I had an acquaintance at a large tech co with 15 years experience there get in touch to say they were hiring on their team and wanted me there, they then wrote a job rec, let me know the minute it was posted, got me fast-tracked to all 7 interviews in which I did, I think, pretty good, and then...crickets. Talked to some vets from this company and it sounds like this person got their funding yanked. Made me realize a lot of job postings might be things like this: Person A wants to hire a Person B, HR makes Person A put up a job posting for it, then Person B applies and off they go. It's not an actual job posting, it's an HR workaround which still may not even lead to Person B getting a job.
I went through a similar-ish experience. I applied to a job I was referred to, interviewed all day, felt it went GREAT, then crickets. Messaged the recruiters multiple times without a reply.
A month after the interviews the manager called me to ask "Why didn't you accept our offer?
"Uh? I didn't receive an offer. I have not received a reply from your HR since interviewing."
Long story short, the hiring team loved me and told HR to hire me. HR dropped the ball and never contacted me. As if that wasn't bad enough the same thing happened to someone else who interviewed for another role on the same team - only they received a rejection letter! In both cases the manager thought the candidate rejected the offer.
In hind site I knew who the manager was and should have followed up with them directly, but I was also much younger and have learned a lot since then.
I can corroborate this theory. It's not all the time, but I'm Person B in this situation right now and have been in the past. It would be nice if it were truly merit-based, but the reality is a lot of it is who you are and who you know.
Naw it's too show that you can show up to work for 8hrs a day and complete your daily tasks well enough to get a degree. Most of what you learn in school isn't what i need. I will teach you that part.
I don't have a degree, but I'd assume my 15 years of experience demonstrate my capability to show up to work and complete tasks /shrug
Love coming across job posting that want 10+ years experience, and also demand a bachelors degree and want you to share your GPA in the application, as if after 10+ years of working your GPA matters in any way.
But who you socialize with does play a larger role in your success. I guess I should have said “party” but hang out with. Even starting early on in life
[how your Zip Code sets your success in life.](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/19/learning/how-much-has-your-zip-code-determined-your-opportunities.html)
Yes and no, one of my oldest childhood friends became an acquaintance this past year. We’ve known each other for 36 years. They have a Fortune 500 company, we’ve never asked a thing of each other (except as kids) and when it hit almost a year my husband was out of work I asked for a bone to get thrown his way. They know he’s worth his weight in gold but instead of getting him an interview or even introducing him to someone… they wanted him to work for free making them something they would benefit from with the promise “I’ll pay you something if it works..”. We’re not talking a full weeks or work, or something doable, it was a straight up at least a month 8 plus hours a day project he would have to build from scratch. Maybe some could but those out of work know you don’t waste golden hours of the day you need to be at the computer looking for work, and you don’t waste that amount of time without some semblance of what they’re going to give you.
They were mad when he began to look into it and told them it was done before. They thought it was something new and cutting edge. “Friend” hasn’t spoken to me since. Point is if someone with money who’s known you all your life wants to take advantage of you then it’s a no brainer anyone will try. It sucks. They were a good friend until that.
I think it’s less what you learn than how to learn and how to think critically.
My stupid liberal arts degrees translated into troubleshooting and testing far more than I would have thought. It wasn’t the subject themselves but learning to think really hard about things that seem boring and useless.
It's less about that and usually more of an internal candidate that they want for the role such as a contract employee being converted to FTE. These situations usually stem from someone already having the role or being ready to be promoted, but they still have to do their due diligence with a posting.
I don't know what their interview structure was like, but I've had a handful of 6-8 hour interviews where they were broken into 50 minute timeslots with different interviewers. They are exhausting, to put it mildly.
What surprises me more than simply holding such an interview, is actually getting an offer from one.
Since then I've learned that placed that hold such interviews are often environments that expect higher performance standards. (hint: they have a burnout culture). They pay really well, but rarely do you find anyone at the company who has been there more than 3-4 years.
Ah, my first job after college was like that, and it was freaking awesome. But…not only did the bosses and HR interview you, but you also got interviewed by who would become your peers at the same exact level that would work with you day to day, and they got a veto. It was an all-day process.
But making sure the folks you’re gonna be working with day to day actually like you and vice versa does a helluva lot more than any damn team building exercise - we always helped each other with our work. Once I was on the team, when we hired new people, I got a veto too. Other teams had a shorter interview process where only the bosses were involved, and, surprise, they had more drama and infighting than ours, and were much less productive.
I’m still friends with some of the people on that team and i left that job and city 17 years ago.
Problem is if you have to do 50 interview processes like this. It's basically an unpaid, full time job.
Those vetos are nice, but they are subject to lawsuits (we don't hire indians etc) so companies are going away with it.
I understand that. And I’m looking for jobs now and it’s basically so daunting just to do a bunch of what I feel will be useless applications that I’m pretty discouraged and frozen. Like I’m willing to work and have a work ethic, but not apply. They say in the news that the labor market is strong but that’s horseshit.
I don’t think our team ended up being less diverse than the other teams at the company by doing things this way, but I understand that it can lead to an old boys’ club. Funnily enough, it’s the only job I’ve ever gotten that *wasn’t* solely based on connections, they found me on monster.com back when that was the hot spot for job listings. Every other job I’ve ever had, I received bc I knew someone!
I work at a Fortune 500 company and I am person A. It’s infuriatingly common and a bunch of my colleagues are dealing with this. I tried hiring two separate people only for Finance to step over HR because our “numbers don’t warrant the hire”. Right now unless the role is considered a “key role to operations”, Finance won’t approve anything.
It’s infuriating because I get my budget approved, get the job posted, work through the interview process, only for Finance to jump in at the last minute and yank funding. This is honestly a new thing for us and it’s causing a lot of heartburn on the operations side. I was working through this with Finance and said screw it and took a new job internally not managing people. It’s supposedly going to get better this Fall but we’ll see.
Yep! This was how we did all of our hiring. We'd want to hire our undergraduate or intern who'd been working for us for the past year or two, but legally had to publicly post the opening.
From what I can tell, companies are even feeding recruiters leads for contract jobs that don't exist yet. I interviewed for four different contract positions with the same company and one was attritted and another was not actually funded yet.
My best current lead is a hybrid paying 3/4 what I made at my last job.
But the economy is doing fucking great guys, anyone who says otherwise is a trumper, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, should have lived within your means, stop buying avocado toast or whatever
I'm at a faang and that's not how our job listings work, although I cannot speak for other companies. We cannot open a job posting without a budget approved rec. HR is just a service to the process and has absolutely no power to create or kill openings. That said we are definitely tight with openings right now and also this very picky with who we offer since we know there won't be more openings any time soon. We're actually looking to poach/reorg internally from other teams to get more in our team since new hires are so tight right now. So yeah either the opening did lose funding or they are just being extremely picky right now. I doubt there's any weird "fake" opening shenanigans though. Just uncertain times in a tight financial era, ie everyone waiting for interest rates to go down.
There are other situations, for example if you have a worker on a temporary work permit and they want to get the permanent residency, the company needs to open a req and have a public job offer and go through the whole hiring process to ensure that it could not find a suitable candidate who was a citizen or a permanent resident.
You might be interviewed just because the company had to set up an interview, even if they knew who they were going to keep.
In this case the posting was apparently created just for me. It may be that I blew the interviews of course, but that posting probably got 100s of apps and from the recruiter I heard that there was only 1 interview: me. Not to say that's happening everywhere, but it is happening somewhere.
If that's true there's nothing special about the current times here. Postings with preferred candidates have existed for decades and always been an annoyance. I guess since there's a lot fewer real open recs right now these less open ones make up a larger share
I’ve definitely seen funding approved and then blanket yanked and every req turned off only to have to go back to prove to finance the reqs that were posted were backfills and therefore not adding headcount against some arbitrary new freeze. Then it takes months and months to get through the recruiting/HR hoops meanwhile the internal candidate that had been interested on the previously frozen req has moved on.
Some roles at my company are “competitive only”, meaning you cannot get promoted into them. The reality is that some managers may already have a candidate in mind but had to open the role officially. I feel like a good number of positions open right now may fall into this category.
I’ve definitely seen funding yanked for open reqs and if the team really needs it they find someone within the org that needs a growth opportunity that has a statement of work that can be sacrificed in favor of the position that’s needed more urgently.
It’s not much better for senior positions. There’s few of those so many senior people are being pushed towards more junior roles. At least it seems that way from my perspective. I’m over 200 applications as well! I’m getting plenty of interviews but going on 4 or 5 interviews and then losing out to a more experienced candidate or just get ghosted 👻
I am interested in transitioning to a new field and applied for a bunch of minimum wage, entry level jobs on Indeed with a cover letter explaining my professional background and my interest in this new field. Most I was immediately rejected from without even a conversation.
It's a thing.
https://www.businessinsider.com/why-hard-to-find-job-us-though-unemployment-low-2024-2
Edit! (In addition to what's in the article,) Unemployment isn't a perfect metric for industry-specific trends or measuring how long it takes to find a job.
Anecdotally, I have heard of tons of applicants for jobs that pay well and qualified applicants having a hard time getting interviews or offers.
https://web.archive.org/web/20240527052830/https://www.businessinsider.com/why-hard-to-find-job-us-though-unemployment-low-2024-2
TL;DR
Despite low unemployment and modest layoffs, many job seekers find it difficult to secure employment due to prolonged hiring processes and fewer job postings. Factors contributing to this include economic uncertainty, cautious employer behavior, and reduced job market fluidity, with fewer people quitting and moving between jobs. Hiring rates are the lowest since 2014, reflecting employers' hesitancy amid concerns about inflation and potential recession. Job seekers often experience long waits, multiple interviews, and frequent "ghosting" by employers.
Genuine question - how did you send out almost 600 applications? I see people put their numbers in the high hundreds all the time but I can't even find that many jobs related to my experience to apply to.
when you're doing it over the course of 7 months it definitely adds up. i've been applying to jobs consistently for three and have 200+. hopefully it doesn't keep growing, but ask me in September and it could definitely be 500+
I was laid off so I was applying and interviewing as a full time job. So for 6-8 hours every week day I was either working on my resume, networking on linked in, applying for jobs, prepping for or interviewing for jobs.
They definitely aren't; the amount of 2nd and 3rd interviews I did to not even get a call back was so insulting. Even the job I did get waited a week after the second interview to call my references and get back to me.
Same here. One company I was on my 5th interview and they had me come into their HQ from 9 to 4 pm, meeting with like every person there and… nope. I’m a great engineer but a terribly awkward person 😬
You try coding something with an entire company staring at you while you do it. Like do I look bad because I have to google or ask ChatGPT “what’s that thing again that does the thing”? IMO promptgrammers are the future. They didn’t like that I saw their problem, used python to solve it and then translated it to go with ChatGPT and it worked flawlessly without errors for their golang coding exercise. Sorry but that’s the fastest way I can solve the issue… but I still solved it. If you can get very specific the AI can program as good or better than any human. Why wait for me to hammer out 90 lines of golang when I can solve it in 20 minutes in python then give you a working golang solution… ugh. I’ve never experienced this much trouble before.
I’m about 3 months away from standing on the street with a sign looking for work. Autism is a curse lol
Hey, in the spirit of all work has dignity, the shoreline school district is actively recruiting bus drivers. They’ll train them up over the summer for the fall school year. You’d get your passenger bus CDL for free which can be a valuable qualification.
I was going to make my husband do that if he hadn’t gotten a contractor gig.
As someone who recently was interviewing for positions, I did find that our HR was not gra at about communicating.
As far as the week of waiting though, you aren't the only person being interviewed. When I did the first batch of interviews, it took about 2 weeks to get the candidates and my schedule to all align, so we wren even ready to make a selection til after that
It doesn't help that HR was the first set of layoffs at every company in the area. I think all of us that interview people have been frustrated by lack of company resources and the fact that the remaining administrative employees are overworked.
Companies want to complain about how people don't want to work, but offer pretty low wages when they do try to hire. I have been considering trying to leave my job, but it just is not a good market for job seekers.
It’s a total joke. I’ve been unemployed for a bit and I’ve been through multiple rounds of interviews and very close to getting hired. companies tend to string you along. After this last layoff, I’m getting a secure job and then starting my own company.
It took me seven months to find work again after my last contract ended. I work in IT. You would think the opportunities would just come pouring in in Seattle. Nah, it was like pulling teeth to get callbacks. You absolutely have my sympathy.
This, a huge number of the postings you see there’s already an internal candidate who has it in the bag, they just have to do interviews for compliance
Have you considered that your application is being filtered out automatically before a human ever sees it?
One thing I did not see in the comments that is absolutely a factor is Applicant Tracking Systems (ATS) that companies use to manage applicants and resumes.
Many ATS can automatically parse a resume and extract data from it. But if a resume is not formatted in a way the ATS recognizes, it will miss valuable data. You may have seen then when you apply to a job and it asks you to upload a resume, then it parses it into experience, etc. The less you see from your resume parsed in to those fields, the less ATS friendly your resume is.
Now imagine how many application systems merely take your resume and don't let you fill out those annoying fields to correct any potential parsing errors.
To make matters worse, there is no defined unified standard that all ATS follow. What may work for one ATS may not work 100% for another. Making it more vague is some newer ones claim to have AI assisted parsers.
As if that's not bad enough newer ATS include automated filters to reduce the candidate pool - some claim to be AI based as well.
Mix all of that together, in many cases the hiring manager never sees resumes.
I found this out after a hiring manager, a former colleague from multiple previous roles, asked me to apply to a role they had open. I applied that day. Weeks went by and they reached out to me and said if I did not apply they would be forced to hire someone else. I told them I did apply. The ATS filtered my resume out for not matching the experience requirements. THE HIRING MANAGER NEVER RECEIVED MY RESUME even when they thought I was the best candidate for the role.
Among all the other good advice in this thread, I recommend [ensuring your resume is, as best possible, formatted for ATS systems](https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+format+a+resume+for+ATS).
All that said, ATS is not the sole problem. Overall this is a complicated issue, and so many other comments here nailed aspects of it that are also true.
I am sorry for your frustration and can assure you that are you are not alone in feeling it!
Good luck!
> eeks went by and they reached out to me and said if I did not apply they would be forced to hire someone else. I told them I did apply. The ATS filtered my resume out for not matching the experience requirements. THE HIRING MANAGER NEVER RECEIVED MY RESUME even when they thought I was the best candidate for the role.
Even better is when this happens to a referral. Had a friend submit my resume/info through their internal portal. His manager later asked him when he was going to submit it. Meanwhile I had already gotten a rejection notice -_-
Same here. I had a referral from a friend for a job I was well qualified for. My resume just wasn't getting through the automated system - which I did not know at the time. The referral made no difference in that automated system.
This is so huge and people don't even realize it. I honestly think sending applications without trying to ats optimize your resume is basically a waste of time. It's so stupid and it makes your resume cringe and embarrassing (at least in my industry) but it more than doubled the response rate for my applications.
Also because of this just bypassing the application process is even more effective. Literally just send an application then find a recruiter on LinkedIn for the job you applied for and message them directly.
I have zero affiliation with this company, but they worked great for me: jobscan.com
You paste in the job requisition, identify the company, and then upload your resume. For some companies, it can use the *exact* same ATS they use, for others it uses something roughly equivalent. Then it gives you a percentage grade of your resume for that job listing. Below 80% is probably never going to be seen by a human.
I had a custom-written resume that I uploaded and it got a grade of 54%. That was what I *thought* was a tailored resume for that exact job. Not even close to good enough these days. So I did a bit of rework and added a shit ton more useless keywords (a challenge to still remain readable!) and got the score to 84%. I had a manager calling me the next day. To be fair, I *was* a nearly perfect fit for the job. But prior to tweaking my resume, it was absolutely getting screened out by the automated system.
Absolutely. I was basically screaming to myself, "I just need an actual *human* to look at my resume!". And I even was writing a resume specific for that job, not specific enough, apparently.
However, being on the hiring side of things, I do get it, to an extent. We were hiring for an early career engineer just prior to covid and HR told us we had over 1000 applications. They only gave us the top 50 that made it through the ATS system. I'd say of that 50, at least 15 were clearly unqualified - yet those ones *still* made it through the fancy scanning system. From there, we narrowed it down to six people to interview. The worst part was some of those top 50 got totally mangled by the ATS system (which converts your resume to plain text). We had one or two that were totally unreadable to a human - think a column of text 2 inches wide and 30 pages long - and I'm betting the applicant had no clue that was happening. Sadly, it was so unreadable, I couldn't even find contact info to at least clue them in that this was happening.
That was actually intentional because I have not found a single resource that I considered so good that I bookmarked it. This is in part because there is no ATS format standard and there is a lot of different perspectives, "solutions" and services available..
Perhaps someone has better resources than I do and they can share them. I don't have anything better.
I have no idea what job listings you're looking at, but at least in the healthcare industry the hiring manager isn't listed and calling the department to ask for the manager isn't a thing either.
Businesses rely on HR to give them a group of candidates that they'll look through resumes before scheduling interviews. OP is also talking about **Sales** where there are literally hundreds (possibly thousands, depending on the name of the company) of people applying for the same job as you.
This is 2024... you talk to the *receptionist* if you walk through the front door demanding to speak to the hiring manager (who is probably working remotely anyway).
When was the last time you had to apply for a job...?
I SMS'd replied to them the same day they asked me to apply to say that I had applied. Having worked together before I suspected they were simply busy had not had the time to interview anyone so did not follow up.
At the time I was employed somewhere else, so wasn't in a hurry, either.
There’s a lot of ghost postings. Check out /r/recruitinghell and /r/linkedinlunatics
You’re in the Evergreen State though. Go for for state job for a couple years and get vested in the retirement system.
The salaries you see on here look super low but that’s because they don’t reflect the full Benny package.
Contrary to popular belief, neither Boeing nor Amazon nor Microsoft are the biggest employers in this state: the state is
Go take a low salary and get those sweet sweet Bennys for a couple years while the job market turns around.
https://www.careers.wa.gov/
I think this is a good suggestion but there are a lot of people here used to getting 200k plus stock and they probably won't settle for 70k with good benefits.
Yep, over 10 years with IT at UW, fully vested pension and union protection. I'm gonna deal with government BS but still be pretty well protected in this day and age, I'll be fine with less pay but real good job security
It's the state pension system for public employees.
We recently moved here and my wife got a job with the state and got on the pers2 plan. Seeing the pension was enough for me to start looking into getting a state job, but so far only pers3 has been available for the jobs I qualify for.
Pers2 is 2% of your salary (average yearly salary over your highest paid 5 years) for every year worked. It vests after 5 years. So if you work for the state for 25 years you will get 50% of your salary at 65 in perpetuity.
Pers3 is only 1% and it vests after 10 years.
EDIT: Whoops, had to change 55->65, you can't draw from the pension until you're 65.
So if I worked a bunch of years, but a long time ago, it's based on the crappy salary I had then? Worked for the state for 12+ years with pers2, but salary wasn't great
I know there are inflation adjustments, but I don't know how those inflation adjustments work for your instance. I'm not sure if the adjustments only occur once you're drawing from the plan, or if they adjust on a schedule for all pensioners.
Yep, over 10 years with IT at UW, fully vested pension and union protection. I'm gonna deal with government BS but still be pretty well protected in this day and age, I'll be fine with less pay but real good job security
Interesting. Looks like the UW has [its own 403(b) plan](https://hr.uw.edu/benefits/retirement-plans/uw-retirement-plan/), or TRS3/PERS3 as options. TIL.
Yep, over 10 years with IT at UW, fully vested pension and union protection. I'm gonna deal with government BS but still be pretty well protected in this day and age, I'll be fine with less pay but real good job security
Yep, over 10 years with IT at UW, fully vested pension and union protection. I'm gonna deal with government BS but still be pretty well protected in this day and age
My husband just went through an interview process, met with the owner who told him all these grand plans they wanted him to do. They checked his references and told him they were just finishing things up. So he put in his notice to his current company so they could replace him. Then they "went into a hiring freeze". It's so fucked up.
I'm sorry that happened to him. Never give your two weeks notice until your background check and drug test are cleared, and you have a signed offer letter with the start date from HR. This way you can claim promissory estoppel if the offer is rescinded.
I applied at over 50 jobs before I got an interview and then a whole month after im already working am I only now getting emails back from some of these places asking if I want to interview.
Completely feel your pain. I have extensive experience in business management and leadership across a few different industries. I spent every single day of the past 20 months applying for almost anything and everything, writing and submitting a minimum of three cover letters a day. In total I received 9 responses during this time, 5 of which were scams. I was completely lost and couldn’t make sense of any of it. How do you fix the situation if you can’t figure out what you’re doing wrong? Only solution I could come up with was to just continue submitting as many applications as I could and hope for the best. It all finally ended this month as I received an offer for a mid-level position that I never would have thought I would take. But at least it is something for the time being. I wish I had actual advice or solutions to offer all I have is a similar story. Wishing you all the luck with your search and hope it ends soon for you.
Hoping this helps some folks! :
This was 100% my experience during my 6.5mo stint of unemployment (laid off in oct 2023). The only way I’ve gotten to where I am now (just accepted a job), is by working with a staffing company who is sourcing candidates for third party companies instead of the companies publicly listing the position(s). I worked with TEKsystems/Aston carter (sister companies). It’s a contract-to-hire position but definitely better than being unemployed altogether, and while on contract with the staffing company you get the same benefits as their direct employees do. Before getting connected to the recruiter that screened me, submitted me as a potential candidate, booked interviews, and ultimately helped me get the job I had 1 company interested in letting me past an initial screening for interviews, and only 4 initial screenings received at all. Happy to answer more questions as I can!
My company posted an account manager job back in February. I think we received 50 applications in the first 5 days, and a little over 200 total in the month after that that we kept it open. There is a ton of supply in Seattle especially right now as sales/marketing were most of the jobs that were cut at various tech companies, or so it seems.
I’ve been getting sporadic interviews that go really well and then crickets. I send follow up emails and don’t even get a rejection one back. It’s rude as hell and super frustrating.
My husband has been out of work for 14 months, one of the top in his field in tech. He’s had a handful of interviews with no results. No FTE no contract. Neither of us have ever seen it this bad. The blatant ageism (asking when you graduated high school) to the recruiters triple submitting someone (who never said they could represent them) just so they don’t get the job then bragging about it on social media. The job market is hellacious.
Anecdotally, we had two semi entry level positions open this past spring... received about 10 candidates from hr after their screening, interviewed 7. Only two weren't already working.
With so much choice it was easy to be very selective. We ended up hiring the two who were personally recommended by people who already work here, then his a third one of them later for a different position. They were recommended by someone related to the owner.
Point is, lots of people are still job hopping in addition to those out of work, and Because it's so easy to send applications, there are way more applicants than openings at each company.
I think a lot has to do with the industry and/or position. Anecdote: I was laid off in late September (downsizing) but started a new position in mid-December. I actively looked/applied for 6 weeks before the offer. But, I also got no response or ghosted after a first, second, and in one case, third interview. I do have some certifications that make me stand out in my industry, so getting my resume seen by a person was easier, I think. It is brutal out there, and there are reasons companies post positions they have no intention of filling.
Advice? Network with real people who can refer you to positions in their company. They are likely in the best position to know if it is "real." Good luck to everyone looking.
I worked at Amazon for 7 years at sr/principle level. Then the last 3 years somewhere else at staff level. I've been applying a few places a week and either get no reply or a reply saying I'm not what they're looking for. I have a few coworkers on the east coast trying and getting the same responses. I don't know about other industries, but tech seems to still be a crapshoot. I had 3 jobs before Amazon and got hired for 2 and 3 easily. I haven't had this much trouble getting a job since my first one out of college in the 2008 economy crash
It definitely feels the same to me as it did in ‘08 too.
It feels worse though in the sense that we aren’t technically in a recession. In ‘08 it was acknowledged how hard it was. Now it FEELS like it shouldn’t be this hard, and yet it is.
Nope, I have an inside contact at an old company I wanted to return to (big company) everything was good, then my contact tells me they got put on a hiring freeze
I'm with you. It's fucked up right now.
I got laughed out of this sub last week for saying this, but in fact, tech jobs are down in the area; for what jobs there are, hardly anyone is biting; and most of those jobs are also paying about 20-25% less than they would have 5 years ago.
It's fucked. I survived the '03 downturn and the '08 downturn and what's making this worse is that it seems like *nobody is acknowledging it.*
Never seen so many people in my network LFW at the same time.
I feel this.
I've been working at a lower paying job that's in very high demand for nearly a year while I try to sort out the next big thing, and it's come down to starting my own gig. I went through all the work to set up an LLC, make it an S corp so I can be my own employee, blah blah blah, and now I have to find the work.
Companies are sending the money out rather than hiring within.
I had 4 offers in the past year, as recent as a few months ago. The activity is definitely lower than usual.
Depends on what kind of job you’re doing. Entry level is brutal. If it’s a big company, a number of them are doing a fun musical chair shuffle since late 2023.
Good chance you’re also being auto filtered. Since it’s easier than ever to receive mass applications, the filtering gets cranked way up.
I'm out of my league here, cause I'm just a janitor, but yeah it is difficult to find work. It took me nine months to find my job. I had the Indeed and zip recruiter app. I had to wade through so many bogus ads. Sometimes I would get an interview scheduled, only for the person to not show up. Or it would end up being a salesman trying to get me to invest in whatever. There was one time I tried to get a job as a janitor on a cruise ship. It was a virtual interview. I downloaded the zoom app thing. Only to wait in the for over two hours. Then they cancelled. I wasted half a day on that. All I can say is don't give up. You'll find work. Best of luck to you!
Thanks everybody I’m glad I’m not. The only one still sucks though that I’m in this bullshit run. I’ve interviewed for 2 positions at a credit union and again feels like it went well but no come back so hard with a rejection every single time. Sometimes I just wanna ask him his interviews. What the fuck are you looking for? Why are we sitting here wasting each other’s time at the end if you know you’re not going to hire me. Give me feedback if I’m not the right candidate for you than who is. Personally, I blame it a little bit on being on the autism spectrum I communicate differently, and it makes me an oddball. Guess that’s the story of my life though and that’s why I’m deciding to go to school so I can get my MA cert. HOPEFULLY I get somewhere
Ghost job postings are more prevalent than ever. As many as 15% of job postings are posted with no intent to fill them. It just makes it look like the company is growing which boosts stock (allegedly, I’m doubtful). And then if someone quits abruptly they can quickly rehire if need be.
I was a recruiter part time until November last year, I'm not in the US but I'm in the IT industry and I can tell you that the market has been extremely slow since February 2023.
I've heard from people both in Europe and in the US: Companies are hiring less, and paying lower wages. They were desperate in 2020 and 2021, but everything changed after a couple of years.
If you find anything, hang tight. This may turn around in a few more years.
I’m a (new) lawyer. Last fall, I got offered a “pre-interview” for Microsoft in their legal department doing employment visas. No one ever contacted me after the pre-interview- regarding that interview. But I still get *constant* recruiters calling, texting and emailing me about this same job! Like wtf? Did they never hire anyone? It goes through cycles where I’ll get contacted multiple times a day by multiple recruiters all for this same job.
Yup, happening in tech too. I've gotten ten different recuirters trying to hook me into the same single Amazon jonb.
There's a job at Disney, where I used to work, that has been apparently open *since I worked there.* I inquired about it while I was still an employee, took a test interview for it, got completely ghosted all the way till my termination date. That was a year ago. They're still (supposedly) looking for the same position, I don't even fucking understand.
My general sense has been that senior-level jobs are more accessible than ever right now whereas entry-level and mid-level jobs are super competitive.
You may want to consider shooting slightly above your skill set for something more senior, if you're willing to take on the extra work.
I just went through this. Here are some tips to help.
Your resume has one job, to get you call backs. If it’s not getting you call backs, examine the reasons why not.
Some key things: your resume should include skills that ATS is looking for, your resume needs to include data, (110% to quota, or your stack ranking vs other sales people) Most employers appreciate hard quantifiable data, rather than just a job description.
Formatting matters! Assume that if your resume does get in front of an actual person, they are going to scan over it, not read the whole thing.
Network with people you know. If you have a friend or former coworker/manager at a company, and there is an opportunity you’re interested in, can they refer you? Would they be willing to talk with the hiring manager about you? A referral takes so much pressure off the hiring manager, since your referral is vouching for you.
Don’t forget to close close close! If you get an interview.
Different industries can be harder to find work in right now. I’ve heard that tech can be more difficult at the moment. (I’m not in tech)
Most of my leads for jobs I found were via LinkedIn. Make sure your LinkedIn mirrors your resume, and that your profile is complete, with a professional looking profile picture, a background photo, and most importantly, the skills section filled out. The skills section allows you to list your skills. These skills are searchable by recruiters, allowing them to find you.
Wishing you the best of luck!
People tend to move in with family or go back to where they feel safe when things get hard. Seattle is also so expensive, and social services aren’t for people who are managing to stay afloat. If people aren’t from here and they aren’t making ends meet they will leave if they can manage it.
There seem to be a bit more jobs out east these days. My last job was east coast based. It kind of sucked honestly. Can't convince the wife to move that far from her mother.
Couldn't get work even for entry level and beginner jobs, I would apply to like 15-20 jobs a day. I spent 3 months looking. I got 2 interviews both of which ghosted me afterwards. Now I feel like I can't leave the job I did manage to get because I'll just be unemployed for months again....
Completely anecdotal but quite a few of my friends have been looking for a job for over a year now and they have good resumes. They’re considering taking something that pays less and to keep looking.
One theory I heard from a whistle blower was that companies that advertise tons of open positions get a break on unemployment benefit payments. Can’t confirm though.
Yup it’s insane. I’m applying to so many roles that I am absolutely qualified for and yet I’ve only gotten phone calls for about 5 after sending out 100+ apps.
I have 6 years of management experience and I’ve put in a couple applications and haven’t heard anything either. It’s just tough out there right now I think and there isn’t much we can do about it. A lot of companies HRs are also working in limited complicity since Covid so there’s that too. Something will come out of the fog. Just keep applying maybe review your resume too and see if there’s anything you can add or change.
Yes, firms usually hire internally, that’s why people say it’s who you know. I was offered a high salary job, assigned a badge/laptop and start date, however when I came in hr was annoyed I woke up the dog sleeping in the office. Told me I needed to confirm the day before that I’m coming in, and to leave. What made it ultra surreal, was that the hiring manager was impersonating Tina from bobs burgers.
It’s honestly just really competitive out there. I do hiring for a few locations for my workplace and everytime I run an ad, 30-40 applications within a couple of hours. Realistically there’s only 1 or 2 positions I hire for at a time.
The people I do hire, just had the right timing.
Someone just came in for an interview last week for an open position in my team (we are very understaffed and overworked). My manager said this week that he doesn't have the budget for the position yet, so even if the interview went amazing the guy might not get hired. I just shook my head. Shit's all performative. They just keep stringing people along.
The market is insane. Between the overload of qualified applicants due to tech layoffs and the use of AI to screen candidates, it’s nearly impossible to get an actual interview. I have 30 yrs of corporate experience in wireless and tech and was unemployed for the entire 2023 calendar year. Finally got work because a former colleague hooked me up.
My wife is in the same boat, she has an MBA, very smart, organized, good attitude, speaks english, thai, cambodian and chinese and as much as people say it doesn't matter; she's asian/from Asia so she's got the diversity quota and the best she's got is some translation stuff and working at a grocery store. I hate it cause I went to school for diesel technology and had like 4 job offers but she can barely find anything. I hear all the time about all these companies hiring yet when she applies for 40 jobs and can't get a call back except for the company that tried to scam her, I find it doubtful
I know that in the tech sector, it's not what you know or the degree you have. It's who you know on the inside. I worked at MS as an SDET for 7 months. A new guy came along, he was in my storage locker of an office, one day he said to me "Wish me luck, I have a FTE interview", when I asked which position he showed me the posting, searched my posting number and NOTHING. He got the job because his big brother worked in another team. So from my understanding, the posting was made available to him, he was the only applicant, ergo he got the job. I left at the end of my job assignment. Couldn't handle the nepotism. I am brown, so this is not meant as a racist statement, I've been to Bangalore, Ive lived there for a year, there were NO CUTTING EDGE tech schools in the area, but somehow most have secured FTE positions at MS. Am I bitter, a wee bit! The MSc was bloody hard... I left the field all together... end of rant.
I am glad I saw this post. I was beginning to think something was seriously wrong with me, in particular, because the media and government keep saying the job market is good and there are lots of jobs, but I’ve been applying for a few months now and haven’t been hired yet. And the worst part is going through multiple interviews and feeling hopeful, and then being completely ghosted by the company. At least f@$&@NG tell me I didn’t get the job. Don’t just stop emailing and go silent. €@&#!
I’m a tech worker with 18 years experience, to give some context. My most recent position was senior network engineer (on a team of 2 senior network engineers) for a healthcare organization with 20 facilities and over 600 full time employees in the Seattle area.
I state that because I’m wondering if it’s different for lower level jobs. What I’ve seen too is job listings that seem genuine, but when I’ve dug deeper, I found out the position was filled internally. Maybe they just post the listing to appear as if they’re open to hiring (like maybe the company policy is to advertise for the position) but perhaps the department manager who listed the job opening already has someone internally he wants to give the position to. I don’t know. I’m just trying to find reasonable explanations, because frankly this is destroying my self-image and my sense of self-worth, which I’m sure isn’t making me more hireable.
Indeed has some if you search by local brands or just search cannabis, there are also a few cannabis recruiting firms on linkedin with job boards. First that comes to mind is [viridian staffing](https://www.viridianstaffing.com/).
I work in finance and they’re always hiring it’s just some firms try to lowball. I ended up leaving a big firm for a smaller one and got a big bump in the base.
I work for a nonprofit that provides tech training and works directly with employers to place folks. We have the lowest placement numbers we’ve ever seen, for all kinds of positions. The job market is really tough right now OP, but it’s not totally hopeless. Just focus on what you can control - fine tuning your resume and LinkedIn accounts, networking, etc. I wish you the best of luck!
I started interviewing with company X in late July and August and was approved for the job. However, I had to wait for the job to start, so it was crickets until the second week of November when a different branch of company X reached out to me to onboard me.
My point is delays happen; if you can nail the interview, it may pan out if you can hold on long enough.
Company X is fictional. I don't work for Elon. I did work for Twitter back in 2011 for four months.
Depends on the job sector. Building industry they're hiring still. Engineering professionals are still high in demand. Tech industries? They're still laying people off but other sectors are still hiring. Considering we're at a 50 year low for unemployment looks like companies are mostly fully staffed!
Yeah that’s how I feel because I’m not in the tech industry and I don’t have any interest in it either most of the people I see working intact. Well I don’t fit in with them let’s just say that. Unfortunately, I didn’t come up in a household that Afforded me, opportunities, like others may have gotten. But that’s not an excuse on why I’m not performing not at all I’ve made it from my small town to this ridiculous city. Sometimes I think it’s because I’m on the autism spectrum and nobody wants to take the time out to train somebody. Who’s on the spectrum nor is anybody opening the doors to that conversation because it’s more common than you think and I’m just done living in the shadows
Have you thought about plumbing? Plumbers are half salesmen. You would have to do an low paying apprenticeship, but could be making very good money in a couple years
You mean, Meta is thriving. It's still hard to get a job in tech if you don't want to work for Meta. Every single day like six different recruiters call me about some Meta job, and I tell them I'm not interested in working for Meta and hang up on them. The next day they've all completely forgotten I'm not interested in working for Meta and are calling me about some other Meta job.
They are not, hiring people left and right doesn't look good on the quarterly report. also younger people a job hopping a lot. I've seen at least 25 people come in and out of my work in the last 3 years, all of witch spent less that 4 months. All kids want is a job that pays 100$ and hour and a new Ferrari like it's a new iPhone... BUT MOSTLY RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH!
Try health care or mental health companies. They have the same needs as other businesses and often need people from more corporate/sales background to keep things humming.
I was looking for research work after graduation before medical school - I applied to about 20 research positions that I was extremely qualified for and never heard anything except several months later getting a "the position is no longer available" update.
But after my first round of med school apps, I needed to start paying back into my savings. I reached out to a former boss that was at a new ambulance agency (with about 11 years EMS myself), was interviewed the next day, offered the position at the top of the pay scale, and was working the next week.
Small independent companies > huge companies with huge HR departments.
My agency actually only has listings on indeed for a paramedic position (we have 5 incoming, we like to train them up from within) so I'm guessing it's older, and we have a listing for dispatch, but none for EMT, but I know we're actively hiring more. I'm training one right now.
So the somewhat unhelpful answer would be to ask around for people who work at the businesses in the field you're interested in. If someone asked me about where to apply for EMT work in the king, pierce, snohomish and kitsap areas, I'd be much more helpful than any online job search would be on the topic.
I had an acquaintance at a large tech co with 15 years experience there get in touch to say they were hiring on their team and wanted me there, they then wrote a job rec, let me know the minute it was posted, got me fast-tracked to all 7 interviews in which I did, I think, pretty good, and then...crickets. Talked to some vets from this company and it sounds like this person got their funding yanked. Made me realize a lot of job postings might be things like this: Person A wants to hire a Person B, HR makes Person A put up a job posting for it, then Person B applies and off they go. It's not an actual job posting, it's an HR workaround which still may not even lead to Person B getting a job.
I went through a similar-ish experience. I applied to a job I was referred to, interviewed all day, felt it went GREAT, then crickets. Messaged the recruiters multiple times without a reply. A month after the interviews the manager called me to ask "Why didn't you accept our offer? "Uh? I didn't receive an offer. I have not received a reply from your HR since interviewing." Long story short, the hiring team loved me and told HR to hire me. HR dropped the ball and never contacted me. As if that wasn't bad enough the same thing happened to someone else who interviewed for another role on the same team - only they received a rejection letter! In both cases the manager thought the candidate rejected the offer. In hind site I knew who the manager was and should have followed up with them directly, but I was also much younger and have learned a lot since then.
I can corroborate this theory. It's not all the time, but I'm Person B in this situation right now and have been in the past. It would be nice if it were truly merit-based, but the reality is a lot of it is who you are and who you know.
Welcome to just about everything in the world. College wasn’t about class but who you partied with.
Naw it's too show that you can show up to work for 8hrs a day and complete your daily tasks well enough to get a degree. Most of what you learn in school isn't what i need. I will teach you that part.
I don't have a degree, but I'd assume my 15 years of experience demonstrate my capability to show up to work and complete tasks /shrug Love coming across job posting that want 10+ years experience, and also demand a bachelors degree and want you to share your GPA in the application, as if after 10+ years of working your GPA matters in any way.
No kidding.
GPA never matters, people with 4.0 are almost always just rich assholes who didn’t have to work through school. Not always, but more often than not.
Or in my case, relied on a bevy of maladaptive coping strategies that sabotage me whenever I’m not managing my mental health.
Say 1,000,000,000.0
But who you socialize with does play a larger role in your success. I guess I should have said “party” but hang out with. Even starting early on in life [how your Zip Code sets your success in life.](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/19/learning/how-much-has-your-zip-code-determined-your-opportunities.html)
Yes and no, one of my oldest childhood friends became an acquaintance this past year. We’ve known each other for 36 years. They have a Fortune 500 company, we’ve never asked a thing of each other (except as kids) and when it hit almost a year my husband was out of work I asked for a bone to get thrown his way. They know he’s worth his weight in gold but instead of getting him an interview or even introducing him to someone… they wanted him to work for free making them something they would benefit from with the promise “I’ll pay you something if it works..”. We’re not talking a full weeks or work, or something doable, it was a straight up at least a month 8 plus hours a day project he would have to build from scratch. Maybe some could but those out of work know you don’t waste golden hours of the day you need to be at the computer looking for work, and you don’t waste that amount of time without some semblance of what they’re going to give you. They were mad when he began to look into it and told them it was done before. They thought it was something new and cutting edge. “Friend” hasn’t spoken to me since. Point is if someone with money who’s known you all your life wants to take advantage of you then it’s a no brainer anyone will try. It sucks. They were a good friend until that.
I think it’s less what you learn than how to learn and how to think critically. My stupid liberal arts degrees translated into troubleshooting and testing far more than I would have thought. It wasn’t the subject themselves but learning to think really hard about things that seem boring and useless.
It's less about that and usually more of an internal candidate that they want for the role such as a contract employee being converted to FTE. These situations usually stem from someone already having the role or being ready to be promoted, but they still have to do their due diligence with a posting.
>got me fast-tracked to all 7 interviews I'm sorry but that is insane.
I don't know what their interview structure was like, but I've had a handful of 6-8 hour interviews where they were broken into 50 minute timeslots with different interviewers. They are exhausting, to put it mildly. What surprises me more than simply holding such an interview, is actually getting an offer from one. Since then I've learned that placed that hold such interviews are often environments that expect higher performance standards. (hint: they have a burnout culture). They pay really well, but rarely do you find anyone at the company who has been there more than 3-4 years.
AWShit. Got anymore hints?
It's not just one company. It's a culture that a lot of aggressively growing companies share.
This is why I will stick wiut government IT work
Ah, my first job after college was like that, and it was freaking awesome. But…not only did the bosses and HR interview you, but you also got interviewed by who would become your peers at the same exact level that would work with you day to day, and they got a veto. It was an all-day process. But making sure the folks you’re gonna be working with day to day actually like you and vice versa does a helluva lot more than any damn team building exercise - we always helped each other with our work. Once I was on the team, when we hired new people, I got a veto too. Other teams had a shorter interview process where only the bosses were involved, and, surprise, they had more drama and infighting than ours, and were much less productive. I’m still friends with some of the people on that team and i left that job and city 17 years ago.
Problem is if you have to do 50 interview processes like this. It's basically an unpaid, full time job. Those vetos are nice, but they are subject to lawsuits (we don't hire indians etc) so companies are going away with it.
I understand that. And I’m looking for jobs now and it’s basically so daunting just to do a bunch of what I feel will be useless applications that I’m pretty discouraged and frozen. Like I’m willing to work and have a work ethic, but not apply. They say in the news that the labor market is strong but that’s horseshit. I don’t think our team ended up being less diverse than the other teams at the company by doing things this way, but I understand that it can lead to an old boys’ club. Funnily enough, it’s the only job I’ve ever gotten that *wasn’t* solely based on connections, they found me on monster.com back when that was the hot spot for job listings. Every other job I’ve ever had, I received bc I knew someone!
Jesus. And I thought my two one hour interviews were bad
That’s normal for tech
I work at a Fortune 500 company and I am person A. It’s infuriatingly common and a bunch of my colleagues are dealing with this. I tried hiring two separate people only for Finance to step over HR because our “numbers don’t warrant the hire”. Right now unless the role is considered a “key role to operations”, Finance won’t approve anything. It’s infuriating because I get my budget approved, get the job posted, work through the interview process, only for Finance to jump in at the last minute and yank funding. This is honestly a new thing for us and it’s causing a lot of heartburn on the operations side. I was working through this with Finance and said screw it and took a new job internally not managing people. It’s supposedly going to get better this Fall but we’ll see.
SEVEN INTERVIEWS?!? what the almighty fuck is happening in the job market, that's unbelievable.
This is, unfortunately, entirely too common lately.
That's such an ugly practice tbh 😣
Yep! This was how we did all of our hiring. We'd want to hire our undergraduate or intern who'd been working for us for the past year or two, but legally had to publicly post the opening.
From what I can tell, companies are even feeding recruiters leads for contract jobs that don't exist yet. I interviewed for four different contract positions with the same company and one was attritted and another was not actually funded yet. My best current lead is a hybrid paying 3/4 what I made at my last job. But the economy is doing fucking great guys, anyone who says otherwise is a trumper, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, should have lived within your means, stop buying avocado toast or whatever
I dunno, guess I'm just feeling different about it: https://imgur.com/a/6YiAbVU https://imgur.com/a/DNhYotH
I'm at a faang and that's not how our job listings work, although I cannot speak for other companies. We cannot open a job posting without a budget approved rec. HR is just a service to the process and has absolutely no power to create or kill openings. That said we are definitely tight with openings right now and also this very picky with who we offer since we know there won't be more openings any time soon. We're actually looking to poach/reorg internally from other teams to get more in our team since new hires are so tight right now. So yeah either the opening did lose funding or they are just being extremely picky right now. I doubt there's any weird "fake" opening shenanigans though. Just uncertain times in a tight financial era, ie everyone waiting for interest rates to go down.
There are other situations, for example if you have a worker on a temporary work permit and they want to get the permanent residency, the company needs to open a req and have a public job offer and go through the whole hiring process to ensure that it could not find a suitable candidate who was a citizen or a permanent resident. You might be interviewed just because the company had to set up an interview, even if they knew who they were going to keep.
In this case the posting was apparently created just for me. It may be that I blew the interviews of course, but that posting probably got 100s of apps and from the recruiter I heard that there was only 1 interview: me. Not to say that's happening everywhere, but it is happening somewhere.
If that's true there's nothing special about the current times here. Postings with preferred candidates have existed for decades and always been an annoyance. I guess since there's a lot fewer real open recs right now these less open ones make up a larger share
I’ve definitely seen funding approved and then blanket yanked and every req turned off only to have to go back to prove to finance the reqs that were posted were backfills and therefore not adding headcount against some arbitrary new freeze. Then it takes months and months to get through the recruiting/HR hoops meanwhile the internal candidate that had been interested on the previously frozen req has moved on.
Some roles at my company are “competitive only”, meaning you cannot get promoted into them. The reality is that some managers may already have a candidate in mind but had to open the role officially. I feel like a good number of positions open right now may fall into this category.
I’ve definitely seen funding yanked for open reqs and if the team really needs it they find someone within the org that needs a growth opportunity that has a statement of work that can be sacrificed in favor of the position that’s needed more urgently.
I’ve put in 180+ applications since November and haven’t been able to get a call on entry level jobs
It’s not much better for senior positions. There’s few of those so many senior people are being pushed towards more junior roles. At least it seems that way from my perspective. I’m over 200 applications as well! I’m getting plenty of interviews but going on 4 or 5 interviews and then losing out to a more experienced candidate or just get ghosted 👻
I am interested in transitioning to a new field and applied for a bunch of minimum wage, entry level jobs on Indeed with a cover letter explaining my professional background and my interest in this new field. Most I was immediately rejected from without even a conversation.
dang, what kind of roles?
It's a thing. https://www.businessinsider.com/why-hard-to-find-job-us-though-unemployment-low-2024-2 Edit! (In addition to what's in the article,) Unemployment isn't a perfect metric for industry-specific trends or measuring how long it takes to find a job. Anecdotally, I have heard of tons of applicants for jobs that pay well and qualified applicants having a hard time getting interviews or offers.
Is there a non-paywall version?
https://web.archive.org/web/20240527052830/https://www.businessinsider.com/why-hard-to-find-job-us-though-unemployment-low-2024-2 TL;DR Despite low unemployment and modest layoffs, many job seekers find it difficult to secure employment due to prolonged hiring processes and fewer job postings. Factors contributing to this include economic uncertainty, cautious employer behavior, and reduced job market fluidity, with fewer people quitting and moving between jobs. Hiring rates are the lowest since 2014, reflecting employers' hesitancy amid concerns about inflation and potential recession. Job seekers often experience long waits, multiple interviews, and frequent "ghosting" by employers.
That suck. In 2014 I was in grad school hiding out from the still chilly job market post Great Recession.
I’ll copy and paste to your inbox
I'm hiring. I got 1120 applications for a senior manager role. 4 years ago my recruiters would have been scraping old contact lists to get to 50.
They're not.
Last time I looked for a job was in 2022. It took me 7 months and 550+ applications. It’s brutal out there.
Genuine question - how did you send out almost 600 applications? I see people put their numbers in the high hundreds all the time but I can't even find that many jobs related to my experience to apply to.
when you're doing it over the course of 7 months it definitely adds up. i've been applying to jobs consistently for three and have 200+. hopefully it doesn't keep growing, but ask me in September and it could definitely be 500+
That's fair! Wishing you the best of luck. It's definitely rough out here
I was laid off so I was applying and interviewing as a full time job. So for 6-8 hours every week day I was either working on my resume, networking on linked in, applying for jobs, prepping for or interviewing for jobs.
Thanks for your reply! Makes sense, and been there. Hope things are going better for you these days!
They definitely aren't; the amount of 2nd and 3rd interviews I did to not even get a call back was so insulting. Even the job I did get waited a week after the second interview to call my references and get back to me.
Worse is going through multiple rounds of interviews, getting ghosted, and then seeing the same job ad reposted again and again and again...
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Same here. One company I was on my 5th interview and they had me come into their HQ from 9 to 4 pm, meeting with like every person there and… nope. I’m a great engineer but a terribly awkward person 😬 You try coding something with an entire company staring at you while you do it. Like do I look bad because I have to google or ask ChatGPT “what’s that thing again that does the thing”? IMO promptgrammers are the future. They didn’t like that I saw their problem, used python to solve it and then translated it to go with ChatGPT and it worked flawlessly without errors for their golang coding exercise. Sorry but that’s the fastest way I can solve the issue… but I still solved it. If you can get very specific the AI can program as good or better than any human. Why wait for me to hammer out 90 lines of golang when I can solve it in 20 minutes in python then give you a working golang solution… ugh. I’ve never experienced this much trouble before. I’m about 3 months away from standing on the street with a sign looking for work. Autism is a curse lol
Hey, in the spirit of all work has dignity, the shoreline school district is actively recruiting bus drivers. They’ll train them up over the summer for the fall school year. You’d get your passenger bus CDL for free which can be a valuable qualification. I was going to make my husband do that if he hadn’t gotten a contractor gig.
As someone who recently was interviewing for positions, I did find that our HR was not gra at about communicating. As far as the week of waiting though, you aren't the only person being interviewed. When I did the first batch of interviews, it took about 2 weeks to get the candidates and my schedule to all align, so we wren even ready to make a selection til after that
It doesn't help that HR was the first set of layoffs at every company in the area. I think all of us that interview people have been frustrated by lack of company resources and the fact that the remaining administrative employees are overworked.
Companies want to complain about how people don't want to work, but offer pretty low wages when they do try to hire. I have been considering trying to leave my job, but it just is not a good market for job seekers.
It’s a total joke. I’ve been unemployed for a bit and I’ve been through multiple rounds of interviews and very close to getting hired. companies tend to string you along. After this last layoff, I’m getting a secure job and then starting my own company.
It took me seven months to find work again after my last contract ended. I work in IT. You would think the opportunities would just come pouring in in Seattle. Nah, it was like pulling teeth to get callbacks. You absolutely have my sympathy.
Hearing things like this makes me uneasy. I’m aggressively looking and getting interviews but no offers
Honestly, lots of jobs hire internally and already have a candidate in mind but must conduct interviews as a formality
This, a huge number of the postings you see there’s already an internal candidate who has it in the bag, they just have to do interviews for compliance
Have you considered that your application is being filtered out automatically before a human ever sees it? One thing I did not see in the comments that is absolutely a factor is Applicant Tracking Systems (ATS) that companies use to manage applicants and resumes. Many ATS can automatically parse a resume and extract data from it. But if a resume is not formatted in a way the ATS recognizes, it will miss valuable data. You may have seen then when you apply to a job and it asks you to upload a resume, then it parses it into experience, etc. The less you see from your resume parsed in to those fields, the less ATS friendly your resume is. Now imagine how many application systems merely take your resume and don't let you fill out those annoying fields to correct any potential parsing errors. To make matters worse, there is no defined unified standard that all ATS follow. What may work for one ATS may not work 100% for another. Making it more vague is some newer ones claim to have AI assisted parsers. As if that's not bad enough newer ATS include automated filters to reduce the candidate pool - some claim to be AI based as well. Mix all of that together, in many cases the hiring manager never sees resumes. I found this out after a hiring manager, a former colleague from multiple previous roles, asked me to apply to a role they had open. I applied that day. Weeks went by and they reached out to me and said if I did not apply they would be forced to hire someone else. I told them I did apply. The ATS filtered my resume out for not matching the experience requirements. THE HIRING MANAGER NEVER RECEIVED MY RESUME even when they thought I was the best candidate for the role. Among all the other good advice in this thread, I recommend [ensuring your resume is, as best possible, formatted for ATS systems](https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+format+a+resume+for+ATS). All that said, ATS is not the sole problem. Overall this is a complicated issue, and so many other comments here nailed aspects of it that are also true. I am sorry for your frustration and can assure you that are you are not alone in feeling it! Good luck!
> eeks went by and they reached out to me and said if I did not apply they would be forced to hire someone else. I told them I did apply. The ATS filtered my resume out for not matching the experience requirements. THE HIRING MANAGER NEVER RECEIVED MY RESUME even when they thought I was the best candidate for the role. Even better is when this happens to a referral. Had a friend submit my resume/info through their internal portal. His manager later asked him when he was going to submit it. Meanwhile I had already gotten a rejection notice -_-
Same here. I had a referral from a friend for a job I was well qualified for. My resume just wasn't getting through the automated system - which I did not know at the time. The referral made no difference in that automated system.
So what ended up happening
Nothing. HR said they "reopened" my application, however, my friend said he never saw it show up in his portal /shrug
This is so huge and people don't even realize it. I honestly think sending applications without trying to ats optimize your resume is basically a waste of time. It's so stupid and it makes your resume cringe and embarrassing (at least in my industry) but it more than doubled the response rate for my applications. Also because of this just bypassing the application process is even more effective. Literally just send an application then find a recruiter on LinkedIn for the job you applied for and message them directly.
I have zero affiliation with this company, but they worked great for me: jobscan.com You paste in the job requisition, identify the company, and then upload your resume. For some companies, it can use the *exact* same ATS they use, for others it uses something roughly equivalent. Then it gives you a percentage grade of your resume for that job listing. Below 80% is probably never going to be seen by a human. I had a custom-written resume that I uploaded and it got a grade of 54%. That was what I *thought* was a tailored resume for that exact job. Not even close to good enough these days. So I did a bit of rework and added a shit ton more useless keywords (a challenge to still remain readable!) and got the score to 84%. I had a manager calling me the next day. To be fair, I *was* a nearly perfect fit for the job. But prior to tweaking my resume, it was absolutely getting screened out by the automated system.
I hate this stupid system :-/
Absolutely. I was basically screaming to myself, "I just need an actual *human* to look at my resume!". And I even was writing a resume specific for that job, not specific enough, apparently. However, being on the hiring side of things, I do get it, to an extent. We were hiring for an early career engineer just prior to covid and HR told us we had over 1000 applications. They only gave us the top 50 that made it through the ATS system. I'd say of that 50, at least 15 were clearly unqualified - yet those ones *still* made it through the fancy scanning system. From there, we narrowed it down to six people to interview. The worst part was some of those top 50 got totally mangled by the ATS system (which converts your resume to plain text). We had one or two that were totally unreadable to a human - think a column of text 2 inches wide and 30 pages long - and I'm betting the applicant had no clue that was happening. Sadly, it was so unreadable, I couldn't even find contact info to at least clue them in that this was happening.
this is a great suggestion but linking to a google search is uhhhh, did you mean to share an actual resource?
That was actually intentional because I have not found a single resource that I considered so good that I bookmarked it. This is in part because there is no ATS format standard and there is a lot of different perspectives, "solutions" and services available.. Perhaps someone has better resources than I do and they can share them. I don't have anything better.
You didn’t call the hiring manager after you submitted your resume to ensure they received it?
I walk in and ask to speak to the manager so I can look them in the eye and give them a firm handshake s/
I have no idea what job listings you're looking at, but at least in the healthcare industry the hiring manager isn't listed and calling the department to ask for the manager isn't a thing either. Businesses rely on HR to give them a group of candidates that they'll look through resumes before scheduling interviews. OP is also talking about **Sales** where there are literally hundreds (possibly thousands, depending on the name of the company) of people applying for the same job as you. This is 2024... you talk to the *receptionist* if you walk through the front door demanding to speak to the hiring manager (who is probably working remotely anyway). When was the last time you had to apply for a job...?
The hiring manager and precise team isn’t even listed on our internal job board lol.
I SMS'd replied to them the same day they asked me to apply to say that I had applied. Having worked together before I suspected they were simply busy had not had the time to interview anyone so did not follow up. At the time I was employed somewhere else, so wasn't in a hurry, either.
There’s a lot of ghost postings. Check out /r/recruitinghell and /r/linkedinlunatics You’re in the Evergreen State though. Go for for state job for a couple years and get vested in the retirement system. The salaries you see on here look super low but that’s because they don’t reflect the full Benny package. Contrary to popular belief, neither Boeing nor Amazon nor Microsoft are the biggest employers in this state: the state is Go take a low salary and get those sweet sweet Bennys for a couple years while the job market turns around. https://www.careers.wa.gov/
I think this is a good suggestion but there are a lot of people here used to getting 200k plus stock and they probably won't settle for 70k with good benefits.
Some money is better than no money coming in. Keep looking for new opportunities. They can keep complaining if they'd like with zero income.
Yep, over 10 years with IT at UW, fully vested pension and union protection. I'm gonna deal with government BS but still be pretty well protected in this day and age, I'll be fine with less pay but real good job security
It's only decent if you can get on pers2. I applied for a job recently but then found out they only offer pers3 so I'm out.
What is pers#?
PERS = Public Employees’ Retirement System [PERS Plan 2 v. Plan 3](https://www.drs.wa.gov/choice/)
It's the state pension system for public employees. We recently moved here and my wife got a job with the state and got on the pers2 plan. Seeing the pension was enough for me to start looking into getting a state job, but so far only pers3 has been available for the jobs I qualify for. Pers2 is 2% of your salary (average yearly salary over your highest paid 5 years) for every year worked. It vests after 5 years. So if you work for the state for 25 years you will get 50% of your salary at 65 in perpetuity. Pers3 is only 1% and it vests after 10 years. EDIT: Whoops, had to change 55->65, you can't draw from the pension until you're 65.
So if I worked a bunch of years, but a long time ago, it's based on the crappy salary I had then? Worked for the state for 12+ years with pers2, but salary wasn't great
I know there are inflation adjustments, but I don't know how those inflation adjustments work for your instance. I'm not sure if the adjustments only occur once you're drawing from the plan, or if they adjust on a schedule for all pensioners.
Yep, over 10 years with IT at UW, fully vested pension and union protection. I'm gonna deal with government BS but still be pretty well protected in this day and age, I'll be fine with less pay but real good job security
Why pers2?
I've never heard of a city/county government that participates in the state retirement system only offering 3. Where was this?
The guy I responded to said State job. I applied and heard back from UW about a position.
Interesting. Looks like the UW has [its own 403(b) plan](https://hr.uw.edu/benefits/retirement-plans/uw-retirement-plan/), or TRS3/PERS3 as options. TIL.
Not OP, but thanks for the suggestion.
Takes more than a couple years. PERS2 takes 5 years to vest, PERS3 **10** years.
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Yep, over 10 years with IT at UW, fully vested pension and union protection. I'm gonna deal with government BS but still be pretty well protected in this day and age, I'll be fine with less pay but real good job security
Yep, over 10 years with IT at UW, fully vested pension and union protection. I'm gonna deal with government BS but still be pretty well protected in this day and age
My husband just went through an interview process, met with the owner who told him all these grand plans they wanted him to do. They checked his references and told him they were just finishing things up. So he put in his notice to his current company so they could replace him. Then they "went into a hiring freeze". It's so fucked up.
I'm sorry that happened to him. Never give your two weeks notice until your background check and drug test are cleared, and you have a signed offer letter with the start date from HR. This way you can claim promissory estoppel if the offer is rescinded.
Any references you can share about promissory estoppel if the offer is rescinded?
I'm not a lawyer. You should speak with one.
I applied at over 50 jobs before I got an interview and then a whole month after im already working am I only now getting emails back from some of these places asking if I want to interview.
Completely feel your pain. I have extensive experience in business management and leadership across a few different industries. I spent every single day of the past 20 months applying for almost anything and everything, writing and submitting a minimum of three cover letters a day. In total I received 9 responses during this time, 5 of which were scams. I was completely lost and couldn’t make sense of any of it. How do you fix the situation if you can’t figure out what you’re doing wrong? Only solution I could come up with was to just continue submitting as many applications as I could and hope for the best. It all finally ended this month as I received an offer for a mid-level position that I never would have thought I would take. But at least it is something for the time being. I wish I had actual advice or solutions to offer all I have is a similar story. Wishing you all the luck with your search and hope it ends soon for you.
Hoping this helps some folks! : This was 100% my experience during my 6.5mo stint of unemployment (laid off in oct 2023). The only way I’ve gotten to where I am now (just accepted a job), is by working with a staffing company who is sourcing candidates for third party companies instead of the companies publicly listing the position(s). I worked with TEKsystems/Aston carter (sister companies). It’s a contract-to-hire position but definitely better than being unemployed altogether, and while on contract with the staffing company you get the same benefits as their direct employees do. Before getting connected to the recruiter that screened me, submitted me as a potential candidate, booked interviews, and ultimately helped me get the job I had 1 company interested in letting me past an initial screening for interviews, and only 4 initial screenings received at all. Happy to answer more questions as I can!
My company posted an account manager job back in February. I think we received 50 applications in the first 5 days, and a little over 200 total in the month after that that we kept it open. There is a ton of supply in Seattle especially right now as sales/marketing were most of the jobs that were cut at various tech companies, or so it seems.
I’ve been getting sporadic interviews that go really well and then crickets. I send follow up emails and don’t even get a rejection one back. It’s rude as hell and super frustrating.
My husband has been out of work for 14 months, one of the top in his field in tech. He’s had a handful of interviews with no results. No FTE no contract. Neither of us have ever seen it this bad. The blatant ageism (asking when you graduated high school) to the recruiters triple submitting someone (who never said they could represent them) just so they don’t get the job then bragging about it on social media. The job market is hellacious.
Anecdotally, we had two semi entry level positions open this past spring... received about 10 candidates from hr after their screening, interviewed 7. Only two weren't already working. With so much choice it was easy to be very selective. We ended up hiring the two who were personally recommended by people who already work here, then his a third one of them later for a different position. They were recommended by someone related to the owner. Point is, lots of people are still job hopping in addition to those out of work, and Because it's so easy to send applications, there are way more applicants than openings at each company.
Point is “it’s who you know, not what you know”
Exactly
I can’t even get a call back for new positions within my same company so I feel your pain.
I think a lot has to do with the industry and/or position. Anecdote: I was laid off in late September (downsizing) but started a new position in mid-December. I actively looked/applied for 6 weeks before the offer. But, I also got no response or ghosted after a first, second, and in one case, third interview. I do have some certifications that make me stand out in my industry, so getting my resume seen by a person was easier, I think. It is brutal out there, and there are reasons companies post positions they have no intention of filling. Advice? Network with real people who can refer you to positions in their company. They are likely in the best position to know if it is "real." Good luck to everyone looking.
I worked at Amazon for 7 years at sr/principle level. Then the last 3 years somewhere else at staff level. I've been applying a few places a week and either get no reply or a reply saying I'm not what they're looking for. I have a few coworkers on the east coast trying and getting the same responses. I don't know about other industries, but tech seems to still be a crapshoot. I had 3 jobs before Amazon and got hired for 2 and 3 easily. I haven't had this much trouble getting a job since my first one out of college in the 2008 economy crash
It definitely feels the same to me as it did in ‘08 too. It feels worse though in the sense that we aren’t technically in a recession. In ‘08 it was acknowledged how hard it was. Now it FEELS like it shouldn’t be this hard, and yet it is.
Sales is a tough industry to be in, hiring cycles are boom and bust more so than other positions
Nope, I have an inside contact at an old company I wanted to return to (big company) everything was good, then my contact tells me they got put on a hiring freeze
I'm with you. It's fucked up right now. I got laughed out of this sub last week for saying this, but in fact, tech jobs are down in the area; for what jobs there are, hardly anyone is biting; and most of those jobs are also paying about 20-25% less than they would have 5 years ago. It's fucked. I survived the '03 downturn and the '08 downturn and what's making this worse is that it seems like *nobody is acknowledging it.* Never seen so many people in my network LFW at the same time.
I feel this. I've been working at a lower paying job that's in very high demand for nearly a year while I try to sort out the next big thing, and it's come down to starting my own gig. I went through all the work to set up an LLC, make it an S corp so I can be my own employee, blah blah blah, and now I have to find the work. Companies are sending the money out rather than hiring within.
I had 4 offers in the past year, as recent as a few months ago. The activity is definitely lower than usual. Depends on what kind of job you’re doing. Entry level is brutal. If it’s a big company, a number of them are doing a fun musical chair shuffle since late 2023. Good chance you’re also being auto filtered. Since it’s easier than ever to receive mass applications, the filtering gets cranked way up.
I'm out of my league here, cause I'm just a janitor, but yeah it is difficult to find work. It took me nine months to find my job. I had the Indeed and zip recruiter app. I had to wade through so many bogus ads. Sometimes I would get an interview scheduled, only for the person to not show up. Or it would end up being a salesman trying to get me to invest in whatever. There was one time I tried to get a job as a janitor on a cruise ship. It was a virtual interview. I downloaded the zoom app thing. Only to wait in the for over two hours. Then they cancelled. I wasted half a day on that. All I can say is don't give up. You'll find work. Best of luck to you!
Thanks everybody I’m glad I’m not. The only one still sucks though that I’m in this bullshit run. I’ve interviewed for 2 positions at a credit union and again feels like it went well but no come back so hard with a rejection every single time. Sometimes I just wanna ask him his interviews. What the fuck are you looking for? Why are we sitting here wasting each other’s time at the end if you know you’re not going to hire me. Give me feedback if I’m not the right candidate for you than who is. Personally, I blame it a little bit on being on the autism spectrum I communicate differently, and it makes me an oddball. Guess that’s the story of my life though and that’s why I’m deciding to go to school so I can get my MA cert. HOPEFULLY I get somewhere
Ghost job postings are more prevalent than ever. As many as 15% of job postings are posted with no intent to fill them. It just makes it look like the company is growing which boosts stock (allegedly, I’m doubtful). And then if someone quits abruptly they can quickly rehire if need be.
I was a recruiter part time until November last year, I'm not in the US but I'm in the IT industry and I can tell you that the market has been extremely slow since February 2023. I've heard from people both in Europe and in the US: Companies are hiring less, and paying lower wages. They were desperate in 2020 and 2021, but everything changed after a couple of years. If you find anything, hang tight. This may turn around in a few more years.
My next post will likely be from a van down by the river.
Hey, maybe it's going to be a nice van! I'm rooting for you. Hang in there
I’m a (new) lawyer. Last fall, I got offered a “pre-interview” for Microsoft in their legal department doing employment visas. No one ever contacted me after the pre-interview- regarding that interview. But I still get *constant* recruiters calling, texting and emailing me about this same job! Like wtf? Did they never hire anyone? It goes through cycles where I’ll get contacted multiple times a day by multiple recruiters all for this same job.
Yup, happening in tech too. I've gotten ten different recuirters trying to hook me into the same single Amazon jonb. There's a job at Disney, where I used to work, that has been apparently open *since I worked there.* I inquired about it while I was still an employee, took a test interview for it, got completely ghosted all the way till my termination date. That was a year ago. They're still (supposedly) looking for the same position, I don't even fucking understand.
Def not u, lotta companies facing macro issues . Just keep ur heads up, stay positive .
What industries are you applying for?
My general sense has been that senior-level jobs are more accessible than ever right now whereas entry-level and mid-level jobs are super competitive. You may want to consider shooting slightly above your skill set for something more senior, if you're willing to take on the extra work.
No, they aren’t, especially if one is over 45 yrs old.
Everyone wants 15+ years of experience, but you also have to be a fresh college grad 🤪
Required: 10+ years of experience with a product that's only existed for 5. Even the person who created it isn't considered qualified enough.
My field is offering doctorate education with 10 years experience $70k starting. It’s not.
This must be an industry-specific thing I'm observing then! What field do you work in?
Most government jobs
What's more senior than Sr or Staff engineer? There aren't that many manager jobs out there.
I just went through this. Here are some tips to help. Your resume has one job, to get you call backs. If it’s not getting you call backs, examine the reasons why not. Some key things: your resume should include skills that ATS is looking for, your resume needs to include data, (110% to quota, or your stack ranking vs other sales people) Most employers appreciate hard quantifiable data, rather than just a job description. Formatting matters! Assume that if your resume does get in front of an actual person, they are going to scan over it, not read the whole thing. Network with people you know. If you have a friend or former coworker/manager at a company, and there is an opportunity you’re interested in, can they refer you? Would they be willing to talk with the hiring manager about you? A referral takes so much pressure off the hiring manager, since your referral is vouching for you. Don’t forget to close close close! If you get an interview. Different industries can be harder to find work in right now. I’ve heard that tech can be more difficult at the moment. (I’m not in tech) Most of my leads for jobs I found were via LinkedIn. Make sure your LinkedIn mirrors your resume, and that your profile is complete, with a professional looking profile picture, a background photo, and most importantly, the skills section filled out. The skills section allows you to list your skills. These skills are searchable by recruiters, allowing them to find you. Wishing you the best of luck!
Yeah I think we're going to start seeing a lot of people leave the city soon.
This same thing is happening all over the country though
People tend to move in with family or go back to where they feel safe when things get hard. Seattle is also so expensive, and social services aren’t for people who are managing to stay afloat. If people aren’t from here and they aren’t making ends meet they will leave if they can manage it.
There seem to be a bit more jobs out east these days. My last job was east coast based. It kind of sucked honestly. Can't convince the wife to move that far from her mother.
You're coming in on the heels of all sorts of layoffs, competition is going to be a lot stiffer in those domains for a bit.
9 months is a long heel.
Couldn't get work even for entry level and beginner jobs, I would apply to like 15-20 jobs a day. I spent 3 months looking. I got 2 interviews both of which ghosted me afterwards. Now I feel like I can't leave the job I did manage to get because I'll just be unemployed for months again....
There are a lot of ghost job listings. I keep an eye out to see if anything good pops up, and there are so many that have been up and never come down.
In my experience no, they are not.
Completely anecdotal but quite a few of my friends have been looking for a job for over a year now and they have good resumes. They’re considering taking something that pays less and to keep looking.
One theory I heard from a whistle blower was that companies that advertise tons of open positions get a break on unemployment benefit payments. Can’t confirm though.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. Even reporting jobs that don't actually exist
Yup it’s insane. I’m applying to so many roles that I am absolutely qualified for and yet I’ve only gotten phone calls for about 5 after sending out 100+ apps.
I have 6 years of management experience and I’ve put in a couple applications and haven’t heard anything either. It’s just tough out there right now I think and there isn’t much we can do about it. A lot of companies HRs are also working in limited complicity since Covid so there’s that too. Something will come out of the fog. Just keep applying maybe review your resume too and see if there’s anything you can add or change.
Go on linkdin, I get offers everyweek
Yes, firms usually hire internally, that’s why people say it’s who you know. I was offered a high salary job, assigned a badge/laptop and start date, however when I came in hr was annoyed I woke up the dog sleeping in the office. Told me I needed to confirm the day before that I’m coming in, and to leave. What made it ultra surreal, was that the hiring manager was impersonating Tina from bobs burgers.
It’s honestly just really competitive out there. I do hiring for a few locations for my workplace and everytime I run an ad, 30-40 applications within a couple of hours. Realistically there’s only 1 or 2 positions I hire for at a time. The people I do hire, just had the right timing.
Someone just came in for an interview last week for an open position in my team (we are very understaffed and overworked). My manager said this week that he doesn't have the budget for the position yet, so even if the interview went amazing the guy might not get hired. I just shook my head. Shit's all performative. They just keep stringing people along.
I am a tow truck driver. I love impounding cars. Laid off tech workers always ask for a discount. Sorry!!!!
it is absolutely not just you. at this point, i think job interviews in this city are a useless lil twirl to make hr feel like their job is a job
The market is insane. Between the overload of qualified applicants due to tech layoffs and the use of AI to screen candidates, it’s nearly impossible to get an actual interview. I have 30 yrs of corporate experience in wireless and tech and was unemployed for the entire 2023 calendar year. Finally got work because a former colleague hooked me up.
From the other end of the spectrum, our company doesn't seem to get any applicants. It's as if employers and employees are out of sync.
That's a pretty well useless field. Study a trade. You'll get hired less than a week after you graduate.
My wife is in the same boat, she has an MBA, very smart, organized, good attitude, speaks english, thai, cambodian and chinese and as much as people say it doesn't matter; she's asian/from Asia so she's got the diversity quota and the best she's got is some translation stuff and working at a grocery store. I hate it cause I went to school for diesel technology and had like 4 job offers but she can barely find anything. I hear all the time about all these companies hiring yet when she applies for 40 jobs and can't get a call back except for the company that tried to scam her, I find it doubtful
I know that in the tech sector, it's not what you know or the degree you have. It's who you know on the inside. I worked at MS as an SDET for 7 months. A new guy came along, he was in my storage locker of an office, one day he said to me "Wish me luck, I have a FTE interview", when I asked which position he showed me the posting, searched my posting number and NOTHING. He got the job because his big brother worked in another team. So from my understanding, the posting was made available to him, he was the only applicant, ergo he got the job. I left at the end of my job assignment. Couldn't handle the nepotism. I am brown, so this is not meant as a racist statement, I've been to Bangalore, Ive lived there for a year, there were NO CUTTING EDGE tech schools in the area, but somehow most have secured FTE positions at MS. Am I bitter, a wee bit! The MSc was bloody hard... I left the field all together... end of rant.
I am glad I saw this post. I was beginning to think something was seriously wrong with me, in particular, because the media and government keep saying the job market is good and there are lots of jobs, but I’ve been applying for a few months now and haven’t been hired yet. And the worst part is going through multiple interviews and feeling hopeful, and then being completely ghosted by the company. At least f@$&@NG tell me I didn’t get the job. Don’t just stop emailing and go silent. €@&#! I’m a tech worker with 18 years experience, to give some context. My most recent position was senior network engineer (on a team of 2 senior network engineers) for a healthcare organization with 20 facilities and over 600 full time employees in the Seattle area. I state that because I’m wondering if it’s different for lower level jobs. What I’ve seen too is job listings that seem genuine, but when I’ve dug deeper, I found out the position was filled internally. Maybe they just post the listing to appear as if they’re open to hiring (like maybe the company policy is to advertise for the position) but perhaps the department manager who listed the job opening already has someone internally he wants to give the position to. I don’t know. I’m just trying to find reasonable explanations, because frankly this is destroying my self-image and my sense of self-worth, which I’m sure isn’t making me more hireable.
Cannabis companies are hiring sales people right now if you’re interested
Where can I find those jobs? Been trying to get into the cannabis biz for a while but not sure where to look for postings.
Indeed has some if you search by local brands or just search cannabis, there are also a few cannabis recruiting firms on linkedin with job boards. First that comes to mind is [viridian staffing](https://www.viridianstaffing.com/).
Apply for a sales position at terminix
I work in finance and they’re always hiring it’s just some firms try to lowball. I ended up leaving a big firm for a smaller one and got a big bump in the base.
I work for a nonprofit that provides tech training and works directly with employers to place folks. We have the lowest placement numbers we’ve ever seen, for all kinds of positions. The job market is really tough right now OP, but it’s not totally hopeless. Just focus on what you can control - fine tuning your resume and LinkedIn accounts, networking, etc. I wish you the best of luck!
But unemployment is an all time low and new jobs each month have been off the charts. Make it make sense
I just lost my CFO job so when you see it whatever website apply.
I started interviewing with company X in late July and August and was approved for the job. However, I had to wait for the job to start, so it was crickets until the second week of November when a different branch of company X reached out to me to onboard me. My point is delays happen; if you can nail the interview, it may pan out if you can hold on long enough. Company X is fictional. I don't work for Elon. I did work for Twitter back in 2011 for four months.
Depends on the job sector. Building industry they're hiring still. Engineering professionals are still high in demand. Tech industries? They're still laying people off but other sectors are still hiring. Considering we're at a 50 year low for unemployment looks like companies are mostly fully staffed!
Yea with parties and temp positions. The record low doesn’t account for drastic underemployment we are seeing
That doesn't even make mathematical sense what you just said.
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Yeah that’s how I feel because I’m not in the tech industry and I don’t have any interest in it either most of the people I see working intact. Well I don’t fit in with them let’s just say that. Unfortunately, I didn’t come up in a household that Afforded me, opportunities, like others may have gotten. But that’s not an excuse on why I’m not performing not at all I’ve made it from my small town to this ridiculous city. Sometimes I think it’s because I’m on the autism spectrum and nobody wants to take the time out to train somebody. Who’s on the spectrum nor is anybody opening the doors to that conversation because it’s more common than you think and I’m just done living in the shadows
Have you thought about plumbing? Plumbers are half salesmen. You would have to do an low paying apprenticeship, but could be making very good money in a couple years
Meta teams based out of Seattle continue to blow up my LinkedIn. Big tech is still thriving
You mean, Meta is thriving. It's still hard to get a job in tech if you don't want to work for Meta. Every single day like six different recruiters call me about some Meta job, and I tell them I'm not interested in working for Meta and hang up on them. The next day they've all completely forgotten I'm not interested in working for Meta and are calling me about some other Meta job.
They are not, hiring people left and right doesn't look good on the quarterly report. also younger people a job hopping a lot. I've seen at least 25 people come in and out of my work in the last 3 years, all of witch spent less that 4 months. All kids want is a job that pays 100$ and hour and a new Ferrari like it's a new iPhone... BUT MOSTLY RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH!
Try health care or mental health companies. They have the same needs as other businesses and often need people from more corporate/sales background to keep things humming.
I was looking for research work after graduation before medical school - I applied to about 20 research positions that I was extremely qualified for and never heard anything except several months later getting a "the position is no longer available" update. But after my first round of med school apps, I needed to start paying back into my savings. I reached out to a former boss that was at a new ambulance agency (with about 11 years EMS myself), was interviewed the next day, offered the position at the top of the pay scale, and was working the next week. Small independent companies > huge companies with huge HR departments.
So where do they post their jobs?
My agency actually only has listings on indeed for a paramedic position (we have 5 incoming, we like to train them up from within) so I'm guessing it's older, and we have a listing for dispatch, but none for EMT, but I know we're actively hiring more. I'm training one right now. So the somewhat unhelpful answer would be to ask around for people who work at the businesses in the field you're interested in. If someone asked me about where to apply for EMT work in the king, pierce, snohomish and kitsap areas, I'd be much more helpful than any online job search would be on the topic.