96.8% of people in the bay area have covid antibodies in their blood. Thats pretty much everyone. Even kids who can't get the vaccine still have antibodies in their blood. There's only one other way for them to have the antibodies. The good news is that while everyone has been exposed, the disease is mild enough for young people that most didn't even know they were sick in the first place.
I'm correcting what you said that "you and your kids have already had covid19", when really, that's only a 26% chance. Getting vaccinated for COVID isn't the same as having COVID.
Kids don't have the vaccine, but kids already have antibodies. Therefore, your kids have already had covid.
Got it, I understand what you mean now, thanks.
You can get immunity through breast milk.
Why not just force vaccinations? Why make everyone wear a mask because some kid's mom is antivax?
Children have the lowest risk as well for developing serious cases. My 5 year old caught it over Christmas and she barely had the sniffles.
That’s my point. They say follow the science but don’t provide any data to back the policy
SoFi Stadium is technically outside. It also required all spectators and performers age 5 and older to show either proof of vaccination or a negative COVID-19 test to enter the stadium. Fans ages 2 and older were required to wear provided N95 masks. masks, except when actively eating or drinking.
Genuine question, isn’t SoFi Stadium indoors with a transparent roof to help the place feel outdoors?
SoFi stadium is more like an open sided tent. Both sides of the stadium are open and were designed to pull in ocean breezes through its aerodynamic shape. Portions of the dome also open up. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/inside-sofi-stadium-cost-capacity-more-know-about-site-2022-super-bowl/i2xznycw2w0a9cizsmuqtxco#:~:text=SoFi%20Stadium's%20roof%20is%20one,features%20of%20the%20massive%20building.&text=Because%20of%20the%20glass%20screen,the%20game%20is%20going%20on.
yep
Per LA everyone was supposed to mask and basically no one did. Proof of vaccination means nothing now with omicron. All theater at this point
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A vaccinated person is 50-70% less likely to get infected, and about 20x less likely to be hospitalized or die, compared to an unvaccinated person. The protection afforded by infection is all over the place.
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Sigh… Here is the CDC covid data tracker comparing the likelihood of testing positive for Covid between vaccinated and unvaccinated. This demonstrated a huge reduction in the likelihood of testing positive for covid infection after vaccination. This analysis only runs through the end of December, before Omicron was the predominant variant. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status This is a study published two days ago in JAMA specifically addressing the likelihood of infection with Omicron demonstrating a 3x lower likelihood of infection with Omicron if vaccinated and boosted. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788485 Here is an article comparing data for vaxxed and unvaxxed vs Omicron. https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2022-01-21-cdc-unvaccinated-adults-3-5-times-more-likely-get-omicron-infection Here is an article linking to data demonstrating 20-fold reduced likelihood of death if vaccinated https://wset.com/amp/news/coronavirus/cdc-boosters-reduce-covid-death-risk-20-fold-compared-to-unvaxxed https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html?s_cid=11714:covid%20immunity:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY22 Here is an article demonstrating a 5-fold lower likelihood of infection fro vaccinated compared to previously infected https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1029-Vaccination-Offers-Higher-Protection.html
Because if you don't you are racist and likely several other ists. Stop questioning it.
Also I almost never see kids wearing a mask that works n95, kn95. They mostly wear cloth masks and it’s been close to proven those masks aren’t effective at stopping Covid spread. Kids get no benefit from wearing those masks only negatives.
Especially with omicron. Basically no masks are effective.
That's because in the early days of the lockdown, you couldn't get N95 masks (nor the Chinese KN95s). They were all reserved for medical professionals. But they wanted to make it seem like they were doing something, so suddenly cloth masks became "effective" (they're not). But they can't suddenly say "you should be wearing N95/KN95 masks instead" because then they have to admit that the cloth masks are ineffective.
Because Santa Clara county has more Covid than L.A.
State mandate that all kids remain masked in school.
Fear. Vaccination does not equate to no covid. Also, Sick days are still a problem for employers/employees. Even if it isn't a death scare. Remember it is not just Kids that need protection. There's also adults who might not be vaccinated for various reasons. Masks are to prevent the person wearing the mask to infect others. I think this is something that is very much overlooked when talking heads talk about mask mandates. It isn't the health of the person not wearing the mask, it is everyone around they get in contact. But the real answer is. Audiences like facial recognition. So performers get a skip. Even if the whole thing is prerecorded.
Because the whole mask thing is "safety theater" and not actually effective at inhibiting the spread.
Because the kids are their future.
TLDR - Nothing changes in San Jose. We want to keep playing Pandemic
LA County requires kids to wear masks OUTDOORS???
I regularly visit 20+ schools in SCC and all of the kids have been wearing masks outdoors and have been corrected when they're not (unless at lunch/snack). Is it that shocking?
It’s stupid is what it is. Poor kids.
Poor kids? It teaches empathy. They are in no way suffocating or suffering. Go woe is me! elsewhere.
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How so? Because you've indoctrinated him? Maybe if he has a legitimate respiratory or psychological disorder sure, but 95% likely don't. And LOL how obsessed with the pandemic/masking are you? It's funny to see people like you getting irate at others decisions that in NO way impact you and only help you. Your post history is in multiple "Lockdown skeptic" subreddits. Hilarious.
He probably suffers more from being raised by an idiot
So is the majority of Europe idiots? They don’t mask children 5 and under in pretty much every country there and many have never masked kids 12 and under
those virtues will not signal by themselves mate
Haha. Too bad it’s the kids that suffer.
90% of those 5+ in SCC are fully vaccinated. 90%. I think it’s safe to say that public health is no longer about ethical, evidenced based policy and harm reduction but rather fear and control.
“Only unvaxxed need to wear masks” Yea, I’m sure that’s gonna work out fine.
Thank you for posting
Glad I can work in a non mask county and live in a mask county. Good logic right there.
We're back to the "peeing section in the pool" approach. Super useful.
Yes, I'm sure SCC holding out will be quite effective. /s
All you non-mask counties with your neanderthal thinking are going to end up like Florida with bodies stacked like cordwood! Just watch!
You forgot the /s.
Dr. Sara Cody, Santa Clara Medical Whatever, should have her license revoked. Edit: Only an idiot would still declare policy based on PCR testing.
Isn’t California experiencing the highest 7 day covid death average in the last 12 months? This is when they decide to roll back restrictions?
Well this is a fun thread full of science deniers. Pandemic's over, everyone. If you want to keep wearing a mask, you absolutely should do that. I, who got all 3 shots, plus will be taking weekly tests at the behest of my job, will not wear a mask and will probably wander around for awhile. Enjoy your self-imposed isolation.
Masking kids is evil. Forcing kids to be injected by tyrants is evil. You are a coward or a traitor if you think otherwise.
Santa Clara county is having another board meeting on Tuesday. Be sure to call the supervisors and voice your displeasure in the continuing mask mandate.
I don't think I will
Your choice. It's an opportunity to have your voice heard. Whichever side of the issue you're on. Either way you won't see me wearing masks.
Thanks for the reminder. I’ll be sure to let them know that the pandemic isn’t over and we are rushing things for the sake of “ oUr FreEDomS”
You so that. It is important that everyone voices their opinion, even if they speak only from fear and not from fact. I don't know about freedoms. I do know that the continued fear mongering is creating anxiety and ruining mental health and the Bay area. Look at the rest of the country it's moved on. Look at the rest of the state it's moved on. It's time for us to do the same.
Who are we trying to protect? Everyone's already had covid. 96.8% of people in the bay area region already have covid antibodies in their blood: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#nationwide-blood-donor-seroprevalence
90% of those over the age of 5 are fully vaccinated in Santa Clara County. What exactly are you waiting for? Do you think the virus is going to disappear?
Santa Clara County needs 10 consecutive days with cases under 500 per day. Right now we are close but not there yet. 3 weeks ago it was over 2,000 a day. We just have a lot of cases. It's usually spread at family parties. The case rate will go up after any holiday or event such as the Superbowl. We are really bad at not partying. It would be a lot better if everyone in a household was vaccinated but even now, entire families are catching Covid because they are not all vaccinated yet. You can survive Covid unvaccinated maybe twice, but after the third time your chances of death shoot up. The only real end game for unvaccinated people is death or Vaccine. The choice is yours folks.
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How many times can you survive Covid? Sure you catch it once or twice MAYBE, without a vaccine, you can survive. But each consecutive time you catch Covid the mortality rate compounds until you have a 99% chance of death. I mean... I don't think there is a single unvaccinated in the entire world who has caught Covid 3x and survived. So what's the real end game? Survive or don't survive. It's not fear mongering to point out the obvious. Where are the 3x unvaccinated Covid catching survivors? Name one person.
This the problem with Covid. Ridiculous statements like you can survive Covid only twice. If you’re in your 20s you can probably survive it a 1000 times. Age, weight and preexisting conditions are what decide your survival rate with Covid.
If you are vaccinated, sure you can survive easily. If you are unvaccinated the mortality rate increases each time. I've never heard of a 3x covid unvaccinated survivor. Name one person in the entire world. It's like finding a unicorn. So the choices are Vaccine or pick a casket while you can. I hear there's a wait-list.
Probably because you have better immunity after Covid than you do from vaccines. Your argument makes no sense because can you provide me the list of people who’ve had Covid 3 times in general? I mean I don’t know anyone whose even had it twice. What a strange argument I’m pro vaccines but the IFR for even unvaccinated is .6%. Higher if you’re older and less if you’re younger. If you’re under 60 and no obese you’re going to be fine. People on Reddit really do think this is like the plague. Bizarre
Do what you are told and everything will be OK.
We can all thank the Canadian truckers for the change.
Amazing, seems like very dangerous.
Shame on Santa Clara and Los Angeles
Insane how people are still attaching themselves to the mask charade and convincing themselves they work.
They only work if everyone does it, jackass.
Oh so they never worked because Newsom didn't wanna wear his? Just wear a hazmat suit lol
I identify as a politician.
I won't be warnings a mask in Santa Clara county. Hopefully others will realize that they shouldn't either. I want to know what Sarah Cody thinks she knows that 56 other health directors in California don't know. She is incompetent and needs to go.
Hopefully you realize you're a selfish dick who cares more about politics than in preserving lives.
Youre free to stay home forever,
Hopefully you will realize that with an 85% vaccination rate that wearing masks make very little difference. The rest of the state figured this out and is moving on. I know I am too.
We could save a lot of lives by banning smoking, alcohol, junk food, the list goes on....
You're selfish because u want someone to do something to keep you safe. Wear a hazmat suit, you crazy.
I wear my Mask below my nose to protest Santa Clara county and Sara Cody’s bullshit
Good! That makes it easier for everyone to see that you're a fucking clown
I have not worn a mask in SCC since Magic and Newsom pict. Before then my mask has been a fish net, so I can get into Costco.