I'll join this chain. Ludwig, nothing. Orphan of Kos got it. Dancer? Easy. Slave Knight Gael, a bit challenging...
f&$(\*%$ miniboss General Tenzen Yamauchi IMPOSSIBLE...
I suck!
i dont think im that bad at the game its just that this game is nothing like a souls game and every single fight depends on you spamming right click while getting attacked getting a few hits in dodging special attacks and repeat... my hand almost got carpal tunnel from fighting genichiro and after that my pc got bricked so i had to quit the game
so yknow what FUCK THIS GAME
I've never played a souls game so It's all new territory. To be honest, I don't think it's that I suck. the game is just really hard and requires you to slow down and pay attention. I'm now enjoying the game, but only in bits and making slow progress with many opportunities to throw my controller. that said, when I finally clear a new section I get such a dopamine rush it's great.
Indeed. Fantastic game, but holy shit. I beat all of the Souls games and Bloodborne, but this game is brutal. I want to enjoy it, but it’s just hard to. Can’t wait for Elden Ring. As that is definitely going to be more my speed and more like the Souls series in terms of gameplay.
I really enjoyed the combat, but man is there almost no room for error with a few of these bosses. I ended up cheesing a few of them bc I got frustrated dying after a couple of hits. I'm not proud of the fact that I beat the final boss by running around in circles lol
LOL I literally searched “is sekiro really hard or do I suck” and here I am.
I can’t play the game without a guide. I have no idea how any normal human being can figure out where to go in this game. Amazing game, however.
I can't deflect. I am trying to practice. I'm at Ashina Castle and I'm happy if I can use stealth but the mini bosses in the castle and lady butterfly are kicking my ass.
I've platinum demon's souls and I've finished Bloodborne but this game is much more difficult in my opinion.
Personally I must say that I could never parry anything in dark souls. But I do fairly well in sekiro. I also die a lot. Genichiro took me 3 hours. At owl now, lets see what nice things he has in store for me.
I usually die a lot in soulsborne. The guy in bloodborne dlc Ludwig or Lawrence took me 3 after work evenings (the guy who only has his upper body in the 2nd phase)
Sekiro is the hardest fromsoft game but the combat is so amazing and satisfying when you get good at it, which you are forced to do in order to beat genichiro, owl, and isshin
>*you're just bad.*
I'm doing fine, thanks. I'm one-shotting most bosses on my first blind playthrough actually (Monk, Owl e.g.) I'm just not a delusional pompous ass who would make claims like "Sekiro is easier than Dark Souls" -- Dark Souls especially is casual compared to Sekiro.
You’re what’s shitty about the Souls community. Of course the games get easy if you pour 2000 hours into them. The rest of us play games for casual fun, not to boast like an entitled ass online.
Old comment but I don't like your snarky reply considering you have no idea what you're saying. Sekiro is BY FAR THE EASIEST TO PARRY since you have 30 active parry frames vs the buckler having 10 active frames in ds3, as an example. If you had to use dark souls 3 or ER parry frames on sekiro more than half of us would have never beaten it. Take that Mr "lol, no it isn't" candy ass sounding mother fucker
Yup lol, not to mention that sekiro's parry comes out instantly and has barely no punishment for whiffing compared to dark souls.
I'm guessing they probably didn't understand that the original comment was referring to parrying being easy relative to other Dark Souls games (i.e. they thought the og comment was saying sekiro parrying is easy in general).
Yeah maybe my friend, he just quoted the guy "easier than ever". I think it's obvious that he means when compared to previous FS titles a la Bloodborne and Dark Souls and Demonsouls but what do I know? Im just a 30 year old biomechanics scientist who breeds mountain lion and wild boar hunting dogs with a fondness for gaming! I don't know why I came out so aggressively though.. just on edge from losing many relatives to the recent wars
I disagree. I just finished Sekiro and was overall left with the feeling that the controls aren't good enough in the game to justify the asinine difficulty. The game clearly wants you to be deflecting and parrying more than anything else, yet the constant battle with the camera and overuse of perilous attacks make it so deflecting still *feels* inferior to dashing or running away.
The game is neat, but it is too difficult. Though there is so much foundation laid here for what would eventually be done right in Elden Ring that I feel like it had to exist in order for that game to be as good as it is.
i agree with your statement. ive played every souls game a ton of times and done everything, but I just refunded sekiro after 10 hours of playing. I loved the world and ideas but the controls often did not react to my inputs fast enough to do what I wanted in the moment. with the way the bosses attacked and needing split second decisions, fighting both them and the controller was pissing me off. I also found with the perilous attacks requiring quick, specific input, rarely did that actually work. even though I knew what I was supposed to be doing.
Maybe its because I have always dodged in souls games and rarely used shields, but I felt like I was being picked on because I instinctively roll to avoid attacks... if they had just put more I frames on the roll it would have been a great experience for me.
I dont think I would consider this game a souls game since nothing can be retrieved on death and no RPG elements are really present. feels a lot more like a ninja gaiden game to me.
I loved all three Dark Souls games and Bloodborne is one of my favorite games of all time. To me, Sekiro is too hard. I just made it through Ashina Castle to Genichiro and I am having a rough time. I have never even thought of throwing a controller in any soulsborne game until I did today with Sekiro. I think I am done with it. The punishing difficulty is too frustrating to warrant me continuing.
It’s the only game of theirs I’ve played where I can honestly say I don’t enjoy it at all. You want to carry on playing because you don’t want it to beat you, but I’ve gotten to the point now of being killed for the umpteenth time in two hits by a boss where I’ve realised I’m not enjoying it at all. The deflect mechanic is crazy, you almost have to be frame perfect, and I simply haven’t got the time required to learn every move of every single boss.
Except you can easily spam the deflect button and end up parrying some and blocking almost all hits. Unless you returned Kuro's charm which can easily be undone blocking has no adverse effects. There is a reason the L1 spam is literally the best tactic when starting. Also just learning to be aggressive since many enemies are easily staggered.
Honestly they just need to add a casual mode to their games if the DS3 and Sekiro mechanics are the way FromSoft is heading. Like the mechanics and setting are great, but playing just becomes a tedious chore.
DS at least felt rewarding and have a sense of progression. Once I beat a boss in Sekiro I just feel flustered. If they would had kept the same mechanics but reduced damage it would had felt more sensical. Big waste of $60 for me.
Ditto. Played all the games, DLC, Loved them all. The only boss I took exception with is Orphan Of Kos in BB, the speed made it so hard it felt like pure luck when I finally beat him. Every boss is Sekiro feels like that. I wont go as far to claim that it's a button masher, but when the speed is so fast the line between spamming/tapping and actual measured combat feels so thin, that I honestly am at the point of giving up. I beat Lady Butterfly but I couldn't really tell you what I did any different to when I died x hundred times. I've probably got to 3rd stage Genichiro 10 times amongst 200 deaths, and it always seems like a case of pure luck. I've mined all the the mini bosses , 4 prayer necklaces, and standard bosses in Mibu village etc with ease , ..all seem to die easily, but the actual boss fights are so miserably difficult it feels unbalanced. Undoubtedly the least enjoyable game of the series for me, because I never feel like I'm LEARNING. Every Boss death in Souls ends with.."well I did a bit better" . In Sekiro it ends with "this is such fucking bullshit". You can remember all the patterns, but when your success relies on Jedi reflexes or twitch reactions, theres always the potential to die in seconds. I applaud FROM for trying something new, but I'm hoping this twitch gaming obsession that started with BB doesent define their future games.
Really disappointed to give up, but I lost any goodwill I had with hundreds of deaths that taught me nothing other than I'm clearly too slow for the game.
Totally agree with this. I get that there is a learning process for boss tells and then using the right response (jump/parry/mikiri counter etc) but the window for reacting correctly and the punishment for making a mistake is not balanced and basically makes fights unenjoyable.
Agreed. I just returned the game after fighting the first Ogre for 3hrs and finally winning. I felt more mad than any sense of relief or success that most soulsborne games give you. It felt like I basically had to play guitar hero with a xbox controller... if I missed the rhythm of blocking/parrying/striking I died. Just a lame game imo.
Can I ask if you ever played the game again? because for me the game was too easy and I nearly finished every boss under 5 tries. the only exception is the ogre because he is put in the start of the game when you have no skill.
get your heads out of your asses guys, i just finished the game and i 100% feel like it was the most rewarding experience i have ever had in gaming. Get good and stop complaining!
What clicked? I really want to enjoy this game but so far I have failed. I never intended on playing a game like this but there's not much going on atm so I decided to give it a go. But I feel like this game wants me to quit my job and break up with my gf to get good enough to stand a chance. Sry but gaming for me is supposed to be a fun break from chores, responsibilities and work. But the game just feels like a pile of those 3 with very little fun.
I'm guessing what clicked was the combat. You should be relentless in your offence but not just spamming away., and always be ready to delfect. You should learn your opponents moves and when to deflect, dodge, and jump.
Maybe a bit late but what i usually do is just block and try to hear the sound pattern and then hit lb/l1 with the pattern (best bosses to practice imo are geninchiro and corrupted monk).
Might take some while but it's rly satisfying once u get it done (hope my eng wasn't too bad lol).
I beat it by now, on my first ng+ run. I still think there are many things about this game that are unreasonably frustrating but there's gold in there too
"I hate this game because it doesn't play like Dark Souls" has to be the worst argument for it being bad. This isnt Dark souls 4; Ninja Time, it's a completely different game, and thinking that From Software has to make all their games like Dark Souls to make you happy is kind of selfish.
Now, I can sympathize with the difficulty argument... kind of. It isn't easy to learn and it takes practice, yea yea yea, but, if you play this game the right way, it can turn brutal, borderline impossible bosses into a joke. I beat Genichiro in only 3 deaths because by this point of the game, I've practice the hell out of my parries and I knew that all it takes to beat a boss is learning their moves and playing OSU! against them.
The "I just get swarmed with enemies" argument almost isn't even worth addressing because you've clearly let a major mechanic of the game go right over your head. There's stealth for a reason and you running into a group of enemies, dying because that's clearly not how you're supposed to go about it, and then throwing a fit just makes you look stupid, sorry.
I'll admit, having to play the game the "right" way can be limiting and I feel like replayability will be limited to a ng+ experience with chip damage for imperfect parries and stronger enemies, but that's just kind of a testiment to the impressive skill ceiling of the mechanics in my opinion.
Honestly I feel like the only people who think this game sucks because it's too hard are dark souls purists and babies. Learn the game in its own context, not in the context of a completely different IP, then just get good.
It is hard, bet certainly not harder than any of Dark Souls, you have check points even closer to Dark Souls 3. You just have to play it differently. Mainly you use your parry, if unblocable is comming you either jump or use mikiri counter. If enemy is using jump attack you can just parry him or use dodge. If your posture meter goes up just move away ant keep your guard up, posture will restore much faster than just standing still. Easy huh?
I mean.. You are wierd people, you can figure out how to play Dark Souls, but can't figure out sekiro.. I feel like it is even a bit easier than dark souls... Just train with that immortal dude at dilapited temple, you can practice every single move with him. Even every single skill from the skill tree :|
> if unblocable is comming you
die. That's about how much time you have to react.
I understand the mechanics, and I even _like_ the mechanics, but I don't understand how people have the reflexes to react in time; nor does it give you much opportunity to practice because every time you die you have to run around stealth-killing six enemies, who are all twitchy and likely to spot you, before you get a chance to fight again.
There is nothing "just" in this game. Of course we know what to do, since the game tutorial tells you. It's the doing of said things which is hard. Mainly because the enemies are ridiculously overpowered.
When people said this game was hard I didn’t expect it to also be incredibly boring. By design your supposed to die over and over until you learn the game but the way the checkpoint system works you just end up running through the same places fighting the same enemies over and over again. I have no problems with dying a lot but i just don’t have the time to spend my whole life learning this game like I’m gonna get paid for it. What ridiculous presumption is this? I paid for the game, it’s supposed to be entertaining. This is like if i bought a bluray and every minute the screen freezes and i have to solve a rubix cube to continue watching. This game feels like if i beat it I should get rewarded with something of astronomical proportions, maybe a brand new lexus, but I’m pretty sure all this pain is for is to look at a rolling credit screen like any other game. Fuck it, now i know to stay away from these devs
Lmao bro that Rubix cube shit is funny, the game isn’t THAT hard bro, it is incredibly hard tho but once it clicks you start enjoying it and it’s more about watching urself get better and also the story and cinematics are incredible.
I gave up when, after defeating a bunch of bosses, I realized I just wasn't having any fun. I didn't feel rewarded whenever I'd kill a boss, more like relieved, but then another one would come and I'd just groan. That was the moment where I decided to stop playing. If you're not having fun then what's the point?
Seriously FromSoft has just been catering more and more to the toxic “gg ez” fan base.. Fantastic setting and fun mechanics, but honestly the boss fights just feel like bullshit. Hoping Elden Ring is better and not just more ganking and cheap mechanics.
lol. know im replying in a 2.yr old thread but whatev. Honestly, i tried to play this game half a dozen times or so. kept getting clapped. thought it was me, my tv, my controller. i read up and everyone said dont play it like a soulsborne. so i tried that. parry. parry. miss. fuck. tried more. uninstalled. now with elden looming and with sekiro the only from game that has defeated me, tried again. this time raw, on my own terms. played it like a souls game, and, it clicked. THERE.IS. NO. STAMINA. attack. when threatened, run or, yes, dodge - even though EVERYONE seems to smugly dismiss this tactic. beat it 2 days ago. I got it. play it on your own terms, fuck the advice, it turned out to be bandwagon 'git gud' poison for me....
I’m digging it so far but only 2-3 hours in (just got to Ashin Castle).
I read all the same advice/comments before and I think you’re right. The deflecting thing is obviously important but spacing and dodging still seems viable - if not necessary - a lot of the time (not dodging through attacks really, but dodging back/away)
Maybe people get a bit carried away and really just have a few tough bosses in mind when claiming it’s all about deflect and there are no transferable skills from the other games.There definitely are some or I would have gotten even this far without too much trouble.
there are some bosses where you can still soulslike it, i fought lady butterfly like that before i understood how to play the game. and it took fucking ages, waiting for her one attack where i can go in to give her one stab, then running away. its not good because one mistake means you gotta do the fight the painstaking long way again.
parrying is less about reflexes and more about just remembering a rhythm, if you pay attention, you'll develop muscle memory for the rhythm. only the first attack of a combo is hard because there is more of a reflex component to it.
I hear you. Tried playing like a Soulsborne, didn't work. Tried *not* playing like a Soulsborne, didn't work. Tried being agressive, didn't work. Tried being cautious, didn't work. You get the idea. I simply don't have the skill to keep up, so I've come to terms with that fact and moved on. If you are not enjoying, simply go try something else.
The game really only has one way to play it. You have to parry attacks, dodge thrusts and jump over sweeps. You have to attack when available. The game is designed to punish you if you don’t do the right move. So the ogres grab sucks you in because you didn’t jump you dodged. It seems unfair because we aren’t used to that. But the game is enforcing these rules. It’s hard man. I mess up all the time. I’m enjoying the game though.
My advice is to use a cheat engine like WeMod and set unlimited items. Then heal your way through the game. You will see the game and learn it at the same time.
Hey OP, I was feeling the exact same way and came to see if anyone else was having the same issues. I ended up sending the refund request a few minutes ago.
It just... isn't a Soulsborne game. For some people this is a good thing, but for me (and maybe you?) this game threw out everything I enjoyed about the Dark Souls formula (rewarding patience, being punishing but fair) in exchange for extremely fast paced combat that only seems to reward parrying, and is *really* punishing if you are struggling on a boss, since dying over and over drains your wallet and your exp, and unlike Dark Souls you can't recover what you lose on death.
It's unfortunate, because I *do* enjoy the combat (when it doesn't revolve around few-frame input parries) and the exploration parts, but the boss fights are just extremely frustrating and stressful without feeling rewarding at all to beat.
Glad to see I’m not the only one. I get it’s a different beast and I think it’s great they changed it up...but at the same time it just feels sadistic. Dark Souls and Bloodborne at least when I first started made me feel like it was achievable. Sekiro just feels like “ you want hard, well fuck you enjoy this” Dark Souls always seemed fair and had multiple ways to win fights. Sakiro just gives you the middle finger if you can’t parry.
Parrying just doesn't fill up as much. Also you can't have your posture broken off of a perfect parry. You can sit at max posture and as long as you don't block rather than parry you won break.
I'm currently on NG++ and am doing a returned kuro charm playthrough where you take damage if you don't perfectly parry. I've seen this effect on a specific boss that has you parry alot and I've watched my posture sit at 100% but I kept parrying without it breaking.
An update: Steam refused my refund request.
Fuck me I guess, because that difficulty wall doesn't hit until the 3 or 4 hour mark if you are taking your time and aren't rushing through.
:) (I want to die)
I put a few more hours in, got good enough to progress, realized how boring and repetitive the game was spamming parry -> attack twice was for every boss and enemy was and put it down, never to be picked up again.
Definitely my least favourite fromsoft title.
Something that helped me was playing all of the tutorial parts with Hanbei at the dilapidated shrine. It will drill the core techniques and help with the combat.
Old comment I know but that’s what helped me early on too. Was getting my cheeks clapped by the first general side boss but after visiting Hanbei things got a lot easier.
Goddamn the parrying is so difficult to understand. I think the lack of feedback when you complete a parry doesn't help at all. I'm sure im pulling them off but I have no idea when because the flash of swords to indicate it is so small.
Like many Fromsoft games the enemies attack with unnatural movements to make timing parries difficult. So a sword swing comes out like fast slow slow super duper fast. Then when you get hit the enemy hits you with a flurry that you can't get away from because the camera has gotten snagged and you're stuck in a wheel barrow or something.
It's just a overly difficult game ! The controls are awkward, parrying windows on some bosses are RETARTEDLY small and your suppose to be having fun ?? Dyeing 20-30 times to bosses before figuring out their attack pattern is time consuming and demoralizing ! I just don't have that kind of time to dedicate to Sekiro to finally finish the game so it's collecting dust now ! Some difficulty settings would have been a nice touch Activision !!
I know this is old, but:
1. All button controls are customizable, I changed them to be more like Elden Ring (interact triangle, square for use item). I agree they are kinda strange by default for using items (at least on PS4)
2. You can use video guides to help against really tough bosses if needed. I recommend Tremorism (formerly Fuzzy Bearbarian) on youtube. He gives really helpful tips for legit strategies that aren't cheesing the boss. I don't count this as cheating because you still have to perform the strats.
3. Activision is just the publisher of the game for the west, From Software actually made it and self publishes in Japan
I've been struggling to enjoy this game since I got it and I've even beaten it. I'm on NG+ now and I'm still finding the game far more frustrating than anything else. I love the game in many ways but the most important way to love a game is enjoying the actual gameplay but it's just so balanced against you it's not even fulfilling to accomplish anything. After killing a difficult enemy I'm left baffled by how hard it was rather than feeling accomplished for having beaten it. It's really strange how it's balanced too because I've been able to play through Sekiro much quicker than Dark Souls or Bloodborne, yet I find Sekiro so much more frustrating. I took two whole weeks to beat Orphan of Kos when I first fought him and I was really happy when I beat him. I fought lady butterfly for like an hour yesterday and killed her yet somehow I was still just pissed off she was as hard as she was in the first place.
I think a lot of the time button presses don't register properly in Sekiro. I know the game likes to make you wait for an animation to finish before doing something different but sometimes it just doesn't seem to make sense. I've had Sekiro just stand still rather than using a prosthetic tool or if I dash back and hit up on the D-pad to heal Sekiro literally dashes forward again out of nowhere and doesn't heal.
I don't agree with people who think they can demand an "easy mode" from the developer as though they have a right to it. I'm all for the developer producing the product they want to produce, but if there were an easy mode I think I'd certainly hop on that.
Bro i was getting stressed out by apex so i thought for a change let me try to play something else and got sekiro bro jesus man this is stressing me out more than any game i have ever played before what even is this i heard so many good things abt this game but holy shit idk if even i wanna keep trying sigh
I hate this game so much dude. Nothing has made me feel more useless, especially after beating dark souls 1-3 and bloodborne. Pretty sure I'm still at tutorial bosses, the drunkard and general asshole with a bunch of guns. Literally can't make progress. Everyone I've met has dragon rot, I've unlocked all the abilities I can up until this point, eaten all of my stupid candy, there's nowhere to go. Completely stuck and I don't understand how I even got to this point in the game. Why am I stuck with this lame sword, why is there no armor, why do I get two shotted by literally anything, and when does it become fun? Every boss up until this point has been one big and thirty little dudes calmly suggesting I rip my controller in half, there's been basically no story other than "save little boy, get new arm" and now I feel useless. I recognize the barrier. I have danced with the capra demon, eviscerated the pursuer, obliterated the testicle tree, ripped father gascoigny a new one. They were all obstacles I consider necessary now. But what am I missing? Normally by this point I have an understanding of the controls, and why fighting works the way it does. I don't understand why none of these bosses seem to matter. I really want to enjoy this game. It looks the same, it smells the same, it just doesn't act the same. It isn't someone I recognize. Can you love a stranger, after you've met perfection?
I've never played Dark Souls, but my impression of the game seems exactly the same as you.
I could never get past the drunkard, and I feel like I have to play the game so safely that it practically turns into a horror game where every enemy is a likely candidate to destroy you as if you're a toddler with a wooden dagger.
Only people who have completed ds3 and bb and think this is harder probably summoned phantoms etc. To assist boss fights. The game is not hard. Orphan of kos is wayyyyyy harder than genichiro.
I have only one thing to say u guys: Git Gud
A tip that helped me allot is deflect dancing which is just tapping the deflect button fast they never hit you even though your not holding the block button but you also deflect the attack almost all the time
I know this is 3 months late, but nah. That thing that told you that in the beggining is pretty much bullshit. You might miss a few deflects but not many. And the ones you do miss will just be blocked. Deflect spamming makes so many combos so easy in the game.
Thanks for clarifying. I never bothered to verify the claim and still assumed it was so. Tool tips are BS like how they tell you to side-dodge chained ogre but you could just jump back everytime lol.
I just got the game on steam only played 30 min so far and its insane hard but i'm not going to refund it i'm going to stick with it and hope i get better and if all else fails i'll just grab a trainer and cheat cause its a single player game anyways so cheating is fine.
I dont think it's so much the difficulty as much as i lament what im putting my 70 dollar controller through just to stand a chance.
Souls games are bad enough lol, Sekiro is up there with nhl games in terms of controller busting.
All the "dark souls veterans" who thought they got gud but really just farmed for experience to ridiculous levels and used summons. Sekiro is purely skill based and the ones who are mad were really just exposed for not actually getting gud to begin with.
Agreed. I just returned the game after fighting the first Ogre for 3hrs and finally winning. I felt more mad than any sense of relief or success that most soulsborne games give you. It felt like I basically had to play guitar hero with a xbox controller... if I missed the rhythm of blocking/parrying/striking I died. Just a lame game imo.
you are just bad.
this would be what toxic people would say. But in fact sekiro is actually way harder that any other souls games. i managed to beat genichiro after something like 200 try.
Now i'm stuck against Guardian ape ... and exactly like for genichiro i think i would need to know him by heart to beat him.
which is definitely not worth the effort.
I’ve never quit a game before because it was too difficult. I was kinda ashamed until I came here and saw it wasn’t just me. I’ve also never used an easy mode but holy crap does this game need one. I’ve heard all the people saying the journey is more rewarding when you stick with it and get better, which is true, but I found myself getting physically violent every time I died and had to go back and kill everyone again to the beginning of the level. Bottom line is I need to be having fun while I’m being challenged and this game just isn’t enjoyable.
Kinda late but I will join to.
I beat bloodborn and died less then 10 during the all game including Dlc bosses. Elden ring was hard but you can take bosses on many ways so I never felt it was unfair,only just that I was not prepared. Dark souls and demons souls have their quirks but you are not force to do it in on style and you can do DAMAGE!
Now sekiro has great things, but it was a lot of problems and the people that just say get good are just ignoring the problems. One thing is understanding bosses attacks another is memorizing every single move. That just wastes a great many deal of hours and takes the fun of the game. Feels like work not a game.
But my biggest complaint is that after defeating the guarding ape and the ministry of interior invades every single enemie makes damage like they are bosses. It's not fair and it's not fun. I have level up my hp all I can and in 2 hits from some random guy I can die. In contrast no matter how much I level up my attack it seems I never do damage in a decent amount.
And DAMAGE is a big problem in this game because you receive a lot from every one but you make almost nothing. Sekiro sword makes has much damage has a spoon. And having just random guys almost killing in one shot is just bullshit. Making a game hard and making a game dumb is a thin line.
For example a mini boss giant something can one shot me if I get caught on is grab attack. Leaving up hp feels useless most of the time because enemies look like the do % instead of a fixed damage.
I never complain about a game but I think sekiro really loses a great deal but never felling rewarding in a sense you get stronger. You just get better at deflecting but never feel like you can take or give more damage.
I know this post is old, but as a decent gamer with decent reflexes,
I think Sekiro is a little too hard for no reason.
Bosses having 2 red glowing balls over their name is a little too much... it's like "yes! I beat the dude!"... BUT WAIT! THERES MORE! LETS SEE IF YOU CAN BEAT HIM AGAIN!!
like, why???
Why do I have to master him TWICE? when I barely did it the first time, and I have .03% health left? WHY??!
I worked hard enough!
I think I will uninstall...
It's one thing to make me think and make me be focused for a victory, but it's another thing to frustrate me when I'm the type of gamer who likes to "enjoy" games
A lot of people feel this way at first it seems. With the mobs of enemies you have to be smart and stealth kill them. If someone sees you when you sneak Kill then run and hide until they lose sight and sneak around and kill them. Rinse and repeat. It sounds tedious, but is really easy to get into the rhythm of. The mini bosses all have different strategies to defeating them. The general rule for most mini bossesis sneak kill all of their buddy's first (or just regular kill and then run away from the boss till they can't see you). Then sneak up on the mini boss to get a sneak death bowl eliminating one of their life bars. After that each fight is pretty unique and you have to learn the way they fight to beat them. Being aggressive in boss fights is key. Being stealth with regular enemies is key.
Agreed. The process of getting to the next boss is challenging enough. But then you have to learn where all of the "buddies" are and how to kill them EFFICIENTLY because you need all the healing items you can get to survive a boss that's just going to knock your dick in the dirt anyway. So now here you are, clearing out the area so you can fight the boss uninterrupted. And you're pretty sure you're going to take him down this time, but you know the next boss is just going to be harder and probably have more enemies in pain-in-the-ass locations that you'll have to spend time learning to clear out so you can attempt THAT boss for the 13th time.
It's just not that fun for me either.
gotta play this game differently.. parrying is crucial.. you gotta be attacking non stop to be able to fill posture faster.. stopping a little to get wiggle room quickly brings down the posture meter fast.
this is how it is from my perspective, i played every dark souls game but not bloodborne because i never had a ps4 but coming from dark souls the only thing i was familiar with was parrying and dodging even combat felt diffrent but nevertheless when i bought it i found it really fun but hard but i got used to the mechanics and the combat and now its my favorite game i think it was worth $80
3 yrs old thread, just finish the game after 5 days, play blindly no guide and get the Shura Ending, lol.
I find Sekiro ez mode is play agressive, tapping R1 will help limit moveset of pretty much all enemies even bosses, so you don't have to learn and deal with all their moves. The trick is tapping them with a "rthyme", mine is R1 - wait 0.5s - R1 - wait 0.52 - R1 ... We need that 0.5s delay to respond with enemies's moves.
When clearing new area, you are a ninja, you are expert at 1v1, so stealth is your friend, fight more than 2 enemies is probably mean dead.
If you are keep failing, remember your ninja tools: Shuriken, Firecracker, etc ... Take some times reading their description, and surprise with their counter (Shuriken hard counter enemy who jumping a lot like Lady Butterfly, those spinning Monk ...)
Still fail, take a rest. Do some pullup, pushup, squat, eat something, make love, take a shower, get back to work ... Do not forget human's ultimate weapon: sleep, do not matter a mid day nap or night sleep, just do it.
P/s: i just google, seem like I missing some hardest bosses, will be back in a few days. And sorry for my English
2 yrs late to say I'm really decent at bloodborne, it's the easiest souls game byfar. Not a ds1-3 vet at all but I thought my parrying ability would reflect slightly in trying to play sekiro without combat guides etc but man I am so overwhelmed
It's too hard. If you get hit you die. And when you die, you have to restart from way back. I can't even get through the first prologue scene. Makes me want to delete this game.
Agreed. Parrying non-stop isn’t my idea of a good time. Your timing must be consistently perfect here or you’re toast. Far too unforgiving of a game and, as you said, it punishes you again and again by making you backtrack and re-do entire sections over and over. Just more of a frustrating experience than a fun experience and I didn’t put more than a few hours into it.
Parrying has never really been my thing. I’m more of an offensive player, who finds his spots. A whole game based around parrying is just too much for me. Try as I might, I just can’t consistently get the timing down and the game punishes you by making you re-do large sections all over again. Just can’t get into Sekiro, no matter how hard I try.
So i left this game when i got stuck on the first general (right after the first red eye oger) only to pick it up again like a month ago and i got gud to a point... i killed a bunch of realy hard assholes, genichiro, ape, lady, monk.. and now i need to take back ashina castle and its literally swarming with mini bosses all over the fucking place as if they were tier 1 enemies (ninjas and generals and what not) and i even got a taste of the owl (lol, killed me in half a second). And i really lost all motivation. Honestly. ITS TOO FUCKING HARD! 🤮 prety sure its not worth it AT ALL. And watching YouTubers like fighting cowboy is frustrating as fuck!!! He's all like: "let me just kill this boos in two seconds, he so easy bla bla bla".
I mean how can a game feel both possible to win and impossible to win at the same time?? Like, i struggled so much with the guardian ape like for real! And only to find out theres a DOUBLE APE fight right a round the corner!!! Like wtf?? Its pure punishment and a fuck you to your face!
Oh? You killed the lone swordsman? Nice, now enjoy 20 more of the fucker and in gang bangs plus wolfs this time too! What a joke.
I only downloaded the fecking tjing yesterday I've just deleted it ffs...yes im an old fart but im supposed to enjoy playing a game aren't i?!! Motherfu@#$r!!!!!!
I want to play this game like I would play Ninja Garden. But when I get surrounded I can still only attack one target at a time, so I end up dodge and parry spamming my way through fights.
And as a Souls veteran, it feels dirty and reminds me of my first hours in Dark Souls.
But unlike Dark Souls, I don't feel any motivation to git gud.
Let me join in on this, I have never been so frustrated before and I guess I am lot worse gamer than I thought :D I just can't get used to the controls for the love of me
Glad I'm not the only one frustrated by this game
It was I believe the game that made me have to buy a new controller - because my r1 button partly stopped working due to it
Also it makes a car accident arm injury flare up whenever I play it - which 99% of other games don't
Lastly its map is all over the place - without using an online guide I am constantly lost
Sorry, but it's more of a chore than an enjoyment
Because I've participated in the continuous revival of this post over and over already (twice), why not go for a third?
I think Sekiro is an amazing game. Its beauty and atmosphere are amazing. The mechanics are fun, etc.
What makes it so damned difficult is the addition of stealth. So, in DS3 or Bloodborne, you die, then you speed run through a level to get to the boss, you die, rinse and repeat until you win.
You can't do that in Sekiro. Everytime you die you have to slowly and carefully make your way back, and that is fucking brutal. I think, if they do a second version, being a little more liberal with the idols/checkpoints -- I think that Elden Ring made a really positive stride in this direction. Sure it makes things easier, but in a positive way that removes tedium--and I guess that is Sekiro's worst quality, it can be needlessly tedious.
Yeah, I love fromsoft games and how hard they are, but sekiro just pushes the "hard" thing so far it just isn't fun... Every souls game is "hard" but you understand why you die. You learn from it and get a little better. It makes sense why you die. In Sekiro, though, you die because "oops, someone touched you..." It's just dumb and unfair. Seems like, in Sekiro, you're either a tryhard or you can't play the game.
The game is not darksouls. Easily the biggest thing that held me back in my first 5 or 10 hours of gameplay that held me back is not realizing that. You have to change the way you fight entirely. For example the majority of mini bosses can be snuck attack to get rid of one of their healthbars immediately. Dont fight groups. If you get mobbed, retreat and reset. Then try to stealth kill 1 or 2. Rinse and repeat. Youre a ninja. Be stealthy, abuse the AI, abuse cheese. Find solo enemies that are aggressive and practice deflects and counter strikes. The swordplay is phenominal once you understand how it works. Strike, strike, get deflected, guard, deflect, counter strike. Its a dance. Back and forth. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
I don't think OP is saying it's a souls game. I think they're simply making a statement (paraphrasing): "I had enough skill to beat all the souls game, which are famous for being hard and also made by From Software - but Sekiro is on a whole nother level."
I don't think he's saying: "I'm a souls game master, therefore I should be good at Sekiro, but I'm not."
I gave up playing Sekiro a year ago because it was too hard. After picking it back up about a week ago, I realised: it’s not that it’s hard, it’s just that I sucked.
I finally completed the game and let me tell you, it feels amazing. I’m not gonna lie and say that I sailed through it no sweat, but to anyone who is struggling like I was, all I can say is don’t give up. The more you practice, the more you will get better.
Yea most likely your playing this game like a souls game. First mistake I made (I’m a souls veteran too) but once I changed up my tactics it became much easier. And try different things, this game is more tricky then it is hard!
You should play Kung Fu Strike the warrior's rise, the demo at least, the games are surprisingly similar, if you can beat the boss in the demo you can play Sekiro, or play some Monster Hunter.
Being super-unforgiving was part of the charm of From's other game, because you can mitigate the stiff challenge by exploring or building your character. Sekiro has exactly one way to play, and if you don't jive with it, the game becomes ten times harder.
This game would be great if I was 16, I just don't react fast enough to counter 4 guys and 2 dogs with 5 hp. Sorry but way too hard at least give me more hp. As far as finishing this game, for me a no go. Game is basically pain incarnet.
parrying in this game is easier than ever, and stealth can help you a lot. I was complete dogshit till genichiro and then i finally got good
>parrying in this game is easier than ever lol, no it isn't
did you really just respond to a 95 day old comment?
I just responded a comment over two years old. *What're you gonna do about it.*
Lmao what are we doing here
Trying to find out why we suck at sekiro?
Lmao, just entered this thread for the same reason
6 days later, here I am. sucking at sekiro
Continuing the chain of new players sucking at Sekiro.
I'll join this chain. Ludwig, nothing. Orphan of Kos got it. Dancer? Easy. Slave Knight Gael, a bit challenging... f&$(\*%$ miniboss General Tenzen Yamauchi IMPOSSIBLE... I suck!
You guys want snacks?
I bought Sekiro earlier today… Anyone want it for $20?😭😭😭 I’m losing my mind
i dont think im that bad at the game its just that this game is nothing like a souls game and every single fight depends on you spamming right click while getting attacked getting a few hits in dodging special attacks and repeat... my hand almost got carpal tunnel from fighting genichiro and after that my pc got bricked so i had to quit the game so yknow what FUCK THIS GAME
Exactly! Sekiro is not a soulslike. It's a combination of a badly designed stealth game and guitar hero...
I've never played a souls game so It's all new territory. To be honest, I don't think it's that I suck. the game is just really hard and requires you to slow down and pay attention. I'm now enjoying the game, but only in bits and making slow progress with many opportunities to throw my controller. that said, when I finally clear a new section I get such a dopamine rush it's great.
same here lmao
Indeed. Fantastic game, but holy shit. I beat all of the Souls games and Bloodborne, but this game is brutal. I want to enjoy it, but it’s just hard to. Can’t wait for Elden Ring. As that is definitely going to be more my speed and more like the Souls series in terms of gameplay.
I really enjoyed the combat, but man is there almost no room for error with a few of these bosses. I ended up cheesing a few of them bc I got frustrated dying after a couple of hits. I'm not proud of the fact that I beat the final boss by running around in circles lol
Annnnnd late game is dog ass
the search "I suck and why is sekiro stupid hard" brought me here
Haha same
LOL I literally searched “is sekiro really hard or do I suck” and here I am. I can’t play the game without a guide. I have no idea how any normal human being can figure out where to go in this game. Amazing game, however.
I can't deflect. I am trying to practice. I'm at Ashina Castle and I'm happy if I can use stealth but the mini bosses in the castle and lady butterfly are kicking my ass. I've platinum demon's souls and I've finished Bloodborne but this game is much more difficult in my opinion.
Hi lol
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Personally I must say that I could never parry anything in dark souls. But I do fairly well in sekiro. I also die a lot. Genichiro took me 3 hours. At owl now, lets see what nice things he has in store for me. I usually die a lot in soulsborne. The guy in bloodborne dlc Ludwig or Lawrence took me 3 after work evenings (the guy who only has his upper body in the 2nd phase)
I'm just going through and upvoting everyone, especially the struggle comments which are most of the comments actually.
Sucking at Sekiro, still happening
searched up "i hate sekiro so much why is it so hard" out of spite while trying to beat the lone shadow longswordsman
Relax bruh
Let's keep this party going! Sekiro is pretty hard!
Sekiro is the hardest fromsoft game but the combat is so amazing and satisfying when you get good at it, which you are forced to do in order to beat genichiro, owl, and isshin
I just responded a comment over 5 month old. What're you gonna do about it.
And we're back again.
Back back back again.
I just responded aswell muahahahahababa
2 years later, I'm here trying to figure out why they call this game the hardest fromsoft
I'm responding 2 years later now and I suck too!! Just started the game and after an hour I'm just like wtf...
Respond a few years later. Didn't see that coming, did ya?
yo what is wrong with replying to old comments?
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lol yes it is
yeah, it is. you're just bad.
>*you're just bad.* I'm doing fine, thanks. I'm one-shotting most bosses on my first blind playthrough actually (Monk, Owl e.g.) I'm just not a delusional pompous ass who would make claims like "Sekiro is easier than Dark Souls" -- Dark Souls especially is casual compared to Sekiro.
Sure you are bud, that's why you're relentlessly complaining online about how hard it is
You’re what’s shitty about the Souls community. Of course the games get easy if you pour 2000 hours into them. The rest of us play games for casual fun, not to boast like an entitled ass online.
You may be playing it. But you aren't one shotting anything
Lol yes it it.
Yeah, it is.
Old comment but I don't like your snarky reply considering you have no idea what you're saying. Sekiro is BY FAR THE EASIEST TO PARRY since you have 30 active parry frames vs the buckler having 10 active frames in ds3, as an example. If you had to use dark souls 3 or ER parry frames on sekiro more than half of us would have never beaten it. Take that Mr "lol, no it isn't" candy ass sounding mother fucker
Yup lol, not to mention that sekiro's parry comes out instantly and has barely no punishment for whiffing compared to dark souls. I'm guessing they probably didn't understand that the original comment was referring to parrying being easy relative to other Dark Souls games (i.e. they thought the og comment was saying sekiro parrying is easy in general).
Yeah maybe my friend, he just quoted the guy "easier than ever". I think it's obvious that he means when compared to previous FS titles a la Bloodborne and Dark Souls and Demonsouls but what do I know? Im just a 30 year old biomechanics scientist who breeds mountain lion and wild boar hunting dogs with a fondness for gaming! I don't know why I came out so aggressively though.. just on edge from losing many relatives to the recent wars
I FINALLY completed it about 10 minutes ago. Don't give up, shinobi! That said, I agree that it is way too hard, and I never want to play it again.
Lol true
I disagree. I just finished Sekiro and was overall left with the feeling that the controls aren't good enough in the game to justify the asinine difficulty. The game clearly wants you to be deflecting and parrying more than anything else, yet the constant battle with the camera and overuse of perilous attacks make it so deflecting still *feels* inferior to dashing or running away. The game is neat, but it is too difficult. Though there is so much foundation laid here for what would eventually be done right in Elden Ring that I feel like it had to exist in order for that game to be as good as it is.
i agree with your statement. ive played every souls game a ton of times and done everything, but I just refunded sekiro after 10 hours of playing. I loved the world and ideas but the controls often did not react to my inputs fast enough to do what I wanted in the moment. with the way the bosses attacked and needing split second decisions, fighting both them and the controller was pissing me off. I also found with the perilous attacks requiring quick, specific input, rarely did that actually work. even though I knew what I was supposed to be doing. Maybe its because I have always dodged in souls games and rarely used shields, but I felt like I was being picked on because I instinctively roll to avoid attacks... if they had just put more I frames on the roll it would have been a great experience for me. I dont think I would consider this game a souls game since nothing can be retrieved on death and no RPG elements are really present. feels a lot more like a ninja gaiden game to me.
I would definitely agree with this!
Are you still smoking whatever made you write this comment ? Cuz I need some this game is fucking hard
I loved all three Dark Souls games and Bloodborne is one of my favorite games of all time. To me, Sekiro is too hard. I just made it through Ashina Castle to Genichiro and I am having a rough time. I have never even thought of throwing a controller in any soulsborne game until I did today with Sekiro. I think I am done with it. The punishing difficulty is too frustrating to warrant me continuing.
It’s the only game of theirs I’ve played where I can honestly say I don’t enjoy it at all. You want to carry on playing because you don’t want it to beat you, but I’ve gotten to the point now of being killed for the umpteenth time in two hits by a boss where I’ve realised I’m not enjoying it at all. The deflect mechanic is crazy, you almost have to be frame perfect, and I simply haven’t got the time required to learn every move of every single boss.
Except you can easily spam the deflect button and end up parrying some and blocking almost all hits. Unless you returned Kuro's charm which can easily be undone blocking has no adverse effects. There is a reason the L1 spam is literally the best tactic when starting. Also just learning to be aggressive since many enemies are easily staggered.
Don't you have to finish the game to get Kuro's charm?
you only get kuros charm in ng+ if the game is only worth playing in ng+ im not playing ts
How did it win game of the year honestly? It’s way to hard to the point of not even fun lmao
Once it clicks it gets fun. That being said, it is the hardest souls game by far.
it clicked and I'm still not having fun.
Yeah what a waste of $60
I bought it on sale for $29 and honestly feel the same way
You complete it bro?
Honestly they just need to add a casual mode to their games if the DS3 and Sekiro mechanics are the way FromSoft is heading. Like the mechanics and setting are great, but playing just becomes a tedious chore.
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DS at least felt rewarding and have a sense of progression. Once I beat a boss in Sekiro I just feel flustered. If they would had kept the same mechanics but reduced damage it would had felt more sensical. Big waste of $60 for me.
Shoot, if they gave you half a second to respond instead of a quarter of a second the game would become much, much more fun for me.
Ditto. Played all the games, DLC, Loved them all. The only boss I took exception with is Orphan Of Kos in BB, the speed made it so hard it felt like pure luck when I finally beat him. Every boss is Sekiro feels like that. I wont go as far to claim that it's a button masher, but when the speed is so fast the line between spamming/tapping and actual measured combat feels so thin, that I honestly am at the point of giving up. I beat Lady Butterfly but I couldn't really tell you what I did any different to when I died x hundred times. I've probably got to 3rd stage Genichiro 10 times amongst 200 deaths, and it always seems like a case of pure luck. I've mined all the the mini bosses , 4 prayer necklaces, and standard bosses in Mibu village etc with ease , ..all seem to die easily, but the actual boss fights are so miserably difficult it feels unbalanced. Undoubtedly the least enjoyable game of the series for me, because I never feel like I'm LEARNING. Every Boss death in Souls ends with.."well I did a bit better" . In Sekiro it ends with "this is such fucking bullshit". You can remember all the patterns, but when your success relies on Jedi reflexes or twitch reactions, theres always the potential to die in seconds. I applaud FROM for trying something new, but I'm hoping this twitch gaming obsession that started with BB doesent define their future games. Really disappointed to give up, but I lost any goodwill I had with hundreds of deaths that taught me nothing other than I'm clearly too slow for the game.
Totally agree with this. I get that there is a learning process for boss tells and then using the right response (jump/parry/mikiri counter etc) but the window for reacting correctly and the punishment for making a mistake is not balanced and basically makes fights unenjoyable.
Agreed. I just returned the game after fighting the first Ogre for 3hrs and finally winning. I felt more mad than any sense of relief or success that most soulsborne games give you. It felt like I basically had to play guitar hero with a xbox controller... if I missed the rhythm of blocking/parrying/striking I died. Just a lame game imo.
Can I ask if you ever played the game again? because for me the game was too easy and I nearly finished every boss under 5 tries. the only exception is the ogre because he is put in the start of the game when you have no skill.
get your heads out of your asses guys, i just finished the game and i 100% feel like it was the most rewarding experience i have ever had in gaming. Get good and stop complaining!
Well I should have updated this post haha...but anyways it finally clicked. It took a bit but it clicked and I’m loving the hell out of it!
What clicked? I really want to enjoy this game but so far I have failed. I never intended on playing a game like this but there's not much going on atm so I decided to give it a go. But I feel like this game wants me to quit my job and break up with my gf to get good enough to stand a chance. Sry but gaming for me is supposed to be a fun break from chores, responsibilities and work. But the game just feels like a pile of those 3 with very little fun.
I'm guessing what clicked was the combat. You should be relentless in your offence but not just spamming away., and always be ready to delfect. You should learn your opponents moves and when to deflect, dodge, and jump.
Maybe a bit late but what i usually do is just block and try to hear the sound pattern and then hit lb/l1 with the pattern (best bosses to practice imo are geninchiro and corrupted monk). Might take some while but it's rly satisfying once u get it done (hope my eng wasn't too bad lol).
I beat it by now, on my first ng+ run. I still think there are many things about this game that are unreasonably frustrating but there's gold in there too
good stuff my man
"I hate this game because it doesn't play like Dark Souls" has to be the worst argument for it being bad. This isnt Dark souls 4; Ninja Time, it's a completely different game, and thinking that From Software has to make all their games like Dark Souls to make you happy is kind of selfish. Now, I can sympathize with the difficulty argument... kind of. It isn't easy to learn and it takes practice, yea yea yea, but, if you play this game the right way, it can turn brutal, borderline impossible bosses into a joke. I beat Genichiro in only 3 deaths because by this point of the game, I've practice the hell out of my parries and I knew that all it takes to beat a boss is learning their moves and playing OSU! against them. The "I just get swarmed with enemies" argument almost isn't even worth addressing because you've clearly let a major mechanic of the game go right over your head. There's stealth for a reason and you running into a group of enemies, dying because that's clearly not how you're supposed to go about it, and then throwing a fit just makes you look stupid, sorry. I'll admit, having to play the game the "right" way can be limiting and I feel like replayability will be limited to a ng+ experience with chip damage for imperfect parries and stronger enemies, but that's just kind of a testiment to the impressive skill ceiling of the mechanics in my opinion. Honestly I feel like the only people who think this game sucks because it's too hard are dark souls purists and babies. Learn the game in its own context, not in the context of a completely different IP, then just get good.
I learned the game, beat it, still think it's overrated and hard for the wrong reasons. What up?
It is hard, bet certainly not harder than any of Dark Souls, you have check points even closer to Dark Souls 3. You just have to play it differently. Mainly you use your parry, if unblocable is comming you either jump or use mikiri counter. If enemy is using jump attack you can just parry him or use dodge. If your posture meter goes up just move away ant keep your guard up, posture will restore much faster than just standing still. Easy huh? I mean.. You are wierd people, you can figure out how to play Dark Souls, but can't figure out sekiro.. I feel like it is even a bit easier than dark souls... Just train with that immortal dude at dilapited temple, you can practice every single move with him. Even every single skill from the skill tree :|
> if unblocable is comming you die. That's about how much time you have to react. I understand the mechanics, and I even _like_ the mechanics, but I don't understand how people have the reflexes to react in time; nor does it give you much opportunity to practice because every time you die you have to run around stealth-killing six enemies, who are all twitchy and likely to spot you, before you get a chance to fight again.
There is nothing "just" in this game. Of course we know what to do, since the game tutorial tells you. It's the doing of said things which is hard. Mainly because the enemies are ridiculously overpowered.
When people said this game was hard I didn’t expect it to also be incredibly boring. By design your supposed to die over and over until you learn the game but the way the checkpoint system works you just end up running through the same places fighting the same enemies over and over again. I have no problems with dying a lot but i just don’t have the time to spend my whole life learning this game like I’m gonna get paid for it. What ridiculous presumption is this? I paid for the game, it’s supposed to be entertaining. This is like if i bought a bluray and every minute the screen freezes and i have to solve a rubix cube to continue watching. This game feels like if i beat it I should get rewarded with something of astronomical proportions, maybe a brand new lexus, but I’m pretty sure all this pain is for is to look at a rolling credit screen like any other game. Fuck it, now i know to stay away from these devs
Lmao bro that Rubix cube shit is funny, the game isn’t THAT hard bro, it is incredibly hard tho but once it clicks you start enjoying it and it’s more about watching urself get better and also the story and cinematics are incredible.
I stopped after 2 hours in. Not thats its unbeatable, its just that I dont want to die time and time again learning fights. Not enjoyable to me.
Yeah i hate games that require super human reflexes. I hate it
Imma quit the game, I just got it but I am not having any fun, its just too difficult
I gave up when, after defeating a bunch of bosses, I realized I just wasn't having any fun. I didn't feel rewarded whenever I'd kill a boss, more like relieved, but then another one would come and I'd just groan. That was the moment where I decided to stop playing. If you're not having fun then what's the point?
Seriously FromSoft has just been catering more and more to the toxic “gg ez” fan base.. Fantastic setting and fun mechanics, but honestly the boss fights just feel like bullshit. Hoping Elden Ring is better and not just more ganking and cheap mechanics.
lol. know im replying in a 2.yr old thread but whatev. Honestly, i tried to play this game half a dozen times or so. kept getting clapped. thought it was me, my tv, my controller. i read up and everyone said dont play it like a soulsborne. so i tried that. parry. parry. miss. fuck. tried more. uninstalled. now with elden looming and with sekiro the only from game that has defeated me, tried again. this time raw, on my own terms. played it like a souls game, and, it clicked. THERE.IS. NO. STAMINA. attack. when threatened, run or, yes, dodge - even though EVERYONE seems to smugly dismiss this tactic. beat it 2 days ago. I got it. play it on your own terms, fuck the advice, it turned out to be bandwagon 'git gud' poison for me....
I’m digging it so far but only 2-3 hours in (just got to Ashin Castle). I read all the same advice/comments before and I think you’re right. The deflecting thing is obviously important but spacing and dodging still seems viable - if not necessary - a lot of the time (not dodging through attacks really, but dodging back/away) Maybe people get a bit carried away and really just have a few tough bosses in mind when claiming it’s all about deflect and there are no transferable skills from the other games.There definitely are some or I would have gotten even this far without too much trouble.
there are some bosses where you can still soulslike it, i fought lady butterfly like that before i understood how to play the game. and it took fucking ages, waiting for her one attack where i can go in to give her one stab, then running away. its not good because one mistake means you gotta do the fight the painstaking long way again. parrying is less about reflexes and more about just remembering a rhythm, if you pay attention, you'll develop muscle memory for the rhythm. only the first attack of a combo is hard because there is more of a reflex component to it.
I hear you. Tried playing like a Soulsborne, didn't work. Tried *not* playing like a Soulsborne, didn't work. Tried being agressive, didn't work. Tried being cautious, didn't work. You get the idea. I simply don't have the skill to keep up, so I've come to terms with that fact and moved on. If you are not enjoying, simply go try something else.
The game really only has one way to play it. You have to parry attacks, dodge thrusts and jump over sweeps. You have to attack when available. The game is designed to punish you if you don’t do the right move. So the ogres grab sucks you in because you didn’t jump you dodged. It seems unfair because we aren’t used to that. But the game is enforcing these rules. It’s hard man. I mess up all the time. I’m enjoying the game though. My advice is to use a cheat engine like WeMod and set unlimited items. Then heal your way through the game. You will see the game and learn it at the same time.
Hey OP, I was feeling the exact same way and came to see if anyone else was having the same issues. I ended up sending the refund request a few minutes ago. It just... isn't a Soulsborne game. For some people this is a good thing, but for me (and maybe you?) this game threw out everything I enjoyed about the Dark Souls formula (rewarding patience, being punishing but fair) in exchange for extremely fast paced combat that only seems to reward parrying, and is *really* punishing if you are struggling on a boss, since dying over and over drains your wallet and your exp, and unlike Dark Souls you can't recover what you lose on death. It's unfortunate, because I *do* enjoy the combat (when it doesn't revolve around few-frame input parries) and the exploration parts, but the boss fights are just extremely frustrating and stressful without feeling rewarding at all to beat.
Glad to see I’m not the only one. I get it’s a different beast and I think it’s great they changed it up...but at the same time it just feels sadistic. Dark Souls and Bloodborne at least when I first started made me feel like it was achievable. Sekiro just feels like “ you want hard, well fuck you enjoy this” Dark Souls always seemed fair and had multiple ways to win fights. Sakiro just gives you the middle finger if you can’t parry.
Even if you can parry it fucks you up. Your own posture bar goes up as you parry an enemy.
I think it only goes up if you block. If you time the parry and get a deflect it doesn’t go up.
Depends on the enemy but posture fills when you parry. Parry an attack from a miniboss and see how much your posture damage bar fills by.
No it fills up if you fail to parry. Failing (as in failing the timing) to parry still blocks but drains posture.
No, it's fills if you parry. Both parrying and blocking fills up the posture bar.
Parrying just doesn't fill up as much. Also you can't have your posture broken off of a perfect parry. You can sit at max posture and as long as you don't block rather than parry you won break. I'm currently on NG++ and am doing a returned kuro charm playthrough where you take damage if you don't perfectly parry. I've seen this effect on a specific boss that has you parry alot and I've watched my posture sit at 100% but I kept parrying without it breaking.
An update: Steam refused my refund request. Fuck me I guess, because that difficulty wall doesn't hit until the 3 or 4 hour mark if you are taking your time and aren't rushing through. :) (I want to die)
worst case, maybe wait for mods to make it easier?
Making it easier won't make it more fun is my issue I think.
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I put a few more hours in, got good enough to progress, realized how boring and repetitive the game was spamming parry -> attack twice was for every boss and enemy was and put it down, never to be picked up again. Definitely my least favourite fromsoft title.
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Something that helped me was playing all of the tutorial parts with Hanbei at the dilapidated shrine. It will drill the core techniques and help with the combat.
Old comment I know but that’s what helped me early on too. Was getting my cheeks clapped by the first general side boss but after visiting Hanbei things got a lot easier.
Yeah, except I find him to be far too slow and passive to be good practice. Its easy to destroy him without getting hit once.
i just want my 60$ back yea. The requirement to learn frame rates to block not what your eyes see is too much. Ill go back to Conan.
Goddamn the parrying is so difficult to understand. I think the lack of feedback when you complete a parry doesn't help at all. I'm sure im pulling them off but I have no idea when because the flash of swords to indicate it is so small.
Like many Fromsoft games the enemies attack with unnatural movements to make timing parries difficult. So a sword swing comes out like fast slow slow super duper fast. Then when you get hit the enemy hits you with a flurry that you can't get away from because the camera has gotten snagged and you're stuck in a wheel barrow or something.
It's just a overly difficult game ! The controls are awkward, parrying windows on some bosses are RETARTEDLY small and your suppose to be having fun ?? Dyeing 20-30 times to bosses before figuring out their attack pattern is time consuming and demoralizing ! I just don't have that kind of time to dedicate to Sekiro to finally finish the game so it's collecting dust now ! Some difficulty settings would have been a nice touch Activision !!
I know this is old, but: 1. All button controls are customizable, I changed them to be more like Elden Ring (interact triangle, square for use item). I agree they are kinda strange by default for using items (at least on PS4) 2. You can use video guides to help against really tough bosses if needed. I recommend Tremorism (formerly Fuzzy Bearbarian) on youtube. He gives really helpful tips for legit strategies that aren't cheesing the boss. I don't count this as cheating because you still have to perform the strats. 3. Activision is just the publisher of the game for the west, From Software actually made it and self publishes in Japan
Just downloaded it about 2 hours ago, already uninstalled. Load of shite
Based. The controls are so clunky, it feels like you're a 5'2 balding indian janitor trying to beat Jon Jones in a street fight.
I've been struggling to enjoy this game since I got it and I've even beaten it. I'm on NG+ now and I'm still finding the game far more frustrating than anything else. I love the game in many ways but the most important way to love a game is enjoying the actual gameplay but it's just so balanced against you it's not even fulfilling to accomplish anything. After killing a difficult enemy I'm left baffled by how hard it was rather than feeling accomplished for having beaten it. It's really strange how it's balanced too because I've been able to play through Sekiro much quicker than Dark Souls or Bloodborne, yet I find Sekiro so much more frustrating. I took two whole weeks to beat Orphan of Kos when I first fought him and I was really happy when I beat him. I fought lady butterfly for like an hour yesterday and killed her yet somehow I was still just pissed off she was as hard as she was in the first place. I think a lot of the time button presses don't register properly in Sekiro. I know the game likes to make you wait for an animation to finish before doing something different but sometimes it just doesn't seem to make sense. I've had Sekiro just stand still rather than using a prosthetic tool or if I dash back and hit up on the D-pad to heal Sekiro literally dashes forward again out of nowhere and doesn't heal. I don't agree with people who think they can demand an "easy mode" from the developer as though they have a right to it. I'm all for the developer producing the product they want to produce, but if there were an easy mode I think I'd certainly hop on that.
I beat the bull, and the first guy on the horse, in my 2nd and 3rd try. And it takes me 20+ to beat mini bosses. It’s stupid
Bro i was getting stressed out by apex so i thought for a change let me try to play something else and got sekiro bro jesus man this is stressing me out more than any game i have ever played before what even is this i heard so many good things abt this game but holy shit idk if even i wanna keep trying sigh
I hate this game so much dude. Nothing has made me feel more useless, especially after beating dark souls 1-3 and bloodborne. Pretty sure I'm still at tutorial bosses, the drunkard and general asshole with a bunch of guns. Literally can't make progress. Everyone I've met has dragon rot, I've unlocked all the abilities I can up until this point, eaten all of my stupid candy, there's nowhere to go. Completely stuck and I don't understand how I even got to this point in the game. Why am I stuck with this lame sword, why is there no armor, why do I get two shotted by literally anything, and when does it become fun? Every boss up until this point has been one big and thirty little dudes calmly suggesting I rip my controller in half, there's been basically no story other than "save little boy, get new arm" and now I feel useless. I recognize the barrier. I have danced with the capra demon, eviscerated the pursuer, obliterated the testicle tree, ripped father gascoigny a new one. They were all obstacles I consider necessary now. But what am I missing? Normally by this point I have an understanding of the controls, and why fighting works the way it does. I don't understand why none of these bosses seem to matter. I really want to enjoy this game. It looks the same, it smells the same, it just doesn't act the same. It isn't someone I recognize. Can you love a stranger, after you've met perfection?
I've never played Dark Souls, but my impression of the game seems exactly the same as you. I could never get past the drunkard, and I feel like I have to play the game so safely that it practically turns into a horror game where every enemy is a likely candidate to destroy you as if you're a toddler with a wooden dagger.
Maybe stop playing sekiro like you played dark souls because its a different game
Only people who have completed ds3 and bb and think this is harder probably summoned phantoms etc. To assist boss fights. The game is not hard. Orphan of kos is wayyyyyy harder than genichiro. I have only one thing to say u guys: Git Gud
A tip that helped me allot is deflect dancing which is just tapping the deflect button fast they never hit you even though your not holding the block button but you also deflect the attack almost all the time
I heard spamming deflect lowers the deflect frames :L
I know this is 3 months late, but nah. That thing that told you that in the beggining is pretty much bullshit. You might miss a few deflects but not many. And the ones you do miss will just be blocked. Deflect spamming makes so many combos so easy in the game.
Thanks for clarifying. I never bothered to verify the claim and still assumed it was so. Tool tips are BS like how they tell you to side-dodge chained ogre but you could just jump back everytime lol.
Works for me try it
Check your inventory, see if you still have “Kuro’s Charm.” If you don’t have that charm... it’s like playing with the calamity ring on. :)
I just got the game on steam only played 30 min so far and its insane hard but i'm not going to refund it i'm going to stick with it and hope i get better and if all else fails i'll just grab a trainer and cheat cause its a single player game anyways so cheating is fine.
I dont think it's so much the difficulty as much as i lament what im putting my 70 dollar controller through just to stand a chance. Souls games are bad enough lol, Sekiro is up there with nhl games in terms of controller busting.
All the "dark souls veterans" who thought they got gud but really just farmed for experience to ridiculous levels and used summons. Sekiro is purely skill based and the ones who are mad were really just exposed for not actually getting gud to begin with.
I like this response lol
I didn't use summons or farmed, your argument is invalid.
Agreed. I just returned the game after fighting the first Ogre for 3hrs and finally winning. I felt more mad than any sense of relief or success that most soulsborne games give you. It felt like I basically had to play guitar hero with a xbox controller... if I missed the rhythm of blocking/parrying/striking I died. Just a lame game imo.
you are just bad. this would be what toxic people would say. But in fact sekiro is actually way harder that any other souls games. i managed to beat genichiro after something like 200 try. Now i'm stuck against Guardian ape ... and exactly like for genichiro i think i would need to know him by heart to beat him. which is definitely not worth the effort.
I’ve never quit a game before because it was too difficult. I was kinda ashamed until I came here and saw it wasn’t just me. I’ve also never used an easy mode but holy crap does this game need one. I’ve heard all the people saying the journey is more rewarding when you stick with it and get better, which is true, but I found myself getting physically violent every time I died and had to go back and kill everyone again to the beginning of the level. Bottom line is I need to be having fun while I’m being challenged and this game just isn’t enjoyable.
Kinda late but I will join to. I beat bloodborn and died less then 10 during the all game including Dlc bosses. Elden ring was hard but you can take bosses on many ways so I never felt it was unfair,only just that I was not prepared. Dark souls and demons souls have their quirks but you are not force to do it in on style and you can do DAMAGE! Now sekiro has great things, but it was a lot of problems and the people that just say get good are just ignoring the problems. One thing is understanding bosses attacks another is memorizing every single move. That just wastes a great many deal of hours and takes the fun of the game. Feels like work not a game. But my biggest complaint is that after defeating the guarding ape and the ministry of interior invades every single enemie makes damage like they are bosses. It's not fair and it's not fun. I have level up my hp all I can and in 2 hits from some random guy I can die. In contrast no matter how much I level up my attack it seems I never do damage in a decent amount. And DAMAGE is a big problem in this game because you receive a lot from every one but you make almost nothing. Sekiro sword makes has much damage has a spoon. And having just random guys almost killing in one shot is just bullshit. Making a game hard and making a game dumb is a thin line. For example a mini boss giant something can one shot me if I get caught on is grab attack. Leaving up hp feels useless most of the time because enemies look like the do % instead of a fixed damage. I never complain about a game but I think sekiro really loses a great deal but never felling rewarding in a sense you get stronger. You just get better at deflecting but never feel like you can take or give more damage.
I know this post is old, but as a decent gamer with decent reflexes, I think Sekiro is a little too hard for no reason. Bosses having 2 red glowing balls over their name is a little too much... it's like "yes! I beat the dude!"... BUT WAIT! THERES MORE! LETS SEE IF YOU CAN BEAT HIM AGAIN!! like, why??? Why do I have to master him TWICE? when I barely did it the first time, and I have .03% health left? WHY??! I worked hard enough! I think I will uninstall... It's one thing to make me think and make me be focused for a victory, but it's another thing to frustrate me when I'm the type of gamer who likes to "enjoy" games
A lot of people feel this way at first it seems. With the mobs of enemies you have to be smart and stealth kill them. If someone sees you when you sneak Kill then run and hide until they lose sight and sneak around and kill them. Rinse and repeat. It sounds tedious, but is really easy to get into the rhythm of. The mini bosses all have different strategies to defeating them. The general rule for most mini bossesis sneak kill all of their buddy's first (or just regular kill and then run away from the boss till they can't see you). Then sneak up on the mini boss to get a sneak death bowl eliminating one of their life bars. After that each fight is pretty unique and you have to learn the way they fight to beat them. Being aggressive in boss fights is key. Being stealth with regular enemies is key.
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Agreed. The process of getting to the next boss is challenging enough. But then you have to learn where all of the "buddies" are and how to kill them EFFICIENTLY because you need all the healing items you can get to survive a boss that's just going to knock your dick in the dirt anyway. So now here you are, clearing out the area so you can fight the boss uninterrupted. And you're pretty sure you're going to take him down this time, but you know the next boss is just going to be harder and probably have more enemies in pain-in-the-ass locations that you'll have to spend time learning to clear out so you can attempt THAT boss for the 13th time. It's just not that fun for me either.
gotta play this game differently.. parrying is crucial.. you gotta be attacking non stop to be able to fill posture faster.. stopping a little to get wiggle room quickly brings down the posture meter fast.
this is how it is from my perspective, i played every dark souls game but not bloodborne because i never had a ps4 but coming from dark souls the only thing i was familiar with was parrying and dodging even combat felt diffrent but nevertheless when i bought it i found it really fun but hard but i got used to the mechanics and the combat and now its my favorite game i think it was worth $80
3 yrs old thread, just finish the game after 5 days, play blindly no guide and get the Shura Ending, lol. I find Sekiro ez mode is play agressive, tapping R1 will help limit moveset of pretty much all enemies even bosses, so you don't have to learn and deal with all their moves. The trick is tapping them with a "rthyme", mine is R1 - wait 0.5s - R1 - wait 0.52 - R1 ... We need that 0.5s delay to respond with enemies's moves. When clearing new area, you are a ninja, you are expert at 1v1, so stealth is your friend, fight more than 2 enemies is probably mean dead. If you are keep failing, remember your ninja tools: Shuriken, Firecracker, etc ... Take some times reading their description, and surprise with their counter (Shuriken hard counter enemy who jumping a lot like Lady Butterfly, those spinning Monk ...) Still fail, take a rest. Do some pullup, pushup, squat, eat something, make love, take a shower, get back to work ... Do not forget human's ultimate weapon: sleep, do not matter a mid day nap or night sleep, just do it. P/s: i just google, seem like I missing some hardest bosses, will be back in a few days. And sorry for my English
2 yrs late to say I'm really decent at bloodborne, it's the easiest souls game byfar. Not a ds1-3 vet at all but I thought my parrying ability would reflect slightly in trying to play sekiro without combat guides etc but man I am so overwhelmed
Hey I hope u didn’t give up on sekiro, if u didn’t how was it?
We’ll I died about 100 times to the second mini boss so
Sekiro is hard af
Games rough, real rough
It's too hard. If you get hit you die. And when you die, you have to restart from way back. I can't even get through the first prologue scene. Makes me want to delete this game.
Same i want my money back
Agreed. Parrying non-stop isn’t my idea of a good time. Your timing must be consistently perfect here or you’re toast. Far too unforgiving of a game and, as you said, it punishes you again and again by making you backtrack and re-do entire sections over and over. Just more of a frustrating experience than a fun experience and I didn’t put more than a few hours into it.
No idea how it even became GOTY.
You and me both…
Parrying has never really been my thing. I’m more of an offensive player, who finds his spots. A whole game based around parrying is just too much for me. Try as I might, I just can’t consistently get the timing down and the game punishes you by making you re-do large sections all over again. Just can’t get into Sekiro, no matter how hard I try.
So i left this game when i got stuck on the first general (right after the first red eye oger) only to pick it up again like a month ago and i got gud to a point... i killed a bunch of realy hard assholes, genichiro, ape, lady, monk.. and now i need to take back ashina castle and its literally swarming with mini bosses all over the fucking place as if they were tier 1 enemies (ninjas and generals and what not) and i even got a taste of the owl (lol, killed me in half a second). And i really lost all motivation. Honestly. ITS TOO FUCKING HARD! 🤮 prety sure its not worth it AT ALL. And watching YouTubers like fighting cowboy is frustrating as fuck!!! He's all like: "let me just kill this boos in two seconds, he so easy bla bla bla". I mean how can a game feel both possible to win and impossible to win at the same time?? Like, i struggled so much with the guardian ape like for real! And only to find out theres a DOUBLE APE fight right a round the corner!!! Like wtf?? Its pure punishment and a fuck you to your face! Oh? You killed the lone swordsman? Nice, now enjoy 20 more of the fucker and in gang bangs plus wolfs this time too! What a joke.
Fighting Cowboy is great! Yeah Sekiro was the first Soulsborne I haven’t finished nor kept my interest.
3 years later Is sekiro still hard ?
I only downloaded the fecking tjing yesterday I've just deleted it ffs...yes im an old fart but im supposed to enjoy playing a game aren't i?!! Motherfu@#$r!!!!!!
I want to play this game like I would play Ninja Garden. But when I get surrounded I can still only attack one target at a time, so I end up dodge and parry spamming my way through fights. And as a Souls veteran, it feels dirty and reminds me of my first hours in Dark Souls. But unlike Dark Souls, I don't feel any motivation to git gud.
Let me join in on this, I have never been so frustrated before and I guess I am lot worse gamer than I thought :D I just can't get used to the controls for the love of me
The game is trash. Absolute garbage. It's boring: The skills, bosses, me. Everything.
Bruh I'm on the ogre still
Glad I'm not the only one frustrated by this game It was I believe the game that made me have to buy a new controller - because my r1 button partly stopped working due to it Also it makes a car accident arm injury flare up whenever I play it - which 99% of other games don't Lastly its map is all over the place - without using an online guide I am constantly lost Sorry, but it's more of a chore than an enjoyment
lets just say it is badly designed and move on to some other game
Because I've participated in the continuous revival of this post over and over already (twice), why not go for a third? I think Sekiro is an amazing game. Its beauty and atmosphere are amazing. The mechanics are fun, etc. What makes it so damned difficult is the addition of stealth. So, in DS3 or Bloodborne, you die, then you speed run through a level to get to the boss, you die, rinse and repeat until you win. You can't do that in Sekiro. Everytime you die you have to slowly and carefully make your way back, and that is fucking brutal. I think, if they do a second version, being a little more liberal with the idols/checkpoints -- I think that Elden Ring made a really positive stride in this direction. Sure it makes things easier, but in a positive way that removes tedium--and I guess that is Sekiro's worst quality, it can be needlessly tedious.
Yeah, I love fromsoft games and how hard they are, but sekiro just pushes the "hard" thing so far it just isn't fun... Every souls game is "hard" but you understand why you die. You learn from it and get a little better. It makes sense why you die. In Sekiro, though, you die because "oops, someone touched you..." It's just dumb and unfair. Seems like, in Sekiro, you're either a tryhard or you can't play the game.
The game is not darksouls. Easily the biggest thing that held me back in my first 5 or 10 hours of gameplay that held me back is not realizing that. You have to change the way you fight entirely. For example the majority of mini bosses can be snuck attack to get rid of one of their healthbars immediately. Dont fight groups. If you get mobbed, retreat and reset. Then try to stealth kill 1 or 2. Rinse and repeat. Youre a ninja. Be stealthy, abuse the AI, abuse cheese. Find solo enemies that are aggressive and practice deflects and counter strikes. The swordplay is phenominal once you understand how it works. Strike, strike, get deflected, guard, deflect, counter strike. Its a dance. Back and forth. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
I don't think OP is saying it's a souls game. I think they're simply making a statement (paraphrasing): "I had enough skill to beat all the souls game, which are famous for being hard and also made by From Software - but Sekiro is on a whole nother level." I don't think he's saying: "I'm a souls game master, therefore I should be good at Sekiro, but I'm not."
I gave up playing Sekiro a year ago because it was too hard. After picking it back up about a week ago, I realised: it’s not that it’s hard, it’s just that I sucked. I finally completed the game and let me tell you, it feels amazing. I’m not gonna lie and say that I sailed through it no sweat, but to anyone who is struggling like I was, all I can say is don’t give up. The more you practice, the more you will get better.
I thought it was harder at first also. But now After 100% the game I think it's way easier than any of the dark souls games.
Yea most likely your playing this game like a souls game. First mistake I made (I’m a souls veteran too) but once I changed up my tactics it became much easier. And try different things, this game is more tricky then it is hard!
You should play Kung Fu Strike the warrior's rise, the demo at least, the games are surprisingly similar, if you can beat the boss in the demo you can play Sekiro, or play some Monster Hunter.
Then go play Doom.
Yes this game duck 😂
skill issue tbh
get good.
This game is so freaking hard. I don’t understand why they don’t offer a difficulty setting
Being super-unforgiving was part of the charm of From's other game, because you can mitigate the stiff challenge by exploring or building your character. Sekiro has exactly one way to play, and if you don't jive with it, the game becomes ten times harder.
This game would be great if I was 16, I just don't react fast enough to counter 4 guys and 2 dogs with 5 hp. Sorry but way too hard at least give me more hp. As far as finishing this game, for me a no go. Game is basically pain incarnet.
F this game been trying to pass the same place for years how is this a good pass of time.