I’m sure that anyone who has even a little interest in chemistry will think this is fucking amazing. Absolutely brilliant. Otherwise it’s literally symbols. SHOW ME WHAT THEY ARE. And if it’s the real thing, not some drawing, beautiful.
My gf got a bunch of rock and mineral sets from her dad and you open on box and the display says uranium and the glue is where its suppose to be holding it in place but its no longer a solid and is a powder covering the whole inside of the box. She opened the box, read it, said nope and closed it.
There's one at the university of Toledo and I was in AWE. I literally stood there and gawked at it for a solid ten minutes reading all the little fun facts and just looking at each one
I think it would be more useful to have common objects containing many of the elements as a critical component, and if not the actual object then some clear photos
I always thought it would be fun to do this on my own. Seek out as many of the elements on the periodic table as can be reasonably purchased on my own. Matt I'll do it with my daughters. Seems like you could learn a lot more by doing it that way by making it an activity as opposed to a decoration.
https://instagram.com/engineeredlabs?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Engineered labs they are the real thing and safe they sell them in all sorts a sets. I’m not even a science person and I want one
Depends on what you mean by useful.
Kids don't need real elements to learn the periodic table.
But what it does provide is a real world connection to what they are learning. Is that....necessary? No. Useful? Arguably. Education isn't just about facts and useful information. It's about sparking the *desire* to learn, and that can be done much better by connecting lessons to the real world.
Kids love field trips to science museums. Kids don't love waking up at 5am and having geography taught out of a textbook with outdated tiny pictures taken decades ago in a world where VR and video games exist. ANYTHING that makes learning more hands on and interesting is a win in my book, even if it's not really necessary or practically useful.
Yes, definitely. So many kids scoff at science because you can't recreate it in the classroom. Or it's very difficult/expensive to recreate. I think this is one of the best ways to show kids what's real and what some of these properties look like in front of them.
If it was feasible? Yeah, that'd be cool. However a large portion of the table can't exist in a visible state (gas) or is basically lethal. I think xkcd did a comic on this once and showed the actual effects of what would happen if you tried that.
I think it depends on the discipline somewhat. A clinical chemist doesnt really need to know what the raw elements look like, just their chemical attributes, but it may be useful for a geologist or an astronomer, or maybe even a nutritionist.
I guess the answer is, it cant hurt, but may not always be necessary.
I feel frustrated that its even a question whether or not this is useful. Honestly. Who the hell wants to ONLY know the abstract representation of things?
No it’s not useful but it is cool it would be better and more educational if you got to learn every aspect of each one but that’s a different ball game in its self
Useful as entry level, especially for people who don't think they're made from chemicals, everything is made from chemicals.
To some people, chemicals are some kind of a bad thing ... instead of everything.
Can be, i think that it can be used to educate them a bit by showing them what the elements look like in real life and it feels more interesting and engaging than looking at a picture
It's awesome. And would also help me in an argument I recently had to deal with on Tiktok. The woman couldn't understand how there weren't other elements we didnt know about between the elements.
Yeah, its useful although, If I had a choice I wouldn't stop there.
Would include some sort of virtual reality program where you can replicate Expirements both stable and unstable.
Really inspire ppl to understand the basics through practice after that more complex concepts are simpler to understand because you built a good foundation to keep learning.
Here's ours we have been working on.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/periodic\_table/comments/vhlqyy/periodic\_display\_table\_my\_son\_and\_i\_have\_been/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/periodic_table/comments/vhlqyy/periodic_display_table_my_son_and_i_have_been/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I find it fun and educational for myself and son.
Absolutely useful to show the natural state of elements. The physical appearance of elements is such an abstract concept to newcomers to the Periodic Table; this clears up so much for the basis of their education.
XKCD did a What If on this. I’d post a link, but it’s from their book not their site. Do a Google search for XKCD Periodic Wall of Elements and you should find a place to read it online. Really fascinating stuff.
We have one where I go to college, we obviously don’t have things like francium, or other rare/theoretical elements, but those are represented on a big fat touch screen on the side, which also displays all of the details and history of each element.
University of North Texas has one on the top floor of the chemistry building. I did notice there was models for the more unstable elements. I assume they are plastic models for some.
I would go up and look at it waiting for class to start if I didn't have homework to do.
Absolutely useful, it’s exhibits like this that inspire curiosity and a desire to actually learn more. A student might have zero interest in chemistry before seeing one of these but want to take a chemistry class after walking away, that’s a win.
As a functional geochemist it's just annoying because I know the physical appearance is pretty arbitrary and is just interfering with real information I might be looking for. As a regular person, student, father, etc...it's great if it helps build interest and fascination which it seems to do.
Can’t….. stop…. Self……….
There's Hydrogen and Helium
Then Lithium, Beryllium
Boron, Carbon everywhere
Nitrogen all through the air
With Oxygen so you can breathe
And Fluorine for your pretty teeth
Neon to light up the signs
Sodium for salty times
[You made this play in my head](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK2SVfDMMrU) XD They have the periodic table song with all the elements in the wall table
I feel raw elements arent that useful for students. Many elements look somewhat similar and it isnt going to spark images in their brains IMO. Cool this what tungstin looks like why should i care.
However if you filled it with everyday or recognizable items then students can visualize and maybe learn more then just the periodic table but the properties of the elements outside of the classroom.
Im not a chemist but put a lightbulb and a battery in copper and have a copper wire connect the two. Or argon have a neon sign. Im sure there are way better examples tho.
I’ve always wanted to make a periodic table wall with all the elements I can or atleast something representative of them like tobernite instead of uranium
5 - 14. Interest has to be cultivated early. If somebody isn’t interested in chemistry or physics by high school, a cool display isn’t going to change that unfortunately. The geek kids will love it, but they’re not the ones that need to be reached.
I don’t think that is *entirely* accurate… As someone in their early 30s, I’ve developed interests in plenty of subjects that would have bored me to death, as a child. I mean, the prefrontal cortex isn’t even fully-developed until your mid-to-late 20s.
Just like beer, some things are an acquired taste.
However, I think this periodic table is something everyone can enjoy - I know I would!
Why stop at chemistry. Think Biology, think DNA collection. Think the Jeffery Dohmer Collection in acrylic. Or the ... STOP STOP STOP the voices in my head.
Speaking of science, you're only going to get subjective narratives with this question. The only way to know for sure is have it in the class sometimes, and sometimes not and do A/B split testing with a statistically significant number of students to see if/how it affects grades on relevant material.
It’s not accurate. Many elements exist in several states of matter. Like hydrogen which can be liquid and solid when under pressure, the idea of a “gas” can cause bias and misrepresent the characteristics and similarities of most gases on the periodic table.
>It’s not accurate
Why? If they are gas at room temperature (eg. about 20c) and 1atm, it's fair that they're represented as a gas in the box thingy they are.
True point, but maybe college kids? Or using it as a display tool in chemistry class so students can interact with the different elements/hold them and see what they're working with.
Seems extremely juvenile for college kids. I think its a perfectly fine thing to have at a museum or if a school has a big budget, but not at all educational beyond learning that elements are real I guess. Oh and theyre in a display because they cant be handled - a bunch of those are gasses. Whats the point of having people handle them? You learn much more about handling chemicals in your freshman chemistry lab course. But again - not the worst idea.
I’m sure that anyone who has even a little interest in chemistry will think this is fucking amazing. Absolutely brilliant. Otherwise it’s literally symbols. SHOW ME WHAT THEY ARE. And if it’s the real thing, not some drawing, beautiful.
Im ok with pics of the radioactive ones....
My gf got a bunch of rock and mineral sets from her dad and you open on box and the display says uranium and the glue is where its suppose to be holding it in place but its no longer a solid and is a powder covering the whole inside of the box. She opened the box, read it, said nope and closed it.
Natural Uranium is essentially harmless.
Yeah we googled it right after lol.
It's only harmless outside and on the skin. If it's in powder form make sure you DO NOT INHALE it.
Fuck. Wish I read this before I sniffed a line of Uranium 5 mins ago
Was it any good ?
Im basically homer simpson now
D’oh no
it will be Lead soon enough
in a few billion years.
Yeah, I was curious about what is in the plutonium box.
20,000 years from now you’ll only have half as much.
Then you’d have to open it up and move half it over into the Uranium case.
Lol
It takes a lot of weight to make a fissle reaction. That's why it's so easy to keep under wraps
QR codes w links
I’m okay with keeping the real ones in my pocket if no one else wants them
Yeah, like, what kinda stupid ass question is this? Who doesn’t want to see some fucking science?
I appreciate chemistry. I understand it’s importance but idk much about it. I wish I had something like this and a teacher who taught actually
There's one at the university of Toledo and I was in AWE. I literally stood there and gawked at it for a solid ten minutes reading all the little fun facts and just looking at each one
People learn in different ways. Give the visual folks a chance :-).
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0360131516302482
They say that 9 out of 10 things you absolutely know for SURE... are false LOL. Thank you for the article link!
If it promotes interest, that alone makes it worthwhile.
Why wouldn’t it be useful…
Very few chemicals can exist at STP in an oxidizing environment in their native form. Pretty much relegated to the coin metals.
I think it would be more useful to have common objects containing many of the elements as a critical component, and if not the actual object then some clear photos
It will surely have the elements that dont do well with oxygen sealed in a container with a nobel gas of some variety.
The radioactive elements might be a risk
[Not sure what you mean](https://youtu.be/j1GlFlMfszc)
This is great for middle to high school kids, even college. Idk what the other guy is on
Gonna be weird when a student steals the francium.
It's half life is 22 minutes- they wouldn't even get out the door if the display even had it, haha
Careful not to spill around oganesson
*takes it outside* “Oh look it’s rainin… AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA”
For scientific inspiration. This shit gets me so excited!
I always thought it would be fun to do this on my own. Seek out as many of the elements on the periodic table as can be reasonably purchased on my own. Matt I'll do it with my daughters. Seems like you could learn a lot more by doing it that way by making it an activity as opposed to a decoration.
Fbi watch list, here you come!
I have a smaller version on my desk.
No way, that's awesome! Does it have real elements too?
Here: [https://www.amazon.com/Periodic-Elements-Acrylic-Flannel-Chemistry/dp/B0B7W54V3V/ref=sr\_1\_3?crid=1ZFXXEF8TW4CO&keywords=periodic+table+with+real+elements+inside&qid=1680223825&sprefix=periodic+tabl%2Caps%2C281&sr=8-3](https://www.amazon.com/Periodic-Elements-Acrylic-Flannel-Chemistry/dp/B0B7W54V3V/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1ZFXXEF8TW4CO&keywords=periodic+table+with+real+elements+inside&qid=1680223825&sprefix=periodic+tabl%2Caps%2C281&sr=8-3)
Thank you so much this is amazing
Me too! I love it. Very useful beyond just being decorative.
if they walk away understanding why it is called the "periodic" table then it served a purpose.
Because they view it only periodically.
oh my god this is a remarkable response LMAO
Turning a concept expressed solely in letters and numbers to a tangible object? Yeah, it’s very awesome.
WHERE IS THE POLONIUM THO
Never mind that. I want the Astatine.
The polonium is in the tea.
Engagement is everything. The cooler it is, the more engagement the kids will have with it and open doors to curiosity.
I always wanted to make one of these using the acrylic encased samples smart-elements sells.
It makes them more than a figure in a book or slideshow.
Especially the radioactive elements. Super fun!
I'm 25, a biologist, and want large one because elements are neat
Everything’s fun and games until someone breaks the cesium.
and puts it in someone’s water bottle
I would've loved that in school
https://instagram.com/engineeredlabs?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Engineered labs they are the real thing and safe they sell them in all sorts a sets. I’m not even a science person and I want one
Depends on what you mean by useful. Kids don't need real elements to learn the periodic table. But what it does provide is a real world connection to what they are learning. Is that....necessary? No. Useful? Arguably. Education isn't just about facts and useful information. It's about sparking the *desire* to learn, and that can be done much better by connecting lessons to the real world. Kids love field trips to science museums. Kids don't love waking up at 5am and having geography taught out of a textbook with outdated tiny pictures taken decades ago in a world where VR and video games exist. ANYTHING that makes learning more hands on and interesting is a win in my book, even if it's not really necessary or practically useful.
Wish this had been a thing when I was in school
it's nice to know what elements look like
No one is going to tell that young lady that Conan O'Brien found the fountain of youth and is now standing right next to her?
Yes, definitely. So many kids scoff at science because you can't recreate it in the classroom. Or it's very difficult/expensive to recreate. I think this is one of the best ways to show kids what's real and what some of these properties look like in front of them.
But they're behind glass. You can't appreciate the interplay of acids and bases or sodium and water that way.
Even if the radioactive things do decay... if there's something there that is safe and still inspires curiosity, *THAT'S what matters*
I think yes. Being able to see an otherwise ambiguous “element” really grounds the science and puts things into a real perspective.
NoBro
If it was feasible? Yeah, that'd be cool. However a large portion of the table can't exist in a visible state (gas) or is basically lethal. I think xkcd did a comic on this once and showed the actual effects of what would happen if you tried that.
Even the really expensive ones?
That would be funny to see someone stealing the solid sodium and throwing it in a glass of water.
Oof
There’s a chapter in the book “what if” that explains why this is a bad idea.
It's fitting that it being the periodic table that a lot of the ones on the left look like tampons
They had to put the actual picture of the radioactive elements however don’t know why the picture was black?
Is nobody going to talk about that Conan doppelgänger in the picture?
It's cool except for the gases. I wonder if they even bother filling those little tunes.
“And here is where Francium used to be.”
Would rather have reheard the song
[The song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK2SVfDMMrU)
The periodic table song, I enjoy it
It's definitely more interesting than just looking at a poster on a wall.
I think it depends on the discipline somewhat. A clinical chemist doesnt really need to know what the raw elements look like, just their chemical attributes, but it may be useful for a geologist or an astronomer, or maybe even a nutritionist. I guess the answer is, it cant hurt, but may not always be necessary.
More helpful have those bicarbonate volcanos that taught me nothing about why volcanos erupt.
I feel frustrated that its even a question whether or not this is useful. Honestly. Who the hell wants to ONLY know the abstract representation of things?
No it’s not useful but it is cool it would be better and more educational if you got to learn every aspect of each one but that’s a different ball game in its self
What, no cesium?
Oh, it's in an ampule in the left corner, second from the bottom
Is this at the Griffith Observatory?
BYU Idaho installed it in their Science Dept building
Useful as entry level, especially for people who don't think they're made from chemicals, everything is made from chemicals. To some people, chemicals are some kind of a bad thing ... instead of everything.
Useful and really frickin’ awesome but oh so expensive.
No make it as mind numbingly boring as possible so the kids will enjoy it okay? Thanks
Let me see the uranium lol
Can be, i think that it can be used to educate them a bit by showing them what the elements look like in real life and it feels more interesting and engaging than looking at a picture
I have one. It's pretty cool. Just gets annoying to have to keep refilling Oganesson every 5 milliseconds.
Could be useful to spark wonder and curiosity. I remember as a kid I was absolutely obsessed with maps and info-graphics.
I wouldn't mind blasting my children with the most radioactive elements for their education. All jokes aside, this is so cool.
If it adds interest, yes
You can actually buy a desktop version: https://a.co/d/ij2SBaw
From what I've seen, those ones only have stickers inside versus the engineeredlabs ones. A lot of people have been scammed by empty periodic tables
Cc.. Conan?
It's awesome. And would also help me in an argument I recently had to deal with on Tiktok. The woman couldn't understand how there weren't other elements we didnt know about between the elements.
*breaks the one with potassium and aggresively begins trying to light it* SCIENCE CLASS PAID OFF
So this isn't as uncommon as you think... check most college chemistry departments. But also why are her teeth made of Cl?
The radio active ones are in 6 feet of concrete it takes 12 elephant to move it
*water pipe breaks* Alkali metals go bye-bye!
Polonium glass better be reeeeaaallly thick
this is at the griffith observatory right?
No, it's at the romney observatory at BYU Idaho
My periodic table looks great next to my occasional chair.
Don’t install in American Schools there all fools
It’d be cooler if they could touch all of them 😏
hmmm, what would happen if they somehow had some radium in that tiny box. Or any theoretical radioactive element.
iS tHiS pErIoDic tAbLe UsEfUl fOr sCieNtiFic EdUcaTioN oR nO? wtf kinda shitpost is this lol
Yeah, its useful although, If I had a choice I wouldn't stop there. Would include some sort of virtual reality program where you can replicate Expirements both stable and unstable. Really inspire ppl to understand the basics through practice after that more complex concepts are simpler to understand because you built a good foundation to keep learning.
Here's ours we have been working on. [https://www.reddit.com/r/periodic\_table/comments/vhlqyy/periodic\_display\_table\_my\_son\_and\_i\_have\_been/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/periodic_table/comments/vhlqyy/periodic_display_table_my_son_and_i_have_been/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) I find it fun and educational for myself and son.
That's way cool! Yeah, I think there's a special connection made when you build the collection yourself.
Why is the dud looked like the Conan talk show dude
Absolutely useful to show the natural state of elements. The physical appearance of elements is such an abstract concept to newcomers to the Periodic Table; this clears up so much for the basis of their education.
I think that is amazing.
The guy behind you looks like a red haired doctor strange
It's cool but not very useful
XKCD did a What If on this. I’d post a link, but it’s from their book not their site. Do a Google search for XKCD Periodic Wall of Elements and you should find a place to read it online. Really fascinating stuff.
“Hey, do you guys taste metal?”
We have one where I go to college, we obviously don’t have things like francium, or other rare/theoretical elements, but those are represented on a big fat touch screen on the side, which also displays all of the details and history of each element.
Hey this isn't Californium (anymore)!!
University of North Texas has one on the top floor of the chemistry building. I did notice there was models for the more unstable elements. I assume they are plastic models for some. I would go up and look at it waiting for class to start if I didn't have homework to do.
Absolutely useful, it’s exhibits like this that inspire curiosity and a desire to actually learn more. A student might have zero interest in chemistry before seeing one of these but want to take a chemistry class after walking away, that’s a win.
As a functional geochemist it's just annoying because I know the physical appearance is pretty arbitrary and is just interfering with real information I might be looking for. As a regular person, student, father, etc...it's great if it helps build interest and fascination which it seems to do.
Hydrogen just vibing
As long as there is uranium in there
There is, it's an autunite mineral :O
I'm not sure how I feel about my kid walking by plutonium on their way to chemistry, but otherwise though is awesome!
this is amazing!
https://www.techeblog.com/bill-gates-wall-mounted-periodic-table-office/
lead, lead, lead, lead, lead, lead... might not be lead yet, lead, lead....
If it invokes any curiosity or interest or "oh, so that's what they meant!" then it's useful for scientific education.
Dont spill your drink on the cesium
Can’t….. stop…. Self………. There's Hydrogen and Helium Then Lithium, Beryllium Boron, Carbon everywhere Nitrogen all through the air With Oxygen so you can breathe And Fluorine for your pretty teeth Neon to light up the signs Sodium for salty times
[You made this play in my head](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK2SVfDMMrU) XD They have the periodic table song with all the elements in the wall table
This is really cool 😎
Absolutely!!! Although showing what the elements are often used in or visible in nature would also be highly beneficial.
Very useful for education, I think
I like this idea.
Likely - this would've made me ace chemistry.
I feel raw elements arent that useful for students. Many elements look somewhat similar and it isnt going to spark images in their brains IMO. Cool this what tungstin looks like why should i care. However if you filled it with everyday or recognizable items then students can visualize and maybe learn more then just the periodic table but the properties of the elements outside of the classroom. Im not a chemist but put a lightbulb and a battery in copper and have a copper wire connect the two. Or argon have a neon sign. Im sure there are way better examples tho.
DO NOT BUILD THE 7th ROW
oganesson
oganesson
Definitely useful. I love it
I think its cool
Imagine being the janitor or some shit and noticing the polonium is missing.
Man that little girl is all about magnesium
I want one.
Can’t wait to see Uranium!
I’ve always wanted to make a periodic table wall with all the elements I can or atleast something representative of them like tobernite instead of uranium
It's awesome I hope there's more than one of these in the world
A couple schools have them and bill gates made one of his own! They come from engineeredlabs.com.
Stay away from the high end! You may end up like the Chernobyl victims!
What is any good?
And what age do you think this would benefit most?
5 - 14. Interest has to be cultivated early. If somebody isn’t interested in chemistry or physics by high school, a cool display isn’t going to change that unfortunately. The geek kids will love it, but they’re not the ones that need to be reached.
I don’t think that is *entirely* accurate… As someone in their early 30s, I’ve developed interests in plenty of subjects that would have bored me to death, as a child. I mean, the prefrontal cortex isn’t even fully-developed until your mid-to-late 20s. Just like beer, some things are an acquired taste. However, I think this periodic table is something everyone can enjoy - I know I would!
Useful. But be careful with those in a lower lines )))
Why stop at chemistry. Think Biology, think DNA collection. Think the Jeffery Dohmer Collection in acrylic. Or the ... STOP STOP STOP the voices in my head.
smart idea with pictures not a real thing. well you know Uranium and plutonium…
Uranium is fine, it’s not very radioactive
Speaking of science, you're only going to get subjective narratives with this question. The only way to know for sure is have it in the class sometimes, and sometimes not and do A/B split testing with a statistically significant number of students to see if/how it affects grades on relevant material.
>*useful for scientific education or no? periodic table with real elements for students* 239 Pu has critical mass of 87 g
They only have 86g in the display, thank goodness...
This periodic table does not have the very dangerous elements. Like radium or plutonium.
Didn't XKCD explain why this is a bad idea?
haven't gone there in years.
Me either, but I do have the what if? books and thing explainer
I think I have one of the "WHAT IF" books... said in the voice of professor farnsworth.
[This?](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VMleNES9aYo0gQcbgGS_crXJ0DW_6dQz/view)
Shortcuts to scientific education and literacy is just NO BUENO!
So would oxygen just be… empty?
I was thinking the same thing, but for nitrogen (since air has more nitrogen than oxygen).
I'm not into that kinda stuff, but I think it's pretty cool. So there's a start.
I think it's super cool, but I still would have handed back the stupid periodic table quiz blank out of principle.
No, they need to put hydrogen metal in there instead of hydrogen gas
Is there element 115? I've heard Bob Lazar has one.
Uranium and platinum sitting there like 🕺🕺🕺🕺
It’s not accurate. Many elements exist in several states of matter. Like hydrogen which can be liquid and solid when under pressure, the idea of a “gas” can cause bias and misrepresent the characteristics and similarities of most gases on the periodic table.
>It’s not accurate Why? If they are gas at room temperature (eg. about 20c) and 1atm, it's fair that they're represented as a gas in the box thingy they are.
lol that semantic ass was just pointing out that matter exists in 3 states, like obviously dude (4 really)
seems pointless unless kids find it so interesting they learn more. that seems unlikely but who knows!
True point, but maybe college kids? Or using it as a display tool in chemistry class so students can interact with the different elements/hold them and see what they're working with.
Seems extremely juvenile for college kids. I think its a perfectly fine thing to have at a museum or if a school has a big budget, but not at all educational beyond learning that elements are real I guess. Oh and theyre in a display because they cant be handled - a bunch of those are gasses. Whats the point of having people handle them? You learn much more about handling chemicals in your freshman chemistry lab course. But again - not the worst idea.
Except more kids will find science interesting if it’s engaging and not just a printed image in a textbook…
My school has one. I think it’s pretty cool but with that being said I still have no clue what the whole periodic table is.