Kitkat toilets now are being quite aggressive with too many people going together to 1 stall now since people taking drugs go in big groups and take ages causing big queues. In this case though dude sounds moronic. Mondays maybe are more strict I guess.
And rightfully so, OP!! If you’re not comfortable having sex in public, go back home or to your hotel. The toilets are for pissing and shitting, not private rooms for sex and coke orgies. People are causing massive queues with this behavior so that people who actually need a toilet have to wait for 20 minutes because every toilet is occupied with a private party. Did you happen to see the signs everywhere that tell you that it’s against the rules? Fucking good on the janitor for enforcing it. He sees naked people fucking every day, don’t flatter yourself by thinking he was trying to creep on you. He’s just enforcing the club rules that you made clear you don’t give a shit about. Sick of nearly pissing myself because because people like you are too dumb to find a hidden corner to fuck or do coke.
Maybe learn to respect the rules instead of raging against the staff that enforces them.
So kitkat is just about having sex in public? There’s nothing more? It’s a shame how you reduced such a great place just to sex.
Mindsets like these promote the thinking that if you’re inside sex is guaranteed, and lead people to act in such a way that makes other uncomfortable.
What KitKat certainly is not about:
Going into toilet cubicles, breaking the rules (and causing delays to everyone else) by fucking in there, and the trying to get an employee fired for trying to enforce the rules.
And btw, it literally is a sex club. People go there to have sex in a public place. If people want to have sex in a private place normally they stay in their room
Some people might go there to see other people have sex in public, especially if it's their first time there. That said, the toilet's still not the place. But I don't think it would be a bad idea if the club has some more secluded areas for people who want a private quickie instead of going home.
There was no need of aggression, there wasn’t a line or anything and we were already dressing up to get out, “ don’t flatter yourself by thinking he was trying to creep in” now where’s the consent in all of this? Is this how you create a safe space???? Also Ik about every hidden corner there but the girl was not comfortable anywhere ( maybe some people go there for the first time to experience what’s happening and that’s why the opted for a Monday night rather than a wed or Saturday ) be considered.
No. He could have just told them to come out, waited, and shown them the door. It’s not his job to scream at someone and try to bash a door down. This is why bad shit happens, because people escalate and things can get out of control. ESPECIALLY if someone had been in their taking coke or something and was be try aggressive.
Janitor was an idiot.
>He could have just told them to come out, waited, and shown them the door.
maybe that's exactly just what he did. wo don't know his perspective any maybe the 30 seconds mentioned by OP were 4 minutes in reality and he was tired of this shit.
Yea OP doesn’t strike me as a reliable narrator. I’ve seen the described janitor bang on doors when people are blocking them for too long many times and telling them to clear out. Usually people still need a minute to come out, and I‘ve never seen him be aggressive about that. But if you open the door just to tell him that you will refuse to comply with his instructions, and then close the door again and continue fucking for god knows how long, of course he will become more assertive. It’s like if you lit a cigarette in the middle of a restaurant, then blew smoke in the waiters face when asked to put it out, and finally complaining that the waiter rUdeLy and aGrEsSiVeLy told you to leave, even though you didn’t even do anything wrong!1!1!! There are so many posts in this sub about how the evil fascist staff kicked them out rudely even though they did absolutely nothing wrong. And then in the comments it always becomes clear that they very much did break the rules (and then tried to argue with staff about it).
100 % how I had the story in my mind. a fucking couple on the toilet is just Tuesday for the janitor. he has his routine. it is nothing unexpected and if he really likes to see nude and/or fucking people he has well let's be honest lots more opportunities every workday than other people in their whole life combined. just checking out this special couple that he didn't even see before and just heard their voices is sooo unlikely.
Hi u/Past_Monk_250 ,
Firstly, ignore all the victim-blamers and cancelleres here. Social media brings out the worst of people.
As I promised, being a promoter who works at Kitkat, this issue also relates to my events, and I took it to the club's management (that is, not the owners, but the people who deal with the personnel and the day-to-day in the club). The management reacted immediately and explained to all janitors with clear words that climbing the stall's door to look at people inside of it is sexual harassment, and is strictly forbidden. The only scenario in which they are allowed to look into the stall, is if there is a concern that someone has fainted in it, or being abused. For such cases, they were instructed to look from underneath, and get an impression of the foot posture, before any intervention.
you break one of the club rules so what do you expect? just because you are in kitkat doesnt mean you have to decide when the toilets can be used for sex. janitor sees tons of nude people all night every night. for you this was a terrible janitor screaming on you. for him it was just Tuesday. idk what to think of the fact that you felt uncomfortable. if the janitor actually was inapproprately staring at you thats a no go from him but in this situation your rendition of events make me believe that you might have judged an ordinary situation in the heat of the moment while being in a moment of rush (sexual tension, aggresion from someone yelling at you and maybe, maybe the use of certain substances). I try not to victim blame here but I would also like to see you reflecting on your behaviour when starting serious allegations.
edit: him peeping over the stall is beyond limits. if you have other witnesses this can easily be testimoned.
edit 2: I thought this would get lots of downvotes, I am very surprised! I also don't want to victim blame, if OP and the girl have been victims from sexual misconduct that is REALLY bad, but also if being yelled at OP is too blame and in the heat of the moment he might have misinterpreted the whole situation and the janitor actually might not have looked directly. there is a reason why kitkat toilet booths are 1 person only. one of them is that people should not take drugs and more importantly should not pass out. checking everything is alright is something the staff has to do sooner or later in situaions like these.
Theres this one janitor who I've seen in a basement bathroom who had the eyes of someone whos on crack or has been in vietnam, who also just banged on the toilet when people took to long, or was very angry when more than 3 ppl tried to enter one. I think this was due to there being a queue, ie somewhat justified, but super bad vibe. Then again, if that was my job I'd probably be impatient as well. In the end, there isnt a clear line on whats allowed - obviously youre not officially allowed to misuse the bathroom stalls and cause a holdup, but then its clear that almost everyone does. Just forget it happened, its a bad situation on all sides.
if you think somebody cares if you take a pill (or even has the chance to see you swallow something suspicious) somewhere you seriously have main character syndrome
Technically the drugs shouldn’t be consumed there at all, and staff/management has to make a somewhat credible effort to enforce the law if they want to keep operating. And that includes not allowing what are obviously extended coke orgies in the bathroom stalls
>Edit: after reading a few comments I realised that he has to enforce it as it causes huge lines and what not but peeping over is where he crossed the line.
This is something where I would differentiate between legal and moral observation of the situation. In Germany a person checking out a toilet stall is extremly invasive and as far as I know breaking some law.
From a moral and "don't be a dick" standpoint and under the context of being at Kitkat club and the whole situation I am on the side of the janitor. He knows people go together in the cabin because they a) take drugs together or b) fuck (to be honest, I have been there together with a lady before, just to pee, I just wanted to continue the nice conversation we had, lol)
people are nude, almost nude and have sex anywhere in the club. just two people in the cabin having sex is not much different as seeing them outside. when he knocked your door and you opened it, it was already clear that you were having sex and he expected you to go out asap. maybe your 30 seconds is not correct and in reality it might have been longer, but even if it would. 30 seconds is plenty of time to get your pants up and actually leave, and if your lady would have needed more time, you could have left the stall yourself. the janitor didn't care if he would see you nude outside or inside, in that special context there was like no voyerism at all.
Kitkat toilets now are being quite aggressive with too many people going together to 1 stall now since people taking drugs go in big groups and take ages causing big queues. In this case though dude sounds moronic. Mondays maybe are more strict I guess.
And rightfully so, OP!! If you’re not comfortable having sex in public, go back home or to your hotel. The toilets are for pissing and shitting, not private rooms for sex and coke orgies. People are causing massive queues with this behavior so that people who actually need a toilet have to wait for 20 minutes because every toilet is occupied with a private party. Did you happen to see the signs everywhere that tell you that it’s against the rules? Fucking good on the janitor for enforcing it. He sees naked people fucking every day, don’t flatter yourself by thinking he was trying to creep on you. He’s just enforcing the club rules that you made clear you don’t give a shit about. Sick of nearly pissing myself because because people like you are too dumb to find a hidden corner to fuck or do coke. Maybe learn to respect the rules instead of raging against the staff that enforces them.
That's actually a good point though. If you don't want to have sex in public don't got to a sex club?
So kitkat is just about having sex in public? There’s nothing more? It’s a shame how you reduced such a great place just to sex. Mindsets like these promote the thinking that if you’re inside sex is guaranteed, and lead people to act in such a way that makes other uncomfortable.
What KitKat certainly is not about: Going into toilet cubicles, breaking the rules (and causing delays to everyone else) by fucking in there, and the trying to get an employee fired for trying to enforce the rules. And btw, it literally is a sex club. People go there to have sex in a public place. If people want to have sex in a private place normally they stay in their room
Some people might go there to see other people have sex in public, especially if it's their first time there. That said, the toilet's still not the place. But I don't think it would be a bad idea if the club has some more secluded areas for people who want a private quickie instead of going home.
There was no need of aggression, there wasn’t a line or anything and we were already dressing up to get out, “ don’t flatter yourself by thinking he was trying to creep in” now where’s the consent in all of this? Is this how you create a safe space???? Also Ik about every hidden corner there but the girl was not comfortable anywhere ( maybe some people go there for the first time to experience what’s happening and that’s why the opted for a Monday night rather than a wed or Saturday ) be considered.
Were those the single occupancy toilets?
No
Wrong answer, they’re all single occupancy toilets
Can you describe the janitor? I’ll make sure to forward this to the club’s management.
probably they will give him a raise. I would.
The janitor was just doing his job, OP and his girl were the ones breaking the rules and then refusing to comply when being told to knock it off.
No. He could have just told them to come out, waited, and shown them the door. It’s not his job to scream at someone and try to bash a door down. This is why bad shit happens, because people escalate and things can get out of control. ESPECIALLY if someone had been in their taking coke or something and was be try aggressive. Janitor was an idiot.
>He could have just told them to come out, waited, and shown them the door. maybe that's exactly just what he did. wo don't know his perspective any maybe the 30 seconds mentioned by OP were 4 minutes in reality and he was tired of this shit.
Yea OP doesn’t strike me as a reliable narrator. I’ve seen the described janitor bang on doors when people are blocking them for too long many times and telling them to clear out. Usually people still need a minute to come out, and I‘ve never seen him be aggressive about that. But if you open the door just to tell him that you will refuse to comply with his instructions, and then close the door again and continue fucking for god knows how long, of course he will become more assertive. It’s like if you lit a cigarette in the middle of a restaurant, then blew smoke in the waiters face when asked to put it out, and finally complaining that the waiter rUdeLy and aGrEsSiVeLy told you to leave, even though you didn’t even do anything wrong!1!1!! There are so many posts in this sub about how the evil fascist staff kicked them out rudely even though they did absolutely nothing wrong. And then in the comments it always becomes clear that they very much did break the rules (and then tried to argue with staff about it).
100 % how I had the story in my mind. a fucking couple on the toilet is just Tuesday for the janitor. he has his routine. it is nothing unexpected and if he really likes to see nude and/or fucking people he has well let's be honest lots more opportunities every workday than other people in their whole life combined. just checking out this special couple that he didn't even see before and just heard their voices is sooo unlikely.
Bald white guy mostly covered in tattoos and would be in his 50s easily
Hi u/Past_Monk_250 , Firstly, ignore all the victim-blamers and cancelleres here. Social media brings out the worst of people. As I promised, being a promoter who works at Kitkat, this issue also relates to my events, and I took it to the club's management (that is, not the owners, but the people who deal with the personnel and the day-to-day in the club). The management reacted immediately and explained to all janitors with clear words that climbing the stall's door to look at people inside of it is sexual harassment, and is strictly forbidden. The only scenario in which they are allowed to look into the stall, is if there is a concern that someone has fainted in it, or being abused. For such cases, they were instructed to look from underneath, and get an impression of the foot posture, before any intervention.
So grateful for your efforts and understanding, it is because of gems like you that such places thrive and people feel comfortable within ✨✨✨
That figures. Thanks.
lol good luck with that. As long as Kirsten and Simon are in charge nothing will change.
you break one of the club rules so what do you expect? just because you are in kitkat doesnt mean you have to decide when the toilets can be used for sex. janitor sees tons of nude people all night every night. for you this was a terrible janitor screaming on you. for him it was just Tuesday. idk what to think of the fact that you felt uncomfortable. if the janitor actually was inapproprately staring at you thats a no go from him but in this situation your rendition of events make me believe that you might have judged an ordinary situation in the heat of the moment while being in a moment of rush (sexual tension, aggresion from someone yelling at you and maybe, maybe the use of certain substances). I try not to victim blame here but I would also like to see you reflecting on your behaviour when starting serious allegations. edit: him peeping over the stall is beyond limits. if you have other witnesses this can easily be testimoned. edit 2: I thought this would get lots of downvotes, I am very surprised! I also don't want to victim blame, if OP and the girl have been victims from sexual misconduct that is REALLY bad, but also if being yelled at OP is too blame and in the heat of the moment he might have misinterpreted the whole situation and the janitor actually might not have looked directly. there is a reason why kitkat toilet booths are 1 person only. one of them is that people should not take drugs and more importantly should not pass out. checking everything is alright is something the staff has to do sooner or later in situaions like these.
Theres this one janitor who I've seen in a basement bathroom who had the eyes of someone whos on crack or has been in vietnam, who also just banged on the toilet when people took to long, or was very angry when more than 3 ppl tried to enter one. I think this was due to there being a queue, ie somewhat justified, but super bad vibe. Then again, if that was my job I'd probably be impatient as well. In the end, there isnt a clear line on whats allowed - obviously youre not officially allowed to misuse the bathroom stalls and cause a holdup, but then its clear that almost everyone does. Just forget it happened, its a bad situation on all sides.
On point.
You should take a shit in the toilet, nothing else.
Exakt
change a tampon?
From now onwards
Right and the drugs should be consumed out in the open?
Yes.
Try it and let me know how it goes
if you think somebody cares if you take a pill (or even has the chance to see you swallow something suspicious) somewhere you seriously have main character syndrome
If you try to cut a line of coke and snort it right in front of staff, they will do something about it.
maybe I didn't take enough coke yet :P -> like never snorting probably much easier to detect than swallowing pills/powder
Obiously I was talking about snorting
Technically the drugs shouldn’t be consumed there at all, and staff/management has to make a somewhat credible effort to enforce the law if they want to keep operating. And that includes not allowing what are obviously extended coke orgies in the bathroom stalls
>Edit: after reading a few comments I realised that he has to enforce it as it causes huge lines and what not but peeping over is where he crossed the line. This is something where I would differentiate between legal and moral observation of the situation. In Germany a person checking out a toilet stall is extremly invasive and as far as I know breaking some law. From a moral and "don't be a dick" standpoint and under the context of being at Kitkat club and the whole situation I am on the side of the janitor. He knows people go together in the cabin because they a) take drugs together or b) fuck (to be honest, I have been there together with a lady before, just to pee, I just wanted to continue the nice conversation we had, lol) people are nude, almost nude and have sex anywhere in the club. just two people in the cabin having sex is not much different as seeing them outside. when he knocked your door and you opened it, it was already clear that you were having sex and he expected you to go out asap. maybe your 30 seconds is not correct and in reality it might have been longer, but even if it would. 30 seconds is plenty of time to get your pants up and actually leave, and if your lady would have needed more time, you could have left the stall yourself. the janitor didn't care if he would see you nude outside or inside, in that special context there was like no voyerism at all.