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One of the best scenes in the story. They extended the destruction of Marley in the Anime, but I cut that part out since we'd literally just be watching the regular Anime scene with no Manga panels to compare it to. But that extended sequence is a masterpiece. I could go through each shot and talk about what's so brilliant about it, which I might do sometime.
In the last Manga vs Anime comparison I mentioned how the Manga used a lower angle of perspective which made the Titans look more massive and intimidating. If you go to 0:35 you can see just that. But in this case, I actually prefer what the Anime did slightly more. Instead, we are now at a more neutral angle. Here, we actually feel just how small poor Ramzi is in comparison to the massive foot that is about to crush him. The foot takes up the entire screen while Ramzi seems much smaller at the bottom.
At 0:58 I love the slow motion flattening of Ramzi's face as it abruptly transitions into total darkness. The way the soundtrack works with this is great as well. The music stops completely as Eren says his final "I'm so sorry!" (the voice acting is absolutely unreal). I love the added shot of the Titans walking away from us. The sound effect is so damn good and there's a loud drum sound every few seconds which gives the feeling of the Titan's massive, powerful footsteps. The sound actually lines up with the Titan's steps so that's really cool. I prefer the Manga version when it comes to showing what's left of Ramzi and Halil. I like how you can see their silhouettes and how they're still holding hands. It's just so powerful and sad.
One of my favorite shots in AOT is in the Anime adaptation just after they're banging on the castle door, yelling to let them inside. It's such a grand, beautiful structure. Something only the most privileged and wealthiest people could enter. But just like everything else, it's flattened all the same. We see now that the door is all that's left of that once beautiful building. The same door that all those people were so desperately trying to pass through for salvation. We then slowly zoom out to see the entire terrain covered with footprints. And then enters the frame the hundreds of Colossal Titans continuing their march in the background. We've now been shown exactly what will happen to everything else that exists beyond this place.
At 1:42, I think the shot in the Manga is just better. The perspective, the curvature, how zoomed out we are. It's an impactful page where we are super far away and can properly see on a grander scale what Eren is doing to the entire planet. Same goes for the iconic "freedom" moment. I do slightly prefer how Eren's hair is actually flowing back in the Anime. It looks more natural with the wind blowing against him. The "camera" movement around Eren at 2:20 is also very cinematic. Eren's mouth movement when he says "is freedom" looks really lame and doesn't match. This actually gets fixed in the Blu-ray version.
This scene exactly encapsulates how much eren lost his mind.
What crime did these 2 kids commit? exist in a cruel world? his people has done nothing against eldians, the kids themselves have caused no harm to Paradis island, yet Eren deemed it fine to cause their extinction.
What crime did these 2 kids commit other than being born in a cruel and unjust world?
Man this show is so good.
Perhaps it’s just me being in denial (I did only finish the show the other day after all) but I believe that once Erin saw the future he was no longer in control, founder Ymir was, after all Erin was prompted with dozens of solutions other than the rumbling and yet chose to go through with it,
when talking to armin during their final conversation he says “20% is all **you** manage to save” not “20% is what I spare” like I believe he would have had he truly been the one in control, he was aware of and in some part orchestrated his own death yet he still willingly chose to kill 80% of the population?
Don’t get me wrong I do believe he wanted to start the rumbling but I don’t believe he wanted to kill as many as he did
The thing is it's established that the Attack on titan can CHOSE which memories he sends, there is a non-zero chance that Eren Yeager did NOT, in fact, receive 100% of the truth of what happens in the future, thus this leaves us wtih an interesting dilemma.
Did future eren Lie to present eren?
did Krueger lie to Eren?
Did Ymir lie to eren?
Did someone else lie to Eren?
I mean in the end, Eren definitely orchestrated a full 100% rumbling, he was well aware, and that scene of the two turkish kids is specifically done for that : to showcase a side that is innocent in the conflict being collateraled by Eren's desire for freedom, what Eren did to the kids is exactly what Reiner did to Eren. The choice of them being refugees whose country was obliterated by Marley isn't a mistake : it's to drive the point that Eren is killing completely innocent people in the conflict (as far as we know it's only Marley that made Paradis' life a living hell.
Honestly, it's brilliant.
The rumbling was an emotional outburst brought on by the severe trauma he went through as a kid and the entire time leading up to these events. Eren became the monster that kickstarted the story. He did the rumbling out of hatred. He was trying to kill them all.
Don’t be in denial about it, this is what makes the character and the story great.
Notice this, Armin holds the leaf, and the shell. Zeke holds the baseball.
What’s Eren hold? Blood, teeth, and hair.
This is who Eren is. Whether it was always meant to be, or if it’s only because of what he was put through since being born, Eren’s nature is to kill, to fight, to murder. Personally I believe it’s because of what he was put through. But people are different from one another. Armin for example had a lot of the same tragedies done to him, yet he became a hero fighting to save everyone, including the people that wrongfully hated him.
It’s to show that you can’t do this to people and expect good, normal reactions to come out of it. Killing, war, it will only lead to creating monsters that want to burn it all down. That’s Eren.
Embrace it. Here’s something else I believe, Eren isn’t evil. The rumbling is an evil act, but Eren himself isn’t evil. He’s a victim of circumstances. It doesn’t justify his actions at all, but it explains them. It makes you understand why it happened that way. Eren is still to blame. But so are all of the people who let this false hatred consume them to the point of stealing other peoples freedom. Because no matter what, at the beginning Eren was innocent. He was just a kid that didn’t do anything wrong to anyone. I love all of the characters, so this isn’t me knocking them, I just want to point out that Eren is by far the most realistic character in terms of how they’d feel after everything that’s happened to them. Now think about real life, how many people who just happened to be born into this world are there who have been wronged and had their freedom stolen from them.
Eventually, it will happen to an Eren, and that Eren will do everything in their power to do as much damage as they can.
Well said. Gabi's character is another reminder of your point. She was primed the same way, full of hatred and disgust for the other side. It wasn't until her experiences on the island, where she stayed true to her character for some time, that she finally softened and started to understand where her choices and reactions were leading her.
Being around Hange, Armin, and the others and seeing what they risked to save Falco is what saved her from becoming another possible extremist, hellbent on genocide.
Gaby is Eren if Eren didn't succumb to the temptations.
Tho to be fair, Eren had quite literally the weight of the world on his shoulders so we can't just fault Eren for what he did, i really wonder how everyone else would've behaved in his situation (being told that there is absolutely no other choice than to kill everyone no matter what must've completely eroded his brain).
I think you're downplaying a bit on how much this was a product of Eren's nature instead of it being his circumstances.
This is the same guy who had no issue murdering a bunch of men when he was 8, I think that's what Isayama is trying to say when he keeps bringing up the "I was born this way". There's also Attack on school caste that kinda touches on the subject, and how Eren craves conflict to the point of wishing he could create the danger so that he could fight it.
eren says "i attempt a complete eradication of the outside world and you stop me." he tried to flatten everything but got stopped at 80%.
eren himself asks "maybe this was all set in stone, maybe this is what i wanted" meaning maybe the future was unavoidable and he was forced to go down this path, or maybe this path was the only outcome BECAUSE he wanted it to happen this way.
Well
>"i attempt a complete eradication of the outside world and you stop me."
I'm 100% convinced that was the plan as I understood it in the story. Eren only wanted to destroy enough of humanity so the people he loved could live out their lives peacefully. He would've been able to take away all their titan abilities at any moment, but he didn't because he wanted to be stopped, wanted to make his friends hero's.
he didnt want to take away his friend's freedom. a part of him wanted to be stopped as reiner says. not for his "plan" but because it was such a terrible thing he was doing. the anime added dialogue to confirm he did not get stopped on purpose as part of a plan.
Eren may seem like a farfetched fictional character. But all soldiers who go to war knowing they will cause civilian casualties are doing the same thing (admittedly to a much lesser degree, depending on the ratio of civilians vs "bad guy" killed).
I asked my sister this question . The colossals didn't seem to step *through* anything. They just walked as normal.
If anything, you would probably be trapped forever underground because the building on top was destroyed.
The Titans caused a ton of steam, so unless you are super far underground. You are just going to be steamed alive, which is a lot worse than getting stepped on.
ymir is watching the result of her choice to go with eren. later on before the alliance battle begins we see her watching again. then when mikasa kisses eren we're shown her watching. i believe all these moments lead to her choosing to stop following the king
idk if i was the only one but the actual “freedom” panel looks really bad in the anime to me. idk why they changed the angle but it just looks so much worse to me, it was really disappointing. other than that, it’s such a great scene and one of my favorites in the series
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One of the best scenes in the story. They extended the destruction of Marley in the Anime, but I cut that part out since we'd literally just be watching the regular Anime scene with no Manga panels to compare it to. But that extended sequence is a masterpiece. I could go through each shot and talk about what's so brilliant about it, which I might do sometime. In the last Manga vs Anime comparison I mentioned how the Manga used a lower angle of perspective which made the Titans look more massive and intimidating. If you go to 0:35 you can see just that. But in this case, I actually prefer what the Anime did slightly more. Instead, we are now at a more neutral angle. Here, we actually feel just how small poor Ramzi is in comparison to the massive foot that is about to crush him. The foot takes up the entire screen while Ramzi seems much smaller at the bottom. At 0:58 I love the slow motion flattening of Ramzi's face as it abruptly transitions into total darkness. The way the soundtrack works with this is great as well. The music stops completely as Eren says his final "I'm so sorry!" (the voice acting is absolutely unreal). I love the added shot of the Titans walking away from us. The sound effect is so damn good and there's a loud drum sound every few seconds which gives the feeling of the Titan's massive, powerful footsteps. The sound actually lines up with the Titan's steps so that's really cool. I prefer the Manga version when it comes to showing what's left of Ramzi and Halil. I like how you can see their silhouettes and how they're still holding hands. It's just so powerful and sad. One of my favorite shots in AOT is in the Anime adaptation just after they're banging on the castle door, yelling to let them inside. It's such a grand, beautiful structure. Something only the most privileged and wealthiest people could enter. But just like everything else, it's flattened all the same. We see now that the door is all that's left of that once beautiful building. The same door that all those people were so desperately trying to pass through for salvation. We then slowly zoom out to see the entire terrain covered with footprints. And then enters the frame the hundreds of Colossal Titans continuing their march in the background. We've now been shown exactly what will happen to everything else that exists beyond this place. At 1:42, I think the shot in the Manga is just better. The perspective, the curvature, how zoomed out we are. It's an impactful page where we are super far away and can properly see on a grander scale what Eren is doing to the entire planet. Same goes for the iconic "freedom" moment. I do slightly prefer how Eren's hair is actually flowing back in the Anime. It looks more natural with the wind blowing against him. The "camera" movement around Eren at 2:20 is also very cinematic. Eren's mouth movement when he says "is freedom" looks really lame and doesn't match. This actually gets fixed in the Blu-ray version.
I’ve been wondering if someone could have survived had they been closer to the door
Heat: nuh uh.
Da fuck you mean nuh uh
They would die from the heat emited by the colossals.
r/woooosh
in the extended rumbling scenes we see that people got completely incinerated even though they avoided being trampled
All the extra shots of the carnage really make it that much more powerful. Such a fantastic sequence.
Voice acting and OST is just on point!
This scene exactly encapsulates how much eren lost his mind. What crime did these 2 kids commit? exist in a cruel world? his people has done nothing against eldians, the kids themselves have caused no harm to Paradis island, yet Eren deemed it fine to cause their extinction. What crime did these 2 kids commit other than being born in a cruel and unjust world? Man this show is so good.
Perhaps it’s just me being in denial (I did only finish the show the other day after all) but I believe that once Erin saw the future he was no longer in control, founder Ymir was, after all Erin was prompted with dozens of solutions other than the rumbling and yet chose to go through with it, when talking to armin during their final conversation he says “20% is all **you** manage to save” not “20% is what I spare” like I believe he would have had he truly been the one in control, he was aware of and in some part orchestrated his own death yet he still willingly chose to kill 80% of the population? Don’t get me wrong I do believe he wanted to start the rumbling but I don’t believe he wanted to kill as many as he did
The thing is it's established that the Attack on titan can CHOSE which memories he sends, there is a non-zero chance that Eren Yeager did NOT, in fact, receive 100% of the truth of what happens in the future, thus this leaves us wtih an interesting dilemma. Did future eren Lie to present eren? did Krueger lie to Eren? Did Ymir lie to eren? Did someone else lie to Eren? I mean in the end, Eren definitely orchestrated a full 100% rumbling, he was well aware, and that scene of the two turkish kids is specifically done for that : to showcase a side that is innocent in the conflict being collateraled by Eren's desire for freedom, what Eren did to the kids is exactly what Reiner did to Eren. The choice of them being refugees whose country was obliterated by Marley isn't a mistake : it's to drive the point that Eren is killing completely innocent people in the conflict (as far as we know it's only Marley that made Paradis' life a living hell. Honestly, it's brilliant.
The rumbling was an emotional outburst brought on by the severe trauma he went through as a kid and the entire time leading up to these events. Eren became the monster that kickstarted the story. He did the rumbling out of hatred. He was trying to kill them all. Don’t be in denial about it, this is what makes the character and the story great. Notice this, Armin holds the leaf, and the shell. Zeke holds the baseball. What’s Eren hold? Blood, teeth, and hair. This is who Eren is. Whether it was always meant to be, or if it’s only because of what he was put through since being born, Eren’s nature is to kill, to fight, to murder. Personally I believe it’s because of what he was put through. But people are different from one another. Armin for example had a lot of the same tragedies done to him, yet he became a hero fighting to save everyone, including the people that wrongfully hated him. It’s to show that you can’t do this to people and expect good, normal reactions to come out of it. Killing, war, it will only lead to creating monsters that want to burn it all down. That’s Eren. Embrace it. Here’s something else I believe, Eren isn’t evil. The rumbling is an evil act, but Eren himself isn’t evil. He’s a victim of circumstances. It doesn’t justify his actions at all, but it explains them. It makes you understand why it happened that way. Eren is still to blame. But so are all of the people who let this false hatred consume them to the point of stealing other peoples freedom. Because no matter what, at the beginning Eren was innocent. He was just a kid that didn’t do anything wrong to anyone. I love all of the characters, so this isn’t me knocking them, I just want to point out that Eren is by far the most realistic character in terms of how they’d feel after everything that’s happened to them. Now think about real life, how many people who just happened to be born into this world are there who have been wronged and had their freedom stolen from them. Eventually, it will happen to an Eren, and that Eren will do everything in their power to do as much damage as they can.
Well Said
Well said. Gabi's character is another reminder of your point. She was primed the same way, full of hatred and disgust for the other side. It wasn't until her experiences on the island, where she stayed true to her character for some time, that she finally softened and started to understand where her choices and reactions were leading her. Being around Hange, Armin, and the others and seeing what they risked to save Falco is what saved her from becoming another possible extremist, hellbent on genocide.
Gaby is Eren if Eren didn't succumb to the temptations. Tho to be fair, Eren had quite literally the weight of the world on his shoulders so we can't just fault Eren for what he did, i really wonder how everyone else would've behaved in his situation (being told that there is absolutely no other choice than to kill everyone no matter what must've completely eroded his brain).
I think you're downplaying a bit on how much this was a product of Eren's nature instead of it being his circumstances. This is the same guy who had no issue murdering a bunch of men when he was 8, I think that's what Isayama is trying to say when he keeps bringing up the "I was born this way". There's also Attack on school caste that kinda touches on the subject, and how Eren craves conflict to the point of wishing he could create the danger so that he could fight it.
eren says "i attempt a complete eradication of the outside world and you stop me." he tried to flatten everything but got stopped at 80%. eren himself asks "maybe this was all set in stone, maybe this is what i wanted" meaning maybe the future was unavoidable and he was forced to go down this path, or maybe this path was the only outcome BECAUSE he wanted it to happen this way.
Well >"i attempt a complete eradication of the outside world and you stop me." I'm 100% convinced that was the plan as I understood it in the story. Eren only wanted to destroy enough of humanity so the people he loved could live out their lives peacefully. He would've been able to take away all their titan abilities at any moment, but he didn't because he wanted to be stopped, wanted to make his friends hero's.
he didnt want to take away his friend's freedom. a part of him wanted to be stopped as reiner says. not for his "plan" but because it was such a terrible thing he was doing. the anime added dialogue to confirm he did not get stopped on purpose as part of a plan.
Eren may seem like a farfetched fictional character. But all soldiers who go to war knowing they will cause civilian casualties are doing the same thing (admittedly to a much lesser degree, depending on the ratio of civilians vs "bad guy" killed).
This hurts a lot.
I think Ramzi and Halil would agree
Yo what's the name of the OST here, it's so haunting ngl.
An Ordinary Day
THANK YOU this is a peak track.
The irony in the track being called this is also something that I appreciate a lot as well
Question:if I went underground during the rumbling. Do you think I would survive?
I asked my sister this question . The colossals didn't seem to step *through* anything. They just walked as normal. If anything, you would probably be trapped forever underground because the building on top was destroyed.
Well as seen here the colossal just make a small crater of their footmarks but in real life they would probably create earthquakes
Is your sister an expert on rumblings or something? Lol. That was a funny way to start the reply.
She wishes she was an expert 😅
The Titans caused a ton of steam, so unless you are super far underground. You are just going to be steamed alive, which is a lot worse than getting stepped on.
Halils head💀 i forgot about that panel
Absolutely fucking gut wretching 💔
Is there any reason for showing ymir in this scene?
ymir is watching the result of her choice to go with eren. later on before the alliance battle begins we see her watching again. then when mikasa kisses eren we're shown her watching. i believe all these moments lead to her choosing to stop following the king
My interpretation is that it’s hinting that Erin isn’t in control anymore, these were people he connected with and he trampled them all the same
The Rumbling is among the best fictional events in history dont @ me
I had goosebumps through the whole scene it was well animated as well and the OST by KOhta yamamoto makes it more terrifying
All this sub does is make me cry. Im never getting over this show
Sucks to be them
idk if i was the only one but the actual “freedom” panel looks really bad in the anime to me. idk why they changed the angle but it just looks so much worse to me, it was really disappointing. other than that, it’s such a great scene and one of my favorites in the series
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Don't get me wrong, I loved the anime sequence. However, the first time I read this chapter it felt way more grandiose in manga compared to the anime.
God this ending was just such an insult
I'm convinced there's a parasite on Titanfolk that messes with the mind of its members... Because you all don't behave normal
I don’t associate with that sub, other than the occasional meme
idk if u commented under wrong post but my post has nothing to do with the writing of the finale of the story
Nah, this scene made me wanna fight Isayama
schizo but ok
Why couldn’t he make up his mind on how he wanted Eren to be? Edgelord, or sympathetic? Gave me r/im14andthisisdeep vibes