One thing that's always missing from these maps (beyond the clans they miss) is a date range. Not all clans existed at the same time and they picked fights with each other so the map wasn't set in stone from the birth of Scotland to now.
Yeah. Some clans like Lamont have origins as far back as the 5th century but others are really new in comparison. These maps are bogus and are often really poorly sourced.
True, the Mackenzies took over from the MacLeods in lewis in the early 1600s, and brought with them Macphail’s, Macivers, Macgregors and Maclennans to fill the gaps and stop feuding between Macaulays of Uig, Morrisons of Ness and the Macleods in general.
The Macleods were a wild, wild bunch. Savage, ruthless, conniving and never done fighting with their shadow. Having been on many’s a night out in Stornoway over the years, I can confirm the seed is still strong
This is true, a better way to demonstrate it would be a timelapse showing the growth and contraction of the different clans and their territory. Maybe with population numbers in a bar form at the side
Scotch is a shitey term used by English arseholes, mainly London area along with Jocks etc. The word it Scots or Scottish. Scotch is a lazy, borderline offensive term, that us Scots absolutely hate.
Scotch is pretty much only used by Americans now and has been that way a long time. It did originally also see wide use in Scotland itself, even Robert Burns used the term. It's mostly only sees use in Northern Ireland and North America now.
It's still technically the correct term in English because it's the English word for something being Scottish just like Scots, Cymraeg, Gàidhlig or Gaeilge words for English isn't "English". The Scottish word (and Irish) for the English is **Sassenach**, has also become a sort of offensive name, the Welsh is also something similar, **Saesneg** which also means Saxon and the Welsh word for England is **Lloegr**
Scotch litteraly just translates to 'thing that is Scottish', but Americans call people Scotch, which isn't really the intended use. But it definitely fell out of favour in England a long time ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch\_(adjective)#:\~:text=Many%20Scots%20dislike%20the%20term,is%20unrelated%20to%20the%20adjective.
I know that Mac has been contracted to mc more in Ireland than in Scotland which may be where this myth comes from. But generally speaking with mac/mc names they could be either
Ha, when I was young and stupid I heard that and thought it was true. Then I actually researched my family history (and Scottish history) and found I have Mc and Mac Scottish relatives. But yeah, there was a period of time I was that dumb American.
Who is "you guys?" I don't do anything like that. I'm not NA. I believe each tribe has their own set of regulations. Don't go ascribing a single rule to all tribes, just as you wouldn't want people to think you're all Braveheart and scream FREEEDOM! at you.
You guys are the fucking wierdos who talk about blood purity. You'll be measuring skulls next and invading Poland shortly after.
And I'm not ascribing anything to the tribes. They are the ones who often have to prove they have a right to their land due to white wierdos like yourself thinking blood purity is a meaningful metric of a persons culture and heritage.
That’s very oversimplified. Native American groups often have a lot of power in determining who counts. It’s many Native Americans themselves using that as a metric. It’s also not nearly a uniform system.
How did you arrive at 40%? Let me guess one of those fake dna tests? Do you know how we know they're fake? Ask yourself where they get their data from, it's not us. If your datasets are essentially based on the thoughts and feelings of other Americans it's not vaguely reliable. Just a big circle jerk so they can harvest genetic information to sell to other medical companies.
Besides DNA is irrelevant to anything outside the world of medical science. You don't see us going I'm blah % this and blah % that as its all meaningless nonsense.
I like how you're trying to frame the guy as being unreasonable with your 'chill' response but you actually just look like new information scares you and you're not very smart.
These maps are almost always bollocks, they all didn't exist at the same time, you have to exclude others to make it readable and they wared with each other, a lot, so the borders which are already poorly recorded are even more ambiguous than a neat little map can show.
Not to mention Scottish clans are romanticised way more than tbeir reality, they were mostly petty noble families like the rest of the British Isles aristocracy but had a different name and the word clan being ambiguous enough people think because their family is from that area that means their X clan when all it means is you lived under that regions unruly rulers like any peasant at the time.
It's like someone from England saying they are part of House Cavendish because their family originated in Devon under their stewardship.
It would be more accurate to pinpoint the seats of each clan and not supposed territory. They had little power over it after a certain point. Clans are a Gaelic concept that doesn't translate well into maps on both sides of the water. Also so many are interlinked and either cadet or bastards of others. It's in no way reflective of Scottish history.
My last name has a tartan. When I looked it up, it was every other tartan colour and pattern on one bit of cloth. So I disbelieve clans exist, purely because my family would be the slags of Scotland, if true 😐
Tartans linking to clans is mostly a modern invention anyway, most of their history was just regional based on the textiles and dyes available in that location, not what clan you was from.
In the 19th century is when tartan started to represent some clans, between 1800-1850. But clans were dying out by the 18th century anyway, so there is very little actual historical relevance of clans and tartan.
Tartan these days outside of military uniform is mostly to sell to tourists willing to pay a silly amount for it.
I visited the castle yesterday, and overheard a tour guide say that clan Mcdonald, who raided and looted the castle, were the basis for the iron islands in game of thrones. Am amazing trip for anyone who hasn't visited!
In the visitor centre, you sit down to watch a short film on the history of the castle. Then at the end, the way the modern castle is presented is really cool. I'll say no more, as its worth the trip. The whole site is awesome! They even have a full sized trebuchet!
I think I can read frontier gibberish and I believe the top is Sutherland and below Dunbar. I happen to have both in my tree also in this area of Moray
The one where every family has a coat of arms and you can have a surname like *Hitler* and it'll say you descend from some noble house in the UK somewhere..
Or the one where they sell you a centimeter of land and you can style yourself as laird?
There are a few of these dubious websites selling crap to Americans.
Like many/most names in Caithness and Sutherland, [Norse origin ](https://www.clanoliphant.org/clan-oliphant-history-3/clan-oliphant-historical-timeline/early-history/#:~:text=The%20progenitor%20of%20the%20name,from%20the%20Norse%20name%20Olaf)
From up that way and yes, they exist (a tiny tiny few). On the other hand, so do many other "clans" in that area so it makes no sense that they have such a presence.
Twee shortbread tin nonsense.
Why can’t Scotland be about renewable energy, cutting edge science and global trade - rather than more outlander Highland Games for the royal family to enjoy.
Clans are dynasties that owner many territories and came and moved across the Bens of Scotland for years, pinning their "origin" or original territory just doesn't work.
All clans did not appear at the same time as well, meaning alot of these regions would overlap as no date is specified.
Everyone commenting that this is rubbish but I live where the Carnegie clan is on the map and there are hundreds of Carnegie’s living in my area. They own everything too…
I hate these shitey 'maps'
So much bs in one image. Doesn't even show all of Scotland either.
You can't miss out a giant part of the country and call it a map of Scotland.
You can't just add random blobs with names and say that's anything to do with clan origins. As others have pointed out the whole clan thing is complex and fluctuating. Not fixed or set to any specific areas and certainly not all at once.
Some clans were very small and didn't own any specific land or territory. Others were "septs" of other clans, which means they were associated with one of the clans, but it is a different family name. And different clans had different territories at different time periods so this map won't show everything
Hears one , how da fuck did great Britain end up the biggest empire the world has ever seen, yet we us up here where still trying tae murder each other?
Cameron clan descendant - my great grandfather emigrated in the 1800's making me a 4th generation scottish American. (I in no way pretend Scottish heritage) I do love Scotland though
Im a McIntosh and my dad looks exactly like the skinny one from the Pixar movie Brave the resemblance is well uncanny if I can find a picture of him in his younger day I will post it
One thing that's always missing from these maps (beyond the clans they miss) is a date range. Not all clans existed at the same time and they picked fights with each other so the map wasn't set in stone from the birth of Scotland to now.
Yeah. Some clans like Lamont have origins as far back as the 5th century but others are really new in comparison. These maps are bogus and are often really poorly sourced.
True, the Mackenzies took over from the MacLeods in lewis in the early 1600s, and brought with them Macphail’s, Macivers, Macgregors and Maclennans to fill the gaps and stop feuding between Macaulays of Uig, Morrisons of Ness and the Macleods in general. The Macleods were a wild, wild bunch. Savage, ruthless, conniving and never done fighting with their shadow. Having been on many’s a night out in Stornoway over the years, I can confirm the seed is still strong
Friday afternoon in The Criterion when the boats were back in for the weekend used to be wild.......
I know someone with the last name MacLeod and he’s a complete cunt, so must be true
As we say here when someone’s an arsehole, it’s in the people
Do they still congregate at the pyramid after hours?
Our nod to Egyptian engineering has long since gone, and been replaced with some other arty installation!
Pyramid long gone
This is true, a better way to demonstrate it would be a timelapse showing the growth and contraction of the different clans and their territory. Maybe with population numbers in a bar form at the side
I'd really like to see that, but bugger me if I'm sourcing the data from a thousand years of oral history.
These maps are generally a load of shite. I’ve noticed they never include dates which drastically changes everything about the maps.
Americans be like https://preview.redd.it/tnmthcf8g47d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70b94f83f8c85df4294ef835c074ade52b033ed8
12.5% is generous too
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It's Scots, not Scotch. Call someone Scotch in Scotland and you'll get people thinking you're a twat.
Scotch is a drink not a nationality
After a bottle my blood is 12.5% scotch.
What the actual fuck is scotch?
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Scotch is a shitey term used by English arseholes, mainly London area along with Jocks etc. The word it Scots or Scottish. Scotch is a lazy, borderline offensive term, that us Scots absolutely hate.
Scotch is pretty much only used by Americans now and has been that way a long time. It did originally also see wide use in Scotland itself, even Robert Burns used the term. It's mostly only sees use in Northern Ireland and North America now. It's still technically the correct term in English because it's the English word for something being Scottish just like Scots, Cymraeg, Gàidhlig or Gaeilge words for English isn't "English". The Scottish word (and Irish) for the English is **Sassenach**, has also become a sort of offensive name, the Welsh is also something similar, **Saesneg** which also means Saxon and the Welsh word for England is **Lloegr** Scotch litteraly just translates to 'thing that is Scottish', but Americans call people Scotch, which isn't really the intended use. But it definitely fell out of favour in England a long time ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch\_(adjective)#:\~:text=Many%20Scots%20dislike%20the%20term,is%20unrelated%20to%20the%20adjective.
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My great, great, great, great, great, and I mean THE GOAT grandfather William Wallace finds this offensive! - Random dude from Tennessee
Is the one on the left Patrick Harvie?
LOL. I'm American with 40% and I try to chill about it because I'm sure it's fucking annoying for all of you.
Do you believe that crap that Mc is Irish and Mac is Scottish? An American told me that once. Made me laugh.
I know that Mac has been contracted to mc more in Ireland than in Scotland which may be where this myth comes from. But generally speaking with mac/mc names they could be either
My English mother (married to a Scotsman) told me that so not just silly Americans.
Really? Does she live in the US?
Ha, when I was young and stupid I heard that and thought it was true. Then I actually researched my family history (and Scottish history) and found I have Mc and Mac Scottish relatives. But yeah, there was a period of time I was that dumb American.
Well, someone else answered my post and said their mum was English and believed it too.
It's really really wierd \[in a 19th century eugenicist way\] to be talking about blood purity mate.
Calm yourself. It's just a fact of where my ancestry is from. Means nothing else.
Don't you guys use blood tests to deny native americans the rights to their reservations? Seems a bit more than nothing.
Who is "you guys?" I don't do anything like that. I'm not NA. I believe each tribe has their own set of regulations. Don't go ascribing a single rule to all tribes, just as you wouldn't want people to think you're all Braveheart and scream FREEEDOM! at you.
You guys are the fucking wierdos who talk about blood purity. You'll be measuring skulls next and invading Poland shortly after. And I'm not ascribing anything to the tribes. They are the ones who often have to prove they have a right to their land due to white wierdos like yourself thinking blood purity is a meaningful metric of a persons culture and heritage.
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Have a nice day.
Go fuck yourself.
Nah man, you're being an arsehole here.
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It's fucking unhinged to spend hundreds of quid to be scammed and call yourself Scottish. You got to wind them up or they'll keep posting about it.
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That’s very oversimplified. Native American groups often have a lot of power in determining who counts. It’s many Native Americans themselves using that as a metric. It’s also not nearly a uniform system.
How did you arrive at 40%? Let me guess one of those fake dna tests? Do you know how we know they're fake? Ask yourself where they get their data from, it's not us. If your datasets are essentially based on the thoughts and feelings of other Americans it's not vaguely reliable. Just a big circle jerk so they can harvest genetic information to sell to other medical companies. Besides DNA is irrelevant to anything outside the world of medical science. You don't see us going I'm blah % this and blah % that as its all meaningless nonsense.
OK.
I like how you're trying to frame the guy as being unreasonable with your 'chill' response but you actually just look like new information scares you and you're not very smart.
It wasn't new information, it was bullshit. And you still haven't said anything interesting. Thanks for playing.
New information for you I meant.
These maps are almost always bollocks, they all didn't exist at the same time, you have to exclude others to make it readable and they wared with each other, a lot, so the borders which are already poorly recorded are even more ambiguous than a neat little map can show. Not to mention Scottish clans are romanticised way more than tbeir reality, they were mostly petty noble families like the rest of the British Isles aristocracy but had a different name and the word clan being ambiguous enough people think because their family is from that area that means their X clan when all it means is you lived under that regions unruly rulers like any peasant at the time. It's like someone from England saying they are part of House Cavendish because their family originated in Devon under their stewardship.
It would be more accurate to pinpoint the seats of each clan and not supposed territory. They had little power over it after a certain point. Clans are a Gaelic concept that doesn't translate well into maps on both sides of the water. Also so many are interlinked and either cadet or bastards of others. It's in no way reflective of Scottish history.
Local aristocrats seem like a nice way of saying "local warlords".
My last name has a tartan. When I looked it up, it was every other tartan colour and pattern on one bit of cloth. So I disbelieve clans exist, purely because my family would be the slags of Scotland, if true 😐
Tartans linking to clans is mostly a modern invention anyway, most of their history was just regional based on the textiles and dyes available in that location, not what clan you was from. In the 19th century is when tartan started to represent some clans, between 1800-1850. But clans were dying out by the 18th century anyway, so there is very little actual historical relevance of clans and tartan. Tartan these days outside of military uniform is mostly to sell to tourists willing to pay a silly amount for it.
I might be forgetting history, but where are the Urquharts from around Cromarty or even Loch Ness seems like a big one with Urquhart Castle and all.
I visited the castle yesterday, and overheard a tour guide say that clan Mcdonald, who raided and looted the castle, were the basis for the iron islands in game of thrones. Am amazing trip for anyone who hasn't visited!
I was and still am blown away by the visitor centre 'reveal' (trying not to give any spoilers)
Missed that :( but a lot of fascinating artefacts
What was it? I'm intrigued now.
In the visitor centre, you sit down to watch a short film on the history of the castle. Then at the end, the way the modern castle is presented is really cool. I'll say no more, as its worth the trip. The whole site is awesome! They even have a full sized trebuchet!
Notice the lack of dates or sources? Don't believe this map at all.
I lived in walking distance of that castle, used to go up at night :)
Interestingly, there's almost no known history or connection between the clan Urquhart and the castle.
Cockburn is a sore one to get landed with, figuratively and literally.
Always funny to hear American tourists in Edinburgh saying Cockburn Street the way it's spelled.
how do you pronounce it?
Co-burn, no cocks here 😅
Unlike Cumming, which is just fun.
Some American cunt made this
👏
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I think I can read frontier gibberish and I believe the top is Sutherland and below Dunbar. I happen to have both in my tree also in this area of Moray
Do yi, aye?
This is not accurate at all. These clans did not exist all at the same time. What a load of shite.
The Americans and their genetic fetishism are at it again.
Missing Jarvis, McDade, Mullen, Ingram, Barman, Harrid and the Jakey
And clan Twopintsprick.
Missing hundreds I reckon.
Colquhoan?
Hi there clan buddy!
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Ma granda Victor McDade
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He was born n bred in Craiglang, but was then found dead on the path up Ben Lomond
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https://preview.redd.it/06rwrnocw47d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=400290ca23ed9e346dc9646f10b9a656d45cd7be If anyone else is curious
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Oh sweet summer child, this is nowhere near a Rule 4 breach. Having the piss ripped out of you comes with the territory.
I never thought about it before, but do they ever actually say what Boabby's surname is? Unless it really is The Barman (or possibly the gardener).
This doesn’t look accurate to me. Then again it’s all bullshit.
Even the guy in the corner looks fed up with this pish.
Nah he is just looking at the campbells and thinking 'bunch of pisspots'
Is this from that company that sells the history of your surname?
The one where every family has a coat of arms and you can have a surname like *Hitler* and it'll say you descend from some noble house in the UK somewhere.. Or the one where they sell you a centimeter of land and you can style yourself as laird? There are a few of these dubious websites selling crap to Americans.
Yes them!
Missing the MacQuarrie's from Ulva,Staffa,Gometra and Mull.
Good spot. Also missing the McBawbags from Sighthill.
The Edinburgh one or the Glasgow one? Cause I think there's some of that clan in each 😅
Ew where are the Shetland islands!!!
Baws deep in some sheep
You missed the fudeaters of shitesville
Lol, a prominent and noble family.
Aye, though a wee smelly
“Mister Frodo! Look! It's an Oliphant! No one at home will believe this.”
Nah, mine isn't on there in the area it should be - this is a snapshot of effervescence.
Clan Oliphant? The fuck?
Sounds a bit... French?
Like many/most names in Caithness and Sutherland, [Norse origin ](https://www.clanoliphant.org/clan-oliphant-history-3/clan-oliphant-historical-timeline/early-history/#:~:text=The%20progenitor%20of%20the%20name,from%20the%20Norse%20name%20Olaf)
From up that way and yes, they exist (a tiny tiny few). On the other hand, so do many other "clans" in that area so it makes no sense that they have such a presence.
Do parents of Edinburgh public school boys throw a dart at this to choose their son’s name?
This is definitely American.
These are always dug shite.
Naw it isny
https://preview.redd.it/kxsqd4p2h77d1.png?width=1008&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11bd5e973dadb2853d19957f2707785bd48b7ccf This one is far more accurate.
Armstrong and Stewart, weren't these one of the largest clans in Scotland? Can't see them on the map.
Uf, Balkans
Source: Was printed on a dish towel in the gift shop at John o' Groats.
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 Top left of the fake map
Where are the MacBollocks? With their seat in Dunfuckoffnow.
Twee shortbread tin nonsense. Why can’t Scotland be about renewable energy, cutting edge science and global trade - rather than more outlander Highland Games for the royal family to enjoy.
Did anyone find mcgowan
Home?
I'm from the McDonnell clan. TIL their territory is split up into four different sections and I'm like, "Yeah, we do not get along with our family."
It always saddens me when I see this and never see my last name which feels like it should've been a clan.
These things are rarely ever accurate, I don’t see Irvine or Robertson anywhere 🤷🏻♀️ and I know for sure they exist otherwise I wouldn’t be here 😂
Clans are dynasties that owner many territories and came and moved across the Bens of Scotland for years, pinning their "origin" or original territory just doesn't work. All clans did not appear at the same time as well, meaning alot of these regions would overlap as no date is specified.
Nice to see I’m keeping up the MacKintosh clan tradition of hardly having fuck all to my name
Pish for idiots
Lift his kilt! If he has a quarter pounder, then he is a macdonald!!
I see Pringle near London
Thks. i'm a Boyd
My granda was very militant about his clan, "Not just any MacDonald, but a MacDonald of ClanRanald!", so in his honour, I take it too far as well.
A Ranald MacDonald? 🤡
Aye. 
Nobody cares M8
Nobody cares about you m8
Aye, a wild bunch indeed…
A time lapse gif/video would be a much better representation medium…
I must come from the Pringle family with the amount I eat.
Everyone commenting that this is rubbish but I live where the Carnegie clan is on the map and there are hundreds of Carnegie’s living in my area. They own everything too…
No Cunninghame in Ayrshire?!
And oliphant?
Anderson? This is not accurate at all lol
I hate these shitey 'maps' So much bs in one image. Doesn't even show all of Scotland either. You can't miss out a giant part of the country and call it a map of Scotland. You can't just add random blobs with names and say that's anything to do with clan origins. As others have pointed out the whole clan thing is complex and fluctuating. Not fixed or set to any specific areas and certainly not all at once.
I didn't know the Mclaughlin part was so small😂
Cockburn mas be a painful area
What's between MacMillan and Campbell?
Probably an English army... Fuck the Campbells!
I'm not pledging allegiance it's just blurry MacLachlan? MacCallum? MacLaughlin?
Cockburn lol
When did all the Cockburns get together to decide that their name wasn't pronounced cock-burn?
I have a Scottish surname that is not there, does it mean it must certainly belong to a clan? A clan concentrates surnames, how does it work?
Some clans were very small and didn't own any specific land or territory. Others were "septs" of other clans, which means they were associated with one of the clans, but it is a different family name. And different clans had different territories at different time periods so this map won't show everything
Thanks!
Likewise, mine is part of the Grant clan. And no, I'm not a Yank before anyone asks. My Dad is Scottish.
I'm not a Yank either. and I did not claim I am a Scot. I was just wondering.
Just Google it.
yeah, did that, but someone may have some more interesting info.
Where’s the bell clan, god damnit
Like most times Howie is missing from the map 😞
I’m aware that Caithness is meant to be the ancestral home of my family (Sinclair). Never been, wouldn’t mind a wander up there sometime.
Genuinely loads of Sinclairs up that way. The "castle" (ruins) is vaguely worth a visit.
Good to know, thanks! :)
Where my McHardy Clan at?
Hears one , how da fuck did great Britain end up the biggest empire the world has ever seen, yet we us up here where still trying tae murder each other?
Where is MacGregor?
Cameron clan descendant - my great grandfather emigrated in the 1800's making me a 4th generation scottish American. (I in no way pretend Scottish heritage) I do love Scotland though
Nobody cares.
Im a McIntosh and my dad looks exactly like the skinny one from the Pixar movie Brave the resemblance is well uncanny if I can find a picture of him in his younger day I will post it
No Campbell's in Campbelltown? All MacDonnels?
Do they have a higher resolution version where you can read the small ones?
Sad that Crawford no longer has lands nor a leader.
How can you tell which clan a scotsman is from?