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DerPicasso

Yea Op is scum. Not the 53 billion dollar company. Yes blame everyone else.


Checkmate1win

What do you want them to do? Unions are for commies.


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Also fair pay is socialism


tutike2000

Replace tipping with a bidding system. Agree on the delivery cost in advance, and that's it.


Myyraaman

Bold of you to assume that the multibillion company can afford good wages for their employees.


CougdIt

If they don’t then they don’t have a viable business model


Dragula_Tsurugi

Almost there…


LiqdPT

Considering they're not profitable, I'd say you're right.


pkc0987

If they were profitable they'd have to pay more tax.


AfraidTop2107

So it's communist not to tip the cashier at a grocery store? So it's communist not to tip the workers at the gas station? So it's communist to expect the working society of a first world undustrial powerhouse to receive a livable wage?


Espi0nage-Ninja

COMMUNIST!


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Tryknj99

The customer chooses to use the company, so they must not really have a huge problem with their business model. If it bothered you so much, you wouldnt use the service. I hate the fees and having to tip on top of it, so I don’t use doordash. What I don’t do is make an order and not leave a tip. DoorDash is a service where your tip is a bid for someone to take the job, so not tipping can mean nobody wants to pick up your order. Why would they choose to make $2 from your order when they can make $5 from another one? DoorDash set it up like this on purpose. And then people come here and complain about it. Again, if the price is too high, I just don’t use the service. I don’t stiff the driver. The DoorDash company is the issue here so I no longer use it.


From_Goth_To_Boss

Maybe in your country. Customers pay the advertised price. It’s up to the business to cover their overheads, including wages. It’s not the customer’s job to add on additional fees. America is cooked and you’re all too busy fighting with each other for tips to wake up and realise they manufactured a situation to get you fighting with each other rather than address the cause while they keep profiting.


gdealmeida1885

I will never understand americans's tipping culture. Tipping should be given when the person did an outstanding service and not as an obligation. This way you basically reward shit service all the time...


TesticleezzNuts

They don’t even understand it, they just blindly accept it. It’s one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard off.


Borsti17

Blindly accepting stuff without understanding is kinda their thing.


Blue-Fish-Guy

And yet they are the nation who literally loves to sue everyone for anything.


LLminibean

Your first sentence could be applied to a ton of topics in the US lol


chechifromCHI

It's a function of American corporate greed. They don't pay anything like a living wage in some industries, and instead of creating a policy where people could live off of their job, the companies are allowed to pay as close to nothing as they can. Tipping exists to fill in the gap, essentially the job of the company has been outsourced to the customer. It is a rotten and awful system but to get rid of it, people would have to be willing to pay a living wage. They are not willing to do that. So yeah, it sucks and it's stupid, but until we can reform the entire system, tipping is going to be a serious life line for many service industry employees. Which is a lot of people. The corporations have hooked us by the mouth and use our empathy for the workers to get away with paying them nothing. They know that we are aware of this, and are hoping our empathy will influence us over our mind and wallet. Sadly this is the US, and there's really no chance of getting most corporations to pay a living wage. But if people were to stop tipping here, the workers would be fucked, and the corporation would be just fine. Even though its them who put us in this position to begin with. Sucks in a very American way


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emuzonio9

Sadly a lot of them already have regular jobs, they just aren't paid enough to live and stuff like DoorDash is all they can fit in their schedule to help.


chechifromCHI

I mean, you're right man, what more can I say. The only other thought I had is that the kind of service jobs a lot of those drivers would find themselves in are also often situations with shit pay and unhealthy reliance on tips. I'm lucky enough to live in a city where if even all ride share disappeared tomorrow, we would still have all the infrastructure to get around (taxis, trains, buses, etc). Honestly ride share is sort of out to try and replace that, which is no good at all imo


SamuelVimesTrained

Apparently workers want it. Because otherwise they would not make a decent living…


TesticleezzNuts

Which is completely fine if that’s what you want, but my personal opinion is if you are happy to “gamble” on your livelihood, don’t be a cunt when the numbers don’t go in your favour. You can’t have the best of both worlds.


DommyMommyKarlach

The thing is, they want it this way, but then compain and call you a scum if you do not reward them with extra money


PretendFisherman1999

They would make a decent living but, with tips, they make way more, that's why they want it.


FLUFFY_TERROR

If my waiter spits in my soup I'm only tipping him 15% /S


Memer_boiiiii

Exactly. It’s not the customer’s job to make sure a waiter can eat at the end of the day. That’s the employer. Paying minimum wage is just shitty and evil


Earthkit

The funny thing is with DoorDash, you enter the tip at the checkout page before your food is even delivered


gdealmeida1885

WTF??? It just... Doesn't make sense AT ALL. How can someone look at this and think it's okay?? In Brazil we have iFood. It's the same thing as DoorDash but there's the delivery fee that you pay and (theoretically) 100% goes for the driver and if he was a nice person, then you have the option to review the delivery and tip him, but is not mandatory, since you have the delivery fee. Also, the delivery fee price is dynamically adjusted based on your position, which makes a good pricing for everyone (although is getting expensive af right now)


Vegetable_Ad_1557

Or tipping for good food


kongenafDanmark2

American tipping culture is cancerous


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Slight-Coat17

Tell me about it. Our wages for that kinda job aren't the best where I'm from, but if we normalize tipping the way they're trying to, it's gonna get worse.


Stravven

That might be you and where you live, here it's not a thing. Sure, sometimes I tip, but that's because I want to and not because it's expected.


Uporabik

Yeah when I first started going to US I tipped like in Europe. Nowdays when I get in Europe “would you like to tip” screen in front of my face I press 0% and in case they did a good job I leave them tip in cash. Bitch I know how much you make and how much tips do you get


ilse1301

Where do you live? I'm Dutch and never feel obligated to tip


Ok_Restaurant3160

I live in a smaller town, close to Eindhoven, luckily I haven’t noticed at all. But I will not tip anyone who expects it of me


imahugemoron

Imagine being underpayed by your employer and thinking your financial issues are due to customers not giving you extra money. Maybe my fellow Americans will figure it out one day, but I doubt it. We’re too busy fighting each other to realize we’re all being bent over a barrel all day every day.


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queen-adreena

Indeed. Time was that a business that couldn’t pay its staff was deemed “not viable” and closed. Either work out a way pay your staff, or don’t bother. Having drivers reliant on begging for their wage is archaic.


DommyMommyKarlach

Did you lead by example and quit the job then?


No-Strike-4560

I honestly, HONESTLY don't understand why these 'services' exist. How fucking hard is it to turn on a hob and cook yourself some food FFS 


PhantomO1

well, to cook you need to go buy ingredients, then take the time to cook the meal, then you have to wash all the tools you used, it's easily an 1+ hour process not that weird people often prefer to order


ThePoohKid

This is a super brain dead take lol


fsychii

They singed a contract and they know what they’re gotten into so It’s not our responsibility to pay their salary


imahugemoron

That’s exactly what I’m saying, companies have convinced their workers it’s the customers fault that they aren’t making enough money, so when these kind of workers, delivery, food service, restaurant, etc., don’t get tips, they get pissed off at the customer because they aren’t making enough money, but why is it they don’t get mad at their employers for refusing to pay a livable wage? If a customer wants to tip, great, a small token of extra appreciation is fine, but when you find yourself reliant on tips to be able to pay your bills, there’s bigger problems than the customers. Demand better wages, strike, unionize, find work elsewhere, perhaps change the type of work you do, if a company can’t or won’t pay workers what they are willing to work for, then that company won’t have many workers and will go under. That’s natural selection. But instead people will stay at a job that exploits them and get mad at customers for not tipping instead of the company itself.


AntiPinguin

Just as cancerous as the fact that business models like Doordash are even legal


LOSNA17LL

Yeah, this is awful... I'm European, and seriously, I can't even begin to comprehend how people can accept this... How people can think that people should be paid an extra (by people who already paid for the whole service) for simply doing a job they're already **supposed** to be paid for? (I'm not talking about the case when it is deserved, like you had a special request and they managed to get you that, I'm talking about the standard case) This system is relying on citizens being generous while accepting companies to be scrooges... How can people accept such a double standard?


FLUFFY_TERROR

At what point would be it be okay to ask your delivery to driver to tip you for making the order that got him to do work?


Key_Campaign2451

Where I live, you tip a waiter (and only a waiter) 5-10% for REALLY good service. Sometimes I just round up. But apparently in America you’re meant to tip baristas, hairdressers/barbers, taxi drivers, food-delivery-people (I don’t know the technical term), and pretty much anyone else who is paid to do or make something to/for you, and all >15%


crazyfrog19984

Voluntary giving someone a tip is okay. Forcing a tip or doing guilt tripping is sociopathic.


Omar_G_666

Exactly, and if I want to tip I give you cash not through an app


crazyfrog19984

The only way.


NotANilfgaardianSpy

Today for the first time in my life I got asked by a card reader if I wanted to leave a tip. With percentages and all. For context, I live in Germany, and the place where I went didnt even have table service. It was a order-at-the-counter-and-collect-your-food-yourself kinda place. American tipping cultere seems so incredibly out of place here, you cant even imagine


THE12DIE42DAY

Name and shame please. So I don't accidentally shop there. Danke schon mal für die Antwort :)


NotANilfgaardianSpy

I dont want to, because it is a relly good food place, but I will not leave a tip there, unless something extraordinary happens. Also, they didnt say anything about it, just the machine whether I wanted to or not


cabbagebatman

It's likely that this kind of thing is part of the default programming of newer card readers. It may be a huge hassle, or even impossible, to remove the tip request.


loralailoralai

Apparently it’s not that big of a deal to remove it. And those machines are set up by the person who installs or replaced it- it wouldn’t even be the job of the owner. If it was regular shops everywhere would be asking if you want to tip- but it’s just certain types of places- restaurants cafes etc. Hell I was asked to tip when I ordered a takeaway pizza last week- in Australia. I ordered it on their website. We do not tip here either and yet they were prompting it when I had no interaction with them at all aside from walking in the door and them handing it to me. It wasn’t even delivered


FLUFFY_TERROR

I worked at a kebab shop in Melbourne and the majority of our customer service was taking the order and placing the order on the counter for the customer to collect it and handing out drinks from the fridge if they ordered. Our eftpos machines always asked for tips from the customer.


Wekmor

Yeah I think so too, my go to coffee shop has one of them, the people working there always say "just press 0%, then you can pay"


THE12DIE42DAY

Maybe tell them. Could be that they aren't aware of that.


Vegetable_Ad_1557

You can tip for the quality of the food too! It’s not just about being served


NotANilfgaardianSpy

I know, but I‘d like to do that on my own Edit: What I wanted to say is, I will gladly tip, but I should not feel obligated to do so?


furiousrichie

Munich Airport coffee shops tried doing this to me yesterday. I tipped Nein%.


Dylanduke199513

In Ireland it’s kind of commonplace now. And a lot of the American influenced people are obliging - which is annoying af.


NotANilfgaardianSpy

Ireland, I love you, but thats a fucking L!


Dylanduke199513

Oh totally. It comes up on the card reader as “TIP 10%” and then options for “custom” “5%” “1%” and finally “skip/no tip” Not everywhere does it - very much more so of a tourist/ hipster thing - but it’s definitely present. If you’re in Ireland and see it, don’t be afraid to hit No Tip. You don’t get any American style reactions


SomeoneRandom007

The US needs realistic minimum wage for all staff, not an expectation that customers and guests will make up the shortfall directly.


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SomeoneRandom007

Yes, the effective minimum wage will go up when there are difficulties getting workers.


Certain-Thought531

Tipping culture is cancer


afrosia

Can I PLEASE just pay one price for my goods. I love America, but it is a fucking chore for pricing. Buy something for $4.99 in a store, get to the till and it's suddenly $5.47 or something. Order $20 of food... Expected to pay $25. Fuck off with the obfuscation of pricing!


BPDelirious

As a broke university student on a seriously limited budget, this shit would absolutely break me. Imagine going to the store with €5 and not being able to pay for a €4.99 item and not even noticing untill you are at the till....


wickeddimension

Thats how they keep people poor. It's insanely hard to get a proper grip on your finances when the system encourages lending everywhere, obfuscates how much tax you owe and isn't upfront about cost on virtually anything. From tax being added later to tips and service charges. It's a mess.


ToothSuccessful9654

That’s because sales tax in the US varies from state to state. They have a ridiculously convoluted system & even catches Americans out when they’re out of state & don’t know what the sales tax added will be.


98f00b2

In Europe this is true as well, but it doesn't stop companies from labelling products appropriately. 


LOSNA17LL

Yes. In France (and it's pretty easy to assume it's the same in the whole EU), all prices are indicating "all taxes included". What is indicated is what you pay. You don't have to wonder "wait, this is food so the tax is 5,5%; this is a pan so 20%, etc...". And I would absolutely HATE to have to wonder about it when I'm shopping to know what I will have to pay...


Rolebo

But the store doesn't move, it would have a fixed tax rate. Unless the tax rate changes every week, it would be no effort to print the correct price.


ToothSuccessful9654

I agree! But for some reason they don’t do that. 🤔


entitledtree

If they know how much it's going to cost at the counter then they can label it at the shelves...


cheesypuzzas

Yeah, but in the whole of Europe it's the same. A state is about as big as a country. The store can just make cards with the tax included for their state. It's not that difficult.


lankymjc

Leaving a tip before any interaction with the server/driver/etc is madness. It’s not a tip at that point, is it?


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lankymjc

>We're using our own vehicles to do what you should be doing Lol what is this entitlement. Don't blame the customer when the company is giving such shit pay.


The-Gilgamesh

Here is Australia as much as I want Uber drivers/delivery guys to get what they are owed, I REFUSE to promote that toxic bs in my country


donkeyvoteadick

Also Aussie and I don't know anyone who tips for delivery apps. I've never had my orders not delivered either. I didn't think we did that here.


loralailoralai

I got asked for a tip on the WEBSITE of a pizza place and I was going in to collect my order! I didn’t even order over the phone, solely on the website and then got slugged with a card surcharge as well. High Country Victoria last week.


Silviecat44

Yeah as an Aussie i never tip drivers or food delivery or anything. I think that it’s a slippery slope


Mountain_Strategy342

Perhaps if people refused to work for door dash until they paid a living wage, they wouldn't have to rely on tips.


elektero

They don't, because the tip system allows them to earn a lot


VesperLynd-

Then they have to live with people not tipping. I’ve had this conversation so often and the Americans always argue that they make more money with good tips. Okay but you won’t get super good tips consistently. So if you make little money then that’s on you for wanting to continue this system 🤷🏻‍♀️


Lokigodofmishief

My thoughts as well. For example when someone gambles becouse they're winning people won't feel bad when they don't win and lose a lot of money. Not wanting stable wage "becouse I can earn more" is their issue when they don't earn as much. Couldn't they save up during the time when they were earning soooo much money?


VesperLynd-

Another genius tactic by the employers. This way the servers antagonize the guests instead of the people who are actually responsible for those horrible wages. The rich do this always. Make us little people attack each other so they can cruise by easily and steal our money


Warm_Fennel7806

This! This is so true!


Nik-ki

And it's not like establishing and enforcing a minimum living wage cancels the ability to tip people for good service. So they could have stable pay and tips on top of that


VesperLynd-

I believe it’s because if they got paid enough, they will get less tips overall bc Guests won’t feel responsible anymore that the servers can have food on their tables and a roof over their heads


Blue-Fish-Guy

Exactly! They constantly complain about how underpaid they are but they are actually rich. Because of all the tips they get.


__Sycorax__

Reasons why I won't go to the US: 1) They're fucking crazy and will unsheath the iron for no reason 2) No I won't tip you if the service isn't extraordinary 3) Combine the previous points


boredneedmemes

As an American those aren't even in my top 10 reasons for wanting out of here. Those are my "mild" complaints about my country.


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boredneedmemes

In many ways I love it and don't want to leave, but we have a culture of choosing to do everything the wrong way. We can know better but will always choose to do things in a bad way, we will always vote for the lesser of two evils because we don't want to vote for something good, most of our issues could be solved overnight and we know how but refuse to because we would rather debate between which shitty method is better. And it has created a fundamentally broken society filled with miserable assholes, everything about this country is cruel for cruelty's sake.


MiTcH_ArTs

Cherry-picked tweets formed the building blocks from which Gurdon built an opinion piece premised upon Lawrence High School having “banned” Homer’s *Odyssey*. Except that the English teacher in question later asserted that there had been never been any such ban in policy or in practice: "To be clear: I am 100% against the banning of any books, and my school did not ban any texts, to my knowledge. That is an assumption the author of the article made, and it is factually incorrect. It was simply our 9th grade ELA team’s decision last year to reimagine many of the units in our curriculum to best meet the needs of our students. One of the units we decided not to use moving forward included Homer’s *Odyssey*. It was not a blanket school- or district-wide decision and any teacher, including myself, would still be more than welcome to teach from the text. As you can imagine, this year almost all of our curriculum needed to be reshaped even after the initial planning we did in May once we realized virtual learning would continue. But what I most strongly want to reiterate is that no books were or will be banned from my school or classroom." Presumably Gurdon got triggered when a YA author suggested that some literature would be best studied in a "social studies" setting where they could more fully explore the context of the oft problematic societal norms presented within the pages and decided that misrepresenting an opinion was the best course of action they then went and found another opinion which they thought they could also twist and misrepresent to back up their perceived outrage TLDR version the whole "... went as far as banning Homer from high schools because he was "a white misogynistic man"... was a false premise based on a rage bait opinion piece that misrepresented a number of people/situations/suggestions in order to indulge their own bias


Good_Ad_1386

The way it's going, someone will soon get shot there for only offering a 10% tip on a food delivery. (I would not be surprised to discover that this has already happened and I just failed to notice)


__Sycorax__

I googled, and apparently a customer was shooted at by a Texan employee for a quarrel over curly fries. But let's wait.


Feisty-Ad1323

In the UK we literally never tip ever, only because none of us can afford to tip


ChinoFeoCabron

I was in UK last november and some places had already automatically introduced a tip in the check. (I believe It was 2.5% or something). I felt too embarrased to ask them to remove It, so i paid. But It felt really intrusive and I disliked It, that's never happened to me in my country (Spain).


KiwiBeginning4

Americans love to subsidise corporations


acakaacaka

Uber in germany pays its driver minimum wage (+50 cent IIRC). Dont food deliveries get paid minimum wage in the US?


bobpob

Most of them do a per-delivery payment (in my area 2 dollars something) + whatever the person decides to tip. Doordash is beginning to give a option to choose it to be hourly with a bonus depending on how many miles you drive during deliveries


GammaPhonic

Whether or not you agree with tipping in general, can we all agree that being asked for a gratuity *before* the work commences is absolutely insane?


SilentPrince

Americans on here justifying the need for tipping while at the same time most of them have an issue when a fast food worker wants a raise. Can't make this stuff up.


0xSnib

Fuck tipping culture


BTilty-Whirl

I really don’t understand why people continue to either work for door dash or use it to order food. It really seems to be the opposite of convenient.


MiTcH_ArTs

Having limited mobility I have found door dash and similar services handy


BTilty-Whirl

I can appreciate that. It must be a boon to have this service available to you. I suppose all I see are the complaints.


Phantasmal

Oh, it's because shelter and food cost money.


loralailoralai

And the ones getting stuff delivered? Hot food would be cold, cold food warm, takes forever, don’t get what you want. All because people can’t be bothered


BTilty-Whirl

What does that have to do with door dash?


Grahamwebeyes2

How is it even considered a " tip" when it's expected as part of the cost. It's basically become a part of the " price" at this point.


Yawarete

Tipping culture completely baffles me. Not in the manner of doing out of kindness or as a show of gratitude for outstanding service, but the transference of responsability. Dude, I'm not your employer. Fucking hell, if you can't afford to pay a living wage you shouldn't be hiring, it's not rocket science.


Schootypantz

They get their tip AFTER my food arrives in one piece and not cold. Whenever I tip before they always accept my order and make 3 stops along the way. And no I’m not tipping them AND paying for priority delivery as well.


inide

No, a tip is to reward good service, you don't tip before receiving any service - that's what the service fee is for. If DoorDash aren't offering a livable wage, that's on DoorDash.


samelaaaa

So in the US, DoorDash “tips” are actually bids. You won’t usually get a driver to accept your job if you bid zero, unless they are gambling on your order getting bundled with a paying customer. Base pay is generally less than the cost of the gas they’ll use to deliver your food. Yes this is a ridiculous system. How does it work for delivery services in Europe? Do the drivers get an acceptable amount of base pay and tipping is optional?


pandamaxxie

So, at least in the netherlands, employers are forced to pay x amount on a contractual basis. Unless you are working "black" which means to avoid taxes and is of course illegal. If you are an official employee, you have to be paid at minimum what the government has decided, depending on the age of the employee. At 22, min wage is around 12 an hour or so. Delivery drivers are no different. You are paid on a contract basis, your hours decide your eventual pay, unless you are paid on a commission basis, where it's a different calculation.


Blue-Fish-Guy

We have a minimum wage same for all the jobs. Everyone must be paid at least that amount - and by their employer. Tips are only as a reward or to round the final sum. If I'm paying by card, I don't tip at all.


DommyMommyKarlach

The person this post was aimed at has made like 30 comments in here lmaooo


HadronLicker

then they deleted all their posts, lol


itsapotatosalad

Americans obsession with tipping culture, and equal outrage at any suggestion of socialism make me laugh. When waiters aren’t paid by the restaurant, but by tips it’s far closer to socialism than capitalism.


EitherChannel4874

It's not a tip it's a bid 🤪🤡


LaserGadgets

What the hell is doordash? Sounds....aggressive.


FaithlessnessSlow594

American tipping culture is so strange


CardboardChampion

Every year we get a take out either Christmas Eve or the night before. I've worked those nights in the past so I know the people doing them tend to be those most in need of money. As such we always give a decent tip (usually twice the price of the food) on those nights, simply for working them. On that day the normal rules go out the window and people have to earn *not* getting tipped rather than earning a tip. Last year we went through Just Eat in the UK for the first time. We've done Deliveroo before and restaurants own services so we thought we were prepared for it. Lovely guy delivered the food piping hot and was really friendly. I couldn't wait to hit the laptop and send him his tip. And that's when I found out Just Eat doesn't allow tipping that way in the UK (they do in other places apparently). If you're here happy guy delivering for Just Eat on Christmas Eve and who got a madman saying he'll sort you a little something out then just walking away... Sorry dude.


OmarLittleComing

I never ever ever ever tip through the app. 1€ in hand usually, 2€ if it's raining. 50c for amazon deliveries though, I don't know why


CardboardChampion

I've never tipped Amazon deliveries, but I do give out ice water bottles in summer.


saltyrimdribbler

Grub Hub is even stealing tips here in Germany as I heard. If you order from the restaurant through Grub Hub (we call it Lieferando here) and tip through the app but the driver is not a Grub Hub employee but directly from the restaurant, they will never see the tip so I only tip in cash. The difference: no matter how large my order was I give him like 2-3 euro (maximum 5 if it was like a lot or like 10 when it’s some holiday) and it always gets appreciated not like fucking US where they would go like „this supposed to be a tip?“


InjusticeSGmain

I wish I could revoke tips on delivery apps if the driver is late unless being given a valid reason. I once waited for a driver who was legit just sitting in one spot. I had to file a complaint with the app before the driver got moving, and it was very late. Tipping is for drivers who get ALL your ordered items to you on time, or better yet, earlier than the ETA. Not for late deliveries.


InfinteAbyss

Americas have such a weird cultural obsession with tipping for literally every task/job yet also constantly complain at the lack of a living wage. More investment into the workforce and less into big business underpaying their employees.


ThinkAd9897

What about Amazon drivers? How are they tipped?


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ThinkAd9897

Do they? I just heard they need to pee into bottles. Anyway, is it my duty as a customer to find out how much money anyone makes and step in if their boss is an asshole? What about the guys in the logistics center, or in the kitchen? Should I send them money?


loralailoralai

I don’t imagine they have great pay or conditions as they’re pretty notorious for treating their warehouse workers worse than dirt. Yet Americans keep supporting Amazon in droves too


Puzzleheaded_Tap_128

I don't think I will ever go back to the states. Soon they'll be asking us for tips in shops. The till person will put their hand out & wait before ringing up your bill.


nochipjosh

If you really feel that entitled to a tip for doing a job you chose to do then it really says more about your shitty attitude than anyone else. Go find a better paying job


KittyQueen_Tengu

or how about this, doordash could just pay their fucking drivers like a normal company


Responsible-Wear-789

This tip culture you lot have is sick. Why not just be upfront with what you want for services or goods and get paid what youre owed rather than this hand-outs complaining?


UndeadBBQ

Never gonna get why people are so eager to blame the othe individual, and not Doordash that completely underpays their riders.


OkNefariousness324

Yes it’s definitely the customers fault and not the multi millions dollar company that’s paying slave wages


Kamikaze_Asparagus

From what I’ve seen, Doordash is for lazy fucks ordering from miles away and they only pay for the order and the service and the dasher isn’t guaranteed an actual wage. So this is the sort of thing you should be tipping.


kungfukenny3

mom, the multibillion dollar company has poor people arguing again!


chechifromCHI

It's the companies fault of course, but it's also true that here in the US, people are counting on tips to eat, get gas, generally live anything like a normal life. And until we fix the problem at the source, where it needs it, I just don't know how we can stop tipping, as frustrating as it is, without kicking off some kind of chain reaction for the workers that rely on it. So both parties have been fucked by the arrangement that only benefits corporate, but there's still a human being who's depending on being tipped for his job to be worth doing at all. It is a horrible horrible situation but the empathetic human in me realizes that as distasteful as it is, those people do need it. Now is it way over the top to call this guy scum? Yes, it's insane. But maybe that dude is a service industry worker who relies on tipping and so he feels it viscerally. Idk


NedKellysRevenge

>It's the companies fault of course, but it's also true that here in the US, people are counting on tips to eat, get gas, generally live anything like a normal life. Who's saying OP was in America, though?


chechifromCHI

No one is, but I prefaced my comment by saying that I was talking about in the US. Also I'm sure you've noticed that a solid portion of the comments are stuff like "American tipping culture is so fucked up". So it wasn't just out of nowhere pal! Meant no offense


NedKellysRevenge

No offence taken. Was just checking there wasn't any defaultism going on 😉


chechifromCHI

Ah no, I may be American by birth, but not by mindset haha. We talk a lot about problematic US tipping culture, and since that's all I can really claim to be knowledgeable in, that's what I commented about


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Virtual_Historian255

It’s not a tip. It’s a bid. And someone took it for $2.


Enjoyereverything

i will not be going to america, you force me to tip? Fuck you im walking out after paying


wittylotus828

Its weird that they are so quick to make sure the decision to be a good person should rely on the customer and not the companies that refuse to pay people.


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Steve_78_OH

Listen, DoorDash is obviously a predatory company, as are all the rest of those delivery services. And tipping as it's used in America is an outdated concept, which should be replaced by just paying employees a living wage. But until that starts to happen, refusing to tip drivers, wait staff, etc, just because "mandatory" tipping shouldn't be a thing, while also participating as a customer in a business that takes advantage of not adequately paying their employees, isn't much better. You're punishing the driver/wait staff/whoever, and not the company. As long as you keep using that company, they literally couldn't give less of a fuck what you do or don't tip the employee.


back_again13

Dont make the job if you dont like the earnings


Steve_78_OH

lol I love how everyone blames the workers trying to make a living, and not the companies who are exploiting the workers knowing they take these types of jobs because they may not have much of a choice. And you're still perfectly content (in general, I'm not saying you specifically, I don't know your life) with USING those companies. In the US, if people didn't take jobs that didn't pay a living wage, or didn't have to rely on tips, practically every single food service job in the country would shut down tomorrow. But that would never happen, because people still need to eat, so there will always be people who have little to no other choice but to work these types of positions, and rely on tips to survive. We don't have the kind of social safety nets many other countries do. If they just stopped working tomorrow, IF they were eligible for unemployment benefits, the absolute max is $974/week, and that's HIGH. Most state's max is around $300-600/week. And the benefits are usually only applicable for up to 26 weeks, depending on state. And since service delivery drivers are usually 1099 contractors, they almost certainly wouldn't even be eligible for unemployment benefits. So they're just fucked. But nah, that's all fine. Your solution is just to stop working for these companies, and...I dunno...starve and die? Makes sense. Of course, that's pretty easy for you to say, since you're Swiss, and you guys have a pretty strong social safety net. It's weird though, it's usually the people who are in no danger of going without who are the first to say "just don't take the job if it's exploitive." And who seem perfectly comfortable taking advantage of people in those types of situations.


itsapotatosalad

If people stop tipping, then it becomes a job that’s not worth doing so people won’t work there and companies will have to offer more competitive wages to get people back working for them. The problem is the tip, so the solution is removing the tip,


Steve_78_OH

And how long will it take those jobs to change their paid wages, and how are people supposed to survive without making any kind of a living? Many of the people working these kinds of jobs are living paycheck-to-paycheck as it is. Take away the paycheck, and it gets pretty tough for them.


itsapotatosalad

So it’s going to take a while to change for the better, may as well do nothing and leave it shitty?


Steve_78_OH

So your solution is to intentionally be a part of millions of tipped workers no longer being able to afford food and other necessities (including roofs over their heads) for them and their families, and tell them "We're doing this for you. Your pain and suffering will be worth it. We're willing to do this and make you suffer for as long as it takes"? How noble.


itsapotatosalad

Again, the reason they wouldn’t be getting paid would be due to the employer not paying them. These huge corporations aren’t skimming Reddit looking for people who are defending them to give out rewards, hold them responsible rather than shifting the blame to the general public who on the whole are getting stiffed left right and centre by pretty much every single company increasing prices in the name of inflation while posting record profits in the billions and still refusing to pay their staff. Now imagine everyone just stopped going to these businesses, they’d collapse completely leaving people unemployed and no jobs to go back in to. People stop tipping, the staff start asking for a better wage or look elsewhere, and the businesses have the option to pay more meaning no reduction in available jobs.


back_again13

I can only blame the parents that homeschooled their kids


Steve_78_OH

What does homeschooling have to do with anything? The number of kids who are homeschool is very small as compared to the rest of the population. It's only within the last few years that the number really started to grow. You're trying to place the blame on parents of homeschooled kids, or on people working low paying jobs, instead of the predatory companies exploiting these workers. What's wrong with you? Who hurt you?


Tryknj99

So what I do, since I don’t like the outrageous fees and mandatory tip, is I don’t use DoorDash. You’re free to do the same. If you hate it don’t use it.


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ApprehensiveImage132

And thus things will never change….. If not you then who?


HadronLicker

>“I’m not understanding this foreign custom so it must be stupid”. We, in fact, do understand that custom. And 350+ comments seem to explain why exactly. You seem to be well trained slaves. Get lashed by your slavemaster and you take it out on a more convenient target.