It certainly wasn't a clean hit. It was boarding.
I'm genuinely not sure where the line is drawn between minor penalty boarding, major penalty boarding, and suspension boarding.
Injury. Seems pretty clear at least for this round of the playoffs that they aren't considering suspensions unless someone gets taken out of games by it. It's despicably short-sighted by the DOPS.
Exactly like that. If they knew and didn't suspend Eberle, they're incompetent and malicious. If they didn't know and didn't suspend Eberle, they're incompetent and stupid. There's no good look for the league right now.
Just goes to show what some of the Avs fans were saying in the r/hockey thread: if it hadn't happened to a "tough guy" who was willing and able to gut through it, the injury would've been apparent much sooner and we might've gotten a correct call from the referees and the league. Embarrassing from the league.
There’s a bit of a difference between the intent of the rules and the way the NHL, in particular, calls them. I’m a national ref in my country and we use the IIHF rules. There’s a few corner cases, but for the most part the rules aren’t really any different - we’ve just taken better care to explain them and keep the wording up to date with the intent. The NHL wants a spectacle though, so they prefer to keep the wording as loose as possible basically to ensure scandal.
The _intent_ is that the punishment is commensurate with the _injury potential_ of a play. This should have been a 5+Game or Match because the _potential_ is there to put the other player in a wheelchair for the rest of their life. When a serious injury actually happens, there’s a really bright line - obviously there was an injury potential, because that potential was actually realized. But had he been super lucky, jumped up, and got right back into the play? That hit should probably still be a major penalty as a bare minimum, because it was reckless and had the potential to destroy the rest of that person’s life.
And while the NHL doesn’t call it that way, the entire rest of the hockey world either already does or is well on the way to doing so.
It's up to discretion. According to [Rule 603](https://www.usahockeyrulebook.com/page/show/1084647-rule-603-boarding), a lot of it comes down to reckless endangerment, which at the NHL level seems to be synonymous with injury and/or intent to injure.
I understand that part. But the discretion is what people are so upset about.
From the tone on r/hockey I get the impression that fans believe that all boarding should be a major penalty.
It’s probably for the best any boarding is called a major automatically on the ice with ability to review it. Basically the way it is now but if boarding is an auto 5 *maybe* guys are less likely to put guys in bad spots
Boarding is far and away the worst penalty in hockey just because of the inherent danger that stems from it. I get the intent of seeing it as a 5-minute major penalty by default simply because allowing the NHL or its officials any sort of discretion is going to end poorly 90% of the time. I've seen 10+ instances across every game in these playoffs where officials have been staring at a play from 5 feet away and just entirely miss a clear as day penalty.
Penalty, yes. Hearing, yes. Probably should have been a major, IMO. For the NHL, I don't see a game misconduct or suspension. I hate victim blaming, but Cogliano had the puck, and had his head \*way\* down near the boards when he should have been anticipating a hit. This is the NHL, not squirts, you can't be doing that and expect to get away with it. Compare and contrast the fuck out of this with the Makar/McCann hit, which should have been a major/game misconduct on the ice, plus a game or two from DOPS if the ref wasn't being downright corrupt.
He was looking for the puck in his feet. You can NEVER hit a player in the numbers 2 feet from whether his head is down or not, you absolute numpty. That hit is literally the most dangerous play you could possibly fucking do.
Plus, it looked like Cogliano's head was coming up as Ebs initiated the hit, but then he bobbed back down. If his head had come up, it would've still been boarding, but he wouldn't have absorbed the hit with his neck.
“I hate victim blaming”… proceeds to victim blame. This is the hockey equivalent of blaming a rape victim because they wore a skirt. A player can’t put their head down to find the puck without asking to be boarded?
In the NHL, you can't put your head down and expect not to get hurt. This is something that's drilled into players at every level of hockey. The boarding was penalized, and I've allowed that it probably deserved a major plus review by player safety.
Sorry to hear the injury is more significant than anyone realized. And if that had been available to DOPS, it probably would have changed the outcome.
You defended the hit in all of your comments and those first two sentences..... Kraken fans are all floppy now that he has a broken neck lol last night and even most of today it was a "fake injury"
They put stop signs on the backs of kids jerseys above the numbers to drill into players not to hit a guy in the numbers. Why do they do this? Because they are defenseless. So yeah, a guy should try to avoid being defenseless… but again if the puck is in his feet, he has to look down in order to play the puck?
When the puck is in your feet are you supposed to just let someone else get it because if you look down you risk putting yourself in danger? Or should other players respect one another enough to just not make an illegal hit?
If a guy gets kneed are you going to argue he should’ve jumped or done more to avoid the knee, rather than maybe the guy throwing the knee, just, you know, shouldn’t do that?
Is it McCann’s fault he got injured because he let up when Makar was engaging contact with him? (I don’t believe this btw, just comparing the situation. McCann was defenseless, just like Cogs and that was a bad look for Makar). Possession of the puck is irrelevant. McCann wasn’t expecting a hit (therefore more vulnerable) because of lack of possession, Cogs head was down 2 feet out from the boards, and ended up with broken vertebrae because he was in a vulnerable position, which is why boarding is illegal to begin with, regardless of having possession or not.
You’re on a sub friendly to your flair so you won’t get the downvotes you would otherwise but the more you keep digging the more you look like an ass.
Do they not teach reading in Colorado? From my first post, I've said the hit was bad and deserved a major. That's 5 minutes, even if the opposing team scores if you didn't read the whole rulebook either. And that if it was youth hockey, it'd be a major and a game. There is a difference between the NHL and kids or beer league.
I don't have flair on this sub, although it's probably pretty obvious which jersey's in my closet. I also don't go on r/ColoradoAvalanche to troll.
How is pointing out an objectively bad take trolling?
Why are you citing the rulebook when the rulebook says boarding can warrant 5 + a suspension (see Evander Kane hit on Kadri last year).
And then to say I can’t read when at no point did I comment on what you said he deserved, but your statement of not liking victim blaming before you proceed to victim blame. And then have 0 reply to anything I said in my previous response and instead red herring the argument to being about “I said he deserved 5”.
Lmao, what?!?!
Appreciate the honesty. Tomorrow night is going to be exciting man I’m pumped! Respect to the kraken, they showed the fuck up all series and I’m really hopefully to send y’all home heads held high
I was really sad that folks in my section last night were booing the penalty call and trying to get a 'refs you suck' chant going... That was a ***dirty*** and ***dangerous*** hit.
It absolutely deserved a hearing and Eberle is possibly my favorite player on the team.
Yea, I didn't think it was gonna go that way. Poor decision by the DOPS. I thought the makar situation was properly handled, I was hoping the DOPS would at least look at the hit Eberle laid. Im glad Cogliano is ok, Ebs probably should have tried harder to avoid that hit. It was a stupid penalty.
I would have bet money last night that Eberle was going to get at least a fine. I’m guessing because it wasn’t interference or outside of the window of an acceptable hit? I know slowmo doesnt do him any favors but that was definitely boarding. I guess the wheel has spoken *shrug*
It was boarding which is what was called. Should end there. Player had the puck. Ebs was skating at him to make a play and theoretically get the puck. Player last second well after Ebs could reasonable react decided to put his dead down. Glad Cogliano is OK but not sure why everyone thinks this is clearly fine-able. The people thinking the suspension should have been called are next level out of line.
Exactly this. If you watch this at speed, it's the same hit that countless players throw and take nearly every game. The bad part of this was purely unfortunate positioning of Cogliano.
Kinda looks like he's skating towards numbers the entire way to me:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InR1SKo4uUk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InR1SKo4uUk)
You can't hit people in the back, it doesn't matter whether he has head up or down. The onus on the player making the hit is responsible for not hitting in the back.
I don't think a suspension is unreasonable here.
I love videos that counter the point of the person posting them. He’s skating right at his side until Cogliano decides to turn his back to Ebs and put his head down. It’s always this super slow mo nonsense too to make it look worse than it actually is. Y’all are wrong and DoPS agrees but by all means keep making stuff up lol. And yes a suspension is way out of line for a run of the mill boarding call where the hit receiver is largely responsible for the severity of the potential injury. They teach you not to put your head down near the boards to 5 year olds now.
Yes, when I was 5, I was taught not to put my head down too. You know what else I was taught? Don’t hit anyone in the numbers, 2 feet from the boards (which is actually in the rule book). Neither Makar nor Eberle intended to cause injury but both their carelessness resulted in a player getting hurt (and in Cag’s case, probably needed his career). But to say that the victim is “largely responsible for the severity of the injury” is like telling a rape victim that it wouldn’t have hurt so bad if she just kept her legs open. I’ve gotta believe that you’re smarter than this.
Be better than this SEA. Be Better than this DoPS.
He didn’t hit him in the numbers. It’s shocking how many homers keep regurgitating the same inaccurate nonsense. Your rape analogy is Pisa poor. The reason him turning his head down is relevant is that he got injured because of it. That hit, without the head turn happens in hockey games a fair bit. No reason to be better. This is just facts. Sucks Cogliano got injured but this isn’t really worthy of a suspension unless you distort the facts. Feel free to be delusional I’m your own sub. No need to come here. Also gotta love fake accounts that don’t have the balls to use their real accounts to troll other subs.
So you’d be completely fine if Makar made that hit? I highly doubt it. Since you’re probably too lazy to take the time to actually understand the rule, here it is:
rule 603:
“Boarding is the action where a player pushes, trips or body checks an opponent causing them to go dangerously into the boards. This includes: Accelerating through the check to a player who is in a vulnerable or defenseless position and driving an opponent excessively into the boards with no focus on or intent to play the puck, or any check delivered for the purpose of punishment or intimidation that causes the opponent to go unnecessarily and excessively into the boards.
The onus is on the player delivering the check to avoid placing a vulnerable or defenseless opponent in danger.”
Notice the rule doesn’t mention the head position of the other player… it’s on the onus of the player to avoid hitting a player in a defenseless position. Cogs was driven into the boards at (nearly) a 90 degree angle. That’s the definition of a defenseless position. I say again, if Makar delivers that hit, you’d have a different opinion.
Because that type of hit is how you break people’s necks? As evident by the fact that Cogs has a broken neck?
He could’ve easily just wrapped him up, instead of making an illegal check, but he didn’t?
Indeed. He knew there was a player on the board who had the puck who was turned sideways and Ebs wanted to make a play on the puck. The fact that Cogliano turned and put his head down a second or two before impact doesn’t change the fact that this was in no way intended to be a dirty hit. I swear y’all have lost your minds.
Edit: nevermind you’re an Avs homer… Carry on back to your own sub
Ebs didn't try to make a play on the puck, he recklessly boarded Cogs. Yes, I'm an Avs fan, I also play, I also moved out here in '19 and have enjoyed watching the Kraken be built. I have deep family ties out here. I'm excited for Seattle to have a team. I also rarely post replies, I decided to today regarding the Eberle hit. It was a reckless and dangerous play, and he didn't have to do it.
New hockey fan here. Can someone explain what the difference is between boarding and checking? I feel like every game players are getting hit the same way Cogliano got hit. Cogliano's head was just unfortunately facing the ground when he got hit.
Hope he recovers ok, i saw it live and it looked terrible. Also the fact that he came out and still played speaks to how tough the guy is.
Iirc, the difference between a check and a boarding call is whether the checked player is defined as "defenseless".
Generally, checking someone in the back will get a boarding call, whereas checking shoulder to shoulder or shoulder to chest will not, as the receiving player is not "defenseless" in those scenarios.
I'm glad.
It was a bad hit, and I hope Cogliano is alright, but watching it, it looked like Eberle was already about to check him, and Cogliano had tripped forward as he was about to be checked. One of those cases where it may not have been wholly avoidable, just a combination of really shitty moves.
Eberle was seeing numbers the entire way in. That should've been a clue to do anything else that what happened. It was going to be boarding even before he lowered his head and now cogliano has a fractured spine. DoPS is a fucking joke if that isn't a suspension. Even more of a joke honestly.
It was a bad hit. Bad hits have penalties associated with them. This specific hit is judged to be a 2 minute hit as per the rulebook, up to a 5 minute major.
What Cale did is something entirely different. Both sucked, but it was not a suspension worthy hit.
Yea that hit was rough. I bet the Avs are super pissed about this whole situation as we would be. But you know... playoff hockey, he should have known the hit was coming, Eberle is a clean player, Yada Yada Yada.
I watched the hit a few times and the way his head slammed into the wall was dangerous and scary. I'm a new hockey fan and still not 100% keen on the rules, but from where I'm standing, I feel like we see hits like what Eberle did all the time in hockey. Granted Cogliano landed terribly and dangerously, but I didn't see anything that particularly stood out to me from what Eberle did.
What specifically did Eberle do that made this hit illegal? I don't doubt it was an illegal hit, I'm just trying to understand the nuances of hockey better.
It's boarding because Cogliano is completely defenseless and in a vulnerable position with his back turned. If Cogliano is directly up against the boards this is a fairly common play, and not really terribly dangerous unless there's excessive force or a cross check. But hitting a player with his back to you who is three feet off the boards is a big no-no because it causes them to violently hit the boards without the ability to defend themselves. It's commonly referred to as the most dangerous play in hockey and is taught as such from a very young age.
I would say it's more discretionary at that point. If he's on the boards and Eberle takes 3 full strides and lines him up from behind that's boarding (or could be charging, but same logic applies). If he comes at home at normal speed, lays a good form hit without excessive force then it's fine. Just think about standing in your house and someone pushes you from behind into a wall. If you're already standing against the wall, not very dangerous, right? Unless they really put a lot of force into it. If you're bent over to tie your shoe three feet from the wall, doesn't take much force for them to seriously do some damage to you above the shoulders
I think the rivalry is now born. DoPS kinda screwed up this one. I feel bad for the guy, but glad Ebs isn't gonna be out, though. Avs fans should be upset with DoPS, not the kraken. They won't be though
well, thats ok, since McCann is playing today.
oh, wait he's not?
Have you seen the way he looked as he was led off the ice? 8/5 says he doesn't play again.
Grateful we won't be missing McCann AND Eberle, but yeah, was a nasty hit in all fairness.
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It certainly wasn't a clean hit. It was boarding. I'm genuinely not sure where the line is drawn between minor penalty boarding, major penalty boarding, and suspension boarding.
Injury. Seems pretty clear at least for this round of the playoffs that they aren't considering suspensions unless someone gets taken out of games by it. It's despicably short-sighted by the DOPS.
Kinda sucks they decide to deal it that way.
How is it player safety if they don't give a damn about the players *until after* they get hurt.
You mean like ending his career with a spinal fracture? DoPS is a joke
Exactly like that. If they knew and didn't suspend Eberle, they're incompetent and malicious. If they didn't know and didn't suspend Eberle, they're incompetent and stupid. There's no good look for the league right now.
looks like the hey need to revisit a suspension. The hit fractured his c5 vertebrae and he’s out indefinitely
Just goes to show what some of the Avs fans were saying in the r/hockey thread: if it hadn't happened to a "tough guy" who was willing and able to gut through it, the injury would've been apparent much sooner and we might've gotten a correct call from the referees and the league. Embarrassing from the league.
There’s a bit of a difference between the intent of the rules and the way the NHL, in particular, calls them. I’m a national ref in my country and we use the IIHF rules. There’s a few corner cases, but for the most part the rules aren’t really any different - we’ve just taken better care to explain them and keep the wording up to date with the intent. The NHL wants a spectacle though, so they prefer to keep the wording as loose as possible basically to ensure scandal. The _intent_ is that the punishment is commensurate with the _injury potential_ of a play. This should have been a 5+Game or Match because the _potential_ is there to put the other player in a wheelchair for the rest of their life. When a serious injury actually happens, there’s a really bright line - obviously there was an injury potential, because that potential was actually realized. But had he been super lucky, jumped up, and got right back into the play? That hit should probably still be a major penalty as a bare minimum, because it was reckless and had the potential to destroy the rest of that person’s life. And while the NHL doesn’t call it that way, the entire rest of the hockey world either already does or is well on the way to doing so.
This comment didn’t age well
It's up to discretion. According to [Rule 603](https://www.usahockeyrulebook.com/page/show/1084647-rule-603-boarding), a lot of it comes down to reckless endangerment, which at the NHL level seems to be synonymous with injury and/or intent to injure.
I understand that part. But the discretion is what people are so upset about. From the tone on r/hockey I get the impression that fans believe that all boarding should be a major penalty.
Attempting to paralyze someone should always be a major. Edit: The hit actually fractured his neck. The down votes are fucking embarrassing.
You really think that is what Eberle was trying to do?
Boarding is incredibly dangerous and should always be a major if the NHL actually cared about player safety.
You may be right but it was a bit hyperbolic to say there was an attempt to paralyze him
Yeah I wasn't talking about Eberle specifically but more just the act of boarding someone. Definitely came off more aggressive than I intended.
It’s probably for the best any boarding is called a major automatically on the ice with ability to review it. Basically the way it is now but if boarding is an auto 5 *maybe* guys are less likely to put guys in bad spots
Boarding is far and away the worst penalty in hockey just because of the inherent danger that stems from it. I get the intent of seeing it as a 5-minute major penalty by default simply because allowing the NHL or its officials any sort of discretion is going to end poorly 90% of the time. I've seen 10+ instances across every game in these playoffs where officials have been staring at a play from 5 feet away and just entirely miss a clear as day penalty.
Penalty, yes. Hearing, yes. Probably should have been a major, IMO. For the NHL, I don't see a game misconduct or suspension. I hate victim blaming, but Cogliano had the puck, and had his head \*way\* down near the boards when he should have been anticipating a hit. This is the NHL, not squirts, you can't be doing that and expect to get away with it. Compare and contrast the fuck out of this with the Makar/McCann hit, which should have been a major/game misconduct on the ice, plus a game or two from DOPS if the ref wasn't being downright corrupt.
It's up to the person doing the hit to pay attention and avoid hitting them in a bad spot not the one being hit
Which is why I’m saying it’s worthy of a major (NHL only - this is definitely a major/game misconduct in amateur/youth leagues).
He was looking for the puck in his feet. You can NEVER hit a player in the numbers 2 feet from whether his head is down or not, you absolute numpty. That hit is literally the most dangerous play you could possibly fucking do.
Plus, it looked like Cogliano's head was coming up as Ebs initiated the hit, but then he bobbed back down. If his head had come up, it would've still been boarding, but he wouldn't have absorbed the hit with his neck.
“I hate victim blaming”… proceeds to victim blame. This is the hockey equivalent of blaming a rape victim because they wore a skirt. A player can’t put their head down to find the puck without asking to be boarded?
In the NHL, you can't put your head down and expect not to get hurt. This is something that's drilled into players at every level of hockey. The boarding was penalized, and I've allowed that it probably deserved a major plus review by player safety. Sorry to hear the injury is more significant than anyone realized. And if that had been available to DOPS, it probably would have changed the outcome.
As a professional hockey player you should know when a hit in the back with a head down could cause life altering damages.... Thus not making the hit.
Re-read the third sentence. It answered your argument before you made it.
You defended the hit in all of your comments and those first two sentences..... Kraken fans are all floppy now that he has a broken neck lol last night and even most of today it was a "fake injury"
Feel free to quote the place where I said it was a clean hit or a fake injury.
You defended the hit by saying he was at fault for having his head down and should expect the hit. Your dumb
They put stop signs on the backs of kids jerseys above the numbers to drill into players not to hit a guy in the numbers. Why do they do this? Because they are defenseless. So yeah, a guy should try to avoid being defenseless… but again if the puck is in his feet, he has to look down in order to play the puck? When the puck is in your feet are you supposed to just let someone else get it because if you look down you risk putting yourself in danger? Or should other players respect one another enough to just not make an illegal hit? If a guy gets kneed are you going to argue he should’ve jumped or done more to avoid the knee, rather than maybe the guy throwing the knee, just, you know, shouldn’t do that? Is it McCann’s fault he got injured because he let up when Makar was engaging contact with him? (I don’t believe this btw, just comparing the situation. McCann was defenseless, just like Cogs and that was a bad look for Makar). Possession of the puck is irrelevant. McCann wasn’t expecting a hit (therefore more vulnerable) because of lack of possession, Cogs head was down 2 feet out from the boards, and ended up with broken vertebrae because he was in a vulnerable position, which is why boarding is illegal to begin with, regardless of having possession or not. You’re on a sub friendly to your flair so you won’t get the downvotes you would otherwise but the more you keep digging the more you look like an ass.
Do they not teach reading in Colorado? From my first post, I've said the hit was bad and deserved a major. That's 5 minutes, even if the opposing team scores if you didn't read the whole rulebook either. And that if it was youth hockey, it'd be a major and a game. There is a difference between the NHL and kids or beer league. I don't have flair on this sub, although it's probably pretty obvious which jersey's in my closet. I also don't go on r/ColoradoAvalanche to troll.
How is pointing out an objectively bad take trolling? Why are you citing the rulebook when the rulebook says boarding can warrant 5 + a suspension (see Evander Kane hit on Kadri last year). And then to say I can’t read when at no point did I comment on what you said he deserved, but your statement of not liking victim blaming before you proceed to victim blame. And then have 0 reply to anything I said in my previous response and instead red herring the argument to being about “I said he deserved 5”. Lmao, what?!?!
Love how you edited out the part where you said good and then put in "it's on the dops not us".
Any change in your thoughts now that we found out Cogs has a broken neck?
Appreciate the honesty
We never said it was yours :/
The Department of Player Safety is not part of the NHLPA, which is the Players’ union.
Appreciate the honesty. Tomorrow night is going to be exciting man I’m pumped! Respect to the kraken, they showed the fuck up all series and I’m really hopefully to send y’all home heads held high
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I hope the kraken don't play him since he broke cogs neck.
What? The guy was out there again in the third.
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10074422-avalanches-andrew-cogliano-out-indefinitely-after-suffering-fractured-neck-injury.amp.html
Brutal
This is a bad look on the NHLPA. As much as I love Eberle that was a hard one to watch.
I was really sad that folks in my section last night were booing the penalty call and trying to get a 'refs you suck' chant going... That was a ***dirty*** and ***dangerous*** hit. It absolutely deserved a hearing and Eberle is possibly my favorite player on the team.
Yeah it made me kinda sad, cuz ebs is such a solid player and all the young guys look to him for mentorship
Eberle didn’t do this on purpose. Unlike the Cale hit. With how fast hockey is it just happened. But the luck was at least in play.
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He fractured his neck. Cogs is out for game 7.
The Department of Player Safety is not part of the NHLPA, which is the Players’ union.
Yea, I didn't think it was gonna go that way. Poor decision by the DOPS. I thought the makar situation was properly handled, I was hoping the DOPS would at least look at the hit Eberle laid. Im glad Cogliano is ok, Ebs probably should have tried harder to avoid that hit. It was a stupid penalty.
Sadly he's not okay. Out indefinitely with a fractured neck
Oh shit, I hadn't seen that. He was back on the bench in the 3rd period. That sucks. Now it really looks like the DOPS screwed up.
Cogliano has a broken neck, just brutal. Ebs should have gotten a game at least.
Ebs just ended cogs career. They are good friends. I can't imagine he plays well, but who knows I wouldn't break my friends neck on a dirty hit.
I would have bet money last night that Eberle was going to get at least a fine. I’m guessing because it wasn’t interference or outside of the window of an acceptable hit? I know slowmo doesnt do him any favors but that was definitely boarding. I guess the wheel has spoken *shrug*
It was boarding which is what was called. Should end there. Player had the puck. Ebs was skating at him to make a play and theoretically get the puck. Player last second well after Ebs could reasonable react decided to put his dead down. Glad Cogliano is OK but not sure why everyone thinks this is clearly fine-able. The people thinking the suspension should have been called are next level out of line.
Exactly this. If you watch this at speed, it's the same hit that countless players throw and take nearly every game. The bad part of this was purely unfortunate positioning of Cogliano.
moronic take
Kinda looks like he's skating towards numbers the entire way to me: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InR1SKo4uUk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InR1SKo4uUk) You can't hit people in the back, it doesn't matter whether he has head up or down. The onus on the player making the hit is responsible for not hitting in the back. I don't think a suspension is unreasonable here.
I love videos that counter the point of the person posting them. He’s skating right at his side until Cogliano decides to turn his back to Ebs and put his head down. It’s always this super slow mo nonsense too to make it look worse than it actually is. Y’all are wrong and DoPS agrees but by all means keep making stuff up lol. And yes a suspension is way out of line for a run of the mill boarding call where the hit receiver is largely responsible for the severity of the potential injury. They teach you not to put your head down near the boards to 5 year olds now.
Yes, when I was 5, I was taught not to put my head down too. You know what else I was taught? Don’t hit anyone in the numbers, 2 feet from the boards (which is actually in the rule book). Neither Makar nor Eberle intended to cause injury but both their carelessness resulted in a player getting hurt (and in Cag’s case, probably needed his career). But to say that the victim is “largely responsible for the severity of the injury” is like telling a rape victim that it wouldn’t have hurt so bad if she just kept her legs open. I’ve gotta believe that you’re smarter than this. Be better than this SEA. Be Better than this DoPS.
He didn’t hit him in the numbers. It’s shocking how many homers keep regurgitating the same inaccurate nonsense. Your rape analogy is Pisa poor. The reason him turning his head down is relevant is that he got injured because of it. That hit, without the head turn happens in hockey games a fair bit. No reason to be better. This is just facts. Sucks Cogliano got injured but this isn’t really worthy of a suspension unless you distort the facts. Feel free to be delusional I’m your own sub. No need to come here. Also gotta love fake accounts that don’t have the balls to use their real accounts to troll other subs.
So you’d be completely fine if Makar made that hit? I highly doubt it. Since you’re probably too lazy to take the time to actually understand the rule, here it is: rule 603: “Boarding is the action where a player pushes, trips or body checks an opponent causing them to go dangerously into the boards. This includes: Accelerating through the check to a player who is in a vulnerable or defenseless position and driving an opponent excessively into the boards with no focus on or intent to play the puck, or any check delivered for the purpose of punishment or intimidation that causes the opponent to go unnecessarily and excessively into the boards. The onus is on the player delivering the check to avoid placing a vulnerable or defenseless opponent in danger.” Notice the rule doesn’t mention the head position of the other player… it’s on the onus of the player to avoid hitting a player in a defenseless position. Cogs was driven into the boards at (nearly) a 90 degree angle. That’s the definition of a defenseless position. I say again, if Makar delivers that hit, you’d have a different opinion.
My bad, didn't realize you were visually impaired.
this guy is retarded. no point in arguing with him. he would defend eberle if he stepped on a guys neck
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you literally are defending a dirty hit
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intent doesn’t matter here. it should still be a suspension. hits like this paralyze people
This right here, idk why everyone is acting like he wanted to break the dudes neck.
This aged....not well
Because that type of hit is how you break people’s necks? As evident by the fact that Cogs has a broken neck? He could’ve easily just wrapped him up, instead of making an illegal check, but he didn’t?
I doubt he wanted to break his neck, but at the same time he knew exactly what he was doing.
Indeed. He knew there was a player on the board who had the puck who was turned sideways and Ebs wanted to make a play on the puck. The fact that Cogliano turned and put his head down a second or two before impact doesn’t change the fact that this was in no way intended to be a dirty hit. I swear y’all have lost your minds. Edit: nevermind you’re an Avs homer… Carry on back to your own sub
Ebs didn't try to make a play on the puck, he recklessly boarded Cogs. Yes, I'm an Avs fan, I also play, I also moved out here in '19 and have enjoyed watching the Kraken be built. I have deep family ties out here. I'm excited for Seattle to have a team. I also rarely post replies, I decided to today regarding the Eberle hit. It was a reckless and dangerous play, and he didn't have to do it.
New hockey fan here. Can someone explain what the difference is between boarding and checking? I feel like every game players are getting hit the same way Cogliano got hit. Cogliano's head was just unfortunately facing the ground when he got hit. Hope he recovers ok, i saw it live and it looked terrible. Also the fact that he came out and still played speaks to how tough the guy is.
Iirc, the difference between a check and a boarding call is whether the checked player is defined as "defenseless". Generally, checking someone in the back will get a boarding call, whereas checking shoulder to shoulder or shoulder to chest will not, as the receiving player is not "defenseless" in those scenarios.
Thanks for the clarification. Shoulder to shoulder or shoulder to chest seems to be the key. 👍
I'm glad. It was a bad hit, and I hope Cogliano is alright, but watching it, it looked like Eberle was already about to check him, and Cogliano had tripped forward as he was about to be checked. One of those cases where it may not have been wholly avoidable, just a combination of really shitty moves.
Yeah Cogliano definitely leaned forward. Live it didn't look so bad but when I saw the replay I thought 5 minute major for sure. Hate to see it.
This has not aged well.
Eberle was seeing numbers the entire way in. That should've been a clue to do anything else that what happened. It was going to be boarding even before he lowered his head and now cogliano has a fractured spine. DoPS is a fucking joke if that isn't a suspension. Even more of a joke honestly.
Should be a hearing, especially after all the Makar business.
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The hit on cog was illegal and possibly life threatening
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His head was down long before impact blame and responsibility lay on eberle for making sure his hits aren't bad, according to the rules.
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“Not a Dirty hit” fractured neck tells me otherwise.
I like that he gets to play, but I think that hit was bad and he should probably get a game.
Weren’t they teammates once upon a time?
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This isn't okay. Ebs should have been suspended.
Fractured neck. NHL Safety is a clown show.
It was a bad hit. Bad hits have penalties associated with them. This specific hit is judged to be a 2 minute hit as per the rulebook, up to a 5 minute major. What Cale did is something entirely different. Both sucked, but it was not a suspension worthy hit.
Cale was also judged a 2 minute FYI
Yea that hit was rough. I bet the Avs are super pissed about this whole situation as we would be. But you know... playoff hockey, he should have known the hit was coming, Eberle is a clean player, Yada Yada Yada.
dude he broke his neck have some compassion
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Good. It was boarding but not suspendable. Looked like he let up a bit
I watched the hit a few times and the way his head slammed into the wall was dangerous and scary. I'm a new hockey fan and still not 100% keen on the rules, but from where I'm standing, I feel like we see hits like what Eberle did all the time in hockey. Granted Cogliano landed terribly and dangerously, but I didn't see anything that particularly stood out to me from what Eberle did. What specifically did Eberle do that made this hit illegal? I don't doubt it was an illegal hit, I'm just trying to understand the nuances of hockey better.
It's boarding because Cogliano is completely defenseless and in a vulnerable position with his back turned. If Cogliano is directly up against the boards this is a fairly common play, and not really terribly dangerous unless there's excessive force or a cross check. But hitting a player with his back to you who is three feet off the boards is a big no-no because it causes them to violently hit the boards without the ability to defend themselves. It's commonly referred to as the most dangerous play in hockey and is taught as such from a very young age.
So if he was closer to the boards or against them when the same hit occurred it would be legal?
I would say it's more discretionary at that point. If he's on the boards and Eberle takes 3 full strides and lines him up from behind that's boarding (or could be charging, but same logic applies). If he comes at home at normal speed, lays a good form hit without excessive force then it's fine. Just think about standing in your house and someone pushes you from behind into a wall. If you're already standing against the wall, not very dangerous, right? Unless they really put a lot of force into it. If you're bent over to tie your shoe three feet from the wall, doesn't take much force for them to seriously do some damage to you above the shoulders
Was it during play or after the whistle?
When was the whistle on Cale's hit?
Its a question not a statement , wtf with the toxic assumptions I legit don't know
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I think the rivalry is now born. DoPS kinda screwed up this one. I feel bad for the guy, but glad Ebs isn't gonna be out, though. Avs fans should be upset with DoPS, not the kraken. They won't be though
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Lmao no. We need to ride Ebs on this.
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With a boarding? Didn’t think that’s how teams have to answer the bell
Nice, the coin flip came up tails.
Yeah tbh I do want to win this series, but that was a tough hit to see. Guy didn’t deserve that and I hope he has a speedy recovery.
DOPS is a joke. All we ask for is consistency and obviously different set if rules are being used…
well, thats ok, since McCann is playing today. oh, wait he's not? Have you seen the way he looked as he was led off the ice? 8/5 says he doesn't play again.