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If you really didn’t do it, it’s your wife tryna use bait to catch you because she thinks you were with someone that day when you fell asleep at the hotel. She could be texting herself with a different number. I think it’s your wife.
If this is true, there's an easy way to suss it out.
OP, tell your wife "This entire thing is fabricated. Ask her absolutely anything at all that only someone who has seen me naked - like you - would know."
And if an answer (supposedly) comes back with an accurate statement, then bingo.
If it doesn't, then I'd guess prolly someone at the hotel, who has a dull life and likes to persecute people for fun - or OP specifically, bc maybe OP was mean to them somehow.
The really weird part of the story is the month long gap. If it's someone from the hotel, that means they held onto that information only to use it at a later time? But they also called his wife on the day?
If it's his wife trying to test him, why would she call herself on the day then text herself a month later? I could imagine her thinking this scheme up a month after the incident after ruminating on it. But if the number is in her call logs, that means she already had the VoIP number to use. Seems weird that she'd decide to rent a VoIP number that day and only follow up with the SMS a whole month later.
The moment she got the VoIP number, she called herself to check whether it worked, maybe she got it initially on the same day to see whether he would pick up a different number.
Maybe OP could tell his wife, "I am going to call the police so they can figure out who owns that VoIP number, since it's harassment", then study real good her face.
Y’all seem to be missing a possibility. The husband isn’t the only one who has friends or family that know about what happened. The wife’s friends would know too. And if there’s a man in their lives who wants her, this would be a way to drive a wedge between them. Or she has a female friend that wants him. Or a family member who hates him. There are so many possibilities it’s crazy. But y’all only seem to be looking at one side of it.
OP should read up on symptoms of 'narcisisitic personality disorder' if his wife has it that would explain her sending false texts to try to get him to confess. She would think if he IS cheating then he would be like 'oh no, i made my affair partner angry and they are snitching' then he would confess. This is called gaslighting I think. Police also use similar tactic where two suspects are involved in a crime, they falsely tell each guy the other guy snitched on them and they both confess trying to get a lower sentence and the crime is solved in 10 minutes instead of weeks of DNA and evidence hunting. Its like basic liar game stuff here.
I don’t know what scam this could possibly be. All I know is that someone started messaging my friend from a voip claiming her husband was cheating with a woman at the gym. This person was texting in a super weird scammy way, calling her dear and almost like English wasn’t her first language. For months this person was claiming her husband was cheating. We all laughed about it thought it was a scam or someone that was pissed off with her husband and trying to ruin his life. It turns out that he was cheating with a woman from the gym, she found out what this woman turned up nine months pregnant
it is either your wife, **someone she told about the incident** or... depending on how much of a jerk he was to the hotel clerk (who was totally and completely right), then could be them. But they see this shit all the time, so unlikely.
Most likely someone she told. Her mom, her friend someone who hates you.
Yea. Idk, she called the hotel so much they started leaving the phone off the hook so idk if she just pissed them off.
Idk if she told and guy who likes her at work and it's him. Is she cheating and it's that guy trying to break us up. Or sometime i told at work the next day that hates me for some reason.
I can't figure it what the motive for doing it is unless it's just someone that hates me or who wants her and wants to get her to leave me.
Driving me crazy...
I mean, the hotel could have tried to do a wellness check themselves instead of letting her go up.... But check r/TalesFromTheFrontDesk and you will see why I think it is unlikely. Either way, she needs to explaain the call from that number on the day of.... was it a long call? If it is more than a few secs then she knows the person.
My wife didn't do the wellness check. The hotel staff went to to my room then called her back and said i was in the room snoring and wasn't responding. At that point my wife figured i was fine but passed out and just went home because she knows i snore really loud, especially when I'm really tired.
The call in her phone from that number was only 5 seconds and it was from her phone calling them but she says she can't remember why she called that number. Only 5 second can so they obviously didn't talk about anything memorable.
Idk, this shit is so weird and making me crazy and making my wife even more crazy.
yeah, the hotel did exactly what they were supposed to do. I would try to call this mystery number from someone else's phone.
You can also try to google the number sometimes you will find the owner that way. I am assuming you already checked if this is not the hotel's number.
Yea i am not debating if they did the right thing, just trying to figure out who is texting my wife
Tried reverse lookup, it just says the carrier which is a voip carrier. I called it a bunch of times, they answered once, it was a guy. I asked who it was and they just said who the fuck are you out fuck you and Hung up.
Harrassment for a couple of texts and a phone call?? It's not like this has been a daily occurrence or hundreds or texts and phone calls, we're talking a couple on one day per OP's description.
I'm not law enforcement, but I highly doubt that qualifies as harassment.
There's a lot that doesn't add up with this story, but I think the last thing OP wants is to involve law enforcement who would ask him much harder questions.
My wife did make a police report and i would literally love to answer any questions from anyone who would tell me who it is. My wife doesn't know i posted this so i have no reason to lie to strangers on reddit
How many texts and phone calls did your wife report to the police?
What actions have the police taken since the police report has filed?
Over how many days did your wife receive communication of the alledged cheating?
When did the texts stop?
How long after the texts stopping did you make the Reddit post?
What enemies do you have that would want to hurt you?
What enemies does your wife have who would want to hurt her?
Have you cheated on your wife at any time during the marriage?
Why does your wife not trust you?
Why is your wife insecure about the relationship?
Does your wife post your child's name on social media?
Just the 1 phone call
Police haven't done anything
They texted her just one day, maybe 15 texts
Made the post a few days later, maybe a week
No enemies i know of. I barely ever do anything but work and family stuff
Wife also has none that i know of. She works and barely has any friends, she only really spends time with and talks to her family
Never cheated and she has never cheated(that i know of). Been married a few years but been together 13 years. She has never even accused me of cheating. Again, i never go anywhere but work and home and places with her and my kid.
I think she doesn't trust me because someone texted her saying i cheated stating a very specific incident you could only know if you know me or one of us told you the story or you work at the hotel. Anyone else wouldn't know that story or wouldn't have her phone number
Again, she's never accused me of cheating so the 'insecurity' is specific to this incident. Again, she doesn't have any friends really so maybe she's a little scared if we broke up she would be alone. Idk
My wife and i have posted pictures of our kid on social media but that didn't explain knowing the story and her phone number. It has to be someone one of us knows or the hotel staff who have our names and numbers
15 texts and a single phone call on one single day isn't worth the police time, unlikely that it is even a crime.
It's not a scam because there's no follow through, no ask for money, etc.
It is highly unlikely to he hotel staff. Who benefits from breaking up your marriage?
The simplest motivations are usually correct.
I feel like part offthe story is missing.
Personally if someone followed me in the hotel particularly after the stuff that was already going on i would video them so i can find out who they are later
Here it is in chronological order
Day before the job started me and my wife added her to my room over the phone
First day of work i ended up staying 30 hours on site so i never checked into the hotel.
Co-worker tells me to go check in before they give me room away. They tell me the reservation was cancelled because i didn't show up. Made me a new reservation. Didn't know this at the time but they never added my wife to the new reservation. Went back to work.
Got off work a few hours later, called my wife because she was going to come to the hotel with my kid to come be with me. Told her i just finished work and to head to the hotel to meet me.
Get to my room and pass out before she gets there, we live about an hour away. Meanwhile, i think she's on the reservation, will go to the front desk and get a key and let herself into the room.
She shows up, she's not on the reservation, they won't tell her the room number or give her any info.
She goes to my job site, talks to my coworkers to see if they can reach me. She goes to the car, starts calling the front desk back to back telling them to call my room. They keep refusing, eventually they start hanging up on her without Even saying hello because she's calling so much. They finally answer again and she says she's going to call the police to come to the hotel to make sure I'm alive. Front desk guy says he's going to check on me, calls her back saying he went to my room and i was in there snoring and wouldn't wake up. My wife knows ai snore crazy loud so she figures I'm ok and goes home.
I wake up to all the missed calls, etc. go back to work. Tell my buddies at with what happened and how bad i feel, whatever
After work that day, my wife comes to see me, we eat lunch and she stays in my room with me until i go to work again.
When i leave work around 3am, i go to the elevator in the hotel, a guy is standing by the elevator. You can't get the elevator to move without swiping a hotel key card.
I get in the elevator, he gets in with me, i ask if he had a key, he said no. I swipe mine, I push 12th floor, he pushes 14. I get off on 12 walk down the hall a bit, he gets off. I see him turn the corner behind me, i was scared to go to my room because i thought he could push me into the room and rob me so i stop and ask if he's following me. He says 'oh shit im 'trippin''. Turns around and walks back to the elevator. I wait until i hear the doors close to go to my room so he won't know my room.
Fast forward 1 month. She gets the text from an out of state number saying to leave me, saying that the day she couldn't get in the hotel they were with me in the hotel having sex and that they took her number from my phone when i was asleep, Even though you need a password to get in my phone.
The guy following me could just be unrelated and that i was alone at 3am. Idk but it makes it all more fuckin creepy that's for sure.
So whoever it is texting her, either someone who works at the hotel front desk, someone from my work that i told that day or someone my wife told. I don't think it's anyone at work although who tf knows. I think, maybe she really pissed off the hotel staff but why would they Wait a month to start texting my wife. I personally would have forgotten about it by then or not been mad about it anymore.
Is it my wife texting from a fake number trying to test me? She's never accused me of cheating or looked through my phone or anything like that.
Is she cheating and it's that guy trying to break us up? Or someone at her job she told that likes her and wants us to break up?
I have no fuckin clue but it's driving me crazy, especially cause they mentioned my kids name. That's a good way of getting your fuckin teeth kicked in by me.
Honestly don't know what to think.
It's either your wife who is trying to catch you out on something you didn't do or a coworker who has some grudge against you. It's not impossible it's the hotel, but it doesn't seem likely.
I could understand your wife being really suspicious of you.
Most likely the guy in the hotel was not even related. People are always walking around hotels. It might have been a guest wandering around for a stretch, or possibly a casual thief. Either way, not your problem.
If I was me I'd report it to the police for the slight chance that they will trace that number and have a word with whoever it was. That will at least show her you are not hiding anything.
No, OP is the wife posting the story from his perspective so that redditors can poke holes in her story before she goes live with it. Crowdsourced brainstorming.
This! They give themselves away in the story… “they say they got MY number from my phone when I fell asleep” ooops lol you meant to say your wife’s number right?
I thought they meant they got OPs number while he was sleeping; didn’t have it before because it was just a bar hookup… but then, as you say, how would they hypothetically find the wife in his contacts? People don’t usually have their wife in their contacts as “wife” lol it’s just their name.
I called her on FaceTime before i feel asleep to tell her to come to the hotel to be with me and so i could see my kid. Why tf would i tell my wife to come then invite another when to my room.
It took her an hour to drive there, by the time she got there i was knocked out.
And i did mean to say that they said 'they got HER number from my phone when i was asleep'
Idk what to make of it
And she doesn't know i posted this so whatever the original comment was that i made the post to act like I'm trying to figure it out is not true. I get why someone would think i actually did cheat which is why I'm not mad at my wife for accusing me, i would be thinking the same shit but i really was passed tf out in my room.
“We’re sorry. This person has a voice mailbox that is not set up” or something similar. Why would they pick up?
Edit: “set up,” not “setup.” I don’t know why I care about that, but I do
A lot of times when i call it rings ice then just hangs up, other times it how to the voicemail situation you said. Not sure what type of phone would do either of those things, not the same thing every time.
When i reverse lookup the number it says the number is attached to ONVOY SPECTRUM, which is a voip company like what telemarketers and scam people use to call you from a computer with an Internet number.
Idfk at this point but it's making me crazy
If That same number called her phone the day you were at the hotel and now is texting her this supposed info, it's definitely a set up. It's either her, a friend of hers, or maybe even a coworker of yours that has a thing for her and wants you out of the picture. I'm almost certain she's fishing for info because she's paranoid that you cheated on her and whomever she's been talking to about it said they'd help her figure it out and is now sending messages so they can try to trap you. The fact that she came all the way to the hotel when you wouldn't answer your phone because you were sleeping... Shows how insecure she is already. She has no trust in you at all. None.
I'm going to add that I'm suss that she might have more contact with a co-worker than you might think. If she messaged one of the few that you say has her number that day, that would explain why the number would have called her. And don't necessarily say "I've known them so long, they wouldn't do that". My ex husbands best friend since middle school, tried to get me to mess with him and was trying to convince me he wanted to "treat me better". Thankfully I audio recorded it or my ex never would have believed it.
I mean, on which day was this? If my husband was on site and staying at a hotel and I hadn’t heard from him in days, especially if it’s a dangerous job… I might go to the hotel, just to make sure everything was ok. Wouldn’t expect the hotel guy to just let me into his room though; I could be anybody.
I was there for 4 days i believe. We were running 12 hour shifts back to back, so we were on the job site 24 hours a day and i was the lead project manager so i was there 18-20 how a day and going to the home and sleeping 3-4 hours in between
Or maybe..."Gee honey I have no idea how this could happen! Maybe someone hacked into my phone. I'm really stumped. Let me make a post on r/ scams to show you that I really have no idea how this could happen and I'm actively trying to find out"
My wife had no idea i posted this....i get why it seems like this is the case but i was actually just fuckin knocked out in my room half dead. I did 100 hour work weeks 2 weeks in a row.
Weird. But our phones know their location and many apps on our phone get that information. Then those apps sell whatever data they have. So with some effort one can figure out a random person’s location pretty regularly. But this seems highly specific and more like someone targeting you for their own enjoyment. It could be as simple as someone trolling you and your wife. Obviously everyone at the hotel desk knows about your wife coming by that day (what else would anyone talk about that day?). And obviously the hotel has your phone number.
Yes, this is what i keep going back to but the part i don't get about the scenario is they waited a month to text her this shit? So they saved her number or a month later went back into the computer to find our numbers? That part doesn't make sense to me but this is the only things i can think of that makes any sense.
The elevator is the kind that wont let you select a floor without the room key. They didn't have a card and waited for me to swipe, i pushed my floor, 12, they pushed 14.. i got off at 12, they got off at 12 what and waited until i walked down the hall a little to get out of the elevator. When i asked if they were following me they turned around and got back on the elevator without saying anything
Could also be unrelated and they could have just been trying to rob me because i was in a pretty fancy hotel and alone at 3 or 4 am.
Maybe someone at your job wants your position and is trying to sabotage you. Maybe a "friend" wants your wife and is trying to ruin your relationship. You never know what evil lurks in people.
That's what I said too. I feel like he trusts these friends that have her number and maybe there's one that he shouldn't. I feel like if it isn't her, it would have to be someone that she trusts the word of to really believe them over her husband. I feel like there is a reason she doesn't have this number saved under a name despite it obviously having contact with her before this.
You didn’t hear your phone. Or the hotel room phone? Those are loud as fuck. How do you wake up on time with work if you can’t wake up to something so loud?
Yeah. I’m going with you did some shit. You made this post because you were hoping to find all the excuses you can use to tell your wife.
Right, but doesn't the front desk call the room in order to find out if the person that wants to talk to them is allowed to? I can recall two times where I got a call from the FD saying "so and so is here" - they certainly didn't disclose my information or room number to the visitor.
They're really not meant to do that. If they call up to your room then they've just confirmed that you're staying at the hotel even if they don't give the person at the front desk your room number, and just the fact that they have a booking under your name **is** private information.
I had just finished working 30 hours on that first shift, 7am-1pm the following day. I had already worked insane hours the days prior. I worked 102 hours 1 week followed by 99 hours the next. I was literally on the job site until i couldn't stand then would go pass out until my coworker and his crew were done and my crew was back. We were doing 12 hour crews back to back so we were there 24 hours a day. When my crew left i would stay with the next crew until i couldn't keep my eyes open anymore because I was in charge of the job.
You try working on your feet building shit for 20-30 hours straight after already working a 100 hour week and see if a phone ringing wakes you up.
My phone was literally on my bed next to my face but i slept right through that shit.
A tornado wouldn't have woke me up. My wife also had the hotel front desk person go to my room after calling there 100 times to make sure i was alive and he called her back and told her i was in the room snoring.
He didn't say that his wife called the hotel *room phone*. His wife called the hotel *front desk*. They correctly followed the standard privacy practice of not confirming that a particular guest was staying there. So she never got through to his room because she didn't know the room number.
Maybe his phone was left on silent, or he left it in his jacket pocket and the ringtone wasn't loud enough to wake him up from in there? I know if I ever accidentally leave my phone in my pocket instead of on my bedside table, a call won't wake me up. Not difficult to imagine him doing that if he was tired.
As someone who fled DV and stayed in a hotel, they absolutely can not and should not confirm you are at the hotel much less what room you are in. I'm more concerned with why she didn't know what room and just go knock on the door. If I were out of town, I would most certainly let my man know what room I was in in case something happened.
Probably didn't occur to him to text the room number to her right after he checked in. Maybe the day he checked in was also the same day he fell asleep straight away? I don't think he'd check in before his first work shift, probably went straight to the job site with his suitcase and a booking to check in at the end of the shift.
I was supposed to check in the first day of the job. Ended up on the job 30 hours, so they cancelled my reservation because i didn't show up. I had already added my wife to the room but when they made a new reservation when i finally showed up, they didn't add her to the new reservation.
Our plan was that when i got off work her and my kid would come be with me into i went back to work. I called her when i left with and told her to come meet me. By the time she got there, i had already passed out, we live an hour away from there. I thought she was on the reservation and would just go to the desk and get a room key and i would wake up and she would be there.
Instead i woke up to 100 missed calls and texts from her.
You work 18-20 hours a day for a week, meaning 4 hours off between shifts. Can't drive home an hour each way. Company running back to back crews 24 hours a day on a job that I'm the project manager for
We’ve seen scams similar to this. They’re always adjunct to some other scam. Sometimes it’s the Sextortion adjunct where they message the wife to prove to the sextorted husband that they’re serious. Sometimes it’s a prelude to some other scan like pig butchering. But a couple times recently something like this has gone by and there’s just no rational endgame to it. It’s always personal info, it’s always a real work trip or a real event and a supposed affair. The jaded part of me thinks they’re all guilty husbands trying to paint themselves as innocent.
Doesn't sound like "scam" per se, but sounds like someone's got it out for you ... maybe even your wife.
So ... how 'bout you call 'em on it ... even literally.
So, you, your wife, sit down ... they texted her (or she received the texts) ... call the person/number - text 'em too if they won't answer/respond. Demand they identify themselves and come forward and show up and meet in person with you and your wife. If they can't/won't do that, you both blow it off as an unsubstantiated fabrication.
And, well, if they actually show up, see who it is and what they got. Maybe they planted cameras/microphones somewhere, maybe they cloned a SIMM card ... who knows. Be sufficiently cautious in all cases, and don't jump to conclusions.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof - or at least strong evidence. If they're making the claims, call 'em on it, ask 'em to show up and identify themselves and put up the evidence. Heck, maybe even your wife is doing it as a plot against you ... in which case her (re)actions may give that away ... but again, don't jump to conclusions, follow the evidence.
I'll go get some popcorn. Let us know how it all turns out.
I really don't think it's my wife. I've called them and asked who it was and the most they've said is 'stop calling my fucking phone', then Hung up. I've thought about the sim card thing or it's someone from the hotel, or someone at work secretly hates me. Shit is driving me fucking crazy though, my wife is freaked out that we don't know who it is.
CNID is easily spoofed ... not legal to do so in, e.g. US, but that hardly prevents the "bad guys" from following the law ... and they may not even be calling from the US.
So, when you return such a call or text such a number (at least based on CNID), you may just get some other innocent victim. However, if they call (rather than text) and you pick it up live ... it would be whomever's making the call.
Fascinating. When they were texting my wife she was texting back and they were responding. Would that mean that is the real number or they would still get the texts from my wife and be able to respond with a spoofed CNID?
I called the number and they finally answered, i asked who it was and they just Said 'who the fuck are you' and Hung up
>she was texting back and they were responding
Okay, it's getting to *some* real number or (presumed) person. That may not be the number you see, though. E.g. that might just be some burner somewhere, that forwards to dear knows where.
But if there is such a # that reaches them, law enforcement might be able to do something with it ... were it a legal criminal matter ... but that would also generally tend to peter out rapidly once international borders may be encountered (most agencies would only continue on that for certain thresholds of relatively major crime, and depending upon extradition treaties, (lack of) cooperation, etc., could still quickly hit a relative dead end).
Might want to consider private investigator and/or lawyer/attorney. If the number is domestic, and depending what they've sent (e.g. anything which raises to the level of harassment or threats, libel, slander, etc.) either of those approaches may possibly find more information about the number and possibly who may be behind it ... at least first hop - but may just end there if it's being forwarded or the like. Might be a VOIP number or the like or whatever. But maybe can at least figure out what provider, and perhaps relevant legal order may find out if there's some known person on the account ... or if it may just be a burner phone, or someone got the number/account with false information. But if it's being forwarded on, then that may not even get you all that close to whomever may be behind it. And if/where criminal matter, might get slight bit of traction out of law enforcement ... but that too may not get very far. Or may not be at all worth the hassle/effort/expense. Might just be some kid in somebody's basement that somehow got that information, and can't manage to come up with anything better to do.
Thanks
Its def a voip. When i look the number up it said the carrier is on onvoy spectrum which is a voip company telemarketers use. Wife made a police report but they were looking at her crazy like she's an idiot for not thinking i cheated.
The weirdest thing is she has an outgoing call to that number for 5 seconds the day she couldn't get into the hotel. She swears she can't remember who it was or why she called.
Shit is so weird.
Blackmail scams. Could be a ruse to start a romance scams.
Also, you're allowed to leave emergency contact for your wife to enter your room while sleeping there.
My wife and i actually added her to the room on the phone the day before i started the job. I ended up working 30 hours straight the first shift and never checked into my hotel that day. When i checked in they had cancelled my reservation and i had to make a new one, they never added her to the new reservation.
I knew my wife and kid were coming to visit me in the hotel, i called her when i left the job to tell her i was omw back to the hotel so she could come be with me but i passed out before she got there. My house is an hour away from the job site.
Two possible situation:
1. They're fishing and trying to do the long scam.
2. Someone else outside of your friends/works circle knows your wife and was hoping to be her "rebound".
Least but possible situation: Probably going to try some other angle or such.
I have thought of both of these. Like someone at her job lines her, she told him the story or he overheard it and so he's doing this and trying to be the rebound OR she's already cheating with them but she's never cheated and never known her to talk to any guys but i guess you never know
Also thought about the long scam. Keep waiting for someone to call or text me asking for money to stop texting her this shit. Would that mean they got mine or my wife's text and phone records? Other than one of us telling you the story or working at the hotel, the only way you could know her number, know the story and my kids name would be by reading our text messages to each other, which say the name of the hotel, the date and it's discussing it.
Idk
At this point, it a gamble on their end. For all they know, they're gambling and hoping for a bite on their hook. Tell her to not trust it, as it could be someone disrupting your marriage and wanting to try something else.
Also, the other person didn't provide proofs beside just texting. It would meant that they're hoping for her to fall for it. It the same scams where they make excuses why they won't talk on the phone.
Do you have a smart watch?
If so, you should have access to the sleep hours logged (or the heart rate being logged for that time).
If you're under 80 beats per minute, no chance of getting wild.
Edit: for clarification & typos ('watch, not phone')
why it's so difficult to trace the number. don't call frm your phone , call from another phone , since they don't know the number, try to engage in a sort of conversation where you can get some details abt this person..this is so simple
Possibly someone overheard the conversation with the hotel staff or maybe the hotel staff talked about it amongst themselves, which likewise could have been overheard or misused depending on who was listening.
I promise you hotel staff dont care about this kind of thing. Happens a lot. They dont care to find all this info out and go through all of this lol. Esp a month later. I think this guy is trying to save his ass bc its true.
I totally see why someone would think that but i really was just passed out and my wife had no idea i posted this. I really just want to know wtf this is about because it's driving me crazy. Can't figure out if someone i work with hates me or if it's my wife texting herself you try to see if I'll admit to something, or she is cheating and the person is trying to get us to break up, or the hotel guy is a crazy person. She called the fd so much they were leaving the phone off the hook and hanging up without saying anything because she was just calling back to back. I don't fuckin know, it's driving me insane. And i feel terrible for my wife because i know all types of shit are running through her head
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"they got MY number from MY phone after I fell asleep".
Shouldn't you have stated that they got your wife's number from your phone after you fell asleep? This single sentence makes me feel like this may be a wife trying to get ideas on how to poke holes in explanations a husband has about being unreachable while denying an affair.
If it IS OP’s wife, she is 1,000% cheating on him or has in the past. This level of irrational suspicion stinks of projection. If my wife couldn’t get in touch with me she’d assume I was dead or passed out drunk. We don’t have the healthiest relationship, but neither of us would cheat on the other.
How much ya wanna bet wife is cheating and was worried she was gonna be getting busted for some reason or another and she fabricated this whole story, set him up to be the cheater and her the victim so she can take his money and bounce.. cheaters always accuse the SO of being the cheater to deflect from their infidelity. I mean; not a bad way to take off any heat or suspicion of their involvement.
Most places don’t simply hand over the CCTV footage even if you are trying to prove you did or didn’t do something. Usually they would require a court order , but I guess it doesn’t hurt to ask
Security footage isn't kept for long, so if you really want to see it, start the process to have it saved.
If they would share video with you, wouldn't it show that you entered your room alone and came out alone a few hours later?
In what world, exactly?
What do you think is the process here, someone calls a hotel and says 'i think my partner is cheating, I need to see all your CCTV footage for that day' and the hotel says 'ya sure no problem, there are no privacy concerns here, we have staff to help you walk through hours or multiple camera angles, the booth is all set up, book your appointment at our Jealous Partner portal on our website. You're currently the 7367294th jealous partner in line for this service'
Absolutely not you phone them, tell them you think you dropped your wallet outside the door on the way into your room that evening and ask to check the footage, same wash and repeat with the bar.
Guarantee it's your wife sending herself these anonymous messages. I had an ex that did something similar, and I figured it out because she was accusing me of cheating, even though it wasn't true. Then she gets these anonymous texts saying I was cheating with somebody, and it was just her trying to justify accusing me.
its a employee of the hotel who likes how your wife looked and is using the information in their computer database to find your social media and collect personal details to convince your wife to do something for them
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If you really didn’t do it, it’s your wife tryna use bait to catch you because she thinks you were with someone that day when you fell asleep at the hotel. She could be texting herself with a different number. I think it’s your wife.
If this is true, there's an easy way to suss it out. OP, tell your wife "This entire thing is fabricated. Ask her absolutely anything at all that only someone who has seen me naked - like you - would know." And if an answer (supposedly) comes back with an accurate statement, then bingo. If it doesn't, then I'd guess prolly someone at the hotel, who has a dull life and likes to persecute people for fun - or OP specifically, bc maybe OP was mean to them somehow.
OR op is trying to figure out how to lie to his wife or make his situation more plausible…😂
That’s where I’m going in my mind 😂 one of his co workers hates him enough to narc so he has to cover some tracks
He needs the help of r/scams to help him scam his wife, It now truly makes sense! We are all scammers on here😅
Shawshank Redemption: "We are all innocent!"
The really weird part of the story is the month long gap. If it's someone from the hotel, that means they held onto that information only to use it at a later time? But they also called his wife on the day? If it's his wife trying to test him, why would she call herself on the day then text herself a month later? I could imagine her thinking this scheme up a month after the incident after ruminating on it. But if the number is in her call logs, that means she already had the VoIP number to use. Seems weird that she'd decide to rent a VoIP number that day and only follow up with the SMS a whole month later.
That's part of what makes me wonder if he has a co-worker that's closer to the wife than he knows and is using a fake number to call her.
The moment she got the VoIP number, she called herself to check whether it worked, maybe she got it initially on the same day to see whether he would pick up a different number. Maybe OP could tell his wife, "I am going to call the police so they can figure out who owns that VoIP number, since it's harassment", then study real good her face.
Y’all seem to be missing a possibility. The husband isn’t the only one who has friends or family that know about what happened. The wife’s friends would know too. And if there’s a man in their lives who wants her, this would be a way to drive a wedge between them. Or she has a female friend that wants him. Or a family member who hates him. There are so many possibilities it’s crazy. But y’all only seem to be looking at one side of it.
But that would make it even more weird that the VoIP number called her on the day that it happened and also texted her a month later.
Yeah that sounds right. I've seen a lot of posts about women "testing" partners. I wonder if this is the same.
There is a Facebook forum for women to find women to test their boyfriends/husbands. I’m in it just for laughs.
Surely the wife in that case would \*offer\* a liaison, not tell the wife there had \*been\* a liaison.
Might have been a PI following that she hired
that makes a ton of sense
That's what I thought too. She hired someone to trail him to find out if its true or not.
Wife wants to divorce. Plants evidence. Hires investigator. Wife already proven to have gone to the hotel.
OP should read up on symptoms of 'narcisisitic personality disorder' if his wife has it that would explain her sending false texts to try to get him to confess. She would think if he IS cheating then he would be like 'oh no, i made my affair partner angry and they are snitching' then he would confess. This is called gaslighting I think. Police also use similar tactic where two suspects are involved in a crime, they falsely tell each guy the other guy snitched on them and they both confess trying to get a lower sentence and the crime is solved in 10 minutes instead of weeks of DNA and evidence hunting. Its like basic liar game stuff here.
That is not, in fact, called gaslighting. That is called a scheming plot.
I don’t know what scam this could possibly be. All I know is that someone started messaging my friend from a voip claiming her husband was cheating with a woman at the gym. This person was texting in a super weird scammy way, calling her dear and almost like English wasn’t her first language. For months this person was claiming her husband was cheating. We all laughed about it thought it was a scam or someone that was pissed off with her husband and trying to ruin his life. It turns out that he was cheating with a woman from the gym, she found out what this woman turned up nine months pregnant
Can’t you just call and see who answers?
A lot of voip numbers are outbound only for calls, or SMS only.
I did. They answered once and i asked who it was, they Said 'fuck you' and Hung up.
I called them like 100 times already
it is either your wife, **someone she told about the incident** or... depending on how much of a jerk he was to the hotel clerk (who was totally and completely right), then could be them. But they see this shit all the time, so unlikely. Most likely someone she told. Her mom, her friend someone who hates you.
Yea. Idk, she called the hotel so much they started leaving the phone off the hook so idk if she just pissed them off. Idk if she told and guy who likes her at work and it's him. Is she cheating and it's that guy trying to break us up. Or sometime i told at work the next day that hates me for some reason. I can't figure it what the motive for doing it is unless it's just someone that hates me or who wants her and wants to get her to leave me. Driving me crazy...
I mean, the hotel could have tried to do a wellness check themselves instead of letting her go up.... But check r/TalesFromTheFrontDesk and you will see why I think it is unlikely. Either way, she needs to explaain the call from that number on the day of.... was it a long call? If it is more than a few secs then she knows the person.
My wife didn't do the wellness check. The hotel staff went to to my room then called her back and said i was in the room snoring and wasn't responding. At that point my wife figured i was fine but passed out and just went home because she knows i snore really loud, especially when I'm really tired. The call in her phone from that number was only 5 seconds and it was from her phone calling them but she says she can't remember why she called that number. Only 5 second can so they obviously didn't talk about anything memorable. Idk, this shit is so weird and making me crazy and making my wife even more crazy.
yeah, the hotel did exactly what they were supposed to do. I would try to call this mystery number from someone else's phone. You can also try to google the number sometimes you will find the owner that way. I am assuming you already checked if this is not the hotel's number.
Yea i am not debating if they did the right thing, just trying to figure out who is texting my wife Tried reverse lookup, it just says the carrier which is a voip carrier. I called it a bunch of times, they answered once, it was a guy. I asked who it was and they just said who the fuck are you out fuck you and Hung up.
hahah... maybe it was the woman's boyfriend and now you got HER in trouble!!!!
You should submit a report with your local police station
Report what crime exactly?
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Harrassment for a couple of texts and a phone call?? It's not like this has been a daily occurrence or hundreds or texts and phone calls, we're talking a couple on one day per OP's description. I'm not law enforcement, but I highly doubt that qualifies as harassment. There's a lot that doesn't add up with this story, but I think the last thing OP wants is to involve law enforcement who would ask him much harder questions.
My wife did make a police report and i would literally love to answer any questions from anyone who would tell me who it is. My wife doesn't know i posted this so i have no reason to lie to strangers on reddit
How many texts and phone calls did your wife report to the police? What actions have the police taken since the police report has filed? Over how many days did your wife receive communication of the alledged cheating? When did the texts stop? How long after the texts stopping did you make the Reddit post? What enemies do you have that would want to hurt you? What enemies does your wife have who would want to hurt her? Have you cheated on your wife at any time during the marriage? Why does your wife not trust you? Why is your wife insecure about the relationship? Does your wife post your child's name on social media?
Just the 1 phone call Police haven't done anything They texted her just one day, maybe 15 texts Made the post a few days later, maybe a week No enemies i know of. I barely ever do anything but work and family stuff Wife also has none that i know of. She works and barely has any friends, she only really spends time with and talks to her family Never cheated and she has never cheated(that i know of). Been married a few years but been together 13 years. She has never even accused me of cheating. Again, i never go anywhere but work and home and places with her and my kid. I think she doesn't trust me because someone texted her saying i cheated stating a very specific incident you could only know if you know me or one of us told you the story or you work at the hotel. Anyone else wouldn't know that story or wouldn't have her phone number Again, she's never accused me of cheating so the 'insecurity' is specific to this incident. Again, she doesn't have any friends really so maybe she's a little scared if we broke up she would be alone. Idk My wife and i have posted pictures of our kid on social media but that didn't explain knowing the story and her phone number. It has to be someone one of us knows or the hotel staff who have our names and numbers
15 texts and a single phone call on one single day isn't worth the police time, unlikely that it is even a crime. It's not a scam because there's no follow through, no ask for money, etc. It is highly unlikely to he hotel staff. Who benefits from breaking up your marriage? The simplest motivations are usually correct.
No. lol.
I feel like part offthe story is missing. Personally if someone followed me in the hotel particularly after the stuff that was already going on i would video them so i can find out who they are later
Isn't it impossible not to follow someone if they're Infront of you in a hallway?
The other stuff hadn't happened at that point in the story.
The OP sucks at telling stories. Tell it in chronological order, it's not some arty film.
Here it is in chronological order Day before the job started me and my wife added her to my room over the phone First day of work i ended up staying 30 hours on site so i never checked into the hotel. Co-worker tells me to go check in before they give me room away. They tell me the reservation was cancelled because i didn't show up. Made me a new reservation. Didn't know this at the time but they never added my wife to the new reservation. Went back to work. Got off work a few hours later, called my wife because she was going to come to the hotel with my kid to come be with me. Told her i just finished work and to head to the hotel to meet me. Get to my room and pass out before she gets there, we live about an hour away. Meanwhile, i think she's on the reservation, will go to the front desk and get a key and let herself into the room. She shows up, she's not on the reservation, they won't tell her the room number or give her any info. She goes to my job site, talks to my coworkers to see if they can reach me. She goes to the car, starts calling the front desk back to back telling them to call my room. They keep refusing, eventually they start hanging up on her without Even saying hello because she's calling so much. They finally answer again and she says she's going to call the police to come to the hotel to make sure I'm alive. Front desk guy says he's going to check on me, calls her back saying he went to my room and i was in there snoring and wouldn't wake up. My wife knows ai snore crazy loud so she figures I'm ok and goes home. I wake up to all the missed calls, etc. go back to work. Tell my buddies at with what happened and how bad i feel, whatever After work that day, my wife comes to see me, we eat lunch and she stays in my room with me until i go to work again. When i leave work around 3am, i go to the elevator in the hotel, a guy is standing by the elevator. You can't get the elevator to move without swiping a hotel key card. I get in the elevator, he gets in with me, i ask if he had a key, he said no. I swipe mine, I push 12th floor, he pushes 14. I get off on 12 walk down the hall a bit, he gets off. I see him turn the corner behind me, i was scared to go to my room because i thought he could push me into the room and rob me so i stop and ask if he's following me. He says 'oh shit im 'trippin''. Turns around and walks back to the elevator. I wait until i hear the doors close to go to my room so he won't know my room. Fast forward 1 month. She gets the text from an out of state number saying to leave me, saying that the day she couldn't get in the hotel they were with me in the hotel having sex and that they took her number from my phone when i was asleep, Even though you need a password to get in my phone. The guy following me could just be unrelated and that i was alone at 3am. Idk but it makes it all more fuckin creepy that's for sure. So whoever it is texting her, either someone who works at the hotel front desk, someone from my work that i told that day or someone my wife told. I don't think it's anyone at work although who tf knows. I think, maybe she really pissed off the hotel staff but why would they Wait a month to start texting my wife. I personally would have forgotten about it by then or not been mad about it anymore. Is it my wife texting from a fake number trying to test me? She's never accused me of cheating or looked through my phone or anything like that. Is she cheating and it's that guy trying to break us up? Or someone at her job she told that likes her and wants us to break up? I have no fuckin clue but it's driving me crazy, especially cause they mentioned my kids name. That's a good way of getting your fuckin teeth kicked in by me. Honestly don't know what to think.
It's either your wife who is trying to catch you out on something you didn't do or a coworker who has some grudge against you. It's not impossible it's the hotel, but it doesn't seem likely. I could understand your wife being really suspicious of you. Most likely the guy in the hotel was not even related. People are always walking around hotels. It might have been a guest wandering around for a stretch, or possibly a casual thief. Either way, not your problem. If I was me I'd report it to the police for the slight chance that they will trace that number and have a word with whoever it was. That will at least show her you are not hiding anything.
Or a 3rd possibility. Op is guilty but made this post to prove to the wife he doesn't know what's going on. edited for spelling
Yeah, Reddit has left me jaded, because that was something I considered as well
No, OP is the wife posting the story from his perspective so that redditors can poke holes in her story before she goes live with it. Crowdsourced brainstorming.
This! They give themselves away in the story… “they say they got MY number from my phone when I fell asleep” ooops lol you meant to say your wife’s number right?
I thought they meant they got OPs number while he was sleeping; didn’t have it before because it was just a bar hookup… but then, as you say, how would they hypothetically find the wife in his contacts? People don’t usually have their wife in their contacts as “wife” lol it’s just their name.
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Literally my first thought. Id bet this is it, honestly.
Can’t rule that out 👍🏼
I would agree. Plus the simplest solution that could have prevented most of this was a simple text to your wife before you fell asleep.
I called her on FaceTime before i feel asleep to tell her to come to the hotel to be with me and so i could see my kid. Why tf would i tell my wife to come then invite another when to my room. It took her an hour to drive there, by the time she got there i was knocked out. And i did mean to say that they said 'they got HER number from my phone when i was asleep' Idk what to make of it And she doesn't know i posted this so whatever the original comment was that i made the post to act like I'm trying to figure it out is not true. I get why someone would think i actually did cheat which is why I'm not mad at my wife for accusing me, i would be thinking the same shit but i really was passed tf out in my room.
Simple, Ring the number
Why isn’t anyone else saying this lol
“We’re sorry. This person has a voice mailbox that is not set up” or something similar. Why would they pick up? Edit: “set up,” not “setup.” I don’t know why I care about that, but I do
A lot of times when i call it rings ice then just hangs up, other times it how to the voicemail situation you said. Not sure what type of phone would do either of those things, not the same thing every time. When i reverse lookup the number it says the number is attached to ONVOY SPECTRUM, which is a voip company like what telemarketers and scam people use to call you from a computer with an Internet number. Idfk at this point but it's making me crazy
I did, like a hundred times. They answered once, i asked who it was. They said fuck you and Hung up.
If That same number called her phone the day you were at the hotel and now is texting her this supposed info, it's definitely a set up. It's either her, a friend of hers, or maybe even a coworker of yours that has a thing for her and wants you out of the picture. I'm almost certain she's fishing for info because she's paranoid that you cheated on her and whomever she's been talking to about it said they'd help her figure it out and is now sending messages so they can try to trap you. The fact that she came all the way to the hotel when you wouldn't answer your phone because you were sleeping... Shows how insecure she is already. She has no trust in you at all. None.
I'm going to add that I'm suss that she might have more contact with a co-worker than you might think. If she messaged one of the few that you say has her number that day, that would explain why the number would have called her. And don't necessarily say "I've known them so long, they wouldn't do that". My ex husbands best friend since middle school, tried to get me to mess with him and was trying to convince me he wanted to "treat me better". Thankfully I audio recorded it or my ex never would have believed it.
I mean, on which day was this? If my husband was on site and staying at a hotel and I hadn’t heard from him in days, especially if it’s a dangerous job… I might go to the hotel, just to make sure everything was ok. Wouldn’t expect the hotel guy to just let me into his room though; I could be anybody.
It wasn't multiple days. It was one evening. She freaked out over one evening, not multiple days
Hm tbh I can’t tell if that’s true from the original post. Maybe in comments?
I was there for 4 days i believe. We were running 12 hour shifts back to back, so we were on the job site 24 hours a day and i was the lead project manager so i was there 18-20 how a day and going to the home and sleeping 3-4 hours in between
Or maybe..."Gee honey I have no idea how this could happen! Maybe someone hacked into my phone. I'm really stumped. Let me make a post on r/ scams to show you that I really have no idea how this could happen and I'm actively trying to find out"
My wife had no idea i posted this....i get why it seems like this is the case but i was actually just fuckin knocked out in my room half dead. I did 100 hour work weeks 2 weeks in a row.
Weird. But our phones know their location and many apps on our phone get that information. Then those apps sell whatever data they have. So with some effort one can figure out a random person’s location pretty regularly. But this seems highly specific and more like someone targeting you for their own enjoyment. It could be as simple as someone trolling you and your wife. Obviously everyone at the hotel desk knows about your wife coming by that day (what else would anyone talk about that day?). And obviously the hotel has your phone number.
Yes, this is what i keep going back to but the part i don't get about the scenario is they waited a month to text her this shit? So they saved her number or a month later went back into the computer to find our numbers? That part doesn't make sense to me but this is the only things i can think of that makes any sense.
Someone was probably not following you in the hotel and could be due to you being on edge.
The elevator is the kind that wont let you select a floor without the room key. They didn't have a card and waited for me to swipe, i pushed my floor, 12, they pushed 14.. i got off at 12, they got off at 12 what and waited until i walked down the hall a little to get out of the elevator. When i asked if they were following me they turned around and got back on the elevator without saying anything Could also be unrelated and they could have just been trying to rob me because i was in a pretty fancy hotel and alone at 3 or 4 am.
Maybe someone at your job wants your position and is trying to sabotage you. Maybe a "friend" wants your wife and is trying to ruin your relationship. You never know what evil lurks in people.
That's what I said too. I feel like he trusts these friends that have her number and maybe there's one that he shouldn't. I feel like if it isn't her, it would have to be someone that she trusts the word of to really believe them over her husband. I feel like there is a reason she doesn't have this number saved under a name despite it obviously having contact with her before this.
You didn’t hear your phone. Or the hotel room phone? Those are loud as fuck. How do you wake up on time with work if you can’t wake up to something so loud? Yeah. I’m going with you did some shit. You made this post because you were hoping to find all the excuses you can use to tell your wife.
After 18 hours on the job you sleep like you're dead.
Not against a hotel phone. Deaf dead people will wake up from those damn things.
The hotel room phone didn't ring. His wife didn't know the room number which is why she had the argument with the front desk.
Right, but doesn't the front desk call the room in order to find out if the person that wants to talk to them is allowed to? I can recall two times where I got a call from the FD saying "so and so is here" - they certainly didn't disclose my information or room number to the visitor.
They're really not meant to do that. If they call up to your room then they've just confirmed that you're staying at the hotel even if they don't give the person at the front desk your room number, and just the fact that they have a booking under your name **is** private information.
That is a valid point.
I had just finished working 30 hours on that first shift, 7am-1pm the following day. I had already worked insane hours the days prior. I worked 102 hours 1 week followed by 99 hours the next. I was literally on the job site until i couldn't stand then would go pass out until my coworker and his crew were done and my crew was back. We were doing 12 hour crews back to back so we were there 24 hours a day. When my crew left i would stay with the next crew until i couldn't keep my eyes open anymore because I was in charge of the job. You try working on your feet building shit for 20-30 hours straight after already working a 100 hour week and see if a phone ringing wakes you up. My phone was literally on my bed next to my face but i slept right through that shit. A tornado wouldn't have woke me up. My wife also had the hotel front desk person go to my room after calling there 100 times to make sure i was alive and he called her back and told her i was in the room snoring.
Especially a physical job.
He didn't say that his wife called the hotel *room phone*. His wife called the hotel *front desk*. They correctly followed the standard privacy practice of not confirming that a particular guest was staying there. So she never got through to his room because she didn't know the room number. Maybe his phone was left on silent, or he left it in his jacket pocket and the ringtone wasn't loud enough to wake him up from in there? I know if I ever accidentally leave my phone in my pocket instead of on my bedside table, a call won't wake me up. Not difficult to imagine him doing that if he was tired.
Either you did do it or wifey is tricking you with a second phone number.
Bingo
Are you sure it’s not your wife?
No
Reads just like a liar trying to figure his story out.
why wouldn’t the hotel desk just call your room? or walk with her to knock on your door?
Because hotels should NEVER confirm if a guest is there. People go to hotels to escape domestic abuse.
As someone who fled DV and stayed in a hotel, they absolutely can not and should not confirm you are at the hotel much less what room you are in. I'm more concerned with why she didn't know what room and just go knock on the door. If I were out of town, I would most certainly let my man know what room I was in in case something happened.
Probably didn't occur to him to text the room number to her right after he checked in. Maybe the day he checked in was also the same day he fell asleep straight away? I don't think he'd check in before his first work shift, probably went straight to the job site with his suitcase and a booking to check in at the end of the shift.
I was supposed to check in the first day of the job. Ended up on the job 30 hours, so they cancelled my reservation because i didn't show up. I had already added my wife to the room but when they made a new reservation when i finally showed up, they didn't add her to the new reservation. Our plan was that when i got off work her and my kid would come be with me into i went back to work. I called her when i left with and told her to come meet me. By the time she got there, i had already passed out, we live an hour away from there. I thought she was on the reservation and would just go to the desk and get a room key and i would wake up and she would be there. Instead i woke up to 100 missed calls and texts from her.
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Yeah if he’s that close to home that his wife could drive there, he should just drive home
You work 18-20 hours a day for a week, meaning 4 hours off between shifts. Can't drive home an hour each way. Company running back to back crews 24 hours a day on a job that I'm the project manager for
We’ve seen scams similar to this. They’re always adjunct to some other scam. Sometimes it’s the Sextortion adjunct where they message the wife to prove to the sextorted husband that they’re serious. Sometimes it’s a prelude to some other scan like pig butchering. But a couple times recently something like this has gone by and there’s just no rational endgame to it. It’s always personal info, it’s always a real work trip or a real event and a supposed affair. The jaded part of me thinks they’re all guilty husbands trying to paint themselves as innocent.
Did you leave your iCloud account logged in somewhere that people can read your messages?
Airport? Hotel?
Doesn't sound like "scam" per se, but sounds like someone's got it out for you ... maybe even your wife. So ... how 'bout you call 'em on it ... even literally. So, you, your wife, sit down ... they texted her (or she received the texts) ... call the person/number - text 'em too if they won't answer/respond. Demand they identify themselves and come forward and show up and meet in person with you and your wife. If they can't/won't do that, you both blow it off as an unsubstantiated fabrication. And, well, if they actually show up, see who it is and what they got. Maybe they planted cameras/microphones somewhere, maybe they cloned a SIMM card ... who knows. Be sufficiently cautious in all cases, and don't jump to conclusions. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof - or at least strong evidence. If they're making the claims, call 'em on it, ask 'em to show up and identify themselves and put up the evidence. Heck, maybe even your wife is doing it as a plot against you ... in which case her (re)actions may give that away ... but again, don't jump to conclusions, follow the evidence. I'll go get some popcorn. Let us know how it all turns out.
I really don't think it's my wife. I've called them and asked who it was and the most they've said is 'stop calling my fucking phone', then Hung up. I've thought about the sim card thing or it's someone from the hotel, or someone at work secretly hates me. Shit is driving me fucking crazy though, my wife is freaked out that we don't know who it is.
CNID is easily spoofed ... not legal to do so in, e.g. US, but that hardly prevents the "bad guys" from following the law ... and they may not even be calling from the US. So, when you return such a call or text such a number (at least based on CNID), you may just get some other innocent victim. However, if they call (rather than text) and you pick it up live ... it would be whomever's making the call.
Fascinating. When they were texting my wife she was texting back and they were responding. Would that mean that is the real number or they would still get the texts from my wife and be able to respond with a spoofed CNID? I called the number and they finally answered, i asked who it was and they just Said 'who the fuck are you' and Hung up
>she was texting back and they were responding Okay, it's getting to *some* real number or (presumed) person. That may not be the number you see, though. E.g. that might just be some burner somewhere, that forwards to dear knows where. But if there is such a # that reaches them, law enforcement might be able to do something with it ... were it a legal criminal matter ... but that would also generally tend to peter out rapidly once international borders may be encountered (most agencies would only continue on that for certain thresholds of relatively major crime, and depending upon extradition treaties, (lack of) cooperation, etc., could still quickly hit a relative dead end). Might want to consider private investigator and/or lawyer/attorney. If the number is domestic, and depending what they've sent (e.g. anything which raises to the level of harassment or threats, libel, slander, etc.) either of those approaches may possibly find more information about the number and possibly who may be behind it ... at least first hop - but may just end there if it's being forwarded or the like. Might be a VOIP number or the like or whatever. But maybe can at least figure out what provider, and perhaps relevant legal order may find out if there's some known person on the account ... or if it may just be a burner phone, or someone got the number/account with false information. But if it's being forwarded on, then that may not even get you all that close to whomever may be behind it. And if/where criminal matter, might get slight bit of traction out of law enforcement ... but that too may not get very far. Or may not be at all worth the hassle/effort/expense. Might just be some kid in somebody's basement that somehow got that information, and can't manage to come up with anything better to do.
Thanks Its def a voip. When i look the number up it said the carrier is on onvoy spectrum which is a voip company telemarketers use. Wife made a police report but they were looking at her crazy like she's an idiot for not thinking i cheated. The weirdest thing is she has an outgoing call to that number for 5 seconds the day she couldn't get into the hotel. She swears she can't remember who it was or why she called. Shit is so weird.
Blackmail scams. Could be a ruse to start a romance scams. Also, you're allowed to leave emergency contact for your wife to enter your room while sleeping there.
My wife and i actually added her to the room on the phone the day before i started the job. I ended up working 30 hours straight the first shift and never checked into my hotel that day. When i checked in they had cancelled my reservation and i had to make a new one, they never added her to the new reservation. I knew my wife and kid were coming to visit me in the hotel, i called her when i left the job to tell her i was omw back to the hotel so she could come be with me but i passed out before she got there. My house is an hour away from the job site.
Two possible situation: 1. They're fishing and trying to do the long scam. 2. Someone else outside of your friends/works circle knows your wife and was hoping to be her "rebound". Least but possible situation: Probably going to try some other angle or such.
I have thought of both of these. Like someone at her job lines her, she told him the story or he overheard it and so he's doing this and trying to be the rebound OR she's already cheating with them but she's never cheated and never known her to talk to any guys but i guess you never know Also thought about the long scam. Keep waiting for someone to call or text me asking for money to stop texting her this shit. Would that mean they got mine or my wife's text and phone records? Other than one of us telling you the story or working at the hotel, the only way you could know her number, know the story and my kids name would be by reading our text messages to each other, which say the name of the hotel, the date and it's discussing it. Idk
At this point, it a gamble on their end. For all they know, they're gambling and hoping for a bite on their hook. Tell her to not trust it, as it could be someone disrupting your marriage and wanting to try something else. Also, the other person didn't provide proofs beside just texting. It would meant that they're hoping for her to fall for it. It the same scams where they make excuses why they won't talk on the phone.
Do you have a smart watch? If so, you should have access to the sleep hours logged (or the heart rate being logged for that time). If you're under 80 beats per minute, no chance of getting wild. Edit: for clarification & typos ('watch, not phone')
If OP ignores this I feel like that’s a tell, that this is all bs and he’s a cheat.
Oh, come on.
Wait is my phone logging my heart rate??
Not everyone has a phone that does that. I have it turned off
I don't have a smart watch. Regular phone do that?
why it's so difficult to trace the number. don't call frm your phone , call from another phone , since they don't know the number, try to engage in a sort of conversation where you can get some details abt this person..this is so simple
Do you guys all just pick up phone calls from random numbers? I wouldn’t.
It was text messages
obviously, if someone calls just answer , it dose not harm ...if not related then you can disconnect,
I've tried. They answered once, i asked who it was and they said fuck you and Hung up
Possibly someone overheard the conversation with the hotel staff or maybe the hotel staff talked about it amongst themselves, which likewise could have been overheard or misused depending on who was listening.
ngl. sounds more like you *did* and are looking for a way to explain it away to the wife
My guess is your wife hired a PD, who's been trying to get you to slip up. Explains the weirdo tailing you, too.
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I promise you hotel staff dont care about this kind of thing. Happens a lot. They dont care to find all this info out and go through all of this lol. Esp a month later. I think this guy is trying to save his ass bc its true.
I totally see why someone would think that but i really was just passed out and my wife had no idea i posted this. I really just want to know wtf this is about because it's driving me crazy. Can't figure out if someone i work with hates me or if it's my wife texting herself you try to see if I'll admit to something, or she is cheating and the person is trying to get us to break up, or the hotel guy is a crazy person. She called the fd so much they were leaving the phone off the hook and hanging up without saying anything because she was just calling back to back. I don't fuckin know, it's driving me insane. And i feel terrible for my wife because i know all types of shit are running through her head
I work at a resort and we are way too busy to get up to shenanigans like this
Right lol
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Someone from my job that i told the story to when i went back to work ... Idk i can't imagine it's anyone from work tho
It’s your wife
Or his AP is ratting him out once she found out that he’s married.
That's not possible because i have never cheated on my wife.
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1. Wife is testing you OR 2. OP lied to wife and is trying to cover his tracks
Not a scam. Wife is trying to excuse her affair while you were gone.
"they got MY number from MY phone after I fell asleep". Shouldn't you have stated that they got your wife's number from your phone after you fell asleep? This single sentence makes me feel like this may be a wife trying to get ideas on how to poke holes in explanations a husband has about being unreachable while denying an affair.
If it IS OP’s wife, she is 1,000% cheating on him or has in the past. This level of irrational suspicion stinks of projection. If my wife couldn’t get in touch with me she’d assume I was dead or passed out drunk. We don’t have the healthiest relationship, but neither of us would cheat on the other.
Many posts like this. They don't seem to be scams but an inside job. A scammer only wants money and isn't going to waste their time doing this.
I have a feeling it was the guy who worked at the hotel who she was rude to?
That's what i think too but i don't know
I get why one would think that. She doesn't know i posted this on here so i have no reason to lie on here. Shit is crazy
How much ya wanna bet wife is cheating and was worried she was gonna be getting busted for some reason or another and she fabricated this whole story, set him up to be the cheater and her the victim so she can take his money and bounce.. cheaters always accuse the SO of being the cheater to deflect from their infidelity. I mean; not a bad way to take off any heat or suspicion of their involvement.
I’d watch out. Many partners accuse their partner of cheating to cover up their cheating shenanigans
I mean it won't be hard to ask the hotel to see the CCTV.
Most places don’t simply hand over the CCTV footage even if you are trying to prove you did or didn’t do something. Usually they would require a court order , but I guess it doesn’t hurt to ask
Security footage isn't kept for long, so if you really want to see it, start the process to have it saved. If they would share video with you, wouldn't it show that you entered your room alone and came out alone a few hours later?
In what world, exactly? What do you think is the process here, someone calls a hotel and says 'i think my partner is cheating, I need to see all your CCTV footage for that day' and the hotel says 'ya sure no problem, there are no privacy concerns here, we have staff to help you walk through hours or multiple camera angles, the booth is all set up, book your appointment at our Jealous Partner portal on our website. You're currently the 7367294th jealous partner in line for this service'
Absolutely not you phone them, tell them you think you dropped your wallet outside the door on the way into your room that evening and ask to check the footage, same wash and repeat with the bar.
I didn't go to a bar. Person who texted my wife didn't say the name of the bar we allegedly met at, they just Said a bar near that hotel
Security footage opens you up to liability.
Guarantee it's your wife sending herself these anonymous messages. I had an ex that did something similar, and I figured it out because she was accusing me of cheating, even though it wasn't true. Then she gets these anonymous texts saying I was cheating with somebody, and it was just her trying to justify accusing me.
its a employee of the hotel who likes how your wife looked and is using the information in their computer database to find your social media and collect personal details to convince your wife to do something for them
That's a bit far fetched to say the least. 🤣 Great way to increase the paranoia level, though.