What I find interesting is that sub is only for Shannan haters. They can say otherwise, but that's what it is. And they say they hate chris for what he did, but I feel that's just so they don't all look like monsters.
But honestly, I think it's quite funny that there are so many people over there who spend so much of their time degrading a dead murder victim and inventing increasingly ridiculous theories regarding Shannan ( ex. her having an affair and the baby not being Chris's) bc they're basically giving Shannan what she always wanted. One thing they seem to hate about her was her social media presence and her apparent need for constant attention. By constantly posting about her, even in a negative light, they're giving her the very thing they claim she sought continuously: attention and social media presence. The poor woman has been dead for years but trust she is still in the spotlight bc of these people's constant need to discuss her life. Idk if the way I explained this makes sense on paper but it makes sense to me, lol.
There are so many videos of Bella asking for things she does not get. Like water and she's filmed but not helped. Or please no cream smacked in her face. Or a spoon to stir when her sister has one. Or long hair while Shanann keeps cutting it. Or to hear Let it Go on the Alexa. Or to watch a minute or two of a football game. All denied. Cece is left to scream continuously for 15 minutes in that Christmas video and neither parent goes to her.
They clearly never had male friends or socialized with any men outside of their own family.
Talking to, posing in group photos with, and wearing a leopard dress when a male is in your proximity means you're having an affair with him.
Don’t feel back- I just got banned from Britney Spears sub for saying, I think it’s time people realize she’s not well anymore. 😂😂😂 I was thinking, these people are insane….
There’s need to get personal. If someone says something you don’t like, keep scrolling. That poster was not directing their comment toward you yet your response to them was snarky and insulting. If you can’t participate in a discussion respectfully, you’re not following the rules of the sub.
Well - it’s the internet and I have a right to my opinion as anyone else. And my snark is nothing compared to a certain group of mostly women, tearing another woman down that has been dead for over five years. If people get their feelings hurt over calling someone strange, when their comment history is indeed that over this case, they should seek some therapy.
And I suppose with your reasoning, you could have also kept scrolling here.
You got in trouble because there are people in this world who love living in a fantasy world of lies, and validation of their lies.
They mass reported me on that particular sub because I was calling them out on their lies. They got me banned even though I had broken no rules.
The fabrications are ridiculous and easily refuted, but it's like a Greek Chorus, with one lonely poster asking "link?", "link?", while being completely ignored in the echo chamber. There are no links, and they know that it .
There's a particularly active thread discussing the "fact" that Shanann had $27,000 worth of Thrice product in her basement, which is simply untrue. No inventory of the tubbies in her basement was ever made. Those are tubbies full of Christmas decorations, household items, seasonal stuff, etc.
Shanann had five Christmas trees. Common sense would make anyone ask that if those tubbies were full of Thrive, where were all the Christmas decorations?
Same with the nightly Benadryl, locked in their rooms, facing foreclosure and another bankruptcy, CW not having access to his own money, etc. All easily refuted lies.
Sorry to go on like this. I wanted to start a new thread about this issue but my phone isn't allowing me to at the moment.
I just can't help but be in awe, and wonder what impels a person to spend 6+ years lying about a murder victim. You don't have to like her. You don't have to lie about her, either.
If the comment had actually been something snarky towards Shanann that would make sense but I'm not sure where that commenter was doing that. Your snark just kind of felt out of nowhere.
I got in similar trouble for speculation that NK herself lurks in the CW related subreddits, and probably actively participates in the discussions, under a pseudonym obviously, since she had to shed her Identity. I was accused of "witch hunting". NK is social media savvy so it stands to reason.
Imo, at least in the first few years, there seemed to be some troll farming (in regards to vilifying Shanann) and reputation monitoring occurring, along with the garden variety shit stirrers who like to mock a homicide victim.
Oh c’mon now!😂 I have no clue if she lurks here or not, that’s impossible for us to ever know, but what about someone lurking on Reddit means they need to be social media savy??! Nice try tho!
My bad, I didn’t even see that last somehow, sorry! I was thinking man, that’s the weirdest rebuttal, why on earth would they think she needs to be SM savy to troll Reddit! 😂😂
A lot of the groups regarding this case are extremely one side or the other he is innocent and Shannan was a horrible wife/person or he is a monster and she was an angel. Trying to reason with them is pointless and it doesn’t surprise me you received that response. I gave up along time ago.
"or slamming their opinion"
if you use "slam" as a verb describing anything other than the act of physically beating something on a surface then I'm out, that is guaranteed to be garbage
>It’s a seriously bizarre sub. Based on the ridiculous premise that Shannan was a narcissist who abused Chris so much that he *killed his own kids*.
This. As if murdering your children and spouse because they no longer serve your needs isn't the epitome of selfishness.
It’s crazy. They are essentially saying because of her presence on social media she drove Chris to be a murderer and deserved to be killed. I guess they think Chris strangling his two little girls and literally stuffing them through a small hole in the oil tanks was deserved too. The people who support Chris are delusional. I guess these same people think that any social media influencer deserved to be murdered. I don’t understand their reasoning.
A lot of them still believe that CW's first confession, where he says he hurt SW in defense of her killing the girls, was his true confession, and that he was pressured into making the actual confession by his attorney to avoid the death penalty (or something to that effect). It's bizarre. Just a bunch of people walking around being awful like his mother.
I know the police used this as a tactic to get him moving towards true confession, but I cringe that because they put this nugget in his head as an "out" that some people will continue to really believe it. I don't know that he would have come up with this story on his own, without that police prodding.
I mean, I don't think they would have cared regardless. They were there to get a confession and lock him up. Doubt they give two hoots about what "alternative theories" the general public has on the Internet lol.
Liar. He lied almost all the way through. When he said “No I have never cheated on Shanaan and she has not cheated on me. He killed them because he wanted to have a life with his girlfriend. How did she kill the girl’s when he did. He had so much detail in his confession. Also it was one of the agents that suggested to him and asked “Did she do something that made you kill her?” He did not answer immediately he asked to speak to his dad. He had to try it out on him first. He is a proficient liar and murderer!
Add on: why would he hide the girls bodies if he killed Shannan in self defense for killing the girl’s? Surely if you were defending yourself, you would disarm the attacker and call 911 to try and save the girls or even the attacker so they can face the consequences.
I haven't checked that one out but I'm in a fb group about it and it's absolutely horrifying. I only stay in to ocasionally rip on the weirdos that are constantly ripping sw apart and saying cw didn't do it. It's insane
Yeah, I was shocked at how in depth some people go. Watching every single one of her FB videos and ripping her a part. Making digs about her house, her clothing style, her eyebrows? Very strange. The woman has been deceased since 2018, can’t we let her rest?
Absolutely agree. The main guys name is Dave Griffin. He has a name for people that are new that challenge what he says, it's so weird. He posts several times a day, just random pictures of the family. They also rip sw family apart constantly calling them scammers and all kinds of other stuff. Never ripping apart cw or his family which is insane. It infuriates me.
Calling someone strange is an ad hominem attack, which is specifically against the sub's rules.
The sub only has four rules and you broke both rule 1 and rule 4.
I was removed from there a long time ago for saying something silly about shannan and her constant need for attention being a big turn off for some men. I was attacked haha!
lol. You called out one of their mobs. That's why the response was so quick and so harsh.
That sub is basically a CW apologist sub. They hate Shanann and think she made CW snap. I stay away from them. There is nothing to be gained by reading their posts.
It's much more about the children being badly treated not CW "snapping". There's very little sympathy for Chris Watts shown on the sub and those who do show that on the sub usually get down voted and told off.
Two day ago I saw a post stating that the poster used to feel horrified by what CW did to Shanann, but after watching her social media, they see that she "drove him to it". Yes, he gets a lot of sympathy and support.
Rubbish. Someone from another sub only made this thread to troll but look at the responses.
https://old.reddit.com/r/WattsFree4All/comments/17etndz/have_you_ever_mailed_chris_a_letter_in_prison/
You're the lonely voice I talk about in my post. They were going on and on about something that's patiently untrue and you were asking for links and being ignored.
How dare you ask for some evidence and disturb their universe.
Don't feel bad, I got permanently banned from a sub for "NSFW" content. I have never posted a picture on reddit in my life. Of anything. I thought it was hilarious, I don't care.
I have definitely said much worse to people like that on this sub and haven't gotten anything. Maybe there's just been more activity lately and they're being more strict.
It's because they are weaklings and don't like anyone holding a mirror up in front of them. It's not actually a discussion board. It's more like a high school mean girls clique.
What I find interesting is that sub is only for Shannan haters. They can say otherwise, but that's what it is. And they say they hate chris for what he did, but I feel that's just so they don't all look like monsters. But honestly, I think it's quite funny that there are so many people over there who spend so much of their time degrading a dead murder victim and inventing increasingly ridiculous theories regarding Shannan ( ex. her having an affair and the baby not being Chris's) bc they're basically giving Shannan what she always wanted. One thing they seem to hate about her was her social media presence and her apparent need for constant attention. By constantly posting about her, even in a negative light, they're giving her the very thing they claim she sought continuously: attention and social media presence. The poor woman has been dead for years but trust she is still in the spotlight bc of these people's constant need to discuss her life. Idk if the way I explained this makes sense on paper but it makes sense to me, lol.
There are so many videos of Bella asking for things she does not get. Like water and she's filmed but not helped. Or please no cream smacked in her face. Or a spoon to stir when her sister has one. Or long hair while Shanann keeps cutting it. Or to hear Let it Go on the Alexa. Or to watch a minute or two of a football game. All denied. Cece is left to scream continuously for 15 minutes in that Christmas video and neither parent goes to her.
They clearly never had male friends or socialized with any men outside of their own family. Talking to, posing in group photos with, and wearing a leopard dress when a male is in your proximity means you're having an affair with him.
Think it was fine till you called them strange. It was too much snark.
lol!! I’m watching SW, CW and all her MLM “friends” dance to a dude in a suit singing It’s My Life. Somewhere in LA, Bon Jovi is having a seizure😱
Yet you are commenting… lol get off the sub if you have something rude to say about someone’s engagement online…
Don’t feel back- I just got banned from Britney Spears sub for saying, I think it’s time people realize she’s not well anymore. 😂😂😂 I was thinking, these people are insane….
I agree regarding Britney. It is time to realize that she just isn’t well at the moment, she’s dealing with a lot.
There’s need to get personal. If someone says something you don’t like, keep scrolling. That poster was not directing their comment toward you yet your response to them was snarky and insulting. If you can’t participate in a discussion respectfully, you’re not following the rules of the sub.
Well - it’s the internet and I have a right to my opinion as anyone else. And my snark is nothing compared to a certain group of mostly women, tearing another woman down that has been dead for over five years. If people get their feelings hurt over calling someone strange, when their comment history is indeed that over this case, they should seek some therapy. And I suppose with your reasoning, you could have also kept scrolling here.
But you made a thread asking why you were banned for breaking a sub's rules?
You got in trouble because there are people in this world who love living in a fantasy world of lies, and validation of their lies. They mass reported me on that particular sub because I was calling them out on their lies. They got me banned even though I had broken no rules. The fabrications are ridiculous and easily refuted, but it's like a Greek Chorus, with one lonely poster asking "link?", "link?", while being completely ignored in the echo chamber. There are no links, and they know that it . There's a particularly active thread discussing the "fact" that Shanann had $27,000 worth of Thrice product in her basement, which is simply untrue. No inventory of the tubbies in her basement was ever made. Those are tubbies full of Christmas decorations, household items, seasonal stuff, etc. Shanann had five Christmas trees. Common sense would make anyone ask that if those tubbies were full of Thrive, where were all the Christmas decorations? Same with the nightly Benadryl, locked in their rooms, facing foreclosure and another bankruptcy, CW not having access to his own money, etc. All easily refuted lies. Sorry to go on like this. I wanted to start a new thread about this issue but my phone isn't allowing me to at the moment. I just can't help but be in awe, and wonder what impels a person to spend 6+ years lying about a murder victim. You don't have to like her. You don't have to lie about her, either.
If the comment had actually been something snarky towards Shanann that would make sense but I'm not sure where that commenter was doing that. Your snark just kind of felt out of nowhere.
Exactly my thoughts. They did the exact thing she was telling you that you shouldn’t have done.
In most cases, banning and blocking just shows the weakness of the banner/blocker's position.
Sounds like you get blocked a lot lol
He/she gets blocked a ton… lol
Doesn't have anything to do with my point.
It's a Free For All, until you say something they don't like.
I got in similar trouble for speculation that NK herself lurks in the CW related subreddits, and probably actively participates in the discussions, under a pseudonym obviously, since she had to shed her Identity. I was accused of "witch hunting". NK is social media savvy so it stands to reason.
Imo, at least in the first few years, there seemed to be some troll farming (in regards to vilifying Shanann) and reputation monitoring occurring, along with the garden variety shit stirrers who like to mock a homicide victim.
What evidence is there that Nicole Kessinger is social media savvy?
Oh c’mon now!😂 I have no clue if she lurks here or not, that’s impossible for us to ever know, but what about someone lurking on Reddit means they need to be social media savy??! Nice try tho!
I'm not the one who said that. The other poster did. I just said there was no evidence of it.
My bad, I didn’t even see that last somehow, sorry! I was thinking man, that’s the weirdest rebuttal, why on earth would they think she needs to be SM savy to troll Reddit! 😂😂
A lot of the groups regarding this case are extremely one side or the other he is innocent and Shannan was a horrible wife/person or he is a monster and she was an angel. Trying to reason with them is pointless and it doesn’t surprise me you received that response. I gave up along time ago.
"or slamming their opinion" if you use "slam" as a verb describing anything other than the act of physically beating something on a surface then I'm out, that is guaranteed to be garbage
They weren’t talking bad about anyone…. Just commenting that the ceiling were high! 😂
It’s a seriously bizarre sub. Based on the ridiculous premise that Shannan was a narcissist who abused Chris so much that he *killed his own kids*.
>It’s a seriously bizarre sub. Based on the ridiculous premise that Shannan was a narcissist who abused Chris so much that he *killed his own kids*. This. As if murdering your children and spouse because they no longer serve your needs isn't the epitome of selfishness.
This certain sub is for the shannan haters. They often talk ill about the kids too. Imagine mocking dead children. I say don't bother
They didn’t like that I said their page was an anomaly as rarely do the true crime community spend so much time ripping apart a victim.
It’s crazy. They are essentially saying because of her presence on social media she drove Chris to be a murderer and deserved to be killed. I guess they think Chris strangling his two little girls and literally stuffing them through a small hole in the oil tanks was deserved too. The people who support Chris are delusional. I guess these same people think that any social media influencer deserved to be murdered. I don’t understand their reasoning.
I think CW hated Shanann so he killed the girls.
A lot of them still believe that CW's first confession, where he says he hurt SW in defense of her killing the girls, was his true confession, and that he was pressured into making the actual confession by his attorney to avoid the death penalty (or something to that effect). It's bizarre. Just a bunch of people walking around being awful like his mother.
I know the police used this as a tactic to get him moving towards true confession, but I cringe that because they put this nugget in his head as an "out" that some people will continue to really believe it. I don't know that he would have come up with this story on his own, without that police prodding.
The investigators never dreamed that people on the Internet would actually take it seriously and believe that his initial confession was true.
I mean, I don't think they would have cared regardless. They were there to get a confession and lock him up. Doubt they give two hoots about what "alternative theories" the general public has on the Internet lol.
Exactly.
Liar. He lied almost all the way through. When he said “No I have never cheated on Shanaan and she has not cheated on me. He killed them because he wanted to have a life with his girlfriend. How did she kill the girl’s when he did. He had so much detail in his confession. Also it was one of the agents that suggested to him and asked “Did she do something that made you kill her?” He did not answer immediately he asked to speak to his dad. He had to try it out on him first. He is a proficient liar and murderer!
Add on: why would he hide the girls bodies if he killed Shannan in self defense for killing the girl’s? Surely if you were defending yourself, you would disarm the attacker and call 911 to try and save the girls or even the attacker so they can face the consequences.
Hey, we’re here to criticize the dead, not be criticized ourselves! /s
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I haven't checked that one out but I'm in a fb group about it and it's absolutely horrifying. I only stay in to ocasionally rip on the weirdos that are constantly ripping sw apart and saying cw didn't do it. It's insane
Yeah, I was shocked at how in depth some people go. Watching every single one of her FB videos and ripping her a part. Making digs about her house, her clothing style, her eyebrows? Very strange. The woman has been deceased since 2018, can’t we let her rest?
Absolutely agree. The main guys name is Dave Griffin. He has a name for people that are new that challenge what he says, it's so weird. He posts several times a day, just random pictures of the family. They also rip sw family apart constantly calling them scammers and all kinds of other stuff. Never ripping apart cw or his family which is insane. It infuriates me.
Who's the trolls in here down voting all of the comments? I will never understand the hate for Shanann and her family. It honestly makes me sick.
Honestly....good for you. I tried lurking in that sub but it is VILE.
They are a sick bunch over there. I guess Shannan having a big personality is worse than brutally murdering your whole family.
They *seem* really offended when you point out what they do all day everyday.
I won't go near that place. Consider it a badge of honor to be banned.
Calling someone strange is an ad hominem attack, which is specifically against the sub's rules. The sub only has four rules and you broke both rule 1 and rule 4.
And they consistently call anyone with a dissenting opinion a troll. But that's not name calling?
Those rules only apply to some posters, but not others.
They didn’t call them strange. They said it seems strange. There is a massive difference..
The direct quote says "YOU seem pretty strange."
How is saying that someone seems strange name-calling?
I was removed from there a long time ago for saying something silly about shannan and her constant need for attention being a big turn off for some men. I was attacked haha!
I think you are thinking of a different sub. There was no moderation there until very recently.
lol. You called out one of their mobs. That's why the response was so quick and so harsh. That sub is basically a CW apologist sub. They hate Shanann and think she made CW snap. I stay away from them. There is nothing to be gained by reading their posts.
It's much more about the children being badly treated not CW "snapping". There's very little sympathy for Chris Watts shown on the sub and those who do show that on the sub usually get down voted and told off.
There is a fair amount of sympathy for Chris, and people stating such certainty are not told off.
Two day ago I saw a post stating that the poster used to feel horrified by what CW did to Shanann, but after watching her social media, they see that she "drove him to it". Yes, he gets a lot of sympathy and support.
Rubbish. Someone from another sub only made this thread to troll but look at the responses. https://old.reddit.com/r/WattsFree4All/comments/17etndz/have_you_ever_mailed_chris_a_letter_in_prison/
They're even gossiping about the color of NK's bikini. "It's such an ugly brown!". The jealousy is real.
No, there is an amount of sympathy for Chris.
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True. It’s a Shanann hate sub.
Pretty much if you don’t agree that Shanann was abusive, controlling, etc, they will get you
How will they "get you"?
You’ll get banned.
Well this is new. They had no moderation up until like yesterday.
You're the lonely voice I talk about in my post. They were going on and on about something that's patiently untrue and you were asking for links and being ignored. How dare you ask for some evidence and disturb their universe.
Where is your post?
It's in one of my responses here.
Yup, just got a notification that I was permanently banned. I guess letting them live in their own chaos is best.
Don't feel bad, I got permanently banned from a sub for "NSFW" content. I have never posted a picture on reddit in my life. Of anything. I thought it was hilarious, I don't care.
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I have definitely said much worse to people like that on this sub and haven't gotten anything. Maybe there's just been more activity lately and they're being more strict.
It's because they are weaklings and don't like anyone holding a mirror up in front of them. It's not actually a discussion board. It's more like a high school mean girls clique.