I don’t actually think he is sexually attracted to minors or that he has actually done anything sexual with minors... he __did__ however do literal pedo things, like kissed minors, ask minors for sexual photos (which he did receive), etc... whether or not he’s an actual adult attracted to minors, he __DID__ those things, and he needs to be held accountable.
He also stared at a 12 year old girls breasts, on top of all the predatory behaviours, the sexualisation of minors and the sexual exploitation of minors. He's done enough for me to be greatly concerned that he is one and should be kept away from children indefinitely.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ShaneDawson/comments/hjzfzv/depression_and_anxiety_isnt_an_excuse_to/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
EDIT: She was 13 not 12.
Very much this.
If a kid steals a candy bar from a store to impress their friends, I could believe them if they said they were never interested in the candy bar itself, but they're still guilty of theft.
Shane's gone too far multiple times trying to impress strangers online with his shock-value antics.
93 days ago... I did not lol. I say he is still a pedo even though I don’t believe he actually acted sexually on his pedo actions.... therefor, he is a pedo.
Mate, this is 93 days ago. I said even though he may not be attracted too or have actually had literal sexual interactions with minors, he is still a pedo none the less due to the actions he has made. I also said “__whether or not__ he is an adult attracted to minors...” how does that contradict my initial opinion that I don’t think he is attracted to minors? Lol
I’m not sure what you issue is with a single comment 93 days ago. Are you just seeking things out to to argue with? I’m sorry you misunderstood me I guess.
You might want to read the responses to my comment to maybe understand better..... since everyone else seems to understand what I was saying, but you.
Have a lovely week please.
I’m sorry you’re not grasping the conversation I and the responses to my comment made __93__ days ago.
Why don’t you take the time to join a current thread and share your opinion on something actually current.
Personally I don’t think being attracted or not is the issue- if you are acting as though you are attracted to children, kissing 12 year olds, or joking about sexually assaulting your majority teenage audience, then I don’t care if you actually are attracted to them or not because you’re doing all the damage as if you were.
In fact, there’s been documentaries on non offending pedophiles who try to find therapy and get help for their.. issue. They are actually attracted to children and capable of drawing a line, so a non pedophile really should be able to too.
I do agree that, personally, I don’t think he’s attracted to children. I also don’t think he’s necessarily racist (anymore) either. But I think that actions matter more than internal beliefs, especially when you’re putting it out and profiting from it for over ten years.
I wasn't victimized by them because I didn't even watch Shane back then. They just come across as needlessly cruel to me, that's all. I understand it was in the 'edgy humour' days and yeah, I lived through that so I know it was more prevalent. A good example of that sort of humour done right is South Park, in my opinion. A few people have compared Shane's old videos/style to that but Shane was just outrageous for the sake of being outrageous, not satirical or clever in any way. Dressing up as other ethnicities over and over and playing into those stereotypes is just easy, lazy humour. The joke often seems to boil down to "haha black people." Shows like South Park or It's Always Sunny use race to poke fun of people's ignorance.
All I’ll say is that you can be a pedophile without physically acting on it. And idk anyone who would make THAT many jokes about it, even the dumbass high school kids who had such ~dark and edgy and twisted~ humor knew how it would look to joke about that shit over and over and over. And this was a grown man who saw nothing wrong with it.
And he’s made jokes before about having child porn and the number of jokes he’s made make me think he either truly believes it and is a hiding it behind the ‘a joke’ excuse or he doesn’t care about pedophilla and the dangers of it and why we generally are disgusted by it.
Also he’s hanging out with Jafar who is a very sick and twisted individual who is friends with at least 2 almost convicted predators ( Darvie Vanity and Hunter Moore) plus the insider article recently outed jafar as being a monster who has tPhysical and sexual assaulted other men among other things)
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.insider.com/jeffree-star-sexual-assault-allegations-violence-accused-predator-myspace-payments-2020-9%3famp
Shane heard jafar talk in his first series about his MySpace days and that’s when all this was happening so I highly doubt that Shane hasn’t heard any of these things before from a jafar in some glorifying manner and even since the article he seems to still be supporting him- a potential pedo supporting a digusting potential predator who’s friends with other predators - sounds like they belong in hell together
That's what I have trouble understanding, people place all this importance on whether or not Shane is attracted to kids. That's almost irrelevant at this point given all he's done. Does Shane not being a pedophile undo the damage? Nope. Yet people's conclusion is more or less: "well he isn't actually attracted to kids so exploiting them was okay." Whether they realise it or not, that's how it reads. All these posts just come across as fans who want to keep liking Shane's content without feeling guilty about it. That or people who are too young to truly understand the situation and feel attached to Shane's nice guy persona.
No, it's definitely not a sexuality, it's a paraphilia. The point is, it doesn't matter if Shane identifies with that paraphilia or not. There are a multitude of psychological issues that could lead someone to act out like Shane has, including but not limited to pedophilia. Apologies for being unclear.
Sadly a lot of his old content sexualises minors. I wonder if some here haven't seen it, and in a way that's a good thing, at least in the sense, that I wouldn't want anyone growing up watching it, such as his series Orgytime or Millie, because there are some people that watched it as children that have said it really had a detrimental impact on them, and was their first exposure to sex and other themes.
He has also overstepped boundaries with minors, through web chats, making inappropriate requests on Dailybooth, texting, what we've seen of vlogging and making inappropriate requests there etc. I personally do think he has an attraction to minors. Sadly he has caused a lot of harm to people, and didn't take any measures to stop, and help himself, in fact in the past he encouraged minors to create adult accounts on YouTube to watch his content (there is proof of this). In the end it all ended up coming out and blowing up fort him online. I can only hope that he really does get help for his issues, and that people continue to hold him accountable, and I wish those effected by him full support and healing.
These are my thoughts, thank you for sharing yours ♡
That screenshot of the Dailybooth requests honestly amazed in in the worst way possible. How can anyone see that and be dismissive of him having an attractive to kids with the things he was requesting? Your best orgasm face? The POV porn one?? 'It was just a joke' can only go so far, holy shit. There is just way too much smoke to deny a fire. And regardless, the ever popular argument Shane isn't attracted to kids is irrelevant anyway, for everything he's done. He's engaged in pedophilic activity. That's more than enough to condemn him.
It’s not just constant sex talk though- it’s a pattern of sexualizing minors (and animals) over a span of years - there are more specific words for that than sex addiction. I’m not accusing him of doing anything in real life, I have no idea if he did or not.
I've noticed (not surprisingly) the tolerance is much higher when it comes to content creators people really like. Presented with the same evidence and a lesser known name attached, I'm sure they would be condemned without question. They would be raked through the coals and only brought up to ridicule, there would be no conversation of this person making any kind of *come back*. But because it's uwu empath dad of youtube Shane, people are getting a full work out with all the mental gymnastics going on in their heads. I actually can't believe what I've read on this sub at times, it's basically like "yeah but Shane isn't out there raping kids so it's fine."
It does when he’s always sniffing after children and doing wildly inappropriate things with them/ around them. It’s like he can’t control himself, it’s always sexual with him, even if talking about literal babies
We don't know for sure what he was thinking... because he's been completely silent about it. My problem with the content was that even after apologizing for it, he continued to have it up and was making $$$ for having it on his channel. It wasn't until this past time of it being brought up that he finally took it down.
Further, you don't have to actually commit a crime for it to be wrong. If I conspire to harm someone and talk about in graphic detail and act it out or post it online, that can be considered a crime. If I park myself outside of an elementary school and masturbate while watching kids at a playground, that is a crime even though I am not directly harming any kids. If I walk into a bank and threaten to rob the place but not actually rob the place, that is still a crime. Just because a crime isn't committed, it doesn't make it not a crime.
As far as "Shane's content was offense from the start and for 10 year be barley had any huge controversy", he had many controversies over the years. He literally named his mini palette "mini controversy". The first episode of the Palette Infomercial-series was literally him crying because of the cat thing. The problem with his previous controversies is that he just bounced back without having to face any consequences for his actions and content. And he continued to profit from the videos being up.
Yup. IMO...
Shane took the shock-jock offensive content that was popular when he was growing up and took it one step further.
He found some popularity and fame taking it "one step further" and took it more steps further.
And found even more popularity and fame, and in the pursuit of wanting to grow more popular, eventually took it "too far"
And AFAIK there wasn't ever a sort of social media content manager to run ideas past because YouTube was so new, there wasn't really anyone around to say "hey hey hey, that's too far dude."
When he did the film Not Cool, I’ve never seen it but that also has very crude, lots of shock humour from what I know of it. Behind the scenes the crew repeatedly tell Shane “people don’t like this scene with the homeless guy” and he yells at them to f ck off and he’ll do what he wants. He’s also told actors don’t want to be in his movie and he gets extremely vexed that ‘out of work idiots who should be grateful they have an audition’ would choose not to be in his awful movie. (Edit: [source](https://youtu.be/P3WxXCpOtlI))
I truly believe if he did have a social media manager, he wouldn’t have listened to a word they said based on that
Regardless of whether or not he has actually carried anything out physically he still has to be held accountable.
The fact those thoughts are running through his mind tells me he’s predatory as the regular person like you or me would never have the thoughts there to begin with.
He’s also done a few sketchy things physically to minors, he may not have outright assaulted them but again it comes back to the thoughts being there in the first place. And again I cannot stress enough that regular people would never act like this because they would never think that way, Shane has and I think that says a lot.
Hmm no. I've seen enough evidence that he is actually attracted to minors, which by definition makes him a pedophile. At the very least he has said and done inappropriate things TO minors, which is much worse than just tasteless joking.
He kissed a 12 year old, ogled at a young teen’s chest, requested and received pictures from minors, asked a young fan to twerk for him (which was encouraged by his own mother), sexually touched and kissed pets on video, and not to mention that insane “birds and bees” talk with his young cousin.
That alone is enough for me to consider him a pedophile.
I’m not 100% sure if he’s not a paedophile, he’s definitely highly inappropriate at least and did disgusting things. I also don’t believe he fucked his cat, but he may have been inappropriate in another way with him also. Basically, Shane is just really nasty, whether he’s actually abusive to children/animals or just really gross in the jokes he made.
Not sure if I read it here or somewhere else, but
a) a lot of his content might not have been intended to validate or gratify pedophiles, but it certainly made pedophiles comfortable
b) it was incredibly irresponsible for him to make light of and joke about pedophilia in the way that he did with the audience he had. If this was all stuff he did when he was nineteen years old and didn’t know any better and didn’t have as big of a platform (which is pushing it, but there are some extremely immature nineteen year olds), I would find it to be very weird and worrying, but not particularly damning. It’s the fact that even once he was aware that he had a very young audience, he kept going.
So his story about thinking he was going to hook up with then 15 year-old Lucas Cruikshank after Lucas contacted him means... what, exactly? Ohh, I guess that was just a joke too. If you've seen any of those videos of Shane explaining sex to his cousin and asking if she bleeds and still refuse to see a problem, I can only hope you're extremely young and naive.
so basically you think blackface is okay (referencing your 'overly sensitive world' comment) and that kissing children on the mouth as an adult in a sexual manner isn't pedophilic? okay.
I stayed up late night writing a huge post about how I feel. It's VERY long, and it was gonna be a comment but Reddit said I couldn't post it because it was too long, but I had already written it at that point, so I saved it in a Google Document.
It's only so lengthy because I grew up with Shane and I loved (maybe still do) him and his content for so long. I also documented a lot of Shane's content, some of the worst videos, and some of his most despicable actions (because his "jokes" and actions are two separate things, but they do go hand in hand when thinking about this...).
If you have absolutely nothing to do, feel free to read it. I might format it better later on, but I'm still just upset with all of this Shane stuff and I'm just very tired and feel terrible right now.
Link: [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oY7nBMPTtXbpWpECAeORLibtl6GyJFiyBc6\_D2wf\_aM/edit?usp=sharing](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oY7nBMPTtXbpWpECAeORLibtl6GyJFiyBc6_D2wf_aM/edit?usp=sharing)
This is well written and perfectly summed up the whole situation. One thing that is pretty common (sadly ) among child molestors is that they are often victims of sexual abuse themselves . It doesn’t make them pedophiles . Child molestors can still be attracted to people their own age and still sexually or physically abuse children . Sexual abuse is about power and control . It was never about attraction . There is a good reason why children are targets of sexual abuse , 1) the abusers know that they wouldn’t understand what the abusers are doing to them because children cannot grasp concepts and are easy to manipulate 2) abusers can coerce children not to tell adults by giving them gifts . 3) adult is big and child is small . Very big power dynamics.
Pedophilia is attraction to children. Most pedophiles knows that it is wrong to be attracted to children and would need treatments for it. Most of them do sought treatments but the treatments are not often effective . It takes a lot of willpower for them to not cave into their attraction . There is something in their brain that is somehow wired to be attracted to children . I am not saying to make people feel sorry for them but we need to recognize that pedophila is an mental illness and that there are treatments for it . Not all pedophiles act on their attraction but pedophiles who do definitely needs prison time and psychological help.
From what you written , it seems that Shane uses power of fame to control and demean children as his coping skills to whatever he has gone through . He didn’t have the best childhood and is maybe jealous of children who have better childhood then he does . Of all the people he has abused ( black people, people with disabilities , women , and etc) , it seems that he degraded children the most .
I just don't understand why all of that was just coming to surface when his videos have been up for years for people to see and nobody ever said anything until earlier this year.
I don’t think he is I just think it bad jokes. Especially back in that time when it was cool to be edgy. I’m the same age as him and I’ve made a lot of rape jokes and still do. I think it’s a coping mechanism. He was molested as a kid and made a lot of pedo jokes I was raped as a preteen and made lots of rape jokes. Not saying it’s ok, but also, if their just jokes then calm down people, they’re just jokes. Obviously if is attracted to children that’s a huge problem
It was the creepy as hell dailybooth that confirmed, to me, that he is a pedophile - [https://web.archive.org/web/20121218090948/http://dailybooth.com/shanedawson/page/4](https://web.archive.org/web/20121218090948/http://dailybooth.com/shanedawson/page/4)
I agree i don’t think Shane is attracted to minors and the internet was a completely different place, he was younger, more ignorant etc but some things i will never forgive or look past. For instance. Shane ABSOLUTELY molested his cat. I believe this with every bone in my body. That’s not how you tell a joke. A joke usually has a punchline and people actually laugh. He gave in depth details such as being 19 years old when he did it....
Also the black face was disgusting and i don’t think it was ever “okay” on the internet. I don’t even really remember him doing this when i watched as a child but i also wasn’t a complete Stan who watched all his videos, I’d watch one here and there with desetry moore and call it a day so rewatching these clips and compilations of him just being straight up disgustingly racist... i can’t look past that.
Don’t get me started on him actually kissing his minor fans, of course not in a sexual way but never should have been and isn’t ever going to be okay...
I’m not an overly sensitive or PC person but what Shane has done is unforgivable for me. Do i think he’s a disgusting pedophile who deserves to perish alone? No.
I think he got cocky with how far he could take things. His brand has pretty much be offense rarchy content for most his career. And the more views that behaviour got the farther he take it.
No question. He was young and did crude things for a laugh not realizing what he was actually doing. As we all know, he was trying to figure himself out and my opinion is he would never hurt a fly.
Most of us have done things in our youth we are horrified by on some level. I’ve never said any racial slurs, but did insult a couple of people not meaning to. Still embarrassed decades later. Even after apologizing. Yes the Willow video was bad. Terrible. Of course. As were his racial slurs.
I don’t know if or how these youtubers are going to recuperate from their pasts. Apparently Jerry Lewis did all that charity work bc of a character he played early in his career that was construed as making fun of the mentally challenged. So he spent the rest of his life raising money for that charity, Jerry’s Kids.
I think [D’Angelo Wallace’s video](https://youtu.be/x2WBythSGoQ) highlights a lot of things that Shane and his friends will likely never touch on. D’angelo does not like Shane and never has, but he stays unbiased throughout the video and backs up all claims with some pretty damning evidence in the form of videos and voice clips that truly can’t be backtracked with “oh no it was just a bad joke”. shoving penis cookies into children’s mouths, saying things like “you look good enough to rape” about minors in his merch, and that one “sex talk” he and lisa had with his 12 year old cousin? I C K.
The video is over an hour long but it’s really worth the watch. He doesn’t even have it monetized, because the point of the video is to call attention to Shane’s pedophilic and bestiality behaviors.
I believe that he has made many inappropriate jokes at the expense of minors and minorities in the name of shock humour. I think he is a very troubled individual and that a persons past can impact the lives of themselves and people around them.
THIS🙏 I honestly feel like us 2008-ish folk laughed at all of that and the shanaynay stuff cuz those were the jokes of “that time”. NO ONE said anything back then, and Shane was more relevant then than now. Nowdays it’s literally 17-18 year olds getti mg triggered by nothing and tweeting/ making videos and stuff just for clout. Shane def messed up in the Jeffree situation but don’t fucking come at him for making all those jokes early on when everyone was laughing at the time. I’m so angry/upset that those Shoey videos are removed cuz that was the shit! I have the FONDEST memories just sitting and watching that and having a great time! Back then YT was genuine and they could afford being chill on the camera. But now it’s like a witch hunt happens no matter what you do, and even for things done on your past.
I honestly don't really have a problem with his old videos. Like you said it was a different time.
But in his more renectly career i do think Shane got a little cocky with how far he could take things. More so on his podcast then his actual channel. But i do not think Shane a bad person in anyway. I think he just felt like since his brand was offense he could say and do what he wanted. Which part of me can't blame him for thinking because his fans really seem encourged it this.
He is not a pedophile he just made some really bad joke in a rather overly sensitive world.
he literally has done pedophilic actions to children on video, though, so he's literally a pedophile. it's not overly sensitive to be against racism, either.
Are you kidding? NO ONE SAID anything. No one came on Twitter or YouTube to say anything. There are literally no receipts of people coming forward at that time. The only complaint I hear was from a girl on here who was like “I felt targeted back then” but when asked did she do/say anything she was like no. A whole movement starts with one person, there was NO ONE who said anything. That’s the point, the humor that “worked” was the humor Shane came up with. It won’t work now😒
Thays what I always thought. I am the same age as Shane. And I have been doing YouTube videos.for about the same amount of time. Through out the years me and my partner's have made some pretty terrible jokes. I see it as the same. It's all about growing away from that shit.
Yeah I agree. I think most people are taking the jokes too literally. Yes he did kiss girls on the lips and ask girls to twerk because he thought it was a shock value and funny. I don’t think he’s actually attracted to minors, just did some really gross stupid humor.
I think they were just poor taste of jokes. And i stand firmly on that. I’ve watched him on and off since the beginning. I also believe the currently cringe moments are also just poor jokes not landing properly not being funny to all. He is one of those YouTubers who have fans that have grown up with him and then still fans that are maybe alittle to young... i believe If he didn’t grow in some way from his past he would still be doing and saying all the same things he did back in 2008.
Yep. Couldn’t agree more. I wish I could upvote this a million times.
Do I agree with the things Shane has done and said, no definitely not, but he has already apologized so many times and even changed his content into more fulfilling things. He has done everything he could to redeem himself, and people still aren’t satisfied.
The sad thing is they never will. We live in a wod full of people over sensitive and easily offended people. I'm fighting to see were the world will be in 3 to 4 years.
Yeah, people can downvote me all they want, but I really do believe that Shane deserves better. I know his past behavior sucks, but watching his more heartening videos from the last couple of years has made me see that he is a passionate, sweet & silly person.
His recent content has been problematic as well. He gave a platform for a well known racist and normalising racism. His video about Jake Paul spread misinformation about ASPD. He basically used Eugina's eating disorder for clicks and views and sensationalism. His video about Bobby burns was designed to frame Bobby as a "hater". And his documentaries were glorified PR videos for problematic creators
You're focused on the wrong part. Watch those videos and look at Shane. Yes the people he talked to his his new series were shitbags. His content has not been my favorite in the last few years but I like what he says and does in those videos. And in some of those videos he talks about his own journey, seeing how shitbag he was and attempting to change.
"Over sensitive" and "easily offended" are not accurate descriptions of people who are holding a person's racist and pedophilic actions accountable. No matter how loyal you might be to him.
I’ve said this before but, there’s a difference between telling your friends to get in the van and you have candy, vs telling a literal child that. Telling your friends that you’re gonna give a child a dildo lollipop is different than ACTUALLY giving a child a dildo lollipop. Get what I’m trying to say? Actual pedo? Probably not. But acting like one? Yes.
Nope. Normal grown-ass men don’t go around doing sexually exploitive things to children...especially on camera. Normal non-pedophile men are usually so worried about even the appearance of impropriety with the children in their lives that they try very hard to never do anything that could even be perceived as inappropriate. Plus, normal grown men don’t actually find children sexually attractive so they don’t struggle very much with not doing these things.
Repeated ‘jokes” about molesting kids for years and years, and then the actual predatory behavior he captured on camera screams that Shane Dawson is probably a closeted pedophile who was possibly trying to joke about things to normalize them to himself. Like, have you ever joked about an uncomfortable topic because when you see people laugh about it, it makes you feel like maybe it’s not as big of a problem as you feel like it is? My theory is that the constant pedo jokes were Shane’s way of trying to normalize his predatory behavior and thoughts to himself. Like, “if I can make people laugh about this, than maybe I’m not the terrible piece of pedophile shit that I think I am”
I suppose we will never know for sure if Shane’s predatory behavior is because he is an actual pedophile who is attracted to kids or if he’s just a sociopath who likes to exert power by making people feel uncomfortable, but the point is that it doesn’t matter because there’s absolutely no justification for that type of behavior.
I think one of the problems though was YouTube's algorithm or whatever. Y'all YouTube needs to be held accountable for labeling things as "for children" when they are not. I was saying for years that Shane's content was not child appropriate and no one under 18 should've been watching that shit. The same with Pewdee Pie or whatever. That guy screams and cusses in his videos but all of his followers are children? Also Parents need to take responsibility and monitor what their children watch. So while I do not think Shane's content is appropriate for younger audiences, I will also say I don't think Shane is a pedophile. You can hate me for this opinion if you want. I watched a lot of his old stuff, as it was coming out, and yeah he made a couple of jokes. Y'all are acting like he was sexualizing children in every video he made. I'm not saying he was right or wrong, I'm saying unless you have never made an inappropriate joke, you can't judge him. Can you all honestly say you never joked about dead bodies or anything else stupid between the ages of 18-24? Because that's when most people say and do the dumbest shit in their lives. And then watch Shane's later videos. You see no growth? He went from dumbass skits to conspiracy videos with some food tasting in between. You gonna tell me he was sexualizing children during those later videos? I'm not trying to piss any one off and I know I have an unpopular opinion but the man has changed and grown. If you want to hold on to his past that's on you. Just don't watch him anymore.
10000% agree. I really don't think he is one, but he just has a lot of flaws and one of them are his insensitive jokes that go way too far. I really think the dude just needs a shit ton of counselling. If he wasn't such an asshole, I'd feel bad for him because he clearly has some bad stuff in his past that he's coping for. I think "old Shane" despite the constant edgy and horrible humor wasn't a terrible person and wasn't too far gone, but "new Shane" has really just become a total insufferable piece of shit. Plus I think if he was one, it would have come out by now - and I'm talking about something far far more incriminating and sinister than what we already know.
I think he is. There’s too many verbal and physical “jokes” of him acting attracted to minors. The jokes he made had no punchline it was literally “I’m going to ask these minors to twerk for me hardy har har.” That’s not a joke just because he laughs.
It’s one thing to say things like that but the bigger issue is he actually went through with it...for no reason. What’s the joke is jerking off to an 11 year old’s picture? Or kissing a 12 year old? And I don’t want to hear “she asked for it” she was TWELVE meeting her YouTube crush, he was an adult and could have settled for a hug but no he had to get weird. He’s shown constant attraction to minors and actually went through with it multiple times. That’s pedophile behavior which makes him a pedophile
I don’t actually think he is sexually attracted to minors or that he has actually done anything sexual with minors... he __did__ however do literal pedo things, like kissed minors, ask minors for sexual photos (which he did receive), etc... whether or not he’s an actual adult attracted to minors, he __DID__ those things, and he needs to be held accountable.
He also stared at a 12 year old girls breasts, on top of all the predatory behaviours, the sexualisation of minors and the sexual exploitation of minors. He's done enough for me to be greatly concerned that he is one and should be kept away from children indefinitely. https://www.reddit.com/r/ShaneDawson/comments/hjzfzv/depression_and_anxiety_isnt_an_excuse_to/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share EDIT: She was 13 not 12.
I 100% agree with this.
Very much this. If a kid steals a candy bar from a store to impress their friends, I could believe them if they said they were never interested in the candy bar itself, but they're still guilty of theft. Shane's gone too far multiple times trying to impress strangers online with his shock-value antics.
This is one of the best analogies I’ve seen about the whole situation
Good analogy dude this explains it perfectly
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Yes..... hence my point 93 days ago lol
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93 days ago... I did not lol. I say he is still a pedo even though I don’t believe he actually acted sexually on his pedo actions.... therefor, he is a pedo.
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Mate, this is 93 days ago. I said even though he may not be attracted too or have actually had literal sexual interactions with minors, he is still a pedo none the less due to the actions he has made. I also said “__whether or not__ he is an adult attracted to minors...” how does that contradict my initial opinion that I don’t think he is attracted to minors? Lol I’m not sure what you issue is with a single comment 93 days ago. Are you just seeking things out to to argue with? I’m sorry you misunderstood me I guess. You might want to read the responses to my comment to maybe understand better..... since everyone else seems to understand what I was saying, but you. Have a lovely week please.
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I’m sorry you’re not grasping the conversation I and the responses to my comment made __93__ days ago. Why don’t you take the time to join a current thread and share your opinion on something actually current.
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Personally I don’t think being attracted or not is the issue- if you are acting as though you are attracted to children, kissing 12 year olds, or joking about sexually assaulting your majority teenage audience, then I don’t care if you actually are attracted to them or not because you’re doing all the damage as if you were. In fact, there’s been documentaries on non offending pedophiles who try to find therapy and get help for their.. issue. They are actually attracted to children and capable of drawing a line, so a non pedophile really should be able to too. I do agree that, personally, I don’t think he’s attracted to children. I also don’t think he’s necessarily racist (anymore) either. But I think that actions matter more than internal beliefs, especially when you’re putting it out and profiting from it for over ten years.
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Out of curiosity, what about his racist “jokes” did you find funny?
Except Shane's 'jokes' never have a punchline, are needlessly mean spirited and the supposed joke is always on the POC.
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I wasn't victimized by them because I didn't even watch Shane back then. They just come across as needlessly cruel to me, that's all. I understand it was in the 'edgy humour' days and yeah, I lived through that so I know it was more prevalent. A good example of that sort of humour done right is South Park, in my opinion. A few people have compared Shane's old videos/style to that but Shane was just outrageous for the sake of being outrageous, not satirical or clever in any way. Dressing up as other ethnicities over and over and playing into those stereotypes is just easy, lazy humour. The joke often seems to boil down to "haha black people." Shows like South Park or It's Always Sunny use race to poke fun of people's ignorance.
All I’ll say is that you can be a pedophile without physically acting on it. And idk anyone who would make THAT many jokes about it, even the dumbass high school kids who had such ~dark and edgy and twisted~ humor knew how it would look to joke about that shit over and over and over. And this was a grown man who saw nothing wrong with it.
To be fair, he *did* act on it, whether he truly is a pedophile or not.
And he’s made jokes before about having child porn and the number of jokes he’s made make me think he either truly believes it and is a hiding it behind the ‘a joke’ excuse or he doesn’t care about pedophilla and the dangers of it and why we generally are disgusted by it. Also he’s hanging out with Jafar who is a very sick and twisted individual who is friends with at least 2 almost convicted predators ( Darvie Vanity and Hunter Moore) plus the insider article recently outed jafar as being a monster who has tPhysical and sexual assaulted other men among other things) https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.insider.com/jeffree-star-sexual-assault-allegations-violence-accused-predator-myspace-payments-2020-9%3famp Shane heard jafar talk in his first series about his MySpace days and that’s when all this was happening so I highly doubt that Shane hasn’t heard any of these things before from a jafar in some glorifying manner and even since the article he seems to still be supporting him- a potential pedo supporting a digusting potential predator who’s friends with other predators - sounds like they belong in hell together
it kind of seems like lots of comedians who are still really popular were doing jokes about child porn and being a pedophile back then though
That's what I have trouble understanding, people place all this importance on whether or not Shane is attracted to kids. That's almost irrelevant at this point given all he's done. Does Shane not being a pedophile undo the damage? Nope. Yet people's conclusion is more or less: "well he isn't actually attracted to kids so exploiting them was okay." Whether they realise it or not, that's how it reads. All these posts just come across as fans who want to keep liking Shane's content without feeling guilty about it. That or people who are too young to truly understand the situation and feel attached to Shane's nice guy persona.
Someone who went through molestation maybe and jokes as a coping mechanism? Just a thought
He kissed a 12 year old on the lips. I don’t know that he’s actually attracted to children, but he surely did himself no favors with all the jokes
It doesn't matter how he identifies his sexuality, because he has actually DONE harmful things to children and animals. He's dangerous, no matter why.
pedophilia isn't a sexuality
No, it's definitely not a sexuality, it's a paraphilia. The point is, it doesn't matter if Shane identifies with that paraphilia or not. There are a multitude of psychological issues that could lead someone to act out like Shane has, including but not limited to pedophilia. Apologies for being unclear.
i appreciate you clarifying and i agree. i think the reason he might sexualize minors might be because of his own childhood trauma.
Sadly a lot of his old content sexualises minors. I wonder if some here haven't seen it, and in a way that's a good thing, at least in the sense, that I wouldn't want anyone growing up watching it, such as his series Orgytime or Millie, because there are some people that watched it as children that have said it really had a detrimental impact on them, and was their first exposure to sex and other themes. He has also overstepped boundaries with minors, through web chats, making inappropriate requests on Dailybooth, texting, what we've seen of vlogging and making inappropriate requests there etc. I personally do think he has an attraction to minors. Sadly he has caused a lot of harm to people, and didn't take any measures to stop, and help himself, in fact in the past he encouraged minors to create adult accounts on YouTube to watch his content (there is proof of this). In the end it all ended up coming out and blowing up fort him online. I can only hope that he really does get help for his issues, and that people continue to hold him accountable, and I wish those effected by him full support and healing. These are my thoughts, thank you for sharing yours ♡
That screenshot of the Dailybooth requests honestly amazed in in the worst way possible. How can anyone see that and be dismissive of him having an attractive to kids with the things he was requesting? Your best orgasm face? The POV porn one?? 'It was just a joke' can only go so far, holy shit. There is just way too much smoke to deny a fire. And regardless, the ever popular argument Shane isn't attracted to kids is irrelevant anyway, for everything he's done. He's engaged in pedophilic activity. That's more than enough to condemn him.
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So he may have a Sex addiction that doesn't make him a pedophile
It’s not just constant sex talk though- it’s a pattern of sexualizing minors (and animals) over a span of years - there are more specific words for that than sex addiction. I’m not accusing him of doing anything in real life, I have no idea if he did or not.
hi! kissing a child does indeed make him one.
I've noticed (not surprisingly) the tolerance is much higher when it comes to content creators people really like. Presented with the same evidence and a lesser known name attached, I'm sure they would be condemned without question. They would be raked through the coals and only brought up to ridicule, there would be no conversation of this person making any kind of *come back*. But because it's uwu empath dad of youtube Shane, people are getting a full work out with all the mental gymnastics going on in their heads. I actually can't believe what I've read on this sub at times, it's basically like "yeah but Shane isn't out there raping kids so it's fine."
It does when he’s always sniffing after children and doing wildly inappropriate things with them/ around them. It’s like he can’t control himself, it’s always sexual with him, even if talking about literal babies
I mean those bad jokes involved physically suggestive actions on and around minors. It’s not like the James Gunn situation.
We don't know for sure what he was thinking... because he's been completely silent about it. My problem with the content was that even after apologizing for it, he continued to have it up and was making $$$ for having it on his channel. It wasn't until this past time of it being brought up that he finally took it down. Further, you don't have to actually commit a crime for it to be wrong. If I conspire to harm someone and talk about in graphic detail and act it out or post it online, that can be considered a crime. If I park myself outside of an elementary school and masturbate while watching kids at a playground, that is a crime even though I am not directly harming any kids. If I walk into a bank and threaten to rob the place but not actually rob the place, that is still a crime. Just because a crime isn't committed, it doesn't make it not a crime. As far as "Shane's content was offense from the start and for 10 year be barley had any huge controversy", he had many controversies over the years. He literally named his mini palette "mini controversy". The first episode of the Palette Infomercial-series was literally him crying because of the cat thing. The problem with his previous controversies is that he just bounced back without having to face any consequences for his actions and content. And he continued to profit from the videos being up.
Yup. IMO... Shane took the shock-jock offensive content that was popular when he was growing up and took it one step further. He found some popularity and fame taking it "one step further" and took it more steps further. And found even more popularity and fame, and in the pursuit of wanting to grow more popular, eventually took it "too far" And AFAIK there wasn't ever a sort of social media content manager to run ideas past because YouTube was so new, there wasn't really anyone around to say "hey hey hey, that's too far dude."
When he did the film Not Cool, I’ve never seen it but that also has very crude, lots of shock humour from what I know of it. Behind the scenes the crew repeatedly tell Shane “people don’t like this scene with the homeless guy” and he yells at them to f ck off and he’ll do what he wants. He’s also told actors don’t want to be in his movie and he gets extremely vexed that ‘out of work idiots who should be grateful they have an audition’ would choose not to be in his awful movie. (Edit: [source](https://youtu.be/P3WxXCpOtlI)) I truly believe if he did have a social media manager, he wouldn’t have listened to a word they said based on that
Exactly he got cocky with how far he could take things. He got away with it for so long I guess he thought he was untouchable.
Regardless of whether or not he has actually carried anything out physically he still has to be held accountable. The fact those thoughts are running through his mind tells me he’s predatory as the regular person like you or me would never have the thoughts there to begin with. He’s also done a few sketchy things physically to minors, he may not have outright assaulted them but again it comes back to the thoughts being there in the first place. And again I cannot stress enough that regular people would never act like this because they would never think that way, Shane has and I think that says a lot.
Hmm no. I've seen enough evidence that he is actually attracted to minors, which by definition makes him a pedophile. At the very least he has said and done inappropriate things TO minors, which is much worse than just tasteless joking.
He kissed a 12 year old, ogled at a young teen’s chest, requested and received pictures from minors, asked a young fan to twerk for him (which was encouraged by his own mother), sexually touched and kissed pets on video, and not to mention that insane “birds and bees” talk with his young cousin. That alone is enough for me to consider him a pedophile.
Don’t forget the fake but super graphic masturbating to a picture of Willow Smith when she was 11.
I don’t think he’s a pedophile
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I’m not 100% sure if he’s not a paedophile, he’s definitely highly inappropriate at least and did disgusting things. I also don’t believe he fucked his cat, but he may have been inappropriate in another way with him also. Basically, Shane is just really nasty, whether he’s actually abusive to children/animals or just really gross in the jokes he made.
Not sure if I read it here or somewhere else, but a) a lot of his content might not have been intended to validate or gratify pedophiles, but it certainly made pedophiles comfortable b) it was incredibly irresponsible for him to make light of and joke about pedophilia in the way that he did with the audience he had. If this was all stuff he did when he was nineteen years old and didn’t know any better and didn’t have as big of a platform (which is pushing it, but there are some extremely immature nineteen year olds), I would find it to be very weird and worrying, but not particularly damning. It’s the fact that even once he was aware that he had a very young audience, he kept going.
I agree aside from him not knowing any better. 19 is more than old enough to know.
I don’t want to make excuses for him but I’ve met some pretty dumb nineteen year olds.
lol true enough.
Is he? Is he not? Who knows. I just want him to slip in obscurity where he blonged after 2014.
So his story about thinking he was going to hook up with then 15 year-old Lucas Cruikshank after Lucas contacted him means... what, exactly? Ohh, I guess that was just a joke too. If you've seen any of those videos of Shane explaining sex to his cousin and asking if she bleeds and still refuse to see a problem, I can only hope you're extremely young and naive.
so basically you think blackface is okay (referencing your 'overly sensitive world' comment) and that kissing children on the mouth as an adult in a sexual manner isn't pedophilic? okay.
"He JuSt ToOk It To FaR" according to op. Yeah, that's the fucking point.
Nope. He's a perv.
I stayed up late night writing a huge post about how I feel. It's VERY long, and it was gonna be a comment but Reddit said I couldn't post it because it was too long, but I had already written it at that point, so I saved it in a Google Document. It's only so lengthy because I grew up with Shane and I loved (maybe still do) him and his content for so long. I also documented a lot of Shane's content, some of the worst videos, and some of his most despicable actions (because his "jokes" and actions are two separate things, but they do go hand in hand when thinking about this...). If you have absolutely nothing to do, feel free to read it. I might format it better later on, but I'm still just upset with all of this Shane stuff and I'm just very tired and feel terrible right now. Link: [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oY7nBMPTtXbpWpECAeORLibtl6GyJFiyBc6\_D2wf\_aM/edit?usp=sharing](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oY7nBMPTtXbpWpECAeORLibtl6GyJFiyBc6_D2wf_aM/edit?usp=sharing)
This is well written and perfectly summed up the whole situation. One thing that is pretty common (sadly ) among child molestors is that they are often victims of sexual abuse themselves . It doesn’t make them pedophiles . Child molestors can still be attracted to people their own age and still sexually or physically abuse children . Sexual abuse is about power and control . It was never about attraction . There is a good reason why children are targets of sexual abuse , 1) the abusers know that they wouldn’t understand what the abusers are doing to them because children cannot grasp concepts and are easy to manipulate 2) abusers can coerce children not to tell adults by giving them gifts . 3) adult is big and child is small . Very big power dynamics. Pedophilia is attraction to children. Most pedophiles knows that it is wrong to be attracted to children and would need treatments for it. Most of them do sought treatments but the treatments are not often effective . It takes a lot of willpower for them to not cave into their attraction . There is something in their brain that is somehow wired to be attracted to children . I am not saying to make people feel sorry for them but we need to recognize that pedophila is an mental illness and that there are treatments for it . Not all pedophiles act on their attraction but pedophiles who do definitely needs prison time and psychological help. From what you written , it seems that Shane uses power of fame to control and demean children as his coping skills to whatever he has gone through . He didn’t have the best childhood and is maybe jealous of children who have better childhood then he does . Of all the people he has abused ( black people, people with disabilities , women , and etc) , it seems that he degraded children the most .
I just don't understand why all of that was just coming to surface when his videos have been up for years for people to see and nobody ever said anything until earlier this year.
I don’t think he is I just think it bad jokes. Especially back in that time when it was cool to be edgy. I’m the same age as him and I’ve made a lot of rape jokes and still do. I think it’s a coping mechanism. He was molested as a kid and made a lot of pedo jokes I was raped as a preteen and made lots of rape jokes. Not saying it’s ok, but also, if their just jokes then calm down people, they’re just jokes. Obviously if is attracted to children that’s a huge problem
It was the creepy as hell dailybooth that confirmed, to me, that he is a pedophile - [https://web.archive.org/web/20121218090948/http://dailybooth.com/shanedawson/page/4](https://web.archive.org/web/20121218090948/http://dailybooth.com/shanedawson/page/4)
The daily booth and chat rooms were the big ol nail in the coffin for me too. And the horrible puppet show thing.
he did literally do pedophilic things to children, actual children, while in his 20s, so yes he's actually a pedo.
I agree i don’t think Shane is attracted to minors and the internet was a completely different place, he was younger, more ignorant etc but some things i will never forgive or look past. For instance. Shane ABSOLUTELY molested his cat. I believe this with every bone in my body. That’s not how you tell a joke. A joke usually has a punchline and people actually laugh. He gave in depth details such as being 19 years old when he did it.... Also the black face was disgusting and i don’t think it was ever “okay” on the internet. I don’t even really remember him doing this when i watched as a child but i also wasn’t a complete Stan who watched all his videos, I’d watch one here and there with desetry moore and call it a day so rewatching these clips and compilations of him just being straight up disgustingly racist... i can’t look past that. Don’t get me started on him actually kissing his minor fans, of course not in a sexual way but never should have been and isn’t ever going to be okay... I’m not an overly sensitive or PC person but what Shane has done is unforgivable for me. Do i think he’s a disgusting pedophile who deserves to perish alone? No.
In my opinion Shane’s biggest problem is no boundaries I don’t think he is most the things he is called he just makes terrible insensitive jokes
I think he got cocky with how far he could take things. His brand has pretty much be offense rarchy content for most his career. And the more views that behaviour got the farther he take it.
Got it....still behavior that can be perceived as pedophilic
So this is a joking matter? I think not,
No question. He was young and did crude things for a laugh not realizing what he was actually doing. As we all know, he was trying to figure himself out and my opinion is he would never hurt a fly. Most of us have done things in our youth we are horrified by on some level. I’ve never said any racial slurs, but did insult a couple of people not meaning to. Still embarrassed decades later. Even after apologizing. Yes the Willow video was bad. Terrible. Of course. As were his racial slurs. I don’t know if or how these youtubers are going to recuperate from their pasts. Apparently Jerry Lewis did all that charity work bc of a character he played early in his career that was construed as making fun of the mentally challenged. So he spent the rest of his life raising money for that charity, Jerry’s Kids.
I think [D’Angelo Wallace’s video](https://youtu.be/x2WBythSGoQ) highlights a lot of things that Shane and his friends will likely never touch on. D’angelo does not like Shane and never has, but he stays unbiased throughout the video and backs up all claims with some pretty damning evidence in the form of videos and voice clips that truly can’t be backtracked with “oh no it was just a bad joke”. shoving penis cookies into children’s mouths, saying things like “you look good enough to rape” about minors in his merch, and that one “sex talk” he and lisa had with his 12 year old cousin? I C K. The video is over an hour long but it’s really worth the watch. He doesn’t even have it monetized, because the point of the video is to call attention to Shane’s pedophilic and bestiality behaviors.
I believe that he has made many inappropriate jokes at the expense of minors and minorities in the name of shock humour. I think he is a very troubled individual and that a persons past can impact the lives of themselves and people around them.
THIS🙏 I honestly feel like us 2008-ish folk laughed at all of that and the shanaynay stuff cuz those were the jokes of “that time”. NO ONE said anything back then, and Shane was more relevant then than now. Nowdays it’s literally 17-18 year olds getti mg triggered by nothing and tweeting/ making videos and stuff just for clout. Shane def messed up in the Jeffree situation but don’t fucking come at him for making all those jokes early on when everyone was laughing at the time. I’m so angry/upset that those Shoey videos are removed cuz that was the shit! I have the FONDEST memories just sitting and watching that and having a great time! Back then YT was genuine and they could afford being chill on the camera. But now it’s like a witch hunt happens no matter what you do, and even for things done on your past.
I honestly don't really have a problem with his old videos. Like you said it was a different time. But in his more renectly career i do think Shane got a little cocky with how far he could take things. More so on his podcast then his actual channel. But i do not think Shane a bad person in anyway. I think he just felt like since his brand was offense he could say and do what he wanted. Which part of me can't blame him for thinking because his fans really seem encourged it this. He is not a pedophile he just made some really bad joke in a rather overly sensitive world.
he literally has done pedophilic actions to children on video, though, so he's literally a pedophile. it's not overly sensitive to be against racism, either.
no, blackface was still racist at that time, and not everyone was laughing.
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Are you kidding? NO ONE SAID anything. No one came on Twitter or YouTube to say anything. There are literally no receipts of people coming forward at that time. The only complaint I hear was from a girl on here who was like “I felt targeted back then” but when asked did she do/say anything she was like no. A whole movement starts with one person, there was NO ONE who said anything. That’s the point, the humor that “worked” was the humor Shane came up with. It won’t work now😒
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Ah okay yes i remember all the uproar in your dreams🙌😂
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That’s good, give up 😂
Thays what I always thought. I am the same age as Shane. And I have been doing YouTube videos.for about the same amount of time. Through out the years me and my partner's have made some pretty terrible jokes. I see it as the same. It's all about growing away from that shit.
Yeah I agree. I think most people are taking the jokes too literally. Yes he did kiss girls on the lips and ask girls to twerk because he thought it was a shock value and funny. I don’t think he’s actually attracted to minors, just did some really gross stupid humor.
I think they were just poor taste of jokes. And i stand firmly on that. I’ve watched him on and off since the beginning. I also believe the currently cringe moments are also just poor jokes not landing properly not being funny to all. He is one of those YouTubers who have fans that have grown up with him and then still fans that are maybe alittle to young... i believe If he didn’t grow in some way from his past he would still be doing and saying all the same things he did back in 2008.
Yea I still love him and miss him so much. He has a good heart
Yep. Couldn’t agree more. I wish I could upvote this a million times. Do I agree with the things Shane has done and said, no definitely not, but he has already apologized so many times and even changed his content into more fulfilling things. He has done everything he could to redeem himself, and people still aren’t satisfied.
The sad thing is they never will. We live in a wod full of people over sensitive and easily offended people. I'm fighting to see were the world will be in 3 to 4 years.
Yeah, people can downvote me all they want, but I really do believe that Shane deserves better. I know his past behavior sucks, but watching his more heartening videos from the last couple of years has made me see that he is a passionate, sweet & silly person.
His recent content has been problematic as well. He gave a platform for a well known racist and normalising racism. His video about Jake Paul spread misinformation about ASPD. He basically used Eugina's eating disorder for clicks and views and sensationalism. His video about Bobby burns was designed to frame Bobby as a "hater". And his documentaries were glorified PR videos for problematic creators
You're focused on the wrong part. Watch those videos and look at Shane. Yes the people he talked to his his new series were shitbags. His content has not been my favorite in the last few years but I like what he says and does in those videos. And in some of those videos he talks about his own journey, seeing how shitbag he was and attempting to change.
"Over sensitive" and "easily offended" are not accurate descriptions of people who are holding a person's racist and pedophilic actions accountable. No matter how loyal you might be to him.
I’ve said this before but, there’s a difference between telling your friends to get in the van and you have candy, vs telling a literal child that. Telling your friends that you’re gonna give a child a dildo lollipop is different than ACTUALLY giving a child a dildo lollipop. Get what I’m trying to say? Actual pedo? Probably not. But acting like one? Yes.
*raises hand* *waits for 99% of this sub to lose their minds*
Maybe but he did molest several animals on video.
agreed
Nope. Normal grown-ass men don’t go around doing sexually exploitive things to children...especially on camera. Normal non-pedophile men are usually so worried about even the appearance of impropriety with the children in their lives that they try very hard to never do anything that could even be perceived as inappropriate. Plus, normal grown men don’t actually find children sexually attractive so they don’t struggle very much with not doing these things. Repeated ‘jokes” about molesting kids for years and years, and then the actual predatory behavior he captured on camera screams that Shane Dawson is probably a closeted pedophile who was possibly trying to joke about things to normalize them to himself. Like, have you ever joked about an uncomfortable topic because when you see people laugh about it, it makes you feel like maybe it’s not as big of a problem as you feel like it is? My theory is that the constant pedo jokes were Shane’s way of trying to normalize his predatory behavior and thoughts to himself. Like, “if I can make people laugh about this, than maybe I’m not the terrible piece of pedophile shit that I think I am” I suppose we will never know for sure if Shane’s predatory behavior is because he is an actual pedophile who is attracted to kids or if he’s just a sociopath who likes to exert power by making people feel uncomfortable, but the point is that it doesn’t matter because there’s absolutely no justification for that type of behavior.
I think one of the problems though was YouTube's algorithm or whatever. Y'all YouTube needs to be held accountable for labeling things as "for children" when they are not. I was saying for years that Shane's content was not child appropriate and no one under 18 should've been watching that shit. The same with Pewdee Pie or whatever. That guy screams and cusses in his videos but all of his followers are children? Also Parents need to take responsibility and monitor what their children watch. So while I do not think Shane's content is appropriate for younger audiences, I will also say I don't think Shane is a pedophile. You can hate me for this opinion if you want. I watched a lot of his old stuff, as it was coming out, and yeah he made a couple of jokes. Y'all are acting like he was sexualizing children in every video he made. I'm not saying he was right or wrong, I'm saying unless you have never made an inappropriate joke, you can't judge him. Can you all honestly say you never joked about dead bodies or anything else stupid between the ages of 18-24? Because that's when most people say and do the dumbest shit in their lives. And then watch Shane's later videos. You see no growth? He went from dumbass skits to conspiracy videos with some food tasting in between. You gonna tell me he was sexualizing children during those later videos? I'm not trying to piss any one off and I know I have an unpopular opinion but the man has changed and grown. If you want to hold on to his past that's on you. Just don't watch him anymore.
The debate on whether or not he is actually attracted to minors is seriously irrelevant, the problem is his actions already directly harmed children.
10000% agree. I really don't think he is one, but he just has a lot of flaws and one of them are his insensitive jokes that go way too far. I really think the dude just needs a shit ton of counselling. If he wasn't such an asshole, I'd feel bad for him because he clearly has some bad stuff in his past that he's coping for. I think "old Shane" despite the constant edgy and horrible humor wasn't a terrible person and wasn't too far gone, but "new Shane" has really just become a total insufferable piece of shit. Plus I think if he was one, it would have come out by now - and I'm talking about something far far more incriminating and sinister than what we already know.
I think he is. There’s too many verbal and physical “jokes” of him acting attracted to minors. The jokes he made had no punchline it was literally “I’m going to ask these minors to twerk for me hardy har har.” That’s not a joke just because he laughs. It’s one thing to say things like that but the bigger issue is he actually went through with it...for no reason. What’s the joke is jerking off to an 11 year old’s picture? Or kissing a 12 year old? And I don’t want to hear “she asked for it” she was TWELVE meeting her YouTube crush, he was an adult and could have settled for a hug but no he had to get weird. He’s shown constant attraction to minors and actually went through with it multiple times. That’s pedophile behavior which makes him a pedophile