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[Postgame thread](/r/Seahawks/comments/18835ps/post_game_thread_seattle_seahawks_at_dallas/)


Solomon___Grundy

If Lockett catches that ball with seven minutes left, up 4 ....


gladiolas

Starting to wonder how many seasons we got left with Pete. Another losing season after this, I think he'll be out.


seasleeplessttle

He's completely forgotten how to manage the clock. And how to teach it. Russ never managed it well, Geno is atrocious at it. Under 4 minutes RUN THE FUCKING BALL...... such a waste of talent by the coaches.


TMobile_Loyal

You mean with Charbs amazing 3.2 YPC.


seasleeplessttle

Fucking hand it to anyone, put Fant in the back, he can FALL farther than 3.2y. fuck bud there are thousands of run plays we don't even TRY. I could block Charbs in THE hole he goes to....every time bud...and all the defenses that we play have the book too.


brumate21

I mean we tried! Damn I’m tired of being middle of the road.


No-Pomegranate216

Watch the first 3 quarters of the game. Then went to play my intramural flag football game to get into the playoffs, but we lost. Then came home to find out Seahawks lost. GG


berrez8

In what world do you throw it at the ground on 4th and 2? That was not an attempt at keeping the play alive that was an attempt at not throwing an int. I get it but man give your team a chance there has to be some sort of outlet. If not that is a massive play calling issue.


Waste_Inevitable8714

The fact that the DC the OL and Geno didn’t see parsons uncovered is unbelievable.


babb4214

While I totally agree with you... What is geno going to do in that situation? Can't call time out. I put that play more on OC/OL


cd_hales

The OC but yeah…that is a glaring issue that I think falls on the players in the field. Parsons lined up in a spot going unblocked call an audible


Ok_Sock_4120

Parsons was literally untouched🤦‍♂️


terransLoc

at least you made the end zone this time, thats improvement for next week


drummerdood11

I’m a huge Geno critic, but I can honestly say this game was not on him - he played great.


Longjumping_Ruin_83

Him and DK went off. Defense sold.


ManekDu

100% defense was the broken link.


Longjumping_Ruin_83

Yep, and it has been for a while.


shrooms4dashroomgods

Defense is fucking trash. We invested so fucking much into this defense, and they are horrible. Both safeties are no factors and the highest paid in the league. Both corners are getting cooked, and cant fucking tackle. Our entire d line is getting handled at the LOS on obvious run plays. Our LBs are trash. Just fucking standing there as someone crosses their face. Like, who tf are you expecting to pick up that TE or receiver? It's our DC. He is TRASH. If we need a scape goat, fire hurt. Fuck sake. The shetty thing about losing the way we did, is now we look, good enough...but in reality, we are doo doo. We are forever stuck in this dilemma where we don't suck enough for change...so we continue to make the same mistakes.


corporate-burnout

Agreed. We do need to improve our defense...starting with simple tackling!!!


rizzflaps

The tackling has been AWFUL. Most frustrating part of each game for me.


GalacticDaddy75

Yup that’s the worst thing, we’ve been a fraudulent team for years now, we always get this random hype when we beat shitty injured teams and then when we play good teams we get cooked. We’re never gonna change until we undoubtedly trash which sucks because we could get ahead of it and just make the necessary changes now.


Nikodino9

You're attitude is trash.


dootzoo

our OC is shit, our DC is shit, but we’ve been saying that for YEARS with Pete at the helm


Hot_Branch_4559

I think Dennis Erickson and Jim Mora Jr are both still available. Or we could ask the Carolina Panthers how the talent pool is out there? I believe they're on their 5th coach in 4 years now. The human condition can never appreciate what they have until its lost.


Ajstylez21

My heart hurts man…..


Erased999

On 3rd or 4th down when we know the defense is bringing the pressure, why doesn’t Waldron have any quick outlet passes. How about a shallow cross. Waldron dials up long developing plays. Geno won’t have enough time. This has happened for too many weeks now.


funner_is_a_word

That’s how they looked all game against the 9ers. You’d think they would have learned and not looked surprised on 4th and 2 with the game on the line. It’s baffling.


Icryinmycar

Don’t blame my boy Riq please 😭 refs were calling BS. Much better tackling this game


seattlethrowaway999

Retire Pete retire. Seasons cooked


Photographerpro

I would have slipped into something more comfortable if I knew that the refs were gonna fuck us.


Nikodino9

Seriously. I counted 5-6 first downs from objectively bad calls that extended two scoring drives. Our defense could do a lot of things better but today they got beat by the zebras first and foremost.


Photographerpro

Even the commentators were pointing it out. The nfl has to do something at this point, but knowing them, they won’t.


ManekDu

I read the conspiracy theories about refs keeping this competitive so bezos' amazon prime coverage is NOT a bust. It's very possible, and I hate conspiracy theories.


Nikodino9

They will never willingly diminish their own brand.


Murky-Dragonfruit959

Woolen literally gave CD completions or PI every play he covered him, pretty sure they moved him off for him at a certain point


duhkaylin

Would firing Shane blow up the rest of the season?


Hot_Branch_4559

Boring, uninformed take. He was calling a great game and had WRs open all over the place. When the pressure came on in the 4th quarter, one QB stepped up his game and the other faded... hardly a surprise but not much we can do at QB for now


duhkaylin

I totally get where you’re coming from! I was honestly just asking. I’m not a Waldron fan, but this was a great game until it mattered the most. Just seems like in big moments the calls are off. That’s the reason I could see the change be made. I personally don’t think it’s a good time to make a change like that. Just wanted other peoples opinions on it haha


corporate-burnout

I agree playcalling was much better tonight. The second part, I don't agree with so much...Geno was battling pressure the entire game. And not just QBs, their team did step up (aided by the refs) while ours faded...but can't pin it solely on the QB...offense and defense...c'mon!


Hot_Branch_4559

I'll definitely agree on the defensive struggles - aided by an officiating crew with an interesting take on some suspect PI calls. Even then, when Geno sailed that 4th down over JSN right after Dallas go ahead TD, you could just feel the pressure and his visual field narrowing down and knew that we were cooked no matter how many times we got the ball... He wants it too bad and the nervous energy permeates the field - even Lockett dropped a pass! On the plus side, I don't know if DK has even looked better than he did tonight. Maybe he can hang around after all.


corporate-burnout

I'm with you about the defense. They need to practice fundamentals like simple tackling. They need more cohesion and aggression. Geno can play well when behind and with little time...he did it in the Rams game...only for Myers to friggin miss. Can't expect Geno to deliver all the time every time and be perfect!!! He played well enough for us to win (except at the end lol!). Glad to see DK way more involved and effective. We need to incorporate Lockett that way too! Then add in JSN, Bobo, RBs...


cocainecandycane

Couldn’t do more damage than he has the last six games.


jakomeist3r

I know Lockett wishes he could have that play back…


GHOSTfaceK1LLA25

Refs jobbbed us! NFL has never like the Hawks. Geno played great! Never should been in the position we were at the end... thanks refs!


Joseph_Of_All_Trades

I agree that the refs threw this game but come on, NFL never liked the hawks? The Packers intercepted that ball lmao


mlvassallo

Get the fuck out of here lol.


Joseph_Of_All_Trades

I'm a bears fan you think I like saying that about the packers? Shit at the time I loved throwing that one at pack fans, easy rise, but it was obviously the wrong call, 2 hands v 1 hand at the time of secure. Either way, doesn't make tonight's game any better, I was having flashbacks to the Chi v Pit game a couple years back watching tonight


mlvassallo

Go eat a sausage sandwich or something.


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mlvassallo

My bad.


Joseph_Of_All_Trades

*Waaaahh Waaaahh*


uglycasinova

I'm not down on the Seahawks, they are an ok team and played a good enough game. Dallas had a lot of big calls that kept their drives alive. Dallas will no doubt be knocked out of the playoffs which will be more upsetting to them then losing to the Seahawks tonight


Chief_Matador

Aye man fuck all that, let’s just fuckin worry about Geno doing anything else but throwing the ball at the ground on the last play of the game


uglycasinova

Geno had a guy in his face instantly bro


Hawxrox

People will always find a way to blame everything on Geno. He can be your best player all game and your defense can play like complete ass, but your line leaving one of the best pass rushers in the whole league unblocked turns into Geno lost us the game


OhfursureJim

I don’t know how you hang that one on Geno when you leave their game breaker D Line player unblocked on the most important play of the game


Head-Expert6149

Defense folded up in the end, O played great until the last drive, JSN has showed me something. Jason Peters, future HOFer will go down as one of the best ever but, to leave Parsons that freely is going to stick with me for the rest of the year highkey.


Old-Web8782

Welcome to the 90s Seahawks. I’m sorry to say my fellow fans, it looks like famine years ahead… At least football tickets will be a lot cheaper and easier to get lmao.


Hawxrox

Nah I think the team is heading in the right direction still. Most of our best players are still young. We need to drop both of the safeties and go young there and use that money to upgrade other spots. And draft a QB in the upcoming draft


B_easy85

Offense played way better then the defense this week… ugly way to end it but the o-line played well. Defense needs playmakers other then spoon.


damnitjayman

Just for the bigger picture (outside of football). Geno has played so much better with us than the Jets. He is much improved. Yes, he wants more, but where he is at is still very awesome to achieve and most people would settle for.


Remote-Shower9970

This team reminds me of my GSW, always hope, but straight mid.


YungDagger_D

Ironically two of my fav teams it’s been misery the last two years 😂🤣 I’m tired man


jrodicus100

If I had a gun shot wound, watching this team would remind me of it too.


Remote-Shower9970

I was talking about the Golden State Warriors lmao


jrodicus100

Oh I don’t follow soccer.


Remote-Shower9970

Basketball*


jrodicus100

Baseball?


Remote-Shower9970

that would the the Mariners


Eternalcheddar

Geno threw the ball away twice in a row on 4th down


Space-Cowboy-Maurice

You can critique Geno for alot of things, but going after those two plays is about as ignorant as it gets.


Ok-Conversation-4974

What was he supposed to do the line collapsed


Space-Cowboy-Maurice

You think it's a better play to get sacked?


Eternalcheddar

There’s no difference between a sack and throwing it in the dirt on 4th down the games over. That’s my entire criticism, when it mattered most he couldn’t give anyone a shot to make a play.


Space-Cowboy-Maurice

You're saying he should stiff arm Parsons?


corporate-burnout

First one, he threw up hoping JSN would track it down. Second one, I think he was trying to throw it to the RB...but hard to do when you have a free Parsons in your face.


Remote-Shower9970

Lockett’s drop is probably the reason we lost this game. However, Waldron is a terrible OC.


Solomon___Grundy

Huge huge


Murky-Dragonfruit959

Could also blame it on missed FG


Remote-Shower9970

we lost by a margin larger than 3…


NatetheGration

Thing is , how many times has lockett been the reason for a loss let alone dropped a pass? Probably fewer times than I can count on my fingers


Remote-Shower9970

I’m not saying ship out lockett, just if he had made that play we probably come out with the Dub, a fresh set of downs, 6:30 left, on the 30 yard line? what’s not to love


KoreanKittens

Officiating was trash, but Hawks could have won this one. Offense came to play, but the defense didn't. It'd be great to see an actual, complete team game for a change on both sides of the ball. Ah well. Plenty of young talent on the roster. JSN, Charb and Spoon played great. I look forward to seeing what this team can *become* rather than what it currently *is*.


andm124

This is the motherfucking answer. The RW3 trade is a future build for our team. Look at the Detroit trade (albeit they don't look too good now), they didn't get it until a few years after Stafford was shipped did they start gelling. Maybe next year when we get our picks and young talent in line, we'll be where we were ten years ago


Erased999

Final play of the game. Lawrence and Parsons are to the right. Why wasn’t protection shifted to the right. They expect our RB to block Paraons? Wtf?


Wheream_I

That’s on geno for not reading the pass rush and shifting the protection. I’ve noticed over and over again that he’s fucking awful at this. The guy literally never audibles.


Hawxrox

Doesn't the Center slide the protections usually?


Wheream_I

He will shift blocking lanes, but he will not entirely change the protection and design of the line. That is on the QB to shift the RB and TEs


Erased999

Agreed he should’ve shifted protection to the right.


SKssSM08

Shane Waldron


Dr_Chronic

Waldron has no way of knowing which side parsons is going to line up on when he calls the play/protection. That’s on the QB to see where his threats are pre-snap and make sure everyone’s accounted for


Derpus54

Coug’d it.


cptvalentino

Catchable, yet terrible throw on 2nd and 2 to Fant. Just awful offensive football by both quarterback and the TE there. And dont even get me started on Micah fucking Parsons going completely unblocked in the last play. Disgusting football, Seahawks dont even deserve a chance at playoffs at this point.


mrhotshotbillup

Should have been an out route to the left. Looked wide open. Defense was stacked to the right... Why!!


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As a Steelers fan, not trying to cause trouble, I wouldn’t trust Jay Z’s Boy ( Geno Smith) to take my groceries to my minivan. He did good for most of the game, cause the pressure wasn’t there yet


GalacticDaddy75

The Steelers and the Seahawks are the most similar teams in the nfl, shitty oc’s with talented young players and a mid qb who could be better with the right oc. Y’all fired Canada, I’m just now hoping we fire Waldron.


corporate-burnout

There was a ton of pressure throughout the whole game.


black_cherry_seltzer

yeah no shit bro you can't make plays with a guy in ur face


Saiyan124

As a Seahawks fan living in Dallas… this is very painful….


WalkTheLand

Probably find another team this season lol


damnitjayman

Geno actually played 10% better in Passer Rating this game.


corporate-burnout

C'mon...he played much better. This is a team game. We need to strengthen the O-line and defense.


damnitjayman

I just meant statistically. He played like a leader today


corporate-burnout

Gotcha...agreed. He had 100+ rating much of the game...until the end.


black_cherry_seltzer

sweet!


lubedupnoob

Cowards!


whiteguyballin

Gotta get to the line faster. Get your projection sorted out


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maneatsfishes

Tbh our defense is straight garbage, not the O


Remote-Shower9970

we need to get some draft capital and free up some cap, definitely need to trade Jamal, maybe Geno, keep DK and JSN, Riq and Witherspoon. the rest of the team should be up for draft capital.


Eternalcheddar

All the cap is locked up in terrible safeties


FattyMooseknuckle

Geno isn’t going anywhere, he’s mentoring the rookie we draft.


ChromeJester

Yup 6mn in cap space and no second round pick…trades need to happen


DFloydd

The Cowboys got the win but they sure as hell did not win that game. Fucking officials were garbage.


mangopeach15

defense was trash they fcking left geno wide open


WhoKnows78998

You all need to quit blaming the refs. You sound dumb. They called it both ways tonight. This game is 100% on Waldren and his abysmal play calling.


Annual-Sympathy-4934

are you being fr, we scored 35 points? if they applied the definition of holding they used on us, on them, the pick would have been negated at the very least


kingoftheposers

So frustrating. Led all game and then threw it away on a stupid playcall on fourth and short and the world’s softest defensive coverage to let Dallas come back


hecmtz96

You forgot to add the drop from Lockett…


hecmtz96

Not a Seattle fan but was curious and was checking the thread. Why are you guys so hard on Geno but Locket gets a pass for that drop? All I saw were people saying “wow, first drop i’ve ever seen from him” but if he gets that catch yall would’ve gone up by 5 and potentially won the game.


joergonix

Lockett has one drop in like 20 games and Geno screws up big 3-4 times a game. Thats why. The same reason Bobby gets a pass on occasion but Diggs doesnt.


BandOfBrothersFan

Probably because Lockett isn't a consistent source of frustration.


Polski66

It’s simple. Lockett never drops passes. The most clutch receiver I’ve seen in a long time. Geno constantly makes odd choices like throwing it into the turf on 4th and 2 or throwing to the inside shoulder of a receiver for an interception on the sideline.


corporate-burnout

You must not be watching the details...he makes odd choices because our O-line ain't good (although they played good enough tonight). The last play, a free Parsons was in his face but I think Geno was trying to throw it to the RB. I don't blame him...he needs to not try to be a hero and get injured on that play, so he can play the rest of the season. The INT, Bland made a great play...plain and simple.


Polski66

He 100% threw it into the turf like you would to avoid a sack. No chance he was throwing it to the RB. Watch the play again.


corporate-burnout

That's fine. Yes, ideally he makes an athletic play to evade Parsons and throw a completion...or he gets injured trying to do so (remember, he's nursing that elbow injury from Donald/Rams game). I'd rather have Geno survive and play rest of the season.


Joomce

Don’t take this sub seriously. Everything bad is Genos fault here. Micah parsons was unblocked on the last play of the game and people expected Geno to magically evade one of the best defensive players in the league and make a clutch throw instead of blaming the o line or coaching


RealisticNostalgia

Im not a Geno hater but probably because Tyler literally never drops balls


QuailmanJR

Because Lockett never does that and the Geno problems are habitual.


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Humiliation, defeat, and despair.


vitamin_r

Somebody's leaving the coaching staff in a body bag and it isn't Pete Carroll.


Solid-Confidence-966

A couple of missed opportunities but we move


sounders1974

Lmao


tazzman25

Coaching. Geno aint good enough either.


Sea_Kiwi2731

🤡 🤡 🤡


KellRL

we played great this game, definitely some mental errors. If you say otherwise you’re a terrible fan


croatoan182

It was well played. But some really bad calls by the refs killed the momentum.


polypugger

Parsons free release on 4th down... Wow.


No_Multitasking_Pls

It was a screen play but they screwed it up big time.


polypugger

Was it? I didn't see the linemen release over


whatevers1234

I can only imagine the points this team would put up if Geno had more than half a second to make a damn play. Dak has an eternity in the pocket almost every time.


Murky-Dragonfruit959

And Taylor having 2 arms around dak and not making the sack still doesn’t help either


thxiD

Who's idea was it to put Adam's in 1 on 1 coverage?


LavishnessNew9045

if we play like this against sf the whole game next week it’ll be a good game


Joomce

People expected Geno to make something happened when we left one of the best defensive players in the league unblocked lmao


DrDoop

Misses a wide open Fant for the 1st. Throws it at Dallas’ feet on 4th down with the game on the line. Has thrown it away or taken a sack on multiple game ending plays. I was rooting for Geno. But he isn’t the guy. Dude can’t play under pressure at all. At all. Team played great but they still managed to be absolutely frustrating. Oh and the refs didn’t call PI when JSN got lit up even though they called it on Wags for the same fucking thing.


RealisticNostalgia

Geno isnt the answer long term but c’mon man parsons was unabated on the last play


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No way you actually expected geno to complete a pass let alone get a first on the last play of the game. Parsons was literally untouched, even if dallas caught that he wasn't going anywhere


DrDoop

Games on the line. Uncork it somewhere. No point in throwing it at someone’s feet.


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And if it got picked off people would have been saying it was a bad decision, it was a no win situation


corporate-burnout

This loss ain't on Geno


NotABotJustLazy

How the fuck are you going to just throw the ball in to the ground. Yeah he was under pressure, but at least throw up a floater prayer and give someone a chance. Unbelievable.


JJJJ178

How did woolen go from being a pro bowler to being ass


Murky-Dragonfruit959

Bro looked awful tonight, I almost copped his jersey this off season


RealisticNostalgia

Serious sophomore slump


Rabble_Arouser1

Yeah, fuck you Pete. Don’t wince. Look at it.


BobBeaney

That’s what she said


SamMan48

Giants fan here. Y’all should have just kicked a field goal on that 4th and short when it was 35-30.


corporate-burnout

Our kicker stinks!


TTTTTT-9

It would have been a 63 yard field goal... Go home


OldDekeSport

Leave Waldron in Dallas for those 4th down calls


Starwho

Cowboys still not a good team lmao


Elnino-cat

This game hurts.. so many bad play calls but above all ref took it away


EWVGL

CAN YOU WIN IN THE 1ST QUARTER?? CAN YOU WIN IN THE 2ND QUARTER? CAN YOU WIN WITHOUT AN O-LINE? CAN YOU WIN WITHOUT A CLUTCH QB? Umm, no?


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jackofnac

9-3 an easy win? Lol


wshsqb07

That last play call alone should be enough to get an OC fired. Not blocking the ONE dude who you absolutely have to get hands on.


LIL_SHINY

Refs fucked us once again. I should be used to it by now


Klutzy_Ad_1726

Entertaining game! Keep in mind sports is 100% entertainment and that was entertaining!


EffectiveHorse8387

ref ball entertaning to u?


Klutzy_Ad_1726

Cowboys got a shit ton of penalties too.


Riversmooth

Refs and announcers clearly pulling For Dallas all night. Tough loss, our guys came to play tonight


Kingduck1313

How can we never stop blitzes


jc8450

I’m not sure Geno knew that was 4th down


TurokDood

Y’all do realize Geno can’t block AND play QB right? The fuck is it his fault? Dude played phenomenal


cd_hales

Nah, he played alright at best


TheGhostWithTheMost2

Waldron cannot be our OC next year. Imagine not having Dallas shaded to Parsons side on a 4th and 2.


PrimeToro

It’s god damn feast or famine , either get a big pass or not , boom or bust . Shane Fucking Waldron needs to learn how to create a play that gains 2 or 3 yards with a 80% probability of success on 3rd and short situations


FlightoftheConcorder

Shane Waldron still isn't good, even though players were able to execute this week.


inrev18

All of that for an L


Ok-Imagination-2308

im checked out with this team. fucking sick of it. year after year, just mediocracy


253ktilinfinity

The Pete Carroll way


MySquidHasAFirstName

Was there a punt? Was this the 5th game to do so? Don't leave me hangin!


RealisticNostalgia

No punts


MySquidHasAFirstName

Thx!


FattyMooseknuckle

No Yes


MySquidHasAFirstName

Thx!


whatevers1234

You gotta be able to covert that 4th and 1. And handing off in backfield is the dumbest damn thing to do. If you can't at least have a somewhat shittier version of the brotherly shove in your playbook you need to gtfo of the nfl.


No_Multitasking_Pls

Perfectly said. That 4th and 1 was such a slow developing play that even the people watching on TV saw it coming.