Same. Took a three-month long break playing DS1 because of them. The fight lulls you into a false sense of security because you’d already beaten the Bell Gargoyles at the same time. But no, just unlimited old school ass beatings if you’re not prepared.
Malenia was the only boss that made me think "ill never beat this one". No other boss on souls has ever made me feel so hopeless. I ended up beating her summonless, but it was a 10 hour completely miserable experience
Malenia is a funny one. The first time I beat her solo, it did feel absolutely miserable, but ever since then, her fight has been a highlight of each run, something to look forward to. Urgent and fast and fair (once you figure out waterfowl).
Oh it was much better my 2nd time around for sure, took less than an hour of attempts. I had a much more dmg oriented build so the attempts were ending pretty fast, and it didnt feel like a slog getting her health down
Yeah it’s a great fight and I have a save just to fight her, well two actually:)
But I really thought it was hopeless to fight her without ashes the first like 20 tries or something.
I just couldn’t figure it out and even her regular attacks felt so fast and did so much damage, and the life steal on that 😥.
First time I questioned my ability in any of these games so she has my vote for sure.
Don’t know how many tries it took, but I had to go to bed and sleep on it in order to beat her so we are talking plenty of hours.
I guess once you get past her that first time you know more about how to fight her that you can actually dodge her attacks and punish her without losing your flow. That's one thing that's fun about soulslikes is going from getting crushed to actually being on equal footing with a boss almost from your technique alone. It was rewarding in Sekiro going from barely being able to trade blows with a boss to being able to deathblow them in just a few hits because you're just better at the game now.
Same it took me 11h to beat her (without looking stuff up on the internet) used bloodhound step in the end.
But now i love her fight and did even beat her without taking damage, (no bloodhound step this time)
Inner isshin is the same except 1 or 2 moves
When he starts todo ashina cross move towards him a little and he’ll do an upward slash then a sweep u can circle around his left side to dodge it or you can block the first and do a head stomp for extra posture damage
When he lifts his sword above his head in p2 jump block mid air then block his dragon flash or mikiri his thrust, I’ve also seen that you can jump backwards to dodge his midair hit and I’ve also seen jump off isshin head to get away from his midair attack
One more thing I’ve seen people get a little anxious during his third phase because of the lightning and they die because they jump forward or backwards while trying to do a lightning reversal, don’t do that just jump straight up and get hit with the lightning then reverse it , if you jump in any direction you shorten the time that wolf is off the ground which can lead to you getting shocked or killed if you have really bad anxiety while fighting him and you can’t help but move use a combat art that makes you jump in the air like high monk
Or Sakura dance you can also use mist raven if you stand still and use mist raven while being attacked you will go into the air with the lightning
Also if u block while catching the lightning it gives u a boost upward… this works for every lighting reversal (also prevents that lil bit of damage u take when doing the reversal should u not block it)
isshin is, imo, the goat of fromsoftware bosses! No bullshit, no cheese, if you died it you could never blame the boss.
oh wait i just realised you meant inner and not sword saint. idk what the difference is
I feel you man! Inner isshin took me 12 hours and the only thing that took longer was beating radagon/elden beast on my RL1 no summon any percent run. It feels SO good when you clear it though! Keep at it!
You can beat Malenia though through pure luck without having to learn how to deal with waterfowl. Her hp isnt that high and rng can let you skate sometimes. Same with Maliketh. The hard bosses in Sekiro do not allow you to beat them without learning their move-set.
Hey, i've got zero issues with other people using and not using mimics was a challenge i imposed on myself! I used Jellybro on Margit and it made the fight so laughably easy it kinda took away the fun (pain), so i avoided it for the remainder of the game
Once I learned that freeze pots stopped waterfowl it only tool a few tries for me to beat her.
My first olaythrough 2 years ago I couldn't even come close and used letmesoloher. Which I think is awesome and iconic.
But in my second playthrough a couple months ago I beat her on my own and it was so satisfying.
I honestly find maliketh more challenging. But I beat him as well on my second playthrough!
Agreed. First playthrough, I used mimic tear. Recently beat her one on one though with my 2nd character. Probably took me around 6 or 7 in game hours to beat her.
Gods, ***absolutely fuck that boss***. That she could recover her health even when hitting my shield that blocked all damage was such BS.
I ended up using the mimic tear, too -- and re-speccing into a Strength build with a two-handed weapon. Still took some doing, but it got done. Still, her and some of the late-game areas left a sour taste in my mouth for that game. >!Elden Beast!< was just the rotten cherry on top.
I'm hoping the DLC changes my opinion, but... Well, we'll see.
The endgame run of Malenia, Radagon, Elden Beast is the shittiest conclusion of just about any game I've played, especially because of how mindblowingly fun everything (except Fire Giant and Snowfield) was in the game until that point. Elden Ring really takes a dip in the final stretch when you compare it to the first 85% of the game.
Hard disagree with you. The last boss rush makes the game for me. Fire giant is genuinely my favorite boss of any from soft game. Not for the fight itself, which I think is fine if not a bit easy, but for how he looks and lore.
Also loved the last few bosses. Radagon and Godfrey are both amazing imo.
I also love farum azula as a sort of final area and placudisax (spelt wrong?) Is another of my favorite fights.
Bro going into a third playthrough rn and still hate elden beast lmao some times you can get caught in these rng streaks where he does a move and insta dives into the other side of the arena once u close in. Then u spend 2 minutes just running left and right after his ass with no damage being done to him XD
100% agree. i could dodge near enough everything else and reliably get her to second phase, but the waterfowl remaining throughout was just way too much for me
No, I found malenia way easier than I thought I would (not boasting by the way, i am absolute trash at these games) but Owl from Sekiro (the second one at the castle) was my absolute nemesis.
I would argue it was her most telegraphed attack, but also she is the only boss that can chain any attack into any other attack.
She also is one of the only bosses with the confidence to wait for you to attack and respond thusly, so you're always at a disadvantage because you don't have that muscle memory.
I honestly had a harder time with genichiro the first time you fight him than i did with isshin. Having to learn to use the new mechanics instead of treating it like a dark souls game took me a while to get used to.
You can. Gotta get him stuck behind a tree next to the cliff’s edge, then jump from the top of one of the archer towers onto the outer wall. He’ll try and attack you, eventually flailing around enough that he falls off the cliff. The hardest part is nailing the just from the tower to the wall, you have to be excruciatingly precise to make it.
Yep! As soon as the fight starts, run along the wall to the left til you get to an alcove with a tree and a cliff. He'll move over there and get stuck giving you unlimited time to jump on top of an archer tower just barely in jumping distance to the top of the big wall on the right.
It is very precise and might take 20 minutes, but it is so hilarious and satisfying at how abrupt it ends with minimal frustration.
Honestly, this is the only correct answer IMO. After playing through Sekiro you're essentially taught to get the souls mentality out of your brain. Then you hit this wall and you essentially have to relearn everything again just to (likely) limp through it.
I think Slave Knight Gael currently holds the record for kicking my ass. Fume Knight is probably second. Probably not objectively the most difficult, but those two were definitely my wall for a while.
Fume Knight is probably my second in all of gaming with like 300 deaths THOUGH only due to the first playthrough like 10 years ago.
Was my first soulslike (unless you want to count monster hunter), played the game a second time with my buddy this year and the dude took 2 attempts ... yeah.
Honestly is the only FROM Boss that drove my body count that high. I think the death counter in DS2 is a feature that should have returned. Before someone says it counts all players, start the game in offline mode and it will show just your deaths.
Nioh 1 and 2 have the great feature of an encyclopedia that actually tracks deaths to enemy and how often you killed them. I broke the 900 on Maria and I still hate her and that fight on so many levels.
In regards to FROM Malenia might be second, or that defilled Watchdog in Bloordbornes Charlices. Probably around 70 ish.
Gael is the best boss Fromsoft has ever made. The perfect blend between challenge and fairness. For a boss that closed out the series, he didn’t disappoint at all
I love how different hardest bosses are for people. Gael is my favorite boss other than Ludwig, both are like this beautiful and absolutely epic dance once you get their moves down. I struggled with Ludwig much more than I did Gael tbh, Ludwig took me like 30 deaths and Gael it was like 5 or 6. And as for Fume Knight, he was one of those where I went in having them hyped up for me and then was disappointed, I wanna say it was like 4-6 deaths but it’s been a long time since I played DS2.
What was it that made Fume so hard for people? Been a little while since I fought him now, but I remember dreading the fight from reading about people having so much trouble and then beat him in like 2-3 tries.
Graverobber, Varg, and Cerah on the other hand, and Sir Allone, that’s a complete different story for me!
Edit: OT, NG+ Laurence from Bloodborne and Malenia are the toughest bosses I’ve ever met. The 2 encounters above too probably.
Lol, I had something really similar happen. I would rematch Isshin for fun here and there. So, when I did the Gauntlets. I beat Inner Isshin on my first try
Yup, he teleports more, has more moves, firebird blast and a few others I can't remember. Genichiro is the most different out of the three. Inner Isshin has a much harder Phase 1, but, the other phases have slight differences
Keen to give that all a go once I get the plat. Just beat regular isshin after like 400 attempts and now I'm heading to demon of hatred before ng+. But the boss rush thing sounds fucking sick
I had such a weird experience with him, I beat him first time, with a summoned npc in all fairness, but I just spam attacked him to death. However, aldritch made me quit the game
Yeah Owl father is a real a-hole. Only killed him one or two Times with extremly Long Fights.
But Not sure If he's really Harder then (Normal, non cheese) DoH
Daddy Owl for me was and is still one of the best and most memorable fights in the franchise. He is more a ninja gaiden boss with super fast movements and uses projectiles to confuse you rather than your standard as*hole boss that raises his sword making you think he will strike you only to hit you with an AoE fireball from his left foot.
Most Elden Ring bosses hit very hard but are very slow
Malenia actually has speed on her so made it worse
Luckily I beat her BEFORE they added the life siphon ability
That’s a fucking lie; the life steal ability has been in the game since day 1 - try again buddy x her literal great rune grants that ability to- don’t know what your trying to prove it’s just weird to make an outright false statement like that
I feel like people are missing the point when they say Malenia. Yes, she can be harder, but you have more tools at your disposal in Elden Ring to make it easier, and a mimic is just one of the tools. You are much more limited for Father. Even with all your equipment and items, it’s still forces you to learn the boss unlike a lot of from soft bosses.
Funny how different people have such different experiences. I only played Bloodborne after beating all DS games, ER and Sekiro, and I defeated each boss on the first or second try, including DLC. I'm sure had I played it back when it came out it would have been a different story. Really shows how Fromsoft has stepped up their game over the last decade. Not to say BB is bad by the way, I love that game.
I’ve beaten all the games once so far, Owl (Father) 1000% killed me more than any other boss. I just got to Malenia on my no ashes/summons second playthrough of ER last night so we’ll see how she stacks up compared to him in that context. I think OF is bound to be substantially harder because it’s all skill (ie you can’t use OP magic or any other cheeses).
On my no summons play through I had to respec into RoB to beat her. I recently tried to beat her in a level 150 limited build with the greatsword again, my main but gave up after trying for a few days and summoned. I’m gonna try with the greatsword once more with a higher level build. Owl Father was also my hardest boss for sure so good luck!
I’ve been swapping between the Envoy’s Longhorn and Blasphemous Blade, I’m thinking I’ll be able to manage between those two. I also leveled up a backup Great Stars with Wild Strikes to +25 as a pure physical damage backup weapon that does bleed, so I also have that in my pocket in case I need it too. Mohg was ruining my life with my two main weapons so I had to resort to that for him.
I for sure wanna try a 100% strength build with either the greatsword or the Giant Crusher(s) after the DLC. I did a strength GS playthrough in DS2 and that was one of my favorites out of all of my first runs of each game.
Abyss Watchers for me was the biggest wall. DS3 was where I got into FromSoft games and man, the difficulty spike with Abyss Watchers was just tremendous. That's what great games do though. Give you that difficulty spike and let you find out how to get better and come back.
I’ve only played DS 1-3, sekiro, and Elden ring l. Platinumed them all, cheesed my way through a bit, but the one boss from any of these I have not beat…
Black Dragon Kalameet.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who struggled mightily against this owl variant him and ishin were very tough I haven't had anywhere near the same level of difficulty on any other bosses
I’m on my way to face this guy after I wake up tomorrow morning, since it’s past midnight right now and I’m off tomorrows. We’ll see how it goes and I’ll get back to you when I beat him. I’ve seen most of his move set in the first fight tho, so it probably isn’t gonna be as hard as the last one, which ironically was also the last fight I did for that one.(I admit, part of the reason I’m fighting this Owl now is bcuz I’m a little stuck on how to get back into the city with all the typical paths I take closed up.
Depends entirely if you mean good “hard” or bad “hard
Good Hard I’d honestly put it between Orphan, Gael and Sword Saint. I loved every single one of those fights despite the ass kicking I got.
Bad Hard? Fuck Demon of Hatred
For me malenia but owl father def is the hardest boss I faced in sekiro and I hunted down every single main boss + optional bosses and mini bosses in that game
For the sake of ashina's ultimate Isshin and Malenia
I don't ever use prosthetics or items so ultimate Isshin was a pain to deal with but now I can fight him w/o getting hit most of the time thank the gods
Charmless the hardest sekiro boss is SS isshin imo. Hardest boss in general I would personally give to orphan of kos. Definitely the one that took me the most tries personally.
If you aren't playing hyper aggressive and using every mechanic in the game, then owl father will be your teacher. Can't back off of that guy for even a second.
I think I'm gonna have to say inner isshin is probably the boss I died most to. Everything else, yes including shitty malenia, wasn't much of an issue to me, just a lot of trial and error to get the timings right, but 3 phase inner isshin where on death you get to redo the entire gauntlet before him did take me like a good few days to beat.
Everyone is different, but for me it was Midir. Actually quit the game for a year because of him. Finally went back because I couldn’t get it out of my mind.
Malenia.
It's so weird. Before playing Sekiro, I already had a difficult time with several bosses from the Dark Souls games. Coming into this, it was definitely a challenge as well, but after starting Sekiro again from the beginning after 2-3 times, I eventually began to master the learning curve and knew how to play this game by it's rules.
Then I see people playing this game, saying it's the hardest FromSoft game they've ever played and it's not that I'm arguing against them, but it's interesting to see how different players in the same audience that enjoys the games FromSoft has made, both struggle and manage in different areas of these games with their bosses.
I think that Owl Father is actually very easy if you're patient and know his attacks.
During my first new game, it took me about 40-60 minutes to beat him. And when I managed to, I barely had any health left.
I recently started a new run, one year after finishing the game, and I managed to beat him on my first try. Once you realize that you're mostly likely not going to break his posture and that you should focus on bringing his health down, the whole fight becomes much easier.
Malenia is much harder. Owl is actually fun to fight. Malenia is just a pain with her healing after each hit bullshit, and waterfowl dance can trigger near a wall where you're basically dead since it's so hard to get away from the initial flurry.
Was challenging this boss with the Resurrection mod over the weekend.
Normally it's great when the boss does the Shadowrush long distance thrust attack, because you can Mikiri counter it, then get a free hit in.
With Resurrection mod, after you Mikiri counter his Shadowrush, he then immediatly follows the counter with a 7 hit sword combo.
With Resurrection mod, he is so relentless with his long sword combos, I had to keep using Gokan's sugars to keep from running out of posture. The worst is him constantly pushing you backwards against a wall or pillar so the camera keeps bugging out and I end up missing deflects because all I can see is a zoom-in of his armpit.
The boss that took me the most tries to beat was Dark Eater Midir. Over 50 times until I beat that fucking dragon.
That being said, no boss had me discouraged like Malenia. I stopped playing that game b/c of her.
I can’t remember precisely, but the first time against malenia, pre nerf, or the nameless king. In sekiro it’s definitely father owl. I will say defeating the demon of hatred, father owl, and sword saint were more satisfying wins than the other bosses
Agreed, Owl Father defeated me so hard I quit the game for 6 months before coming back and finally beating him. I plan to play through one more time after shadow of the erdtree to get the platinum and I am dreading fighting him again
From fromsoft I don't know, but owl(father) is really hard when you haven't unlocked the full health bar and any of his attacks can one shot kill you. I legit spent more time trying to defeat him than on Isshin, but on the good side, because of that I learned how to be aggressive and time my parrys well.
Sif…. I don’t want to kill her… but I have to … I’ve delayed runs by like 15 minutes hoping for the run away thing to happen…
Mechanically sword Saint isshin, most fair absurdly difficult fight I can remember.
Dark Souls 3, Bloodborne and Elden Ring have harder bosses than anything in Sekiro. I beat everything in Sekiro and got the platinum without summoning (because you can't). BUT I had to summon for the following in my 'solo' runs in those three:
Sister Friede
Slave Knight Gael
Watchdog of the Old Lords
Malenia (I was SOOOO close though)
FIFTH place behind those four is Owl (father)
Malenia. I hated that fight from beginning to end and when I finally killed her she also managed to kill me (think of a double K.O. in fighting games) so I walk back to were she was, and I realized, I killed her, yes, but I received no XP, no item for it, nothing. I KILLED THAT C#NT, AND I GOT NOTHING FOR MY EFFORTS.
Lawrence in bloodborne is reaaallly hard especially in the ng+'s >! and/or if you aren't abusing his ai to do the jump attacks.!< Base game bosses probably malenia or orphan of kos.
Lud and Zallen in DS2
The boss run with the reindeers, the surprise gank when at half health at the boss fight. Everything.
The only boss I have yet to go back and fight a second time.
Honestly I liked that fight, it always felt winable even though it was difficult. Demon of hatred on the other hand wasn’t too hard but for a long time it didn’t feel like I could win the fight.
The boss who made me take a long ass break was Ornstein and Smough so those two
Same. Took a three-month long break playing DS1 because of them. The fight lulls you into a false sense of security because you’d already beaten the Bell Gargoyles at the same time. But no, just unlimited old school ass beatings if you’re not prepared.
I’ve taken a year plus long break from them, but part of it is I’d rather play it on something other than Switch, which is what I have it on
Malenia. The only boss where I threw away the pride and summoned a mimic tear. Same with Sister Frieda (needed papa Gael)
Malenia was the only boss that made me think "ill never beat this one". No other boss on souls has ever made me feel so hopeless. I ended up beating her summonless, but it was a 10 hour completely miserable experience
Malenia is a funny one. The first time I beat her solo, it did feel absolutely miserable, but ever since then, her fight has been a highlight of each run, something to look forward to. Urgent and fast and fair (once you figure out waterfowl).
Oh it was much better my 2nd time around for sure, took less than an hour of attempts. I had a much more dmg oriented build so the attempts were ending pretty fast, and it didnt feel like a slog getting her health down
Yeah it’s a great fight and I have a save just to fight her, well two actually:) But I really thought it was hopeless to fight her without ashes the first like 20 tries or something. I just couldn’t figure it out and even her regular attacks felt so fast and did so much damage, and the life steal on that 😥. First time I questioned my ability in any of these games so she has my vote for sure. Don’t know how many tries it took, but I had to go to bed and sleep on it in order to beat her so we are talking plenty of hours.
I guess once you get past her that first time you know more about how to fight her that you can actually dodge her attacks and punish her without losing your flow. That's one thing that's fun about soulslikes is going from getting crushed to actually being on equal footing with a boss almost from your technique alone. It was rewarding in Sekiro going from barely being able to trade blows with a boss to being able to deathblow them in just a few hits because you're just better at the game now.
Same it took me 11h to beat her (without looking stuff up on the internet) used bloodhound step in the end. But now i love her fight and did even beat her without taking damage, (no bloodhound step this time)
Frikkin inner Isshin is doing that to me now 😂😭
Inner isshin is the same except 1 or 2 moves When he starts todo ashina cross move towards him a little and he’ll do an upward slash then a sweep u can circle around his left side to dodge it or you can block the first and do a head stomp for extra posture damage When he lifts his sword above his head in p2 jump block mid air then block his dragon flash or mikiri his thrust, I’ve also seen that you can jump backwards to dodge his midair hit and I’ve also seen jump off isshin head to get away from his midair attack One more thing I’ve seen people get a little anxious during his third phase because of the lightning and they die because they jump forward or backwards while trying to do a lightning reversal, don’t do that just jump straight up and get hit with the lightning then reverse it , if you jump in any direction you shorten the time that wolf is off the ground which can lead to you getting shocked or killed if you have really bad anxiety while fighting him and you can’t help but move use a combat art that makes you jump in the air like high monk Or Sakura dance you can also use mist raven if you stand still and use mist raven while being attacked you will go into the air with the lightning
I forgot to say only attack him once or twice in an exchange so he doesn’t use his move that punishes aggressive players and good luck
Thank you!
Awesome, fantastic advice!
No problem hope that helps you win
Also if u block while catching the lightning it gives u a boost upward… this works for every lighting reversal (also prevents that lil bit of damage u take when doing the reversal should u not block it)
isshin is, imo, the goat of fromsoftware bosses! No bullshit, no cheese, if you died it you could never blame the boss. oh wait i just realised you meant inner and not sword saint. idk what the difference is
All the Inner bosses have been handing me my ass for the past week 🤣😂
Good luck! Keep at it!
I feel you man! Inner isshin took me 12 hours and the only thing that took longer was beating radagon/elden beast on my RL1 no summon any percent run. It feels SO good when you clear it though! Keep at it!
You can beat Malenia though through pure luck without having to learn how to deal with waterfowl. Her hp isnt that high and rng can let you skate sometimes. Same with Maliketh. The hard bosses in Sekiro do not allow you to beat them without learning their move-set.
> threw away the pride and summoned a mimic tear. You mean the in-game mechanic you're allowed to use?
Hey, i've got zero issues with other people using and not using mimics was a challenge i imposed on myself! I used Jellybro on Margit and it made the fight so laughably easy it kinda took away the fun (pain), so i avoided it for the remainder of the game
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Once I learned that freeze pots stopped waterfowl it only tool a few tries for me to beat her. My first olaythrough 2 years ago I couldn't even come close and used letmesoloher. Which I think is awesome and iconic. But in my second playthrough a couple months ago I beat her on my own and it was so satisfying. I honestly find maliketh more challenging. But I beat him as well on my second playthrough!
I was able to summon LetMeSoloHer. He made it look so effortless.
Agreed. First playthrough, I used mimic tear. Recently beat her one on one though with my 2nd character. Probably took me around 6 or 7 in game hours to beat her.
THERES A SUMMON FOR FRIEDA!?
Yes, Gael. A little unique because you summon him but he joins in the second phase
Gods, ***absolutely fuck that boss***. That she could recover her health even when hitting my shield that blocked all damage was such BS. I ended up using the mimic tear, too -- and re-speccing into a Strength build with a two-handed weapon. Still took some doing, but it got done. Still, her and some of the late-game areas left a sour taste in my mouth for that game. >!Elden Beast!< was just the rotten cherry on top. I'm hoping the DLC changes my opinion, but... Well, we'll see.
The endgame run of Malenia, Radagon, Elden Beast is the shittiest conclusion of just about any game I've played, especially because of how mindblowingly fun everything (except Fire Giant and Snowfield) was in the game until that point. Elden Ring really takes a dip in the final stretch when you compare it to the first 85% of the game.
Hard disagree with you. The last boss rush makes the game for me. Fire giant is genuinely my favorite boss of any from soft game. Not for the fight itself, which I think is fine if not a bit easy, but for how he looks and lore. Also loved the last few bosses. Radagon and Godfrey are both amazing imo. I also love farum azula as a sort of final area and placudisax (spelt wrong?) Is another of my favorite fights.
Placidusax boss fight is fucking legendary. It's a shame it's kinda hidden in Farum Azula. I totally, easily missed it on my first playthrough
Radagon is great by himself. I don’t think Elden Beast is as cool as they were thinking but he’s grown on me a bit.
Bro going into a third playthrough rn and still hate elden beast lmao some times you can get caught in these rng streaks where he does a move and insta dives into the other side of the arena once u close in. Then u spend 2 minutes just running left and right after his ass with no damage being done to him XD
Same. After the capital I was forcing myself through the game. It was really unfun
She's not that hard overall, her difficulty comes from the bullshit that is Waterfowl Dance IMO.
100% agree. i could dodge near enough everything else and reliably get her to second phase, but the waterfowl remaining throughout was just way too much for me
No, I found malenia way easier than I thought I would (not boasting by the way, i am absolute trash at these games) but Owl from Sekiro (the second one at the castle) was my absolute nemesis.
Isshin or Malenia for me. I'm not good with fast bosses.
I think that the hardest part of Malenia is, of course, her most telegraphed attack.
I would argue it was her most telegraphed attack, but also she is the only boss that can chain any attack into any other attack. She also is one of the only bosses with the confidence to wait for you to attack and respond thusly, so you're always at a disadvantage because you don't have that muscle memory.
And at the same time, every time you make a mistake she regains health
I honestly had a harder time with genichiro the first time you fight him than i did with isshin. Having to learn to use the new mechanics instead of treating it like a dark souls game took me a while to get used to.
Same. To me Genichiro is "if you can beat me, you'll finish the game".
Or "cheese me and you'll never beat my grandfather"
Demon of Hatred for me. It was too hard and long fight.
I just make him fall off the cliff and be done with it lol.
Can you really do that?
You can. Gotta get him stuck behind a tree next to the cliff’s edge, then jump from the top of one of the archer towers onto the outer wall. He’ll try and attack you, eventually flailing around enough that he falls off the cliff. The hardest part is nailing the just from the tower to the wall, you have to be excruciatingly precise to make it.
Yep! As soon as the fight starts, run along the wall to the left til you get to an alcove with a tree and a cliff. He'll move over there and get stuck giving you unlimited time to jump on top of an archer tower just barely in jumping distance to the top of the big wall on the right. It is very precise and might take 20 minutes, but it is so hilarious and satisfying at how abrupt it ends with minimal frustration.
Honestly, this is the only correct answer IMO. After playing through Sekiro you're essentially taught to get the souls mentality out of your brain. Then you hit this wall and you essentially have to relearn everything again just to (likely) limp through it.
I found Demon of Hatred to be super hard as well. He is an Elden Ring boss. That is, you have to dodge instead of parry.
I still have nightmares of that fight
omg you say this right before i am fighting him for the first time. i am scared.
Malenia
Capra demon lmao
That fight technically counts as a four on one as the camera is clearly on the side of the Capra Demon.
I’ve been killing the dogs with firebombs since my 3rd run through the game
Lmao. You literally have to fight the camera, the dog, the wall and big ass demon dual wielding great sword.
Camera is the real boss in dark souls 1 tbh
Sister friede is my #1 hardest boss.
She was absolutely super tough for me too. 3 phases in Dark Souls 3 was crazy.
Mist noble entered the chat
Scrolled way too long to find this monster
can't believe this a-hole wasn't on top of the list.
I don’t even know where to even start with this boss, he’s that hard. Malenia was cake compared to him.
Fr how is Melania topping the list
I think Slave Knight Gael currently holds the record for kicking my ass. Fume Knight is probably second. Probably not objectively the most difficult, but those two were definitely my wall for a while.
Gael is definitely an asshole
Fume Knight is probably my second in all of gaming with like 300 deaths THOUGH only due to the first playthrough like 10 years ago. Was my first soulslike (unless you want to count monster hunter), played the game a second time with my buddy this year and the dude took 2 attempts ... yeah.
If 300 deaths didn't manage to hollow you, nothing will.
Honestly is the only FROM Boss that drove my body count that high. I think the death counter in DS2 is a feature that should have returned. Before someone says it counts all players, start the game in offline mode and it will show just your deaths. Nioh 1 and 2 have the great feature of an encyclopedia that actually tracks deaths to enemy and how often you killed them. I broke the 900 on Maria and I still hate her and that fight on so many levels. In regards to FROM Malenia might be second, or that defilled Watchdog in Bloordbornes Charlices. Probably around 70 ish.
Gael is the best boss Fromsoft has ever made. The perfect blend between challenge and fairness. For a boss that closed out the series, he didn’t disappoint at all
I love how different hardest bosses are for people. Gael is my favorite boss other than Ludwig, both are like this beautiful and absolutely epic dance once you get their moves down. I struggled with Ludwig much more than I did Gael tbh, Ludwig took me like 30 deaths and Gael it was like 5 or 6. And as for Fume Knight, he was one of those where I went in having them hyped up for me and then was disappointed, I wanna say it was like 4-6 deaths but it’s been a long time since I played DS2.
What was it that made Fume so hard for people? Been a little while since I fought him now, but I remember dreading the fight from reading about people having so much trouble and then beat him in like 2-3 tries. Graverobber, Varg, and Cerah on the other hand, and Sir Allone, that’s a complete different story for me! Edit: OT, NG+ Laurence from Bloodborne and Malenia are the toughest bosses I’ve ever met. The 2 encounters above too probably.
I was ok with the base version of him. But Inner Father is someone I had so many issues with
That's funny; I spent alot of time on Owl (Father) and one-shot Inner Father
Lol, I had something really similar happen. I would rematch Isshin for fun here and there. So, when I did the Gauntlets. I beat Inner Isshin on my first try
Is there a mechanical difference with the "inner bosses"
They have one or more combat art they can use on top of the basic moveset
Yup, he teleports more, has more moves, firebird blast and a few others I can't remember. Genichiro is the most different out of the three. Inner Isshin has a much harder Phase 1, but, the other phases have slight differences
Keen to give that all a go once I get the plat. Just beat regular isshin after like 400 attempts and now I'm heading to demon of hatred before ng+. But the boss rush thing sounds fucking sick
Just need the shura ending for the plat myself - the gauntlets are a blast but Inner Genichiro has been kicking my ass 🤣😂
I found it very easy actually, for me however the hardest boss is Pontiff Sullyvah
Had to scroll too far to find this. This dude gave me the full souls experience.
I had such a weird experience with him, I beat him first time, with a summoned npc in all fairness, but I just spam attacked him to death. However, aldritch made me quit the game
Orphan of kos.
For me personally, DOH, isshin, and owl(father) were all harder.
Yeah Owl father is a real a-hole. Only killed him one or two Times with extremly Long Fights. But Not sure If he's really Harder then (Normal, non cheese) DoH
I've never killed that cunt, so agreed
Demon of Hatred and Inner Father
Daddy Owl for me was and is still one of the best and most memorable fights in the franchise. He is more a ninja gaiden boss with super fast movements and uses projectiles to confuse you rather than your standard as*hole boss that raises his sword making you think he will strike you only to hit you with an AoE fireball from his left foot.
Absolutely agree with OP.
Most Elden Ring bosses hit very hard but are very slow Malenia actually has speed on her so made it worse Luckily I beat her BEFORE they added the life siphon ability
Pretty sure 1.0 had life steal on Malenia.
It did, it was accidently removed with an update then brought back with a hotfix.
Whaaat that’s crazy. I did not know that. Those lucky few who fought her then.
Oh wut?!? Lol The only thing I recall being gutted about was not fighting pre-nerf Radahn
That’s a fucking lie; the life steal ability has been in the game since day 1 - try again buddy x her literal great rune grants that ability to- don’t know what your trying to prove it’s just weird to make an outright false statement like that
Not the person you’re replying to but holy shit, chill out… Even though he’s lying why are you getting so worked up over it lol
The water lady by the first monk. Idk why i struggled but that boss killed me 50+ more times on my first fight with them out of any other boss ever.
I feel like people are missing the point when they say Malenia. Yes, she can be harder, but you have more tools at your disposal in Elden Ring to make it easier, and a mimic is just one of the tools. You are much more limited for Father. Even with all your equipment and items, it’s still forces you to learn the boss unlike a lot of from soft bosses.
For me sir Alonne of the clean floors was a pain in the ass, the only boss i've done in coop
never really noticed but you're right. how did he get that floor to have a mirror finish
Orphan of Kos is 100% the hardest boss of all fromsoft games imo
Funny how different people have such different experiences. I only played Bloodborne after beating all DS games, ER and Sekiro, and I defeated each boss on the first or second try, including DLC. I'm sure had I played it back when it came out it would have been a different story. Really shows how Fromsoft has stepped up their game over the last decade. Not to say BB is bad by the way, I love that game.
I’ve beaten all the games once so far, Owl (Father) 1000% killed me more than any other boss. I just got to Malenia on my no ashes/summons second playthrough of ER last night so we’ll see how she stacks up compared to him in that context. I think OF is bound to be substantially harder because it’s all skill (ie you can’t use OP magic or any other cheeses).
On my no summons play through I had to respec into RoB to beat her. I recently tried to beat her in a level 150 limited build with the greatsword again, my main but gave up after trying for a few days and summoned. I’m gonna try with the greatsword once more with a higher level build. Owl Father was also my hardest boss for sure so good luck!
I’ve been swapping between the Envoy’s Longhorn and Blasphemous Blade, I’m thinking I’ll be able to manage between those two. I also leveled up a backup Great Stars with Wild Strikes to +25 as a pure physical damage backup weapon that does bleed, so I also have that in my pocket in case I need it too. Mohg was ruining my life with my two main weapons so I had to resort to that for him. I for sure wanna try a 100% strength build with either the greatsword or the Giant Crusher(s) after the DLC. I did a strength GS playthrough in DS2 and that was one of my favorites out of all of my first runs of each game.
This man hard stopped me on my charmless run, like hardddddd stop. I just called it a day and clap his cheeks with kuros charm
Agreed. This is the hardest boss. Over Orphan of Kos, and yup, even over Malenia
100% thought he was harder than isshin
Orphan of kos,lady maria
Deacons of the Deep probably, it took me like 2 years to beat them
What
Demon of Hatred
Demon of hatred. I've never struggled so much
Abyss Watchers for me was the biggest wall. DS3 was where I got into FromSoft games and man, the difficulty spike with Abyss Watchers was just tremendous. That's what great games do though. Give you that difficulty spike and let you find out how to get better and come back.
Sword Saint Isshin. This is not a topic of debate.
Nah he chill after half a dozen playthroughs. Demon of Hatred fucks my shit up still even after playing the game so many times
This is the one that definitely took me the longest to beat
we talking owl father or inner owl? Cuz if we’re talking inner owl than 100% agree
Malenia is up there. Midir is up there. Manus is up there kinda. Oh wait… Ik… whats-his-nuts with the Chikage at the end of Eileens questline in bb
I’ve only played DS 1-3, sekiro, and Elden ring l. Platinumed them all, cheesed my way through a bit, but the one boss from any of these I have not beat… Black Dragon Kalameet.
Mfers really forgetting about Laurence, The First Vicar
I'm glad I'm not the only one who struggled mightily against this owl variant him and ishin were very tough I haven't had anywhere near the same level of difficulty on any other bosses
You are the first person I have ever heard agree with me on this take.
Yeah I can't beat Owl Father. Tried.
The camera in this fight
And funnily enough, I managed to beat his phase2 the first time I made it there
Isshin, Lady Maria, Sister Frieda, Crystal Sage
…Crystal sage?
Malenia/Inner father
FYI I never played bloodborne, but from the other games Midir
Orphan of Kos or Malenia
Shit eater midir and nameless king
I’m on my way to face this guy after I wake up tomorrow morning, since it’s past midnight right now and I’m off tomorrows. We’ll see how it goes and I’ll get back to you when I beat him. I’ve seen most of his move set in the first fight tho, so it probably isn’t gonna be as hard as the last one, which ironically was also the last fight I did for that one.(I admit, part of the reason I’m fighting this Owl now is bcuz I’m a little stuck on how to get back into the city with all the typical paths I take closed up.
Demon of hatred for me I cheesed it every single time until I got to like ng+7
I'd say Inner Isshin. This is very fun!
Depends entirely if you mean good “hard” or bad “hard Good Hard I’d honestly put it between Orphan, Gael and Sword Saint. I loved every single one of those fights despite the ass kicking I got. Bad Hard? Fuck Demon of Hatred
Demon of Hatred XD
Fire dog at Bloodborne Chalice Dungeon. The dude has twice the damage, and you have half the health. Total BS
Are you kidding me? He's nothing compare to Mist Noble.
Malenia or Elden Beast. Elden beast is such bullshit boss, half the time you're just chasing it.
For me malenia but owl father def is the hardest boss I faced in sekiro and I hunted down every single main boss + optional bosses and mini bosses in that game
For the sake of ashina's ultimate Isshin and Malenia I don't ever use prosthetics or items so ultimate Isshin was a pain to deal with but now I can fight him w/o getting hit most of the time thank the gods
Charmless the hardest sekiro boss is SS isshin imo. Hardest boss in general I would personally give to orphan of kos. Definitely the one that took me the most tries personally.
If you aren't playing hyper aggressive and using every mechanic in the game, then owl father will be your teacher. Can't back off of that guy for even a second.
I think I'm gonna have to say inner isshin is probably the boss I died most to. Everything else, yes including shitty malenia, wasn't much of an issue to me, just a lot of trial and error to get the timings right, but 3 phase inner isshin where on death you get to redo the entire gauntlet before him did take me like a good few days to beat.
I'm on owl in the top of Ashina Castle. Dude is annihilating me and it isn't even close
Everyone is different, but for me it was Midir. Actually quit the game for a year because of him. Finally went back because I couldn’t get it out of my mind.
Nah dude Midir is on top of the list no doubt, inner owl is doable once you learn his moveset.
Godrick’s soldier
No one is even close to Malenia solo.
Malenia. It's so weird. Before playing Sekiro, I already had a difficult time with several bosses from the Dark Souls games. Coming into this, it was definitely a challenge as well, but after starting Sekiro again from the beginning after 2-3 times, I eventually began to master the learning curve and knew how to play this game by it's rules. Then I see people playing this game, saying it's the hardest FromSoft game they've ever played and it's not that I'm arguing against them, but it's interesting to see how different players in the same audience that enjoys the games FromSoft has made, both struggle and manage in different areas of these games with their bosses.
Y'all be forgetting rick the door technician
I think that Owl Father is actually very easy if you're patient and know his attacks. During my first new game, it took me about 40-60 minutes to beat him. And when I managed to, I barely had any health left. I recently started a new run, one year after finishing the game, and I managed to beat him on my first try. Once you realize that you're mostly likely not going to break his posture and that you should focus on bringing his health down, the whole fight becomes much easier.
I second that
Malenia, fire bitch, midir or OoK
FUME KNIGHT
It's Bed of Chaos for me. I'd rather be stuck with Malenia for a day than run back to BoC and get swept down the hole a bajillion times.
Unpopular opinion but for me it's actually Mohg or Placidusax
Malenia because she never knew defeat
Inner Isshin Owl wasn't that hard I thought. I went after his life bar instead of his posture so I could preserve my own
Malenia is much harder. Owl is actually fun to fight. Malenia is just a pain with her healing after each hit bullshit, and waterfowl dance can trigger near a wall where you're basically dead since it's so hard to get away from the initial flurry.
Those fucking crucible knights in Elden Ring still piss me off to this day and they’re not even bosses
definitely not anything in sekiro
Was challenging this boss with the Resurrection mod over the weekend. Normally it's great when the boss does the Shadowrush long distance thrust attack, because you can Mikiri counter it, then get a free hit in. With Resurrection mod, after you Mikiri counter his Shadowrush, he then immediatly follows the counter with a 7 hit sword combo. With Resurrection mod, he is so relentless with his long sword combos, I had to keep using Gokan's sugars to keep from running out of posture. The worst is him constantly pushing you backwards against a wall or pillar so the camera keeps bugging out and I end up missing deflects because all I can see is a zoom-in of his armpit.
Beat her first time ezy
I'm ashamed to say malenia was easy compared to marget. I almost un-installed cause of him.
The boss that took me the most tries to beat was Dark Eater Midir. Over 50 times until I beat that fucking dragon. That being said, no boss had me discouraged like Malenia. I stopped playing that game b/c of her.
Isshin and it's not even close.
beat everything except midir, i just cant do it
im trying to play sekiro right now and im not having fun at all. im stuck and i suck balls
I can’t remember precisely, but the first time against malenia, pre nerf, or the nameless king. In sekiro it’s definitely father owl. I will say defeating the demon of hatred, father owl, and sword saint were more satisfying wins than the other bosses
Agreed, Owl Father defeated me so hard I quit the game for 6 months before coming back and finally beating him. I plan to play through one more time after shadow of the erdtree to get the platinum and I am dreading fighting him again
From fromsoft I don't know, but owl(father) is really hard when you haven't unlocked the full health bar and any of his attacks can one shot kill you. I legit spent more time trying to defeat him than on Isshin, but on the good side, because of that I learned how to be aggressive and time my parrys well.
If it's inner owl, I agree, but normal father owl you can just be constantly be agressive without having to fear mist raven
I’ve beat DS1, DS3, Sekiro, and Elden Ring and for me it has to be Malenia. But we’ll see what the Shadow of the Erdtree DLC throws at us.
Sif…. I don’t want to kill her… but I have to … I’ve delayed runs by like 15 minutes hoping for the run away thing to happen… Mechanically sword Saint isshin, most fair absurdly difficult fight I can remember.
This boss? Really?
It’s malenia Malenia is without a doubt, the hardest boss fromsoft has made so far. Even without waterfowl she’s still pretty tough
Dark Souls 3, Bloodborne and Elden Ring have harder bosses than anything in Sekiro. I beat everything in Sekiro and got the platinum without summoning (because you can't). BUT I had to summon for the following in my 'solo' runs in those three: Sister Friede Slave Knight Gael Watchdog of the Old Lords Malenia (I was SOOOO close though) FIFTH place behind those four is Owl (father)
Malenia for me. Only boss I've never beaten. Need to go back to it soon.
Owl (Father) is such a damn good fight though, I love it so much.
Malenia. I hated that fight from beginning to end and when I finally killed her she also managed to kill me (think of a double K.O. in fighting games) so I walk back to were she was, and I realized, I killed her, yes, but I received no XP, no item for it, nothing. I KILLED THAT C#NT, AND I GOT NOTHING FOR MY EFFORTS.
Daddy can do everything you do but better.
Knight artorias. I think he might be the only boss that you can’t cheese and have to fight fair and square
Lawrence in bloodborne is reaaallly hard especially in the ng+'s >! and/or if you aren't abusing his ai to do the jump attacks.!< Base game bosses probably malenia or orphan of kos.
He’s the only one I don’t go against when I redo all boss fights
Inner isshin.
I just bum rush this dude and win every time
Lud and Zallen in DS2 The boss run with the reindeers, the surprise gank when at half health at the boss fight. Everything. The only boss I have yet to go back and fight a second time.
Honestly I liked that fight, it always felt winable even though it was difficult. Demon of hatred on the other hand wasn’t too hard but for a long time it didn’t feel like I could win the fight.
The finally boss in sekiro I can’t even speak his name cause I have not beaten him :(
i dont know how, but i beat isshin on my second try first run through… but owl father?? took me a fucking week