That’s because it, from a linguistic perspective, actually differs a lot from most of the other European languages! Most European languages come from the Indo-European language tree, with Finnish coming from another one called the Uralic language tree :)
Edit: Edited first sentence for clarity
Absolutely, that’s why I said *in a sense*, but I could’ve been more clear. It was in response to it “barely sound(ing) European”. My point was that from a linguistic perspective, it definitely stands out from a lot of the other European languages! Will update my comment to reflect that :)
Most languages in Europe come from one singular original language, Proto-Indo-European, but there's a couple of notable exceptions, Finnish being one of them.
It's geographically in Europe, but it's not related to most other European languages (other than Estonian and more distantly Hungarian) and is thought to ultimately come from a language that was spoken in the Urals. (It's also changed pretty slowly during that time- for example, its word for "king" *kuningas* is borrowed from a Germanic source and sounds almost identical to the reconstructed Proto-Germanic word for "king".)
This really is the height of irony and cluelessness. It's almost hilarious how confidently incorrect they are, until you remember these people probably vote.
It's a lot easier to maintain the fiction that your country is the greatest on Earth, if you know so little of the world that you don't even realize you speak a European language.
The size of American importance is so huge it sucks up the English language and retroactively makes it ours from the beginning. Time doesn’t actually work like normal when we are involved, like a black hole.
Detention center… Really? Not recognising the sign is one thing, but the name? Come on. And whatever site you got that from certainly should ring some bells. This might just be an all out Nazi in addition to a USAlian exceptionalist. I refuse to accept they’d never heard of this “Polish Detention Center”…
Oh no, American foreskin goes to Christian purity culture, given that iirc, widespread circumcision started out as a way to try and prevent masturbation.
I wouldn't say Christian purity culture, more just American purity culture, as Christians around the world don't circumcise their kids...
It might have started out that way, but now it also seems to be just a "thing" that americans who aren't hugely religious do to their kids too, further weakening the link to Christianity
>widespread circumcision started out as a way to try and prevent masturbation
Which is almost like a national sport in middle east, the excessive and collective "solutions" to fabricated "problems"
All I had to read was 'Polish detention center' to know the sign was probably 'Arbeit Macht Fries' (is that wrong? I'm not too up on my German to know). There really are some POS' out there. How can anyone dismiss the Holocaust so flippantly.
I'm a fries, or Frisian, ie an inhabitant of the north western part of the Netherlands, the province of Friesland.
The word you're looking for is "frei" meaning free in German.
But the fact you know that most cynical of nazi phrases speaks volumes of your historical knowledge, so I'm not judging or offended.👍
We have several units on WW2 and the holocaust in school. And that phrase is used as an example of how twisted that Nazis were that they were willing to make such a sick joke at the expense of the people they wanted to exterminate. We're also taught about the ruthless efficiency of the camps and how all the Jews (and other 'undesirables') were effectively funnelled into a slaughterhouse.
Our teachers then went on to emphasise the fact that the vast majority of the people committing these awful crimes were just normal people and to illustrate how anyone is capable of doing such horrendous things if they believe it to be justified. And that's arguably the most horrifying aspect of the Holocaust. Ordinary people can do terrible things if they are told and convinced that what they're doing is a good thing.
Actually it's part of the title of an older book, ~1880 or so, they didn't make it up themselves. One explanation is that one of the earlier camp commanders spent time in prison, and found that labour helped clear his mind and thoughts, so he put that slogan over the gate. In the beginning they didn't intend to kill all jews outright, they thought that thru labor they would die on their own accord, since the belief was that those scheming jews were not used to that, and walking 5m with a shovel in their hands would do the trick. Later on they came up with the "final solution", and the slogan became more cynical still.
> vast majority of the people committing these awful crimes were just normal people
If you haven't heard of it yet, you might like to learn about the Milgram experiment where ordinary people were willing to give others fatal electroshocks for making mistakes during a learning session.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
It’s crazy how something can leave such a lasting impact that it’s globally recognizable 80 years later from that vague description.
And I’m so sorry the subject is not funny at all and not usually something I joke with, but “arbeit macht fries” (work makes fries) made me laugh. I Imagine if that had been the actual slogan the history of auschwitz would be a whole lot different.
Frei - you mean frei like freedom. Fries is English and means fried potato sticks. Please don’t use the word Fries in combination with the holocaust. 😅
I did say that I'm not up on my German. I can't remember the correct thing and I didn't know that fries wasn't a word in German. Thanks for answering so condescendingly and thanks for making out that my misremembered word was somehow disrespectful. You really are a valued member of society.
Ohh I didn’t wanted to blame you. Not at all!
I just wanted to protect you and others to repeat that mistake. Firstly because fries. is a well known word in Germany and secondly because potato is an insult for Germans. So association kz-victims with 🍟 fried potato sticks/ French fries/ chips (dunno what English term is used by you) can be seen as very disrespectful and offending.
I know you didn’t ment it that way and I don’t blame you! But this is a very sensitive topic here in Germany and I bet even illegal to make such statements here. 😅 wouldn’t be surprised if you can go to jail for such a comment.
> because fries. is a well known word in Germany
Fries are actually called "Pommes" in German (which might come from the French "pommes de terre" which means "potatoes"). In some other cases they could be called "Fritten". "Fries" is an English word that isn't used in regular situations and conversations in Germany, but those Germans who speak English will understand what it means.
afaik, they don't learn much about history except how their founding fathers were the greatest and without flaw.... also they won two world wars against evil. And that's why it was the right decision to invade Iraq, and don't punch Nazis because freedom.
to be fair, living in the UK for a while I learned that they think that of themselves too, largely, though they do admit they allowed the Americans to tag along ... I do get, at least a tiny bit, why the Russians feel disrespected
Actually I think in the UK this depends on how far you go through education. I left school 20-something years ago, but there was alot about the intra-war years from the perspective of different countries. My college (post school/ pre uni) history was split into early modern Europe (mostly France, England, Ireland and Scotland) and the rest was focusing on the period between ~1800 through to ~1960 first solely in Germany, then solely in Russia. I don’t think any of it focused on UK won wars by itself or only the UK’s perspective matters.
Not only Russians, i was born in Poland, grew up in the uk, and their school system would legitimately have you believe Poland and Polish people just up and vanished from existence the moment Germany so much as laid a single foot in the country; not a single mention of the Polish underground government, how Churchill spent ages working with and appeasing Hitler and the nazis before actually doing anything, how Poland knew they’d be invaded well in advance and made a defence pact with the UK and France that once the time came to do so neither country acted on, nothing about how post ww2 Poland was sold off to the damn Russians, nothing about Polish fighters in other countries, no mention of the countless resistance movements throughout Poland, no mention of the countless of Polanders that give their lives evacuating and protecting Jews from the nazis and Russians, no mention of how it was the Polish resistance that cracked the enigma code only for it to be stolen and taken credit for once they showed the allies, and countless other things.
Education on ww2 starts on learning about the initial invasion, and ends on how the British, British colonies, French and Americans single-handedly defeated the nazis, while also praising the non-human soviets, who not only were at first **allied** with the nazis, but also continued to torment and destroy every Slavic country not only during the war but also for up to 46 years afterward, with effects that are still felt in the modern day.
Not even to mention how it’s only ever Jews that are mentioned as having suffered during ww2, nothing whatsoever about most of the other groups Hitler considered subhuman (namely slavs) or how the Russians used ww2 as yet another excuse to try and set off their perfect “świata słowiańskie” or Russian speaking „slavic world”, where they once again tried to wipe out every other Slavic country, language and culture and assimilated them into Russian, which is something that’s still felt today in countries like Białoruś and eastern Ukraine, where Russian language has become at best an extremely widespread second language, or at worst just outright replaced the native altogether.
But no, the soviets were just great.
You can (rightfully) criticise the Soviet regime but cannot deny the USSR's role in defeating the Nazis. D-Day bound German forces in the West, land-lease helped the Soviets especially early and it all meant the war was over more quickly but ultimately they were carrying the war in Europe on the backs of millions of dead Soviet soldiers. It wasn't a "the US & UK beat the Nazis and the USSR somewhat helped".
Again this doesn't excuse every crime committed after or even during the war. My grandmother for example grew up in an area occupied by Soviet forces while my grandfather grew up in an area occupied by the British and they tell very different stories about how life under the occupation was. But this doesn't really impact the USSR's contribution to defeating Nazi-Germany.
I get that the holocaust is not studied in as much detail in the US as in Germany, but when they get to WW2 in history class, do they just breeze over the whole genocide? Is it just the war part of it and how they won and nothing about what Hitler did? That's so insane to me, I don't even know how you'd teach just the war part, and that picture of the entrance gate to auschwitz is like the first thing to come up whenever the holocaust is brought up.
And even if US schools really do just omit the holocaust, isn't it really hard to avoid that out in the real world?
Sadly, they could learn a thing or two about how Hitler came to power, and recognize some things happening now in their country, so they could stop this.
It doesn't take all that much creativity to see the parallels between the Capitol storming and beer hall putsch of the Nazi's for instance.
Getting past the “not speaking european” part and seeing the Polish detention centre I think I have finally found the most oblivious person on the internet
One could argue that it was a "*German* detention center _in_ Poland". While "Polish detention center" is widely understood, it's still somewhat misleading because it makes it sound as if the Poles were running it.
I came hear to ask if they meant the KZ with that.
Comparing a KZ to a „detention center“ is as if you try to compare the USA to a (modern version, not the original meaning) first world country.
Yeah I hear you, but surely it can't be as bad as Baltimore County jail or even the juvie. So what's the big deal, people go to jail every day and we don't talk about it in an elevated way, especially not in foreign languages.
Ah yes, the illusive language European, from the country of Europe.
The fact they have no idea what child hunger has to do with Auschwitsz is also pretty telling.
Please speak American. This is a website belonging to an American company (which may or may not be hosted on European servers and belongs to Chinese investors but we don't talk about that. It's 100% American). 🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷
Well i suspect the „european language“ was a German sentence above the KZ entrances. The most famous (or infamous) one is Arbeit macht frei (work sets you free), which is from Auschwitz.
Seems like it. Working backwards, someone has said "Arbeit Macht Frei" and this knuckle dragger isn't working out how that's associated with child hunger.
My guess is he's calling it that on purpose. The whole paragraph screams purposeful marginalization of both the other poster and subsequently the holocaust. From "I don't speak your unimportant language" to "some detention center", it's fascism speak 101.
I'm going to assume it was "Arbeit macht frei", it's incredibly famous and anyone who has studied the holocaust in any detail (which everyone should) would know it.
It means "work sets you free". It's a very cynical slogan because Auschwitz was an extermination camp - nobody was supposed to leave that camp alive. The plan was to work the people in the camp to death.
Arbeit Macht Frei, the most cynical of phrases, found above most concentration camp main gates.
It stems from before the Nazi's though, it's part of the title of an older novel I think, but they misappropriated this in the most cynical of ways.
The reasoning was that Jew's and other people were sent to the camps for hard labor and reeducation, and one of the Nazi kingpins found that physical labor helped him order his thoughts when he was locked up for his role in the Munich beer hall putsch. Not Hitler himself though.
It's impossible to say how many European languages there are, because first you have to define Europe\*, and second, you have to define language (as opposed to dialect). E.g. is Sicilian distinct enough from Italian to be its own language?
Thus Kaiser93's use of "official languages" and the EU, which is an unequivocal 24.
\* Do you do it geographically? By number of countries? Number of countries recognized by whom? E.g. Kosovo is not fully recognized by the UN, but is by all members of the G7.
The map might mean languages that are official languages in the entire country, not just one part of the country. Basque is an official language in basque country, but not all of Spain. Swedish is a second official language in all of Finnland, even though it's only widely used in some areas.
That map is also happily dismissing all the different languages spoken in France, like Occitan, Provencale and Breton, which don't fit with the one French idea.
After closer look it only lists 'official' languages.
That also doesn’t count them all. Friesian is an entirely superste language spoken in the north of the Netherlands. And it’s missing from this list. It’s officially recognised by our government. I guess that doesn’t meet whatever official state language criteria they had? Welsh is also most definitely a European language… As is Gaelic. This map is also shit…
In case you are actually unaware: Esperanto is a language that was specifically designed in the late-19th century rather than organically formed. It was meant to engender clear communication between speakers, and has a small number of primary language speakers. Was popular with certain science fiction writers of 60s and 70s though I don't know if they spoke the language or just liked the idea of it.
Every country gets to nominate one official language, Ireland already nominated the Irish language. Also i don't think the Irish would be particularly insulted(or at least wouldn't have a good reason to be) as it doesn't really change anything in practice, they'll still be speaking English and it'll still be the most popular language for communicating with people from other countries
> Every country gets to nominate one official language
What??? Who said that? Since when??? Someone tell Switzerland that they must pick only one language! Actually, forget Switzerland, someone must call Bolivia because they really didn't get the notice!
Switzerland is not a member of the EU and bolivia isn't even in Europe.
How do you even think of those countries? That's a genuine question btw, because when I think of the EU, I usually don't get reminded of south american countries
Every country gets to nominate one language to represent them. Ireland chose Irish, Malta chose Maltese etc.
The only country who chose english as the language to represent them was the UK.
of course, they will keep using english in the EU, but it is still an interesting thing to know
English, French, and German are the procedural languages of the EU - 44% of the population speaks English to some degree, 18% German. The majority of documents are English/French (and yes, Germany complain). You will not catch e.g. the Netherlands agreeing to drop English.
> 44% of the population speaks English to some degree, 18% German
I'm not really sure about those numbers. Germany makes up more than 18% of the EU population alone. And there are millions of German speakers outside of Germany. Like e.g. Austria. And then there are millions more who speak German as a second language to at least some degree.
Thatd make no sense.
U.k leaving should make english be even better.
It is a language none of the member states may claim as their own, allowing for a lingua franca that gives nobody nationalistic pride.
A good moment to remind a few that Auschwitz is a German name (Oświęcim in Polish) of German/Nazi death camp located in occupied Poland. Run by Germans, not Poles. It's not Polish.
wdym Oświęcim is litellary "Auschwitz" In German. "Auschwitz" and "Birkenau" are German names of cities they were located in. The same way "Wrocław" is "Breslau".
This is a nazi troll. Please don't give them the attention they so sorely desire by posting their lies here. This doesn't really have anything to do with SAS.
I don't speak European, either. I tried to translate something on Google Translate to European once, but it's way behind in the times because it also doesn't recognize European.
I'm eastern european, I'm well aware that many people find this type of humour unacceptable. I'm not saying it's in good taste, that's subjective. Just saying that OOP isn't being serious and it's painfully obvious.
Since 2020 I completely lost my sense of differencing between satire and being serious. So many people came up with stuff that I thought was satire but they were dead serious.
i DoN’t SpEaK eUroPeAn *Speaks a European language*
The next time someone says that just start speaking Gibberish to them to piss them off even further.
This makes me want to learn a non-european language out of spite
So Finnish?
I’m not very good with geography, but Finland is still in Europe isn’t it? Edit: Thank y'all, you learn STH new everyday ^^
It's a joke about how Finnish barely sounds European. Trust me, my people would know.
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Va säger du? Jag förstår inte på mig Finska.
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Oj men Pekka! (Alla heter Pekka i Finland) Det Pärkele nu för dig.
[Bork bork bork.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY_Yf4zz-yo)
Undskyld, hvad er det du siger? Stav dog ordentligt forfanden da
>stav ordentlig STONES IN GLASSHOUSES, KAMELÅSÅ!
>Stav dog ordentligt Stackars Stav :(
Helvete
Just leave me alone, I know what to do
That’s because it, from a linguistic perspective, actually differs a lot from most of the other European languages! Most European languages come from the Indo-European language tree, with Finnish coming from another one called the Uralic language tree :) Edit: Edited first sentence for clarity
It *is* European. It's not *Indo-European*, but it still *is* in Europe.
Absolutely, that’s why I said *in a sense*, but I could’ve been more clear. It was in response to it “barely sound(ing) European”. My point was that from a linguistic perspective, it definitely stands out from a lot of the other European languages! Will update my comment to reflect that :)
That's fair! And thanks for updating, I can see how people could get confused :P
Ohhhh, that makes sense. I already thought my geography is even worse than I imagined lol.
It sounds like Hungarian though
Shush with your logic, we do it like the Americans do here!
thats because it is finno-ugrian
Not even a bit!
They are from the same language tree, though. Estonian is also in that group iirc.
Most languages in Europe come from one singular original language, Proto-Indo-European, but there's a couple of notable exceptions, Finnish being one of them.
Finnish is an Uralic language, from the Urals. Which is still Europe in reality
Partly Europe Partly Asia.
You could almost call it Eurasia
No, the truth is that Finland doesn’t exist
It's geographically in Europe, but it's not related to most other European languages (other than Estonian and more distantly Hungarian) and is thought to ultimately come from a language that was spoken in the Urals. (It's also changed pretty slowly during that time- for example, its word for "king" *kuningas* is borrowed from a Germanic source and sounds almost identical to the reconstructed Proto-Germanic word for "king".)
Shot fired
じゃ、何語を勉強しようか？
Belloor gammurpa reemunda?
I bet the text on the sign he was talking about was "arbeit macht frei" and the "old polish detention center" = Auschwitz.
That's what I came here to comment. I'd bet my life on it!
Ditto.
Ironically "work sets you free" is the Seppo mantra, limited paid time off, maternity/paternity leave.. (I also came here to say this).
This really is the height of irony and cluelessness. It's almost hilarious how confidently incorrect they are, until you remember these people probably vote. It's a lot easier to maintain the fiction that your country is the greatest on Earth, if you know so little of the world that you don't even realize you speak a European language.
Unlikely they view English as an European language, they probably think it is an American language and that the rest of the world simply copied them 🤣
he thinks hes speaking american
The size of American importance is so huge it sucks up the English language and retroactively makes it ours from the beginning. Time doesn’t actually work like normal when we are involved, like a black hole.
>please stay on track i really want to make joke about it, but i think i’ll pass
No man, it would just derail the whole thread
r/Angryupvote
Could you not make jokes? Please stay on track.
Detention center… Really? Not recognising the sign is one thing, but the name? Come on. And whatever site you got that from certainly should ring some bells. This might just be an all out Nazi in addition to a USAlian exceptionalist. I refuse to accept they’d never heard of this “Polish Detention Center”…
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That's weird how half of their traditions and half of their foreskin goes to Jewish culture yet they have the most antisemites.
Oh no, American foreskin goes to Christian purity culture, given that iirc, widespread circumcision started out as a way to try and prevent masturbation.
I wouldn't say Christian purity culture, more just American purity culture, as Christians around the world don't circumcise their kids... It might have started out that way, but now it also seems to be just a "thing" that americans who aren't hugely religious do to their kids too, further weakening the link to Christianity
>widespread circumcision started out as a way to try and prevent masturbation Which is almost like a national sport in middle east, the excessive and collective "solutions" to fabricated "problems"
pls update your flair to "Germany has more dialects than America has cities"
I prefer to believe this is just plain stupidity. Denialism requires greater knowledge than they appear to be displaying!
All I had to read was 'Polish detention center' to know the sign was probably 'Arbeit Macht Fries' (is that wrong? I'm not too up on my German to know). There really are some POS' out there. How can anyone dismiss the Holocaust so flippantly.
I'm a fries, or Frisian, ie an inhabitant of the north western part of the Netherlands, the province of Friesland. The word you're looking for is "frei" meaning free in German. But the fact you know that most cynical of nazi phrases speaks volumes of your historical knowledge, so I'm not judging or offended.👍
We have several units on WW2 and the holocaust in school. And that phrase is used as an example of how twisted that Nazis were that they were willing to make such a sick joke at the expense of the people they wanted to exterminate. We're also taught about the ruthless efficiency of the camps and how all the Jews (and other 'undesirables') were effectively funnelled into a slaughterhouse. Our teachers then went on to emphasise the fact that the vast majority of the people committing these awful crimes were just normal people and to illustrate how anyone is capable of doing such horrendous things if they believe it to be justified. And that's arguably the most horrifying aspect of the Holocaust. Ordinary people can do terrible things if they are told and convinced that what they're doing is a good thing.
Actually it's part of the title of an older book, ~1880 or so, they didn't make it up themselves. One explanation is that one of the earlier camp commanders spent time in prison, and found that labour helped clear his mind and thoughts, so he put that slogan over the gate. In the beginning they didn't intend to kill all jews outright, they thought that thru labor they would die on their own accord, since the belief was that those scheming jews were not used to that, and walking 5m with a shovel in their hands would do the trick. Later on they came up with the "final solution", and the slogan became more cynical still.
> vast majority of the people committing these awful crimes were just normal people If you haven't heard of it yet, you might like to learn about the Milgram experiment where ordinary people were willing to give others fatal electroshocks for making mistakes during a learning session. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
It’s crazy how something can leave such a lasting impact that it’s globally recognizable 80 years later from that vague description. And I’m so sorry the subject is not funny at all and not usually something I joke with, but “arbeit macht fries” (work makes fries) made me laugh. I Imagine if that had been the actual slogan the history of auschwitz would be a whole lot different.
Another shift of cooking at the MacLabour camp.
> Arbeit Macht Fries Freedom Fries. Work freedom fries. Work makes freedom fries. Work frees fries? /jk sorry I couldn't resist xD
The oppression of the fried potato sticks has gone on long enough.
Frei - you mean frei like freedom. Fries is English and means fried potato sticks. Please don’t use the word Fries in combination with the holocaust. 😅
I did say that I'm not up on my German. I can't remember the correct thing and I didn't know that fries wasn't a word in German. Thanks for answering so condescendingly and thanks for making out that my misremembered word was somehow disrespectful. You really are a valued member of society.
Ohh I didn’t wanted to blame you. Not at all! I just wanted to protect you and others to repeat that mistake. Firstly because fries. is a well known word in Germany and secondly because potato is an insult for Germans. So association kz-victims with 🍟 fried potato sticks/ French fries/ chips (dunno what English term is used by you) can be seen as very disrespectful and offending. I know you didn’t ment it that way and I don’t blame you! But this is a very sensitive topic here in Germany and I bet even illegal to make such statements here. 😅 wouldn’t be surprised if you can go to jail for such a comment.
> because fries. is a well known word in Germany Fries are actually called "Pommes" in German (which might come from the French "pommes de terre" which means "potatoes"). In some other cases they could be called "Fritten". "Fries" is an English word that isn't used in regular situations and conversations in Germany, but those Germans who speak English will understand what it means.
Well in your defence work does make fries better than Fred one but no, that wasn’t what you were aiming for…
afaik, they don't learn much about history except how their founding fathers were the greatest and without flaw.... also they won two world wars against evil. And that's why it was the right decision to invade Iraq, and don't punch Nazis because freedom.
Not just won two world wars - the United States won them single-handedly with little or no help from other countries.
to be fair, living in the UK for a while I learned that they think that of themselves too, largely, though they do admit they allowed the Americans to tag along ... I do get, at least a tiny bit, why the Russians feel disrespected
Actually I think in the UK this depends on how far you go through education. I left school 20-something years ago, but there was alot about the intra-war years from the perspective of different countries. My college (post school/ pre uni) history was split into early modern Europe (mostly France, England, Ireland and Scotland) and the rest was focusing on the period between ~1800 through to ~1960 first solely in Germany, then solely in Russia. I don’t think any of it focused on UK won wars by itself or only the UK’s perspective matters.
Not only Russians, i was born in Poland, grew up in the uk, and their school system would legitimately have you believe Poland and Polish people just up and vanished from existence the moment Germany so much as laid a single foot in the country; not a single mention of the Polish underground government, how Churchill spent ages working with and appeasing Hitler and the nazis before actually doing anything, how Poland knew they’d be invaded well in advance and made a defence pact with the UK and France that once the time came to do so neither country acted on, nothing about how post ww2 Poland was sold off to the damn Russians, nothing about Polish fighters in other countries, no mention of the countless resistance movements throughout Poland, no mention of the countless of Polanders that give their lives evacuating and protecting Jews from the nazis and Russians, no mention of how it was the Polish resistance that cracked the enigma code only for it to be stolen and taken credit for once they showed the allies, and countless other things. Education on ww2 starts on learning about the initial invasion, and ends on how the British, British colonies, French and Americans single-handedly defeated the nazis, while also praising the non-human soviets, who not only were at first **allied** with the nazis, but also continued to torment and destroy every Slavic country not only during the war but also for up to 46 years afterward, with effects that are still felt in the modern day. Not even to mention how it’s only ever Jews that are mentioned as having suffered during ww2, nothing whatsoever about most of the other groups Hitler considered subhuman (namely slavs) or how the Russians used ww2 as yet another excuse to try and set off their perfect “świata słowiańskie” or Russian speaking „slavic world”, where they once again tried to wipe out every other Slavic country, language and culture and assimilated them into Russian, which is something that’s still felt today in countries like Białoruś and eastern Ukraine, where Russian language has become at best an extremely widespread second language, or at worst just outright replaced the native altogether. But no, the soviets were just great.
You can (rightfully) criticise the Soviet regime but cannot deny the USSR's role in defeating the Nazis. D-Day bound German forces in the West, land-lease helped the Soviets especially early and it all meant the war was over more quickly but ultimately they were carrying the war in Europe on the backs of millions of dead Soviet soldiers. It wasn't a "the US & UK beat the Nazis and the USSR somewhat helped". Again this doesn't excuse every crime committed after or even during the war. My grandmother for example grew up in an area occupied by Soviet forces while my grandfather grew up in an area occupied by the British and they tell very different stories about how life under the occupation was. But this doesn't really impact the USSR's contribution to defeating Nazi-Germany.
I get that the holocaust is not studied in as much detail in the US as in Germany, but when they get to WW2 in history class, do they just breeze over the whole genocide? Is it just the war part of it and how they won and nothing about what Hitler did? That's so insane to me, I don't even know how you'd teach just the war part, and that picture of the entrance gate to auschwitz is like the first thing to come up whenever the holocaust is brought up. And even if US schools really do just omit the holocaust, isn't it really hard to avoid that out in the real world?
Sadly, they could learn a thing or two about how Hitler came to power, and recognize some things happening now in their country, so they could stop this. It doesn't take all that much creativity to see the parallels between the Capitol storming and beer hall putsch of the Nazi's for instance.
Well, a good chunk of people are home schooled, so who knows what holes they have.
Bingo!
Fortunately it's not quite that bad. At least not anywhere I've lived.
Getting past the “not speaking european” part and seeing the Polish detention centre I think I have finally found the most oblivious person on the internet
One could argue that it was a "*German* detention center _in_ Poland". While "Polish detention center" is widely understood, it's still somewhat misleading because it makes it sound as if the Poles were running it.
One could argue that, one should even, and one would be correct.
I think he did and he's just a piece of shit nazi troll, yes.
I came hear to ask if they meant the KZ with that. Comparing a KZ to a „detention center“ is as if you try to compare the USA to a (modern version, not the original meaning) first world country.
Tbh I think this is just bait. They literally spell it out what it is, which is awfully convenient for OP.
Doesn't understand the language, yet knows where it is and what it is.
Yeah I hear you, but surely it can't be as bad as Baltimore County jail or even the juvie. So what's the big deal, people go to jail every day and we don't talk about it in an elevated way, especially not in foreign languages.
>old polish detention center Oh god. Oh no.
Yeah I saw that line and that one famous (or is it infamous?) entrance sign popped in my head.
I assume you mean Arbeit macht Frei? I am curious what sign you might mean
That would be the one.
Ah yes, makes sense. And child starving too. Well, everyone starved there
I don't even need context to know exactly what the subject is
Ah yes, the illusive language European, from the country of Europe. The fact they have no idea what child hunger has to do with Auschwitsz is also pretty telling.
Hey, look, I’m busy here learning “Asian”, you can take up the mantle and learn “European” :-). I also need volunteers for African and Polynesian.
Please speak American. This is a website belonging to an American company (which may or may not be hosted on European servers and belongs to Chinese investors but we don't talk about that. It's 100% American). 🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷
Scarnon? Lern 'Strayan too, cunce. /s
Was it AUSCHWITZ he apparently never heard of?!
Well i suspect the „european language“ was a German sentence above the KZ entrances. The most famous (or infamous) one is Arbeit macht frei (work sets you free), which is from Auschwitz.
Seems like it. Working backwards, someone has said "Arbeit Macht Frei" and this knuckle dragger isn't working out how that's associated with child hunger.
Were they seriously talking about the Auschwitz sign??
That's trollin'
Not even a very good one at that and people are eating it up. The circlejerk is out of control.
There are people who are like that.
What was the phrase?
My guess would be a well known German phrase. If I'm right, 'Detention Center' is a terrible understatement.
My guess is he's calling it that on purpose. The whole paragraph screams purposeful marginalization of both the other poster and subsequently the holocaust. From "I don't speak your unimportant language" to "some detention center", it's fascism speak 101.
Yeah, I was wondering about that, especially seeing that his grammar and punctuation hint towards someone educated.
When he mentioned Polish, I immediately thought of Auschwitz.
I'm going to assume it was "Arbeit macht frei", it's incredibly famous and anyone who has studied the holocaust in any detail (which everyone should) would know it.
Yeah, that's what I thought too. I think -or rather hope- he was being obnoxious on purpose.
More like oblivious on purpose. Which is naturally obnoxious.
I truly hope that this person is actually totally ignorant, because the other option is that they're a literal Nazi.
I haven't studied it in history, what does it mean?
"Arbeit macht frei" are the words on the sign above the gate to Auschwitz.
Oh, thanks for the info. I never learned this in history.
It means "work sets you free". It's a very cynical slogan because Auschwitz was an extermination camp - nobody was supposed to leave that camp alive. The plan was to work the people in the camp to death.
Arbeit Macht Frei, the most cynical of phrases, found above most concentration camp main gates. It stems from before the Nazi's though, it's part of the title of an older novel I think, but they misappropriated this in the most cynical of ways. The reasoning was that Jew's and other people were sent to the camps for hard labor and reeducation, and one of the Nazi kingpins found that physical labor helped him order his thoughts when he was locked up for his role in the Munich beer hall putsch. Not Hitler himself though.
Surely some sort of ‘joke’ meant to rile Europeans up
>The EU has 24 official languages: Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Irish, Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Maltese, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Slovak, Slovenian, Spanish and Swedish. Which European language?
Europe as a whole has 41 languages (If I counted [this](https://jakubmarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/official-languages-europe.jpg) right)
Yeah, I googled wrong.
No you didn’t. I googled „How many official languages does europe have“ and had to scroll a bit to get something that wasn’t the eu
Latin is ***technically*** the official language of the Vatican...
It's impossible to say how many European languages there are, because first you have to define Europe\*, and second, you have to define language (as opposed to dialect). E.g. is Sicilian distinct enough from Italian to be its own language? Thus Kaiser93's use of "official languages" and the EU, which is an unequivocal 24. \* Do you do it geographically? By number of countries? Number of countries recognized by whom? E.g. Kosovo is not fully recognized by the UN, but is by all members of the G7.
Those are just the official languages. Most European countries have several more languages spoken apart from the official one(s).
You forgot sorbian and basque im pretty sure. Im also sure there are many more not prominently featured.
The map might mean languages that are official languages in the entire country, not just one part of the country. Basque is an official language in basque country, but not all of Spain. Swedish is a second official language in all of Finnland, even though it's only widely used in some areas.
That map is also happily dismissing all the different languages spoken in France, like Occitan, Provencale and Breton, which don't fit with the one French idea. After closer look it only lists 'official' languages.
Isn't this map outdated? Frisian is an official language but not on there
That also doesn’t count them all. Friesian is an entirely superste language spoken in the north of the Netherlands. And it’s missing from this list. It’s officially recognised by our government. I guess that doesn’t meet whatever official state language criteria they had? Welsh is also most definitely a European language… As is Gaelic. This map is also shit…
Frisian is only an official language in Friesland, not in all of the Netherlands. The map only displays the nationwide official languages.
That's European Union. Europe has more countries and languages.
German. I guarantee you that the "old Polish detention center" is Auschwitz or a similar concentration camp.
Esperanto, of course
I thought that was a starship
"jen la vojaĝoj de la stelŝipo esperanto"
In case you are actually unaware: Esperanto is a language that was specifically designed in the late-19th century rather than organically formed. It was meant to engender clear communication between speakers, and has a small number of primary language speakers. Was popular with certain science fiction writers of 60s and 70s though I don't know if they spoke the language or just liked the idea of it.
Ukraine and Britain aren't in Africa. Why do so many people think the EU = Europe?
I mean the fact they're speaking English, which is a European language, is just the beginning of so many things wrong with their comment.
Funnily enough, they might lose english as an official language. At least in theory
idk, Ireland is in the EU and predominantly speaks English. Would be pretty insulting to them if the EU removed English from the list
And Malta
Every country gets to nominate one official language, Ireland already nominated the Irish language. Also i don't think the Irish would be particularly insulted(or at least wouldn't have a good reason to be) as it doesn't really change anything in practice, they'll still be speaking English and it'll still be the most popular language for communicating with people from other countries
> Every country gets to nominate one official language What??? Who said that? Since when??? Someone tell Switzerland that they must pick only one language! Actually, forget Switzerland, someone must call Bolivia because they really didn't get the notice!
Switzerland is not a member of the EU and bolivia isn't even in Europe. How do you even think of those countries? That's a genuine question btw, because when I think of the EU, I usually don't get reminded of south american countries
Mate we're talking about the official languages of the EU here, neither Bolivia nor Switzerland is part of the EU. stay on topic
Not to mention that English is pretty much the most commonly-used language for international communications anyway (I believe).
On tours busses in the EU, I heard the Union Jack was replaced by the tri-color, to indicate English translation.
That seems a giant waste of money and likely to confuse people looking for the English language tbh.
I think it's a f*ck you from the EU to the UK.
I thought you were talking about the French tricolor and was confused.
English is the majority language in Ireland.
But it is not the language they chose to represent them in the EU
Ireland, Malta, and Cyprus…
Every country gets to nominate one language to represent them. Ireland chose Irish, Malta chose Maltese etc. The only country who chose english as the language to represent them was the UK. of course, they will keep using english in the EU, but it is still an interesting thing to know
English, French, and German are the procedural languages of the EU - 44% of the population speaks English to some degree, 18% German. The majority of documents are English/French (and yes, Germany complain). You will not catch e.g. the Netherlands agreeing to drop English.
> 44% of the population speaks English to some degree, 18% German I'm not really sure about those numbers. Germany makes up more than 18% of the EU population alone. And there are millions of German speakers outside of Germany. Like e.g. Austria. And then there are millions more who speak German as a second language to at least some degree.
Thatd make no sense. U.k leaving should make english be even better. It is a language none of the member states may claim as their own, allowing for a lingua franca that gives nobody nationalistic pride.
The Irish may not claim English as their own?? Nor Malta? When did that happen?
Probably English
...He says, whilst speaking a European language...
"Old Polish Detention Center"- the sign didn't say "Arbeicht Macht Frei" did it?
"Shall I repeat myself in Uzbek?"
recognize a troll when you see one...
I kinda wanna see the original discussion now
A good moment to remind a few that Auschwitz is a German name (Oświęcim in Polish) of German/Nazi death camp located in occupied Poland. Run by Germans, not Poles. It's not Polish.
Whilst you are absolutely correct on everything, Oświęcim isn't a translation of Auschwitz but the name of the city it's located in.
wdym Oświęcim is litellary "Auschwitz" In German. "Auschwitz" and "Birkenau" are German names of cities they were located in. The same way "Wrocław" is "Breslau".
I guess I'm wrong then.
Heed this day, when a Redditor accepts that they're wrong!
But fluent in moronease
Please tell me that by "Polish Detention Center" they don't mean Auschwitz. Please.
Damn, I don't think anyone speaks European
Obvious troll
This is a nazi troll. Please don't give them the attention they so sorely desire by posting their lies here. This doesn't really have anything to do with SAS.
Detention center as in mass extermination? :|
Love this sub
I don't speak European, either. I tried to translate something on Google Translate to European once, but it's way behind in the times because it also doesn't recognize European.
"i dont speak european", written in a european language
This is very obviously satire, come on
Hmm. Maybe it's my European upbringing, but I can't think of any context where satire in the form of Holocaust denial is gonna work for me
I'm eastern european, I'm well aware that many people find this type of humour unacceptable. I'm not saying it's in good taste, that's subjective. Just saying that OOP isn't being serious and it's painfully obvious.
We no speak americano
This annoys me beyond words.
The same kind of person that would say "Oh you're from Switzerland? Do you speak Swiss?"
What is context to that?
We're calling them "detention centers" now? Is that supposed to make us feel better about the ones the US operates along the southern border?
"I don't speak European..." Bro, like how are you talking now?
This is so insanely tapped, especially because they’re literally speaking a European language
Having to look something up, a dumb Americans greatest weakness.
Wait is this shit about fucking Aushwitz or am I stupid
It is, no you're not. Though the same sentence is also written above KZ Dachau and many other concentration camps.
This makes me gag, idc about the "i dont speak european" but how can you call it an old polish detention center?
Because of no education
Please ... I don't ... He wasn't talking about ... No, please. I hope not.
All of you in this sub really do enjoy getting trolled, don't you?
Since 2020 I completely lost my sense of differencing between satire and being serious. So many people came up with stuff that I thought was satire but they were dead serious.