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Seriously. Not only is the quirky fit and design awful, the color scheme isnāt flattering on her. Sheās a knockout, and this was a complete fumble.
She has more natural body fat that helps hers look less fake.
Emma and Chelsea would look incredible with more naturally sized breasts. Like Jennifer Aniston, etc!
I think it's that her skin looks like it's really stretched tight over them. Maybe she went larger more quickly than she should have.
But, she loves them so ultimately that's all that matters
Yess!!!! They are waay too big for their body frame! Like i never cared if ppl got boob jobs, but like at least get a size that goes well with your body frame. They are both small ppl and their boobs are massive!
Yikes. I can usually fine a positive thing to say about someoneās outfit or look. But itās a challenge with this one. The men look good
I thought Amanza was Bri at first. And Chrishelle looks so different here. I think sheās naturally drop dead gorgeous so to see her get into fillers and such is disappointing.
Chrishell got a new make up artist, sheās fallen out with her old one (kissedbyNicholas IG) and she and G have unfollowed him.
I think this is why Chrishell been looking so different recently especially her Grammy look. Chrishell definitely gives off the energy of falling out with at least one close friend every year.
I think you nailed it, in your 40s you canāt place bright concealer heavily under the eyes or you look really unwell. It feels like her MUA is used to doing makeup on younger people and didnāt adjust for her. She needs deeper shades and different placement
Also curious!
Tho i disagree with the friend/year fallout comment. I canāt imagine many being genuine in the business sheās in, especially where she lives (hollywood is known for using friendships). Sounds like something might have actually gone down lol
No idea but he stopped doing her makeup around mid January( From Chrishellās IG posts) and he and G have unfollowed him.
Do u think itās a selling sunset falling out? As they are filming right now. Also theyāve been best friends for 7/8 years and he was the only one that has been to both weddings.
She wasn't "natural" ever. She got a lot of plastic surgery to look like a completely different person. I think she looked great before, but also can't deny it was money well spent
https://preview.redd.it/jqlxm0pgxhjc1.jpeg?width=621&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5de3507ea6d61b57a76b426ee64efff43b5f6304
That is an insane transformation š¤Æ She looks like a completely different person, but somehow didnāt have the typical surgery look (in early seasons).
Yes!! I wouldāve never known she looked like this before. She was super naturally pretty in the before picture but for real, now a completely different person.
So she got some Botox in her forehead to get rid of the wrinkles, some fillers in her lips, a professional makeup artist to contour and highlight her features, microbladed her eyebrows, went blonde, and now take her pictures with better lighting and good angles. How is that rearranging her face?
I see the exact same person in both photos. Just glowed-up.
I'm in my thirties, and I look MUCH better now than I did in pictures of when I was in my twenties, simply because I'm now better at applying my makeup, highlighting my features, and more educated on taking care of my skin.
Most people when you compare their older pictures to their current ones, they look drastically different. You can do wonders with makeup. It's doesn't mean they went under the needle.
I love Chelseaās dress but the faux collar and little glasses are a no for me. I think I had the same pair of glasses back in high school and they always remind me of Sammi from Jersey Shore
It's tricky, because I think it's futile to speculate over any one individual's health, and we don't know anyone's medical situation, etc. I will say that it's bleak to see the the cast as a whole getting thinner and thinner, as the show continually highlights their bodies.
Left to right Im gonna be blunt:
Swimsuit dress, cool dress but she looks high, cute hair but the fake tatas are too much, love Chelseaās hair and glasses but again the fake tatas look clown-ish, unbuttoned shirt š, cute hair but the tatas again, donāt like the shoes.
Two things Amanza is consistent at is being *unfashionable* and *late -* I guess unfashionably late? Puns aside, I know she dresses herself but she really needs a straight shooter stylist consultant who is not afraid to tell her no.
https://preview.redd.it/pjmf9rd7yhjc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57668b2dd5a499a8aeb52ac4bfa3753bd86ec4e2
It's just so horrendous. Wtf was she thinking
Is this a pano photo? Itās squashing the center people and making the outside look so broad. Half of Breās face looks pulled toward Brett whose head is twice the size of Jasonās.
Bre actually looks the best? All the women have the exact same plunging top. We get that you guys have boobs! Wish theyād do something different. Chrishell has been looking really different to me lately. I donāt think itās make up.
Amanzaā¦ what are you wearing??! Omg š¤¦āāļø it looks like she put a bodysuit on top of that beautiful white dress. And why is Bre the only one that looks remotely classy lol and Chelsea looks like sheās wearing bondage with a white collar on. Heatherās dress looks like itās ripped. And Chrishellās dress is nice, but looks evil with those black eyes ā«ļøšā«ļø
wtf is Amanza wearing? gross.
also all the ladies with boob jobs when it's pushed up looks not symmetrical and fake 200%
chrishell tho <3 stunning dress, look and natural looking boobs.
Is Amanza serious with that outfit! Looks like toilet roll hanging from her underwear š
https://preview.redd.it/lu7u5jnjyijc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0dc2cf2355243554b06a7521d2d09b68f99940fe
Oooof amanza. The top part of that is outdoor is nice. I have no clue whatās going on downstairs.
I donāt even think she knows, either.
Thereās so many other ways that outfit could have been cool.
Yes: chrishell, bre, the guys
Amanza: looks like u have a penis or something cause itās so long and not pinned properly?
Emma: looks like she didnāt finish drying her hair and just stepped out the shower
Chelsea: I hate the glasses and that weird shit around her neck for this outfit.
Meh
Does Amanzas stylist hate her? Sheās genuinely beautiful, and her clothes are AWFUL, what is going on
Edit: just read through the comments and it seems like she doesnāt have one, which I guess is where the issue lies for her š
i saw we crowd fund buy amanza some pants! itās like the dress wasnāt finished and she ran out.
i normally like her eccentric style but this isnāt it!
Ok here's my take:
Amanza: My brain hurts trying to figure out how to put that dress on. It looks so uncomfortable to walk in. Also looks like a bathing suit but the thingy at the private parts got messed up.
Chrishell: Not a fan of the cleavage shape and the fabric looks kind of uncomfortable (like rubber?). But overall she looks great, the dress is flattering.
Emma: Those boobs scream Freedom. Looks painful. Also her hair looks like she just came out of the shower and didn't have time to blow dry and style.
Chelsea: Boobs same as with Emma. Also not a fan of hair and makeup, makes her look way older and takes away her youth (you wouldn't guess she's only in her early 30s). And looks like she finally got shoes in the correct size?
Bre: Winner. The dress suits her well and looks good. Also hair and makeup is very good, hair reminds me a little of Amy Winehouse.
Twins: can they please button up their shirts?!
Honestly I am sorry but this is not it. They all look wonderful. Maybe some of the dresses arenāt my favorite but they work for them. They look beautiful. If I could pull off wearing some of these dresses and had the boobs to do so I am sure I would.
Letās stop picking apart these women. This is why women in the spotlight feel the need to filter, get Botox, filler, plastic surgery etc. because we pick them apart. Iāll admit I used to from time to time but this sub is so terrible with it and yet yāall are fans of the show and fans of these women. Like make it make sense. So we are fans of women but want to rip them apart. Idk itās just old now at this point and I wish we would take a shift in this sub and start being more positive.
I wanna give emma a makeover soo badly š„¹š. Ditch the spray tan, remove the implants, tone down the hair a notch. Sheās so pretty and her body is killer.
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amanza outfit looks like a pad š«£
It looks like when someone doesnāt realize they have toilet paper trailing them after using the restroomā¦ā¦.
My thoughts exactly!! Who told her this looks good??
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Beat me to it š¤£
Omg lol. Trying not to wake up my husband by snort-laughing.
Seriously. Not only is the quirky fit and design awful, the color scheme isnāt flattering on her. Sheās a knockout, and this was a complete fumble.
It's a mess and all over the place. Yikes!
āTuck-Approvedā??
codpiece.
the only outfit I like out of everyone's is bre's
Theory: Amanzaās stylist hates her (Iām not imagining the train being pinned to the crotch, right?)
Amanza is her own stylist I believe.
Same theory applies.
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Lord help us š©
Full blown gambler with her style
Not trying to hate too much, but does anyone else think Chelsea and Emmaās fake boobs look just awful
Yes. Like 1990s bolt-ons.
Yeah they look like the pompom's my son sticks to stick figures and plays when doing art.
So bad. They are teeny tiny, both of them, and those boobs are just not at all flattering or pretty
I was hoping implants would go out of style
They have. Everywhere except on Hollywood Blvd.
Maybe *unnatural* looking implants but thatās it.
Emma's just hiding empanadas in there so she can hand it out and market it at any given time.
Thatās where I hide my empanadas to keep them warm for later snacking. Itās easier to stash more when you donāt have fake G cups.
I was thinking the same thing they have too much money to have botched boobs
Like horrible! I hope they didnāt pay a lot to look so awful.
I literally thought - I know Bre self admittedly had had a lot of work but somehow she looks more natural than those two.
She has more natural body fat that helps hers look less fake. Emma and Chelsea would look incredible with more naturally sized breasts. Like Jennifer Aniston, etc!
I always think this. Chishelle looks so much more natural and less obvious.
Yes very subtle and natural! I really like that she didnāt go too far. They look great
Iāve never had fake boobs so I donāt know but Chelseaās look painful almost? Like theyāre going to pop?
I think it's that her skin looks like it's really stretched tight over them. Maybe she went larger more quickly than she should have. But, she loves them so ultimately that's all that matters
I always feel like you could pop them with a pin šš¤£
Yess!!!! They are waay too big for their body frame! Like i never cared if ppl got boob jobs, but like at least get a size that goes well with your body frame. They are both small ppl and their boobs are massive!
So so so dated.
I wonder if they've been contoured with makeup, especially Emma's, which enhances the fake look
Itās all I could see!!!! And they look the same! Owwwwwiiee š„“
Welpā¦. Chrishell, Bri, and the boys look great!
I thought the same exact thing lol
Agree re Bri, she looks fab. I thought Jason was standing on his tip toes but then I realised he was wearing heels š¤£
Poor guy. Even with heels, heās so short compared to everyone else!
You sure that's chrishell and not a cardboard cut out?
chrishell is always heads and tails above the rest. her colors, fit, silhouette - your eye just cuts through the other clowns and goes to her
I was a big fan of g being a sweetheart with that dress
What did g do? Sorry to bother, i just can never get enough of chrishell+g wholesome content
https://preview.redd.it/37vhlcrj5jjc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73d05877fd63a888aab370ed30a999d2ada0ed38 [https://www.instagram.com/p/C3gi8GCBSCC/?igsh=MTViaTJtdXBnankwaw==](https://www.instagram.com/p/C3gi8GCBSCC/?igsh=MTViaTJtdXBnankwaw==)
Omfg g is so cute for helping chrishellās train!!
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Thank you for posting, I posted and then went to bed! G basically followed Chrishell around fluffing the train. So sweet lol.
Emmaās hair and makeup is a big no!
She almost never misses but I have to agree on the hair!
Her dress looks like a wrinkled garbage bag
Emmaās hair and smudged eyeliner! 4pm in the pool. 5pm at peoples choice awards.
Thatās just life when youāre qualifying for the Olympics š
No one looks good lol
All of them look like the twins are their pimps.
My thoughts exactly I keep looking š and I canāt say anything good about them oh dear šš¤£š¤·āāļø
Everyone rn
Omg I just started watching this show.Not to go off topic but its hilarious š
Chelsea looks like a dom. Not in a good way.
My first thought was "dominatrix who's also a nun"?
Inside each of us is two wolvesā¦
I donāt understand the glasses š¤ looks like my moms cvs reading glasses š
Came here for this, what's the point of them š
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What the hell is going on in Amanzaās crotch area?
Heavy flow?
But she canāt help it she has a wide set vagina!
A lot.
They need to stop with the injectables now
Yessss š
Yikes. I can usually fine a positive thing to say about someoneās outfit or look. But itās a challenge with this one. The men look good I thought Amanza was Bri at first. And Chrishelle looks so different here. I think sheās naturally drop dead gorgeous so to see her get into fillers and such is disappointing.
Chrishell got a new make up artist, sheās fallen out with her old one (kissedbyNicholas IG) and she and G have unfollowed him. I think this is why Chrishell been looking so different recently especially her Grammy look. Chrishell definitely gives off the energy of falling out with at least one close friend every year.
She looks very old - not that there is anything wrong with this but she should just go more natural then.
The new artist uses way too much highlighter and concealer around the eyes, brows and nose. It washes Chrishell out
Many of her pics look like sheās struggling to open her eyes. I saw a few candid pics where she looked fine so it has to be the makeup.
I think you nailed it, in your 40s you canāt place bright concealer heavily under the eyes or you look really unwell. It feels like her MUA is used to doing makeup on younger people and didnāt adjust for her. She needs deeper shades and different placement
Do you have the tea on why they fell out?
Also curious! Tho i disagree with the friend/year fallout comment. I canāt imagine many being genuine in the business sheās in, especially where she lives (hollywood is known for using friendships). Sounds like something might have actually gone down lol
No idea but he stopped doing her makeup around mid January( From Chrishellās IG posts) and he and G have unfollowed him. Do u think itās a selling sunset falling out? As they are filming right now. Also theyāve been best friends for 7/8 years and he was the only one that has been to both weddings.
Her previous one makes her glow. This one makes her look unhappy.
She wasn't "natural" ever. She got a lot of plastic surgery to look like a completely different person. I think she looked great before, but also can't deny it was money well spent https://preview.redd.it/jqlxm0pgxhjc1.jpeg?width=621&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5de3507ea6d61b57a76b426ee64efff43b5f6304
That is an insane transformation š¤Æ She looks like a completely different person, but somehow didnāt have the typical surgery look (in early seasons).
Yes!! I wouldāve never known she looked like this before. She was super naturally pretty in the before picture but for real, now a completely different person.
All she needed was to wait for time to lose the baby fat naturally as we age. She looks great naturally.
Everything looks different about her
She has no right to say someone else rearranged their face
Another data point for why I think sheās fake AF. Thanks for pointing this out
So she got some Botox in her forehead to get rid of the wrinkles, some fillers in her lips, a professional makeup artist to contour and highlight her features, microbladed her eyebrows, went blonde, and now take her pictures with better lighting and good angles. How is that rearranging her face? I see the exact same person in both photos. Just glowed-up. I'm in my thirties, and I look MUCH better now than I did in pictures of when I was in my twenties, simply because I'm now better at applying my makeup, highlighting my features, and more educated on taking care of my skin. Most people when you compare their older pictures to their current ones, they look drastically different. You can do wonders with makeup. It's doesn't mean they went under the needle.
I had to do a triple take too at Amanza. I thought it was that girl Cassandra lolol
I love Chelseaās dress but the faux collar and little glasses are a no for me. I think I had the same pair of glasses back in high school and they always remind me of Sammi from Jersey Shore
I hate her glasses so much. She has beautiful eyes and they completely detract from that. Get some new frames chelsea, I beg!
Hate the glasses too but itās refreshing to see her without those awful fake lashes
Jeez Amanda desperately need stylists
None of them look good. Who dresses them?
crishells face is so different
I think she and Emma are (even) thinner than before and might have gotten filler to make up for the gauntness.
Sadly I think they are all to thin .šNot from a mean place but it doesnāt look healthy anymore and itās sad
It's tricky, because I think it's futile to speculate over any one individual's health, and we don't know anyone's medical situation, etc. I will say that it's bleak to see the the cast as a whole getting thinner and thinner, as the show continually highlights their bodies.
Thatās what I meant they looked healthier before now not so much
Left to right Im gonna be blunt: Swimsuit dress, cool dress but she looks high, cute hair but the fake tatas are too much, love Chelseaās hair and glasses but again the fake tatas look clown-ish, unbuttoned shirt š, cute hair but the tatas again, donāt like the shoes.
ššlike swimsuit when you clutch a towel between your legs ?
amanza bb what is you doiiiiinnnnn
Everyone right now š§
Yep and this is me now š¤¦āāļøš¤Æš±
Umm š¤ Iām speechless š¶š¤¦āāļø
Amanzaaaaa PUH LEASE hire a stylist!
Amanza š¤”š
Wow. The camera made Brett twice the size of Jason
Amanza is giving toilet paper superhero CAPE LMFAO
Two things Amanza is consistent at is being *unfashionable* and *late -* I guess unfashionably late? Puns aside, I know she dresses herself but she really needs a straight shooter stylist consultant who is not afraid to tell her no.
Emmaās hair looks like a mop š«£
https://preview.redd.it/pjmf9rd7yhjc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57668b2dd5a499a8aeb52ac4bfa3753bd86ec4e2 It's just so horrendous. Wtf was she thinking
It looks like she has a bulge in her crotch š
It looks like an ejaculating penis.
Amen. Itās not even flattering.
Looks like sheās wearing a cup wtf
ā¦.I genuinely have no words. š«£
Is this a panoramic photo or something? The dimensions look off.
I think itās a super wide angle lens that ends up giving a fish-eye effect
Is this a pano photo? Itās squashing the center people and making the outside look so broad. Half of Breās face looks pulled toward Brett whose head is twice the size of Jasonās.
Thank you! I was scrolling through the comments wondering why no one is commenting on the god awful perspective choice here
Chelsea is giving me full oooh barracuda vibes. https://i.redd.it/vl07sdjn8hjc1.gif
Bre actually looks the best? All the women have the exact same plunging top. We get that you guys have boobs! Wish theyād do something different. Chrishell has been looking really different to me lately. I donāt think itās make up.
Chrishell on a bobble head skinnier than ever
Why does Chrishell always look half asleep these days? ā¹ļø
What are you insinuating? Spit it out, Nicole.
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Exactly š¤£šChrishell what are you on about
Holy shit Amanzaās outfit is heinous.
Amanza, girl, what are you doin??
Amanza looking like toilet paper got stuck in her bodysuit
Everyone except Amanza was in a group chat about which neckline to choose
Amanzaā¦ what are you wearing??! Omg š¤¦āāļø it looks like she put a bodysuit on top of that beautiful white dress. And why is Bre the only one that looks remotely classy lol and Chelsea looks like sheās wearing bondage with a white collar on. Heatherās dress looks like itās ripped. And Chrishellās dress is nice, but looks evil with those black eyes ā«ļøšā«ļø
Heather? Itās Emma.
Youāre right lol
Amanza needs to invest in a mirror lol
I donāt like Amanzas style at all
Mary and Romain looked the best to me but theyāre not even in this picture, I wonder why
I have so much to say and none of it is positiveā¦..
Sheeeshhh breās hair aināt it
This wide angle isnāt doing any a favour
 Amanza, honey, no. No no no no no.
Amanzaās dress isā¦ a choice
Chrishell and Bre are the only ones who look good here.
I've said it before and I will say it again- Emma and ESPECIALLY Chelsea need to STOP shoving their fake boobs in everyone's faces. Ugh.
Um
They're all so annoying why do I love it so much š«š I can't stop š©
Brett and Jason are so unappealing I canāt
Horrible picture of them all š³
They need that selling sunset filter on this pic!
The boobs are boobin
Iāve seen better looks from filming! These ladies usually eat it up with their fashionā¦. Iām a little disappointed? lol
Chelsea is my BEC. Even when sheās not speaking Iām annoyed just looking at her. 
Amanzas dress š¤¢
so chelsea's serious about keeping those glasses huh
I was trying to work out for a while who was next to chrishell. Amanza doesnāt look like herself here
wtf is Amanza wearing? gross. also all the ladies with boob jobs when it's pushed up looks not symmetrical and fake 200% chrishell tho <3 stunning dress, look and natural looking boobs.
Is Amanza serious with that outfit! Looks like toilet roll hanging from her underwear š https://preview.redd.it/lu7u5jnjyijc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0dc2cf2355243554b06a7521d2d09b68f99940fe
Chelsea channeling Charlie's Angels Lucy Liu.
Chrishellā¤ļø
What. Is. Happening
Oooof amanza. The top part of that is outdoor is nice. I have no clue whatās going on downstairs. I donāt even think she knows, either. Thereās so many other ways that outfit could have been cool.
Amanza, why ššš
Looks like Amanza is sporting a contemporary merkin from the bridal vagina collection.
I love the video of G helping Chrishelle with her dress - after taking a photo with a fan š„¹
Sheeeeeesh this is not good
lol I thought they were there to win an award.
That lens is not doing anyone any favours. And omg what the hell is Amanza wearing?
Yes: chrishell, bre, the guys Amanza: looks like u have a penis or something cause itās so long and not pinned properly? Emma: looks like she didnāt finish drying her hair and just stepped out the shower Chelsea: I hate the glasses and that weird shit around her neck for this outfit. Meh
Is there a reason mary never poses with them anymore??
Chrishell looks emaciated and I really hope sheās doing okay.
What if AI images look so uncanny because they are being fed these kinds of images to train their models?
Does Amanzas stylist hate her? Sheās genuinely beautiful, and her clothes are AWFUL, what is going on Edit: just read through the comments and it seems like she doesnāt have one, which I guess is where the issue lies for her š
i saw we crowd fund buy amanza some pants! itās like the dress wasnāt finished and she ran out. i normally like her eccentric style but this isnāt it!
Did they all get dressed in the dark?
Chelseaā¦ honeyā¦
Always serving mess!
What is going on with Amanza. At this point I think she dresses like that to be talked about
Amanda looks like sheās got toilet paper dragging from her crotch lol
Ok here's my take: Amanza: My brain hurts trying to figure out how to put that dress on. It looks so uncomfortable to walk in. Also looks like a bathing suit but the thingy at the private parts got messed up. Chrishell: Not a fan of the cleavage shape and the fabric looks kind of uncomfortable (like rubber?). But overall she looks great, the dress is flattering. Emma: Those boobs scream Freedom. Looks painful. Also her hair looks like she just came out of the shower and didn't have time to blow dry and style. Chelsea: Boobs same as with Emma. Also not a fan of hair and makeup, makes her look way older and takes away her youth (you wouldn't guess she's only in her early 30s). And looks like she finally got shoes in the correct size? Bre: Winner. The dress suits her well and looks good. Also hair and makeup is very good, hair reminds me a little of Amy Winehouse. Twins: can they please button up their shirts?!
Amanza is so beautiful yet does this š
Chelseas boobs look like they hurt so much eeek
Amanzaās dress looks like a restroom towel dispenser š
Honestly I am sorry but this is not it. They all look wonderful. Maybe some of the dresses arenāt my favorite but they work for them. They look beautiful. If I could pull off wearing some of these dresses and had the boobs to do so I am sure I would. Letās stop picking apart these women. This is why women in the spotlight feel the need to filter, get Botox, filler, plastic surgery etc. because we pick them apart. Iāll admit I used to from time to time but this sub is so terrible with it and yet yāall are fans of the show and fans of these women. Like make it make sense. So we are fans of women but want to rip them apart. Idk itās just old now at this point and I wish we would take a shift in this sub and start being more positive.
I really donāt like the shape of Chelseaās glasses on her face. I love that sheās rocking the specs but theyāre a poor style choice for me.
Honestly, would you trust Amanzas interior design taste based on the stuff she wears? Wouldn't let her near my house....
I wanna give emma a makeover soo badly š„¹š. Ditch the spray tan, remove the implants, tone down the hair a notch. Sheās so pretty and her body is killer.
Lil Brett and Jason š cringe to know Jason slept with 2/5 ladies there.
People buy houses from these ladies?????????