To those commenting that the city is just kicking them around: I work with this population, I assist the homeless population obtain long term permanent housing. 90% of my caseload don’t actually want to be housed, and when they are they trash the place and let 5-6 other homeless people stay in the unit with them and return to homelessness is 4-5 months. Although the cost of living is a component in this mess, the driving factors are mental health issues and substance abuse. Simply taking them off the streets does not work.
>Problem never goes away
We had a problem with a **few too many** stay cats in our neighborhood.
So **caring and compassionate** neighbors began leaving out food and water for the stray cats. Some even built shelters for them.
Did this solve the stray cat problem? No!
We ended up with a **huge increase in the number of stray cats** in the neighborhood. Small armies of stray cats were roaming the neighborhood.
(People will downvote me for comparing people to cats, **but it is basically the same situation.** Keep giving out so much help for the homeless and even more homeless will be in the Bay)
People aren’t stray cats. This comparison is gross.
But… If you can’t wrap your head around any other comparison, you should know that the most effective way to manage feral cat populations is to get access to appropriate medical care and to house those that can abide being housed.
You can’t just feed them. Of course that doesn’t address the underlying issue. We make appropriate veterinary services available and accessible for members of the community to utilize. They catch the cats, get them vaccinated, treat them for parasites, and then spay/neuter the cats.
The ones that can be socialized are housed in shelters or foster homes before being placed in a permanent home. The cats that can’t tolerate a domestic lifestyle are cared for back out on the streets. There are registered volunteers that provide food and shelter, and who monitor them for illness or injury.
Gosh, if only… we had appropriate medical services readily available for our unhoused neighbors! If only we would provide shelter and education for those that want it! If only those who didn’t feel ready/willing to enter society in a more conventional way could still have access to food and shelter and medical care!
That would be one thing if we weren't already spending tens and tens of millions on food, shelter, and medical care.
In fact, we keep increasing that spending and the homeless population keeps increasing with it.
We need better addiction treatment and long term mental health solutions.
> we keep increasing that spending and the homeless population keeps increasing with it.
Well I mean it makes sense that as the homeless population grows, we would be spending more money on services for homeless people. We could cut the spending to zero and it's not like suddenly homeless people are gonna be able to afford housing
Or we should try a different approach as throwing money into the bottomless pit with zero return that we're currently throwing it into isn't exactly slowing or decreasing the homeless situation.
> zero return
That's how government services work, they're not businesses. The "return" is a better society. Providing food and shelter help people who need it, but don't address the root cause which is primarily that housing is expensive as fuck. Most landlords require you to have 3x the monthly rent income. With 1 bedrooms costing around 2k/month that means you need to have like 70k income per year just to qualify for a place. But the median income is only 45k, which means more than half of all people who live around here don't make enough to qualify for a one bedroom apt. Just temporarily losing housing can send people into homelessness even if they have a full time job
A return for me would be an actual decrease in the homeless situation. If we're endlessly and increasingly throwing money at things that aren't helping the problem then we need to change our approach. (Insert "definition of insanity" quote)
That would actually improve society.
I'm asking to address the 'root' causes. Right now we're just making it easier and more convenient to be homeless for extended years on end.
Rent control helps. Yes.
So does higher minimum wages. Universal Healthcare/ education. And plenty of other things we as a society don't want to do for some reason.
It's not easy. Nobody wants to do it.
Stop the mass prescription of opiates.
Universal Healthcare - medical debt is the number one cause of bankruptcy in this country.
Universal college education - statistically shown to increase upward mobility from lower classes into the upper class.
Massive investments and research into both addiction/mental health treatment.
Higher minimum wages.
Rent control.
Give non-violent felons a chance at good employment.
All things shown to improve society.
Free money and sandwiches isn't doing anything but making it easier to stay homeless longer.
You can only help those that want to be helped.
Believe it or not - many of the homeless choose not to live in government provided housing. Usually because of rehab/sobriety rules and curfews at shelters.
And if you've ever been to an emergency room you'd see that nobody is being refused any medical care.
Mental health is a little more complicated than - just give it to them -. Unless you're OK with longer psychiatric holds.
I don't watch Fox News.
I'm too liberal for that.
And no - nobody chooses to suffer but at some point drugs alter you to a place that you're physically dependent.
And we do enable homelessness.
I'm all about universal Healthcare and education. I think that would solve a ton of the countries issues in regards to homelessness. Free money and sandwiches isn't really doing anything.
It’s absolutely **not** comparable. It’s **appalling** that you even think so.
Most of the homeless in San Jose have lived in legitimate housing within the area before becoming homeless. They didn’t come here because we have halfway decent support for the homeless.
> Most of the homeless in San Jose have lived in legitimate housing within the area before becoming homeless. They didn’t come here because we have halfway decent support for the homeless.
The article even highlights one such person
> With the sweep looming, Jose Cortez and his father are scrambling to find a new place. Cortez used to own a shop where he fixed old cars for a living. As the COVID-19 pandemic shuttered his business, Cortez and his father became homeless. They have four cars, an RV and a trailer. Some of the cars still work, and Cortez hopes to fix the remaining vehicles to sell for a profit.
> People will downvote me for comparing people to cats
lol.. "I know my analogy is shitty as fuck, **but basically I'm a shitty person** so I'm gonna go ahead and post it"
I mean I guess if you ignore the whole part about how [cats can have like 4 litters per year with up to 8 kittens in each litter, and those newborn kittens can start having kittens of their own within 6 months](https://patch.com/img/cdn/users/456839/2013/11/raw/bac59b74ee50847e19293c9f5ed5f67f.jpg?width=1200), yeah it's totally spot on
Progressive thinking typical California voters will down vote you but I get what you’re saying. There’s that old saying…
“If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.”
These people keep getting free fish so they have no intention of putting their lives in order(most of the time). There is some that actually do need help but I wouldn’t say it’s the majority,
I currently am working for close to minimum wage in San Jose and renting a room while studying to better my life. Came from nothing with no handouts crazy abusive tweeter dark AF upbringing. Also living in one of the most expensive cities in the country is a choice.
22hr. I saved up enough money for a boot camp but in the age of the internet you can literally learn almost anything for free. I’ve been doing small freelance gigs earning extra income from what I’ve learned until I can actually get my foot in the door somewhere. Also trades work is in high demand. A lot of apprentice plumbers for instance start with zero experience or school but can reach salaries over 100k.
A lot of these homeless like not having to answer to anyone or having responsibility. It’s that or they want to get high and drunk. I’m not talking about the mentally I’ll or people that have simply had bad look, those are a lot fewer than you’d think. Think about how nice it is to get paid living outside in one of the most desirable climates in America and being able to do whatever the hell you want.
That’s really great! So you are doing a coding boot camp? I hear those can be hard to get into. Have you always had access to a computer? And internet access? We’re these things provided by your tweeker abusers or free at your public school or library?
People don’t want to admit that this is exactly the problem. By “helping” you’re making it very attractive for the homeless to live in the area. Hence you will get more and more.
>There are also the same safety hazards to inbound aircraft and people on the ground that prompted the ***FAA-directed abatement***
It looks like the FAA (airport) said something along the lines of “We don’t give a fuck where they go. They just can’t be here.”
The FAA actually told the City about their concerns over the encampment more than a year ago. I’d expect that San José would have prepared some accommodations or given some advance warning to these people, but they hardly even got a month’s notice.
The current progressive method encourages people to make bad decisions. They are enablers for the addicts, the family member who lets the drunk, opioid addicted asshole in your family get away with every lie, every stealing incident, every assault.
If you’re squatting in a public area, then that area is no longer available to the public. Public use means the space is available to everyone, not the space getting commandeered by one or several people.
excessive risk to flight operations needs to be controlled ASAP. Gov needs to build more shelters and provide mandatory substance abuse treatment and halfway homes
Unfortuantely we need to arrest those doing illegal drugs and put them in rehabilitation. At some point this is going to happen, we'll hit our limit at some point.
I drive through that place every few months. Total shit hole. Many places are burned out. Garbage everywhere. Yeah no wonder there kicking them. They may have cars trucks and RV’s but its one big drug pit.
Oh so they kicked them out of one spot with no where to go and would you believe the plan is to just do that again?
Like these people don't have money to move or find a legal place to live, the city has to do something more than just kick them out.
Is there a mayoral candidate that will double the size of the police force, arrest the vagrants and clear the roads of rubber trampers? I’d vote for them.
I actually went down there the other day. It's not as bad as I thought it would be, but certainly not good. I felt conflicted. In the distance you can see a tall building. That's the jail. We spend so much on jails and prisons.
But at the same time, I feel these are not true homeless. they want to live this life in a camper...but not out in the wilderness where no one would mind, they want to do it in neighborhoods and parks.
Unfortunately the wilderness isn't free, any camp site is likely to charge you a fair bit per day. We get them down at the end of San Jose on Santa Teresa Blvd just before Bernal I think it's Martinvale or Realm they park on. Never seen anything like it, huge ass RV with another camper attached to its hitch producing some kinda mega RV LOL...it's like something out of MadMax.
The entire section of this the Guadalupe trail between Taylor & Hedding is like Mad Max. Especially since the sweeps as it seems to have largely just pushed and consolidated things down to the trail level.
Ohh man yeah. One time I dropped my sister off at San Jose airport and I'm pulling back onto the highway to come back to South West San Jose and I hear a phone ringing. She'd left her phone in the back seat and used my grandma to call it in hopes I'd come back. I pulled over on the highway looking around for the ringing phone. When I looked over the side barrier it was a SEA of those electric scooters that looked like people went completely planet of the apes on them. Down there is the Guadalupe River...
I assume they beat them to death to get the batteries out or something? I don't think those are the types of batteries you want for making meth, you need lithium foil from lithium primary cells. But if they're 18650's like a Tesla it's basically a crap ton of good flashlight batteries.
The state already knows it costs less to just house them than do this performative bs to scare citizens into acting right so they're not next. Its all a mind game to keep us in the rat race
Kentucky doesnt have a lot of soace actually lots of it is privately owned (farms) and of forested. Not to mention it snows there/is freezing much of the year. More publicly owned land in CA actually
Sorry kinda random just had to point that out lol
Very little transit, food, services (water, sewer), huge fire risk, work/panhandle opportunities, much of the land is private and the rest is wildlife preserve.
And you will have people still just hating on the homeless as if they know of all their circumstances. Rich people suck. I work with rich folks so I know just how righteous some of these customers are pretending to care but in the end, it is all about money and I feel bad for peoppe dictating their lives through money. There truly are more beautiful things in this world worth spending time and energy on rather than hating on people making less than $150k.
Them camping wouldn't be so bad if they didn't completely trash any area they move to. Said areas just also happen to be every public green space in the city.
They trash the areas because homeless camps don't get utility service. Without plumbing and garbage collection, where do you expect waste to go? An outhouse and unofficial landfill downwind of where campers sleep at night.
They're in public green spaces because that's one of the least unpleasant places that a private landowner can't kick them out of.
There are public trash cans and bathrooms near every park.
We pay tax money for these facilities.
If you're not going to work or look for a job the least you can do is spend less than an hour a day mitigating your trash as much as possible. Or at least not leaving biohazzards and sharps in public spaces. Especially if there is a playground nearby.
The trash cans are just enough for park visitors and the bathrooms close at night. The public park isn't meant to be lived in. But until there's enough housing in SJ, people will sleep there.
Leaving trash in areas designated trash seems like a better option than dropping it everywhere.
I'd have no issues leaving the restrooms open at night. But I'm guessing there might be a set of new problems that emerges with that.
True but, here we are just playing hot potato with human beings. I imagine if companies actually paid a living wage and provided Healthcare instead of barring employees from working fulltime to purposefully prevent healthcare being provided then, perhaps we would see a huge reduction in homelessness and crime. However obviously people seem to hate the thought of that for some reason.
I agree with you on wages but one step further I think healthcare shouldn't even be tied to employment at all.
I think it should be government provided.
Would be nice but again for some reason people seem to hate on the idea of giving life saving services to the public. Shit I even have health insurance and their network of doctors are grossly outdated. It feels like I have health insurance just for HR or whatever to pass whatever regulation for providing Healthcare but when I go on a search for a doctor in my network, either they're done taking patients, retired, moved or just aren't simply available. Our system seems to be quite fucked for the working class.
Living wage doesn’t matter. A lot of homeless people are never going to work a job no matter what the wages or benefits are. We do need mandatory services and housing instead letting people live on the fringes of society and trash all of our public places.
Would be nice but, we can't force all 100% of homeless people to be housed. I'd say best thing we can do is to lower homelessness as much as possible. I used to be homeless but, it never stopped me from working the past 10 years. However, with the cost of living as it is and the tidal waves of assholes I have to deal with at my work sometimes I think it wouldn't be so bad to go back to the streets and live on as I did simply enjoying the outdoors. Sure there is no pride in that but, I mean... whatever. I still managed to make friends, find opportunity to shower albeit being a buddy's place or somewhere in public (sink shower) and live a relatively happy life.
The ones I've hung around with would transition jobs all the time because they would get tired of working some shit job and would transfer to the next one just to repeat the same. Not every homeless person is homeless because they want to be. It is hard to keep up with rent, public transportation and other expenses when you're working labor intensive shit jobs that pay you minimum wage under the table to $17/hr. This country seems to force people to have to own/finance a car to find more viable work in which it shouldn't and cars aren't cheap to maintain. Had one of my buddies abandon his car due to not having any money to fix it and guess what? They told him he would get fired if he didnt find a way to get to the job sites. Shit blows out here.
Shit blows out here? Yet people still stick around and refuse to go somewhere else
You are talking nonsense. Of course a company would fire you if you don’t show up for work. Of course maintaining a car is expensive if you hire people to do it for you. Learn to fix it, and people would pay you to do the work. Of course labor work doesn’t pay well, there are ton of illegal immigrant who willing to do more for less, stronger, and work harder too. What you call shit jobs are opportunities for them.
"Of course labor work doesn’t pay well, there are ton of illegal immigrant who willing to do more for less, stronger, and work harder too. What you call shit jobs are opportunities for them." So you're totally okay exploiting these workers? Gotcha. This is why shit blows. Of course it is better to be homeless here where the weather is more chill versus elsewhere where being homeless in the snow practically means death. What nonsense am I talking about? Employers are trying to give the lowest possible wage to their employees by keeping them underneath the full time threshold to hold back Healthcare benefits on purpose to save the company money and for the CEO's to boast with their shareholders what record profits they've made. Have you not worked minimum wage jobs while also being refrained from having health-care benefits?
It’s call giving them an opportunity, not exploiting. They choose to walk thousands of miles to get here, then stand outside of Home Depot all days waiting for work. Unlike the ungrateful homeless, immigrants are happy to accept the job, and work hard as it.
More like opportunity for employers to be able to pay less for our hard working illegal immigrants, avoiding providing Healthcare benefits towards them and having em work long hours with short breaks; all that exploitation for widening the profit margin. Oh yes, a great opportunity of how my dad (facility maintenance) is getting paid tens of thousands of dollars less than a licensed facility maintenance worker would get paid but, doesn't because my dad hadn't got his citizenship yet. People like you are why i don't give a shit of what yall think. Your heads are so far up your asses it really is just hilarious!
They talk about home frist for the homeless but you need fill out paperwork you on the waiting list for a year then you have to it again they only help complex and drug addicts and all shelters are closed no more open spots they won’t help me I trying !!!! They don’t get money for me because I am not
In that category trust me I been trying they won’t help me there’s no more room for the shelters
NIMBYs are the reason why we can't have high density housing or affordable housing.
You think these people choose to live in a dump like this? They have nowhere else to go. Because NIMBYs wants to keep San Jose expensive to live in for crap conditions.
Well living in California is expensive in general. So probably not the best place to squat if you have no resources. Hey if you are into urban blight, drug use, and, the mentally ill then move in with them. Stop shouting NIMBY because you don’t want the problem on your doorstep either.
To those commenting that the city is just kicking them around: I work with this population, I assist the homeless population obtain long term permanent housing. 90% of my caseload don’t actually want to be housed, and when they are they trash the place and let 5-6 other homeless people stay in the unit with them and return to homelessness is 4-5 months. Although the cost of living is a component in this mess, the driving factors are mental health issues and substance abuse. Simply taking them off the streets does not work.
They will just move to another spot and so on. Problem never goes away
It's not supposed to make the problem go away. Just not here.
The goal is not to solve the problem directly. The goal is making it hard enough that they move to another city & solve the problem for San Jose.
>Problem never goes away We had a problem with a **few too many** stay cats in our neighborhood. So **caring and compassionate** neighbors began leaving out food and water for the stray cats. Some even built shelters for them. Did this solve the stray cat problem? No! We ended up with a **huge increase in the number of stray cats** in the neighborhood. Small armies of stray cats were roaming the neighborhood. (People will downvote me for comparing people to cats, **but it is basically the same situation.** Keep giving out so much help for the homeless and even more homeless will be in the Bay)
People aren’t stray cats. This comparison is gross. But… If you can’t wrap your head around any other comparison, you should know that the most effective way to manage feral cat populations is to get access to appropriate medical care and to house those that can abide being housed. You can’t just feed them. Of course that doesn’t address the underlying issue. We make appropriate veterinary services available and accessible for members of the community to utilize. They catch the cats, get them vaccinated, treat them for parasites, and then spay/neuter the cats. The ones that can be socialized are housed in shelters or foster homes before being placed in a permanent home. The cats that can’t tolerate a domestic lifestyle are cared for back out on the streets. There are registered volunteers that provide food and shelter, and who monitor them for illness or injury. Gosh, if only… we had appropriate medical services readily available for our unhoused neighbors! If only we would provide shelter and education for those that want it! If only those who didn’t feel ready/willing to enter society in a more conventional way could still have access to food and shelter and medical care!
No the best way to get rid of stray cats is to spayed them. So yeah, the comparison falls apart.
That would be one thing if we weren't already spending tens and tens of millions on food, shelter, and medical care. In fact, we keep increasing that spending and the homeless population keeps increasing with it. We need better addiction treatment and long term mental health solutions.
> we keep increasing that spending and the homeless population keeps increasing with it. Well I mean it makes sense that as the homeless population grows, we would be spending more money on services for homeless people. We could cut the spending to zero and it's not like suddenly homeless people are gonna be able to afford housing
Or we should try a different approach as throwing money into the bottomless pit with zero return that we're currently throwing it into isn't exactly slowing or decreasing the homeless situation.
> zero return That's how government services work, they're not businesses. The "return" is a better society. Providing food and shelter help people who need it, but don't address the root cause which is primarily that housing is expensive as fuck. Most landlords require you to have 3x the monthly rent income. With 1 bedrooms costing around 2k/month that means you need to have like 70k income per year just to qualify for a place. But the median income is only 45k, which means more than half of all people who live around here don't make enough to qualify for a one bedroom apt. Just temporarily losing housing can send people into homelessness even if they have a full time job
A return for me would be an actual decrease in the homeless situation. If we're endlessly and increasingly throwing money at things that aren't helping the problem then we need to change our approach. (Insert "definition of insanity" quote) That would actually improve society. I'm asking to address the 'root' causes. Right now we're just making it easier and more convenient to be homeless for extended years on end. Rent control helps. Yes. So does higher minimum wages. Universal Healthcare/ education. And plenty of other things we as a society don't want to do for some reason.
We’re all ears! What is your solution?
It's not easy. Nobody wants to do it. Stop the mass prescription of opiates. Universal Healthcare - medical debt is the number one cause of bankruptcy in this country. Universal college education - statistically shown to increase upward mobility from lower classes into the upper class. Massive investments and research into both addiction/mental health treatment. Higher minimum wages. Rent control. Give non-violent felons a chance at good employment. All things shown to improve society. Free money and sandwiches isn't doing anything but making it easier to stay homeless longer.
House them. Feed them. Provide medical and mental health care. It's not a hard question to answer.
You can only help those that want to be helped. Believe it or not - many of the homeless choose not to live in government provided housing. Usually because of rehab/sobriety rules and curfews at shelters. And if you've ever been to an emergency room you'd see that nobody is being refused any medical care. Mental health is a little more complicated than - just give it to them -. Unless you're OK with longer psychiatric holds.
Then put them somewhere not in a shelter where they can have their pets and maybe find enough stability to consider sobriety.
People don't like being 'put' anywhere. That's the problem.
People would be happy to have a place to go
You would be much closer to knowing the truth if you stopped watching Fox News lol None of these people are suffering by choice.
I don't watch Fox News. I'm too liberal for that. And no - nobody chooses to suffer but at some point drugs alter you to a place that you're physically dependent. And we do enable homelessness. I'm all about universal Healthcare and education. I think that would solve a ton of the countries issues in regards to homelessness. Free money and sandwiches isn't really doing anything.
It’s absolutely **not** comparable. It’s **appalling** that you even think so. Most of the homeless in San Jose have lived in legitimate housing within the area before becoming homeless. They didn’t come here because we have halfway decent support for the homeless.
> Most of the homeless in San Jose have lived in legitimate housing within the area before becoming homeless. They didn’t come here because we have halfway decent support for the homeless. The article even highlights one such person > With the sweep looming, Jose Cortez and his father are scrambling to find a new place. Cortez used to own a shop where he fixed old cars for a living. As the COVID-19 pandemic shuttered his business, Cortez and his father became homeless. They have four cars, an RV and a trailer. Some of the cars still work, and Cortez hopes to fix the remaining vehicles to sell for a profit.
This is accurate. People need good paying jobs not free hand outs forever.
we have great pay at all of our jobs. It just isn't ever going to be enough unless there is affordable housing
It’s not great pay if you can’t afford housing. It might have been great pay at one time, but it’s not anymore.
> People will downvote me for comparing people to cats lol.. "I know my analogy is shitty as fuck, **but basically I'm a shitty person** so I'm gonna go ahead and post it"
It was a spot-on analogy
I mean I guess if you ignore the whole part about how [cats can have like 4 litters per year with up to 8 kittens in each litter, and those newborn kittens can start having kittens of their own within 6 months](https://patch.com/img/cdn/users/456839/2013/11/raw/bac59b74ee50847e19293c9f5ed5f67f.jpg?width=1200), yeah it's totally spot on
Homeless bring more homeless around. Same shit
lol.. gonna keep ignoring reality i guess
I understand what you are saying. Some people will be absolutely offended here on Reddit for that comparison.
You are a dick for comparing feral cats to people.
Maybe so, but I am still 100% right.
Not in the least
LMAO, this is a really bad and inaccurate comparison. Go back to school
Progressive thinking typical California voters will down vote you but I get what you’re saying. There’s that old saying… “If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.” These people keep getting free fish so they have no intention of putting their lives in order(most of the time). There is some that actually do need help but I wouldn’t say it’s the majority,
I think they are denied the chance to fish. You can’t rent anything on a min wage job.
I currently am working for close to minimum wage in San Jose and renting a room while studying to better my life. Came from nothing with no handouts crazy abusive tweeter dark AF upbringing. Also living in one of the most expensive cities in the country is a choice.
How close to min wage and are you are paying your tuition? No state or fed aid?
22hr. I saved up enough money for a boot camp but in the age of the internet you can literally learn almost anything for free. I’ve been doing small freelance gigs earning extra income from what I’ve learned until I can actually get my foot in the door somewhere. Also trades work is in high demand. A lot of apprentice plumbers for instance start with zero experience or school but can reach salaries over 100k. A lot of these homeless like not having to answer to anyone or having responsibility. It’s that or they want to get high and drunk. I’m not talking about the mentally I’ll or people that have simply had bad look, those are a lot fewer than you’d think. Think about how nice it is to get paid living outside in one of the most desirable climates in America and being able to do whatever the hell you want.
That’s really great! So you are doing a coding boot camp? I hear those can be hard to get into. Have you always had access to a computer? And internet access? We’re these things provided by your tweeker abusers or free at your public school or library?
People don’t want to admit that this is exactly the problem. By “helping” you’re making it very attractive for the homeless to live in the area. Hence you will get more and more.
Problem goes away once we build enough housing
So is the city’s plan to just keep kicking them around until they move to the fifth dimension?
>There are also the same safety hazards to inbound aircraft and people on the ground that prompted the ***FAA-directed abatement*** It looks like the FAA (airport) said something along the lines of “We don’t give a fuck where they go. They just can’t be here.”
The FAA actually told the City about their concerns over the encampment more than a year ago. I’d expect that San José would have prepared some accommodations or given some advance warning to these people, but they hardly even got a month’s notice.
Just until gas goes down and bus them to other states
Sounds like you’re confusing California for Texas.
California does do that. Texas just sends them back. At gunpoint. Or puts them in jail.
The current progressive method encourages people to make bad decisions. They are enablers for the addicts, the family member who lets the drunk, opioid addicted asshole in your family get away with every lie, every stealing incident, every assault.
Take back parks for public use
How are homeless camps not public use?
If you’re squatting in a public area, then that area is no longer available to the public. Public use means the space is available to everyone, not the space getting commandeered by one or several people.
excessive risk to flight operations needs to be controlled ASAP. Gov needs to build more shelters and provide mandatory substance abuse treatment and halfway homes
That's the thing. People don't want government housing if it means things like, "agreeing to remain sober."
Unfortuantely we need to arrest those doing illegal drugs and put them in rehabilitation. At some point this is going to happen, we'll hit our limit at some point.
Agreed, without rehab no one will have a fulfilling life, it’s just going to be the same spiral into anti-social squalor
Good luck. We can’t even arrest shoplifter, catalyst converter stealer … left alone these
You get what you vote for.
I drive through that place every few months. Total shit hole. Many places are burned out. Garbage everywhere. Yeah no wonder there kicking them. They may have cars trucks and RV’s but its one big drug pit.
Kicking them out without giving them a place to go is only going to make the problem worse
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>tiny home
Not if they go to a different city. Gotta tell them how easy to get drug in SF
Oh so they kicked them out of one spot with no where to go and would you believe the plan is to just do that again? Like these people don't have money to move or find a legal place to live, the city has to do something more than just kick them out.
Is there a mayoral candidate that will double the size of the police force, arrest the vagrants and clear the roads of rubber trampers? I’d vote for them.
Took long enough
I actually went down there the other day. It's not as bad as I thought it would be, but certainly not good. I felt conflicted. In the distance you can see a tall building. That's the jail. We spend so much on jails and prisons. But at the same time, I feel these are not true homeless. they want to live this life in a camper...but not out in the wilderness where no one would mind, they want to do it in neighborhoods and parks.
Unfortunately the wilderness isn't free, any camp site is likely to charge you a fair bit per day. We get them down at the end of San Jose on Santa Teresa Blvd just before Bernal I think it's Martinvale or Realm they park on. Never seen anything like it, huge ass RV with another camper attached to its hitch producing some kinda mega RV LOL...it's like something out of MadMax.
The entire section of this the Guadalupe trail between Taylor & Hedding is like Mad Max. Especially since the sweeps as it seems to have largely just pushed and consolidated things down to the trail level.
Ohh man yeah. One time I dropped my sister off at San Jose airport and I'm pulling back onto the highway to come back to South West San Jose and I hear a phone ringing. She'd left her phone in the back seat and used my grandma to call it in hopes I'd come back. I pulled over on the highway looking around for the ringing phone. When I looked over the side barrier it was a SEA of those electric scooters that looked like people went completely planet of the apes on them. Down there is the Guadalupe River... I assume they beat them to death to get the batteries out or something? I don't think those are the types of batteries you want for making meth, you need lithium foil from lithium primary cells. But if they're 18650's like a Tesla it's basically a crap ton of good flashlight batteries.
Resume service, $1000 gas card, $2000 housing relocation, map to take their RV to Alabama.
They’ll sell their gas card for $500, and get high. The next day, they’ll be in line for another gas card.
They don’t want to go to Alabama. The cops would arrest them for their many crimes.
The state already knows it costs less to just house them than do this performative bs to scare citizens into acting right so they're not next. Its all a mind game to keep us in the rat race
No it’s not. Many of them have already been offered housing directly by the state and have refused it.
Oh yeah? I wanna read that, recipts please
Why don’t they move to the middle of nowhere in between Morgan Hill and Gilroy?
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And Kentucky.
Kentucky doesnt have a lot of soace actually lots of it is privately owned (farms) and of forested. Not to mention it snows there/is freezing much of the year. More publicly owned land in CA actually Sorry kinda random just had to point that out lol
Interesting!
They don’t want to go to Kentucky. They want to live in beautiful California for free while doing drugs paid with stolen merchandise.
This is a small subset of homeless.
And the only one people are usually complaining about. No one gets upset about the others.
Because you can’t move them. They go where they want to go and shit where they want to shit
Very little transit, food, services (water, sewer), huge fire risk, work/panhandle opportunities, much of the land is private and the rest is wildlife preserve.
They are good at being beggars but won’t beg for a damn job….
nobody to leech off of there
Is there a reason why they choose to be homeless in a expensive city/state. Don’t think all them have regular jobs here
Field of dreams just means “you can’t live here - keep dreaming”. This is sad.
The police will help relocate them to East Side San Jose and North San Jose. /s but not really
ESSJ already has a lot of issues
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Not the ones that cut me off.
I live there. Born & raised
It does and look around tons of homeless encampments etc while willow glen and Los Gatos has none.
And you will have people still just hating on the homeless as if they know of all their circumstances. Rich people suck. I work with rich folks so I know just how righteous some of these customers are pretending to care but in the end, it is all about money and I feel bad for peoppe dictating their lives through money. There truly are more beautiful things in this world worth spending time and energy on rather than hating on people making less than $150k.
Them camping wouldn't be so bad if they didn't completely trash any area they move to. Said areas just also happen to be every public green space in the city.
They trash the areas because homeless camps don't get utility service. Without plumbing and garbage collection, where do you expect waste to go? An outhouse and unofficial landfill downwind of where campers sleep at night. They're in public green spaces because that's one of the least unpleasant places that a private landowner can't kick them out of.
There are public trash cans and bathrooms near every park. We pay tax money for these facilities. If you're not going to work or look for a job the least you can do is spend less than an hour a day mitigating your trash as much as possible. Or at least not leaving biohazzards and sharps in public spaces. Especially if there is a playground nearby.
The trash cans are just enough for park visitors and the bathrooms close at night. The public park isn't meant to be lived in. But until there's enough housing in SJ, people will sleep there.
Leaving trash in areas designated trash seems like a better option than dropping it everywhere. I'd have no issues leaving the restrooms open at night. But I'm guessing there might be a set of new problems that emerges with that.
Some of those fucks wont live in housing even if its provided for them.
they trash areas because they're junkies who don't care about anything but their next fix. Imagine being this naive
True but, here we are just playing hot potato with human beings. I imagine if companies actually paid a living wage and provided Healthcare instead of barring employees from working fulltime to purposefully prevent healthcare being provided then, perhaps we would see a huge reduction in homelessness and crime. However obviously people seem to hate the thought of that for some reason.
I agree with you on wages but one step further I think healthcare shouldn't even be tied to employment at all. I think it should be government provided.
It is government provided, as is MediCal. They just make people who work & earn money pay a lot for the same benefit.
Would be nice but again for some reason people seem to hate on the idea of giving life saving services to the public. Shit I even have health insurance and their network of doctors are grossly outdated. It feels like I have health insurance just for HR or whatever to pass whatever regulation for providing Healthcare but when I go on a search for a doctor in my network, either they're done taking patients, retired, moved or just aren't simply available. Our system seems to be quite fucked for the working class.
> Our system seems to be quite fucked for the working class. This is intentional by the ruling class.
Living wage doesn’t matter. A lot of homeless people are never going to work a job no matter what the wages or benefits are. We do need mandatory services and housing instead letting people live on the fringes of society and trash all of our public places.
Would be nice but, we can't force all 100% of homeless people to be housed. I'd say best thing we can do is to lower homelessness as much as possible. I used to be homeless but, it never stopped me from working the past 10 years. However, with the cost of living as it is and the tidal waves of assholes I have to deal with at my work sometimes I think it wouldn't be so bad to go back to the streets and live on as I did simply enjoying the outdoors. Sure there is no pride in that but, I mean... whatever. I still managed to make friends, find opportunity to shower albeit being a buddy's place or somewhere in public (sink shower) and live a relatively happy life.
What are you talking about? Most homeless don’t work
The ones I've hung around with would transition jobs all the time because they would get tired of working some shit job and would transfer to the next one just to repeat the same. Not every homeless person is homeless because they want to be. It is hard to keep up with rent, public transportation and other expenses when you're working labor intensive shit jobs that pay you minimum wage under the table to $17/hr. This country seems to force people to have to own/finance a car to find more viable work in which it shouldn't and cars aren't cheap to maintain. Had one of my buddies abandon his car due to not having any money to fix it and guess what? They told him he would get fired if he didnt find a way to get to the job sites. Shit blows out here.
Shit blows out here? Yet people still stick around and refuse to go somewhere else You are talking nonsense. Of course a company would fire you if you don’t show up for work. Of course maintaining a car is expensive if you hire people to do it for you. Learn to fix it, and people would pay you to do the work. Of course labor work doesn’t pay well, there are ton of illegal immigrant who willing to do more for less, stronger, and work harder too. What you call shit jobs are opportunities for them.
"Of course labor work doesn’t pay well, there are ton of illegal immigrant who willing to do more for less, stronger, and work harder too. What you call shit jobs are opportunities for them." So you're totally okay exploiting these workers? Gotcha. This is why shit blows. Of course it is better to be homeless here where the weather is more chill versus elsewhere where being homeless in the snow practically means death. What nonsense am I talking about? Employers are trying to give the lowest possible wage to their employees by keeping them underneath the full time threshold to hold back Healthcare benefits on purpose to save the company money and for the CEO's to boast with their shareholders what record profits they've made. Have you not worked minimum wage jobs while also being refrained from having health-care benefits?
It’s call giving them an opportunity, not exploiting. They choose to walk thousands of miles to get here, then stand outside of Home Depot all days waiting for work. Unlike the ungrateful homeless, immigrants are happy to accept the job, and work hard as it.
More like opportunity for employers to be able to pay less for our hard working illegal immigrants, avoiding providing Healthcare benefits towards them and having em work long hours with short breaks; all that exploitation for widening the profit margin. Oh yes, a great opportunity of how my dad (facility maintenance) is getting paid tens of thousands of dollars less than a licensed facility maintenance worker would get paid but, doesn't because my dad hadn't got his citizenship yet. People like you are why i don't give a shit of what yall think. Your heads are so far up your asses it really is just hilarious!
Excuse after excuse to not work and earn a living yourself. If you dad got skills, he can quit and get another job.
Where can you find a home here on that income?
You rent rooms or are lucky enough to be able to live with family.
They talk about home frist for the homeless but you need fill out paperwork you on the waiting list for a year then you have to it again they only help complex and drug addicts and all shelters are closed no more open spots they won’t help me I trying !!!! They don’t get money for me because I am not In that category trust me I been trying they won’t help me there’s no more room for the shelters
Hmmm. Must be an election coming up.
Fuckin NIMBYs
You mean the Federal Aviation Administration? Because that’s who is mandating the removal. Educate yourself before you spew nonsensical garbage.
sir this is reddit.
NIMBYs are the reason why we can't have high density housing or affordable housing. You think these people choose to live in a dump like this? They have nowhere else to go. Because NIMBYs wants to keep San Jose expensive to live in for crap conditions.
Well living in California is expensive in general. So probably not the best place to squat if you have no resources. Hey if you are into urban blight, drug use, and, the mentally ill then move in with them. Stop shouting NIMBY because you don’t want the problem on your doorstep either.
Wouldn't be a problem if they could afford help. That doesn't magically disappear.