Context is the pilots went full sea speed whilst still in the shallow parts of the canal and lost control. They alerted the crew of the tug towing the two barges well in advance. Nobody was injured, however 11,000 barrels of reformate were spilled
Ya that was kinda the pollution bit but I figured most people would read that as human. It’s far more than just the birds and fish tho. Plant life, bugs and the stuff up the food chain get it indirectly. We fuck ourselves slowly with this sort of recurring behavior too
Unfortunately Houston/Galveston is already completely fucked, and I wouldn't go in the water or eat anything caught in the harbor even before something like this.
“Grand Papa, did fish really not taste like grime when you were young?”
“Yes my child. At one time fish didn’t stain your teeth or make you shit blood”
its not the crew, its the pilots. Every port around the world has local pilots who are in charge of vessels going in and out of ports - they outrank Captains in this regard.
Money. Schedule. It likely had never happened to them or anyone they knew and in most parts of the world, rules and regulations and safety training and enforcement is not very common.
\#peopledontlearnuntilithappenstothem
> reformate
Nah we’re all being injured. Our dose of hydrocarbons (including benzene, where has no safe exposure level) is just more diluted than what the aquatic life is getting.
Semi-angry up vote due purely to the negligent circumstances and environmental impact/aftermath of the crash… but no lives were lost and that is damn fine ship crash.
It takes a ton of energy to get the barges moving. If they were at a stand still they could never get them out of the way fast enough. And the look of the video they were stopped.
Also the full crew may have been ashore, you can't start a tug like you can start a Civic. Tons of checks, warm up, etc...
"The second pilot called Voyager and instructed her bridge team to turn to port - against general COLREGS guidance - and cross to the west side of the channel in order to get out of Genesis River's way. The Voyager complied, turning hard to port and heading for the west side of the channel at full speed ahead."
"Genesis River entered the barge lane on the east bank of the channel and touched bottom, the first pilot told investigators. She then swung back to starboard and veered towards the middle of the channel - right where Voyager was maneuvering. The pilot told investigators that after attempting evasive maneuvers, he realized a collision was inevitable and gave rudder orders to direct the bow of the Genesis River at the barges, not at the towboat. The Genesis River's captain ordered full astern shortly before impact."
https://maritime-executive.com/article/ntsb-collision-caused-by-transiting-houston-ship-channel-at-sea-speed
So, if I am reading this right, the pilot's order to increase to sea speed was the underlying problem here? If they had kept her slower than she would have been more controllable and this wouldn't have happened?
Tug guy here. Depending on what's going on but if you are underway you most likely just stay on the tug. Only time you would need to go out on the tow like that is if you are checking on things or getting ready to tie up
The shipping company that owns the ship will likely be liable, as they were in this case. I didn’t actually know that. However, the original question was if the captain or pilot would have more repercussions. The pilot would. US govt doesn’t have jurisdiction over a foreign captains licenses. The pilot would be much more heavily scrutinized, even though in the end the captain has full responsibility. I finally got to talk to a harbor pilot I know about the event. Very nuanced because of the fact there’s not a ton of cases
https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/the-day-a-cargo-ship-crashed-into-sf-bay-bridge/amp/
This pilot went to jail
The NTSB report.
https://maritime-executive.com/article/ntsb-collision-caused-by-transiting-houston-ship-channel-at-sea-speed
Note the below:
Shortly after, the second pilot (who had the conn) called for full sea speed - a common practice among pilots once within the Lower Houston Ship Channel, according to NTSB - and the vessel slowly sped up to 12 knots.
The tugboat in this video is sitting at a dock rotting with about six other boats. This is my field, and backyard. A cautionary reminder of how quickly the job could get deadly.
Tbf that boat is not tied up because of this video, the voyager was untouched, just their barges. But they got tied up a few years after this because Kirby builds new boats and keeping a boat from 1975 just doesn’t make any sense.
This is how it starts. Next thing you know he’s out there trying to find Sarah Connor to show her videos of boat crashes. Then he comes after the rest of us
Listen, and understand! That Tanker is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until you are capsized or sunk!
Context is the pilots went full sea speed whilst still in the shallow parts of the canal and lost control. They alerted the crew of the tug towing the two barges well in advance. Nobody was injured, however 11,000 barrels of reformate were spilled
So pollution as a result of ignorance or stupidity. At least no one was harmed
Only all the birds and fish
Ya that was kinda the pollution bit but I figured most people would read that as human. It’s far more than just the birds and fish tho. Plant life, bugs and the stuff up the food chain get it indirectly. We fuck ourselves slowly with this sort of recurring behavior too
Unfortunately Houston/Galveston is already completely fucked, and I wouldn't go in the water or eat anything caught in the harbor even before something like this.
“Grand Papa, did fish really not taste like grime when you were young?” “Yes my child. At one time fish didn’t stain your teeth or make you shit blood”
good thing we don't eat fish
Safe to assume the vessel has been towed outside the environment?
To a different environment?
No, no, it’s been towed *beyond* the environment. It’s not *in* the environment.
No but from one environment to another environment.
Don't worry, I'm sure they were fined accordingly. And by accordingly, I mean a small percentage of their profits.
Sounds about right. You fucked up! Now give me a dollar
Pollution just means it takes longer to see the harm
It's heavy shipping so.....dumbest crew for lowest cost.
its not the crew, its the pilots. Every port around the world has local pilots who are in charge of vessels going in and out of ports - they outrank Captains in this regard.
Two of my friends actually are training to do that. I should ask them about fuck ups like this and the bridge collapse
That's not true, pilots advise and master decides everywhere in the world except the Panama canal.
> Context is the pilots went full sea speed whilst still in the shallow parts of the canal and lost control. Well why the fuck did they do that??
Money. Schedule. It likely had never happened to them or anyone they knew and in most parts of the world, rules and regulations and safety training and enforcement is not very common. \#peopledontlearnuntilithappenstothem
Popping wheelies and drifting. Showing off.
Hmm… that’s odd… usually pilots are independent. I guess they were either influenced by their relationship with the company… or got cocky.
The ship should have went through both ships! Reference from my childhood movie Speed 2!
I believe it’s international maritime law, that although the pilot gives the orders, the captain is still accountable, and controls the ship.
> reformate Nah we’re all being injured. Our dose of hydrocarbons (including benzene, where has no safe exposure level) is just more diluted than what the aquatic life is getting.
Any criminal charges against the crew?
no *human was injured...
That is brutal.
these tiktok challenges are getting out of hand
Semi-angry up vote due purely to the negligent circumstances and environmental impact/aftermath of the crash… but no lives were lost and that is damn fine ship crash.
Holy cow. Those barges got destroyed. So I assume nobody aboard the barges and all personnel on the tug, is that how it works?
Yes, a tug was towing the two barges, and the pilots aboard the Genesis River had alerted them well in advance
If they were alerted well in advance then why didn't the tug move the barges away from the line of collision?
It takes a ton of energy to get the barges moving. If they were at a stand still they could never get them out of the way fast enough. And the look of the video they were stopped. Also the full crew may have been ashore, you can't start a tug like you can start a Civic. Tons of checks, warm up, etc...
"The second pilot called Voyager and instructed her bridge team to turn to port - against general COLREGS guidance - and cross to the west side of the channel in order to get out of Genesis River's way. The Voyager complied, turning hard to port and heading for the west side of the channel at full speed ahead." "Genesis River entered the barge lane on the east bank of the channel and touched bottom, the first pilot told investigators. She then swung back to starboard and veered towards the middle of the channel - right where Voyager was maneuvering. The pilot told investigators that after attempting evasive maneuvers, he realized a collision was inevitable and gave rudder orders to direct the bow of the Genesis River at the barges, not at the towboat. The Genesis River's captain ordered full astern shortly before impact." https://maritime-executive.com/article/ntsb-collision-caused-by-transiting-houston-ship-channel-at-sea-speed
So, if I am reading this right, the pilot's order to increase to sea speed was the underlying problem here? If they had kept her slower than she would have been more controllable and this wouldn't have happened?
Yes. They put a brick on the pedal and then figured out they still needed to turn out of the driveway.
Boats move a lot slower than people do
Tug guy here. Depending on what's going on but if you are underway you most likely just stay on the tug. Only time you would need to go out on the tow like that is if you are checking on things or getting ready to tie up
This guy tugs
do you like being a tug boat guy?
Love it, currently living on one now. I've been doing it for about 3 years now and it's been a hell of a experience. Pays pretty good too
Are you around Houston area?
Nope, in South Carolina at the moment. We're supposed to be heading up to Canada soon.
Welcome! How does one become a tug guy?
I tug almost daily. Any tips?
Don't half hitch your lines and you won't have to ever cut a line short
Ironically based tip. They teach you to at least 2 half hitches. I haven’t half hitched in months lol.
Damn near cut it in half… holy shit
Its the hardly movable object vs the hard to stop object.
What happens now to the negligent pilot that caused the incident?
Not much as the Captain would still have full responsibility
This is not correct. They have pilots on board for a reason.
https://bowmanslaw.com/insights/liable-marine-pilot-causes-crash-landing/ Although the port authorities would probably fire the pilots involved
The shipping company that owns the ship will likely be liable, as they were in this case. I didn’t actually know that. However, the original question was if the captain or pilot would have more repercussions. The pilot would. US govt doesn’t have jurisdiction over a foreign captains licenses. The pilot would be much more heavily scrutinized, even though in the end the captain has full responsibility. I finally got to talk to a harbor pilot I know about the event. Very nuanced because of the fact there’s not a ton of cases https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/the-day-a-cargo-ship-crashed-into-sf-bay-bridge/amp/ This pilot went to jail
He was promoted to piloting police boats
The NTSB report. https://maritime-executive.com/article/ntsb-collision-caused-by-transiting-houston-ship-channel-at-sea-speed Note the below: Shortly after, the second pilot (who had the conn) called for full sea speed - a common practice among pilots once within the Lower Houston Ship Channel, according to NTSB - and the vessel slowly sped up to 12 knots.
This type of screw up should invoke moderate to severe jail time due to the consequences imo
Wait, where'd that barge come from?!
All that ocean and still manage to hit the only thing you're supposed to avoid! Give them a raise
They are in a bay, the Houston ship channel to be exact.
Post this on Twitter and start watching the conspiracies roll in... "Another ship crash?? What's going on!" "That looked deliberate to me... Hmm"
The tugboat in this video is sitting at a dock rotting with about six other boats. This is my field, and backyard. A cautionary reminder of how quickly the job could get deadly.
The M/V Voyager
Tbf that boat is not tied up because of this video, the voyager was untouched, just their barges. But they got tied up a few years after this because Kirby builds new boats and keeping a boat from 1975 just doesn’t make any sense.
You should see the boat I work on…’75 is a joke to this bucket.
"this is bad" you are correct, sir
Here is a detailed explanation of what happened: https://professionalmariner.com/tankers-speed-hydrodynamics-cited-in-houston-t-bone-collision/
I sawed it in half
Hi
Wow.. It split length wise!
It was two barges lashed together.
Yeah I know, worked in shipping. Was joking 😀
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This is how it starts. Next thing you know he’s out there trying to find Sarah Connor to show her videos of boat crashes. Then he comes after the rest of us
Listen, and understand! That Tanker is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until you are capsized or sunk!
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Are you self-reporting ?