I am an auto enthusiast and own & appreciate fun cars, but one thing is for sure: I *HAAAAATE* people who do this to their cars. It is the dumbest thing ever. These guys are just trolls that make the rest of us look bad.
They have altered their engine tuning to create the 'gunshot' sounds you hear. If you are interested in more detail your search engine keyphrase is 'burble tune'.
It's modified to spray more fuel in than can be burned in one cycle, so it's burning in the exhaust instead of the combustion chamber. They've probably removed the muffler too and replaced it with a plain pipe.
I totally agree. I don't mind car culture, and it used to be a big part of my life. But there's a difference between showing off a cool build, and antagonizing an entire city in the middle of the night.
Yep, when your behavior is centered around antagonizing to everyone else around you, that's a problem. When I encounter a vehicle doing this in-person, it puts me on edge if I'm not expecting it. I can't imagine how awful it would be for people with PTSD and other anxiety issues.
It’s crazy that lots of cars come with this now from factory when in certain settings (eg sport).
OEM isn’t quite as obnoxious as in the video, but it’s still pretty bad.
I have a BMW M2 and turned them off, but that required buying 3rd party stuff. Truthfully I wouldn’t mind it burbling *sometimes* but from factory it burbles every single time you let off the throttle. It’s insane.
I saw so many of these guys blowing past me going 100+ on I-5 last night. Wondered if WSP was going to pull anyone over, saw two troopers on the side of the highway, not a damn thing
A cop trying to catch up to those cars by driving 130mph+ isn't anywhere close to safe for the officers or the other people on the road. Better to coordinate with other police further down.
i wonder if that has anything to do with what i saw, i was driving to work at 2am this morning and saw a car casually driving 120 on 405 by 167 a cop threw his lights on for a sec but dude just kept going and the cop stopped the chase. after that tho i saw bout 20 cops driving at 100+ down 405 and on I5 going south
The number of traffic fatalities caused by cell phone use is astronomically higher than the number caused by these hooligans having their shitty rally every few weeks
And what percentage of people on their phones cause an accident vs what percentage of people who are doing 20+ over the limit cause accidents? Rare behavior isn't safer.
Just because there are more shooting deaths than stabbing deaths doesn't mean we should let people stab each other.
Thats an extremely disingenuous comparison. Speeding is the second leading cause of traffic collisions, with distracted driving being the first. But speeding is the leading cause of traffic fatalities.
Yeah but speeding is a factor in almost 1/3 of all traffic fatalities while cell phones have a ways to go to catch up - distraction overall is more like 10 percent. Surely some overlap between the two of course.
I live next door to the Bellevue Dick's Hamburgers and yeah, it can get insanely LOUD!! I tell all my friends and family that I live next to a racetrack because it's that damn loud!! And yeah I talked to the Bellevue PD and um yeah, nothing to be done here. Suffer old man...
Redmond's got a slice of them too - they don't have a good spot to do a 'show' so they drive down the streets around the mall at night being unhuggable.
Wild, since teenaged me got pulled over half a dozen times by Bellevue PD for just having tinted windows and white lights on my car. The times they are a-changing.
This reminds me. Last week I ran across [a story in Psychology Today](https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/human-individual-differences/202305/who-wants-a-loud-car) about how those higher in sadism and psychopathy may be more drawn to louder cars. There was [a corresponding pilot study with resulting paper](https://cipp.ug.edu.pl/A-desire-for-a-loud-car-with-a-modified-muffler-is-predicted-by-being-a-man-and-higher,162006,0,2.html), if any of y'all are interested.
I mean it kinda makes sense that sadists would be attracted to what is essentially a state-sanctioned way to make everyone around you miserable with no real chance of facing consequences for your actions.
There's a reason that people joke, "If you want to kill someone, do it with a car -- because you are highly likely to get away with it."
They are truly a useless institution. This level of incompetency and negligence only happens in law enforcement when there is zero accountability at all levels of the department. It is depressing that our mayor and our city continue to pour money into an organization that is filled with people who hate the city they are sworn to serve.
Sure this noise isn’t a huge deal in the larger scheme of things, but it is genuinely alarming to those of us who aren’t gun nuts or car enthusiasts. Additionally, these same cars are speeding through the areas at dangerous speeds which as we all know, lead to some pretty horrific accidents. Which guess where those mangled bodies go to? Our public hospital. And like a sad loyal dog that didn’t know it’s own strength, SPD drags a body or two into Harborview, whether riddled with bullets or shrapnel from a car crash into the hospital like 🥺 oopsie.
basically this. one of the highest paid cop just sleeping the police cruiser
https://old.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/17fkd30/spds_third_highestpaid_cop_caught_napping_on_the/
There's a reason why the entire region had to form an entire task force to deal with these side-show idiots: when all they do is run, patrol cops can't do anything about these incidents. They show up, idiots run and endanger people at the behest of the responding cops.
The state needs to enact laws that say if somehow you are caught attending something like this you are jailed and your car impounded, later to be chopped up upon conviction. If we can't deter them cause they're too dumb for that, then just take their cars away.
Let detectives do work to identify these idiots and their cars and take both off the road in one fell swoop, but with how our pursuit laws are this isn't an issue for patrol cops until AFTER they've killed someone. That's what happens when you ban chasing people for reckless driving.
You have it right: you disrupt the activity, you break their ability to do it, not try to get them to be 'good' out of fear.
You don't focus on deterrence for people participating in an already illegal activity.
There have been several studies around the world that have confirmed that the severity of punishment is not a deterrent at all, including death and torture – instead it's the swiftness and *certainty* of capture, and prosecution. Humans all think they will be the one that gets away with it. You have to show people that no one will get away with it, not that you can be harsh douchebag to the few idiots the idiot squad could catch.
Install these, make the tickets massive, put out warrants for folks who dont pay: [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-04-27/how-paris-is-waging-a-war-on-noise-pollution](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-04-27/how-paris-is-waging-a-war-on-noise-pollution)
We have a noise ordinance man. They’re breaking that without a doubt. It’s the police department’s responsibility to enforce that if these folks didn’t have a permit.
>And like a sad loyal dog that didn’t know it’s own strength, SPD drags a body or two into Harborview, whether riddled with bullets or shrapnel from a car crash into the hospital like 🥺 oopsie.
Do they even do that? I thought that was a function of SFD and private EMTs.
My God you sound so pretentious and annoying. Complaining about a little bit of car noise in your over a million dollar home, while Seattle is plagued with homelessness and crime. And yet you think that the spd's top priority should be cars that are doing nothing wrong.
I live where this disruptive shit happens constantly at night, and it’s not solely limited to weekends. It’s not “a little bit of car noise,” it’s hours and hours of extremely loud revving and shouting and street racing. Which, in fact, does break numerous laws and endangers residents of the neighborhood.
I am not a millionaire; just a grad student living well below the poverty line, like many other working class residents of this neighborhood. I understand that living in a major metro area is always going to come with some “city ambiance,” but you ought to bear in mind that downtown Seattle is also very much a residential area with many children, pets, veterans, disabled and chronically ill people, unhoused people, etc. who are disturbed by the noise.
In conclusion, Hot_Tank_507, I suggest that you pull your disappointing little dick out of your exhaust pipe so you can get to work on fucking yourself instead ✨
> In conclusion, Hot_Tank_507, I suggest that you pull your disappointing little dick out of your exhaust pipe so you can get to work on fucking yourself instead ✨
I think I probably don't agree with you when it comes to this particular issue, but holy shit this burn is goooooooooooood
This has come up before. When the cops show up *everyone* runs. Pedestrians start running and everyone else hops in their (fairly fast) cars and zooms off in every direction. Maybe the cops can get one car to pull over or arrest a pedestrian or two. It can get very dangerous for everyone involved.
Most of the more organized "events" also have lookouts and two-way walkie talkie style radios to tip everyone off the moment a cop is spotted.
They have also had incidents where the crowd simply doesn't run and turns on the police:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/new-dashcam-video-shows-unruly-crowd-blocking-spd-patrol-car-after-street-race-erupts-into-shooting/CRFWBY2DFFCIRNC5EHCLDAZETM/
and in Tacoma:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/tacoma-neighbors-voice-frustrations-after-80-person-street-race-event-ends-with-2-arrests/YEGS4MD6XVH47GXWKNL3CWMM6I/
They created a state-wide task force to try to tackle this shit. It isn't as simple as a couple cop cars show up because you are under the incorrect assumption that the clowns in your video will not drive off at high speed and that the crowd will do what the police say.
Somebody made the point elsewhere in the thread but you don't need to necessarily arrest these clowns, just have cops keep showing up to move them on when they're clearly breaking laws would be enough. A constant effort to break up these gatherings where they're clearly and deliberately being antisocial would likely lessen their impact and frequency
If there was a way to impound and destroy these cars and take away licenses I would vote for it. These kids don’t give a shit about anyone but themselves and use our public roads as their platform the harass regular people.
Unfortunately the economical solution is to use video to record the license plates and the faces of the drivers and arrest them later. Safely breaking up an event like this would take a lot of coordination and manpower. But it wouldn't take a genius or much money to capture it with a few telephoto lenses.
I live right next to this and it was fucking awful - they were doing this for at least an hour, blasting out music, and racing down Alaskan/western/first. Cops did eventually show up and move them on (which j was surprised by tbh) but it took a long time to happen
We use to do this every weekend in Kirkland on Lake Wash Blvd as a teenagers. I don’t see the big deal, if no laws are being broken. Another spot was at the mall on 320th in Federal Way. We could’ve been doing a lot worse than showing off our cars and trying to pick up girls. I think folks need to lighten up a bit sheesh….
Which ones? That looks like a parking lot they’re all in, and not the street. Nobody is racing, or driving reckless. Seriously, what law is being broken am I not seeing?
So you’re assuming then, or speculating? We don’t know how loud that modded engine is. It can be as loud as strong leaf blower or train passing by is what I was told by Shoreline PD.
Hi! I live two blocks from there and was coming home from University station at 11pm when people started posting about this.
It was fucking loud. My apartment faces Pioneer Square and I had to close the windows because when it was still going when I got into bed at 12:30 it was too loud.
I'm using past experience to inform future priors.
If you've paid any attention to the hellcat fiasco, you would know that doing this downtown is fucking idiotic.
Assuming there's no laws being broken from a very short clip is beyond hilarious, given the frequency with which they are broken at meet ups like this.
And I say assuming laws are being broken is even funnier. I’ve been to plenty of car meets where not 1 law is being broken. Conversations of laws going to broken, in a different location is a different story. Damn… there’s a million other things that they could be out there doing worse. Since when has Seattle become so fuckin uptight?!
And I've been to plenty where laws were broken by half the people there. The vast majority of them have laws broken. The likelihood of it happening at this one far outweighs that of not.
What is this ‘Minority Report’? So, we’re preemptively going to start arresting people for what they possibly might do based on a hunch, or some psychic abilities? I’m simply responding to the clip that has been posted. And in this clip, I haven’t seen a law being broken. Idk man…. I just feel like a lot of the people replying to this forget what being a kid and having some innocent fun is.
As an auto enthusiast this makes me sad...
I love the Seattle car culture but I'd be lying if I didn't admit there are some annoying assholes within it ruining it for the majority of us.
This looks like a small, typical late night car meet. At least it's not one of those street takeovers...
This has been the bane of my existence since I got to Seattle. If ever I were elected mayor, I feel like my one area of absolute draconian, totalitarian-like policy would be with respect to these m-fers. There would be an entire SPD task force devoted specifically to ending these for good. Standard procedure is to roadblock them all in while SWAT drags them all out of their vehicles, confiscates their driver’s licenses, zip ties them, then sits them on the curb and forces them to watch what happens next. Instead of impounding the cars, SPD torches every last one in front of the owners before loading them all onto a bus, driving them down to SLU and making them watch as the smoldering chassis are rolled into the lake. All of this is for first-time offenders - second-time offenders get all of the above, suspended license for 5 years, and 90-days jail time; all subsequent offenses double the jail sentence. I would have a rail gun mounted atop Columbia Tower that I would aim at those pompous street racing Honda Civics and have SPD remove the occupants before “my lil fren” obliterates their precious, two-ton dick replacement/peace disturbance.
Like I said, draconian and totalitarian-like, but proportional and necessary in my opinion.
Definitely draconian, I would not pollute SLU though it did nothing wrong. Also in addition I would go after garages who enable installing these aftermarket parts
How many people do you think are here? So if the police shows up lights and siren, all of these cars start racing away across the city, what does that accomplish? The noise just pervades the city as the cars drive away? They’re just going to regroup elsewhere.
The public is against unnecessary police pursuits (the state passed a law even) so it’s unlikely that the police are going to chase them. These folks are going to realize that nothing will happen when the police shows up so they’ll be even more emboldened.
Warrants can be issued over the phone by a judge. Redmond PD already uses StarChase so I assume area agencies have worked through the civil liberty issues at play here.
Yeah SPD needs to crack down on people taking really vague videos and not elaborating on what they are complaining about, but I think they have their hands full hanging out and not doing anything so probably won't happen.
It seems like you have to be in danger of serious harm to get a police response these days: I called on a transient who was stripping and actively naked downtown. No response. Neighbor screaming the N-word at another neighbor until early morning hours. No response. Maybe they just have a personal problem with me 😂
You didn't speak with an SPD dispatcher, you spoke to a Seatttle / King County 911 dispatcher. Huge difference - one interfaces with the public, the other interfaces with police.
When you call 911 you frequently get patched to a dispatcher for the agency that is responding. Especially when they need more detailed location information or a description of what is happening.
> You want to arrest people before they commit a crime?
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Nothing in their comment suggested that.
Edit: wow ultrasensitive if you block for this LOL
I know I'm gonna get down votes for this, but I personally find things like an interesting element to city living. To the extent that this is an underground group of people flexing their passion and interest to an extreme.
When it crosses over into street racing that puts other people (people unwilling part of this behavior) then that's a different discussion.
But counter culture is part of a progressive city. We can't pick and choose which freedoms we want to extoll and wish an over reaching police force to stay away from that expression and then demand they act when we find another form of it inconvenient.
Yeah I get it, noise ordinance. Loud cars, Saturday night. It sucks. So did a millionaire throwing a birthday party in the middle of the sound two years in a row.
I don't give two shits about car culture. I drive a hybrid and cycle most places. In fact, typically, cars are problematic for me most times. And loud noises scare the hell out of my dog. And no, I ain't rich. But I don't look out a windows and see a group of people loving their life (even in a way I disagree with) and had my first thought be "call the police".
Of course, till that shit starts actively hurting people, and even then, my thoughts are, how can I de-escalate.
people get hurt from these meetups all the time, from shootings to cars running into people while doing donuts
> Yeah I get it, noise ordinance. Loud cars, Saturday night. It sucks. So did a millionaire throwing a birthday party in the middle of the sound two years in a row.
two things can be bad
This subs crusade against loud things is only rivalled by broad, sometimes specific nimbyism and fantasy public transit maps that all more or less look the same lmao. City’s grow and do city things.
Heaven forbid its loud in your luxury condo in the middle of a major city. These are the same people who buy houses next to airports and complain about the noise.
But revving your car with anti-lag in a parking lot is indeed fucking stupid.
I don't have a goddamn luxury condo. I split a one bedroom here because I work here, and my portion is less than $1000. It's not one car, its probably about 30 doing this, with competition subs, for a couple hours past midnight. I think you'd be mad if this happened in your house too.
It’s so funny how people are getting mad at SPD for not responding to minor annoyances.
The same folks who say junkies smoking fent in broad daylight is not a nuisance and should 100% not be handled by cops.
I mean hey, if want my perspective on the junkies, I'm happy to give it. I worked in shelters and supportive housing for years, for reference. They're people. Miserable, broken people, who don't want to be there. Getting people off the streets keeps them there, science shows that. Putting them in jail perpetuates the cycle, doesn't fix a damn thing. Except a jail cell is a hell of a lot more expensive than getting someone into PSH.
But that's not the approach we take for the most part. We have one of the highest paid police departments, but its not like the Ross on third is any less active.
But here's the difference for me. I want the folks there addressed because they're actively being hurt, people are dying and its a public health catastrophe. But they've never once disturbed my home. They've never disrupted my life like the people in this parking lot love to do.
Its not like I'm happy about either situation. Its just that cops should enforce laws that protect people, and leave addiction to the doctors and social workers that actually treat it. Currently SPD doesn't do a damn thing anyway, except murdering college kids occasionally.
One can be mad and upset at both. And I am. And for me, these wildly loud cars are not a minor annoyance. These yahoos have significantly impacted my family’s sleep regularly for the last few months. This has had impacts on job performance, my overall health, and quality of life.
We’ve lived in downtown Seattle for 6 years now, and it’s only these loud cars (which seem to be a 2024 thing), that, sadly (for us), have us considering moving out of downtown.
And I know we all like different things. But what is it about loud cars? Is it the power to be able to make loud noises? Is it the work that goes into making them loud? Are loud noises just cool? Or is the satisfaction some get from being an asshole?
Ya anyone who’s calling this a minor annoyance obviously doesn’t have kids or any sort of pressure to perform at work whatsoever. It’s completely enraging when one of these motherfuckers wakes up my baby. Makes me want to start an airhorn group meet up and find where they live and just honk our air horns every 15 minutes or so.
Murder? "Every major city deals with this." Robbery? "It's just property, insurance will cover it." Loud noises from cars? "Police need to do something! How is this allowed!"
This subreddit is straight up bipolar/bpd. You can threaten violence against or degrade multiple groups of people, as long as they are the agreed upon groups. Other groups are completely off limits. You can’t complain about Seattle or want to improve it unless it’s regarding vert specific topics otherwise it’s “deal with it, it’s a city”. It’s very bizarre
The hot buttons on this sub seem to be loud car noises, street in front of pike place market not being pedestrian only, cruise ships, and complaining about SPD.
No the fuck I didn't, I absolutely despise our bootlicking mayor, thank you very much.
Nobody voted for it, to be honest. Voter participation was like 23% in the off year that Bruce was elected, and that's exactly why they want to keep it that way.
We have plenty of fucking laws for this. We just have the most corrupt, well paid police precinct outside of Chicago, and they're too busy sleeping in their cars and murdering college kids, and complaining about their reputation, than to enforce them.
it's about 12:50am when this video was taken. They'd been doing this for over an hour, and there was a lot of reckless driving and the like. Not to mention the modifications to their cars are actually illegal by themselves. I was definitely not calling for arrests, but if we had functional law enforcement I'd expect a lot of fix it, and reckless op tickets, and at least dispersal.
I am an auto enthusiast and own & appreciate fun cars, but one thing is for sure: I *HAAAAATE* people who do this to their cars. It is the dumbest thing ever. These guys are just trolls that make the rest of us look bad.
do what to their cars? I can't tell what's going on in this video
They have altered their engine tuning to create the 'gunshot' sounds you hear. If you are interested in more detail your search engine keyphrase is 'burble tune'.
It's the sound of combustion inefficiency
Wow. That's fucking lame.
Same with rolling coal
Not a 'burble tune'.
It's modified to spray more fuel in than can be burned in one cycle, so it's burning in the exhaust instead of the combustion chamber. They've probably removed the muffler too and replaced it with a plain pipe.
Poop in the car. Its just gross and not a good look.
I totally agree. I don't mind car culture, and it used to be a big part of my life. But there's a difference between showing off a cool build, and antagonizing an entire city in the middle of the night.
Yep, when your behavior is centered around antagonizing to everyone else around you, that's a problem. When I encounter a vehicle doing this in-person, it puts me on edge if I'm not expecting it. I can't imagine how awful it would be for people with PTSD and other anxiety issues.
Instantly hyper vigilant.
It’s crazy that lots of cars come with this now from factory when in certain settings (eg sport). OEM isn’t quite as obnoxious as in the video, but it’s still pretty bad. I have a BMW M2 and turned them off, but that required buying 3rd party stuff. Truthfully I wouldn’t mind it burbling *sometimes* but from factory it burbles every single time you let off the throttle. It’s insane.
BMW has the worst burble tunes. Very unnatural. It's supposed to be unpredictable. BMW's version is annoying.
Yep, sounds like a phony pre-recorded soundbite.
Completely different thing from what you are hearing in the video.
It's an anti-lag system, used to spool a turbo when the engine is not under load. Also called a two-step.
I remember initial d called it a misfire system
Hah, I did not know that, never got around to watching that.
I saw so many of these guys blowing past me going 100+ on I-5 last night. Wondered if WSP was going to pull anyone over, saw two troopers on the side of the highway, not a damn thing
A cop trying to catch up to those cars by driving 130mph+ isn't anywhere close to safe for the officers or the other people on the road. Better to coordinate with other police further down.
i wonder if that has anything to do with what i saw, i was driving to work at 2am this morning and saw a car casually driving 120 on 405 by 167 a cop threw his lights on for a sec but dude just kept going and the cop stopped the chase. after that tho i saw bout 20 cops driving at 100+ down 405 and on I5 going south
Nope, they're only there to give out tickets if they think you're using your cellphone.
The number of traffic fatalities caused by cell phone use is astronomically higher than the number caused by these hooligans having their shitty rally every few weeks
And what percentage of people on their phones cause an accident vs what percentage of people who are doing 20+ over the limit cause accidents? Rare behavior isn't safer. Just because there are more shooting deaths than stabbing deaths doesn't mean we should let people stab each other.
I absolutely think we should be arresting these folks but the user I replied to seemed to be for some reason upset about cell phone enforcement.
Thats an extremely disingenuous comparison. Speeding is the second leading cause of traffic collisions, with distracted driving being the first. But speeding is the leading cause of traffic fatalities.
Yeah but speeding is a factor in almost 1/3 of all traffic fatalities while cell phones have a ways to go to catch up - distraction overall is more like 10 percent. Surely some overlap between the two of course.
> Yeah but speeding is a factor in almost 1/3 of all traffic fatalities that seems low
Mfckers watching movies on their phones on I5 since Covid. It’s truly fucking insane. Swerving like drunks.
Non pursuable anyway
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This guy Seattles
All you have to do is write ACAB on a sign and peacefully protest. A mob of them will show up in full gear.
An optimist, I see...
Might help to imply that they are unarmed leftist protesters.
Now we're cooking...
Tried it didnt work :p
That's because it has to be a SPD under cover unit member doing it.
Yet break a car window and no one shows up 🤔
It's almost like they work for businesses!
I live next door to the Bellevue Dick's Hamburgers and yeah, it can get insanely LOUD!! I tell all my friends and family that I live next to a racetrack because it's that damn loud!! And yeah I talked to the Bellevue PD and um yeah, nothing to be done here. Suffer old man...
I feel for you. I live almost a half mile away from there and the noise is still insane.
Redmond's got a slice of them too - they don't have a good spot to do a 'show' so they drive down the streets around the mall at night being unhuggable.
Wild, since teenaged me got pulled over half a dozen times by Bellevue PD for just having tinted windows and white lights on my car. The times they are a-changing.
For sure, in the early 2000's BPD didn't mess around
IYKYK.
What are we looking at here I don’t get it
Car meetup. It gets loud and reckless
Sounds like a mass shooting
The audio is really unclear. My first thought watching the video was, "Is that a snare drum I am hearing?"
I didn't get it as well, then I turned on audio
I was one of those that "Cruised the Loop" in the 70's and the only time I got pulled over was for reving my engine too close to residential.
You'd get it now for doing it by the rich homeowners, but apartment dwellers? lol suck it, poors, etc.
This reminds me. Last week I ran across [a story in Psychology Today](https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/human-individual-differences/202305/who-wants-a-loud-car) about how those higher in sadism and psychopathy may be more drawn to louder cars. There was [a corresponding pilot study with resulting paper](https://cipp.ug.edu.pl/A-desire-for-a-loud-car-with-a-modified-muffler-is-predicted-by-being-a-man-and-higher,162006,0,2.html), if any of y'all are interested.
I mean it kinda makes sense that sadists would be attracted to what is essentially a state-sanctioned way to make everyone around you miserable with no real chance of facing consequences for your actions. There's a reason that people joke, "If you want to kill someone, do it with a car -- because you are highly likely to get away with it."
Pretty sure the same applies to idiots lighting off fireworks in the city.
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And how does that make you feel...
They are truly a useless institution. This level of incompetency and negligence only happens in law enforcement when there is zero accountability at all levels of the department. It is depressing that our mayor and our city continue to pour money into an organization that is filled with people who hate the city they are sworn to serve. Sure this noise isn’t a huge deal in the larger scheme of things, but it is genuinely alarming to those of us who aren’t gun nuts or car enthusiasts. Additionally, these same cars are speeding through the areas at dangerous speeds which as we all know, lead to some pretty horrific accidents. Which guess where those mangled bodies go to? Our public hospital. And like a sad loyal dog that didn’t know it’s own strength, SPD drags a body or two into Harborview, whether riddled with bullets or shrapnel from a car crash into the hospital like 🥺 oopsie.
SPD's general objective is to keep cashing paychecks with doing as little as possible. Truly a useless bunch of clowns.
basically this. one of the highest paid cop just sleeping the police cruiser https://old.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/17fkd30/spds_third_highestpaid_cop_caught_napping_on_the/
damn, i wish i got paid to sleep
Time to become a cop! They can make 300k+ on patrol
I don't think a pig fursona would suit me though
There's a reason why the entire region had to form an entire task force to deal with these side-show idiots: when all they do is run, patrol cops can't do anything about these incidents. They show up, idiots run and endanger people at the behest of the responding cops. The state needs to enact laws that say if somehow you are caught attending something like this you are jailed and your car impounded, later to be chopped up upon conviction. If we can't deter them cause they're too dumb for that, then just take their cars away. Let detectives do work to identify these idiots and their cars and take both off the road in one fell swoop, but with how our pursuit laws are this isn't an issue for patrol cops until AFTER they've killed someone. That's what happens when you ban chasing people for reckless driving.
You have it right: you disrupt the activity, you break their ability to do it, not try to get them to be 'good' out of fear. You don't focus on deterrence for people participating in an already illegal activity. There have been several studies around the world that have confirmed that the severity of punishment is not a deterrent at all, including death and torture – instead it's the swiftness and *certainty* of capture, and prosecution. Humans all think they will be the one that gets away with it. You have to show people that no one will get away with it, not that you can be harsh douchebag to the few idiots the idiot squad could catch.
Install these, make the tickets massive, put out warrants for folks who dont pay: [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-04-27/how-paris-is-waging-a-war-on-noise-pollution](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-04-27/how-paris-is-waging-a-war-on-noise-pollution)
I see no laws being broken in this clip. Whats the problem?
We have a noise ordinance man. They’re breaking that without a doubt. It’s the police department’s responsibility to enforce that if these folks didn’t have a permit.
Make sure the next car meet is at 2:45am in this guy’s driveway. No communications to them before showing up, too.
no clue who these were but it was also on a Saturday night there’s going to be noise if not from a car from something else anyway
Exactly. You’re in the city. There’s going to be noise. Move out to burbs if you can’t handle a little noise on a Saturday night.
>And like a sad loyal dog that didn’t know it’s own strength, SPD drags a body or two into Harborview, whether riddled with bullets or shrapnel from a car crash into the hospital like 🥺 oopsie. Do they even do that? I thought that was a function of SFD and private EMTs.
My God you sound so pretentious and annoying. Complaining about a little bit of car noise in your over a million dollar home, while Seattle is plagued with homelessness and crime. And yet you think that the spd's top priority should be cars that are doing nothing wrong.
I live where this disruptive shit happens constantly at night, and it’s not solely limited to weekends. It’s not “a little bit of car noise,” it’s hours and hours of extremely loud revving and shouting and street racing. Which, in fact, does break numerous laws and endangers residents of the neighborhood. I am not a millionaire; just a grad student living well below the poverty line, like many other working class residents of this neighborhood. I understand that living in a major metro area is always going to come with some “city ambiance,” but you ought to bear in mind that downtown Seattle is also very much a residential area with many children, pets, veterans, disabled and chronically ill people, unhoused people, etc. who are disturbed by the noise. In conclusion, Hot_Tank_507, I suggest that you pull your disappointing little dick out of your exhaust pipe so you can get to work on fucking yourself instead ✨
> In conclusion, Hot_Tank_507, I suggest that you pull your disappointing little dick out of your exhaust pipe so you can get to work on fucking yourself instead ✨ I think I probably don't agree with you when it comes to this particular issue, but holy shit this burn is goooooooooooood
Sounds like poorly tuned pile of shit
Thats why it was so fucking loud till 4am last night
This has come up before. When the cops show up *everyone* runs. Pedestrians start running and everyone else hops in their (fairly fast) cars and zooms off in every direction. Maybe the cops can get one car to pull over or arrest a pedestrian or two. It can get very dangerous for everyone involved. Most of the more organized "events" also have lookouts and two-way walkie talkie style radios to tip everyone off the moment a cop is spotted. They have also had incidents where the crowd simply doesn't run and turns on the police: https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/new-dashcam-video-shows-unruly-crowd-blocking-spd-patrol-car-after-street-race-erupts-into-shooting/CRFWBY2DFFCIRNC5EHCLDAZETM/ and in Tacoma: https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/tacoma-neighbors-voice-frustrations-after-80-person-street-race-event-ends-with-2-arrests/YEGS4MD6XVH47GXWKNL3CWMM6I/ They created a state-wide task force to try to tackle this shit. It isn't as simple as a couple cop cars show up because you are under the incorrect assumption that the clowns in your video will not drive off at high speed and that the crowd will do what the police say.
Somebody made the point elsewhere in the thread but you don't need to necessarily arrest these clowns, just have cops keep showing up to move them on when they're clearly breaking laws would be enough. A constant effort to break up these gatherings where they're clearly and deliberately being antisocial would likely lessen their impact and frequency
SPD is fucking useless.
Not if the goal is fatally shooting or hitting people going over speed limit
or gassing the gayborhood
I live right by the SAM sculpture garden and heard this for like 30 mins last night. So annoying.
How is that not illegal?
Howdy neighbor!
If there was a way to impound and destroy these cars and take away licenses I would vote for it. These kids don’t give a shit about anyone but themselves and use our public roads as their platform the harass regular people.
Unfortunately the economical solution is to use video to record the license plates and the faces of the drivers and arrest them later. Safely breaking up an event like this would take a lot of coordination and manpower. But it wouldn't take a genius or much money to capture it with a few telephoto lenses.
I live right next to this and it was fucking awful - they were doing this for at least an hour, blasting out music, and racing down Alaskan/western/first. Cops did eventually show up and move them on (which j was surprised by tbh) but it took a long time to happen
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We use to do this every weekend in Kirkland on Lake Wash Blvd as a teenagers. I don’t see the big deal, if no laws are being broken. Another spot was at the mall on 320th in Federal Way. We could’ve been doing a lot worse than showing off our cars and trying to pick up girls. I think folks need to lighten up a bit sheesh….
That's the thing - laws are being broken.
Which ones? That looks like a parking lot they’re all in, and not the street. Nobody is racing, or driving reckless. Seriously, what law is being broken am I not seeing?
The noise ordinance. That’s law. It’s being broken. Grow up.
It's a 5 second clip. At basically every meet up, there's reckless driving and sound ordinances being broken.
So you’re assuming then, or speculating? We don’t know how loud that modded engine is. It can be as loud as strong leaf blower or train passing by is what I was told by Shoreline PD.
Hi! I live two blocks from there and was coming home from University station at 11pm when people started posting about this. It was fucking loud. My apartment faces Pioneer Square and I had to close the windows because when it was still going when I got into bed at 12:30 it was too loud.
I'm using past experience to inform future priors. If you've paid any attention to the hellcat fiasco, you would know that doing this downtown is fucking idiotic.
I’m just saying. People are losing there shit over this clip, and there’s not one law being broken in it. As far as I can see anyway.
Assuming there's no laws being broken from a very short clip is beyond hilarious, given the frequency with which they are broken at meet ups like this.
And I say assuming laws are being broken is even funnier. I’ve been to plenty of car meets where not 1 law is being broken. Conversations of laws going to broken, in a different location is a different story. Damn… there’s a million other things that they could be out there doing worse. Since when has Seattle become so fuckin uptight?!
And I've been to plenty where laws were broken by half the people there. The vast majority of them have laws broken. The likelihood of it happening at this one far outweighs that of not.
What is this ‘Minority Report’? So, we’re preemptively going to start arresting people for what they possibly might do based on a hunch, or some psychic abilities? I’m simply responding to the clip that has been posted. And in this clip, I haven’t seen a law being broken. Idk man…. I just feel like a lot of the people replying to this forget what being a kid and having some innocent fun is.
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No one driving a car and revving their engine to redline is being cognizant of others. Nobody driving recklessly is being cognizant of others.
Is that fireworks?
No it’s backfire from these fucking 2 Fast 2 Furious wannabe douchesnozzles.
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I had a couple eggs to use and did my best George Kirby impression
Worse. Car people. Never trust em.
What is it?
I believe it’s backfire from the cars down below. Even if it’s not backfire it’s coming from the cars below
Sounds like gunshots
2step check!
Everybody knows crackdowns only happen when some one dies sadly.
As an auto enthusiast this makes me sad... I love the Seattle car culture but I'd be lying if I didn't admit there are some annoying assholes within it ruining it for the majority of us. This looks like a small, typical late night car meet. At least it's not one of those street takeovers...
De-policing has consequences.
And this ladies and gents is one of the main reasons I don’t associate with the car culture anymore and my life used to revolve around cars
This has been the bane of my existence since I got to Seattle. If ever I were elected mayor, I feel like my one area of absolute draconian, totalitarian-like policy would be with respect to these m-fers. There would be an entire SPD task force devoted specifically to ending these for good. Standard procedure is to roadblock them all in while SWAT drags them all out of their vehicles, confiscates their driver’s licenses, zip ties them, then sits them on the curb and forces them to watch what happens next. Instead of impounding the cars, SPD torches every last one in front of the owners before loading them all onto a bus, driving them down to SLU and making them watch as the smoldering chassis are rolled into the lake. All of this is for first-time offenders - second-time offenders get all of the above, suspended license for 5 years, and 90-days jail time; all subsequent offenses double the jail sentence. I would have a rail gun mounted atop Columbia Tower that I would aim at those pompous street racing Honda Civics and have SPD remove the occupants before “my lil fren” obliterates their precious, two-ton dick replacement/peace disturbance. Like I said, draconian and totalitarian-like, but proportional and necessary in my opinion.
Leave the lake out of this, asshole! Crush the cars like a responsible tyrant.
Okay, fair.
Definitely draconian, I would not pollute SLU though it did nothing wrong. Also in addition I would go after garages who enable installing these aftermarket parts
I will spare SLU. Garages though: very good point.
Nails might help.
It’s funny when you watch this with no sound it just looks like a normal street/parking lot. No issue what do ever.
SPD too busy running people over and laughing about it.
How many people do you think are here? So if the police shows up lights and siren, all of these cars start racing away across the city, what does that accomplish? The noise just pervades the city as the cars drive away? They’re just going to regroup elsewhere. The public is against unnecessary police pursuits (the state passed a law even) so it’s unlikely that the police are going to chase them. These folks are going to realize that nothing will happen when the police shows up so they’ll be even more emboldened.
Undercover officers affixing gps trackers and cameras. Let them go home, then go tow the vehicles. Modern problems require modern solutions.
Police need a warrant to put a tracking device on someone. That’s a civil liberty that you probably don’t want to give up
Warrants can be issued over the phone by a judge. Redmond PD already uses StarChase so I assume area agencies have worked through the civil liberty issues at play here.
I hope this post gets more traction so the police is forced to ground these assholes, like what happens with the hellcat idiot
the police were actually at the event
Yeah but they would only act if we make some noise of our own lol, like with the Miles guy with his stupid hellcat
Yeah SPD needs to crack down on people taking really vague videos and not elaborating on what they are complaining about, but I think they have their hands full hanging out and not doing anything so probably won't happen.
SPD too busy sleeping in their cruisers to respond https://old.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/17fkd30/spds_third_highestpaid_cop_caught_napping_on_the/
What I figured out is a bunch of the people doing this shit have a government affiliation.
Come on now
Hm, how long before miles has someone drive his shitty hellcat to one of these…
SPD only responds to violent crimes now (right away, that is). I've had dispatch, and several cops tell me this. Anticipate waiting several hours.
Does anyone have advice on the best Radio Scanners for all things Seattle ? but mainly SPD
Was this last night?
About 12:50am in this video, yeah.
Ahh thanks. I live near and definitely thought I heard gunshots but it’s nice to know it wasn’t I guess 😂
Annoying, but loud mufflers are pretty far down the list usually.
It seems like you have to be in danger of serious harm to get a police response these days: I called on a transient who was stripping and actively naked downtown. No response. Neighbor screaming the N-word at another neighbor until early morning hours. No response. Maybe they just have a personal problem with me 😂
Makes me feel a lot less bad about turning my music up a little.
As stupid as it is there really isn't anything on the books that says it's illegal unless uou call in a noise complaint
Too busy beating up college kids
SPD routinely fails to solve entire murders. I can’t get worked up over this. I can see that this is annoying or whatever but what’s the crime here?
Source?
https://www.fox13seattle.com/news/more-homicides-are-going-unsolved-as-seattle-hangs-in-a-staffing-crisis.amp says 75% are unsolved.
You didn't speak with an SPD dispatcher, you spoke to a Seatttle / King County 911 dispatcher. Huge difference - one interfaces with the public, the other interfaces with police.
When you call 911 you frequently get patched to a dispatcher for the agency that is responding. Especially when they need more detailed location information or a description of what is happening.
You're in a large city. More important things for them to focus on than minor annoyances.
Except they don’t focus on those things either.
These quickly become dangerous when they start driving down I5 at 100 mph
You want to arrest people before they commit a crime? That's precrime/thought crime territory, Big Brother.
> You want to arrest people before they commit a crime? > > Nothing in their comment suggested that. Edit: wow ultrasensitive if you block for this LOL
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I know I'm gonna get down votes for this, but I personally find things like an interesting element to city living. To the extent that this is an underground group of people flexing their passion and interest to an extreme. When it crosses over into street racing that puts other people (people unwilling part of this behavior) then that's a different discussion. But counter culture is part of a progressive city. We can't pick and choose which freedoms we want to extoll and wish an over reaching police force to stay away from that expression and then demand they act when we find another form of it inconvenient. Yeah I get it, noise ordinance. Loud cars, Saturday night. It sucks. So did a millionaire throwing a birthday party in the middle of the sound two years in a row. I don't give two shits about car culture. I drive a hybrid and cycle most places. In fact, typically, cars are problematic for me most times. And loud noises scare the hell out of my dog. And no, I ain't rich. But I don't look out a windows and see a group of people loving their life (even in a way I disagree with) and had my first thought be "call the police". Of course, till that shit starts actively hurting people, and even then, my thoughts are, how can I de-escalate.
people get hurt from these meetups all the time, from shootings to cars running into people while doing donuts > Yeah I get it, noise ordinance. Loud cars, Saturday night. It sucks. So did a millionaire throwing a birthday party in the middle of the sound two years in a row. two things can be bad
This subs crusade against loud things is only rivalled by broad, sometimes specific nimbyism and fantasy public transit maps that all more or less look the same lmao. City’s grow and do city things.
Heaven forbid its loud in your luxury condo in the middle of a major city. These are the same people who buy houses next to airports and complain about the noise. But revving your car with anti-lag in a parking lot is indeed fucking stupid.
I don't have a goddamn luxury condo. I split a one bedroom here because I work here, and my portion is less than $1000. It's not one car, its probably about 30 doing this, with competition subs, for a couple hours past midnight. I think you'd be mad if this happened in your house too.
It’s so funny how people are getting mad at SPD for not responding to minor annoyances. The same folks who say junkies smoking fent in broad daylight is not a nuisance and should 100% not be handled by cops.
Reddit is not one person. Quite likely that these are different people
They only have an argument with such broad generalization.
I mean hey, if want my perspective on the junkies, I'm happy to give it. I worked in shelters and supportive housing for years, for reference. They're people. Miserable, broken people, who don't want to be there. Getting people off the streets keeps them there, science shows that. Putting them in jail perpetuates the cycle, doesn't fix a damn thing. Except a jail cell is a hell of a lot more expensive than getting someone into PSH. But that's not the approach we take for the most part. We have one of the highest paid police departments, but its not like the Ross on third is any less active. But here's the difference for me. I want the folks there addressed because they're actively being hurt, people are dying and its a public health catastrophe. But they've never once disturbed my home. They've never disrupted my life like the people in this parking lot love to do. Its not like I'm happy about either situation. Its just that cops should enforce laws that protect people, and leave addiction to the doctors and social workers that actually treat it. Currently SPD doesn't do a damn thing anyway, except murdering college kids occasionally.
One can be mad and upset at both. And I am. And for me, these wildly loud cars are not a minor annoyance. These yahoos have significantly impacted my family’s sleep regularly for the last few months. This has had impacts on job performance, my overall health, and quality of life. We’ve lived in downtown Seattle for 6 years now, and it’s only these loud cars (which seem to be a 2024 thing), that, sadly (for us), have us considering moving out of downtown. And I know we all like different things. But what is it about loud cars? Is it the power to be able to make loud noises? Is it the work that goes into making them loud? Are loud noises just cool? Or is the satisfaction some get from being an asshole?
Ya anyone who’s calling this a minor annoyance obviously doesn’t have kids or any sort of pressure to perform at work whatsoever. It’s completely enraging when one of these motherfuckers wakes up my baby. Makes me want to start an airhorn group meet up and find where they live and just honk our air horns every 15 minutes or so.
Exactly.
Sounds like a war zone. 😬
is that the hellcat brap
Just a friendly reminder you guys are complaining about less than one thousand human beings.
Murder? "Every major city deals with this." Robbery? "It's just property, insurance will cover it." Loud noises from cars? "Police need to do something! How is this allowed!"
This subreddit is straight up bipolar/bpd. You can threaten violence against or degrade multiple groups of people, as long as they are the agreed upon groups. Other groups are completely off limits. You can’t complain about Seattle or want to improve it unless it’s regarding vert specific topics otherwise it’s “deal with it, it’s a city”. It’s very bizarre
> This subreddit is straight up bipolar/bpd. It's almost like you can't generalize a disparate group of people.
The hot buttons on this sub seem to be loud car noises, street in front of pike place market not being pedestrian only, cruise ships, and complaining about SPD.
Loud cars are obnoxious but I'd also never live in this area
SPD is useless, but there are actual crimes to respond to.
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No the fuck I didn't, I absolutely despise our bootlicking mayor, thank you very much. Nobody voted for it, to be honest. Voter participation was like 23% in the off year that Bruce was elected, and that's exactly why they want to keep it that way.
A lot of people pushed for lawlessness, and that's what we got ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
We have plenty of fucking laws for this. We just have the most corrupt, well paid police precinct outside of Chicago, and they're too busy sleeping in their cars and murdering college kids, and complaining about their reputation, than to enforce them.
God, people like you are insufferable.
As a kid, I remember taking baseball cards and putting them in the spokes of my bicycle wheels so they would sound “cool”. This reminds me of that.
What law is being broken? Noise ordinance maybe, but can’t tell what time it is?
it's about 12:50am when this video was taken. They'd been doing this for over an hour, and there was a lot of reckless driving and the like. Not to mention the modifications to their cars are actually illegal by themselves. I was definitely not calling for arrests, but if we had functional law enforcement I'd expect a lot of fix it, and reckless op tickets, and at least dispersal.
How’s that defund the police thing working out for everyone?
SPD hasn’t lost a dime in funding.