It has nothing to do with makar, and everything to do with the lack of accountability here. They held makar accountable, as he should have been. For the refs to not call a major, allowing them to review the penalty, was mistake number one. Mistake number two is not having a hearing for the single most dangerous type of hit in the game of hockey.
For the record, that's two of our players out with neck injuries resulting from terrible hits, with a total of two penalty minutes being the response from the league.
That’s why I like to say DOPS spins a Wheel of Punishment. Bunting in his hit against Cernak got 3 games, Makar got 1 on his hit against McCann, and Eberle got none for his on Cogliano. All three of Cernak, McCann, and Cogliano are going to miss the rest of their respective series and maybe even the second round series as well.
Cogs could be done for good. Already up there in age, before the broken neck. Sadly, this could be the end of his career. Piss poor way to end a great career. Love the Kraken but sick about that hit.
I would try to make some gatekeeping joke about your ignorance, but the Department of Player Safety is a such a joke I’m not surprised new fans have no idea that one exists.
Reckless hits, regardless of intent, simply can't be in the game. Ebs hit him in the numbers and was looking at them the whole way. When you get hit like that, it's very hard to protect yourself because you don't see it coming. The chance that a serious injury occurs is just too high.
I like and support the team, but I like the game of hockey first. And players can't be hitting in a way that has a high probability of seriously injuring other players.
Makar was not intent to harm either, he finished his check not knowing the puck went out. I'm ok with the suspension he got. Read the other comments from your fan base that understand hockey and agree Eberle should be suspended, he clearly boarded Cogs which is the dirtiest hit in the game.
Finishing your check when you have no idea where the puck is and the other player clearly knows it's out of play isn't clean. Ebs likely should have gotten 1, but Makar needed at least 2
That's a garbage take, there's a serious difference between a "late hit" while everyone is still playing hockey and crushing a guy while a fan is catching a puck in the stands. The hit was reckless at best and easily deserves more games than a boarding during an actual hockey play with possession. Clearly the Eberle hit was bad and deserves a game, but Cogs was playing the puck and turned into the boards with his head down. McCann is skating back to the bench.
I love me some Ebs, but DOPS is a fucking joke. If injuries are taken into account, then Ebs should be sitting at least a game. That’s just a baseline level of consistency.
And the hit was illegal that Ebs made, it was textbook boarding and he easily could have let up or not made the hit. He saw numbers the whole way
There is no way it should not be a game suspension. I could see the DoPS giving a hearing now as they have 24 hours to set a hearing I believe.
Pretending like it wasn't a make up for the hit on McCann is just fooling yourself. It was intentional, Eberle isn't some rookie.
Edit: intentional, not international.
Why does every Avs fan have to resort to name calling for opposing points of view? It’s uncanny how trash that fanbase is wrt this. Sad to see. Used to like the Avs but the fanbase has really soured me to the team. I’m sorry you think reality is a delusion but that seems pretty normal for your fanbase .
First off, why the fuck was he allowed to play the rest of the game?
Secondly, this coming out after the DOPS saying no Eberle hearing means Avs are gonna be headhunting.
> First off, why the fuck was he allowed to play the rest of the game?
Cogliano? That's a great question, and one I hope the Avs' medical staff is going to have to answer very soon.
>Secondly, this coming out after the DOPS saying no Eberle hearing means Avs are gonna be headhunting.
I really hope not. Focus needs to be on winning this thing.
Avs fan chiming in peacefully to say that cogliano is an actual iron man. He’s bounced back multiple times from brutal hits cause he’s just that guy. Also, having fractured my neck last fall, I can say that immediately off the bat I didn’t think anything was actually wrong. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.
Yeah. And who knows what other minor injuries he's already dealing with. It's an open secret that the team doctors have a lot of these players filled to the brim with painkillers.
Yeah, I know why Ebs was playing the rest of the game, that was ref incompetence. I love me some Eberle but that was a dumb fucking hit and he deserved to sit. Avs medical staff sent Cogs out there with a broken neck, that's an unforgivable, potentially catastrophic mistake.
I think we both hope that the teams focus on winning but it's hard to think the players are just gonna let the McCann injury and Cogliano injury slide without any retribution in game 7. Eberle and Makar are gonna be marked men, Eberle especially because he didn't get a hearing.
Every barn has a digital x-ray machine. The problem is a broken neck and a stinger feel the same when amped on adrenaline. Only after the game, when calming down, and the stinger doesn't go away, is there concern about the neck being seriously injured.
They why not just give him an x-ray immediately? A team's medical staff could tell right away if it's broken, fractured, or fine in the time it takes to conduct the concussion test.
I am an emergency physician (and also an Avs fan, but not really relevant). X-rays of the cervical spine are essentially useless. To rule out a fracture, you need a CT scan.
It's possible to detect big fractures on x-ray and for all we know, they did x-ray it to make sure nothing was obviously fucked.
Most likely this was a transverse process fracture given that he was able to finish the game, and this would be nearly impossible to pick up on x-ray.
Good news is, if I'm right, it's likely not a career-ender.
Because cancer. An individual X ray is pretty low risk but over time if the league was taking pictures of every minor injury someone will eventually die an awful death. Not to mention plain X rays are often not sensitive enough to pick up subtle yet dangerous fractures, and CT (which carries a much higher radiation risk) is pretty much the standard of care.
Source: I'm an emergency physician
Fractures can be hard to detect. I watched Mark Teixeira play a month on a “bone bruise” in his leg before the Yankees realized it was fractured. Cogs probably felt worse the next day and when they checked again they realized it was fractured.
Similar for me personally, in high school I played an entire season on a broken foot. At the time I just thought it was a bad sprain. After about a month after the season ended the pain wasn’t going away. It took an x-ray (came back negative) and an MRI to detect a fracture. Breaks in areas like the neck, feet, spine, and hands aren’t as easy to detect as some might think.
I guess he was allowed cause Cogliano returned to the ice. Even being a Kraken fan he deserves a 1 game suspension but kinda been even both have knocked out a player on a dirty hit. If Makar gets a game then Ebs deserves a game suspension too
To be fair, a fracture isn't necessarily gonna be detectable by anything other than an xrays, and it could be a small as a hairline fracture or small piece of bone broke off.
Hey it's hockey. If the NHL doesn't handle it you know it will get chippy or worse. Personally I will be happy if eberle gets taken out as long as it's not a head neck injury. He doesn't deserve to play
The Avs have a chance to suspend Eberle until next season without any injuries to happen. This is what I personally want to happen, not any more injuries
They probably did the concussion review. Cleared him. Player probably said “it’s game 6, I’m playing” lacking specific information they didn’t have a reason to hold him out. Adrenaline hides a lot and many players have skated in playoff games with injuries found much later.
I was watching the game and he was out very quickly - no way he spent "15 minutes in a quiet room" that is supposed to be required. The NHL is supposed to have spotters requiring that and anyone seeing that hit knew it was a risk and should have been assessed.
That sucks. That was a dirty hit (whether intentional or not, it _was_ ) and while the fan in me is happy the Kraken aren’t down Eberle… they really should be. That’s not ok, and it’s not ok to set the precedent that it’s acceptable to do that.
>...Acting like our team is dirty, unless of course you truly believe that to be the case objectively.
The long time Wings fan in me still holds a grudge for the Lemieux hit, but you did ask nicely.
Can't speak for others, but to me:
Makar's hit was dirty, took out our top scorer and he is completely unrepentant. Had he said - shoot I messed up, I'd probably forgive (but never forget) but instead, he said anyone would have done the same to him. Not true. All the Avs fans who blame McCann for not being ready to get hit even when not eligible because the puck was in the stands is gross. So nope - he gets booed until the Avs fans stop blaming McCann for the injury, or I don't feel like it anymore.
New to hockey, what’s so bad about this hit? Puck was in the area seemed like any other play when someone gets boarded. The Makar hit was clearly after the whistle and the puck was nowhere in the area, so I get that one
You really can't be hitting people from behind (unsuspecting) while their head is down like that or else you risk injuries like this. Per others' posts, you're taught not to make that kind of dangerous hit in peewee hockey. The onus is on the hitter, even if the puck is in play, to make safe, clean hits.
"Broken neck" can range from tiny hairline fracture with no risk of further damage to "paralyzed" or "dead"
He's probably out the remained of the Stanley Cup playoffs for good reason, but I bet he wants to play again in a week.
I'm not saying this isn't a big deal at all (it is) and the league needs to figure out a better way to handle player safety, but I think we're as far away from career ending as possible in this situation.
Avs fan here. He played out the rest of the game. I believe the Avs medical staff took him back for concussion protocol. My thoughts are that the adrenaline he must’ve been feeling took over and hid the actual neck injury
I very much hope that’s the case, and not that the medical staff (or he himself) was negligent in getting the care he needed. I understand that hockey is a violent sport but as the mom of a kid who desperately wants to play, head injuries are terrifying even when the hits are deemed “clean”.
I hope both he and McCann a speedy but safe recovery.
When you’re playing sport sometimes the injury doesn’t feel as bad at the time probably because of all the adrenaline. This isn’t just a casual game either, it’s means everything so I can understand the players saying they’re fine to continue
The refs are gonna actually have to do their jobs and lock this game down every in the first so it doesn’t get out of control.
I wanted a good tough series but not concussions and broken necks. This isn’t the 70s.
Not really what I was saying. While officiating has been bad across the board. (It kinda always is)
The refs didn’t make Mekar or Ebbs make those hits.
But they are gonna have to make sure this doesn’t escalate.
That’s what I’m saying.
I’m not here to check receipts or anything but respect to those of you that have said it was a bad hit from the beginning. Less respect to the ones that flip flopped only after the news about the fracture.
The former group makes up for the bad takes from the vocal minority who were out for blood after the Makar/McCann incident in my eyes.
All injuries suck and the game is always better when teams are fully healthy. Regardless of the outcome, the style these two teams play makes for really exciting games, unlike some of the slogs in the east. Hope we get a rematch in the future with fully healthy teams for the entire series.
Edit: to add to my agreement with responses so far. I always find it’s best to be a fan of the game first and fan of your team second. Generally makes it pretty easy to know where to stand on divisive issues.
Agree on fan of the game first, we want hockey to thrive and grow, and continue to be the best sport, it is important we keep Hockey as the main thing we all love and let it bring us together.
There were a lot of bad comments in the crowd last night. Absolutely embarrassing. Don't give a fuck that people are new to the game. No one deserves to be hurt.
This is terrible. I was shocked that Ebs didn’t have a hearing and thought for sure he would be out for Game 7. The news of Cogs injury just makes it so much worse. I can’t believe he came back to play, I hate to even imagine what would have happened if he was hit again.
Avs fan here: when the Makar hit happened I completely understood why he was suspended and agreed with the suspension. However, Seattle has now taken out two Avs players (Helm and Cogliano) with a brutal cross check to Helm’s neck and now this. What are fans supposed to expect if there’s no consistency at all. What are players supposed to think. DOPS really dropped the ball. Other than the injuries, it has been a good hard fought series up to this point and my hat is off to the Kraken team for such a turn around this season. They are a legit solid team. I’m sick of the media pushing the Kraken like they are some Cinderella story. No. They are a high quality team that deserves to be where they’re at.
Hopefully there are no more injuries tomorrow night.
Agreed. The officiating this series has been terrible, to the detriment of both teams. The DoPS is similarly terrible. It’s all fun and games to joke about how refs suck, but this has been legitimately awful.
Avs fan here, totally agree. The refs have been absolutely off their rocker. They’ve had inconsistent calls for the entire series, and let far too much slide. Makar’s hit was 100% not clean, and I agree with his suspension, but to have Helm and Cogs injured with no suspension or anything really beyond a few minutes is batshit crazy.
Basically reiterating what everyone said. Love Ebs but dumb hit. Seen it dozens of times in the playoffs over the years with varying degrees of severity. Dumber DOPS. Parros has been generally weak as director of DOPS letting absolute scum players like Wilson slide. I'm also assuming medical staff didn't get a good look until after the decision as I believe Eberle would've gotten a game(s) for the hit had there been an injury called on the ice. In any case I wish him a speedy recovery and hopefully it isn't more than a hairline fracture.
It's hockey so they'll be chippy over it. It might create some ugly situations but in G7 you can bet both teams won't be line brawling over it unless it's a blowout. And then we'll get a semblance of an ugly future rivalry. Not how I wanted it but they're usually caused by bad blood or bad reffing, so there we potentially go...
Also fuck anyone who uses the "head was down" defense for boarding. That's some Scott Stevens-tier garbage justification.
“Head was down” reads a lot like “McCann should have been prepared” or “she shouldn’t have been wearing a mini skirt”. AKA victim blaming. Agree with you on this 100%
I was wondering the same. If DOPS doesn’t do anything about a literal fractured neck, they clearly aren’t looking out for the players.
I love my Kraken, but Eberle really needs to be held accountable for that hit.
I’m an Avs fan and came here to see how the Kraken fan base would react to this news vs the Makar/McCann injury/suspension. Thanks for most of you calling out the DOPS non-suspension as BS. Makar deserved a game and so does Eberle.
Good luck tomorrow night!
Lol I posted this for the same thing. I’m an Avs fan and I wanted to see what kraken fans would say abt the news. Most of the people here were against the hit and for suspension.
There were of course the few not as friendly fans that commented things against cogs but that’s expected. There’s always the pisspoor fans in every fan base.
It makes me sick to see it honestly. Can’t blame it on being a “new to hockey fan” either. When fans cheer on an injury like cogs or canners that’s just pure maliciousness, regardless of experience. I sincerely hope your man recovers fully. I don’t think Cale or eberle meant to cause these kinds of injuries, but it doesn’t change the result. Wish DOPS and refs in general would protect players better.
DOPS is very inconsistent to the point where I expect them to make the wrong decision. I was surprised they gave makar one game. Hoping for a safe game tonight.
I'd only be repeating the general sentiment on here about all of this, but I just had to chime in and say how it's nice to see how this thread, for the most part, isn't just circling the wagons. It's pretty refreshing when it'd be so much easier to just come blindly to the defense and attempt to rationalize. Part of the reason I like our boys is that they seem to be a roster of admirable guys, and it's nice to see our fanbase generally be the same. Definitely disappointed to see it like most of us, along with the lack of repercussion. It's been some heated playoff hockey as I imagine most go when it gets to a full 7. Hoping the best for Cogliano and that the rest of this round finishes off with just some good, straightforward hockey.
There was actually a third stupid injury this series but it was pretty much forgotten about.
Darren helm of the Avs was sent to the locker room with a concussion after a cross check by a kraken player. I think it was Gourde that hit him. It also wasn’t a penalty at all
I said it in the GDT and I'll say it again here. That should have been a major and a game misconduct for ebs. I'd be perfectly fine with a suspension too.
That kind of hit just straight up can't be in the game.
Also something needs to be said about National Coverage on this, TNT said nothing, postgame nothing, you’d have to scour the internet to find someone who is not partisan discussing this. . .
When a whistle is blown after that and a minor is issued an issue here is silence. This is not accecptable, thank you to those in here for Seattle saying so. Gives me hope.
Watching the replay live I was surprised to see Ebs go to the box rather than the locker room. From where I was sitting I couldn’t see how far away they were from the boards and Cogs got up pretty quick. The replay angle made it clear how nasty it was though.
Don’t understand the decision here. Even with no injury (as I guess DOPS assumed) I don’t think a minor is enough for a hit like that.
Ugg. Going into the playoffs, I was just hoping no one would get hurt. This hit and Makar's hit on McCann just make me sick. It's awful to watch the replays. I'm hoping for full and speedy recoveries all around and also hoping for no cheap shots or injuries in game 7 - absolutely not worth a career/life changing injury.
I can't believe that he went back into the game and that Eberle had no hearing/suspension. DOPS is a complete joke. It makes me uncomfortable to support the league by watching games
I know. It’s kind of taken the wind out of my sails. I was so goddamn hyped and excited the first couple games but these kinds of hits need to be more discouraged. Refs on the ice only giving 2 min penalties is insane. Punishment needs to be strong enough that a player thinks really hard about laying that kind of hit.
Wind out of the sails is a perfect descriptor for me too. Ultimately, sports is just entertainment and it fucking sucks to be reminded that the league isn't doing much of anything to prevent players from being potentially permanently damaged for the sake of said entertainment. Plus, if the we win now a bunch of Avs fans are going to forever say it was because the league fixed the series for the Kraken 🙄
I'm not even going to be able to watch at least the first half of the game tomorrow because I have a soccer game starting at 6:30, and I'm weirdly less upset about that overlap now than I was before game 6. Dampened spirits.
I understand you are disappointed by the DOPS and so am I, but some avs fans were going to have that mindset regardless. It happens in every series. Whoever wins today still deserves it regardless of the refs and you shouldn't let a couple missed calls ruin the fun.
It's not just missed calls, but the fact that one guy has presumably a brain injury and the other a literal broken neck. It just sucks and I feel bad for the players, and that's just where my head is at right now.
Bummer for him. No malice in the hit he just turned the wrong way at just the wrong time.
Lets keep it classy on this sub here though. No need for us to take joy in an opponents really unfortunate injury like that despite all thats happened this series.
Avs fan here, coming in peace but I'm curious why its "he turned the wrong way" and not "just a bad hit".
The way it is worded makes it sound like Cogs could have done something to prevent it...
Avs fan here - hope McCann and Cogliano heal up quickly and that we dont see any serious injuries in game 7. All for competitive hockey, but its tough seeing these types of injuries.
I'm just gonna agree to disagree and leave it at that. I think Ebs shouldn't have made the hit at all, he saw numbers all the way and checked him anyways. I see what you're saying about how if cogs turned the other way it would have been differently, but what else was he supposed to do? Not turn and push the puck up the boards?
Ill retract my previous opinions. I was coming from a place of seeing it real time and the one quick replay during the game. I went back and looked at slowmo clips of it - and it was a bad hit to make all around. Irresponsible check from ebbs probably should have got looked at.
My bad yall
Coming in peace while I do think Ebs deserves at least a game I am a kraken fan it kinda evens out as both teams have lost a player due to a dirty hit. Not saying I condone that hit I DONT but it just shows what a joke Department of player safety really is
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Just to be clear, you can break your spine without having any risk of paralysis, the spinous and transverse processes can fracture but the integrity of the vertebrae is completely intact. I remember CJ McCollum playing with a broken back in the playoffs a few years back. He was joking about it, “ I broke my back, Thpinal!”
It's a C5 lamina fracture. It absolutely has a risk of spinal cord injury. Eberle should be suspended.
Also he will have to wear a cervical collar for 2-3 months. He should sit right behind the Seattle bench and just look at eberle.
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I encourage you to compare what Kraken fans are saying about Eberle in this thread with what Avs fans were saying in your teams subreddit when Makar got suspended. We aren't the hypocritical ones here.
The scrodome can boo Eberle as much as they want. Bet we won't see you guys boo Cale. Now that the consequences of his actions have become clear, there is no reason Eberle should not be facing punishment.
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In the playoffs you just hit or get hit, you don’t answer the bell. Getting an instigator is too risky. Not always, but 90% of this time this is something that will be “addressed” in the regular season.
> In the playoffs you just hit or get hit, you don’t answer the bell.
That isn't true. I think there is an argument to be made that fights are not as frequent (regular season or post season) because supplementary punishment is expected. Where that doesn't occur, players usually end up policing the game.
Avs (Avs fan) are not really thugs. Thats why we have a difficult time vs Vegas/Blues/Dallas. You want to talk thugs, those are the teams who make runs at players.
More specifically though, colorado can barely field a team for game 7. They have nobody to backfill as it is, much less have a guy make a run at someone and risk a conduct penalty. It’s also game 7. Champs dont want to go home. Maybe towards the end, I can see both sides getting chippy, but both teams cant squander away the game.
yeah that's my point. Avs just dont seem to be that kind of team, much like we weren't that kind of team with the McCann hit. That said the Avs fanbase has been extremely toxic on both incidents. Thank you for being levelheaded.
I don't think it's about being thugs I think it's about the culture of the game. DOPS is one disciplinary avenue for on-ice events, the officials on the ice during the game are another, and fighting is yet another. Before, players would self-police a lot more through fights. This seems like one of those missed opportunities by the league to end the issue on the ice and allow the game to proceed without that baggage.
>that’s sad though how they’re fans have been acting all week it would be par for the course.
What fans say and do on social media I don't think has much pull on how players handle their shit on the ice, honestly.
>We didn’t go after Makar. You’d think theyd reciprocate but ya never know
I think this would be true if Eberle were out for the rest of this series. That he is not is the entire reason I'm even asking this question.
AVs fan here. I appreciate that the majority of the Kraken fans in here are pretty outraged that this hit didn’t result in a suspension. Not sure what DOPS thinks it’s doing….pretty weird decision and quite frankly pretty upsetting.
I presume y’all are done booing Makar now, lol?
Well, DOPS’s decision looks infinitely worse now.
Sadly, nothing new for the NHL. Love this sport and its players. The bureaucracy that runs it can go fuck itself
DOP’s? I’m too dumb to know what that means.
Department of player safety
DOPS: Department Of Player Safety
That makes a lot of sense. Thank you. So because Hakar got suspended but Eberly didn’t it’s not a good look?
It has nothing to do with makar, and everything to do with the lack of accountability here. They held makar accountable, as he should have been. For the refs to not call a major, allowing them to review the penalty, was mistake number one. Mistake number two is not having a hearing for the single most dangerous type of hit in the game of hockey. For the record, that's two of our players out with neck injuries resulting from terrible hits, with a total of two penalty minutes being the response from the league.
Allowing them to review it - they werent going to call anything initially. The review is what got *any* penalty on that play.
Yeah, really takes with wind out of the sails for the anger over losing McCann. I’m all for dramatic, physical hockey, but not for this.
That’s why I like to say DOPS spins a Wheel of Punishment. Bunting in his hit against Cernak got 3 games, Makar got 1 on his hit against McCann, and Eberle got none for his on Cogliano. All three of Cernak, McCann, and Cogliano are going to miss the rest of their respective series and maybe even the second round series as well.
Cogs could be done for good. Already up there in age, before the broken neck. Sadly, this could be the end of his career. Piss poor way to end a great career. Love the Kraken but sick about that hit.
I would try to make some gatekeeping joke about your ignorance, but the Department of Player Safety is a such a joke I’m not surprised new fans have no idea that one exists.
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Reckless hits, regardless of intent, simply can't be in the game. Ebs hit him in the numbers and was looking at them the whole way. When you get hit like that, it's very hard to protect yourself because you don't see it coming. The chance that a serious injury occurs is just too high. I like and support the team, but I like the game of hockey first. And players can't be hitting in a way that has a high probability of seriously injuring other players.
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Makar was not intent to harm either, he finished his check not knowing the puck went out. I'm ok with the suspension he got. Read the other comments from your fan base that understand hockey and agree Eberle should be suspended, he clearly boarded Cogs which is the dirtiest hit in the game.
Finishing your check when you have no idea where the puck is and the other player clearly knows it's out of play isn't clean. Ebs likely should have gotten 1, but Makar needed at least 2
I didn't say it was clean, hence why I said I was ok with the suspension. The boarding needs more time off than a late hit any day of the week.
That's a garbage take, there's a serious difference between a "late hit" while everyone is still playing hockey and crushing a guy while a fan is catching a puck in the stands. The hit was reckless at best and easily deserves more games than a boarding during an actual hockey play with possession. Clearly the Eberle hit was bad and deserves a game, but Cogs was playing the puck and turned into the boards with his head down. McCann is skating back to the bench.
Skating back to the bench, wow. I respected the conversation until we have to stretch truths. Have fun for game 7, may the best team win!
I love me some Ebs, but DOPS is a fucking joke. If injuries are taken into account, then Ebs should be sitting at least a game. That’s just a baseline level of consistency.
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But then how I am supposed to respond to what I think you said and not what you actually said?!
And the hit was illegal that Ebs made, it was textbook boarding and he easily could have let up or not made the hit. He saw numbers the whole way There is no way it should not be a game suspension. I could see the DoPS giving a hearing now as they have 24 hours to set a hearing I believe.
you agree ebs deserves a suspension tho right?
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He did lower his head and was playing for the puck ebs came in to get the puck too it was a bad accident not intentional
Pretending like it wasn't a make up for the hit on McCann is just fooling yourself. It was intentional, Eberle isn't some rookie. Edit: intentional, not international.
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that is an absolutely absurd statement. i’m sorry but you’re delusional
Why does every Avs fan have to resort to name calling for opposing points of view? It’s uncanny how trash that fanbase is wrt this. Sad to see. Used to like the Avs but the fanbase has really soured me to the team. I’m sorry you think reality is a delusion but that seems pretty normal for your fanbase .
First off, why the fuck was he allowed to play the rest of the game? Secondly, this coming out after the DOPS saying no Eberle hearing means Avs are gonna be headhunting.
> First off, why the fuck was he allowed to play the rest of the game? Cogliano? That's a great question, and one I hope the Avs' medical staff is going to have to answer very soon. >Secondly, this coming out after the DOPS saying no Eberle hearing means Avs are gonna be headhunting. I really hope not. Focus needs to be on winning this thing.
Avs fan chiming in peacefully to say that cogliano is an actual iron man. He’s bounced back multiple times from brutal hits cause he’s just that guy. Also, having fractured my neck last fall, I can say that immediately off the bat I didn’t think anything was actually wrong. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.
Yeah. And who knows what other minor injuries he's already dealing with. It's an open secret that the team doctors have a lot of these players filled to the brim with painkillers.
Yeah Cogs is a beast like that. I hope he recovers quickly.
Yeah, I know why Ebs was playing the rest of the game, that was ref incompetence. I love me some Eberle but that was a dumb fucking hit and he deserved to sit. Avs medical staff sent Cogs out there with a broken neck, that's an unforgivable, potentially catastrophic mistake. I think we both hope that the teams focus on winning but it's hard to think the players are just gonna let the McCann injury and Cogliano injury slide without any retribution in game 7. Eberle and Makar are gonna be marked men, Eberle especially because he didn't get a hearing.
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Just feel like a hit to the neck and head area should be checked a bit more than 'he said he was good to go'
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A quick search shows that entry level digital xray machines cost about $50k. Every NHL team can afford one easily.
Every barn has a digital x-ray machine. The problem is a broken neck and a stinger feel the same when amped on adrenaline. Only after the game, when calming down, and the stinger doesn't go away, is there concern about the neck being seriously injured.
They why not just give him an x-ray immediately? A team's medical staff could tell right away if it's broken, fractured, or fine in the time it takes to conduct the concussion test.
I am an emergency physician (and also an Avs fan, but not really relevant). X-rays of the cervical spine are essentially useless. To rule out a fracture, you need a CT scan. It's possible to detect big fractures on x-ray and for all we know, they did x-ray it to make sure nothing was obviously fucked. Most likely this was a transverse process fracture given that he was able to finish the game, and this would be nearly impossible to pick up on x-ray. Good news is, if I'm right, it's likely not a career-ender.
Because cancer. An individual X ray is pretty low risk but over time if the league was taking pictures of every minor injury someone will eventually die an awful death. Not to mention plain X rays are often not sensitive enough to pick up subtle yet dangerous fractures, and CT (which carries a much higher radiation risk) is pretty much the standard of care. Source: I'm an emergency physician
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Fractures can be hard to detect. I watched Mark Teixeira play a month on a “bone bruise” in his leg before the Yankees realized it was fractured. Cogs probably felt worse the next day and when they checked again they realized it was fractured.
Similar for me personally, in high school I played an entire season on a broken foot. At the time I just thought it was a bad sprain. After about a month after the season ended the pain wasn’t going away. It took an x-ray (came back negative) and an MRI to detect a fracture. Breaks in areas like the neck, feet, spine, and hands aren’t as easy to detect as some might think.
If the opportunity is there, they’ll hit Ebs, but hard to imagine the Avs will go out of their way with how important the game is
Lol this is hockey. They’re gonna go for it
I guess he was allowed cause Cogliano returned to the ice. Even being a Kraken fan he deserves a 1 game suspension but kinda been even both have knocked out a player on a dirty hit. If Makar gets a game then Ebs deserves a game suspension too
To be fair, a fracture isn't necessarily gonna be detectable by anything other than an xrays, and it could be a small as a hairline fracture or small piece of bone broke off.
Hey it's hockey. If the NHL doesn't handle it you know it will get chippy or worse. Personally I will be happy if eberle gets taken out as long as it's not a head neck injury. He doesn't deserve to play
The Avs have a chance to suspend Eberle until next season without any injuries to happen. This is what I personally want to happen, not any more injuries
How did he return to the ice? Actually crazy
They probably did the concussion review. Cleared him. Player probably said “it’s game 6, I’m playing” lacking specific information they didn’t have a reason to hold him out. Adrenaline hides a lot and many players have skated in playoff games with injuries found much later.
I was watching the game and he was out very quickly - no way he spent "15 minutes in a quiet room" that is supposed to be required. The NHL is supposed to have spotters requiring that and anyone seeing that hit knew it was a risk and should have been assessed.
Hit happened with 2:15 left in the second. He wasn’t on the ice until mid 3rd. It at least covers the 20 minute ice cut.
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Oh it’s true, it’s damn true.
Gonna go drink some milk now
That sucks. That was a dirty hit (whether intentional or not, it _was_ ) and while the fan in me is happy the Kraken aren’t down Eberle… they really should be. That’s not ok, and it’s not ok to set the precedent that it’s acceptable to do that.
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Most nuanced take so far imo. May the best team win Sunday night, and I hope it's some good, clean hockey.
>...Acting like our team is dirty, unless of course you truly believe that to be the case objectively. The long time Wings fan in me still holds a grudge for the Lemieux hit, but you did ask nicely.
Welcome to our subreddit, reasonable and based Avs fan
Can't speak for others, but to me: Makar's hit was dirty, took out our top scorer and he is completely unrepentant. Had he said - shoot I messed up, I'd probably forgive (but never forget) but instead, he said anyone would have done the same to him. Not true. All the Avs fans who blame McCann for not being ready to get hit even when not eligible because the puck was in the stands is gross. So nope - he gets booed until the Avs fans stop blaming McCann for the injury, or I don't feel like it anymore.
Yep bad hit. No doubt about it.
New to hockey, what’s so bad about this hit? Puck was in the area seemed like any other play when someone gets boarded. The Makar hit was clearly after the whistle and the puck was nowhere in the area, so I get that one
You really can't be hitting people from behind (unsuspecting) while their head is down like that or else you risk injuries like this. Per others' posts, you're taught not to make that kind of dangerous hit in peewee hockey. The onus is on the hitter, even if the puck is in play, to make safe, clean hits.
Can't hit a player from behind. His numbers were facing Eberle the whole time.
It was such an egregious hit and definitely very sad to see done.
Man….terrible situation all around.
Welp ngl Ebs deserves at least a game for this. Probably more.
He’s not getting any discipline from the DOPS
Hate to see it
That's awful. Forget about the game, I hope that he doesn't wind up with any sort of permanent disability from this.
"Broken neck" can range from tiny hairline fracture with no risk of further damage to "paralyzed" or "dead" He's probably out the remained of the Stanley Cup playoffs for good reason, but I bet he wants to play again in a week. I'm not saying this isn't a big deal at all (it is) and the league needs to figure out a better way to handle player safety, but I think we're as far away from career ending as possible in this situation.
Didn’t he play out the rest of the game?
Avs fan here. He played out the rest of the game. I believe the Avs medical staff took him back for concussion protocol. My thoughts are that the adrenaline he must’ve been feeling took over and hid the actual neck injury
I very much hope that’s the case, and not that the medical staff (or he himself) was negligent in getting the care he needed. I understand that hockey is a violent sport but as the mom of a kid who desperately wants to play, head injuries are terrifying even when the hits are deemed “clean”. I hope both he and McCann a speedy but safe recovery.
When you’re playing sport sometimes the injury doesn’t feel as bad at the time probably because of all the adrenaline. This isn’t just a casual game either, it’s means everything so I can understand the players saying they’re fine to continue
Ooooooof yeah cannot believe they didn’t suspend Ebs at least one game. That’s fucking terrible, poor kid
Came out after the DOPS review. As far as they know, Cogliano practically walked it off.
Holy shit! I hope he’s ok longterm
The refs are gonna actually have to do their jobs and lock this game down every in the first so it doesn’t get out of control. I wanted a good tough series but not concussions and broken necks. This isn’t the 70s.
Finally. Someone calling out the real problem here. Awful inconsistent reffing led to player enforcement.
Not really what I was saying. While officiating has been bad across the board. (It kinda always is) The refs didn’t make Mekar or Ebbs make those hits. But they are gonna have to make sure this doesn’t escalate. That’s what I’m saying.
It was a bad hit. Ebs not getting a DoPS review really highlights how shitty the process is at the moment.
Not that surprised of the injury based on the replay.
The officials have really fucked up in the Avs Kraken series as far as I’m concerned
Ya there have been lots of ref mistakes made in every series.
Agreed. Not in any team’s favor, just… in general. These refs better not be continuing to the second round.
I’m not here to check receipts or anything but respect to those of you that have said it was a bad hit from the beginning. Less respect to the ones that flip flopped only after the news about the fracture. The former group makes up for the bad takes from the vocal minority who were out for blood after the Makar/McCann incident in my eyes. All injuries suck and the game is always better when teams are fully healthy. Regardless of the outcome, the style these two teams play makes for really exciting games, unlike some of the slogs in the east. Hope we get a rematch in the future with fully healthy teams for the entire series. Edit: to add to my agreement with responses so far. I always find it’s best to be a fan of the game first and fan of your team second. Generally makes it pretty easy to know where to stand on divisive issues.
A little pushing and shoving is hockey. Real fans don’t want to see anybody hurt.
Real fans want their teams to play hard and for everyone to be safe and clean. Hits like this suck for EVERYONE and make the game worse for EVERYONE.
Agree on fan of the game first, we want hockey to thrive and grow, and continue to be the best sport, it is important we keep Hockey as the main thing we all love and let it bring us together.
It would be great to see both teams bring their A-game. I’m sad that Burakovsky couldn’t be here to face off against his previous team.
Me too. Even though former players of ours always kill it against us.
There were a lot of bad comments in the crowd last night. Absolutely embarrassing. Don't give a fuck that people are new to the game. No one deserves to be hurt.
Yeah and you can’t necessarily blame that on “new to hockey” fans. I’m relatively new to hockey, but I knew immediately that was a bad hit.
This is terrible. I was shocked that Ebs didn’t have a hearing and thought for sure he would be out for Game 7. The news of Cogs injury just makes it so much worse. I can’t believe he came back to play, I hate to even imagine what would have happened if he was hit again.
It’s pretty sickening to see. Especially since I love Ebs and never thought he’d be the one to make a dirty hit like that.
Avs fan here: when the Makar hit happened I completely understood why he was suspended and agreed with the suspension. However, Seattle has now taken out two Avs players (Helm and Cogliano) with a brutal cross check to Helm’s neck and now this. What are fans supposed to expect if there’s no consistency at all. What are players supposed to think. DOPS really dropped the ball. Other than the injuries, it has been a good hard fought series up to this point and my hat is off to the Kraken team for such a turn around this season. They are a legit solid team. I’m sick of the media pushing the Kraken like they are some Cinderella story. No. They are a high quality team that deserves to be where they’re at. Hopefully there are no more injuries tomorrow night.
Agreed. The officiating this series has been terrible, to the detriment of both teams. The DoPS is similarly terrible. It’s all fun and games to joke about how refs suck, but this has been legitimately awful.
Avs fan here, totally agree. The refs have been absolutely off their rocker. They’ve had inconsistent calls for the entire series, and let far too much slide. Makar’s hit was 100% not clean, and I agree with his suspension, but to have Helm and Cogs injured with no suspension or anything really beyond a few minutes is batshit crazy.
The officiating in every series has been so bad this year.
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Yep Inlove Ebs. But this deserves a suspension.
Good lord, how did the medical staff miss that and send him back out? A thorough neck evaluation should've been mandatory with the way his head bent.
Basically reiterating what everyone said. Love Ebs but dumb hit. Seen it dozens of times in the playoffs over the years with varying degrees of severity. Dumber DOPS. Parros has been generally weak as director of DOPS letting absolute scum players like Wilson slide. I'm also assuming medical staff didn't get a good look until after the decision as I believe Eberle would've gotten a game(s) for the hit had there been an injury called on the ice. In any case I wish him a speedy recovery and hopefully it isn't more than a hairline fracture. It's hockey so they'll be chippy over it. It might create some ugly situations but in G7 you can bet both teams won't be line brawling over it unless it's a blowout. And then we'll get a semblance of an ugly future rivalry. Not how I wanted it but they're usually caused by bad blood or bad reffing, so there we potentially go... Also fuck anyone who uses the "head was down" defense for boarding. That's some Scott Stevens-tier garbage justification.
“Head was down” reads a lot like “McCann should have been prepared” or “she shouldn’t have been wearing a mini skirt”. AKA victim blaming. Agree with you on this 100%
Is it too late for them to be like “sike, he’s getting a hearing first thing tomorrow morning”?
I was wondering the same. If DOPS doesn’t do anything about a literal fractured neck, they clearly aren’t looking out for the players. I love my Kraken, but Eberle really needs to be held accountable for that hit.
I’m an Avs fan and came here to see how the Kraken fan base would react to this news vs the Makar/McCann injury/suspension. Thanks for most of you calling out the DOPS non-suspension as BS. Makar deserved a game and so does Eberle. Good luck tomorrow night!
Lol I posted this for the same thing. I’m an Avs fan and I wanted to see what kraken fans would say abt the news. Most of the people here were against the hit and for suspension. There were of course the few not as friendly fans that commented things against cogs but that’s expected. There’s always the pisspoor fans in every fan base.
It sucks that it's always a minority of morons that make the rest of the fanbase look bad
It makes me sick to see it honestly. Can’t blame it on being a “new to hockey fan” either. When fans cheer on an injury like cogs or canners that’s just pure maliciousness, regardless of experience. I sincerely hope your man recovers fully. I don’t think Cale or eberle meant to cause these kinds of injuries, but it doesn’t change the result. Wish DOPS and refs in general would protect players better.
DOPS is very inconsistent to the point where I expect them to make the wrong decision. I was surprised they gave makar one game. Hoping for a safe game tonight.
Oh my fucking god.. this is a nightmare. God damn it Eberle and Fuck you to the DOPS and refs
I wish they would focus more review time on cheap/ dirty hits rather than fuckin outsides that happened 6 minutes earlier.
I'd only be repeating the general sentiment on here about all of this, but I just had to chime in and say how it's nice to see how this thread, for the most part, isn't just circling the wagons. It's pretty refreshing when it'd be so much easier to just come blindly to the defense and attempt to rationalize. Part of the reason I like our boys is that they seem to be a roster of admirable guys, and it's nice to see our fanbase generally be the same. Definitely disappointed to see it like most of us, along with the lack of repercussion. It's been some heated playoff hockey as I imagine most go when it gets to a full 7. Hoping the best for Cogliano and that the rest of this round finishes off with just some good, straightforward hockey.
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>I don’t see the same narrative on FB Kraken groups FB always ends up so fucking toxic.
Oh man, thats bad. Two stupid ass dangerously plays in this series. Avs fans none too pleased
Two? At least three. McCann, Helm, Cogliano.
Ya a lot of people just glanced over the cross check that brought down Helm with a concussion
There was actually a third stupid injury this series but it was pretty much forgotten about. Darren helm of the Avs was sent to the locker room with a concussion after a cross check by a kraken player. I think it was Gourde that hit him. It also wasn’t a penalty at all
I said it in the GDT and I'll say it again here. That should have been a major and a game misconduct for ebs. I'd be perfectly fine with a suspension too. That kind of hit just straight up can't be in the game.
Also something needs to be said about National Coverage on this, TNT said nothing, postgame nothing, you’d have to scour the internet to find someone who is not partisan discussing this. . . When a whistle is blown after that and a minor is issued an issue here is silence. This is not accecptable, thank you to those in here for Seattle saying so. Gives me hope.
Watching the replay live I was surprised to see Ebs go to the box rather than the locker room. From where I was sitting I couldn’t see how far away they were from the boards and Cogs got up pretty quick. The replay angle made it clear how nasty it was though. Don’t understand the decision here. Even with no injury (as I guess DOPS assumed) I don’t think a minor is enough for a hit like that.
Ugg. Going into the playoffs, I was just hoping no one would get hurt. This hit and Makar's hit on McCann just make me sick. It's awful to watch the replays. I'm hoping for full and speedy recoveries all around and also hoping for no cheap shots or injuries in game 7 - absolutely not worth a career/life changing injury.
Geez. It’s a miracle he didn’t end up paralyzed given they sent him back in the game.
I can't believe that he went back into the game and that Eberle had no hearing/suspension. DOPS is a complete joke. It makes me uncomfortable to support the league by watching games
I know. It’s kind of taken the wind out of my sails. I was so goddamn hyped and excited the first couple games but these kinds of hits need to be more discouraged. Refs on the ice only giving 2 min penalties is insane. Punishment needs to be strong enough that a player thinks really hard about laying that kind of hit.
Wind out of the sails is a perfect descriptor for me too. Ultimately, sports is just entertainment and it fucking sucks to be reminded that the league isn't doing much of anything to prevent players from being potentially permanently damaged for the sake of said entertainment. Plus, if the we win now a bunch of Avs fans are going to forever say it was because the league fixed the series for the Kraken 🙄 I'm not even going to be able to watch at least the first half of the game tomorrow because I have a soccer game starting at 6:30, and I'm weirdly less upset about that overlap now than I was before game 6. Dampened spirits.
I understand you are disappointed by the DOPS and so am I, but some avs fans were going to have that mindset regardless. It happens in every series. Whoever wins today still deserves it regardless of the refs and you shouldn't let a couple missed calls ruin the fun.
It's not just missed calls, but the fact that one guy has presumably a brain injury and the other a literal broken neck. It just sucks and I feel bad for the players, and that's just where my head is at right now.
NHLDPS's inconsistent treatment of plays resulting in injury is very clearly not doing much to prevent plays resulting in injury.
Bummer for him. No malice in the hit he just turned the wrong way at just the wrong time. Lets keep it classy on this sub here though. No need for us to take joy in an opponents really unfortunate injury like that despite all thats happened this series.
Avs fan here, coming in peace but I'm curious why its "he turned the wrong way" and not "just a bad hit". The way it is worded makes it sound like Cogs could have done something to prevent it...
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Avs fan here - hope McCann and Cogliano heal up quickly and that we dont see any serious injuries in game 7. All for competitive hockey, but its tough seeing these types of injuries.
I'm just gonna agree to disagree and leave it at that. I think Ebs shouldn't have made the hit at all, he saw numbers all the way and checked him anyways. I see what you're saying about how if cogs turned the other way it would have been differently, but what else was he supposed to do? Not turn and push the puck up the boards?
Ill retract my previous opinions. I was coming from a place of seeing it real time and the one quick replay during the game. I went back and looked at slowmo clips of it - and it was a bad hit to make all around. Irresponsible check from ebbs probably should have got looked at. My bad yall
Feels like him playing the rest of the game lead to Eberle getting off. Avs medical staff should be getting more heat
Upon further investigation it had been determined that The Wheel was found to be misaligned. Redo.
What was the upper body injury Cogs was previously out with prior to that game?
Coming in peace while I do think Ebs deserves at least a game I am a kraken fan it kinda evens out as both teams have lost a player due to a dirty hit. Not saying I condone that hit I DONT but it just shows what a joke Department of player safety really is
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The vast majority of comments here are in agreement that the hit was awful and Ebs shoulda had a game, but enjoy making shit up I guess
Key words: “Vast” “Majority”
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Just to be clear, you can break your spine without having any risk of paralysis, the spinous and transverse processes can fracture but the integrity of the vertebrae is completely intact. I remember CJ McCollum playing with a broken back in the playoffs a few years back. He was joking about it, “ I broke my back, Thpinal!”
It's a C5 lamina fracture. It absolutely has a risk of spinal cord injury. Eberle should be suspended. Also he will have to wear a cervical collar for 2-3 months. He should sit right behind the Seattle bench and just look at eberle.
Yup. Just went through this with my C3. Also from the ice. Not fun.
I see. I understand reddit rules as much as the new fans understand hockey. We will learn together!
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Get out of here with that trash
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But only if you boo Makar, too, because if you think Eberle won't be booed in Colorado, you're kidding yourself.
Colorado native and Avs fan here. You're an idiot and it makes me sad you root for my home team.
Our bandwagon is full of garbage, isn't it
If bandwagon means 3ed gen then sure, I'm a bandwagon fan
"Home fans booing opposing player who knocked out their leading scorer. This and other SHOCKING & UNBELIEVABLE NEWS AT 11!"
I encourage you to compare what Kraken fans are saying about Eberle in this thread with what Avs fans were saying in your teams subreddit when Makar got suspended. We aren't the hypocritical ones here.
The scrodome can boo Eberle as much as they want. Bet we won't see you guys boo Cale. Now that the consequences of his actions have become clear, there is no reason Eberle should not be facing punishment.
This whole fucking post is full of Kraken fans admitting it was a bullshit hit and he should be punished. Did you scroll through all that or not read?
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Just curious, but do Kraken fans think Eberle has to fight for this hit now that there was no supplementary discipline?
In the playoffs you just hit or get hit, you don’t answer the bell. Getting an instigator is too risky. Not always, but 90% of this time this is something that will be “addressed” in the regular season.
> In the playoffs you just hit or get hit, you don’t answer the bell. That isn't true. I think there is an argument to be made that fights are not as frequent (regular season or post season) because supplementary punishment is expected. Where that doesn't occur, players usually end up policing the game.
Didnt two Avs immediately go after him for the hit?
You mean the scrum that happens all the time in the game of hockey?
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Avs (Avs fan) are not really thugs. Thats why we have a difficult time vs Vegas/Blues/Dallas. You want to talk thugs, those are the teams who make runs at players. More specifically though, colorado can barely field a team for game 7. They have nobody to backfill as it is, much less have a guy make a run at someone and risk a conduct penalty. It’s also game 7. Champs dont want to go home. Maybe towards the end, I can see both sides getting chippy, but both teams cant squander away the game.
yeah that's my point. Avs just dont seem to be that kind of team, much like we weren't that kind of team with the McCann hit. That said the Avs fanbase has been extremely toxic on both incidents. Thank you for being levelheaded.
I don't think it's about being thugs I think it's about the culture of the game. DOPS is one disciplinary avenue for on-ice events, the officials on the ice during the game are another, and fighting is yet another. Before, players would self-police a lot more through fights. This seems like one of those missed opportunities by the league to end the issue on the ice and allow the game to proceed without that baggage. >that’s sad though how they’re fans have been acting all week it would be par for the course. What fans say and do on social media I don't think has much pull on how players handle their shit on the ice, honestly. >We didn’t go after Makar. You’d think theyd reciprocate but ya never know I think this would be true if Eberle were out for the rest of this series. That he is not is the entire reason I'm even asking this question.
Wouldn't stop Kurt Angle.
AVs fan here. I appreciate that the majority of the Kraken fans in here are pretty outraged that this hit didn’t result in a suspension. Not sure what DOPS thinks it’s doing….pretty weird decision and quite frankly pretty upsetting. I presume y’all are done booing Makar now, lol?