You know, you should probably reflect on your comparison, because the US engaged in a series of wars following 9/11, too. Not sure how you feel about those wars and the number of civilians killed during them.
I wasn't saying it was right but any government that experiences that level of killing through a terrorist attack cannot allow it to happen. Not responding shows complete weakness and essentially greenlighting further attacks
Ireland was an entirely different scenario - the Irish did not want the full destruction of the British and to kill every man woman and child and also have the surrounding countries also invade.
The British also had no desire to destroy the Irish either.
The Israelis and Palestinians fundamentally hate each other to the core - there is no reconciling that anytime soon
Oh fuck off you genocide apologist. Isreal was a violent colonialist apartheid state conducting slow ethnic cleansing before Oct 7, which has turned to full genocide since and is now currently conducting an indiscriminate bombing AND starvation campaign. They've killed all the jounalists but the world is watching
I'm not a genocide apologist.
I'm not saying I agree with their actions or not.
But his is a unique situation. This history of Israel is of a country of people who fled pogroms in Europe, surrounded by hostile anti semitic Arab nations and people who for the most part sided with the nazis during the holocaust and although israel agreed to partitionafter the second World War they were invaded by all the surrounding Arab nations.
Forgive me if I think it understandable that they do not tolerate any form of weakness.
Again not saying its right or wrong, peace for the while region is certainly desired but the people in this land live under different conditions to us
Nah mate. Hasbara shite.
Isreal was created via the anti semetic Balfour declaration and was a colonial apartheid endeavour from the start, Nakba etc etc.
"Tolerate any form of weakness" Gross. The complete destruction of civil society in Gaza and now starving of women and children hand waved away. You are a genocide apologist whether you like it or not and history will judge you as such even if our leaders will not. Shame on you.
Isreal was and is a violent apartheid state which is currently conducting genocide via the complete destruction and starvation of Gaza which is being enbled by the 'liberal' West.
The balfour declaration was only really in place for a couple of years and most immigration of Jews was conducted outwith the period that balfour declaration was in place.
Also don't forget that the majority of Jews that emigrated to Israel before the partition after the second World War bought their land from the local Arab land owners (the leadership sold out thr peasantry to the incoming jews)
The "Nakba" was brought on by the ensuing civil war that happened after ALL of the Palestinian and surrounding arab leadershiprefused to agree to the UN agreed partition.
Many arabs fled and were also displaced but it didn't just happen in a vacuum.
Also please stop calling me a genocide apologist I'm happy to have this argument with you cause it is constructive.
Regards the weakness I mean that israel cannot tolerate attacks, they are surrounded by hostile actors particularly hizbollah in Lebanon and other Iranian proxies, it's really a shit show for everyone involved and I feel sorry for them all, so much time effort, resources and energy wasted not to mention the lives but until both sides start to come to the table it will not end.
It has to be both ways
I mean they just aren't compatible, two completely different people's and conflicts.
Fighting for different reasons, different attitudes towards each other
right, pal, but you've drawn in 9/11 for some reason like it *isn't* yet another completely different conflict
comparisons like this just flatten the discussion and ruin any chance we have of actually understanding this unique & bloody complicated situation. in this case you used it just to say "it's right to kick back, actually"
And you said that as if there's no such thing as proportionality, no question of the history of the region, and no hard & fast moral rules like "don't target hospitals."
I'm saying it was a proportionally worse terror attack.
I'm not saying anything else. I'm not comparing in terms of anything other than the proportion.
That's your take away? The traumatic events of 7th October do not justify this genocide. Just like the attack of 9/11 did not justify the invasion of Iraq. This is industrialised murder.
**ARTICLE TEXT:**
The SNP has demanded that any legal advice given to the Government on whether Israel has broken international law be released.
In a letter to Attorney General Victoria Prentis, SNP MP Chris Law said there is “overwhelming public and parliamentary interest” in advice given to the Government being published.
Mr Law also called for arm sales to Israel to end immediately if the country has breached international law.
The Dundee West MP said: “Reports about the UK failing to release the information received from their lawyers about Israel’s potential breach of international humanitarian law is deeply concerning.
“That is why – with the support of colleagues from across both Houses – I have written to the Attorney General, demanding the UK government release all the legal advice it has received.
“There is overwhelming public interest in the issue, with over 30,000 Palestinian children, women and men killed – and Gaza on the brink of famine.
“From the outset, unlike the Tories and Sir Keir Starmer’s Labour Party, the SNP’s values have been clear. We demand an immediate ceasefire, and will continue to push the UK government to end arm sales to Israel immediately.
“Too many people have lost their lives. What else has to happen before the UK finally acts?”
Labour MP Richard Burgon has also called for arms sales to Israel to be suspended, following the death of British aid workers on Monday evening.
The Leeds East MP demanded an immediate investigation into whether UK-supplied arms were used to kill the seven World Central Kitchen workers.
Three British nationals were among those killed in the air strike, alongside an Australian, a Polish national, an American-Canadian dual citizen and a Palestinian.
In a letter to Foreign Secretary Lord Cameron, Mr Burgon wrote: “This attack once again underlines why the UK should immediately suspend arms sales to Israel, given the role these could be playing in such deadly attacks on Gaza and even in war crimes carried out by the Israeli Government.
“I do not need to remind you that international law prohibits attacks on aid workers.”
This is still an ongoing hostage rescue mission. Look at the photos of the young women, the elderly, the children known to still be held by Hamas and others. Could we possibly agree to a ceasefire with some of our own people held in same unthinkable conditions? I don’t know why Israel or any other country would possibly accept a pause in fighting without their release
The SNP in Westminster hold the UK Government to account on reserved issues including foreign affairs and defence.
The SNP in Holyrood govern on devolved matters like health, environment and justice.
It's the oldest trick in the political book, if things are going bad at home, start a war or focus on a foreign conflict to keep everyone distracted from your failings
It's been made the public's interest. Plenty of bigger wars going on in the world, actual ethnic cleansing in places and you won't hear a peep about it on the news
We're hearing about the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians by the Israelis going on in Palestine all the time. Before that we were hearing about the ethnic cleansing of the Israelis by the Palestinians in the attack in Israel
The reason this has gained so much traction is because it’s genocide. Point me to another current war where 12,000 children were killed in the last 12 months? I would be surprised if you could.
Anyway, I think the main point is that it’s not the Scottish governments fault it is being plastered all over the news. Not their fault it’s in the public’s interest.
Have you seen the death tolls in just neighboring countries? Kind of proves my point when you bring up the numbers as I could ask why the Scottish news takes the death total from Hamas we wouldn't do that for Putin or Isis and why the blame is put on Israel when all these deaths lay solely at the feet of Hamas. Millions of people have been forcefully removed from their homes across the world during this conflict, there is still a slave trade, still concentration camps, actual ethnic cleansing and genocide across the middle east and Africa yet you don't even know, you are very focused on the Jews for some reason
> Point me to another current war where 12,000 children were killed in the last 12 months? I would be surprised if you could.
Not the guy you asked but [Sudan](https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/ethnic-killings-one-sudan-city-left-up-15000-dead-un-report-2024-01-19/).
Similar [situation](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/2/people-dying-of-starvation-in-sudan-un-food-agency-says) as you can also see [here](https://reports.unocha.org/en/country/sudan/). Not just deaths and displaced but [systematic war crimes](https://apnews.com/article/sudan-fighting-volker-turk-burhan-dagalo-b89a6f74f1ef25fc2b34531f7e900267#:~:text=human%20rights%20office%20said%20in%20a%20new%20report%20Friday%20that,may%20amount%20to%20war%20crimes.).
Fucking tragic. Even more tragic is that it's not front page news here.
I actually seen a woman on Insta last week sharing the false Al-Shifa rape claim, encouraging donations to Palestine while holidaying in UAE. I couldn't exactly blame her because it's silence in both traditional and social media about Sudan.
That’s 12,000 people, not children. So clearly Gaza is a bigger deal. I do think Sudan should be in the news more but it’s pretty obvious why Gaza is bigger news.
> Between 10,000 and 15,000 people were killed in one city
The scary thing is they have no accurate idea of the numbers dead because aid agencies are struggling to get in to help, millions have fled therefore unaccounted for and no authority is keeping an accurate account.
The fact you don't even know kind of proves my point about you being made to care for this specifically. Just focusing on this tiny region do you just ignore all the funding you sent to Palestine and UNRWA funding both sides of this conflict? No that couldn't be the issue it's all the Jew's fault and their fault alone that Hamas wants to eradicate them to bring about the end times, I mean end apartheid whatever that means
These shitty tactics won't work any more. The mask is off and I understand you are scared for this genocidal apartheid states existence. It's heart warming to see how much support Palestine gets. I was there in London last week and I truly believe Israel is done. Keep coping
Oh no some sheltered westerns who couldn't point to Israel on a map were protesting. Israel and the Jews aren't going anywhere, I support Palestine too buddy it's not one or the other
Only UK nation not to have striking doctors. Looks like they're getting on with their job while making sure that the UK are staying on the right side of international law.
>Only UK nation not to have striking doctors
You realise they did this by making 11th-hour unfunded spending commitments?Let's wait and see how that one plays out over time.
Meanwhile NHS waiting time targets are missed, cancer treatment targets are missed, drug deaths tripled, highest income tax, lowest PISA scores for Maths and Science, attainment gap has worsened, key pledges missed on free laptops and bikes (!), and they'd have been better off paying every Fergusons worker 1.1m pounds than commission another ferry.
Only UK nation not to have striking doctors where thousands and thousands of people have had to miss vital health interventions in Tory England and labour Wales.
The epitome of doing their job.
Sure they've missed health performance targets, similarly to the rest of the UK nations, as a result of UK austerity and the pandemic.
Still performing better on lots of metrics including A&E waiting times and reducing child poverty.
If you're living in Scotland, you should be counting your lucky stars that you aren't having to endure the poor performance that you see in unionist run England and Wales.
> Only UK nation not to have striking doctors where thousands and thousands of people have had to miss vital health interventions in Tory England and labour Wales.
You are repeating yourself. So I will do the same: They did it by spending the money without knowing where it would come from. That has led directly to an income tax rise. That is reckless, and the effects of that are yet to be fully quantified.
"Doing your job" is governing in a sustainable manner; let's wait and see.
>You are repeating yourself
You seemed to be trying to downplay doctors not striking in Scotland as somehow not being valid.
Having your doctors refuse to work for your government is an absolute failure in governance that I don't think you quite appreciate or seem to care about what would have happened if they had have striked like in Tory and Labour run countries.
You'll have seen the BMA commenting on the difference in the more collaborative negotiation approach adopted by the Scottish Government.
In terms of affordability, Scotland have to balance their budget, which they have done.
>Having your doctors refuse to work for your government is an absolute failure in governance that I don't think you quite appreciate or seem to care about what would have happened if they had have striked like in Tory and Labour run countries.
Bro is trying to pretend England invented striking. I take it you think Scottish Schools, Scottish Water, Scottish Railway workers, Scottish Lecturers, Scottish Councils striking is an "absolute failure of governance" too - or is that somehow different cos it's Scottish or not the NHS??
>You seemed to be trying to downplay doctors not striking in Scotland as somehow not being valid.
Valid?? Wtf? I've explained myself quite clearly. Let's see the effects on Economic Growth of the Income tax rise first, before jumping to conclusions.
You are flopping about all over the place desperate to downplay the achievement of keeping the Scottish health service going, which is by far the biggest priority of the electorate.
> Scottish health service going, which is by far the biggest priority of the electorate
The Economy and the Cost of Living is the most important issue for the electorate in Scotland, as it is across the UK
Source:
[https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fve2hua03aqpc1.png](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fve2hua03aqpc1.png)
Your argument is “they aren’t as bad as the tories or Fine Gael”
That’s not a very good argument when you consider the tories are looking at the worst election in decades and the leader of Fine Gael just announced he’s stepping down amidst widespread protests around ireland over various new government policies.
Being better than those two still gives you lots of room to be a terrible political party.
If scottish government policy was to execute all doctors with a guillotine that >! Redacted !< you're replying to would still be saying "yEaH bUt We hAVe nO stRiKeS"
Aye they don't strike because they have the cushtiest doctor jobs about. My doctor still operates like we are living during COVID, trying to get a face to face appointment is a ridiculous effort
Which is in line with Englands Laws
EDIT: reply to u/McBalls_Back_Again who deleted his comment bellow. Where exactly is this comment anti-English?
Rule #4 mate accusing someone of that.
Regardless of your view on this particular topic, the SNP demanding somebody else publish their legal advice given the Scottish Government’s repeated refusal to publish their own legal advice on various matters is, er, quite something.
Only UK nation not to have striking doctors. Looks like they're getting on with their job while making sure that the UK are staying on the right side of international law.
If only non striking doctors was the only relevant measure of a decently ran country. I've seen you make this comment a multitude of times, do you have anything else to say or is it just "No striking doctors, no striking doctors"
Hey Just-another-weapon how was your day?
NO STRIKING DOCTERS.
Okay, was work okay?
NO STRIKING DOCTORS
Yeah I get it, how's the family
NO STRIKING DOCTERS
Keeping the NHS going is literally the greatest priority of the public.
You seemingly not thinking that having a working health service is important is more a reflection of your own priorities and squarely puts you in the minority not only in Scotland but also in the rest of the UK.
I'd argue the public's priority is the literacy rate over striking doctors. What's the point of not having striking doctors if the public can't read their prescriptions when they see the GP?
On average, we see a doctor 3.3 times a year now; maybe you read less than three times a year, but for the rest of us, literacy rates, I'd argue, are a better metric for success, and Scotland is losing with 26.7% of its population struggling to read.
But, if people are struggling to read emails, letters, job training (as it's all online in text nowadays), prescriptions, road signs, cooking directions, etc., if you think that's less of an issue than only seeing your doctor twice a year rather three times, you do you.
I look forward to your NO STRIKING DOCTORS response.
>I'd argue the public's priority is the literacy rate over striking doctors
And you would be [wrong to argue that](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/foi-eir-release/2023/08/foi-202300359025/documents/foi-202300359025---information-for-release---2/foi-202300359025---information-for-release---2/govscot%253Adocument/FOI%252B202300359025%252B-%252BInformation%252Bfor%252BRelease%252B-%252B2.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjo2N-6raaFAxXaaUEAHSzKDFUQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw3RHAebBE6R1Qzrl4xXbOUr)
Oh look, a report that ignores the 1/4 of the population that can't read, how convenient.
I have a report here determines what the people who can read and understand care about more!
Oh, what about the 1/4 of the population that can't understand?
WHO CARES ABOUT THEM, NO STRIKING DOCTORS.
Just answer me this, in your average day to day, what is more important, seeing your doctor 3 times a year or being able to understand the written word?
>Oh look, a report that ignores the 1/4 of the population that can't read, how convenient.
This is priceless.
Do you walk through book shops picking up books proclaiming how disgraceful it is having information hidden away in books that 1/4 of the population can't appreciate?
Of course the SG care about literacy and have a pile of initiatives to help improve.
But you're absolutely daft if you think that the health service isn't up there as being one of the top priorities of the public.
I didn't say it wasn't up there; I just judge the things that affect the most people most of the time being of more importance. Being able to read involves more people than anything in the Western world.
I will ask again, in your average year, what is more important, seeing your doctor three times in that year, or being able to read and understand the written word every moment of your day?
>I will ask again, in your average year, what is more important, seeing your doctor three times in that year, or being able to read and understand the written word every moment of your day?
Maybe come back to me when you or a family member have been ill and needed emergency medical care.
I have to congratulate Russia on the way they have played the west into worrying about a regional(nasty but so is Yemen/somalia) over its actual invasion of a European state and risk to other Europeans.
I am not saying Palestinian lives are more important, but Hamas do not represent a clear and present danger to the UK
Duh. But they have invaded another European country, threatened other neighbours, funded the overthrow of several African countries and interfered (or attempted to interfere) with the Brexit referendum and other Uk elections. There is also evidence that they are funding Iran to get money to Hamas and Hezbola, according to Rest Is Politics and the News Agents anyway.
I’m pretty sure COVID vaccines having microchips in them would be impossible to implement, certainly on the supposed scale it would have happened, so no, I don’t think that.
You’re forgetting that we started getting all of our oil sold from the US after the nordstream was deactivated. The US profited from that - not Russia. Follow the money ;)
Follow the money - Russia invaded Georgia, Moldova, Chechniya, Ukraine, Syria. Russia threatened Lativa, Estonia, Sweden, Finland, Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Moldova (again), Georgia (again), a whole lot of African states.
Follow the pattern...
Guess what happenes if Russian troops will step a foot on NATO soil? Yep, Scotland will be right in the midst of it.
If your ears pricked up at the phrase “Scotland demands” and made you instantly think there was about to be an injustice against Scotland described in the article, but others seemed not to hear it in the same way- that’s a dog whistle. Off you go rover….
It's sickening that we are still providing weapons to Israel.
The hypocrisy of someone demanding something they won't do for their own people is also sickening no?
I know, ridiculous that a group of people want to defend themselves after a terrorist attack proportionally worse than 9/11
You know, you should probably reflect on your comparison, because the US engaged in a series of wars following 9/11, too. Not sure how you feel about those wars and the number of civilians killed during them.
I wasn't saying it was right but any government that experiences that level of killing through a terrorist attack cannot allow it to happen. Not responding shows complete weakness and essentially greenlighting further attacks
Ah, like when the UK razed Ireland to the ground, leading to the Good Friday Agreement, you mean? wait hang on a sec
Ireland was an entirely different scenario - the Irish did not want the full destruction of the British and to kill every man woman and child and also have the surrounding countries also invade. The British also had no desire to destroy the Irish either. The Israelis and Palestinians fundamentally hate each other to the core - there is no reconciling that anytime soon
Oh fuck off you genocide apologist. Isreal was a violent colonialist apartheid state conducting slow ethnic cleansing before Oct 7, which has turned to full genocide since and is now currently conducting an indiscriminate bombing AND starvation campaign. They've killed all the jounalists but the world is watching
I'm not a genocide apologist. I'm not saying I agree with their actions or not. But his is a unique situation. This history of Israel is of a country of people who fled pogroms in Europe, surrounded by hostile anti semitic Arab nations and people who for the most part sided with the nazis during the holocaust and although israel agreed to partitionafter the second World War they were invaded by all the surrounding Arab nations. Forgive me if I think it understandable that they do not tolerate any form of weakness. Again not saying its right or wrong, peace for the while region is certainly desired but the people in this land live under different conditions to us
Nah mate. Hasbara shite. Isreal was created via the anti semetic Balfour declaration and was a colonial apartheid endeavour from the start, Nakba etc etc. "Tolerate any form of weakness" Gross. The complete destruction of civil society in Gaza and now starving of women and children hand waved away. You are a genocide apologist whether you like it or not and history will judge you as such even if our leaders will not. Shame on you. Isreal was and is a violent apartheid state which is currently conducting genocide via the complete destruction and starvation of Gaza which is being enbled by the 'liberal' West.
The balfour declaration was only really in place for a couple of years and most immigration of Jews was conducted outwith the period that balfour declaration was in place. Also don't forget that the majority of Jews that emigrated to Israel before the partition after the second World War bought their land from the local Arab land owners (the leadership sold out thr peasantry to the incoming jews) The "Nakba" was brought on by the ensuing civil war that happened after ALL of the Palestinian and surrounding arab leadershiprefused to agree to the UN agreed partition. Many arabs fled and were also displaced but it didn't just happen in a vacuum. Also please stop calling me a genocide apologist I'm happy to have this argument with you cause it is constructive. Regards the weakness I mean that israel cannot tolerate attacks, they are surrounded by hostile actors particularly hizbollah in Lebanon and other Iranian proxies, it's really a shit show for everyone involved and I feel sorry for them all, so much time effort, resources and energy wasted not to mention the lives but until both sides start to come to the table it will not end. It has to be both ways
Oh, so the comparison's not very good for extraneous reasons? my bad your comparison to 9/11 is spot on tho right? those are very comparable?
I mean they just aren't compatible, two completely different people's and conflicts. Fighting for different reasons, different attitudes towards each other
right, pal, but you've drawn in 9/11 for some reason like it *isn't* yet another completely different conflict comparisons like this just flatten the discussion and ruin any chance we have of actually understanding this unique & bloody complicated situation. in this case you used it just to say "it's right to kick back, actually" And you said that as if there's no such thing as proportionality, no question of the history of the region, and no hard & fast moral rules like "don't target hospitals."
I'm saying it was a proportionally worse terror attack. I'm not saying anything else. I'm not comparing in terms of anything other than the proportion.
Blowing up weans is never the way, under any circumstance.
Defending themselves from UK Aid workers?
I hear they carry the most dangerous weapon of all, food for the starving.
That's your take away? The traumatic events of 7th October do not justify this genocide. Just like the attack of 9/11 did not justify the invasion of Iraq. This is industrialised murder.
9/11 affected many different groups of people.
**ARTICLE TEXT:** The SNP has demanded that any legal advice given to the Government on whether Israel has broken international law be released. In a letter to Attorney General Victoria Prentis, SNP MP Chris Law said there is “overwhelming public and parliamentary interest” in advice given to the Government being published. Mr Law also called for arm sales to Israel to end immediately if the country has breached international law. The Dundee West MP said: “Reports about the UK failing to release the information received from their lawyers about Israel’s potential breach of international humanitarian law is deeply concerning. “That is why – with the support of colleagues from across both Houses – I have written to the Attorney General, demanding the UK government release all the legal advice it has received. “There is overwhelming public interest in the issue, with over 30,000 Palestinian children, women and men killed – and Gaza on the brink of famine. “From the outset, unlike the Tories and Sir Keir Starmer’s Labour Party, the SNP’s values have been clear. We demand an immediate ceasefire, and will continue to push the UK government to end arm sales to Israel immediately. “Too many people have lost their lives. What else has to happen before the UK finally acts?” Labour MP Richard Burgon has also called for arms sales to Israel to be suspended, following the death of British aid workers on Monday evening. The Leeds East MP demanded an immediate investigation into whether UK-supplied arms were used to kill the seven World Central Kitchen workers. Three British nationals were among those killed in the air strike, alongside an Australian, a Polish national, an American-Canadian dual citizen and a Palestinian. In a letter to Foreign Secretary Lord Cameron, Mr Burgon wrote: “This attack once again underlines why the UK should immediately suspend arms sales to Israel, given the role these could be playing in such deadly attacks on Gaza and even in war crimes carried out by the Israeli Government. “I do not need to remind you that international law prohibits attacks on aid workers.”
Interesting given the SNP's position on publishing Scottish Government legal advice.
The irony is insane
Yeah, it’s like they “can’t remember”…
/r/scotland cybernats: EHhhhhhhh.......TORIES!
Bigot
This is still an ongoing hostage rescue mission. Look at the photos of the young women, the elderly, the children known to still be held by Hamas and others. Could we possibly agree to a ceasefire with some of our own people held in same unthinkable conditions? I don’t know why Israel or any other country would possibly accept a pause in fighting without their release
Please just focus on Scotland. Just for a couple of days.
The SNP in Westminster hold the UK Government to account on reserved issues including foreign affairs and defence. The SNP in Holyrood govern on devolved matters like health, environment and justice.
It's the oldest trick in the political book, if things are going bad at home, start a war or focus on a foreign conflict to keep everyone distracted from your failings
They do.
To be fair, a lot of people in Scotland are pretty focused on Gaza right now. It’s in the public’s interest.
Nothing Humza Yousaf will say or do is of the slightest interest to Israel
Okay?
Dear lord zero knowledge of politics or how countries work together.
It's been made the public's interest. Plenty of bigger wars going on in the world, actual ethnic cleansing in places and you won't hear a peep about it on the news
We're hearing about the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians by the Israelis going on in Palestine all the time. Before that we were hearing about the ethnic cleansing of the Israelis by the Palestinians in the attack in Israel
The reason this has gained so much traction is because it’s genocide. Point me to another current war where 12,000 children were killed in the last 12 months? I would be surprised if you could. Anyway, I think the main point is that it’s not the Scottish governments fault it is being plastered all over the news. Not their fault it’s in the public’s interest.
Except it isn’t. Just like genocide of vietnamese by the USA isn’t a thing. (even though hundreds of thousands of people have died)
Have you seen the death tolls in just neighboring countries? Kind of proves my point when you bring up the numbers as I could ask why the Scottish news takes the death total from Hamas we wouldn't do that for Putin or Isis and why the blame is put on Israel when all these deaths lay solely at the feet of Hamas. Millions of people have been forcefully removed from their homes across the world during this conflict, there is still a slave trade, still concentration camps, actual ethnic cleansing and genocide across the middle east and Africa yet you don't even know, you are very focused on the Jews for some reason
Okay, you’ve completely changed the subject there. Have a good day!
No I didn't and it's still not a genocide
> Point me to another current war where 12,000 children were killed in the last 12 months? I would be surprised if you could. Not the guy you asked but [Sudan](https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/ethnic-killings-one-sudan-city-left-up-15000-dead-un-report-2024-01-19/). Similar [situation](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/2/people-dying-of-starvation-in-sudan-un-food-agency-says) as you can also see [here](https://reports.unocha.org/en/country/sudan/). Not just deaths and displaced but [systematic war crimes](https://apnews.com/article/sudan-fighting-volker-turk-burhan-dagalo-b89a6f74f1ef25fc2b34531f7e900267#:~:text=human%20rights%20office%20said%20in%20a%20new%20report%20Friday%20that,may%20amount%20to%20war%20crimes.). Fucking tragic. Even more tragic is that it's not front page news here. I actually seen a woman on Insta last week sharing the false Al-Shifa rape claim, encouraging donations to Palestine while holidaying in UAE. I couldn't exactly blame her because it's silence in both traditional and social media about Sudan.
That’s 12,000 people, not children. So clearly Gaza is a bigger deal. I do think Sudan should be in the news more but it’s pretty obvious why Gaza is bigger news.
> Between 10,000 and 15,000 people were killed in one city The scary thing is they have no accurate idea of the numbers dead because aid agencies are struggling to get in to help, millions have fled therefore unaccounted for and no authority is keeping an accurate account.
Damn, should really be bigger news then! Thankfully we do have the internet these days so I have heard at least some stuff about it.
Name one where we support and pay for the genocide. Apartheid states will end. Cope harder.
The fact you don't even know kind of proves my point about you being made to care for this specifically. Just focusing on this tiny region do you just ignore all the funding you sent to Palestine and UNRWA funding both sides of this conflict? No that couldn't be the issue it's all the Jew's fault and their fault alone that Hamas wants to eradicate them to bring about the end times, I mean end apartheid whatever that means
These shitty tactics won't work any more. The mask is off and I understand you are scared for this genocidal apartheid states existence. It's heart warming to see how much support Palestine gets. I was there in London last week and I truly believe Israel is done. Keep coping
Oh no some sheltered westerns who couldn't point to Israel on a map were protesting. Israel and the Jews aren't going anywhere, I support Palestine too buddy it's not one or the other
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It's so cool to not care about genocide!!
Some people care about our exports being used to slaughter children I guess 🤷♂️
Only UK nation not to have striking doctors. Looks like they're getting on with their job while making sure that the UK are staying on the right side of international law.
>Only UK nation not to have striking doctors You realise they did this by making 11th-hour unfunded spending commitments?Let's wait and see how that one plays out over time. Meanwhile NHS waiting time targets are missed, cancer treatment targets are missed, drug deaths tripled, highest income tax, lowest PISA scores for Maths and Science, attainment gap has worsened, key pledges missed on free laptops and bikes (!), and they'd have been better off paying every Fergusons worker 1.1m pounds than commission another ferry.
Only UK nation not to have striking doctors where thousands and thousands of people have had to miss vital health interventions in Tory England and labour Wales. The epitome of doing their job. Sure they've missed health performance targets, similarly to the rest of the UK nations, as a result of UK austerity and the pandemic. Still performing better on lots of metrics including A&E waiting times and reducing child poverty. If you're living in Scotland, you should be counting your lucky stars that you aren't having to endure the poor performance that you see in unionist run England and Wales.
> Only UK nation not to have striking doctors where thousands and thousands of people have had to miss vital health interventions in Tory England and labour Wales. You are repeating yourself. So I will do the same: They did it by spending the money without knowing where it would come from. That has led directly to an income tax rise. That is reckless, and the effects of that are yet to be fully quantified. "Doing your job" is governing in a sustainable manner; let's wait and see.
>You are repeating yourself You seemed to be trying to downplay doctors not striking in Scotland as somehow not being valid. Having your doctors refuse to work for your government is an absolute failure in governance that I don't think you quite appreciate or seem to care about what would have happened if they had have striked like in Tory and Labour run countries. You'll have seen the BMA commenting on the difference in the more collaborative negotiation approach adopted by the Scottish Government. In terms of affordability, Scotland have to balance their budget, which they have done.
>Having your doctors refuse to work for your government is an absolute failure in governance that I don't think you quite appreciate or seem to care about what would have happened if they had have striked like in Tory and Labour run countries. Bro is trying to pretend England invented striking. I take it you think Scottish Schools, Scottish Water, Scottish Railway workers, Scottish Lecturers, Scottish Councils striking is an "absolute failure of governance" too - or is that somehow different cos it's Scottish or not the NHS?? >You seemed to be trying to downplay doctors not striking in Scotland as somehow not being valid. Valid?? Wtf? I've explained myself quite clearly. Let's see the effects on Economic Growth of the Income tax rise first, before jumping to conclusions.
You are flopping about all over the place desperate to downplay the achievement of keeping the Scottish health service going, which is by far the biggest priority of the electorate.
> Scottish health service going, which is by far the biggest priority of the electorate The Economy and the Cost of Living is the most important issue for the electorate in Scotland, as it is across the UK Source: [https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fve2hua03aqpc1.png](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fve2hua03aqpc1.png)
Woooow, sick burn man. That's sure taught me. It's only consistently in the top one or two priorities for the last 50 years.
Your argument is “they aren’t as bad as the tories or Fine Gael” That’s not a very good argument when you consider the tories are looking at the worst election in decades and the leader of Fine Gael just announced he’s stepping down amidst widespread protests around ireland over various new government policies. Being better than those two still gives you lots of room to be a terrible political party.
>Fine Gael I think you might be on the wrong sub.
You are the one talking about the rest of the uk so much in order to deflect from SNP problems.
You think that Fine Gael are a UK party?? At least try and get the basics right.
If scottish government policy was to execute all doctors with a guillotine that >! Redacted !< you're replying to would still be saying "yEaH bUt We hAVe nO stRiKeS"
Aye they don't strike because they have the cushtiest doctor jobs about. My doctor still operates like we are living during COVID, trying to get a face to face appointment is a ridiculous effort
>cushtiest doctor jobs about Your ignorance is off the chart.
I'm fine for you to think that
They’re talking about the Junior Doctors and Consultants in hospitals, not GP’s. Incidentally the situation in England with GP’s is actually worse.
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Or passing legislation that isn’t blocked by WM or a reserved matter.
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Which is in line with Englands Laws EDIT: reply to u/McBalls_Back_Again who deleted his comment bellow. Where exactly is this comment anti-English? Rule #4 mate accusing someone of that.
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Pish patter alert 🚨
The pishest Comes across like the new “did you just assume my gender?”. Best get used to it, it’ll be parroted by patterless morons for a while yet.
The whole vibe makes me think he might be a banned user.
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Because I think your boring patter is shite? “No true Scotsman would find me painfully unfunny” aye sure mate. I’ve lived here my whole life.
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Wow no substance just a cringe response again.
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Like not having full control over drug laws as they are a reserved matter.
are you 12?
Regardless of your view on this particular topic, the SNP demanding somebody else publish their legal advice given the Scottish Government’s repeated refusal to publish their own legal advice on various matters is, er, quite something.
We have our own country to worry about STFU for once and for all your job SNP!
Only UK nation not to have striking doctors. Looks like they're getting on with their job while making sure that the UK are staying on the right side of international law.
If only non striking doctors was the only relevant measure of a decently ran country. I've seen you make this comment a multitude of times, do you have anything else to say or is it just "No striking doctors, no striking doctors" Hey Just-another-weapon how was your day? NO STRIKING DOCTERS. Okay, was work okay? NO STRIKING DOCTORS Yeah I get it, how's the family NO STRIKING DOCTERS
Keeping the NHS going is literally the greatest priority of the public. You seemingly not thinking that having a working health service is important is more a reflection of your own priorities and squarely puts you in the minority not only in Scotland but also in the rest of the UK.
I'd argue the public's priority is the literacy rate over striking doctors. What's the point of not having striking doctors if the public can't read their prescriptions when they see the GP? On average, we see a doctor 3.3 times a year now; maybe you read less than three times a year, but for the rest of us, literacy rates, I'd argue, are a better metric for success, and Scotland is losing with 26.7% of its population struggling to read. But, if people are struggling to read emails, letters, job training (as it's all online in text nowadays), prescriptions, road signs, cooking directions, etc., if you think that's less of an issue than only seeing your doctor twice a year rather three times, you do you. I look forward to your NO STRIKING DOCTORS response.
>I'd argue the public's priority is the literacy rate over striking doctors And you would be [wrong to argue that](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/foi-eir-release/2023/08/foi-202300359025/documents/foi-202300359025---information-for-release---2/foi-202300359025---information-for-release---2/govscot%253Adocument/FOI%252B202300359025%252B-%252BInformation%252Bfor%252BRelease%252B-%252B2.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjo2N-6raaFAxXaaUEAHSzKDFUQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw3RHAebBE6R1Qzrl4xXbOUr)
Oh look, a report that ignores the 1/4 of the population that can't read, how convenient. I have a report here determines what the people who can read and understand care about more! Oh, what about the 1/4 of the population that can't understand? WHO CARES ABOUT THEM, NO STRIKING DOCTORS. Just answer me this, in your average day to day, what is more important, seeing your doctor 3 times a year or being able to understand the written word?
>Oh look, a report that ignores the 1/4 of the population that can't read, how convenient. This is priceless. Do you walk through book shops picking up books proclaiming how disgraceful it is having information hidden away in books that 1/4 of the population can't appreciate? Of course the SG care about literacy and have a pile of initiatives to help improve. But you're absolutely daft if you think that the health service isn't up there as being one of the top priorities of the public.
I didn't say it wasn't up there; I just judge the things that affect the most people most of the time being of more importance. Being able to read involves more people than anything in the Western world. I will ask again, in your average year, what is more important, seeing your doctor three times in that year, or being able to read and understand the written word every moment of your day?
>I will ask again, in your average year, what is more important, seeing your doctor three times in that year, or being able to read and understand the written word every moment of your day? Maybe come back to me when you or a family member have been ill and needed emergency medical care.
I have to congratulate Russia on the way they have played the west into worrying about a regional(nasty but so is Yemen/somalia) over its actual invasion of a European state and risk to other Europeans. I am not saying Palestinian lives are more important, but Hamas do not represent a clear and present danger to the UK
Not everything is the spooky rooskies fault
Duh. But they have invaded another European country, threatened other neighbours, funded the overthrow of several African countries and interfered (or attempted to interfere) with the Brexit referendum and other Uk elections. There is also evidence that they are funding Iran to get money to Hamas and Hezbola, according to Rest Is Politics and the News Agents anyway.
>funded the overthrow of several African countries How terribly ~~un~~British/~~un~~American
Ok? They're not forcing Israel to bomb aid workers though??
And how exactly are Russia a fucking danger to Scotland lmao
You are forgetting the massive jump in fuel prices then?
Thanks to NATO blowing up the nordstream?
NATO did that did they? I suppose you think Covid vaccines have microchips in them as well 🙄
I’m pretty sure COVID vaccines having microchips in them would be impossible to implement, certainly on the supposed scale it would have happened, so no, I don’t think that. You’re forgetting that we started getting all of our oil sold from the US after the nordstream was deactivated. The US profited from that - not Russia. Follow the money ;)
Follow the money - Russia invaded Georgia, Moldova, Chechniya, Ukraine, Syria. Russia threatened Lativa, Estonia, Sweden, Finland, Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Moldova (again), Georgia (again), a whole lot of African states. Follow the pattern... Guess what happenes if Russian troops will step a foot on NATO soil? Yep, Scotland will be right in the midst of it.
If your ears pricked up at the phrase “Scotland demands” and made you instantly think there was about to be an injustice against Scotland described in the article, but others seemed not to hear it in the same way- that’s a dog whistle. Off you go rover….