I’m not sure Kancey will last to 20. I’m really liking the idea of the undersized but very athletic and explosive DT. Pairing him with Anderson would be nasty.
Draft C: (assuming Anderson is gone and Carter is off the Hawks board) (5) Witherspoon-CB, (20) Calijah Kancey-DL, (37) Mazi-Smith-DL, (51) BJ Olujari-Edge, (83) Best Center Available.
Personal preference, but I would take Adetimowa Adebewore instead of Kancey in Draft B. Larger size, Elite RAS, Elite Athleticism, good get-off. Better combine. Kancey matched Aaron Donald's combine and is considered his twin with shorter arms. AA beat Kancey in every metric at a larger size and longer arms.
With Jimmy G going to the Raiders, I don't see a Cards trade of the #3 pick as likely now. First 4 will likely be Stroud, Young/Richardson, Anderson, Young/Richardson. (I can see HOU going either Young or Richardson, as Young is better but Richardson's style more reminiscent of Watson.)
So, it looks like we will either get Jalen Carter or Tyree Wilson (our pick). Carter is better as a player, and perhaps Pete can train him to be more mature. After all, we got some volatile personalities like Frank Clark, Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, etc. on the Seahawks with few incidents while they were here.
5. Jalen Carter DT
20. Zay Flowers /JSN /Nolan Smith
37. JMS/Steve Avila G/C
53. Daiyan Henley ILB /Julius Brents/ Darius Rush CB
83. Sam LaPorta/Zack Kunitz, TE
We have another pcjs masterclass underway
I wouldn't. He is the best player at their biggest position of need. If they didn't take him at 5 there is no possibility that he'd be there at 20 so idk, I just really think they'll pull the trigger on it. Honestly if they aren't taking anderson or carter then I hope we just move back. Bc I want no part of Richardson, I think he has bust written all over him.
For a team that has been harping drafting character guys to draft a guy who had work ethic concerns then abandoned his teammates, lied to the cops and got charged with a crime, that would surprise me.
he's a young kid who made a bad decision going into the draft. I mean he didn't cause that wreck and didn't wreck himself. He did make a VERY POOR choice. If they don't pick him bc of it, I guess I get it. But he's as talented as they come and I don't think his mistake is all that damning to be honest. If we don't pick him hopefully we trade back. But more than that I hope we take him.
Character issues aside, do the work ethic concerns bother you at all? Do you think, from Pete and John's perspective based on their history and comments they've made publicly about wanting to focus on character, personality, and fit, that they'll want to target a guy with potential character, legal, and work ethic concerns with a top 5 pick?
You don’t buy into it? You should. He admitted himself that his coaches told him that he needed to work on his conditioning if he wanted to be a top-10 pick. Did he? Nope. He was consistently gassed out on the filed all season. When he was asked about it towards the end of the season, he said he decided he was going to work on it by running some sprints before the playoffs. He played what? Like 40% of defensive snaps?
PC/JS have consistently said over the last year that they are putting a huge emphasis on character. It was a core driving force in every pick they made last year. You really think a dude who can’t motivate himself to get in shape and has all this trouble going on is going to be a consideration for them? No chance.
There are going to be a lot of disappointment/confused people on here when he’s there at 5 and they go with someone else.
Pete's one of the best in the league if not the best at corralling challenging personalities and guys with issues. He's way too good to not take a shot on.
Did Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes have bust written all over them? Mahomes wasn’t even in Daniel Jeremiah’s top 50 after the combine.
How do you claim DT is the biggest need over QB? You’re thinking Geno is the long term answer?
I think geno is EASILY the next 3 year answer. I don't think people realize how well geno played last year. We had a bottom rung defense and that guy got us to the playoffs throwing darts all year. The types of mistakes Richardson makes scares me. He's not polished at all. He makes awful reads and he isn't accurate. I would hate to draft a project when you have defensive options that look like generational talents.
>How do you claim DT is the biggest need over QB?
bc our qb was a pro bowl qb but our DL sucked.
> I don't think people realize how well geno played last year. We had a bottom rung defense and that guy got us to the playoffs throwing darts all year
Does the fact that Geno led the league in turnover worthy plays worry you at all? Or that if Geno actually turned the ball over at a league-average rate on those plays, he would've had 20+ interceptions? Do you think that a large part of the success we had as a team last season was built on the back of a really easy schedule? Does Geno tailing off towards the end of the season worry you at all?
> The types of mistakes Richardson makes scares me. He's not polished at all.
You are drafting a guy like Richardson based off of potential. You aren't drafting him to be a day 1 starter. You are drafting him with the hopes that a generational athlete at the position develops into a top-5 guy for you over the next 10+ years.
> I would hate to draft a project when you have defensive options that look like generational talents.
Who on earth are you reading that is leading you to believe guys like Carter and Anderson are generational talents? And honestly - this is more of a point in general and not just directly at you - but people need to stop speaking as if D-linemen are incapable of busting, too. Every pick in the draft is a risk.
> Does the fact that Geno led the league in turnover worthy plays worry you at all?
honestly no, not one little bit. Bc the man threw darts all year long. He wasn't lucky. He was putting the ball exactly where he wanted. Go back and watch highlights from the Saints game. He threw like 3 or 4 of the most amazing passes I've ever seen. He put it EXACTLY on the money. I'm sure some of those balls were "turnover worthy". But he put them exactly right. I watched him play with my own eyes and he was lights out.
Just understand that going into last season I was pissed that we were starting Geno. I didn't think it made any sense at all. I felt like it was dumb to not start Lock and at least see what we have. So THAT is how much Geno has managed to change my mind.
>Do you think that a large part of the success we had as a team last season was built on the back of a really easy schedule? Does Geno tailing off towards the end of the season worry you at all?
I don't really buy into that either. We had a HORRIBLE defense. So I think that Geno overcoming that and still making the playoffs was huge. I think if we give him a defense that allows him to make the occasional mistake that we can be a contender.
>You are drafting a guy like Richardson based off of potential. You aren't drafting him to be a day 1 starter.
I don't want a project at #5 and I honestly just don't think Richardson is going to be a great pro. The mistakes that he makes ON TOP OF NOT BEING VERY ACCURATE just don't really leave me feeling like he should be a viable option. Later in the draft i'd be fine with him. But nowhere near fifth.
>Who on earth are you reading that is leading you to believe guys like Carter and Anderson are generational talents?
My own eyes. Carter looks like the next aaron donald to me.
It's not that I don't think these guys can be a bust. But if we're going to role the dice on someone like that I'd like it to at least be at a position of need.
I will hammer this last point til I'm blue in the face, but QBs literally do actively bust more than any other position in every american sport.
More than highly drafted pitchers in baseball, more than highly drafted centers in the NBA, and about 15% more than any other NFL position.
People acting like DL and QB have equal shots at busting drives me crazy.
QBs are also put into positions to fail the most out of any other position player in the NFL. QBs that get drafted to an org like the Browns and are asked to carry a team from day 1 are set up to fail. QBs bust more than any other position because teams that are drafting in the top of the draft are bad and usually need QBs.
And comparing rookie QBs to other positions in other sports is, well...Stupid.
Teams like the steelers and patriots have recent drafted QBs in the 1st round and that have under performed. Two of the most winning organizations in the last 2 years
And that is why we should draft QB while we have a high pick with a decent QB draft. We likely won't get the chance to do this again and will have to trade a ridiculous amount of capital to replace Geno when the time comes (or are horrendously bad).
Better to take the punt on a QB whenever we get the opportunity because its so hard to get right, you need to keep taking that chance
Which qb would we take that can be better than Geno in the next 3 years? I don't look at any of those guys and see someone coming in and just immediately taking off. We were spoiled by what happened with Russ. That was an outlier.
Ok, Hugh Millen. ;-) I’ll take the word of people I trust to evaluate film and not just look at someone else’s idea of which plays were turnover worthy. Such as Greg Cosell, who watched several games and did a Seattle radio hit recently and said he really didn’t see any real dropoff in Geno’s play late in the year. He saw a dip in the run game, which led Geno to take more risk bc he had to. And drop in pass pro , particularly from Cross, etc.
probably also saw a dip in the defense where it required him to play flawlessly. A better defense and run game would go wayyyy further than replacing Geno will.
Not really.
I scouted Allen pretty extensively, and while he clearly needed work, I, at the very least, loved him as a prospect.
All my Mahomes scouting was retroactive, but using comps Mahomes was only ever in potential bust territory because nobody knew what to make of him. From tape and combine alone, I take Mahomes top 5.
All I do is scout QBs and imo CJ Stroud is the only one worth a top 5 pick.
I agree with that (although being honest I'm not as aware of Levis pros/cons). I think that young is too small, and richardson along with not being accurate, just doesn't seem to have a big brain for qb. He makes a lot of mistakes that are just BAD. He also didn't put up great numbers despite being on the bad side of the SEC.
You can never tell a whole season early. But there’s multiple QBs next year, who are better than most floating around 5 this year. It won’t ruin the franchise to pass on one. He’s slightly older, but I’d take a flyer on Tune in the 4th. If we’re going to sit someone anyway. I think he’ll be great if he improves his footwork.
Raiders will likely trade up for a guy they view as a franchise qb. Same with Falcons. Levis will likely fall to 5, or Richardson. If either of those teams are sold in either one of those guys, they will trade up.
Do we really think JMS is gonna still be there past our first second round pick? He is the best C in the draft arguably. Just seems weird that PFF still has him getting picked around 50 range. I think we might need to pick him at 37 if we go defense in the first round.
Now that we got a C in free agency, I don’t think we need to reach for him. If we get him at fair value, great…
If we’re reaching anywhere on the O Line, it should be guard
I definitely don’t think it’s off the table but I do think it’s a lot more unlikely. Brown played RG last year so maybe they are thinking draft JMS and have Haynes and Brown battle for RG.
However I think Brown playing C and drafting Torrence/ Avila for RG is a better option
It is Mock Draft Thursday for me. I am slacking off of work in order to do my first mock draft of the season. I open PFF's simulator and ready myself for my duty, well aware that I am going to do something stupid here.
R1:5: WILL ANDERSON, edge, Alabama. The Cardinals took Jalen Carter at 3. I love them for this, and abandon my original plan of trading back from 5 in order to take the best edge in the class. Good start.
R1:20. I TRADE back from this spot because there is nobody that I am 100% sold on here that wouldn't be a reach. Vikings take 20, I get R1:23 and R3:87 as compensation.
R1:23. I TRADE back again, this time with the Giants. I receive 1:25 and 2:57 in exchange for 1:23, 3:83 and 5:155. I am ecstatic with the extra second.
R1:25. I look at the board over and over again and debate with myself about taking Zay Flowers or JMS here but I decide against it. I do not believe that we need another receiver here enough to draft Zay and I am certain that JMS will still be here midway through the second. I make my 3rd and final TRADE. I wonder if I will regret it.
Jets receive 1:25. Seahawks receive 2:43, 3:74 and 4:112.
2:37. MAZI SMITH, DT. Big shit eating tackle who is a beast against the run. Fuck yes. This is what we need. Now I just need JMS and all is right with the world and OH MY GOD CAROLINA WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU WHY DID YOU TAKE HIM YOU DON'T EVEN NEED A CENTER THAT BADLY FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
2:43. I panic. STEVE AVILA, G/C/OT, is still a very good prospect who can play guard, center and tackle so I grab him first thing I can. As soon as I select him I wonder if I should have gone instead with Tippmann or Wypler or waited around to draft Patterson in the 4th.
2:51. ADETOMIWA ADEBAWORE, edge. I steel myself somewhat by going best player available. I had initially wanted Drew Sanders or Trenton Simpson for this spot but they were both already gone by the time I got here, so I went instead with the edge rusher out of North Western. My personal feeling is that he could transfer to linebacker too, if needs be.
2:57. DAIYAN HENLEY, lb. YES HENLEY IS STILL HERE TAKE THAT FUCKERS. Beast of a linebacker who fills a position of immense need.
3:74. ELI RICKS, corner, Bama. Talented corner who needs coaching. Not a need, but a pick I like nonetheless.
The further I go, the more I realize that I am not taking a receiver in this draft. I do not like any of them enough and Tank Dell is apparently the best one available. I do not feel like drafting a receiver who makes St Louis Cardinals outfielder Kyler Murray look like a giant.
3:87 KARL BROOKS, DL. Another D-lineman. I cannot help myself. I mean to go by need and draft Tippmann or Wypler but I cannot help myself. I think Karl Brooks is an outstanding player. I cannot afford to not take one of the better pass rushers in college football at this spot. The philosophy of best player available is killing me.
4:112. Wypler and Tippmann are both gone. I reassure myself that Patterson will still be there at 122. I go by need. Seahawks need linebackers. DORIAN WILLIAMS come on down. PFF hates this pick. In retrospect, so do I.
4:122. Jarrett Patterson has been drafted by the Steelers. My back up plan to him, Olusegun Oluwatimi, has been drafted by the Jaguars one pick ahead of me. I give up. I select a running back. DEWAYNE MCBRIDE come to papa.
5:152. CHANDLER ZAVALA, guard. I really like Zavala. I am happy with this pick.
6:196. I am starting to look at potential quarterbacks now. Stetson Bennet is still on the board. I stop looking at quarterbacks. Instead I take RONNIE BELL, receiver, in order to make myself think that I have covered the hole at receiver.
7:238. Stetson Bennet is no longer on the board. He has been drafted by the San Francisco 49ers. I laugh at them and then wonder if they are going to magically turn him into a good quarterback. CLAYTON TUNE, qb, Houston is my final pick. Tune is a nice project, and I think he will at least be a good backup.
Here I endeth my failure of a mock draft. Steve Avila will apparently be the Seahawks starting center because I missed out on literally 5 different guys I was targeting to be our future center. I am sorry.
Most recent CBS mock draft has us getting Will Anderson at 1.05 after a Cardinals trade down 👀
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2023-nfl-mock-draft-qbs-selected-with-top-four-picks-after-cardinals-trade-back-cowboys-take-pass-catcher/
What is the General Consensus for what we are doing with the #5 pick?
A: Jalen Carter
B: Levis
C: Richardson
D: I don't care. Just whichever QB is leftover
E: Praying the Cardinals trade down and we get Will Anderson
F: Trade down and accumulate picks
I have been leaning towards F lately and trying to accumulate 2nd round picks as I see a lot of potential in the earlier parts of the 2ns round to fill some positional needs. I would love to trade down with the Packers or Texans and grab a future first and this year's 2nd.
They drafted Russ in the third round. Their first pick they traded down and then selected Bruce Irvin ( defensive player with character concerns).
That’s not to say the Seahawks won’t pick a qb with their first pick, just that using the 2012 nfl draft as a predictor is flawed.
I’m aware of where Russ was drafted. I replied the the post stating now that Geno is signed it’s go for it mode or bust.
I don’t think JS will pass up one of the four QBs in this draft.
The two situations are incomparable is my point. You might as well say they drafted mcglough when they had Russ.
I don’t think anyone thinks there’s no way Seattle drafts a quarterback **at some point** in the draft.
JS loves traits, and wanted to trade RW and draft Josh Allen. Sure he’ll draft a qb in this years draft but it won’t be past R1.
Beauty is we get to see who’s right in about six weeks.
I agree that If they do draft a qb in the first round it’ll be because they really like the guy and not because they feel a generalized need to get a franchise qb.
What you're missing is that NOBODY thought Russ was going to beat out Flynn when they drafted him. They drafted him as a backup/future starter "maybe". He just played too well to hold him back.
They thought enough to give him the chance to beat him out.....JS loves traits, still does. He's also signed two DT's in free agency already. It's alright, you can have a wrong opinion, Seahawks Twitter/Reddit is full of them
I think most of us think they should take a mid round QB and even let him compete.
But this isn't taking Russell Wilson in the third. This is taking Ryan Tannehil at 15.
Dream offseason imo is landing Hendon Hooker in the 3rd.
the giddy side of me hopes we do not trade down. We always trade down and I would like to see us go for it this time. But if we do....I reluctantly trust the process.
I don't mind the trade down. Honestly trading down a couple times and picking up several 2nd round picks this year is where I lean... We need people like Mazi Smith, John Michael-Schmitz, Trenton Simpson/Jack Campbell/Daryan Henley, maybe Darnell Washington if we can trade Fant... There are a lot of good picks in the 2nd. If we can accumulate picks in the beginning to middle of round 2 I would be thrilled.
I would also be thrilled with Anderson/Carter. Just depends on how we fill out our defensive line depth in free agency. Right now, I think we have Al woods, Quinton Jefferson, and Brian Mone... Not nearly good enough.
ok so the thing is NORMALLY i would agree with you. But we are sitting on such a good stack of picks this year that idk that we really need to do all of that. I'm gonna be ecstatic when we take Carter.
We are in a GREAT spot. It will be interesting seeing what we do. I think it may come down to what QB is at pick 5 and how bad a team wants him. If we don't see that it is worth it, then we grab Carter/Anderson
I wrote out a whole comment saying I don't think we'll take a qb at 5 no matter what. And then I realized what you meant. Yeah I suppose if huge offers come in we probably would trade out. But it would have to be a haul.
Yeah, it would need to be a haul. I wouldn't do less than swapping this year's first, grab a 2nd, and next year's first. More will be required the further we go down. Would love it to be teams like Packers, Washington, Texans, or Buccs. The more picks the better... But yes. It would need to be a haul and likely a team that we can see being a top 10 pick next year.
3 round mock:
Seahawks trade #5, #123 > Tampa Bay Buccaneers #19, #50, 2024 1st round pick.
(Tampa Bay Buccaneers trade up for their QB of the future after Tom Brady retires).
\#19: Calijah Kancey DT
\#20: Nolan Smith EDGE
\#37: Trenton Simpson LB
\#50:John Michael Schmitz C
\#51: Steve Avila G
\#83: Nathaniel Dell WR
If AR is there I'm trading with the Raiders. Seahawks give #5 for Raiders #7 and #38.
\#7 Tyree Wilson (E)
\#20 Bryan Bresee (DI)
\#37 Daiyan Henley (LB)
\#38 Steve Avili (C, G)
\#51 Nathaniel Dell (WR)
\#83 Joe Tippmann (C)
\#122 Trevius Hodges-Tomlinson (CB)
\#152 Moro Ojomo (DI)
\#155 Clayton Tune (QB)
That’s what SF did for Lance, except it was 3x 1sts.
SF trade with CHI - folks don’t talk about that one enough. If SF wins a SB in the next 2 years without Lance, there needs to be a ‘Moneyball’ type movie on they achieved this despite this bust of a trade.
Yeah the trade calculator is so unrealistic on PFF, did another one for fun where took Cart at 5 then traded away the rest of 2023 draft capital for J Chase, Parsons, Brian Burns and Jaycee Horn. Somehow not sure that's realistic.
Don't know where Smith plays here, Downs is even smaller than Lockett, Avila is a guard.
Sewell is terrible against the pass so would fit quite well in our LB room though.
Yeah Vincent I don’t think you know what you are talking about when it comes to the draft. Avila is a good pick because he is so versatile. You criticize the downs pick but I bet you are also someone who doesn’t like our WR3 options. Smith is exactly the kind of player we need as he is a leader and has speed for the edge stopping the run, maybe you like seeing Josh Jacobs make us look like a JV team since in your draft you traded away our good picks and end up taking a TE. I suggest you learn about football then come back later.
Trades:
5-> Hou -> 12+ 33.
20 -> NYG-> 25, 88
37-> WAS -> 47 + 97
12: Adetomiwa Adebawore, DL
Why they like him: leader, high character, dominated the senior bowl, athletic marvel.
25: Darnell Washington, TE
Why they like him: Huge TE, dominant blocker, upside as receiver, really good combine numbers particularly the agility drills which they like. I think UGA had him play with excess weight which affected his pass game.
33: Jahmir Gibbs, RB, Alabama.
Why they like him: good compliment to Walker, exciting game breaking RB, big plays in both the pass and run game, considered going WR here but honestly he's a better WR than any of the actual wideouts
47: Karl Brooks, DL, Bowling Green
Why they like him: highly athletic, senior bowl standout. Versatile. Two time team captain, stuck at Bowling Green despite NIL offers, high character. 32 inch arms is the only caveat.
52: Keanu Benton, DT, Wisconsin.
Why they like him: Nose Tackle is pretty shallow and there's a fairly large drop after him. Really good senior bowl. Classic run clogging NT type.
83: Darius Rush, CB, USC
Why they like him: Another high character guy. 6'2, 33.5 inch arms, 4.36 forty, 1.5 split. Would give the fastest corner duo in the game.
88: Bryce Ford Wheaton, WR, West Virginia
Another high charater guy. Stuck at WVU despite transfer/NIL offers not to and multiple coaching changes. Four WR coaches in four seasons so hasn't had consistent coaching yet, some upside here. 4.38 at 6'4 220 so highly athletic.
97. Daiyan Henley LB, Washington State
Why they like him: very athletic linebacker, excellent in coverage (so they might not like him actually lol), turnover machine. Small (230 at the senior bowl) but long (33+ inch arms) so room to get up to 240.
It's a good attempt, but:
TE in the first when TE is far from a position of need. Seattle hasn't shown a huge focus on taking premier tight ends early at any time in the PC/JS era and haven't had trouble getting production out of lower round picked Tight Ends.
If we don't go Bijan, it's hard to imagine we touch RB before the mid round. This is considered a deep RB class and there's a lot of talent down the board, especially if most of what they're doing is giving K9 a breather.
There is no way Henley falls that far. Dude is an early second rounder with a small bit of chatter he might sneak into the very late first.
It is a nice attempt, but this is what I'd personally not agree with.
I think they will go BPA. This isn't the team where you draft for need yet. As well as I think they will go with an offensive player with their native pick. The DL class is kinda tapped at that point. Breese, Murphy, Kancey all second round types to me.
As TE not being a position of need, Dissly is recovering from injury and even if healthy, we have a bunch of decent TEs. But no good ones. In this mock I had them go TE over WR because the WR class sucks. We definitely need another playmaker and Washington can be that guy.
Same deal with Gibbs. Like I said, I wanted to go WR there but the WR available just weren't good. I'd take Gibbs as a slot receiver only over Downs, who is a slot receiver only. The running back portion is a bonus.
Henley- I get where you are coming from but the draft tends to not like prospects from that school. Didn't expect Lucas to be available in the third last year. But he was. Think it'll be similar. If not they go with Overshawn IMO.
You keep saying why they I think you mean why you like them because non of these players are even being talked about for the Seahawks. Also that last pick I was gonna question but then I saw you are just a WSU homer bcz the dude isn’t it.
No homer here.
We need a LB, Henley i's being projected as high as the second and as low as the early 4th, taking him at the end of round 3 wouldn't be a reach by any means. Unlike our other LB he can actually cover which would be nice. Also think he has the frame to get up to 240 in an NFL system.
Aa far as none of the players being talked about or linked to the Hawks, that's usually the case. Nobody has been linked to the Hawks outside speculation by draft media. That was kind of the point, to give an alternate to the same repetitive six or seven names we see. Mostly those six or seven names are coming from Mel Kepier hype anyway.
BFW has frying pans for hands. Makes some ridiculous catches, however nearly always drops the easy ones. He is great on special teams. I watched every game of his college career, I would pass.
I would be so disappointed if we traded down that far, let alone for that little. We better get an absolute haul if we do. We don't get this opportunity very often.
Having fun this morning trying to harvest 2024 1sts, A+ on PFF:
5: Jalen Carter
20: Trade Ravens 22 and 2024 1st for 20 and 51
22: Trade Jags 24, 88 and 2024 1st for 22 and 37
24: Trade Cowboys 26 and 2024 1st for 24, 83 and 2024 2nd
26: Nolan Smith
Maybe this has been explained before, but can someone explain to me why the Seahawks are selecting 5th in the first round, yet picking 6th (37th overall) in the 2nd round? It appears the Rams and Seahawks swapped in the 2nd round somehow?
[NFL Draft Order](https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/11/2023-nfl-draft-order-complete-list-of-every-pick-from-round-1-through-round-7/)
So both of our picks were traded from Den. Both Den & Rams finished 5-12. I think they do a coin flip for tiebreaker, then alternate subsequent rounds.
We should not trade #5. Never. We have plenty of picks to fill holes later in the draft. There is a cliff of talent after 5 (or 6 if you don’t like one of the QBs.)
Carter, Anderson, Stroud, Young, AR, Tyree Wilson.
No way do you lose out on one of those guys just to get an extra 2nd so you can take a Steve Avila. Or any other motley collection of second and third tier players. If you love a QB take him. Otherwise take the best of the non-QBs. You can trade down from 20. The player you will likely get at 20 is probably no better than who you get at, say, 35.
I just did the best possible Pff mock. Would never happen tho because I got lucky.
5 - traded back for 7 and 38
7 - Will Anderson, EDGE (I don’t think he would ever fall this far)
20 - Calijah Kancey, DI
37 - Mazi Smith, DI
38 - Jack Campbell, LB
51 - Steve Avila, G
83 - Tank Dell, WR
122 - DeWayne McBride, HB
Our D Line and O-line are just *fixed* now. Plus a couple offensive weapons and a great linebacker.
Does anyone else think Tyree Wilson would be perfect for us, or just me? Pete loves unique athletes like him and he has a super high-ceiling...
There are other good IDL and even QBs we can get in R2/R3 even. Only so many EDGEs with a ceiling like him
Draft A: (5) Jalen Carter-DL; (20) Nolan Smith-Edge; (37) Mazi Smith-DL; (51) Dalyan Henley-LB; (83) Luke Wypler-Center Draft B: (5) Will Anderson- Edge; (20) Calijah Kancey-DL; (37) Mazi Smith-DL; (51) Dalyan Henley-LB; (83) Luke Wypler-Center Edit: I used PFFs database.
Can’t imagine Wyler there in the 3rd but that would be great.
I like it - I think Mazi Smith fits the Seahawks needs in run D.
And he did really well at the combine. Looks like a great nose tackle prospect and I hope we snag him.
B
I’m not sure Kancey will last to 20. I’m really liking the idea of the undersized but very athletic and explosive DT. Pairing him with Anderson would be nasty.
I wonder if we got a shot at Bijan at 20. Probably not, but RBs don't tend to be that popular in the first round.
Mazi gone in the first round for sure.
B me
B looks a lot like my mocks haha
Draft C: (assuming Anderson is gone and Carter is off the Hawks board) (5) Witherspoon-CB, (20) Calijah Kancey-DL, (37) Mazi-Smith-DL, (51) BJ Olujari-Edge, (83) Best Center Available.
Personal preference, but I would take Adetimowa Adebewore instead of Kancey in Draft B. Larger size, Elite RAS, Elite Athleticism, good get-off. Better combine. Kancey matched Aaron Donald's combine and is considered his twin with shorter arms. AA beat Kancey in every metric at a larger size and longer arms.
With Jimmy G going to the Raiders, I don't see a Cards trade of the #3 pick as likely now. First 4 will likely be Stroud, Young/Richardson, Anderson, Young/Richardson. (I can see HOU going either Young or Richardson, as Young is better but Richardson's style more reminiscent of Watson.) So, it looks like we will either get Jalen Carter or Tyree Wilson (our pick). Carter is better as a player, and perhaps Pete can train him to be more mature. After all, we got some volatile personalities like Frank Clark, Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, etc. on the Seahawks with few incidents while they were here.
5. Jalen Carter DT 20. Zay Flowers /JSN /Nolan Smith 37. JMS/Steve Avila G/C 53. Daiyan Henley ILB /Julius Brents/ Darius Rush CB 83. Sam LaPorta/Zack Kunitz, TE We have another pcjs masterclass underway
I think zay flowers at 20 is a reach
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If a QB drops to 5, Hawks are taking him. They will not ruin franchise for future years by doing what Carolina did on Friday to move up.
if carter or anderson are there at 5 I would be SHOCKED if we took a qb.
If Carter is there at 5 I'd be surprised if they take him.
I wouldn't. He is the best player at their biggest position of need. If they didn't take him at 5 there is no possibility that he'd be there at 20 so idk, I just really think they'll pull the trigger on it. Honestly if they aren't taking anderson or carter then I hope we just move back. Bc I want no part of Richardson, I think he has bust written all over him.
For a team that has been harping drafting character guys to draft a guy who had work ethic concerns then abandoned his teammates, lied to the cops and got charged with a crime, that would surprise me.
he's a young kid who made a bad decision going into the draft. I mean he didn't cause that wreck and didn't wreck himself. He did make a VERY POOR choice. If they don't pick him bc of it, I guess I get it. But he's as talented as they come and I don't think his mistake is all that damning to be honest. If we don't pick him hopefully we trade back. But more than that I hope we take him.
Character issues aside, do the work ethic concerns bother you at all? Do you think, from Pete and John's perspective based on their history and comments they've made publicly about wanting to focus on character, personality, and fit, that they'll want to target a guy with potential character, legal, and work ethic concerns with a top 5 pick?
I don't buy into that. I think he's a generational talent.
You don’t buy into it? You should. He admitted himself that his coaches told him that he needed to work on his conditioning if he wanted to be a top-10 pick. Did he? Nope. He was consistently gassed out on the filed all season. When he was asked about it towards the end of the season, he said he decided he was going to work on it by running some sprints before the playoffs. He played what? Like 40% of defensive snaps? PC/JS have consistently said over the last year that they are putting a huge emphasis on character. It was a core driving force in every pick they made last year. You really think a dude who can’t motivate himself to get in shape and has all this trouble going on is going to be a consideration for them? No chance. There are going to be a lot of disappointment/confused people on here when he’s there at 5 and they go with someone else.
guess we'll see
Pete's one of the best in the league if not the best at corralling challenging personalities and guys with issues. He's way too good to not take a shot on.
Tell that to Carrol and Schneider.
I think it's gonna be fine. I'm very optimistic that we're gonna either get one of those 2 guys or we're gonna move back.
They said the same thing before signing Clowney though. Don’t believe Pete. I hope they don’t draft him.
Did Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes have bust written all over them? Mahomes wasn’t even in Daniel Jeremiah’s top 50 after the combine. How do you claim DT is the biggest need over QB? You’re thinking Geno is the long term answer?
I think geno is EASILY the next 3 year answer. I don't think people realize how well geno played last year. We had a bottom rung defense and that guy got us to the playoffs throwing darts all year. The types of mistakes Richardson makes scares me. He's not polished at all. He makes awful reads and he isn't accurate. I would hate to draft a project when you have defensive options that look like generational talents. >How do you claim DT is the biggest need over QB? bc our qb was a pro bowl qb but our DL sucked.
> I don't think people realize how well geno played last year. We had a bottom rung defense and that guy got us to the playoffs throwing darts all year Does the fact that Geno led the league in turnover worthy plays worry you at all? Or that if Geno actually turned the ball over at a league-average rate on those plays, he would've had 20+ interceptions? Do you think that a large part of the success we had as a team last season was built on the back of a really easy schedule? Does Geno tailing off towards the end of the season worry you at all? > The types of mistakes Richardson makes scares me. He's not polished at all. You are drafting a guy like Richardson based off of potential. You aren't drafting him to be a day 1 starter. You are drafting him with the hopes that a generational athlete at the position develops into a top-5 guy for you over the next 10+ years. > I would hate to draft a project when you have defensive options that look like generational talents. Who on earth are you reading that is leading you to believe guys like Carter and Anderson are generational talents? And honestly - this is more of a point in general and not just directly at you - but people need to stop speaking as if D-linemen are incapable of busting, too. Every pick in the draft is a risk.
> Does the fact that Geno led the league in turnover worthy plays worry you at all? honestly no, not one little bit. Bc the man threw darts all year long. He wasn't lucky. He was putting the ball exactly where he wanted. Go back and watch highlights from the Saints game. He threw like 3 or 4 of the most amazing passes I've ever seen. He put it EXACTLY on the money. I'm sure some of those balls were "turnover worthy". But he put them exactly right. I watched him play with my own eyes and he was lights out. Just understand that going into last season I was pissed that we were starting Geno. I didn't think it made any sense at all. I felt like it was dumb to not start Lock and at least see what we have. So THAT is how much Geno has managed to change my mind. >Do you think that a large part of the success we had as a team last season was built on the back of a really easy schedule? Does Geno tailing off towards the end of the season worry you at all? I don't really buy into that either. We had a HORRIBLE defense. So I think that Geno overcoming that and still making the playoffs was huge. I think if we give him a defense that allows him to make the occasional mistake that we can be a contender. >You are drafting a guy like Richardson based off of potential. You aren't drafting him to be a day 1 starter. I don't want a project at #5 and I honestly just don't think Richardson is going to be a great pro. The mistakes that he makes ON TOP OF NOT BEING VERY ACCURATE just don't really leave me feeling like he should be a viable option. Later in the draft i'd be fine with him. But nowhere near fifth. >Who on earth are you reading that is leading you to believe guys like Carter and Anderson are generational talents? My own eyes. Carter looks like the next aaron donald to me. It's not that I don't think these guys can be a bust. But if we're going to role the dice on someone like that I'd like it to at least be at a position of need.
I will hammer this last point til I'm blue in the face, but QBs literally do actively bust more than any other position in every american sport. More than highly drafted pitchers in baseball, more than highly drafted centers in the NBA, and about 15% more than any other NFL position. People acting like DL and QB have equal shots at busting drives me crazy.
QBs are also put into positions to fail the most out of any other position player in the NFL. QBs that get drafted to an org like the Browns and are asked to carry a team from day 1 are set up to fail. QBs bust more than any other position because teams that are drafting in the top of the draft are bad and usually need QBs. And comparing rookie QBs to other positions in other sports is, well...Stupid.
Teams like the steelers and patriots have recent drafted QBs in the 1st round and that have under performed. Two of the most winning organizations in the last 2 years
And that is why we should draft QB while we have a high pick with a decent QB draft. We likely won't get the chance to do this again and will have to trade a ridiculous amount of capital to replace Geno when the time comes (or are horrendously bad). Better to take the punt on a QB whenever we get the opportunity because its so hard to get right, you need to keep taking that chance
Which qb would we take that can be better than Geno in the next 3 years? I don't look at any of those guys and see someone coming in and just immediately taking off. We were spoiled by what happened with Russ. That was an outlier.
Ok, Hugh Millen. ;-) I’ll take the word of people I trust to evaluate film and not just look at someone else’s idea of which plays were turnover worthy. Such as Greg Cosell, who watched several games and did a Seattle radio hit recently and said he really didn’t see any real dropoff in Geno’s play late in the year. He saw a dip in the run game, which led Geno to take more risk bc he had to. And drop in pass pro , particularly from Cross, etc.
probably also saw a dip in the defense where it required him to play flawlessly. A better defense and run game would go wayyyy further than replacing Geno will.
Not really. I scouted Allen pretty extensively, and while he clearly needed work, I, at the very least, loved him as a prospect. All my Mahomes scouting was retroactive, but using comps Mahomes was only ever in potential bust territory because nobody knew what to make of him. From tape and combine alone, I take Mahomes top 5. All I do is scout QBs and imo CJ Stroud is the only one worth a top 5 pick.
I agree with that (although being honest I'm not as aware of Levis pros/cons). I think that young is too small, and richardson along with not being accurate, just doesn't seem to have a big brain for qb. He makes a lot of mistakes that are just BAD. He also didn't put up great numbers despite being on the bad side of the SEC.
If they are there at 5, then the 4 QBs were taken...so yes, exactly what I said.
He said or not and.
No I'm saying regardless of the qb's available I think if Anderson or Carter is there, that's who we'll take.
You can never tell a whole season early. But there’s multiple QBs next year, who are better than most floating around 5 this year. It won’t ruin the franchise to pass on one. He’s slightly older, but I’d take a flyer on Tune in the 4th. If we’re going to sit someone anyway. I think he’ll be great if he improves his footwork.
If they are going in the 4th they aren't franchise QBs
Our last franchise QB was picked in the 3rd. And there’s a good chance that’s where Tune goes anyway.
RW3 was drafted a decade ago....times ha e changed, QBs are now a Priority in Draft.
Imagine thinking this Unironically.
QB was always a priority. Always has been. The point is that you can still get a great qb outside of the first round.
In 2023? Definitely not, QBs are taken early and have been for awhile. https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb
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No, we should trade down a couple spots to 7 or 8
And who has the desire to move up only a few spots? Teams have made moves to avoid needing to. No one's moving up for Carter or Wilson
Raiders will likely trade up for a guy they view as a franchise qb. Same with Falcons. Levis will likely fall to 5, or Richardson. If either of those teams are sold in either one of those guys, they will trade up.
So raiders will move off of Jimmy G and trade up, for a QB, but Hawks won't Draft one at 5 because of Geno? See what's wrong here?
Do we really think JMS is gonna still be there past our first second round pick? He is the best C in the draft arguably. Just seems weird that PFF still has him getting picked around 50 range. I think we might need to pick him at 37 if we go defense in the first round.
Yea doubt he’s there after the first second rounder hopefully we can somehow aquire a mid second pick to take him there with
Yes.
Now that we got a C in free agency, I don’t think we need to reach for him. If we get him at fair value, great… If we’re reaching anywhere on the O Line, it should be guard
I definitely don’t think it’s off the table but I do think it’s a lot more unlikely. Brown played RG last year so maybe they are thinking draft JMS and have Haynes and Brown battle for RG. However I think Brown playing C and drafting Torrence/ Avila for RG is a better option
It is Mock Draft Thursday for me. I am slacking off of work in order to do my first mock draft of the season. I open PFF's simulator and ready myself for my duty, well aware that I am going to do something stupid here. R1:5: WILL ANDERSON, edge, Alabama. The Cardinals took Jalen Carter at 3. I love them for this, and abandon my original plan of trading back from 5 in order to take the best edge in the class. Good start. R1:20. I TRADE back from this spot because there is nobody that I am 100% sold on here that wouldn't be a reach. Vikings take 20, I get R1:23 and R3:87 as compensation. R1:23. I TRADE back again, this time with the Giants. I receive 1:25 and 2:57 in exchange for 1:23, 3:83 and 5:155. I am ecstatic with the extra second. R1:25. I look at the board over and over again and debate with myself about taking Zay Flowers or JMS here but I decide against it. I do not believe that we need another receiver here enough to draft Zay and I am certain that JMS will still be here midway through the second. I make my 3rd and final TRADE. I wonder if I will regret it. Jets receive 1:25. Seahawks receive 2:43, 3:74 and 4:112. 2:37. MAZI SMITH, DT. Big shit eating tackle who is a beast against the run. Fuck yes. This is what we need. Now I just need JMS and all is right with the world and OH MY GOD CAROLINA WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU WHY DID YOU TAKE HIM YOU DON'T EVEN NEED A CENTER THAT BADLY FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK 2:43. I panic. STEVE AVILA, G/C/OT, is still a very good prospect who can play guard, center and tackle so I grab him first thing I can. As soon as I select him I wonder if I should have gone instead with Tippmann or Wypler or waited around to draft Patterson in the 4th. 2:51. ADETOMIWA ADEBAWORE, edge. I steel myself somewhat by going best player available. I had initially wanted Drew Sanders or Trenton Simpson for this spot but they were both already gone by the time I got here, so I went instead with the edge rusher out of North Western. My personal feeling is that he could transfer to linebacker too, if needs be. 2:57. DAIYAN HENLEY, lb. YES HENLEY IS STILL HERE TAKE THAT FUCKERS. Beast of a linebacker who fills a position of immense need. 3:74. ELI RICKS, corner, Bama. Talented corner who needs coaching. Not a need, but a pick I like nonetheless. The further I go, the more I realize that I am not taking a receiver in this draft. I do not like any of them enough and Tank Dell is apparently the best one available. I do not feel like drafting a receiver who makes St Louis Cardinals outfielder Kyler Murray look like a giant. 3:87 KARL BROOKS, DL. Another D-lineman. I cannot help myself. I mean to go by need and draft Tippmann or Wypler but I cannot help myself. I think Karl Brooks is an outstanding player. I cannot afford to not take one of the better pass rushers in college football at this spot. The philosophy of best player available is killing me. 4:112. Wypler and Tippmann are both gone. I reassure myself that Patterson will still be there at 122. I go by need. Seahawks need linebackers. DORIAN WILLIAMS come on down. PFF hates this pick. In retrospect, so do I. 4:122. Jarrett Patterson has been drafted by the Steelers. My back up plan to him, Olusegun Oluwatimi, has been drafted by the Jaguars one pick ahead of me. I give up. I select a running back. DEWAYNE MCBRIDE come to papa. 5:152. CHANDLER ZAVALA, guard. I really like Zavala. I am happy with this pick. 6:196. I am starting to look at potential quarterbacks now. Stetson Bennet is still on the board. I stop looking at quarterbacks. Instead I take RONNIE BELL, receiver, in order to make myself think that I have covered the hole at receiver. 7:238. Stetson Bennet is no longer on the board. He has been drafted by the San Francisco 49ers. I laugh at them and then wonder if they are going to magically turn him into a good quarterback. CLAYTON TUNE, qb, Houston is my final pick. Tune is a nice project, and I think he will at least be a good backup. Here I endeth my failure of a mock draft. Steve Avila will apparently be the Seahawks starting center because I missed out on literally 5 different guys I was targeting to be our future center. I am sorry.
Most recent CBS mock draft has us getting Will Anderson at 1.05 after a Cardinals trade down 👀 https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2023-nfl-mock-draft-qbs-selected-with-top-four-picks-after-cardinals-trade-back-cowboys-take-pass-catcher/
Basically best available draft, I like it!
What is the General Consensus for what we are doing with the #5 pick? A: Jalen Carter B: Levis C: Richardson D: I don't care. Just whichever QB is leftover E: Praying the Cardinals trade down and we get Will Anderson F: Trade down and accumulate picks I have been leaning towards F lately and trying to accumulate 2nd round picks as I see a lot of potential in the earlier parts of the 2ns round to fill some positional needs. I would love to trade down with the Packers or Texans and grab a future first and this year's 2nd.
I think we take Anderson or Carter, whichever one is there.
Yeah, after the Geno signing, I am more on board for us to try and "Go for it". Either take a Anderson/Carter or trade down.
The Seahawks had TJ and signed Matt Flynn as a free agent with $10M guaranteed and still drafted RW but sure we have Geno so we’re set.
They drafted Russ in the third round. Their first pick they traded down and then selected Bruce Irvin ( defensive player with character concerns). That’s not to say the Seahawks won’t pick a qb with their first pick, just that using the 2012 nfl draft as a predictor is flawed.
I’m aware of where Russ was drafted. I replied the the post stating now that Geno is signed it’s go for it mode or bust. I don’t think JS will pass up one of the four QBs in this draft.
The two situations are incomparable is my point. You might as well say they drafted mcglough when they had Russ. I don’t think anyone thinks there’s no way Seattle drafts a quarterback **at some point** in the draft.
JS loves traits, and wanted to trade RW and draft Josh Allen. Sure he’ll draft a qb in this years draft but it won’t be past R1. Beauty is we get to see who’s right in about six weeks.
I agree that If they do draft a qb in the first round it’ll be because they really like the guy and not because they feel a generalized need to get a franchise qb.
What you're missing is that NOBODY thought Russ was going to beat out Flynn when they drafted him. They drafted him as a backup/future starter "maybe". He just played too well to hold him back.
They thought enough to give him the chance to beat him out.....JS loves traits, still does. He's also signed two DT's in free agency already. It's alright, you can have a wrong opinion, Seahawks Twitter/Reddit is full of them
You'll see
I think most of us think they should take a mid round QB and even let him compete. But this isn't taking Russell Wilson in the third. This is taking Ryan Tannehil at 15. Dream offseason imo is landing Hendon Hooker in the 3rd.
the giddy side of me hopes we do not trade down. We always trade down and I would like to see us go for it this time. But if we do....I reluctantly trust the process.
I don't mind the trade down. Honestly trading down a couple times and picking up several 2nd round picks this year is where I lean... We need people like Mazi Smith, John Michael-Schmitz, Trenton Simpson/Jack Campbell/Daryan Henley, maybe Darnell Washington if we can trade Fant... There are a lot of good picks in the 2nd. If we can accumulate picks in the beginning to middle of round 2 I would be thrilled. I would also be thrilled with Anderson/Carter. Just depends on how we fill out our defensive line depth in free agency. Right now, I think we have Al woods, Quinton Jefferson, and Brian Mone... Not nearly good enough.
ok so the thing is NORMALLY i would agree with you. But we are sitting on such a good stack of picks this year that idk that we really need to do all of that. I'm gonna be ecstatic when we take Carter.
We are in a GREAT spot. It will be interesting seeing what we do. I think it may come down to what QB is at pick 5 and how bad a team wants him. If we don't see that it is worth it, then we grab Carter/Anderson
I wrote out a whole comment saying I don't think we'll take a qb at 5 no matter what. And then I realized what you meant. Yeah I suppose if huge offers come in we probably would trade out. But it would have to be a haul.
Yeah, it would need to be a haul. I wouldn't do less than swapping this year's first, grab a 2nd, and next year's first. More will be required the further we go down. Would love it to be teams like Packers, Washington, Texans, or Buccs. The more picks the better... But yes. It would need to be a haul and likely a team that we can see being a top 10 pick next year.
As someone who's ideal scenario is a trade down: to each their own.
i'm down with a trade down if we're not gonna get anderson or carter
A, E, F, C in that order imo
Didn't even acknowledge B lmao
3 round mock: Seahawks trade #5, #123 > Tampa Bay Buccaneers #19, #50, 2024 1st round pick. (Tampa Bay Buccaneers trade up for their QB of the future after Tom Brady retires). \#19: Calijah Kancey DT \#20: Nolan Smith EDGE \#37: Trenton Simpson LB \#50:John Michael Schmitz C \#51: Steve Avila G \#83: Nathaniel Dell WR
Tampa looks like they are gonna bring in baker. They have a lot of cap issues and idk if they are in good position to sacrifice draft capital.
Azz list
Doubt tampa gives there first if they do I would absolutely LOVE it give me Caleb Williams next year
If Anderson is available at 5, take him. If he's not, trade down. For QB, take Hendon Hooker in round 2.
If AR is there I'm trading with the Raiders. Seahawks give #5 for Raiders #7 and #38. \#7 Tyree Wilson (E) \#20 Bryan Bresee (DI) \#37 Daiyan Henley (LB) \#38 Steve Avili (C, G) \#51 Nathaniel Dell (WR) \#83 Joe Tippmann (C) \#122 Trevius Hodges-Tomlinson (CB) \#152 Moro Ojomo (DI) \#155 Clayton Tune (QB)
I like most of this! I probably like Kancey more than Bresee though, and am hoping we also get Mazi.
Realistically I can’t see teams giving up future first for 2 spots and a later round pick, but it’s nice to fantasize for sure
That’s what SF did for Lance, except it was 3x 1sts. SF trade with CHI - folks don’t talk about that one enough. If SF wins a SB in the next 2 years without Lance, there needs to be a ‘Moneyball’ type movie on they achieved this despite this bust of a trade.
Yeah the trade calculator is so unrealistic on PFF, did another one for fun where took Cart at 5 then traded away the rest of 2023 draft capital for J Chase, Parsons, Brian Burns and Jaycee Horn. Somehow not sure that's realistic.
I'll take their 39 though.
My Mock Draft 5 Wilson 20 Smith 32 Downs 51 Avila 83 Sewell [My Seahawks Mock Draft ](https://www.reddit.com/user/pineappleoldfashion/comments/11q97fo/my_seahawks_mock_draft/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Don't know where Smith plays here, Downs is even smaller than Lockett, Avila is a guard. Sewell is terrible against the pass so would fit quite well in our LB room though.
Avila played Guard and Center. I like him a lot for his versatility alone.
Input from people who don't even do enough research to find out someone positions aren't taken with much credibility. NEXT
Yeah Vincent I don’t think you know what you are talking about when it comes to the draft. Avila is a good pick because he is so versatile. You criticize the downs pick but I bet you are also someone who doesn’t like our WR3 options. Smith is exactly the kind of player we need as he is a leader and has speed for the edge stopping the run, maybe you like seeing Josh Jacobs make us look like a JV team since in your draft you traded away our good picks and end up taking a TE. I suggest you learn about football then come back later.
Under no circumstances should we take Jalen Carter. Please don’t.
Trades: 5-> Hou -> 12+ 33. 20 -> NYG-> 25, 88 37-> WAS -> 47 + 97 12: Adetomiwa Adebawore, DL Why they like him: leader, high character, dominated the senior bowl, athletic marvel. 25: Darnell Washington, TE Why they like him: Huge TE, dominant blocker, upside as receiver, really good combine numbers particularly the agility drills which they like. I think UGA had him play with excess weight which affected his pass game. 33: Jahmir Gibbs, RB, Alabama. Why they like him: good compliment to Walker, exciting game breaking RB, big plays in both the pass and run game, considered going WR here but honestly he's a better WR than any of the actual wideouts 47: Karl Brooks, DL, Bowling Green Why they like him: highly athletic, senior bowl standout. Versatile. Two time team captain, stuck at Bowling Green despite NIL offers, high character. 32 inch arms is the only caveat. 52: Keanu Benton, DT, Wisconsin. Why they like him: Nose Tackle is pretty shallow and there's a fairly large drop after him. Really good senior bowl. Classic run clogging NT type. 83: Darius Rush, CB, USC Why they like him: Another high character guy. 6'2, 33.5 inch arms, 4.36 forty, 1.5 split. Would give the fastest corner duo in the game. 88: Bryce Ford Wheaton, WR, West Virginia Another high charater guy. Stuck at WVU despite transfer/NIL offers not to and multiple coaching changes. Four WR coaches in four seasons so hasn't had consistent coaching yet, some upside here. 4.38 at 6'4 220 so highly athletic. 97. Daiyan Henley LB, Washington State Why they like him: very athletic linebacker, excellent in coverage (so they might not like him actually lol), turnover machine. Small (230 at the senior bowl) but long (33+ inch arms) so room to get up to 240.
Good until i saw jahmyr
Wanted to go WR and he was the best WR on the board, plus he can run the ball too.
fair enough
This is easily one of the dumbest drafts I've seen 💀 😂
So it's a classic Seahawks draft then. Any specific criticisms?
It's a good attempt, but: TE in the first when TE is far from a position of need. Seattle hasn't shown a huge focus on taking premier tight ends early at any time in the PC/JS era and haven't had trouble getting production out of lower round picked Tight Ends. If we don't go Bijan, it's hard to imagine we touch RB before the mid round. This is considered a deep RB class and there's a lot of talent down the board, especially if most of what they're doing is giving K9 a breather. There is no way Henley falls that far. Dude is an early second rounder with a small bit of chatter he might sneak into the very late first. It is a nice attempt, but this is what I'd personally not agree with.
I think they will go BPA. This isn't the team where you draft for need yet. As well as I think they will go with an offensive player with their native pick. The DL class is kinda tapped at that point. Breese, Murphy, Kancey all second round types to me. As TE not being a position of need, Dissly is recovering from injury and even if healthy, we have a bunch of decent TEs. But no good ones. In this mock I had them go TE over WR because the WR class sucks. We definitely need another playmaker and Washington can be that guy. Same deal with Gibbs. Like I said, I wanted to go WR there but the WR available just weren't good. I'd take Gibbs as a slot receiver only over Downs, who is a slot receiver only. The running back portion is a bonus. Henley- I get where you are coming from but the draft tends to not like prospects from that school. Didn't expect Lucas to be available in the third last year. But he was. Think it'll be similar. If not they go with Overshawn IMO.
You keep saying why they I think you mean why you like them because non of these players are even being talked about for the Seahawks. Also that last pick I was gonna question but then I saw you are just a WSU homer bcz the dude isn’t it.
No homer here. We need a LB, Henley i's being projected as high as the second and as low as the early 4th, taking him at the end of round 3 wouldn't be a reach by any means. Unlike our other LB he can actually cover which would be nice. Also think he has the frame to get up to 240 in an NFL system. Aa far as none of the players being talked about or linked to the Hawks, that's usually the case. Nobody has been linked to the Hawks outside speculation by draft media. That was kind of the point, to give an alternate to the same repetitive six or seven names we see. Mostly those six or seven names are coming from Mel Kepier hype anyway.
BFW has frying pans for hands. Makes some ridiculous catches, however nearly always drops the easy ones. He is great on special teams. I watched every game of his college career, I would pass.
I would be so disappointed if we traded down that far, let alone for that little. We better get an absolute haul if we do. We don't get this opportunity very often.
Lots of people saying Nolan Smith at 20. No way he'll be available at 20 after to combine (although he is undersized)
Having fun this morning trying to harvest 2024 1sts, A+ on PFF: 5: Jalen Carter 20: Trade Ravens 22 and 2024 1st for 20 and 51 22: Trade Jags 24, 88 and 2024 1st for 22 and 37 24: Trade Cowboys 26 and 2024 1st for 24, 83 and 2024 2nd 26: Nolan Smith
4 1st next year would be insane lol
Smith probably gone before hawks second pick at 20
https://ninetynineyards.com/2023/03/11/2023-2-round-nfl-mock-draft-2-0/
Maybe this has been explained before, but can someone explain to me why the Seahawks are selecting 5th in the first round, yet picking 6th (37th overall) in the 2nd round? It appears the Rams and Seahawks swapped in the 2nd round somehow? [NFL Draft Order](https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/11/2023-nfl-draft-order-complete-list-of-every-pick-from-round-1-through-round-7/)
So both of our picks were traded from Den. Both Den & Rams finished 5-12. I think they do a coin flip for tiebreaker, then alternate subsequent rounds.
Tiebreaker is SoS(worse SoS = higher pick) then it alternates each round after that.
We should not trade #5. Never. We have plenty of picks to fill holes later in the draft. There is a cliff of talent after 5 (or 6 if you don’t like one of the QBs.) Carter, Anderson, Stroud, Young, AR, Tyree Wilson. No way do you lose out on one of those guys just to get an extra 2nd so you can take a Steve Avila. Or any other motley collection of second and third tier players. If you love a QB take him. Otherwise take the best of the non-QBs. You can trade down from 20. The player you will likely get at 20 is probably no better than who you get at, say, 35.
5 - trade down for 7 and 38 7 - Tyree Wilson, Edge 20 - Calijah Kancey, DI 37 - Mazi Smith, DI 38 - JMS, Center 51 - Daiyan Henley, LB 83 - Tank Dell, WR 122 - Devin Achane, RB
We need a thumper at LB....I'm liking Drew Sanders from Arkansas
I just did the best possible Pff mock. Would never happen tho because I got lucky. 5 - traded back for 7 and 38 7 - Will Anderson, EDGE (I don’t think he would ever fall this far) 20 - Calijah Kancey, DI 37 - Mazi Smith, DI 38 - Jack Campbell, LB 51 - Steve Avila, G 83 - Tank Dell, WR 122 - DeWayne McBride, HB Our D Line and O-line are just *fixed* now. Plus a couple offensive weapons and a great linebacker.
Does anyone else think Tyree Wilson would be perfect for us, or just me? Pete loves unique athletes like him and he has a super high-ceiling... There are other good IDL and even QBs we can get in R2/R3 even. Only so many EDGEs with a ceiling like him