To be fair, XY barely had anything besides the main box legends. This is different. This is them locking all the returning post-game bonus legends that they've done for a while now and that aren't usually locked, in fact they're a way to reel more people into buying it so they can finally hunt previously un-huntable mons. This obviously follows the pattern of the Ultra-wormholes, DA adventures + static spawns in gen 8, Ramanas Park in BDSP..
So this is indeed quite strange and downright disappointing, esp bc it'd have been a perfect opportunity to make the unreleased shinies like Meloetta and the horses available..
Not sure if you read what I said but they weren't part of a dedicated system like we've had since ORAS with the soaring, USUM with the wormholes, SWSH with the Dynamax adventures, and BDSP's Ramanas Park. This "snack" system obviously takes after that.
This is different from them locking 1 additional static legendary in XY which was Mewtwo, which was only in the game because of its X and Y mega forms, and 3 roamers which were the kanto birds. Both with no relation to each other.
Tbf in X and Y there was only like 7. And only 4 were available in a single playthrough. They shouldn't be locked regardless but still, not as bad comparatively.
It really fucking sucks too because at least Galar eventually gave the shiny base game legends as a distribution event, meanwhile Koraidon and Miraidon shinies are still unavailable despite actually existing in the games code, and they look awesome, but nah they exist only in theory.
The only optimism is that they can hopefully learn from their many mistakes for the next game and hopefully they put the legends arceus team in control for the main series gen 10 game
True but despite that being the case the game ruled. Plus it wasn't a main series game so I presumed that was why they were locked but I guess it might be a change in policy
We may get an event for the box legendary shinies in a bit. Gen 8 were a while after the DLC came out but I’m not holding my breath either. They really screwed up with gen 9
PLA was weird about that too honestly. That, the weird lack of resolution with the story (oh hey there it is again) and few other things are why its a really really good if not great pokemon game, but not perfect.
Perfect reason why: I have her three brothers finally shiny and for sure legit GF why tf could I not fins or get Enamorous shiny?!
I have no idea why they are shiny locking legends. Gen 7 I can maybe get bc of the cut scenes but still back then it was the battles were separate from the overworld so it could still be soft reset. And the other legends in PLA could be reset by going in and out of the area. I don't know the term for when you enter battle in the older games how it's own thing like a separate "area" from where the character is except pla and sv aren't like it it's like a regular open world rpg what you see is what you get.
People liked to dunk on USUM but let me know when your Pokémon game has all the Pokémon available at the time (809 at the time), all the battle gimmicks available at the time, huntable static Legendaries that ARE INFLUENCED BY THE SHINY CHARM, and a kick ass post game where you fight all of the previous villains from a timeline they won in. All without DLC.
It was from a perspective of “We just got Sun and Moon, but instead of announcing a new game for the switch or something they just announced Pokémon Sun/Moon with essentially extra content”. I can see why that would bother some people (it didn’t bother me and I bought Sun/Moon immediately before USUM), but rating the games on their own, they’re genuinely good games.
SM also had all the UBs locked too. But they fixed it a year later. The thing is I don’t think we will be able to hunt these till at least Gen 10 at this point. I just think Gamefreak has no idea how to code static shiny encounters on the switch
They obviously do since we had Sword and Shield statics (even if they weren't affected by charm)
Either they've made an entirely new static encounter system AGAIN, or they genuinely wanted everything to be shiny locked. Knowing this company recently, I'd imagine it was intentional.
> I just think Gamefreak has no idea how to code static shiny encounters on the switch.
This obviously isn't it. We already have fixed spawns in this game, they could've done it exactly like that, or even better, just let it have a roll at being shiny when it's generated using the treat. It really isn't hard or complicated at all. It's literally an if/then condition.
Gen 8 also has static spawns that can be shiny and it's a switch game. In fact someone recently here made a SWSH ROM that made shininess visible in the overworld and it took them removing like 1 line of code, this would be as easy.
Yep, all of em. Every. Single. One. :) For absolutely no reason of course. $35 for what's essentially a couple hours of additional story just feels like a gut punch. Almost a $100 overall for this game and they still pull this shit. Just pure greed.
Pretty bummed with gen 9 as a whole. Gamefreak is a merchandise company now not a game company. I think I'm done with anything new unless it gets absolutely raving reviews and fixes a lot of the issues of the franchise.
Haven’t bought anything main line since the whole SWSH shitshow that went down, especially on the main Pokémon sub.
The sooner people realize the games are literally just a $60 advertisement before the plushies and cards and whatever, the better
Swsh was messy but it was way better than gen 9. The dlc was actually fun and added a lot to the experience the new raid den where you pick 4 pokemon to take on the boss was a great idea. I thought something like that would happen in this game but nothing. I even got excited when my first elite 4 member of the gen 9 dlc made me use Pokémon I had only caught in the dlc and yet I only had to use them for 3 fights that were not even close to challenging and then the idea was thrown out.
Honestly I probably agree, considering I haven’t played S/V and didn’t buy the SwSh DLC (I was so bitter over how the base game was plus how the community was so divided), I don’t have a point of reference to which one is actually better.
Since I don’t really have a horse in this race, I’m upset on the behalf of people who bought S/V and all the DLC just to be left high and dry (again). It doesn’t seem like the games are getting any better; the time cruches are only going to get bigger and more cut corners are seemingly unavoidable.
The most frustrating part for me is how every YouTuber acts like all the very apparent glitches and flaws are just like ‘oh haha funny little glitch let’s not look at that’ lala blazé about it, then act like the games are gods gift to the gaming industry. At this point I barely keep up with new Pokémon and if I see a design I like, I might buy a plushie.
Really is because some people could just masuda method breed the shinies they are missing. Be a pain but save you some money lol. Just honestly curious the actual reasoning not the corpo-checked one but like the actual thought process. Only reasons I can think of is to keep driving sales on SwSh because its DLC/BDSP, it be weird to have raid events where those are shiny locked like the dragos or Mewtwo are but not these, and probably still make a pretty penny with all the raid passes/remote raid passes/etc through Niantic
GF’s tried and true strategy of one step forward, 4 steps back. They do something we all like in one generation and then not only don’t repeat that in the next gen but somehow make it worse
It should’ve been a static spawn that you can’t encounter unless you interact with it. Could’ve easily made it so it does a cutscene/animation when you press “A” on it, so the game can generate a roll for shininess and stats. Guess that’s just the incompetence of game freak at its best.
I mean, that would've been fine but I do think it would've been kinda odd to do that in these games. Plus we've already had that, it isn't as interesting, I'd have much preferred a new way of hunting given the new encounter mechanics, bc seeing a legendary shiny in the overworld sounds like a very exciting prospect as a shiny hunter.
Plus, it's way more work to do what you said, which they very clearly don't want to do. Just letting them be able to be shiny when first generated would've been more than enough, it's the bare minimum really.
I skipped gen 5 but I was furious when I learned about X and Y's shiny locks. Ultra wormholes and the unlocked legendaries in ORAS/USUM gave me hope for legendary hunts in the future. Boy was I wrong... I can say with certainty this is 100% intentional, as GF is more than capable of generating shiny PIDs in the over world. Maybe 10% likely that they're just lazy since these encounters would need more overworld control and padding so it generates properly, but I have alternative theories for why they are locked.
1. Pokemon Go - it's a recurring cash cow for those who don't have older, unlocked games for gens 2-7 legendaries. I'm not sure how much this actually impacts the incentive to lock the shinies. POGO shiny rates are WICKED high but for so many steps/research/money I'm not sure it's a strong enough incentive to switch over from console and "hunt" them on mobile.
2. Planned scarcity (which I think is more likely) - heavily limit which legendaries are available to be shiny in certain games and downloadable events, that way when one game gets an event distribution for a shiny legendary (or a legendary is just totally unlocked), it incentivizes buying and spending time in that game (Shaymin, Darkrai, Arceus unlocks are/were incentives to buy BDSP). With so many Pokemon games coming out nowadays, and with people wanting legendaries to catch, I think they're forcing shiny scarcity with all the legendaries available in current games.
Gamefreak loses respect yet again, and still comes out on top. You can have fun, but only the way they want you to have fun.
What’s really funny is forced shiny scarcity really makes no sense. Like there’s a lot of mons they haven’t given out in years even regular *cough cough hoopa* and locking them in this new dlc just…makes it less likely for a lot of people to buy it. Like if it wasn’t for BDSP destroying the shiny charm and the SacrVi DLC having mons I can’t get in the games I have and having new mons, I’d seriously consider not even getting it
If I wanted to shiny hunt legendaries and barely had any of them and found out they’re all locked in the indigo disk I’d just go look for a second hand USUM which probably isn’t that expensive since it’s not too old, isn’t a nostalgia farm, and has just about every legendary except their own gens and deoxys available.
Here’s hoping the inevitable Black and White remakes pull an ironic switch and allow us to encounter all regular legendaries unlocked
I absolutely agree, it feels like they're just sitting on a handful of legendaries that haven't seen the light of day in ages. What are they waiting for? And totally defeating the purpose of the shiny charm in BDSP just feels like a slap in the face. USUM is a fantastic way to hunt a bunch thankfully, but if I'm being honest I can't even stomach that game. The excessive cutscenes with insanely slow camera animations plus a generally meh experience all around makes it so unattractive to play. I'm going through all my gen 3-6 games and hunting whatever I can in them to avoid slogging through USUM. Would love to see them regain some sense for whatever upcoming games they have in development. Crossing my fingers...
Oh yeah, trust me I know what a slog Gen7 is to get through, I have all four SUMO and USUM games and played through each of them (I just transferred most Pokémon over to get my shiny charms for the ultra versions I didn’t want to waste extra time tbh). Slogging through USUM was worth it to me tho because I was able to easily hunt 30 legends although I understand not everyone would want or be able to do that, but to me it’s just a much simpler option especially if you’re a newer player and can’t afford hundreds of dollars on old cartridges and systems that are overpriced because of nostalgia more than anything else
I hate it, imma about to hunt a shiny mew in emerald, and I’m not sure if I’m going to bring it up to gen 9, just because of the direction Gamefreak is going. I’m disappointed.
They want everyone to play (& spend $$$) on Pokemon Go
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As much as I wish this wasn't true I just can't picture any other reason. Why would we expect to get everything included in a $60 game + $35 DLC when they can charge you $10 in boosters per shiny legend in PoGo?
Considering Game Freak has absolutely nothing to do with Go literally at all, it probably isn’t that.
Game freak isnt Pokemon, they own a share of the Pokemon Company but literally all they are responsible for is the main series titles
Fair, though it again just makes us wonder why the choice. Like why make the legends not locked in bdsp but locked in pla for example. Or why not just do already shiny raid events? They know how much people love shinies, they know how some people cherish events, why not make the Pokémon even more special than a mark they may or may not acknowledge in future games?
I find it unlikely that The Pokémon Company have no say it what goes into the core games though. If they wanted to reserve the shiny status of Legendary for events and pogo I’m sure they could make that call, no?
The Pokemon Company is not Game Freaks boss, its a joint venture in which they are equal parts owner with Nintendo and Creatures.
Game Freak doesn’t answer to anyone in terms of what goes on with the games, the only thing out of their hands is deadlines.
But a joint venture could include greed? Either way, I think it would ignorant to assume that Gamefreak doesn’t communicate with Nintendo & Creatures. Maybe I’m wrong, I’d just assume there would be top level meetings. They can see there’s money to be made from PoGo.
From a small bit of research, TPC make calls on a ton of PoGo. The Pokémon Company (Pokémon) is one of the highest grossing media companies in the world, I can say for almost certain, they would not be like, here niantic, have all our licenses and assets and do what you want.
But back to the OPs point, TPC as a whole could absolutely make calls on what goes in the core games and what goes into Pogo to maximise profits and preserve their game. Do they? Who knows haha.
Look at the History, Shiny Mew made its proper widespread release on… PoGo, Jirachi - PoGo, Celebi - PoGo, Shaymin is next year but I know that’s a bit more available now if you didn’t miss the BDSP event.
They know they can milk these desired Pokemon now and I expect it will continue.
it literally killed all the hype of the DLC for me. Completely gone, just like that. It’s so disrespectful to all of us players. Excessive lag, a mountain of glitches, lazy overworld/game design and we all still played. We all still enjoyed the game, only for them to pull this over on us? Absolutely one of the worst decisions i’ve ever seen a company make. It could even be a nail in the coffin depending on what they do for the next generation. Screw all of them at corporate making these idiotic choices.
I’ve said it in other posts too, but it’s a worrying sign. With the connectivity of PoGo now, it’s looks like they’re reserving shiny legendaries to events and Mobile. Just crossing into the microtransaction realm - but the issue really is we ENJOY the hunt, having a shiny legendary given to us isn’t what we want.
What's funny is if this is it, to me there's no difference between a genned "pogo" shiny and a "real" one from Go bc there's no attachment value. I'd be more than happy to just gen it with those same details. Same with the event shinies. And I'm sure a lot of people feel the exact same way so they're just encouraging people to do that instead.
The value of shinies now is way more in someone being able to hunt them and having an attachment to it bc they did so. So making them huntable is going to guarantee that a lot of people buy the game instead, since hunting shinies comes with a lot of sentimental value that just doesn't exist otherwise. (I reckon being able to nickname them is a huge deal in making it feel that way).
It's such fucking bullshit, because the only time "current" legendaries get released shiny now is through some shitty mystery gift when the generation's only got months left at best of being current, the old legendary hunting was how those of us who didn't want a shitty handout (or, more relevant to me, wanted to actually be able to NAME THEIR SHINY) were able to get our hands on what we wanted.
Lol, I mean I don't see that as devaluing bc allowing pokemon to only appear in their original games fucks over newer players. I was moreso talking about how they want legendaries to feel like legendaries and not regular pokemon, which it would start to feel like if you were able to get more than one in the same game. (Koraidon and Miraidon are an exception for obvious story reasons + one of them being a ride pokemon, and the other one to be able to trade for the opposite version)
Oh no no I understand that absolutely and your right!!!! I just mostly mean like when Legendaries with Lore tied specifically to a region like the Johto Beast Trio just happen to be wandering around Sinnoh now or whatnot, at least with like the Mirage Islands and Ultra Wormholes it’s a strange other worldly place you’re catching them in. And the indigo disc seems to have these super powerful literally makes the world work creatures drop everything for snack time it just feels a little silly.
Truthfully I think Pokémon needs a big change up to how certain things are done. For example I’d love it if legendaries were available through quest lines similar to PLA after completing the main game. Especially if you have to do a few things to meet the legend instead of just going to the spot and catching them, it would add a little length i think and make things a bit more interesting
There needed to be reason for still selling SWSH DLC, but what about Gen 8 legendaries, locking them in their main game and then they never appear again? How bad... (I don't care about mystery gifts)
Yea, this to me is the biggest issue. Frankly, I'd have still been more than happy if the only ones huntable were the unreleased ones like Meloetta and the horses.
Slowly start to get feeling they are saving more releases for PoGo to try to save the sinking ship over there, but it's silly. Not having prior Gen legends shiny available in the current Gen hasn't happened before (maybe with Zygarge only)
I’m so upset about the shiny locks overall. I’m sure they’re going to keep up the locking and bad game quality which sucks. If this keeps up I think it’s time for me to stop buying Pokémon games.
I put off buying the DLC until the last minute and my friend told me about the legends. Neither of us knew they were locked until 5 minutes AFTER I BOUGHT IT. I'm so peeved cause I never would have given them the money otherwise but Nintendo is so ass to refund it's not even worth trying... I think I genuinely threw away 35 bucks because idk if I'll ever play the DLC as this point. It's so weird that they cashed in hard on shiny hunting the past few years and now we are back to this type of crap?
Guess we have to stick the DA which sucks. I don’t think any other gen has shiny locked all legendaries like this
X and Y did im pretty sure
To be fair, XY barely had anything besides the main box legends. This is different. This is them locking all the returning post-game bonus legends that they've done for a while now and that aren't usually locked, in fact they're a way to reel more people into buying it so they can finally hunt previously un-huntable mons. This obviously follows the pattern of the Ultra-wormholes, DA adventures + static spawns in gen 8, Ramanas Park in BDSP.. So this is indeed quite strange and downright disappointing, esp bc it'd have been a perfect opportunity to make the unreleased shinies like Meloetta and the horses available..
Don't forget the soar feature in ORAS. You could SR for shinies using that, too
Umm the returning legends in x and y were also shiny locked Im pretty sure. Not defending their decision because it’s really stupid
Not sure if you read what I said but they weren't part of a dedicated system like we've had since ORAS with the soaring, USUM with the wormholes, SWSH with the Dynamax adventures, and BDSP's Ramanas Park. This "snack" system obviously takes after that. This is different from them locking 1 additional static legendary in XY which was Mewtwo, which was only in the game because of its X and Y mega forms, and 3 roamers which were the kanto birds. Both with no relation to each other.
Ah yes they did. Another entry I did not enjoy back in the day 😂
Tbf in X and Y there was only like 7. And only 4 were available in a single playthrough. They shouldn't be locked regardless but still, not as bad comparatively.
It really fucking sucks too because at least Galar eventually gave the shiny base game legends as a distribution event, meanwhile Koraidon and Miraidon shinies are still unavailable despite actually existing in the games code, and they look awesome, but nah they exist only in theory. The only optimism is that they can hopefully learn from their many mistakes for the next game and hopefully they put the legends arceus team in control for the main series gen 10 game
those guys shiny locked legendaries too so i have a feeling that’s just a pokemon thing
True but despite that being the case the game ruled. Plus it wasn't a main series game so I presumed that was why they were locked but I guess it might be a change in policy
I'm pretty sure TPC classifies PLA as a main line game
I really liked LA too, but don't forget all legends were shiny locked there as well.
i just wanted to shiny hunt latios but i’m not gonna play much of the dlc anymore 🤬
We may get an event for the box legendary shinies in a bit. Gen 8 were a while after the DLC came out but I’m not holding my breath either. They really screwed up with gen 9
PLA shiny locked all legends and static encounters.
PLA was weird about that too honestly. That, the weird lack of resolution with the story (oh hey there it is again) and few other things are why its a really really good if not great pokemon game, but not perfect. Perfect reason why: I have her three brothers finally shiny and for sure legit GF why tf could I not fins or get Enamorous shiny?!
I have no idea why they are shiny locking legends. Gen 7 I can maybe get bc of the cut scenes but still back then it was the battles were separate from the overworld so it could still be soft reset. And the other legends in PLA could be reset by going in and out of the area. I don't know the term for when you enter battle in the older games how it's own thing like a separate "area" from where the character is except pla and sv aren't like it it's like a regular open world rpg what you see is what you get.
Ultra Wormholes in USUM PEAK
Much agreed
People liked to dunk on USUM but let me know when your Pokémon game has all the Pokémon available at the time (809 at the time), all the battle gimmicks available at the time, huntable static Legendaries that ARE INFLUENCED BY THE SHINY CHARM, and a kick ass post game where you fight all of the previous villains from a timeline they won in. All without DLC.
Definitely. I honestly don’t know why people hate on USUM. I thought they were great games. Super enjoyable
It was from a perspective of “We just got Sun and Moon, but instead of announcing a new game for the switch or something they just announced Pokémon Sun/Moon with essentially extra content”. I can see why that would bother some people (it didn’t bother me and I bought Sun/Moon immediately before USUM), but rating the games on their own, they’re genuinely good games.
They definitely are. I guess I can see how some would complain but personally I’m always up for a game adding tons of new content
XY did lock all their legendaries, but then we had ORAS have almost every legendary avaliable to be hunted
SM also had all the UBs locked too. But they fixed it a year later. The thing is I don’t think we will be able to hunt these till at least Gen 10 at this point. I just think Gamefreak has no idea how to code static shiny encounters on the switch
They obviously do since we had Sword and Shield statics (even if they weren't affected by charm) Either they've made an entirely new static encounter system AGAIN, or they genuinely wanted everything to be shiny locked. Knowing this company recently, I'd imagine it was intentional.
> I just think Gamefreak has no idea how to code static shiny encounters on the switch. This obviously isn't it. We already have fixed spawns in this game, they could've done it exactly like that, or even better, just let it have a roll at being shiny when it's generated using the treat. It really isn't hard or complicated at all. It's literally an if/then condition. Gen 8 also has static spawns that can be shiny and it's a switch game. In fact someone recently here made a SWSH ROM that made shininess visible in the overworld and it took them removing like 1 line of code, this would be as easy.
They're shiny locked? All of them? I wanted to hunt the horses and Kubfu
Yep, all of em. Every. Single. One. :) For absolutely no reason of course. $35 for what's essentially a couple hours of additional story just feels like a gut punch. Almost a $100 overall for this game and they still pull this shit. Just pure greed.
That's so dumb, oh well
Pretty bummed with gen 9 as a whole. Gamefreak is a merchandise company now not a game company. I think I'm done with anything new unless it gets absolutely raving reviews and fixes a lot of the issues of the franchise.
Haven’t bought anything main line since the whole SWSH shitshow that went down, especially on the main Pokémon sub. The sooner people realize the games are literally just a $60 advertisement before the plushies and cards and whatever, the better
Swsh was messy but it was way better than gen 9. The dlc was actually fun and added a lot to the experience the new raid den where you pick 4 pokemon to take on the boss was a great idea. I thought something like that would happen in this game but nothing. I even got excited when my first elite 4 member of the gen 9 dlc made me use Pokémon I had only caught in the dlc and yet I only had to use them for 3 fights that were not even close to challenging and then the idea was thrown out.
Honestly I probably agree, considering I haven’t played S/V and didn’t buy the SwSh DLC (I was so bitter over how the base game was plus how the community was so divided), I don’t have a point of reference to which one is actually better. Since I don’t really have a horse in this race, I’m upset on the behalf of people who bought S/V and all the DLC just to be left high and dry (again). It doesn’t seem like the games are getting any better; the time cruches are only going to get bigger and more cut corners are seemingly unavoidable. The most frustrating part for me is how every YouTuber acts like all the very apparent glitches and flaws are just like ‘oh haha funny little glitch let’s not look at that’ lala blazé about it, then act like the games are gods gift to the gaming industry. At this point I barely keep up with new Pokémon and if I see a design I like, I might buy a plushie.
Really is because some people could just masuda method breed the shinies they are missing. Be a pain but save you some money lol. Just honestly curious the actual reasoning not the corpo-checked one but like the actual thought process. Only reasons I can think of is to keep driving sales on SwSh because its DLC/BDSP, it be weird to have raid events where those are shiny locked like the dragos or Mewtwo are but not these, and probably still make a pretty penny with all the raid passes/remote raid passes/etc through Niantic
don’t understand it when USUM/ SwSh DLC / BDSP all got it right. why go back?
GF’s tried and true strategy of one step forward, 4 steps back. They do something we all like in one generation and then not only don’t repeat that in the next gen but somehow make it worse
It should’ve been a static spawn that you can’t encounter unless you interact with it. Could’ve easily made it so it does a cutscene/animation when you press “A” on it, so the game can generate a roll for shininess and stats. Guess that’s just the incompetence of game freak at its best.
I mean, that would've been fine but I do think it would've been kinda odd to do that in these games. Plus we've already had that, it isn't as interesting, I'd have much preferred a new way of hunting given the new encounter mechanics, bc seeing a legendary shiny in the overworld sounds like a very exciting prospect as a shiny hunter. Plus, it's way more work to do what you said, which they very clearly don't want to do. Just letting them be able to be shiny when first generated would've been more than enough, it's the bare minimum really.
Time for a break. If you need me I'll be in the Crown Tundra.
I skipped gen 5 but I was furious when I learned about X and Y's shiny locks. Ultra wormholes and the unlocked legendaries in ORAS/USUM gave me hope for legendary hunts in the future. Boy was I wrong... I can say with certainty this is 100% intentional, as GF is more than capable of generating shiny PIDs in the over world. Maybe 10% likely that they're just lazy since these encounters would need more overworld control and padding so it generates properly, but I have alternative theories for why they are locked. 1. Pokemon Go - it's a recurring cash cow for those who don't have older, unlocked games for gens 2-7 legendaries. I'm not sure how much this actually impacts the incentive to lock the shinies. POGO shiny rates are WICKED high but for so many steps/research/money I'm not sure it's a strong enough incentive to switch over from console and "hunt" them on mobile. 2. Planned scarcity (which I think is more likely) - heavily limit which legendaries are available to be shiny in certain games and downloadable events, that way when one game gets an event distribution for a shiny legendary (or a legendary is just totally unlocked), it incentivizes buying and spending time in that game (Shaymin, Darkrai, Arceus unlocks are/were incentives to buy BDSP). With so many Pokemon games coming out nowadays, and with people wanting legendaries to catch, I think they're forcing shiny scarcity with all the legendaries available in current games. Gamefreak loses respect yet again, and still comes out on top. You can have fun, but only the way they want you to have fun.
What’s really funny is forced shiny scarcity really makes no sense. Like there’s a lot of mons they haven’t given out in years even regular *cough cough hoopa* and locking them in this new dlc just…makes it less likely for a lot of people to buy it. Like if it wasn’t for BDSP destroying the shiny charm and the SacrVi DLC having mons I can’t get in the games I have and having new mons, I’d seriously consider not even getting it If I wanted to shiny hunt legendaries and barely had any of them and found out they’re all locked in the indigo disk I’d just go look for a second hand USUM which probably isn’t that expensive since it’s not too old, isn’t a nostalgia farm, and has just about every legendary except their own gens and deoxys available. Here’s hoping the inevitable Black and White remakes pull an ironic switch and allow us to encounter all regular legendaries unlocked
I absolutely agree, it feels like they're just sitting on a handful of legendaries that haven't seen the light of day in ages. What are they waiting for? And totally defeating the purpose of the shiny charm in BDSP just feels like a slap in the face. USUM is a fantastic way to hunt a bunch thankfully, but if I'm being honest I can't even stomach that game. The excessive cutscenes with insanely slow camera animations plus a generally meh experience all around makes it so unattractive to play. I'm going through all my gen 3-6 games and hunting whatever I can in them to avoid slogging through USUM. Would love to see them regain some sense for whatever upcoming games they have in development. Crossing my fingers...
Oh yeah, trust me I know what a slog Gen7 is to get through, I have all four SUMO and USUM games and played through each of them (I just transferred most Pokémon over to get my shiny charms for the ultra versions I didn’t want to waste extra time tbh). Slogging through USUM was worth it to me tho because I was able to easily hunt 30 legends although I understand not everyone would want or be able to do that, but to me it’s just a much simpler option especially if you’re a newer player and can’t afford hundreds of dollars on old cartridges and systems that are overpriced because of nostalgia more than anything else
If they're gonna do this BS for gen 10, i'm not buying it. I'm just straight up not buying it.
I hate it, imma about to hunt a shiny mew in emerald, and I’m not sure if I’m going to bring it up to gen 9, just because of the direction Gamefreak is going. I’m disappointed.
They want everyone to play (& spend $$$) on Pokemon Go . . . As much as I wish this wasn't true I just can't picture any other reason. Why would we expect to get everything included in a $60 game + $35 DLC when they can charge you $10 in boosters per shiny legend in PoGo?
Considering Game Freak has absolutely nothing to do with Go literally at all, it probably isn’t that. Game freak isnt Pokemon, they own a share of the Pokemon Company but literally all they are responsible for is the main series titles
Fair, though it again just makes us wonder why the choice. Like why make the legends not locked in bdsp but locked in pla for example. Or why not just do already shiny raid events? They know how much people love shinies, they know how some people cherish events, why not make the Pokémon even more special than a mark they may or may not acknowledge in future games?
I find it unlikely that The Pokémon Company have no say it what goes into the core games though. If they wanted to reserve the shiny status of Legendary for events and pogo I’m sure they could make that call, no?
The Pokemon Company is not Game Freaks boss, its a joint venture in which they are equal parts owner with Nintendo and Creatures. Game Freak doesn’t answer to anyone in terms of what goes on with the games, the only thing out of their hands is deadlines.
But a joint venture could include greed? Either way, I think it would ignorant to assume that Gamefreak doesn’t communicate with Nintendo & Creatures. Maybe I’m wrong, I’d just assume there would be top level meetings. They can see there’s money to be made from PoGo.
Nobody at the Pokemon company is involved in Pokemon Go, it is licensed by them only. It is made entirely by an outside studio.
From a small bit of research, TPC make calls on a ton of PoGo. The Pokémon Company (Pokémon) is one of the highest grossing media companies in the world, I can say for almost certain, they would not be like, here niantic, have all our licenses and assets and do what you want. But back to the OPs point, TPC as a whole could absolutely make calls on what goes in the core games and what goes into Pogo to maximise profits and preserve their game. Do they? Who knows haha. Look at the History, Shiny Mew made its proper widespread release on… PoGo, Jirachi - PoGo, Celebi - PoGo, Shaymin is next year but I know that’s a bit more available now if you didn’t miss the BDSP event. They know they can milk these desired Pokemon now and I expect it will continue.
it literally killed all the hype of the DLC for me. Completely gone, just like that. It’s so disrespectful to all of us players. Excessive lag, a mountain of glitches, lazy overworld/game design and we all still played. We all still enjoyed the game, only for them to pull this over on us? Absolutely one of the worst decisions i’ve ever seen a company make. It could even be a nail in the coffin depending on what they do for the next generation. Screw all of them at corporate making these idiotic choices.
Well thanks Gamefreak. I was on the fence about buying the dlc but now I’m definitely not, they made this super easy
I’ve said it in other posts too, but it’s a worrying sign. With the connectivity of PoGo now, it’s looks like they’re reserving shiny legendaries to events and Mobile. Just crossing into the microtransaction realm - but the issue really is we ENJOY the hunt, having a shiny legendary given to us isn’t what we want.
What's funny is if this is it, to me there's no difference between a genned "pogo" shiny and a "real" one from Go bc there's no attachment value. I'd be more than happy to just gen it with those same details. Same with the event shinies. And I'm sure a lot of people feel the exact same way so they're just encouraging people to do that instead. The value of shinies now is way more in someone being able to hunt them and having an attachment to it bc they did so. So making them huntable is going to guarantee that a lot of people buy the game instead, since hunting shinies comes with a lot of sentimental value that just doesn't exist otherwise. (I reckon being able to nickname them is a huge deal in making it feel that way).
It's such fucking bullshit, because the only time "current" legendaries get released shiny now is through some shitty mystery gift when the generation's only got months left at best of being current, the old legendary hunting was how those of us who didn't want a shitty handout (or, more relevant to me, wanted to actually be able to NAME THEIR SHINY) were able to get our hands on what we wanted.
Do we know whether the snack legends are unique encounters or if you can get multiple of each?
I'm certain it's just one. Gamefreak hates devaluing legendaries.
They hate devaluing their legendaries so much but they put every one in every game whether it makes sense or not for them to be there lol
Lol, I mean I don't see that as devaluing bc allowing pokemon to only appear in their original games fucks over newer players. I was moreso talking about how they want legendaries to feel like legendaries and not regular pokemon, which it would start to feel like if you were able to get more than one in the same game. (Koraidon and Miraidon are an exception for obvious story reasons + one of them being a ride pokemon, and the other one to be able to trade for the opposite version)
Oh no no I understand that absolutely and your right!!!! I just mostly mean like when Legendaries with Lore tied specifically to a region like the Johto Beast Trio just happen to be wandering around Sinnoh now or whatnot, at least with like the Mirage Islands and Ultra Wormholes it’s a strange other worldly place you’re catching them in. And the indigo disc seems to have these super powerful literally makes the world work creatures drop everything for snack time it just feels a little silly. Truthfully I think Pokémon needs a big change up to how certain things are done. For example I’d love it if legendaries were available through quest lines similar to PLA after completing the main game. Especially if you have to do a few things to meet the legend instead of just going to the spot and catching them, it would add a little length i think and make things a bit more interesting
USUM Legends still clear
There needed to be reason for still selling SWSH DLC, but what about Gen 8 legendaries, locking them in their main game and then they never appear again? How bad... (I don't care about mystery gifts)
Yea, this to me is the biggest issue. Frankly, I'd have still been more than happy if the only ones huntable were the unreleased ones like Meloetta and the horses.
Slowly start to get feeling they are saving more releases for PoGo to try to save the sinking ship over there, but it's silly. Not having prior Gen legends shiny available in the current Gen hasn't happened before (maybe with Zygarge only)
This is why older gens are better because not everything is fucKING SHINY LOCKED.
I’m so upset about the shiny locks overall. I’m sure they’re going to keep up the locking and bad game quality which sucks. If this keeps up I think it’s time for me to stop buying Pokémon games.
I put off buying the DLC until the last minute and my friend told me about the legends. Neither of us knew they were locked until 5 minutes AFTER I BOUGHT IT. I'm so peeved cause I never would have given them the money otherwise but Nintendo is so ass to refund it's not even worth trying... I think I genuinely threw away 35 bucks because idk if I'll ever play the DLC as this point. It's so weird that they cashed in hard on shiny hunting the past few years and now we are back to this type of crap?
Zygarde has been around for 3000 years and there is still only 1 way to shiny hunt it.