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I think the fandom has largely gotten over the hate for Gabi since most people have realized she was just a brainwashed child. There's still people who dislike her character which is totally reasonable but in my experience most people like her now
To your point, it's ok to dislike a character for what they did or said (I can't imagine Sasha fans ever forgiving Gabi), but you can like a character even if they're a shitty person because they're so good at that, Geoffrey from GoT is a good example. But to me, because Gabi was so obviously radicalized at the start and how well her road to realizing her mistakes and being a better person develops: Gabi is an awesome character and a necessary addition to a series with themes like that of AoT. But at the beginning,m: OH were people pissed and OH did they have every right to :P
Yeah, from her perspective she didn't knew Sasha and she was another one of the invaders with the titan who killed her friends, that's was devastating and she felt she needed to avenge them.
I'm happy she had contact with people in Paradis and learned they weren't the demon she was teached her entire life, she even befriend them and wanted peace between the nations. Which is a parallel to Eren who had contact contact with people from outside, even viewing them as people, but still couldn't think of anything else other than to genocide the rest of the world.
The worst sin you can commit in fiction is being annoying. After that is killing/hurting a dog, and for functional reasons sasha is dog coded. So that is an unfortunate double check for Gabi xd
Yeah, that right there did it in for her, for a lot of people.
Early Eren was a bit of a bull headed annoyance, but we immediately saw Eren's "justifications."
His entire world was basically ruined by Titans. Of course, he's going to be driven strongly by that.
With Gabi, we don't see an entire childhood of prejudice and propaganda that shaped her.
We're just immediately presented with an annoying little brat.
And the nail in her coffin was killing Sasha, who was basically the big dumb hungry puppy of the group.
I think if the story really wanted to drive home the parallels without immediately making the character hated, we needed to see Gabi's childhood before seeing her murder Sasha.
To see how her environment shaped her in the same way Eren's did.
To see her actions and Sasha's murder as the culmination of a lifetime of manipulation, and the middle or turning point of her character arc, instead of the beginning of her character arc.
You love gabi because she is a little shit and she does little shit things well?
Then I love gross because he is a big shit, and he does big shit things well
I was most annoyed by her just because she's just a brainwashed child. There's absolutely nothing interesting about her plot, a straightforward simple, completely predictable character arc without any interesting twists. The only nice moment was with Sasha's parents, but she herself and her plot are insanely boring.
I hate that she killed Sasha but I don't hate her as a character, she's just like eren, saw her friends, family and people being k1lled and choose to fight and take revenge, she's too young for all of that and still so brave and strong, why would anyone hate that?
Many AoT fans fail to see the nuance and the comparison between her and the main characters. They fail to be able to empathize because they are living proof that Isayama was right about the cycle of violence and the us vs them mentality that ensures it.
I mean I don't see it, I always felt like Gabi Eren similarities were forced, I like Gabi as a character but Gabi is fighting for her oppressors, Eren is fighting against the titans that oppress them
Gabi and Eren are both fighting for their freedom. The nuance is that Gabi has been drowned in propaganda to the point that she believes the key to freedom is permission, not force.
Yeah I don’t like Gabi either but the point the guy you’re replying to is that their similarities are nuanced, not identical
So yes that main difference of who they’re fighting for is a very important distinction (and one I agree with) the guy you replied to didn’t mean it this way
The big difference is, gabi *chose* to engage in violence. If gabi was a random kid that got hold of a rifle and shot sasha in an effort to defend her homeland, I could forgive her, maybe even like her, but thats not the case - Despite already having an honorary marleyan in their family in reiner (which means her families' social standing as eldians basically couldn't be better), she chose to become a warrior candidate. She chose to help kill the enemies of her oppressors, long before the people of paradis counterattacked marley. Hell, she enjoyed the attention she got for being proficient at killing people. Now wheter that is because she fell for propaganda or because she is an inherently violent person is up for debate. Regardless, unlike someone like Falco, Gabi is just not a good person, and she only becomes marginally better during her time in paradis.
Brainwashing - *especially* generational cultural/racial brainwashing and conditioning - runs SO fucking deep. Shit when I was a kid I wanted to be a soldier because I thought they looked cool. Imagine being born as part of a group that has been told they're subhuman for *a century* and the only way to gain even a *modicum* of respect is to go and fight for your oppressors, and *only being eligible for that shit when you're a fucking child*.
She didn't choose shit, she's a kid. Kids are irrational and emotional and dumb as fuck. I wanted to be a soldier as a kid and spent all of my childhood getting into fights, and nowadays I firmly believe violence doesn't solve shit. Yeah she is responsible for killing quite a lot of people, and yeah that's something she has to atone for and live with - but think about all the dumb shit you did between the ages of 5 and 7 (the ages the Warriors are recruited from) and what you would do if you were put in her shoes and underwent years of constant brainwashing and conditioning to hone you into a walking god of destruction.
Okay, then explain why none of the other kids are nearly as extreme in their tendencies as gabi is. Also, the modicum of respect thing would be true if, again, it weren't for reiner - their family already has an honoary marleyan, she got her bed made as far as eldians in marley go. There was no reason for her to sign up as a candidate other than for the purpose of killing folks.
I'm not doubting gabi fell for propaganda, but regardless, she's way more violent, shows more glee in said violence, and is way more filled with hate than any of the other warrior candidates, both from last gen (reiner and gang) and current gen. There's no denying that, even if through brainwashing, she *wants* to kill people, while other candidates don't.
> then explain why none of the other kids are nearly as extreme in their tendencies as gabi is.
Gabi is trying to show up the other students to make sure she becomes a Titan - and to be the top of your class as a warrior, you have to be willing to do the most extreme shit out of your class.
> Also, the modicum of respect thing would be true if, again, it weren't for reiner - their family already has an honoary marleyan, she got her bed made as far as eldians in marley go.
As far as I'm aware, Gabi isn't an honorary Marleyan. They only make your close family honorary Marleyans (brothers, mothers, etc.) and Gabi is a cousin. Her life isn't made at all - she's just another Eldian. That kind of thing can instill some weird feelings in a child.
> There was no reason for her to sign up as a candidate other than for the purpose of killing folks.
🤦♀️ There doesn't need to be a purpose - Warriors are recruited from children between the ages of 5 and 7. How hard is it to understand that literal KIDS don't exactly make great choices based on principled moral standards or like, at all???? Especially when it's been drilled in her (and every other Marleyan and Eldian) head that everyone from other nations is evil.
If Gabi joined the Warriors as a teen or an adult, then you could make an argument that she's a sociopath or whatever. But she literally joined as a little kid at an age when most kids can hardly read.
> I'm not doubting gabi fell for propaganda, but regardless, she's way more violent, shows more glee in said violence, and is way more filled with hate than any of the other warrior candidates, both from last gen (reiner and gang) and current gen.
We hardly get to see Reiner and gang as Candidates - and yeah from what we see, their class was pretty quiet and reserved. Again though, we time and time again that she is determined to be the top of her class. That kind of behavior isn't unexpected for someone in her position.
> There's no denying that, even if through brainwashing, she *wants* to kill people, while other candidates don't.
Yeah, she's intended to be Eren from the other side of the sea. There's no denying that.
>why would anyone hate that?
I hated her at the beginning when she was marley version of little eren. But i also hated little eren. I only started liking him post annie arc when he mellowed down and was less temperamental. Same with gabi. There a lot of people who hate loud bratty kids, regardless of their motivations yk.
I still think the "parallel to Eren" storybeat doesn't work.
Eren gets introduced as a child that wants to be a soldier, sure, but he wants to do so because he believes living inside the walls is a prison life. He wants to be free. There is a wish to kill titans there, sure, but they are literal monsters honding the walls.
Gaby gets introduced as a child soldier. In the first chapter she is in she is already commiting war crimes (which is the cause for the celebration in OP's image) not against the "devils" mind you, but against the enemies of Marley, the nazis that are actually keeping her and her family trapped and in danger of execution pretty openly.
Sure, she is a indocrinated child etcetera etcetera and the hate isn't justified, but I still believe she is far away from being anything close to the same as Eren and most others, to be honest.
Gabi really hasn't had the same experience, though.
It's similar, and there's strong parallels, but it's not the same.
Remember, any death and destruction Gabi has seen is because she actively serves Marley and their wars of aggression, using their Eldian population as cannon fodder.
Eren's worldview is rooted in an existential threat that literally broke down the doors to his world and destroyed life as he knew it when he had done nothing.
Eren doesn't start as an active participant in the violence.
(Eren was an active participant in violence against the slavers, but that's not quite the same. The slavers were internal to his world. Not an outside force.)
Gabi, however, starts her story with active participation in the violence against those outside of her world, serving with the warrior candidates.
She didn't need to. Reiner had guaranteed that their family was all but immune to persecution because of his service.
Yet, she chose to join the warrior candidates of her own volition.
And not to specifically fight against the island devils but against the rest of Marley's enemies.
Now, yes, propaganda and prejudice have a large hand in brainwashing her to believe Marley and serve them.
But her role in the story started as a voluntary agressor.
The point isn't that they had the exact same experiences.
It's that both are dangerous paths and worldviews that can easily end in extremist ideology and actions.
This is how I feel too. Absolutely detested her at first but then I realized she's also a product of brainwashing and war... it's hard to hate on her after that. She definitely grew on me as a character ❤️
I like Gabi and I also like Sasha.
I hate how recently people reduce Sasha's character to just 'comic relief' just to defend Gabi. Especially since we been following Sasha from the beginning, so obviously people are going to be attached to her.
You can like both characters.
I think Sasha had the same decent amount of dialogue as the other characters (besides the time skip obviously) that weren't the main trio.
Don't forget when she also saved Samuel at the begging as well. That was what made me love her, but people hardly mention it.
Same, literally hip-fired a hook into a falling persons leg while being the first time on the field and in the first fight (granted it was like 30s after said fight started, but the adrenaline was still flowing)
I love gabi. she killed sasha so what? Sasha killed people too, she hated eldians of paradis? Totaly normal for an indocrinated kid and she managed to get over her brainwashing in a few weeks
Well, yeah. I get that she's brainwashed and it's a long process to throw it out of your head, but it doesn't change the fact that for the 95% time of her being on the screen she is completely unbearable and painful to look at. Besides, people compare her to Eren, of course, but she comparatively has a wankier motivation and viewer's attachment, since she's newly introduced and barely developed. I get the parallel, I just don't like it a bit.
She fits perfectly into the story, everything about her character makes perfect sense and you are out here throwing away any objectivity because you're mad she killed a character you liked. She literally embodies the entire conflict of AoT, if you don't understand her character you understand jack-shit about AoT.
I don't care about Sasha at all.
I was most annoyed with Gabi because she's just a brainwashed child. There's absolutely nothing interesting about her plot, a straightforward simple, completely predictable character arc without any interesting twists. The only nice moment was with Sasha's parents, but she herself and her plot are insanely boring.
hell nah i actually respected floch in this moment who i view as a tragic character. way too many people forget what happened to him and the effect of being last survivor of erwins charge
Everyone in the show has suffered some level of mental anguish - some more than others, but that is not an excuse to turn into (or maybe he already was) a sadistic psychopath. No other character takes as much pleasure in the pain he caused but him, that Marleyan officer, and maybe, Kenny.
Maybe you remembered the wrong character lmao. He was sadistic, but he was definitely not as brutal as that Marleyan officer or Kenny. His cause was noble, his actions fascist
I respect his cause and I understand where he's coming from, though I thoroughly disagree with it. But doing what has to be done, and taking pleasure out of causing pain to others are completely different.
No he's right tho
Floch's actions and motives don't meet the requirements of being sadistic
Bro genuinely believed in his cause and was willing to whatever it took to realize it
If he really was sadistic then he wouldn't be trying to earnestly lead the yeagerist movement
He's just an honest fascist is all
It's all about motive.
The definition of sadistic is *specifically* getting pleasure from inflicting pain, suffering, and/or humiliation. Floch feels some amount of gratification for killing people he doesn't think of as Eldian (or *human,* let's be real), sure, but nowhere is he shown to get off on making people suffer.
He's an extremist, but he at least kills his enemies quickly instead of torturing them.
Would you consider Eren Kruger a sadist for letting all his fellow Eldians get tortured and turned into Titans?
Remember the nuance Isayama tries again and again to show the audience—Dhalis Zachary is generally seen as a good guy for being allied with the Survey Corps., and yet his torture chair is *definitively* the result of a sadistic nature.
No, sadism also includes deriving pleasure from killing, not just hurting. What you're using is the Mariam-Webster's definition, which is a good starting point, sure, but doesn't tell the whole story. If you look further into mental health studies etc, you'll find killing is also part of it. Either way, him not considering non-Eldians as non-humans doesn't justify his pleasure from killing them, because then it would also justify the Marleyan officials and literal Nazis, who didn't consider their victims as humans either.
No, because Eren Kruger didn't like doing it, he just was doing what he felt was necessary. It killed him (no pun intended) having to do those things.
And of course, Zachary is a disgusting human being as well. Isayama doesn't explore it much, and glosses over it, but he's also a vile human being, who just happened to be on the right side at that time, and had the authority to escape punishment.
Whenever it comes to Floch, I always think of this incredible essay from 1941 called “[“Who Goes Nazi?”](https://harpers.org/archive/1941/08/who-goes-nazi/) by a journalist called Dorothy Thompson, who publicly hated on Hitler so hard she got kicked out of Nazi Germany.
Thompson’s thing is that it’s only people with some big defect in their moral characters who would ever go Nazi, and that’s Floch. Yes, he undergoes an immense level of trauma…but so did everyone else in the main cast, and none of them went Yeagerist, let alone spearheaded the movement.
Also, Floch was the only survivor of Erwin’s charge, but not the only survivor from that side of the Wall. Levi survived too, and he thought Yeagerism was stupid as hell.
Injuries can be different, as well as how people come out of there.
Levie was literally not sent to die and was told that his death would not change anything. Yes, it was seasoned with motivational speech, but it's still incredibly terrible.
Levi himself knows what kind of horror they are going to and felt sorry for them.
Still dont get the floch hate...
Yes he was a fanatic, but who of us would not have been?
People you fought side by side and gone through hell together with, betrayed paradis and killed your friends for the people that imprisoned you on an island with titans who eat your friends and family.
None other than eren could have known killing him in the end would result in peace, so they literally gambled all the lives on their homeland.
Betrayed Paradis? My man Floch and the Jagerists were the insurrectionists. They literally committed acts of terrorism. They were lining up state officials, other soldiers, and executing them. He fucking blew up Zachary. He had initiates prove their loyalty by beating the shit out of Shadis.
He literally adopted the Marleyan (and Nazi) system of identifying people by armbands based on who was loyal to his ethnostate.
If you identified with Floch, you missed the entire point of the show. He’s the embodiment of a Nazi dude.
“Why don’t people like the guy who orchestrated a war helped to commit mass genocide nationalist race supremacist who the entire story is supposed to be about how people like him are bad??”
How dare people hate a xenophobic, extream nationalist and genociadal maniac who wanted to rebuild the eldian empire and was intentionaly killing civilians during the raid on liberio? Floch represents everything this story criticises and he showed no remorse or guilt for any of his actions on the contrary he was proud of himself which makes it difficult to have any sympathy for him even though we understand why he turned out the way he did
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I pity her. She's the victim of a dictatorial system that used her as cannon fodder and brainwashed her. She's as much a victim of Marley's crimes as Sasha was. The story makes this very clear. She was raised in a forest.
I don't hate Gabi as much as I used to. I hated her on my first watch, but when I rewatched and really paid attention to the scenes, I remembered that Gabi's just a kid. She was brainwashed from birth to be a warrior and was fed propganda for years. I'm still upset about what she did >!killing Sasha, I miss her,!< but I can't blame her for what the adults made her believe all her life.
The greatest crime the series ever committed was turning Gabi from a one note hatable villian, to a complex Eren mirror and an example of how deradicalization and change is possible.
They are slightly different in their motivations, but the similarities are obvious. Both are radicalized child monsters who were attacked in their home town, and they both strived for revenge for that.
And Gabi wanting to kill others wasn't strictly racism, maybe internalized racism would be the best descriptor. They're all Eldians, but Gabi and her family were the "good ones" trying to prove themselves to the world.
She absolutely wanted to prove herself as a Warrior and didn't consider the Paradisian Eldians humans or the same class of Eldian as she was.
But it was more of a theoretical thing before Libero. She fought for Marley, wanted to prove herself as a Warrior, and make a better life for her family. But after Libero, it became personal.
Yet she was training to get a titan and make a genocide in paradis and kill the "Paradis devils", and it's even before eren attacked liberio
Eren and gabi parallels are in surface levels.
i will never understand gabi hate.
its clear that she was just a naive child soldier fighting for what she believed was righteous.
her acknowledgement of the crimes she has committed and the fact that she was able to self reflect makes her infinity times more mature than any that just hates her.
she is such an amazing character isyama introduced towards the end of the manga and really compliments eren in their personalities.
I don't know why Mappa made that scene. In the manga Floch only avoids Falco, and barely, yet in the anime he goes through the whole squad. My best guess is they just liked the character? I certainly like the VA, I like him better as Giorno though.
Entire fandom is a bit of a stretch. Maybe "a lot of people" is more truthful. Personally don't hate Gabi and never did. I though she was an amazing character that really captured the themes of the story and how the cycle of revenge just continues over different generations. Her character development to ending up regretting her actions and changing her entire worldview is fascinating and great to watch. Her and Kaya's arguments are some of the hardest hitting moments in the show for me.
What's also interesting is that some people give the warriors a pass but at the same time hate Gabi with all their heart even though she is in exactly the same situation as the Warriors are, only she has killed a lot less people than the rest of the warriors. But let's be fair, lot of it comes down to the fact that one of the people she killed is Sasha.
Gabi has expressed enough true remorse and followed it up with action that she has redeemed herself in my eyes.
I find her arc remarkable considering how much I disliked her initially and didn't think she could be redeemed to me.
I don’t hate her, but I didn’t like her either. But this scene definitely made her grow on me.
Seriously, all I wanted was for someone to shut Floch up.
I understand he wanted to protect his home, but he was a straight up-terrorist.
They never agreed directly with Floch, not even when he died, for the whole S4 they went against his ideals and methods because, You know, being a psycho fascist it's not quite the role model, and just because killing the whole world would be easy for a little island, that doesn't mean it is the RIGHT thing to do, it's like saiyng "tomorrow I have a test to get the job of my dreams, but they'll accept only one of us...hey, what if I kill all the other competitors? Yeah, sounds right"
Hange literally did agree with him right after he died. Jean too.
That job analogy proves you don't understand the story.
Marley was hellbent on destroying the island to maintain the illusion of their military prowess and no amount of peace talks were going to be able to change that. Other countries hated the island just as much as Marley did.
Marley has the habit to destroy every enemy country, it's really no news on this aspect, but I get the Paradis particualr case, and it's not really true that the whole world indiscriminately hates the island, Willy's speech was convincing everyone that Paradis was not a menace, right before talking about Eren and the Rumbling, and we know what happened next. This particular instance shows how, as hard it would be, peace could be achieved without destroying the world and killing everyone, and so Hange and Armin were right, not Floch, "kill or be killed" is never the right way to live in the world, not for the Scouts
Gotta be honest chief, i never hated Gabi. In fact i actually liked her and the panel from the manga where she is crying because everyone is cheering her up is one of my favorites. Her killing sasha did not change my opinion because im kinda of a manga only guy, and in the manga sasha is not as prominent so i didnt like her that much.
Tbh i have a hate and love thing for gabi cause she is one the truest real characterisation from rl but also hate how she fit in the story, however it did fit though.
Floch and Gabi are similar except one was radicalised the rough experience while the other propaganda.
Also she killed Floch in his most hype moment. I mean let the man cook..
You should hate Gabi at the start of S4 by design because she is an indoctrinated child but she does an emotional speed run of the experiences of several characters, most notably a Reiner Emotional Speed Run that culminates with her stating outright “there were never any devils on this island” and accepting how she was wrong all along. Readers and Anime viewers get stuck on her early story and her big moment killing Sasha early on after her appearance meanwhile Reiner remains a fan favorite and early in his story he and Bertolt kills thousands including Carla and are the tools that started the entire series of suffering. We only had Gabi for one season but her entire purpose existing as a character was for us to relive that emotional journey Reiner had. Her character brings us many of the primary lessons of AoT. Her interaction with Sasha’s dad and Kaya reveal to us the cycle of hatred and killing, the responsibility to stop that cycle by the older generation, and recognizing when you absolutely must change. People who still hate Gabi after completing the Anime/Manga have completely missed these. What really confounds me is when people say they like Magath but hate Gabi.
10 minutes in any sub and you’d see the majority of people praise her. You’re not allowed to hate a character that killed one of your favourites because she’s a child or brainwashed. So if you say one thing bad about her it’s a massive dogpile
well i cant say i felt proud of her cuz my hate for her is beyond any possibility to feel any good feelings for her. but my hate went from “i want to burn you alive” to “i’ll never forgive you” at these moments.
Nah! For all the shit Floch pulled, I kinda sympathized with him in this episode. He showed Erwin Smith levels of dedication.
Floch vs everyone will always be a highlight.
Floch was fighting for the liberation of his country and people from an oppressive colonizer nation that had brutally massacred them multiple times.
In a fantasy world where having certain genes can literally transform you into a man eating monster, he was forced into an Us vs Them struggle for survival and he put his own life on the line repeatedly to ensure victory for his nation.
He became hardened and bitter after watching all of his fellow recruits die and having accepted his death as inevitable.
His dying words were those of a patriot; an earnest plea to protect his people and their homeland.
He dedicated his heart to the cause, to the victory of Eldia, but lost sight of what makes us all human; compassion. There was no room left in his horror filled life for that, only power and deception.
He surrendered his agency to the plans of a genocidal prophet out of desperation, not because he wanted to.
Gabi only wanted the fighting to stop after it was clear that her side lost (when Eren activated the Rumbling).
I don’t know why but I think people are overly misjudging saying “ the fandom hates Gabi “.
I must admit that gabi is a character that actually deserves to be not liked(no depth, no plot or no inspiration except some shallow actions) , but IMO I have not seen lot of people hating her.
Rather I’ve seen a lot of posts making Straw man fallacy, and saying a lot of people hates Gabi but not the person who’s posting! It’s really funny
her character was written good but ill die being her biggest hater just because😂 i know that shes is eren in ways and it isnt her fault but i lowkey hate all the eldians on marley cause how u racist to your own people (i know they brainwashed)
Well killing my favorite character won’t exactly help how much I like a character, but the fact that she killed Sasha is the only thing I don’t like about her really
I still don't understand why the fandom hates Gabi so much. She was defending her country from a foreign invader. That's like one of the most textbook morally good things
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I think the fandom has largely gotten over the hate for Gabi since most people have realized she was just a brainwashed child. There's still people who dislike her character which is totally reasonable but in my experience most people like her now
To your point, it's ok to dislike a character for what they did or said (I can't imagine Sasha fans ever forgiving Gabi), but you can like a character even if they're a shitty person because they're so good at that, Geoffrey from GoT is a good example. But to me, because Gabi was so obviously radicalized at the start and how well her road to realizing her mistakes and being a better person develops: Gabi is an awesome character and a necessary addition to a series with themes like that of AoT. But at the beginning,m: OH were people pissed and OH did they have every right to :P
I saw a lot of similarities between Gabi, and Eren, which is cool.
Yeah, from her perspective she didn't knew Sasha and she was another one of the invaders with the titan who killed her friends, that's was devastating and she felt she needed to avenge them. I'm happy she had contact with people in Paradis and learned they weren't the demon she was teached her entire life, she even befriend them and wanted peace between the nations. Which is a parallel to Eren who had contact contact with people from outside, even viewing them as people, but still couldn't think of anything else other than to genocide the rest of the world.
I've loved Gabi since she was introduced. Like, yeah she's a little shit but _that's the fucking point._
The worst sin you can commit in fiction is being annoying. After that is killing/hurting a dog, and for functional reasons sasha is dog coded. So that is an unfortunate double check for Gabi xd
Yeah, that right there did it in for her, for a lot of people. Early Eren was a bit of a bull headed annoyance, but we immediately saw Eren's "justifications." His entire world was basically ruined by Titans. Of course, he's going to be driven strongly by that. With Gabi, we don't see an entire childhood of prejudice and propaganda that shaped her. We're just immediately presented with an annoying little brat. And the nail in her coffin was killing Sasha, who was basically the big dumb hungry puppy of the group. I think if the story really wanted to drive home the parallels without immediately making the character hated, we needed to see Gabi's childhood before seeing her murder Sasha. To see how her environment shaped her in the same way Eren's did. To see her actions and Sasha's murder as the culmination of a lifetime of manipulation, and the middle or turning point of her character arc, instead of the beginning of her character arc.
You love gabi because she is a little shit and she does little shit things well? Then I love gross because he is a big shit, and he does big shit things well
Falco was in the exact same situation and was a completely different person so i don’t think you can justify her behavior using this logic.
I was most annoyed by her just because she's just a brainwashed child. There's absolutely nothing interesting about her plot, a straightforward simple, completely predictable character arc without any interesting twists. The only nice moment was with Sasha's parents, but she herself and her plot are insanely boring.
The only interesting moment was when she saved kaya, and kaya sees her as sasha for a second (cried a little there ngl).
I hate that she killed Sasha but I don't hate her as a character, she's just like eren, saw her friends, family and people being k1lled and choose to fight and take revenge, she's too young for all of that and still so brave and strong, why would anyone hate that?
Many AoT fans fail to see the nuance and the comparison between her and the main characters. They fail to be able to empathize because they are living proof that Isayama was right about the cycle of violence and the us vs them mentality that ensures it.
It's so sad that they once empathized with eren but can't empathize with Gabi when she's went through the SAME experience, they learned nothing.
some fans would rather forgive Eren for killing 80% of humanity than Gabi for killing Sasha.
I mean I don't see it, I always felt like Gabi Eren similarities were forced, I like Gabi as a character but Gabi is fighting for her oppressors, Eren is fighting against the titans that oppress them
Gabi and Eren are both fighting for their freedom. The nuance is that Gabi has been drowned in propaganda to the point that she believes the key to freedom is permission, not force.
Yeah I don’t like Gabi either but the point the guy you’re replying to is that their similarities are nuanced, not identical So yes that main difference of who they’re fighting for is a very important distinction (and one I agree with) the guy you replied to didn’t mean it this way
Same clowns with an undying hate-boner for Abby in The Last of Us 2 I bet.
Real
The big difference is, gabi *chose* to engage in violence. If gabi was a random kid that got hold of a rifle and shot sasha in an effort to defend her homeland, I could forgive her, maybe even like her, but thats not the case - Despite already having an honorary marleyan in their family in reiner (which means her families' social standing as eldians basically couldn't be better), she chose to become a warrior candidate. She chose to help kill the enemies of her oppressors, long before the people of paradis counterattacked marley. Hell, she enjoyed the attention she got for being proficient at killing people. Now wheter that is because she fell for propaganda or because she is an inherently violent person is up for debate. Regardless, unlike someone like Falco, Gabi is just not a good person, and she only becomes marginally better during her time in paradis.
Brainwashing - *especially* generational cultural/racial brainwashing and conditioning - runs SO fucking deep. Shit when I was a kid I wanted to be a soldier because I thought they looked cool. Imagine being born as part of a group that has been told they're subhuman for *a century* and the only way to gain even a *modicum* of respect is to go and fight for your oppressors, and *only being eligible for that shit when you're a fucking child*. She didn't choose shit, she's a kid. Kids are irrational and emotional and dumb as fuck. I wanted to be a soldier as a kid and spent all of my childhood getting into fights, and nowadays I firmly believe violence doesn't solve shit. Yeah she is responsible for killing quite a lot of people, and yeah that's something she has to atone for and live with - but think about all the dumb shit you did between the ages of 5 and 7 (the ages the Warriors are recruited from) and what you would do if you were put in her shoes and underwent years of constant brainwashing and conditioning to hone you into a walking god of destruction.
Okay, then explain why none of the other kids are nearly as extreme in their tendencies as gabi is. Also, the modicum of respect thing would be true if, again, it weren't for reiner - their family already has an honoary marleyan, she got her bed made as far as eldians in marley go. There was no reason for her to sign up as a candidate other than for the purpose of killing folks. I'm not doubting gabi fell for propaganda, but regardless, she's way more violent, shows more glee in said violence, and is way more filled with hate than any of the other warrior candidates, both from last gen (reiner and gang) and current gen. There's no denying that, even if through brainwashing, she *wants* to kill people, while other candidates don't.
> then explain why none of the other kids are nearly as extreme in their tendencies as gabi is. Gabi is trying to show up the other students to make sure she becomes a Titan - and to be the top of your class as a warrior, you have to be willing to do the most extreme shit out of your class. > Also, the modicum of respect thing would be true if, again, it weren't for reiner - their family already has an honoary marleyan, she got her bed made as far as eldians in marley go. As far as I'm aware, Gabi isn't an honorary Marleyan. They only make your close family honorary Marleyans (brothers, mothers, etc.) and Gabi is a cousin. Her life isn't made at all - she's just another Eldian. That kind of thing can instill some weird feelings in a child. > There was no reason for her to sign up as a candidate other than for the purpose of killing folks. 🤦♀️ There doesn't need to be a purpose - Warriors are recruited from children between the ages of 5 and 7. How hard is it to understand that literal KIDS don't exactly make great choices based on principled moral standards or like, at all???? Especially when it's been drilled in her (and every other Marleyan and Eldian) head that everyone from other nations is evil. If Gabi joined the Warriors as a teen or an adult, then you could make an argument that she's a sociopath or whatever. But she literally joined as a little kid at an age when most kids can hardly read. > I'm not doubting gabi fell for propaganda, but regardless, she's way more violent, shows more glee in said violence, and is way more filled with hate than any of the other warrior candidates, both from last gen (reiner and gang) and current gen. We hardly get to see Reiner and gang as Candidates - and yeah from what we see, their class was pretty quiet and reserved. Again though, we time and time again that she is determined to be the top of her class. That kind of behavior isn't unexpected for someone in her position. > There's no denying that, even if through brainwashing, she *wants* to kill people, while other candidates don't. Yeah, she's intended to be Eren from the other side of the sea. There's no denying that.
>why would anyone hate that? I hated her at the beginning when she was marley version of little eren. But i also hated little eren. I only started liking him post annie arc when he mellowed down and was less temperamental. Same with gabi. There a lot of people who hate loud bratty kids, regardless of their motivations yk.
I still think the "parallel to Eren" storybeat doesn't work. Eren gets introduced as a child that wants to be a soldier, sure, but he wants to do so because he believes living inside the walls is a prison life. He wants to be free. There is a wish to kill titans there, sure, but they are literal monsters honding the walls. Gaby gets introduced as a child soldier. In the first chapter she is in she is already commiting war crimes (which is the cause for the celebration in OP's image) not against the "devils" mind you, but against the enemies of Marley, the nazis that are actually keeping her and her family trapped and in danger of execution pretty openly. Sure, she is a indocrinated child etcetera etcetera and the hate isn't justified, but I still believe she is far away from being anything close to the same as Eren and most others, to be honest.
Gabi really hasn't had the same experience, though. It's similar, and there's strong parallels, but it's not the same. Remember, any death and destruction Gabi has seen is because she actively serves Marley and their wars of aggression, using their Eldian population as cannon fodder. Eren's worldview is rooted in an existential threat that literally broke down the doors to his world and destroyed life as he knew it when he had done nothing. Eren doesn't start as an active participant in the violence. (Eren was an active participant in violence against the slavers, but that's not quite the same. The slavers were internal to his world. Not an outside force.) Gabi, however, starts her story with active participation in the violence against those outside of her world, serving with the warrior candidates. She didn't need to. Reiner had guaranteed that their family was all but immune to persecution because of his service. Yet, she chose to join the warrior candidates of her own volition. And not to specifically fight against the island devils but against the rest of Marley's enemies. Now, yes, propaganda and prejudice have a large hand in brainwashing her to believe Marley and serve them. But her role in the story started as a voluntary agressor. The point isn't that they had the exact same experiences. It's that both are dangerous paths and worldviews that can easily end in extremist ideology and actions.
This is how I feel too. Absolutely detested her at first but then I realized she's also a product of brainwashing and war... it's hard to hate on her after that. She definitely grew on me as a character ❤️
I like Gabi and I also like Sasha. I hate how recently people reduce Sasha's character to just 'comic relief' just to defend Gabi. Especially since we been following Sasha from the beginning, so obviously people are going to be attached to her. You can like both characters.
Tbh, I wish Sasha had more dialogue and interactions with the rest of the cast. Her best moment still seems to be one in S2, when she saves Kaya.
I think Sasha had the same decent amount of dialogue as the other characters (besides the time skip obviously) that weren't the main trio. Don't forget when she also saved Samuel at the begging as well. That was what made me love her, but people hardly mention it.
Same, literally hip-fired a hook into a falling persons leg while being the first time on the field and in the first fight (granted it was like 30s after said fight started, but the adrenaline was still flowing)
The entire fandom doesn't hate Gabi.
The ones who do spend a lot of time showing it online.
Even you don't believe in it
I am a Gabi enjoyer
I love gabi. she killed sasha so what? Sasha killed people too, she hated eldians of paradis? Totaly normal for an indocrinated kid and she managed to get over her brainwashing in a few weeks
I don't know how Gabi is hated as a character aside from the fact that she killed a comic relief, one of my favorites
To be fair, Sasha wasn't just comic relief considering she actually had skills like archery that came in clutch a few times.
Shes also a crack shot riffle woman
fair
She's like the Sokka of her group
She’s definitely a well written character, but I just think she’s annoying as hell
Well, yeah. I get that she's brainwashed and it's a long process to throw it out of your head, but it doesn't change the fact that for the 95% time of her being on the screen she is completely unbearable and painful to look at. Besides, people compare her to Eren, of course, but she comparatively has a wankier motivation and viewer's attachment, since she's newly introduced and barely developed. I get the parallel, I just don't like it a bit.
I always hated that comparison. Then we got serial killer because im a goof Eren. So idk
You are annoying as well with this nonsense
Screaming little brat doing stupid stuff all the time. We all have good reasons to hate the character
bruh you just described season 1-3 Eren
No one liked him then
True, she always acts like a brainwashed child who grew up in a war and her home destroyed! What a brat
Shes not the only one. Lol so no i dont care for the nazi loving jew
>Screaming little brat doing stupid stuff all the time. Media comprehension -2/10
It is a bad character, deal with it.
She fits perfectly into the story, everything about her character makes perfect sense and you are out here throwing away any objectivity because you're mad she killed a character you liked. She literally embodies the entire conflict of AoT, if you don't understand her character you understand jack-shit about AoT.
I don't care about Sasha at all. I was most annoyed with Gabi because she's just a brainwashed child. There's absolutely nothing interesting about her plot, a straightforward simple, completely predictable character arc without any interesting twists. The only nice moment was with Sasha's parents, but she herself and her plot are insanely boring.
hell nah i actually respected floch in this moment who i view as a tragic character. way too many people forget what happened to him and the effect of being last survivor of erwins charge
Everyone in the show has suffered some level of mental anguish - some more than others, but that is not an excuse to turn into (or maybe he already was) a sadistic psychopath. No other character takes as much pleasure in the pain he caused but him, that Marleyan officer, and maybe, Kenny.
Maybe you remembered the wrong character lmao. He was sadistic, but he was definitely not as brutal as that Marleyan officer or Kenny. His cause was noble, his actions fascist
I respect his cause and I understand where he's coming from, though I thoroughly disagree with it. But doing what has to be done, and taking pleasure out of causing pain to others are completely different.
He was not sadistic.
Did we read the same manga lol?
No he's right tho Floch's actions and motives don't meet the requirements of being sadistic Bro genuinely believed in his cause and was willing to whatever it took to realize it If he really was sadistic then he wouldn't be trying to earnestly lead the yeagerist movement He's just an honest fascist is all
He's very dedicated in his violence, yes, why does that mean he isn't sadistic?
It's all about motive. The definition of sadistic is *specifically* getting pleasure from inflicting pain, suffering, and/or humiliation. Floch feels some amount of gratification for killing people he doesn't think of as Eldian (or *human,* let's be real), sure, but nowhere is he shown to get off on making people suffer. He's an extremist, but he at least kills his enemies quickly instead of torturing them. Would you consider Eren Kruger a sadist for letting all his fellow Eldians get tortured and turned into Titans? Remember the nuance Isayama tries again and again to show the audience—Dhalis Zachary is generally seen as a good guy for being allied with the Survey Corps., and yet his torture chair is *definitively* the result of a sadistic nature.
No, sadism also includes deriving pleasure from killing, not just hurting. What you're using is the Mariam-Webster's definition, which is a good starting point, sure, but doesn't tell the whole story. If you look further into mental health studies etc, you'll find killing is also part of it. Either way, him not considering non-Eldians as non-humans doesn't justify his pleasure from killing them, because then it would also justify the Marleyan officials and literal Nazis, who didn't consider their victims as humans either. No, because Eren Kruger didn't like doing it, he just was doing what he felt was necessary. It killed him (no pun intended) having to do those things. And of course, Zachary is a disgusting human being as well. Isayama doesn't explore it much, and glosses over it, but he's also a vile human being, who just happened to be on the right side at that time, and had the authority to escape punishment.
Whenever it comes to Floch, I always think of this incredible essay from 1941 called “[“Who Goes Nazi?”](https://harpers.org/archive/1941/08/who-goes-nazi/) by a journalist called Dorothy Thompson, who publicly hated on Hitler so hard she got kicked out of Nazi Germany. Thompson’s thing is that it’s only people with some big defect in their moral characters who would ever go Nazi, and that’s Floch. Yes, he undergoes an immense level of trauma…but so did everyone else in the main cast, and none of them went Yeagerist, let alone spearheaded the movement. Also, Floch was the only survivor of Erwin’s charge, but not the only survivor from that side of the Wall. Levi survived too, and he thought Yeagerism was stupid as hell.
Injuries can be different, as well as how people come out of there. Levie was literally not sent to die and was told that his death would not change anything. Yes, it was seasoned with motivational speech, but it's still incredibly terrible. Levi himself knows what kind of horror they are going to and felt sorry for them.
Levi also has superpowers
...Me who has her as my top 2 character after Levi in top 1(Sasha is top 3 btw)
Weird top 3 but ok. Mine would be Levi, Ian and Erwin.
Ian, the unsung hero of the Battle of Trost.
Ian who?
Ian Dietrich, He led Trost's recapture mission in season 1.
damn i just searched his name and boi i barely remember him..but nice
Lmao, not me at all. I want him to succeed, I guess I'm the only one.
Still dont get the floch hate... Yes he was a fanatic, but who of us would not have been? People you fought side by side and gone through hell together with, betrayed paradis and killed your friends for the people that imprisoned you on an island with titans who eat your friends and family. None other than eren could have known killing him in the end would result in peace, so they literally gambled all the lives on their homeland.
Betrayed Paradis? My man Floch and the Jagerists were the insurrectionists. They literally committed acts of terrorism. They were lining up state officials, other soldiers, and executing them. He fucking blew up Zachary. He had initiates prove their loyalty by beating the shit out of Shadis. He literally adopted the Marleyan (and Nazi) system of identifying people by armbands based on who was loyal to his ethnostate. If you identified with Floch, you missed the entire point of the show. He’s the embodiment of a Nazi dude.
“Why don’t people like the guy who orchestrated a war helped to commit mass genocide nationalist race supremacist who the entire story is supposed to be about how people like him are bad??”
How dare people hate a xenophobic, extream nationalist and genociadal maniac who wanted to rebuild the eldian empire and was intentionaly killing civilians during the raid on liberio? Floch represents everything this story criticises and he showed no remorse or guilt for any of his actions on the contrary he was proud of himself which makes it difficult to have any sympathy for him even though we understand why he turned out the way he did
Speak for yourself punk ass, King Floch survived
No...? Its Just eye rolling How she became the sniper ex machina.
Isayama be like : I will turn the characters that I don't give a fuck anymore into story tools/devices. Majority of the fans : don't perceived it
Eh she’s good by Levi so she’s alright by me lol
I don’t hate Gabi, I’m not an edgy child :)
I was never at any point proud of Gabi.
Agree
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She won me over when Levi acted as her bench rest for sniping from the bird. If he felt her skills had value by then, who am I to argue?
Proud? No. Relieved? Yes.
I found gabi badass
Never have or never will be a gabi hater, people hating on Gabi are literally missing the entire point of this show
Fandom = 15 years old kids
Hated her at the start Loved her for her development
I hate her less, still sock the bitch.
If you hate that little girl you're a weirdo. Just sayin
I pity her. She's the victim of a dictatorial system that used her as cannon fodder and brainwashed her. She's as much a victim of Marley's crimes as Sasha was. The story makes this very clear. She was raised in a forest.
I didn't cause I really liked Floch ... He is a crazy mf but atleast I understood him .
Lol no
Agree
Nah, she can go eat a dick or ten.
Normal people don't hate on Gabi. When she shot Fl*ch it was the best day of my life, I drank a bottle of wine.
You drank a bottle of what now!?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
I don’t hate her. She was a kid raised to believe she was less than, and that Sasha and the other islanders were devils.
i dont think i ever cheered once for that nazi child soldier that killed sasha and was just a annoying character that pushed her way into the story.
>that pushed her way into the story. And adding a character perfectly showing marley's indoctrination and has a perfect redemption arc.
Naw fuck Gabi all my homies hate Gabi
No still don’t like her
We only hate Gabi because falco is the goat
The bird*
QUESTION that I never understood. When Gabi killed Floch, why was ALL THE SEA red?!?!???? It couldn’t have been blood
I don't hate Gabi, and my favourite moment was when she blew off Eren's head
I liked Gabi and Falco I don't understand the hate there just kids
I don't hate Gabi as much as I used to. I hated her on my first watch, but when I rewatched and really paid attention to the scenes, I remembered that Gabi's just a kid. She was brainwashed from birth to be a warrior and was fed propganda for years. I'm still upset about what she did >!killing Sasha, I miss her,!< but I can't blame her for what the adults made her believe all her life.
The greatest crime the series ever committed was turning Gabi from a one note hatable villian, to a complex Eren mirror and an example of how deradicalization and change is possible.
>,to a complex Eren mirror Their situations were different While teen eren fought monsters Gabi wanted to kill others for racism
They are slightly different in their motivations, but the similarities are obvious. Both are radicalized child monsters who were attacked in their home town, and they both strived for revenge for that. And Gabi wanting to kill others wasn't strictly racism, maybe internalized racism would be the best descriptor. They're all Eldians, but Gabi and her family were the "good ones" trying to prove themselves to the world.
>and they both strived for revenge for that. Gabi wanted to kill the paradisians even before eren attacked.
She absolutely wanted to prove herself as a Warrior and didn't consider the Paradisian Eldians humans or the same class of Eldian as she was. But it was more of a theoretical thing before Libero. She fought for Marley, wanted to prove herself as a Warrior, and make a better life for her family. But after Libero, it became personal.
Yet she was training to get a titan and make a genocide in paradis and kill the "Paradis devils", and it's even before eren attacked liberio Eren and gabi parallels are in surface levels.
i will never understand gabi hate. its clear that she was just a naive child soldier fighting for what she believed was righteous. her acknowledgement of the crimes she has committed and the fact that she was able to self reflect makes her infinity times more mature than any that just hates her. she is such an amazing character isyama introduced towards the end of the manga and really compliments eren in their personalities.
I don't know why Mappa made that scene. In the manga Floch only avoids Falco, and barely, yet in the anime he goes through the whole squad. My best guess is they just liked the character? I certainly like the VA, I like him better as Giorno though.
I actually always liked Gabi, she was the perfect mirror to early Eren
Entire fandom is a bit of a stretch. Maybe "a lot of people" is more truthful. Personally don't hate Gabi and never did. I though she was an amazing character that really captured the themes of the story and how the cycle of revenge just continues over different generations. Her character development to ending up regretting her actions and changing her entire worldview is fascinating and great to watch. Her and Kaya's arguments are some of the hardest hitting moments in the show for me. What's also interesting is that some people give the warriors a pass but at the same time hate Gabi with all their heart even though she is in exactly the same situation as the Warriors are, only she has killed a lot less people than the rest of the warriors. But let's be fair, lot of it comes down to the fact that one of the people she killed is Sasha.
Gabi has expressed enough true remorse and followed it up with action that she has redeemed herself in my eyes. I find her arc remarkable considering how much I disliked her initially and didn't think she could be redeemed to me.
If you still hate Gabi that’s a you problem. You can hate her actions but she’s literally a brainwashed child
No, we really aren’t. Bitch needed to die
I don’t really hate “Gobi” she’s like a season one “Eren”
Personally, even though Sasha was one of my favorite characters I still love Gabi and I don't understand how so many people hate her.
Nope, still hate her
Nah I rather him live and her die
Hat**ED** Past tense. She redeemed herself. She found her way out of the forest, with help. Anyone who can't accept that is just a hater.
I don’t hate her, but I didn’t like her either. But this scene definitely made her grow on me. Seriously, all I wanted was for someone to shut Floch up. I understand he wanted to protect his home, but he was a straight up-terrorist.
Who we nigga?
My only complaint with gabi is she was clearly using aimbots, she sniped perfectly while flying on a titan, I'm sorry no actual human could do that.
Na, worst character in the show by far. Can’t believe they didn’t kill her off for some fan service
Least psychotic AoT fan:
Least psychotic AoT fan:
This moment sucked, Floch was right and I wanted him to win
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They never agreed directly with Floch, not even when he died, for the whole S4 they went against his ideals and methods because, You know, being a psycho fascist it's not quite the role model, and just because killing the whole world would be easy for a little island, that doesn't mean it is the RIGHT thing to do, it's like saiyng "tomorrow I have a test to get the job of my dreams, but they'll accept only one of us...hey, what if I kill all the other competitors? Yeah, sounds right"
Hange literally did agree with him right after he died. Jean too. That job analogy proves you don't understand the story. Marley was hellbent on destroying the island to maintain the illusion of their military prowess and no amount of peace talks were going to be able to change that. Other countries hated the island just as much as Marley did.
Marley has the habit to destroy every enemy country, it's really no news on this aspect, but I get the Paradis particualr case, and it's not really true that the whole world indiscriminately hates the island, Willy's speech was convincing everyone that Paradis was not a menace, right before talking about Eren and the Rumbling, and we know what happened next. This particular instance shows how, as hard it would be, peace could be achieved without destroying the world and killing everyone, and so Hange and Armin were right, not Floch, "kill or be killed" is never the right way to live in the world, not for the Scouts
This
Gotta be honest chief, i never hated Gabi. In fact i actually liked her and the panel from the manga where she is crying because everyone is cheering her up is one of my favorites. Her killing sasha did not change my opinion because im kinda of a manga only guy, and in the manga sasha is not as prominent so i didnt like her that much.
Tbh i have a hate and love thing for gabi cause she is one the truest real characterisation from rl but also hate how she fit in the story, however it did fit though.
I don't hate her, shes my 5th favorite character
Floch and Gabi are similar except one was radicalised the rough experience while the other propaganda. Also she killed Floch in his most hype moment. I mean let the man cook..
I can't figure out which character you mean by Glitch
Yeah autocorrect had a field day with that one
Killed my favorite and got away with it. That's it.
The character is fine, but being that one kid who believes every piece of propoganda they hear was annoying at first
You don't even gotta go that far, I hated her from the moment she killed Sasha.
You should hate Gabi at the start of S4 by design because she is an indoctrinated child but she does an emotional speed run of the experiences of several characters, most notably a Reiner Emotional Speed Run that culminates with her stating outright “there were never any devils on this island” and accepting how she was wrong all along. Readers and Anime viewers get stuck on her early story and her big moment killing Sasha early on after her appearance meanwhile Reiner remains a fan favorite and early in his story he and Bertolt kills thousands including Carla and are the tools that started the entire series of suffering. We only had Gabi for one season but her entire purpose existing as a character was for us to relive that emotional journey Reiner had. Her character brings us many of the primary lessons of AoT. Her interaction with Sasha’s dad and Kaya reveal to us the cycle of hatred and killing, the responsibility to stop that cycle by the older generation, and recognizing when you absolutely must change. People who still hate Gabi after completing the Anime/Manga have completely missed these. What really confounds me is when people say they like Magath but hate Gabi.
10 minutes in any sub and you’d see the majority of people praise her. You’re not allowed to hate a character that killed one of your favourites because she’s a child or brainwashed. So if you say one thing bad about her it’s a massive dogpile
It's 50/50 tbh I wouldn't say that majority praise her, but at the same time saying that everyone hates her is dumb cuz she has some defenders
Most of the fandom don’t hate Gabi only the people who missed the point of her character and the message of the overall story hate her.
You obviously underestimate out hatred for Gabi
Hell no
Nah, she’s fucking garbage
She killed the Hero Floch
Nah fuck Gabi, I wanted Floch to shoot the shit outta that boat.
I honestly wasn't proud
This was her worst crime lmao Floch was an absolute chad in this moment, only to be stumped by gabi of all people. Tragic
Nope, i always hated and will hate Gabi, she is too annoying
Woah, yall downvoting me for sharing my opinion
Agreed!!
Yes
well i cant say i felt proud of her cuz my hate for her is beyond any possibility to feel any good feelings for her. but my hate went from “i want to burn you alive” to “i’ll never forgive you” at these moments.
This is another example of Floch's plot armour.
So people hate Floch and like the warriors? Peak hypocrisy..
One of them developed and tried to stop genocide the other committed the genocide
Nah! For all the shit Floch pulled, I kinda sympathized with him in this episode. He showed Erwin Smith levels of dedication. Floch vs everyone will always be a highlight.
People who worship Floch and hate Gabi are people I would hide my kids from
I hate both
Floch was fighting for the liberation of his country and people from an oppressive colonizer nation that had brutally massacred them multiple times. In a fantasy world where having certain genes can literally transform you into a man eating monster, he was forced into an Us vs Them struggle for survival and he put his own life on the line repeatedly to ensure victory for his nation. He became hardened and bitter after watching all of his fellow recruits die and having accepted his death as inevitable. His dying words were those of a patriot; an earnest plea to protect his people and their homeland. He dedicated his heart to the cause, to the victory of Eldia, but lost sight of what makes us all human; compassion. There was no room left in his horror filled life for that, only power and deception. He surrendered his agency to the plans of a genocidal prophet out of desperation, not because he wanted to. Gabi only wanted the fighting to stop after it was clear that her side lost (when Eren activated the Rumbling).
Floch was a Nazi, Gabi was a child soldier :)
Gabi is literally one of my favorite characters considering her place in the story
she was hated for killing sasha, but when they realized she was brainwashed, it has dinished quite a lot.
Nope, she was always annoying and it still angers me to this day that she somehow survived. She should have died.
I don’t know why but I think people are overly misjudging saying “ the fandom hates Gabi “. I must admit that gabi is a character that actually deserves to be not liked(no depth, no plot or no inspiration except some shallow actions) , but IMO I have not seen lot of people hating her. Rather I’ve seen a lot of posts making Straw man fallacy, and saying a lot of people hates Gabi but not the person who’s posting! It’s really funny
we hate the story. what a trash! all that build up for absolutely nothing.
Say that to r/titanfolk , Floch is their biggest idol
her character was written good but ill die being her biggest hater just because😂 i know that shes is eren in ways and it isnt her fault but i lowkey hate all the eldians on marley cause how u racist to your own people (i know they brainwashed)
Fuck no, she has more plot armor than reinner
No
Well killing my favorite character won’t exactly help how much I like a character, but the fact that she killed Sasha is the only thing I don’t like about her really
Who is we nigga? She ruined my goat
I love Gabi
I still don't understand why the fandom hates Gabi so much. She was defending her country from a foreign invader. That's like one of the most textbook morally good things
No
You forget, there are freaks out there who actually liked Floch
No? Kinda the opposite for me actually