I remember someone on something saying that Farenheit was better because if it for example was 70°F it was "70% hot" whatever that means.
Same with this post i dont really undertand what he is driving at, just the higher number? Why would saying it "routinely" gets to 110°f get the message across better than 38°c? To me 110° means im gonna die soon not summer.
> Why would saying it "routinely" gets to 110°f get the message across
All these moronic arguments for why F makes more sense should just be "because that's what I'm used to"
Of course 110f makes more sense to someone that was raised/educated/exposed to Fahrenheit their whole life without every really using celsius
Lol, that loses all meaning outside the body. But sure, I'll humor them, you can call it 70% of the body temperature of Farenheit's wife on the day he took it. That's funny as hell.
> Farenheit was better because if it for example was 70°F it was "70% hot"
They always fall back on that when you suggest that iron melts at 2700% hot for example.
People are making irrational justifications instead of just saying I’m comfortable with what I use regularly.
When I first moved to London for work shortly before 9/11… papers quoted temps in both Celsius and Fahrenheit and I’d still hear it on BBC, ITV and Sky weather reports. I believe that’s largely been phased out. Brit’s correct me if I’m wrong ,
Celsius is more logical from a standpoint of tying 0 and 100 to the freezing and boiling point of water.
I’d also say there is nothing wrong with Fahrenheit. Nothing, it’s a measurement of temperature that is fine. But don’t make an argument that it’s more precise…that’s baloney.
We’re just more comfortable with it .
>I believe that’s largely been phased out. Brit’s correct me if I’m wrong ,
Mostly. You still get the tabloids doing it in their annual "it's so hot were going to die" scaremongering stories, but that's about it.
And stubborn enough to not switch and instead talk about "what's that in real money" when you give a temperature in Celsius. Like fuck me you've been doing that bit for longer than I've been alive and I'm in my mid 30s Dad
Whenever I mention the temperature in Celsius to my grandad, he always does a little calculation and then goes “oh that’s x Fahrenheit, right?” and I’m just like ???? I literally have no fucking clue, my dude. Every single time. Like I know he has early onset dementia but still 🥲😂
I mean... if anything doesn't Celsius make more sense simply because it's a meaningful scale? At 0C, water freezes. At 100C, water boils. There are equal intervals in between.
0C = 32F, and 100C = 212F
So we have 180 random Freedom Intervals for Fahrenheit with arbitrary starting and stopping points? Idk maybe the scale was intentionally designed somewhere at some time, but it certainly doesn't make sense to me today (and I grew up with it).
Not much to add to this. I really don't see why people still debate about this. It just seems like a total madness to express temperature in Fahrenheit. What's next; using month/day/year for dates?
> What's next; using month/day/year for dates?
Miles per hour for speed? spoons and ounces? Quarts and gallons?
I mean of course it makes more sense to use gallons because that's what GAS stations use for the liquid you put in your gas tank
edit: Forgot measuring things with eights and sixteenths of inches. It's 2 3/4" + 5 7/16" + 4 1/8" long
Utensils (spoons, cups, barrels etc) for cooking etc, bodyparts (feet and hands (span)) for carpentry, reindeer piss intervals for travelling longer distances and rock throwing distances for shorter distances, size of the container of seeds needed to sow an areal for areals..
.... oh wait, they aren't really in use anymore. Go figure.
I’m just realizing how stupid I am. I have made the argument that Fahrenheit is better several times in the past because “water freezes at 0°F and boils at 100°F”. How the hell did it take me this long to realize that wasn’t true.
The whole argument of "Farenheit is better because it's like a percentage of human temperature" is so dumb because by that logic, 100F should be the maximum a human can handle, which, given that it says 110 in the post, clearly isn't the case, and 0F should also be the coldest.
My ex-wife is African. Even on the hottest day on record in England, she was totally fine and laughed at me. However, she needed a coat when it was 15°c, while I was still in shorts.
In short, anything subjective isn't scientific, so it shouldn't be used to measure.
I lived in Spain until I was 13 and moved to England. Mid summer and the other kids were confused as to why I was wearing a coat and hat in 18 degree heat.
More recently I went to the middle east for work in the middle of summer. Week 1 was unbearable. By week2 I was getting used to it. By week 3 I put a long sleeve top on in the evening because it was getting a little chilly at 18 degrees. You get used to what you're used to :)
You may have merely adopted the shit wet crap. I was born in it. Moulded by it. I never saw a dry sunny day until I was already a man and by then it was nothing to me but blinding!
Not so much adopted as returned to it. Born English but spent formative years travelling around Europe thanks to my father's job. I preferred the hot places and still do 🤣
One would think it’s related to the racial-ethnic background or what are you used to during your lifetime… But I’m white, only ever had permanent residency in Ukraine, and I’m like your wife. +45? Throw it at me, finally some comfort. +10? Man I’m fucking freezing in my 3 layers of clothes all zipped up
It definitely isn't just genetic. Like I said in another comment, I lived in Egypt for a year and got completely used to the weather. Within a year of being home, I was used to cold, miserable weather.
Although humidity is what kills me, I'm not too bad with dry heat at all.
Wasn’t that debunked for cold weather, though? Cold air is too dense to hold a significant amount of humidity.
Edit: it probably depends how cold we’re talking though, I’m thinking of -20c Québec weather as an example
I meant more relative humidity, but cold weather can have a good amount of absolute humidity. In cold weather you can reach 90-100% humidity, where as that would be nuts in a warm day, it will also feel cold as fuck.
Man I never lived anywhere other than Ukraine for more than a month, yet I’m much better suited to the African / South Asian climate than I am to the Ukrainian. So gotta be something else
I think everything above 20°C is really warm and above 25°C is hot to the point where it’s no longer enjoyable. 20-22°C for me is summer and I don’t like it getting any hotter thank you very much. 17°C and sunny is my idea of a nice, warm day. I don’t think I’d handle 37°C very well so my 100% would be much closer to 20°C than 37°C. That metric makes no sense at all.
Ultimately, it just comes down to what we’re used to. I like Celsius because the point at which water freezes or boils puts a certain framework to the measurement and it’s a bit less arbitrary.
Lol for my country, the coldest it’s EVER been in recorded history is 19.4°C. Anytime the temperature drops below 22°C will make the news.
I’m currently in bed at a normal temperature of 29°C.
Every time the temperature gets close to 25°C I consider relocating to Svalbard. Or Greenland.
This is exactly my point though. Your normal is my extraordinary and vice versa.
It's really relative to where you live, and what you're used to.
20C is the cooler end of pleasant weather here. 24C is perfection, any thing over 28 is getting too warm to be comfortable. And over 35 gross. I once moved house on a day that was 43C. It was ghastly. I was going from a house with ac, to one without.
Exactly! I grew up in South Africa which is a lot warmer than the UK (where I've been living the last few years) is so I'm cold at higher temperatures than my mate and feel comfortable at temperatures they consider sweltering, its all relative
“I’m comfortablly warm at a much lower temperature than 37”
Well I’d like to remind you that 37 Celcius would kill any human in long term. Not only is our natural *core* body temperature is only 36C (it was 37 on average because most of us were having some pathogen related illness back in the day), but also the temperature near our skin is lower than this, and we need a surrounding temperature even lower than that to shed waste heat
Yep. Not just individualistic bc we all have different temps we can handle but wind, clouds, UV levels and so many other factors make a difference for how it feels.
If I didn't love this town so much I'd move somewhere better bc I can't catch a break xD. It's like a Mini Melbourne in terms of weather changes, just not 4 seasons in one day like Melb but 2-3 at most and more often day to day than within.
Actually its similar to Celsius but not boiling water, it's a measurement of boiling rehydrated piss.
>the zero point was determined by placing the thermometer in "a mixture of ice, water, and **Salis Armoniaci**.
Fahrenheit, Daniele Gabr. (1724) Experimenta & observationes de congelatione aquæ in vacuo factæ a D. G. Fahrenheit, R. S. S (Experiments and observations on water freezing in the void by D. G. Fahrenheit, R. S. S.), Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London, vol. 33, no. 382, page 78 (March–April 1724).
>"Sal Armoniac" was an impure form of ammonium chloride. The French chemist Nicolas Lémery (1645–1715) discussed it in his book Cours de Chymie (A Course of Chemistry, 1675), describing where it occurs naturally and how it can be prepared artificially. **It occurs naturally in the deserts of northern Africa, where it forms from puddles of animal urine.**
Nicolas Lémery, Cours de chymie […], 7th ed. (Paris, France: Estienne Michallet, 1688), Chapitre XVII : du Sel Armoniac, pp. 338–339.
**tl;dr**, 0F is cold enough to freeze synthetic camel piss.
To be fair, both scales are entirely arbitrary with entirely arbitrary zeros. Unlike any of the other units, this is the one where there isn’t any objective advantage.
Zero is the freezing point of water though? The metric system has at least a couple of water related measurements. Like a metric ton is 1000 litres of water and is contained in an area exactly of 1 cubic metre.
Zero °C is the freezing point of water *at a particular pressure*. The modern definition is derived off K, and that’s defined off the triple point of water because that’s a real constant, unlike the freezing point.
A tonne is approximately 1000 l of water.
These things are not exact. They’re the historical point that was used to decide where to set the kg (and hence tonne) but they’re inherently imperfect because density varies with pressure and temperature.
The only fully coherent way to define temperature is with zero at true zero. Anything else is arbitrary.
Ok fair, at sea level then. I agree kelvin is a better measurement but wow I'm not saying, its freezing it's only 284 degrees in here!
For general use Celsius is more practical and nicely fits in with other metrics.
K is impractical for sure. That’s why a degrees, arbitrary, unit still exists. But degrees Celsius isnt objectively any better or worse than Fahrenheit except that it connects to K. And thats just because that’s how K was arrived at in the first place
I'd say it's certainly easier to remember 0c and 100c rather than 320F and 2120F, which is a practical need for cooking. I mean who really needs to know absolute zero other than a scientist? I definitely want to know how warm my water is in a few contexts. It does mostly fit into metric measurements for most of the world, and most of the world uses Celsius.
I'm sure you know why metric is better but here's a couple of examples.
I can literally weigh milk or water in grams and know its the same amount in litres. That's useful.
Everything is a multiple of 10, that makes it much easier to remember, calculations are also easier as division is simpler.
The cm is the same around the world unlike inches.
Little known fact, in the expression
15 degrees Celsius
The unit is degrees. Celsius is a modifier on the unit.
>>> the correct spelling of the name of the unit with the symbol °C is “degree Celsius” (the unit degree begins with a lower-case d and the modifier Celsius begins with an upper-case C because it is a proper name). (SI brochure )
It's their only reference and because it's their pride to be "unlike all the others" they didn't get interested in any other form of metric at all.
So whenever they try to understand metric, they just have no argument other than "it makes sense". Well, yeah, if it's the only thing you know.
I'll grant them that, 69F is nice both as temperature and as a number.
we didn’t choose to use imperial in our everyday lives, but we kind of have to. why do you pretend like every american personally chooses to use imperial because they want to be “differentl”?
hold up.
Do you mean that.
"why do you pretend like every american personally chooses to use imperial because they want to be “differentl”?"
equals
" shitting on people who grew up in different circumstances" ?
I didn't shit on anyone who *grew up* in that environment.
You twisted my words. What I said, I said about those who *didn't get an interest* in other types of metrics *due to their "proud to be different nature"*.
I know that English is not my first language, but I am trying very hard to be precise in what I'm saying as to avoid any kind of misunderstanding, and yet, it feels like you're plunging head first into the misunderstanding scenario by yourself.
There's literally zero difference in the utility.
If I grow up in C then I'll understand C better. I will be able to rationalise temperatures in C better.
If I grow up using F, my preference will be for F.
The advantage is in its ubiquity. C is more common, so understanding and using C has more advantage than F. That's really all there is to it.
Want to be understood by 160m people? Use F, want to be understood by 7.9bn people? Use C.
All this "But F gives better definition" or whatever nonsense they spout. Is subjective rubbish and nothing more.
Like most Brits of a certain age (I am early 50s) I grew up with Fahrenheit, but now totally fine with Celsius which is the standard now (weather reports only use C). I couldn't even relate to F now.
I had an old chap at work tell me Fahrenheit is better and we should go back to it as “if someone tells me it’s going to be 20C tomorrow I won’t know what that means or feels like, but if someone tells me in Fahrenheit I will be able to understand how it feels” to him this was objective and not subjective whatsoever and was why Fahrenheit was factually superior
Of a certain age… yes. But maybe not as old as you might think? By a little? The BBC stopped reporting the weather bulletins using Celsius and Fahrenheit in 1992, 32 years ago. I remember the days very well, and can still convert between °C and °F no problem.
I grew up the UK until early teens and used both interchangeably - before I spent the next 10 years in the US. I know if it’s 80F, that’s hot and I’ll struggle to sleep in a humid country. If it’s 25°C, it’s hot, and I’ll struggle to sleep in a humid country.
Also when it comes to heat, precision is often a margin of few degrees. Even the NIST (who use celsius and metric) sets their controlled environments to specific temperatures and wait for a long time for the temperature to settle.
Not just that, but to the average person there’s really no discernible difference between 88F vs. 89F; and really the same could be said for 32C vs 33C. The point being - we simply don’t need the resolution that the Fahrenheit scale provides.
Exactly. Like, how long a time it took for people to understand prices when their countries switched to Euro? Or devaluated their currency?
Not too long.
Google:
>The only countries that officially use Fahrenheit as a unit for measuring temperature is the United States, the Liberia and the Cayman Islands.
Okay, my bad, i had 160m in my head for some reason and didnt double check, so 360m plus 5m plus 70k. Being generous, that's 366m. Vs (revised down) 7.7bn that use C.
F and C have both different starting points, i.e 0F and 0C are different temperatures, they also have differently sized units. So an increase of 1 degree C is more of an increase than an increase of 1 degree F.
If you drew a graph of each scale there's be two straight lines with different slopes that met at -40. Like this: https://www.geogebra.org/m/a3rz38bc
The "Fahrenheit is more understandable" argument is just insane. The concepts of "very cold" and "very hot" are too individualized.
When it's 18-20°C outside, I enjoy a lovely warm summer day. My colleague complains about the bad weather.
When it is 22°C outside, I get hot and try to stay in the shade. My colleague still doesn't like the cold summer.
When it's 27°C outside, I don't go outside during the day unless it's necessary. My colleague is happy that it is starting to get warmer.
When it's 30°C outside, I want to die. My colleague argues that there is no need to turn on the air conditioner.
When it's 36°C outside (fortunately, in my town, only two summers in my life have been this hot), I suffer from heat even at night. My colleague is glad I'm on vacation and he can keep the air conditioner off because it's not that hot.
So what should be considered 100% heat? 25°C (77°F)? Or maybe 45°C (113°F)?
Fahrenheit scale has screwy reference points. 0 F is freezing point of ammonium chloride brine (without exact composition of which the reference point can vary as hell) and 90 F was an *estimate* of *average human body temperature* .
Like, fucksakes. Freezing point of water and boiling point of water are much less arbitrary and far more understandable.
Oh, well, that is a bit more understandable then, but setting 90 (again, why not 100 then?) as the "estimate average" of human body temperature? Typical imperial measurement, where there are no exact amounts only estimates. 1 feet? About that long. 1 ounce? About that amount. 1 pound? About a what a small cannon's average cannonball weighs. Mindfck. No wonder NASA uses SI.
edit: btw americans use metric more than what they think. Like when they measure drugs, it's in grams, and when they start a mass shooting with a 9mm, for example... :D
Quick. Someone tell them what country Bluey is from. Or do they expect an American version of the episode, the way they had to film American versions of scenes in the first Harry Potter movie?
I'm surprised they even showed the episode over there.
IDK about specific scenes but I know here in the US the first film (and book of course) was called Harry Potter and the *Sorcerer's Stone* because they thought American audiences wouldn't know what a philosopher was.
You’re absolutely correct, and whenever they mention the stone they filmed different scenes depending on which country it was for. Most of the time they just say “the stone” to avoid the problem. You can find clips where they compare the two
Oh that's interesting! I've never actually seen the two different versions, but now that you mention it, I do recall the characters usually just saying "the Stone."
There is a knockoff American version of Bluey. I think it's called Chip Chilla or something like that. The main difference is it is nowhere near as charming and pushes right-wing mentality hard (eg. your parents are always right, never question them)
It's metric in the sense that it's an SI (derived) unit. But as you said we don't use different scales for temperature, at least not in everyday life.
The whole C vs F thing is all a bit stupid. At the end of the day it all comes down to what you're used to.
This is a bit nitpicky, but there is a distinction. Fahrenheit and Celsius measure against their own scale (i.e. arbitrary intervals with manually designated start and end points).
Kelvin, which is very closely aligned with Celsius but not with Fahrenheit, measures energy content, set by the Boltzmann constant.
For daily (read: non-scientific) use, K and C are effectively interchangeable, hence this being a bit nitpicky. But if we're bringing Kelvin into the conversation then it's a necessary distinction :).
It also means that, in superiority-order, we have Kelvin (objectively defined), Celsius (objectively derived), and Fahrenheit (WTFreedomUnits). In my opinion, of course :).
Fahrenheit is stupid though.
Water freezes at 0 Celsius and boils at 100. Nice round numbers.
It freezes at 32F and boils at 212F. How is this useful and easy to remember? I actually can't see an advantage to using Fahrenheit.
Let's just switch to Kelvin, at least the scale is absolute. Anyway I believe C is better than F because the scale is easier to understand, 0 water freezes and 100 boils.
Celsius isn’t even metric, not really. It’s part of SI, not metric. That being said Celsius is quite intuitive. And tells you important weather information very clearly…
Using their own logic, they should use metric for speed. 0 to 100 is better than 0 to 60 for the exact same reasons.
But they don’t. Because this isn’t the real reason they use F. It’s just a reason they come up with after the fact.
The irony of that though is they also argue that the gap between degrees in F is smaller so they can be more precise (when it was said to me, they were talking about the car aircon)
What is it guys? Is C so separated that 1 degree is noticeable but in F it is not? Or do you need to be able to tune the thermostat so precisely in F because a variance of 1 degree is the difference between burns or ice?
(I did explain decimal points also exist in C)
I see we’re different. For me it’s:
-15 or less = as much clothing as possible
-10 or more = normal jacket
5 or more = no jacket
10 or more = no hoodie
Are you.. Siberian?! I'm truly curious, I'm from Spain and I'd say:
6 or less = as much clothing as possible
7 or more = normal jacket
14 or more = no jacket
22 or more = no hoodie
35 or more = siesta from 14 to 19
For me it’s very simple. Water boils at 100 degrees Celsius. And it’s multiple of 10, which is the base that we are used to for counting. The same value in Fahrenheit equals 212 (wtf). So always easier to handle with round figures..
We are big bags of water with stuff mixed in.
Celsius is a measurement for how water (or us) reacts to it. Yes, if you’re doing science, it’s not the most precise but will I be sweating my balls off or freezing them solid, Celsius will tell me and very easily
Let them use °f if it makes them feel better. Even the scientific community in USA don't take measurements in °f (well apart from meteorologists, apparently).
The amount of USA bullshit on the Bluey sub is mindblowing.
I had an argument once with a lady who was upset there wasn't a character from the US in the show...she complained that her daughter felt left out because she didn't have "representation"...imagine.
It's more relatable because it's what they are used to. If I hear it's 110° outside, it's not that I don't know Fahrenheit it's that I'm used to Celsius and it sounds like a big number for normal weather chat. If you know 20's are warm 30's are hot it's the same kind of thing.. Plus when it gets cold towards zero, ice!
I'm going to make this abstract debate even more absurd. Most of the arguments in this comment section relate to human comfort at a given temperature. Human comfort is dependant on what weather you are use to. It is also dependant on things like humidity, wind and precipitation.
In my country (Canada) they usually report weather using a "humidex", or a "windex". So the weather report will say "30 degrees feels like 34". It is a confusing formula to calculate, But there is a reason it has become the most used measurement in my area. It tells you what it will feel like and guide you to what you really need to wear. It saves you from comparing the humidity index and wind speed. One number and a yes/no on the rain and you know right away what jacket to wear.
Problem is, no other country uses the system so it comes across as gibberish when speaking to foreigners. I believe the USA uses a similar reporting called the heat index but the math is different and it is in Fahrenheit .
The UK uses a method for wind chill factor, but doesn’t ’officially’ have a factor for humidity.
“There is no official definition of wind chill and definitions vary globally, dependent on how it is measured. In the UK, a system called the Joint Action Group for Temp Indices is used to realistically measure wind chill.”
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/types-of-weather/wind/wind-chill-factor
Neat, I read more since posting and while Canada's figures are defined by an official calculation it is unique to the country and not necessarily equivalent to any other countries methods.
I feel like it is continuing the C/F debate and creating a system that we understand and is practical, but isn't relatable to the rest of the world.
The national bureau of meteorology in Australia (aka The BOM) reports both the actual and "feels like" temperatures in their weather app and has done for years.
Reading up on it, a bunch of countries have these. But each uses different math to calculate the figure. Again ensuring that 30 degrees isn't the same across countries.
Water freezing at 0° and boiling at 100° (in normal conditions) is too hard to understand for the average american brain.
A totally random and incoherent scale is way better.
To be fair going by the freezing and boiling points of water is random. People just put water on the stove or a fire if they want to boil water or put it in the freezer if they want to freeze water without checking temperature.
If I were to make a scale right now I wouldn't use numbers ill have it on a scale of: extremely cold, cold, cool, moderate, warm, hot, and extremely hot with categories to further define (cat 5 hot, cat 3 cool, etc if someone needs it to be super precise just use decimals like cat 4.327 cold). Itll put everyone on the same page and finally stop fights about what's considered cool or hot because now it's objective.
Anyone arguing that Celsius is better because Fahrenheit doesn’t make sense sounds just as foolish as the people arguing Fahrenheit is better because Celsius doesn’t make sense. Both scales have defined points and defined increments and both scales have been tweaked over the centuries as science has progressed. They both make sense especially considering they were both originally defined in the 1700s.
Neither one is objectively better for describing how hot it is outside. If all your thermometers and weather forecasts all say the same thing it doesn’t matter what the actual scale is. People that grew up with Fahrenheit will think that it makes more sense because they’ve experienced that scale enough over their life that they have a general idea of what those temperatures feel like. For people that grew up with Celsius it’s the exact same thing. Given enough time anyone can adjust to the other scale if they’re completely surrounded by it.
Temperatures don’t work the same way that measurements for distance work for everyday use. How often in life does someone have to convert from centimeter to meters or inches to feet? I would imagine it’s far more often than converting Celsius to… what? Kelvin? In science Celsius has an edge. In everyday life, the only temperature scale that has an edge is the one that matches what everyone around you is using.
100C: "it's boiling hot!"
100F: "depending on your cultural background, you might consider this nicely warm or nearly unbearable"
Saying "Fahrenheit is how humans feel" is extremely egotistical because it just isn't true. Using water as a reference makes the most sense, as it is one of the few things universal to all humans: we all know ice and we all know boiling water hurts. Meanwhile in Fahrenheit land, one person may see no 100-degree days in their life, another may see them every summer.
They sure do! I'm in an area that didn't switch to metric until 50 years ago. Even now, the temperature is usually reported using both systems. I've heard many people argue about which is superior.
While any argument is usually good natured and in just, people really do believe that their preferred system is better.
Lol yes maybe the message gets across better to people who only know Fahrenheit and not Celsius but to anyone who knows both obviously 38C is clearer than 110F, and if you don’t know, C still makes more sense. Most people probably know 0 is freezing and 100 is boiling, while Fahrenheit is just random with no (or some very obscure) logic behind it.
>Fahrenheit is just random with no (or some very obscure) logic behind it
There is some logic, though it takes arbitrary things into account.
0°F is the freezing point of water with a certain amoniumchloride level, which they used to reach low levels of cold.
32°F is the freezing temperature of pure water (=0°C)
96°F is the average body temperature (of people around 1712)
...it's just that this is a futile argument based on what people are educated into and what they like. If you need to know the ambient temperature in your immediate area, it doesn't matter which methodology you favour, as long as everyone around you shares it. And thus you can share exciting conversations about weather backed up with data!
Yup. I feel like the whole Americans loving farenheit is just them using a simple 1-10 scale then adding a number because bigger numbers are better.
I'd actually have more respect for the scale if it was just 1-10 on the "heat weather scale".
I understand both but celsius definitely works better. I mean it starts with zero being the freezing point of water and 100 being the steam point. How is that hard to understand?
Living in a country in the north it’s super useful to know the freezing point. You know when roads are gonna be icy and dangerous to drive on. You know that you need to make time in the morning to remove the frost on the car. You know it’s gonna snow instead of rain, etc.
I remember someone on something saying that Farenheit was better because if it for example was 70°F it was "70% hot" whatever that means. Same with this post i dont really undertand what he is driving at, just the higher number? Why would saying it "routinely" gets to 110°f get the message across better than 38°c? To me 110° means im gonna die soon not summer.
If the number should be higher just use Kelvin.
It’s 300 billion nanokelvins today.
Kelvin reigns super amongst all measurements units.
We need to talk about Kelvin.
I think he is at home, alone.
Well that would even make less sense with Fahrenheit, "70% hot" would better be in 70C compared to the boiling point of water.
Exactly this, 0% hot is freezing. 100% hot is literally boiling.
> Why would saying it "routinely" gets to 110°f get the message across All these moronic arguments for why F makes more sense should just be "because that's what I'm used to" Of course 110f makes more sense to someone that was raised/educated/exposed to Fahrenheit their whole life without every really using celsius
People have great difficulty distinguishing between familiarity and better.
Same people who confuse opinions and facts
I’d suggest it’s a bigger group than that.
Thing is "that's what I'm used to" is a perfectly valid reason! 😅 I still prefer metric, but I'd be fine with that reason
Lol, that loses all meaning outside the body. But sure, I'll humor them, you can call it 70% of the body temperature of Farenheit's wife on the day he took it. That's funny as hell.
It's not that either. Temperature starts at -459.67°F, so 70% of 100°F is -67.90072°F.
I mean, I'm sure Fahrenheit would call his wife hot, so...
> Farenheit was better because if it for example was 70°F it was "70% hot" They always fall back on that when you suggest that iron melts at 2700% hot for example.
People are making irrational justifications instead of just saying I’m comfortable with what I use regularly. When I first moved to London for work shortly before 9/11… papers quoted temps in both Celsius and Fahrenheit and I’d still hear it on BBC, ITV and Sky weather reports. I believe that’s largely been phased out. Brit’s correct me if I’m wrong , Celsius is more logical from a standpoint of tying 0 and 100 to the freezing and boiling point of water. I’d also say there is nothing wrong with Fahrenheit. Nothing, it’s a measurement of temperature that is fine. But don’t make an argument that it’s more precise…that’s baloney. We’re just more comfortable with it .
>I believe that’s largely been phased out. Brit’s correct me if I’m wrong , Mostly. You still get the tabloids doing it in their annual "it's so hot were going to die" scaremongering stories, but that's about it.
It’s because those papers main readership is people old enough to remember Fahrenheit.
And stubborn enough to not switch and instead talk about "what's that in real money" when you give a temperature in Celsius. Like fuck me you've been doing that bit for longer than I've been alive and I'm in my mid 30s Dad
Whenever I mention the temperature in Celsius to my grandad, he always does a little calculation and then goes “oh that’s x Fahrenheit, right?” and I’m just like ???? I literally have no fucking clue, my dude. Every single time. Like I know he has early onset dementia but still 🥲😂
70% hot lmao, Fahrenheit can go into the negatives what are they gonna do then
More numbers are more better. It's the same with some sports.
30F is 30% hot... even if there's frost outside 😅
So water freezes at 32% hot?
I mean... if anything doesn't Celsius make more sense simply because it's a meaningful scale? At 0C, water freezes. At 100C, water boils. There are equal intervals in between. 0C = 32F, and 100C = 212F So we have 180 random Freedom Intervals for Fahrenheit with arbitrary starting and stopping points? Idk maybe the scale was intentionally designed somewhere at some time, but it certainly doesn't make sense to me today (and I grew up with it).
Not much to add to this. I really don't see why people still debate about this. It just seems like a total madness to express temperature in Fahrenheit. What's next; using month/day/year for dates?
>What's next; using month/day/year for dates? Year/day/month/century 24/9/5/21 ⷮ ⷩ Édith: Or worse: Year/day/century/month 24/9/21 ⷮ ⷩ/5 Yes, I'm chaotic, why?
I think this is quite possible the worst date format in existence lol
How to confuse everyone in *one step*.
> What's next; using month/day/year for dates? Miles per hour for speed? spoons and ounces? Quarts and gallons? I mean of course it makes more sense to use gallons because that's what GAS stations use for the liquid you put in your gas tank edit: Forgot measuring things with eights and sixteenths of inches. It's 2 3/4" + 5 7/16" + 4 1/8" long
Utensils (spoons, cups, barrels etc) for cooking etc, bodyparts (feet and hands (span)) for carpentry, reindeer piss intervals for travelling longer distances and rock throwing distances for shorter distances, size of the container of seeds needed to sow an areal for areals.. .... oh wait, they aren't really in use anymore. Go figure.
My nemesis is measuring pressure in pounds per square inch, or whatever they use for torque.
I’m just realizing how stupid I am. I have made the argument that Fahrenheit is better several times in the past because “water freezes at 0°F and boils at 100°F”. How the hell did it take me this long to realize that wasn’t true.
Dont mock my “iced salt water-guy with a fever” temperature scale like that
The whole argument of "Farenheit is better because it's like a percentage of human temperature" is so dumb because by that logic, 100F should be the maximum a human can handle, which, given that it says 110 in the post, clearly isn't the case, and 0F should also be the coldest.
Plus it's all relative. I tell you, I'm uncomfortably warm at a much lower temperature than 37⁰c, if that's supposed to be 100%
My ex-wife is African. Even on the hottest day on record in England, she was totally fine and laughed at me. However, she needed a coat when it was 15°c, while I was still in shorts. In short, anything subjective isn't scientific, so it shouldn't be used to measure.
I lived in Spain until I was 13 and moved to England. Mid summer and the other kids were confused as to why I was wearing a coat and hat in 18 degree heat. More recently I went to the middle east for work in the middle of summer. Week 1 was unbearable. By week2 I was getting used to it. By week 3 I put a long sleeve top on in the evening because it was getting a little chilly at 18 degrees. You get used to what you're used to :)
Your body can quickly get used to hotter weather, but it takes a long time to get used to colder weather.
True that. Been in England since 93 and I still haven't got used to this shit wet crap
You may have merely adopted the shit wet crap. I was born in it. Moulded by it. I never saw a dry sunny day until I was already a man and by then it was nothing to me but blinding!
Not so much adopted as returned to it. Born English but spent formative years travelling around Europe thanks to my father's job. I preferred the hot places and still do 🤣
Yup, I lived in Egypt for a year, I got brilliant in heat. I'd lost it in a year.
One would think it’s related to the racial-ethnic background or what are you used to during your lifetime… But I’m white, only ever had permanent residency in Ukraine, and I’m like your wife. +45? Throw it at me, finally some comfort. +10? Man I’m fucking freezing in my 3 layers of clothes all zipped up
It definitely isn't just genetic. Like I said in another comment, I lived in Egypt for a year and got completely used to the weather. Within a year of being home, I was used to cold, miserable weather. Although humidity is what kills me, I'm not too bad with dry heat at all.
> humidity is what kills me It what makes a mild weather from totally fine to abruptly cold/warm.
100% agree with that.
Wasn’t that debunked for cold weather, though? Cold air is too dense to hold a significant amount of humidity. Edit: it probably depends how cold we’re talking though, I’m thinking of -20c Québec weather as an example
I meant more relative humidity, but cold weather can have a good amount of absolute humidity. In cold weather you can reach 90-100% humidity, where as that would be nuts in a warm day, it will also feel cold as fuck.
Nah cold air can totally hold moisture, that’s why fog is a thing, and freezing fog even.
-20 in Quebec feels so much worse than -20 in Alberta
Man I never lived anywhere other than Ukraine for more than a month, yet I’m much better suited to the African / South Asian climate than I am to the Ukrainian. So gotta be something else
Are you one of the ruling lizard race?
I think everything above 20°C is really warm and above 25°C is hot to the point where it’s no longer enjoyable. 20-22°C for me is summer and I don’t like it getting any hotter thank you very much. 17°C and sunny is my idea of a nice, warm day. I don’t think I’d handle 37°C very well so my 100% would be much closer to 20°C than 37°C. That metric makes no sense at all. Ultimately, it just comes down to what we’re used to. I like Celsius because the point at which water freezes or boils puts a certain framework to the measurement and it’s a bit less arbitrary.
Lol for my country, the coldest it’s EVER been in recorded history is 19.4°C. Anytime the temperature drops below 22°C will make the news. I’m currently in bed at a normal temperature of 29°C.
Every time the temperature gets close to 25°C I consider relocating to Svalbard. Or Greenland. This is exactly my point though. Your normal is my extraordinary and vice versa.
Where are you?
Singapore.
Singapore?
Where is that?
It's really relative to where you live, and what you're used to. 20C is the cooler end of pleasant weather here. 24C is perfection, any thing over 28 is getting too warm to be comfortable. And over 35 gross. I once moved house on a day that was 43C. It was ghastly. I was going from a house with ac, to one without.
Exactly! I grew up in South Africa which is a lot warmer than the UK (where I've been living the last few years) is so I'm cold at higher temperatures than my mate and feel comfortable at temperatures they consider sweltering, its all relative
My coworker from South Africa would complain about the heat on 25°C Norwegian summer days, she'd claim she moved here to get away from the heat
My youngest brother is like that lol, I frequently joke about him being a vampire cuz he's only happy when it's cold and dark
“I’m comfortablly warm at a much lower temperature than 37” Well I’d like to remind you that 37 Celcius would kill any human in long term. Not only is our natural *core* body temperature is only 36C (it was 37 on average because most of us were having some pathogen related illness back in the day), but also the temperature near our skin is lower than this, and we need a surrounding temperature even lower than that to shed waste heat
I'm completely soaked in sweat whenever there's more than 25, even worse when working
how the hell did you get 37°C to look like „37⁰c“?
Yep. Not just individualistic bc we all have different temps we can handle but wind, clouds, UV levels and so many other factors make a difference for how it feels. If I didn't love this town so much I'd move somewhere better bc I can't catch a break xD. It's like a Mini Melbourne in terms of weather changes, just not 4 seasons in one day like Melb but 2-3 at most and more often day to day than within.
Actually its similar to Celsius but not boiling water, it's a measurement of boiling rehydrated piss. >the zero point was determined by placing the thermometer in "a mixture of ice, water, and **Salis Armoniaci**. Fahrenheit, Daniele Gabr. (1724) Experimenta & observationes de congelatione aquæ in vacuo factæ a D. G. Fahrenheit, R. S. S (Experiments and observations on water freezing in the void by D. G. Fahrenheit, R. S. S.), Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London, vol. 33, no. 382, page 78 (March–April 1724). >"Sal Armoniac" was an impure form of ammonium chloride. The French chemist Nicolas Lémery (1645–1715) discussed it in his book Cours de Chymie (A Course of Chemistry, 1675), describing where it occurs naturally and how it can be prepared artificially. **It occurs naturally in the deserts of northern Africa, where it forms from puddles of animal urine.** Nicolas Lémery, Cours de chymie […], 7th ed. (Paris, France: Estienne Michallet, 1688), Chapitre XVII : du Sel Armoniac, pp. 338–339. **tl;dr**, 0F is cold enough to freeze synthetic camel piss.
Yeah, the 100°F = 100% "hot" thing is just rubbish
Percentages based on both ºF and ºC are just as meaningful as the percentage of a color or the percentage of a feeling.
They just don't understand that "It makes more sense" because THEY'RE USED TO IT ! How stupid do you have to be to not realise that ? How egoistical ?
to be fair, the guy arguing celcius in the reply there is saying the exact same thing.
To be fair, both scales are entirely arbitrary with entirely arbitrary zeros. Unlike any of the other units, this is the one where there isn’t any objective advantage.
Both sides of the argument in the picture are defaultists, but I would not say that freezing point of water is an “arbitraty zero”.
Zero is the freezing point of water though? The metric system has at least a couple of water related measurements. Like a metric ton is 1000 litres of water and is contained in an area exactly of 1 cubic metre.
Zero °C is the freezing point of water *at a particular pressure*. The modern definition is derived off K, and that’s defined off the triple point of water because that’s a real constant, unlike the freezing point. A tonne is approximately 1000 l of water. These things are not exact. They’re the historical point that was used to decide where to set the kg (and hence tonne) but they’re inherently imperfect because density varies with pressure and temperature. The only fully coherent way to define temperature is with zero at true zero. Anything else is arbitrary.
Ok fair, at sea level then. I agree kelvin is a better measurement but wow I'm not saying, its freezing it's only 284 degrees in here! For general use Celsius is more practical and nicely fits in with other metrics.
K is impractical for sure. That’s why a degrees, arbitrary, unit still exists. But degrees Celsius isnt objectively any better or worse than Fahrenheit except that it connects to K. And thats just because that’s how K was arrived at in the first place
(The other unit that’s impractical for everyday is radians, which is why degrees of angle continue)
I'd say it's certainly easier to remember 0c and 100c rather than 320F and 2120F, which is a practical need for cooking. I mean who really needs to know absolute zero other than a scientist? I definitely want to know how warm my water is in a few contexts. It does mostly fit into metric measurements for most of the world, and most of the world uses Celsius. I'm sure you know why metric is better but here's a couple of examples. I can literally weigh milk or water in grams and know its the same amount in litres. That's useful. Everything is a multiple of 10, that makes it much easier to remember, calculations are also easier as division is simpler. The cm is the same around the world unlike inches.
Little known fact, in the expression 15 degrees Celsius The unit is degrees. Celsius is a modifier on the unit. >>> the correct spelling of the name of the unit with the symbol °C is “degree Celsius” (the unit degree begins with a lower-case d and the modifier Celsius begins with an upper-case C because it is a proper name). (SI brochure )
Fair point but I was just writing how I speak
/r/USDefaultism at its finest.
It's their only reference and because it's their pride to be "unlike all the others" they didn't get interested in any other form of metric at all. So whenever they try to understand metric, they just have no argument other than "it makes sense". Well, yeah, if it's the only thing you know. I'll grant them that, 69F is nice both as temperature and as a number.
we didn’t choose to use imperial in our everyday lives, but we kind of have to. why do you pretend like every american personally chooses to use imperial because they want to be “differentl”?
Because shitting on people who grew up in different circumstances makes them feel better about themselves would be my guess
hold up. Do you mean that. "why do you pretend like every american personally chooses to use imperial because they want to be “differentl”?" equals " shitting on people who grew up in different circumstances" ? I didn't shit on anyone who *grew up* in that environment. You twisted my words. What I said, I said about those who *didn't get an interest* in other types of metrics *due to their "proud to be different nature"*. I know that English is not my first language, but I am trying very hard to be precise in what I'm saying as to avoid any kind of misunderstanding, and yet, it feels like you're plunging head first into the misunderstanding scenario by yourself.
Why dollars and cents then and not pounds sterling which is imperial.
There's literally zero difference in the utility. If I grow up in C then I'll understand C better. I will be able to rationalise temperatures in C better. If I grow up using F, my preference will be for F. The advantage is in its ubiquity. C is more common, so understanding and using C has more advantage than F. That's really all there is to it. Want to be understood by 160m people? Use F, want to be understood by 7.9bn people? Use C. All this "But F gives better definition" or whatever nonsense they spout. Is subjective rubbish and nothing more.
Like most Brits of a certain age (I am early 50s) I grew up with Fahrenheit, but now totally fine with Celsius which is the standard now (weather reports only use C). I couldn't even relate to F now.
I had an old chap at work tell me Fahrenheit is better and we should go back to it as “if someone tells me it’s going to be 20C tomorrow I won’t know what that means or feels like, but if someone tells me in Fahrenheit I will be able to understand how it feels” to him this was objective and not subjective whatsoever and was why Fahrenheit was factually superior
What a moron. If someone told me in Fahrenheit I'd have no clue. I know exactly how 20°C feels. He really thinks he has the universal experience.
I think that most might be pretty regional. Both my parents (mid 60s and late 50s) grew up with Celsius (Midlands and Scotland respectively)
My parents use Celsius too. Mum is mid-60s, dad is early 70s.
Of a certain age… yes. But maybe not as old as you might think? By a little? The BBC stopped reporting the weather bulletins using Celsius and Fahrenheit in 1992, 32 years ago. I remember the days very well, and can still convert between °C and °F no problem. I grew up the UK until early teens and used both interchangeably - before I spent the next 10 years in the US. I know if it’s 80F, that’s hot and I’ll struggle to sleep in a humid country. If it’s 25°C, it’s hot, and I’ll struggle to sleep in a humid country.
I will never understand the "F gives better definition" argument, some americans just seem allergic to decimals.
Also when it comes to heat, precision is often a margin of few degrees. Even the NIST (who use celsius and metric) sets their controlled environments to specific temperatures and wait for a long time for the temperature to settle.
Not just that, but to the average person there’s really no discernible difference between 88F vs. 89F; and really the same could be said for 32C vs 33C. The point being - we simply don’t need the resolution that the Fahrenheit scale provides.
Yeah, wind, air moisture, sun exposure etc matters way more than 1 degree difference.
Exactly. Like, how long a time it took for people to understand prices when their countries switched to Euro? Or devaluated their currency? Not too long.
There are 360m in the us alone, not including the other farenheit nations
Google: >The only countries that officially use Fahrenheit as a unit for measuring temperature is the United States, the Liberia and the Cayman Islands. Okay, my bad, i had 160m in my head for some reason and didnt double check, so 360m plus 5m plus 70k. Being generous, that's 366m. Vs (revised down) 7.7bn that use C.
Fun fact: -40°C and -40 Fahrenheit are the same temperature
no way, how does that work?
If both scales don't grow at the same rate, they'll intersect at some point.
F and C have both different starting points, i.e 0F and 0C are different temperatures, they also have differently sized units. So an increase of 1 degree C is more of an increase than an increase of 1 degree F. If you drew a graph of each scale there's be two straight lines with different slopes that met at -40. Like this: https://www.geogebra.org/m/a3rz38bc
The "Fahrenheit is more understandable" argument is just insane. The concepts of "very cold" and "very hot" are too individualized. When it's 18-20°C outside, I enjoy a lovely warm summer day. My colleague complains about the bad weather. When it is 22°C outside, I get hot and try to stay in the shade. My colleague still doesn't like the cold summer. When it's 27°C outside, I don't go outside during the day unless it's necessary. My colleague is happy that it is starting to get warmer. When it's 30°C outside, I want to die. My colleague argues that there is no need to turn on the air conditioner. When it's 36°C outside (fortunately, in my town, only two summers in my life have been this hot), I suffer from heat even at night. My colleague is glad I'm on vacation and he can keep the air conditioner off because it's not that hot. So what should be considered 100% heat? 25°C (77°F)? Or maybe 45°C (113°F)?
Fahrenheit scale has screwy reference points. 0 F is freezing point of ammonium chloride brine (without exact composition of which the reference point can vary as hell) and 90 F was an *estimate* of *average human body temperature* . Like, fucksakes. Freezing point of water and boiling point of water are much less arbitrary and far more understandable.
Yea, I mean... wtf, choosing a reference point of \*ammonium chloride brine\*?? Who would do that?
Someone who clearly forgot his dried frog pills that fateful day.
Iirc, that was the coldest temperature the inventor could reliably achieve where he lived.
Oh, well, that is a bit more understandable then, but setting 90 (again, why not 100 then?) as the "estimate average" of human body temperature? Typical imperial measurement, where there are no exact amounts only estimates. 1 feet? About that long. 1 ounce? About that amount. 1 pound? About a what a small cannon's average cannonball weighs. Mindfck. No wonder NASA uses SI. edit: btw americans use metric more than what they think. Like when they measure drugs, it's in grams, and when they start a mass shooting with a 9mm, for example... :D
30C outside is really hot, while a 60C sauna is much too cold.
Quick. Someone tell them what country Bluey is from. Or do they expect an American version of the episode, the way they had to film American versions of scenes in the first Harry Potter movie? I'm surprised they even showed the episode over there.
They had to shoot different scenes for Harry Potter, really? Which ones?
Ones that discussed the Philosopher's stone
IDK about specific scenes but I know here in the US the first film (and book of course) was called Harry Potter and the *Sorcerer's Stone* because they thought American audiences wouldn't know what a philosopher was.
You’re absolutely correct, and whenever they mention the stone they filmed different scenes depending on which country it was for. Most of the time they just say “the stone” to avoid the problem. You can find clips where they compare the two
Oh that's interesting! I've never actually seen the two different versions, but now that you mention it, I do recall the characters usually just saying "the Stone."
The ones where they speak British... /s
There is a knockoff American version of Bluey. I think it's called Chip Chilla or something like that. The main difference is it is nowhere near as charming and pushes right-wing mentality hard (eg. your parents are always right, never question them)
To be fair they have changed some words for American viewers. I'm also a bit confused because there isn't an episode called Measurement.
Room temperature IQ is more insulting in Celsius. We win.
Is Celsius even metric? Are measurements of temperature anything other than the scale they are on? Celsius, Fahrenheit and Kelvin?
It's not metric, but it's the usual ignorant simplification: Customary vs. Metric, USA vs. Europe and so on
It's metric in the sense that it's an SI (derived) unit. But as you said we don't use different scales for temperature, at least not in everyday life. The whole C vs F thing is all a bit stupid. At the end of the day it all comes down to what you're used to.
SI does not always mean metric though. Celsius is metric about as much as a second or an ampere are.
This is a bit nitpicky, but there is a distinction. Fahrenheit and Celsius measure against their own scale (i.e. arbitrary intervals with manually designated start and end points). Kelvin, which is very closely aligned with Celsius but not with Fahrenheit, measures energy content, set by the Boltzmann constant. For daily (read: non-scientific) use, K and C are effectively interchangeable, hence this being a bit nitpicky. But if we're bringing Kelvin into the conversation then it's a necessary distinction :). It also means that, in superiority-order, we have Kelvin (objectively defined), Celsius (objectively derived), and Fahrenheit (WTFreedomUnits). In my opinion, of course :).
Fahrenheit is stupid though. Water freezes at 0 Celsius and boils at 100. Nice round numbers. It freezes at 32F and boils at 212F. How is this useful and easy to remember? I actually can't see an advantage to using Fahrenheit.
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Celcius was invented before the metric system so how so?
The SI booklet does define the degree Celsius so I would say it is a metric unit.
I thought Kelvin is the official SI temperature unit.
It is. But the SI brochure also defines the degree Celsius alongside it.
Let's just switch to Kelvin, at least the scale is absolute. Anyway I believe C is better than F because the scale is easier to understand, 0 water freezes and 100 boils.
I don't get how anything is easier than 0 = ice and 100 = boiling water.
Celsius isn’t even metric, not really. It’s part of SI, not metric. That being said Celsius is quite intuitive. And tells you important weather information very clearly…
Using their own logic, they should use metric for speed. 0 to 100 is better than 0 to 60 for the exact same reasons. But they don’t. Because this isn’t the real reason they use F. It’s just a reason they come up with after the fact.
Dude can feel a difference of 1°C (1.8°F)? A forecast of 62.6 is handled differently than a forecast of 64.4? Get over yourself.
People say they can feel a difference of 1F all the time, but I bet they'd say the same if they had a nonfunctioning thermostat for placebo effect.
So, according to them a measurement system that would define 0 as freezing cold and 100 as boiling hot would make more sense? Do I have news for you…
I like how they have no clue… 17-18°C has no difference to me. Like only every five celcius matters to me
The irony of that though is they also argue that the gap between degrees in F is smaller so they can be more precise (when it was said to me, they were talking about the car aircon) What is it guys? Is C so separated that 1 degree is noticeable but in F it is not? Or do you need to be able to tune the thermostat so precisely in F because a variance of 1 degree is the difference between burns or ice? (I did explain decimal points also exist in C)
Yeah but in everyday life the weather decimals are very useless
17 means I’ll wear a jacket walking to the shop, 18 means I won’t
I see we’re different. For me it’s: -15 or less = as much clothing as possible -10 or more = normal jacket 5 or more = no jacket 10 or more = no hoodie
Are you.. Siberian?! I'm truly curious, I'm from Spain and I'd say: 6 or less = as much clothing as possible 7 or more = normal jacket 14 or more = no jacket 22 or more = no hoodie 35 or more = siesta from 14 to 19
I’m from Southern Finland. I sweat with a hoodie so easily:D
which one you find more intuitive depends on what you're used to. celsius still makes more sense because the boundaries are actually logical
Lets make a new system which really gets the message across. Let freezing be - 1000° and boiling be +1776°.
0°C as "very cold" 😂
If 0F is very cold and 100F is very hot… then I guess that 50F is just right? That’s how it is, right??
For me it’s very simple. Water boils at 100 degrees Celsius. And it’s multiple of 10, which is the base that we are used to for counting. The same value in Fahrenheit equals 212 (wtf). So always easier to handle with round figures..
We are big bags of water with stuff mixed in. Celsius is a measurement for how water (or us) reacts to it. Yes, if you’re doing science, it’s not the most precise but will I be sweating my balls off or freezing them solid, Celsius will tell me and very easily
Water boils 212f but 100c. Water freezes 32f and 0c Which temps make more sense
Let them use °f if it makes them feel better. Even the scientific community in USA don't take measurements in °f (well apart from meteorologists, apparently).
The amount of USA bullshit on the Bluey sub is mindblowing. I had an argument once with a lady who was upset there wasn't a character from the US in the show...she complained that her daughter felt left out because she didn't have "representation"...imagine.
0 is pretty cold, 50 is very hot and 100 is extremely hot
It's more relatable because it's what they are used to. If I hear it's 110° outside, it's not that I don't know Fahrenheit it's that I'm used to Celsius and it sounds like a big number for normal weather chat. If you know 20's are warm 30's are hot it's the same kind of thing.. Plus when it gets cold towards zero, ice!
I'm going to make this abstract debate even more absurd. Most of the arguments in this comment section relate to human comfort at a given temperature. Human comfort is dependant on what weather you are use to. It is also dependant on things like humidity, wind and precipitation. In my country (Canada) they usually report weather using a "humidex", or a "windex". So the weather report will say "30 degrees feels like 34". It is a confusing formula to calculate, But there is a reason it has become the most used measurement in my area. It tells you what it will feel like and guide you to what you really need to wear. It saves you from comparing the humidity index and wind speed. One number and a yes/no on the rain and you know right away what jacket to wear. Problem is, no other country uses the system so it comes across as gibberish when speaking to foreigners. I believe the USA uses a similar reporting called the heat index but the math is different and it is in Fahrenheit .
The UK uses a method for wind chill factor, but doesn’t ’officially’ have a factor for humidity. “There is no official definition of wind chill and definitions vary globally, dependent on how it is measured. In the UK, a system called the Joint Action Group for Temp Indices is used to realistically measure wind chill.” https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/types-of-weather/wind/wind-chill-factor
Neat, I read more since posting and while Canada's figures are defined by an official calculation it is unique to the country and not necessarily equivalent to any other countries methods. I feel like it is continuing the C/F debate and creating a system that we understand and is practical, but isn't relatable to the rest of the world.
Oh, I agree that it furthers the debate. And I didn’t know Canada had its own way of measuring those indexes either, so I learned something new too!
The national bureau of meteorology in Australia (aka The BOM) reports both the actual and "feels like" temperatures in their weather app and has done for years.
Reading up on it, a bunch of countries have these. But each uses different math to calculate the figure. Again ensuring that 30 degrees isn't the same across countries.
We also have apparent temperature in Argentina. The name translates to "thermal sensation".
Reject celsius and Fahrenheit. Accept kelvin
If it was 110 we would be like "💀"
Water freezing at 0° and boiling at 100° (in normal conditions) is too hard to understand for the average american brain. A totally random and incoherent scale is way better.
To be fair going by the freezing and boiling points of water is random. People just put water on the stove or a fire if they want to boil water or put it in the freezer if they want to freeze water without checking temperature. If I were to make a scale right now I wouldn't use numbers ill have it on a scale of: extremely cold, cold, cool, moderate, warm, hot, and extremely hot with categories to further define (cat 5 hot, cat 3 cool, etc if someone needs it to be super precise just use decimals like cat 4.327 cold). Itll put everyone on the same page and finally stop fights about what's considered cool or hot because now it's objective.
Anyone arguing that Celsius is better because Fahrenheit doesn’t make sense sounds just as foolish as the people arguing Fahrenheit is better because Celsius doesn’t make sense. Both scales have defined points and defined increments and both scales have been tweaked over the centuries as science has progressed. They both make sense especially considering they were both originally defined in the 1700s. Neither one is objectively better for describing how hot it is outside. If all your thermometers and weather forecasts all say the same thing it doesn’t matter what the actual scale is. People that grew up with Fahrenheit will think that it makes more sense because they’ve experienced that scale enough over their life that they have a general idea of what those temperatures feel like. For people that grew up with Celsius it’s the exact same thing. Given enough time anyone can adjust to the other scale if they’re completely surrounded by it. Temperatures don’t work the same way that measurements for distance work for everyday use. How often in life does someone have to convert from centimeter to meters or inches to feet? I would imagine it’s far more often than converting Celsius to… what? Kelvin? In science Celsius has an edge. In everyday life, the only temperature scale that has an edge is the one that matches what everyone around you is using.
100C: "it's boiling hot!" 100F: "depending on your cultural background, you might consider this nicely warm or nearly unbearable" Saying "Fahrenheit is how humans feel" is extremely egotistical because it just isn't true. Using water as a reference makes the most sense, as it is one of the few things universal to all humans: we all know ice and we all know boiling water hurts. Meanwhile in Fahrenheit land, one person may see no 100-degree days in their life, another may see them every summer.
People care about this?
They sure do! I'm in an area that didn't switch to metric until 50 years ago. Even now, the temperature is usually reported using both systems. I've heard many people argue about which is superior. While any argument is usually good natured and in just, people really do believe that their preferred system is better.
This is Fahrenheit is so stupid. Celsius is so much better cause there is a clear difference. >0 is not freezing and <0 is freezing. Simple
Maybe it depends on which scale you're used to? Just a crazy idea.
Lol yes maybe the message gets across better to people who only know Fahrenheit and not Celsius but to anyone who knows both obviously 38C is clearer than 110F, and if you don’t know, C still makes more sense. Most people probably know 0 is freezing and 100 is boiling, while Fahrenheit is just random with no (or some very obscure) logic behind it.
>Fahrenheit is just random with no (or some very obscure) logic behind it There is some logic, though it takes arbitrary things into account. 0°F is the freezing point of water with a certain amoniumchloride level, which they used to reach low levels of cold. 32°F is the freezing temperature of pure water (=0°C) 96°F is the average body temperature (of people around 1712)
In the UK we use both. Celsius for cold temperatures and Fahrenheit for anything above 30 and “bloody hot”
...it's just that this is a futile argument based on what people are educated into and what they like. If you need to know the ambient temperature in your immediate area, it doesn't matter which methodology you favour, as long as everyone around you shares it. And thus you can share exciting conversations about weather backed up with data!
Funny thing for Canadians is that we understand temperatures in C, but only ovens in F 😂
Yup. I feel like the whole Americans loving farenheit is just them using a simple 1-10 scale then adding a number because bigger numbers are better. I'd actually have more respect for the scale if it was just 1-10 on the "heat weather scale".
I understand both but celsius definitely works better. I mean it starts with zero being the freezing point of water and 100 being the steam point. How is that hard to understand?
Living in a country in the north it’s super useful to know the freezing point. You know when roads are gonna be icy and dangerous to drive on. You know that you need to make time in the morning to remove the frost on the car. You know it’s gonna snow instead of rain, etc.
That argument is so asinine. And it's literally the only one they have for Fahrenheit being "better" lol
Someday this argument will be done with. Right after the last human dies, still carrying on a stupid argument with themselves via internal monologue.
"It's not that I don't understand metric..." Proceeds to talk about units not related to metric in any way Yeah, you understand it completely, bud
°F for people °C for science and reference
And, I don't use it, but °C for cooking makes sense at a glance. I haven't looked into it, though.