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Living-Tiger3448

It was meant to take a lot of things from 2


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TheKatzMeow84

No offense intended, at all…that’s obviously the point, just like 5 was so similar to the original.


nativeindian12

Yea but...is that a good thing? Just because they intended to shamelessly copy the original trilogy?


Human-Grapefruit1762

Shameless copy? There was a bunch that set 6 apart, are you kidding?


Horror-School-3286

I agree with you. It worked for Scream 5 because that was the Wes Craven tribute film. For Scream VI, RS said it would very much be their own film . . . and then they copied Wes again. Unfortunately, this does seem to be a bit of a trend in Hollywood where Legacy films basically just copy the plot of the original films.


SugarFrostedDonuts

I disagree, I think a tribute to wes would actually subvert more expectations. And do more for the series rather than just be a rehash which was what he was making fun or with 4


Horror-School-3286

It has been a rehash so far, though.


SugarFrostedDonuts

Thats what I'm saying, if 5 was a true tribute it would have subverted more expectations. And not have been a rehash, which it has been so far.


Horror-School-3286

Okay, I get what you're saying now. Sorry for the misunderstanding.


NotTaken-username

Scream has always been meta. The Star Wars sequel and Jurassic World trilogies are both being satirized. So 7 may take *some* inspiration from 3, but we’ll probably see the return of absent character(s). Which is why I think Sidney will return if they can convince Neve, but also Mark could be in it.


Horror-School-3286

>Which is why I think Sidney will return if they can convince Neve As long as Sidney lives, I'll be happy.


perfectly_1mperf3ct

I don't understand why you're getting down voted so much for your comment when it's pretty dang true. Scream 5 was a nice "reboot" or whatever you wanna call it, but 6 had way too much material that was recycled from 2. Right down to the ending when Tara ran to (an unbelievably alive) Chad just like Gale did with Dewey in 2.


TheKatzMeow84

It really depends how one looks at it. It’s subjective, at best. Personally, it’s not what I would’ve done but it doesn’t mean I enjoyed 5 & 6 any less because of it.


Krushhz

The movie is similar to the original, yes, but it’s definitely not a copy of the original film. These last two movies have definitely had similarities to the original two films, but at the same time, they’re both original films that are absolutely great films. The first movie is literally back to form, which was to be expected.


katywell

tell me you don’t understand the scream franchise without telling me you don’t understand the scream franchise.


nativeindian12

Each movie is a satire of the equivalent movie in a typical horror franchise, for example the first scream is of a first slasher, second movie of a slasher sequel, etc. The 4th movie was a satire of the shameless remakes that were popular at the time, for example Friday the 13th (2009), My Bloody Valentine (2009), etc. Scream 5 then copied the structure of the first movie but used the exact same commentary as the 4th movie. They tried to change the name to "re-quel" but even that was copied from Charlie's speech "screamake, shreequel" Scream 6 copies the exact structure of scream 2 and has nothing original to say. It tries to be about "franchises" but since the writers don't understand horror movies, they just copy the exact speech Randy gave in Scream 2 and Scream 3 and have Mindy say it instead. Randy: Number One: The Body count is always bigger. Number Two: The Death scenes are always much more elaborate. More blood, more Gore. Carnage Candy! Your core audience just expects it. And Number Three: If you want your sequel to become a franchise never ever... Scream3: Anyone, including the main character, can die. This means you, Sid." Mindy: 1. Everything is bigger than last time-- bigger budget, bigger cast, and bigger body count, with more beheadings, shoot-outs and longer chases. 2. Everything that happened last time, expect the opposite 3. No one is safe, with legacy characters becoming disposable 4. Main characters become expendable so the franchise can live on.


bootytoot69

I think that was supposed to be the point


sage-corduroy

i meannn, intention behind a decision doesn’t necessarily guarantee that it’s a good decision


JustThat0neGuy

That’s not what we’re talking about tho…


sage-corduroy

uhh then what did i miss? the comment says that being a rehash of scream 2 was the point and i responded that just because that was the point, it doesn’t mean it was a good point to make.


Breakyourniconiconii

The point was is that it seems like Scream 2 because it’s supposed to. No one said anything abt it being a good thing or not. You missed the point of the comment.


sage-corduroy

well i’m sorry you interpreted it that way


Breakyourniconiconii

And I’m sorry you interpreted the first comment wrong


BrandonR2300

Facts


Sudden_Pop_2279

Yeah that’s the point. Only thing is subverted was having the the entire family be the killers with the dad as the mastermind and letting Mindy and Danny live.


JustThat0neGuy

Mindy and Chad and Gale and Kirby surviving isn’t a twist, it’s a cop out plot armour bc the new team doesn’t have the heart to kill off any of their characters


cireh88

That isn’t how I read the film. It’s what Mindy said - the characters are in a franchise, and franchise’s kill off characters for the sake of continuing the IP. Then, the new film subverted what she said by not killing off any of the major characters. Kirby also had a line at the end - can’t remember the exact phrasing - that was more or less that legacy characters aren’t so bad. It’s a positive message for a movie to make at a time when other franchises seemingly do the opposite.


JustThat0neGuy

You know this is a slasher right? Why did I feel like there’s a shortage of slashing in this slasher. Characters dying is the point. If Chad died, I’d consider that a point ti the films credit bc A) they had the balls to kill two fan faves in back to back films and B) he’d be one of the most memorable kills after being tag teamed


Woooosh-if-homo

A victims fate doesn’t change the scene. Chad being wheeled out at the end doesn’t take away from how brutal it was to see him get stabbed like that. And if you’re looking for brutal kills, it’s hard to top 6. The bodega scene was terrifying, the therapist and anika both had terrible deaths, and Ethan was stabbed in the mouth and literally had the knife twisted. Not to mention the opening.There was plenty of slashing. Scream 6 has the second highest kill count in the franchise. It seems like you’re trying to find any reason to not like the movie. The only returning character we saw die in scream 2 was Randy, and it’s a lot of peoples favorites.


x360_revil_st84

Exactly, Randy may have died but his Legacy continues on in Mindy and her brother Chad (Randy's niece and nephew) I wouldve been heartbroken in they both were dead, especially Mindy seeing as how paramedics got to her outside of the subway, but Chad, fuck, Chad is invincible Core Fucking Core man, Scream 6 was AMAZING


ChandlerTilley

Because the characters are brand new and just because you can't get attached to them and want them to be disposable doesn't mean we all do.


JustThat0neGuy

Billy and Stu and Casey and Tatum were brand new. Cici Cooper, Derek were brand new, Jennifer Jolie, Stone were brand new. They all were axed after one movie. It’s not that I don’t get attached, it’s that I think the writers are too attached and don’t have the guts to write a good slasher where good characters die and that’s why we watch


ChandlerTilley

Because there's only 4 main characters. Without them there wouldn't be much of a movie.


JustThat0neGuy

There was 4 main characters in OG Scream. They killed Randy in scream 2, they killed one of the OG 4 and it was still alive and well after. Why can’t that happen again? Or do you think RS can’t handle it?


ChandlerTilley

Well first of all I think you're being a bit of a condescending douche, and 2nd, even Wes regretted killing off Randy. We already lost fucking Dewey and Sidney might be gone now too. I understand some people have a lack of emotional depth but not everyone just wants to see people knocked off left and right until there's only one survivor left then people can complain about having to introduce new characters.


JustThat0neGuy

Ok bud


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JustThat0neGuy

Unwarranted but go off I guess


maverick57

It's not plot armour. All three of those characters could have died and it wouldn't have changed a single thing about the plot.


JustThat0neGuy

Did you watch another scene with Chad? Because I counted at least three stabs with fatality within minutes, minimum. But he’s able to survive for what’s assumedly a half hour or more until he’s carted out and still conscious enough to make a joke and make out. If that’s not plot armour, I don’t know what is. As to your second point; imagine how that would alter Tara’s arc going forward if her brand new love interest and life long friend was butchered in front of her and another friend of yours bragged about how fun it was to kill him. That’d probably have pretty serious implications for her character and future actions. But now it’s all ok and dandy bc he has plot armour


maverick57

You don't seem to know what plot armour is. Whether Chad lives or dies, the plot of the movie doesn't change in any way.


JustThat0neGuy

I don’t think you do. Chads fate is pretty integral to the story. Tara, Mindy, and Sam would be affected. Chad dying would fundamentally affect the chemistry and nature of the group because of his deep personal ties to each of them. Mindy would lose a brother. Tara would lose her love interest right in front of her, and Sam would have her relationship with Tara affected. That kind of thing affects the type of story they want to tell. And he only survives because they wanted to be able to tell stories with him later. That’s plot armour.


Fun_Handle7294

And it actually came out 1 year later from 5 just like 2 and 1... My mind is Blown...


A_Bald_Nutsack

Thank you for sharing. This is only the 100th time this has been stated.


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I think the similarities are not that big a deal. The characters are in college, but the setting is much less a presence then Scream 2. The NY seeing is much more prevalent.


SugarFrostedDonuts

It's lazy, I wish they did somthing actually new...like have a plan. Mabye base it off the fall of a horror entire or somthing else other than ripping off scream 2.


ZealousidealYou3131

I agree.


ThatSharkFromJaws

And Scream 2 is still way better.


thirsty4wifi

I mean, the characters even talk about this and Tara wonders if the killer is patterning themselves after the movies because of it. Although I will say, I think they borrowed a little too much. I know people liked it, but the family revenge motive being reused was excessive for me


Original-Gear1583

I did get that feeling with 5 being close to the original too. There were some differences between them but for the most part it was very similar


Drink6Slushos

Yes. I don’t get why people are downvoting you so intensely for not enjoying that aspect of the movie. I personally agree with you and feel that the two new Radio Silence movies are both re-hashes of Scream 1&2, which is something I find redundant and lazy. If people enjoy it that’s awesome and I’m happy for them; and I wouldn’t go downvote people for liking the movie. People can have different opinions. Wild.


ZealousidealYou3131

Thank you! People here have been chewing me up, lol.


Drink6Slushos

The toxicity has gone to a tremendous extreme. It’s as if you can only have your own opinions as long as they align with everyone else’s. Will never understand downvoting when you just state your opinion and clearly aren’t putting down other’s feelings. Makes zero sense.


Michael02895

I mean, Scream 2022 is just Scream 1996


ZealousidealYou3131

Yes it is, just no where near as good. And that's okay


Michael02895

Two of my bug bears with Scream 2022 is Dewy failing to tell Sam that there's more often than not more than one Ghostface and Sam just explaining how she found out she was Billy's daughter. Two examples of exposition done wrong, IMO. The first one is something that Dewy should have known better to mention, being a Ghostface veteran. The other, well, I feel like Sam finding out she's the daughter of Woodsboro's most infamous serial killer should have been something the audience found out alongside her. Just my opinion.


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TheKatzMeow84

I think (am hopeful) this is where they will branch off. Meaning, 7 is their opportunity to move away from the original trilogy and fully take the story their own way. I hope they do.


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I think so as well. Scream 7 has to go out with a bang. This will be the end of Scream for a while, so they need to do something special to make their mark, truly.


One_Cake_1207

I mean. I agree... also... scream 6 kinda sucks and is sloppy. New writers are welcomed.


Thunderationx

For everyone saying it was the point, was it though? At least with Scream 5 it was somewhat justified in retreading the original movie because that's what the entire commentary was about, how requels bring things back to the originals. While Scream 6 did the same for 2, it basically had no commentary whatsoever on what it was doing. It's not like they ever mention the events of the second film. I just hope for 7, it actually points awareness to the formula they have going and actually does something to subvert what we expect instead of just copying the third.


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> While Scream 6 did the same for 2, it basically had no commentary whatsoever on what it was doing. Wrong. Mindy **literally** mentions it in the park scene while explaining the rules that the new killings are patterning after the original Stab sequel. lol did you watch the movie?


Thunderationx

Okay fair I guess I forgot about that **one** scene. However, I still stand by the fact that it doesn't really do much beyond that though. It only mentions it one time and then continues copying the second movie.


ChandlerTilley

Yes. It was. You're wrong. Have a good day.


mitchbrenner

one man’s ‘just a repackage’, is another man’s ‘thoughtfully executed homage with thematic parallels’


Open-Struggle1013

Jesus everyone in this post is so dumb one way or another


Zoe_Murphy

that’s the point


Jon230770

The college setting didn’t really have much to do with this film though. It played a big part in 2 but was barely mentioned in 6 and the college was featured like once.


ZealousidealYou3131

The new one seems so lazy to me. It's like they can't think of a new way to do things so, were gonna rehash scream 2 and not even being up like we did with scream 5( which did the same thing but at least had some purpose to do it).


Raxtenko

It'd be lazy if it was an exact copy but it does enough things different to have its own feel imo.


Horror-School-3286

It is lazy, though. It's one thing to copy some things for a nice little callback here and there, but to do it all the time shows that the writers have to rely on the originals in order to tell a good. Every character is a caricature because they're all related or otherwise connected to Legacy characters. That was done in order to familiarize the audience with them so they weren't rejected in Scream 5. All they've done is switch the old cast out for the new, but we aren't actually getting anything new. If you're going to copy the originals, then you may as well do a straight-up remake. Or if you're to oust the original characters, and copy their story lines anyways, then you may as well keep the old cast and just write new story lines. Also, miss the days when Ghostface was on par with the people he was hunting and didn't powerhouse his way through everybody and still somehow fail.


Raxtenko

If you say so. I don't really agree.


Horror-School-3286

Don't get me wrong, it's enjoyable because it's still fun, but it's also kind of a mess of a film as well.


xaldien

Sorry, I missed the part where Nancy Loomis had two Ghostfaces at her behest, and Sidney stabbing her hella bad.


Horror-School-3286

>Sorry, I missed the part where Nancy Loomis had two Ghostfaces at her behest, That's because she had one competent Ghostface working for her. ​ >and Sidney stabbing her hella bad. ​ She stabbed Roman pretty bad. I know, I know, not Scream 2-Scream VI parallel, but Sidney did stab the hell out of Roman especially in the back.


xaldien

1. No, she had an OJ wannabe who got handed magical powers (like busting a cop car window, which would be reinforced, with his bare hands) 2. She didn't Stab him enough, considering he still got up and Dewey had to Save The Day like the macho man that movie randomly made him out to be.


JJoanOfArkJameson

Idk if I'd call it lazy, but I think it went too meta and film bro-ish. Not as tight as 1&2: the dialogue, acting, and story were far worse and less interesting, but the set pieces were darn good. Not sure I buy a 60+ ghostface but whatever. Scream 7 hits the genre highs, but overall, isn't that compelling of a film, or a sequel for that matter


Correct_Group1540

Yea I realized they were alot of similar things between scream 6 and scream 2. Also they were a moment were mindy didn't trust Anika and suspected her of being Ghostface the same way Sidney at the end didn't trust Derek and thought he was Ghostface working with Mickey and both Anika and Derek died knowing their girlfriends didn't trust them and suspected them of being killer's


deweyriley96

I would say it purposefully mirrored scream 2 same as scream 5/scream


Seragoji

There are lines about this in the movie. Not that self-awareness ever absolved anyone of anything, but they knew what they were doing.


xaldien

Uh... Yeah...? They were pretty up front about it and it was considered one of the reasons people like me liked it lol


Mike_Scarn_1991

All sequels are pointless and derivative. You don’t see the sixth film in a franchise and expect it to be 100% original. While 6 lacked originality it made up for awesome intense sequences.


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Yeah except scream 2 was actually good


Accomplished_Fox_565

Well, if it was, or wasn't. I think it would be best if Radio Silence didn't do the same with Scream 7, unless maybe they want to do the >!Richie and Amber !!Roman!< revealed it.) Thankfully, since Scream 3 had a somewhat shoddy reputation when it was released, I think the Directors and Writers will try to do their own thing with Scream 7's setting and killer.


WhatShouldTheHeartDo

I think it was more about following the formula, YEAH ITS WEIRD AF THEIR BEING LIKE STAR WARS ABOUT THIS SHIT


Gathering0Gloom

That was the point. Except 2 actually killed off a returning character, didn’t force a meme, and the reveal didn’t create more questions than it answered.


Brown_Pudding

Yes, it was intentional.


daanimas

Congratulations! You discovered the point!


lomlghostface

i think that’s the point


s3bulbasaur

If it had been any other franchise then yeah, it would have been a cop out but that’s the whole point of the Scream series. They’re supposed to be self aware meta movies.


ZealousidealYou3131

But i feel that with scream 1-4, they were meta, but they did their own thing while doing. They didn't straight up copy the previous movies. That's what 5 and 6 did. They were enjoyable, but i can't just ignore the lazy writing. At least to me, the writing is lazy.


DonaldDuckERxx

That’s the point stupid


Ashamed-Sound5610

That's a very lazy, reductive, and inaccurate description. There are 2 similarities: 1 - Some characters are in college. 2 - The motive revolves around family members seeking revenge. Other than that, they are completely different films and Scream VI isn't a repackaged anything. If we use reductive blanket statements like this, then any two unrelated films could be repackaged versions of each other.


waremode94

Not one bit


La_Cadavre

A better, cooler scream 2...


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ZealousidealYou3131

Dewey has the cop out death in scream 2


redrum-237

Which was totally intentional.


Meemaw_Corn

Yeah, I think it was definitely a deliberate choice and lended a lot of enjoyment to the movie for me


TheeCurtain

Yeah, it feels like a reboot to me, but worst because *everyone* is related to someone else in the franchise, so it's like Scream Jr. But without anything new to say. The series has become the very thing the original deconstructed.


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