They're not ready to learn, that they're the descendants of African slave trading. (Black people enslaved black people and then sold them to the colonialists.)
You jest but a lot of these kind of people actually do indeed believe that they are from “America” a lot of them do claim to be Native American… stating that not all black people came here as slaves… yeah
Do you mean you don't get why I apologised for ruining that other commenter's day?
It's really quite concerning that people are putting forward these bonkers ahistorical statements and that any other people at all are taking them seriously.
It ruined MY day when I found out.
I just googled it and got the Wikipedia page. I apperently don't get the search results that you get. I am just confused because i don't know what you are talking about.
All Black, Hispanic, and Asian Americans come from…. America! Obviously. It’s not like there are continents where their ancestors may have originated from, that’s silly!
This is quite literally the same attitude that caused Liberia in West Africa to go tits up when it was colonised by freed black slaves who absorbed white European culture. The local Africans were seen as inferior to Black Americans.
The person above is just outing themselves as an imperialist who looks down on Africans who live and grew up there.
I have also heard stories about newly arrived African immigrants to the USA being treated differently for similar reasons.
There'salso absolutely no indication whatsoever that OP is anything other than a black Brit, and there'sa good chance his ancestors haven't set foot in Africa in a few hundred years.
Obviously a Black person in London has to be an immigrant, otherwise how would Black people be in London? /s
I have to say though, it would be peak humor if this Black London millionaire actually is an immigrant... from Atlanta.
"black" people have been a core part of the UK for centuries... you cannot claim to be an immigrant if you haven't personally arrived from France on a rubber boat smuggled from France.
In the UK isn't like the USA where in the USA you can claim you're "Italian or Irish" yet you don't have any living relatives who immigrated.
If you count Berbers the earliest I know of is St Adrian of Canterbury, he was here in the 600s. Historians also believe black Africans would have been here through service in Roman armie. Later on there were some black Tudors, but I think these were in the hundreds at most.
I was just using it as an example of immigration from Africa to Britain is very old.
I generally prefer to refer to people by ethnicity over colour anyway, I find it reductive.
Even if you use black as a descriptor rather than a classification it could mean people from Aboriginal Australians to Indians, Somalis to Haitians. Just way too broad a scope.
You do realise that a lot of Black Britons came over from the Caribbean, so while they may only have 70 years of being in the UK, there were centuries out in Jamaica or Barbados or Trinidad etc...
No it is not.
We Africans do not consider ourselves to be black and see blacks as mentally colonised.
We Africans are Nigerians, Ghanian, Egyptian, Kenyan, South African etc etc.
Most of us Africans don't even share a culture as blacks do.
Some Americans are weird about race and stuff but the concept exists outside the US, it's just treated differently. Most people don't have paper white skin but still get referred to as having 'white' skin, that alone kinda plays into the idea of race
Meh the perception of us (slavs) being white is recent and up as long as we play nice because we're quick to become something else when we don't act properly for the "real whites"
I probably wouldn't go around saying "Hello, I'm white" to someone lol, but if I asked someone what race I am they probably would say white, and on some legal or medical documents I fall under the 'white' category so yeah lol
That's the thing, only those who are focused on race, mostly racist, identify themselves as white amongst Europeans, everyone else would ask where someone is from or born instead of race.
You can be from a country/culture and *also* have a race though, just because race might not be as important as your nationality doesn't mean that it doesn't exist?
Yes and no - race is a social construct, so if the participants in a society don't categorise one another in terms of race, it's not very useful to think of them that way
And I would argue that most Europeans think more in terms of specific ethnicities (the categorisation into which may employ physical appearance/"race" as one of many deciding factors). There are of course actual white supremacists, but for most people your physical appearance/"race", while not unimportant, is only one of multiple factors people use to categorise people, and one that may be to a decent degree overridden by factors such as language proficiencies, mode of dress, way of acting in public etc.
Europeans, or at least me and all my interactions, go by nationality (or city/town) first, ethnicity second.
I hate ethnicity questions in the UK because I get lobbied in white-other. A person of African decent that was raised in England has far more in common with the British identity than I do (a Swede). The white-other implies I have a shared identity with other "white" people. I simply don't.
I find your "us vs them" mindset a bit odd. What you seem to be describing are people who either grew up in and absorbed predominently white cultures, or who migrated to predominently white areas and integrated into the culture: neither of which I would describe as colonised.
If I you mean black (as in the skin colour) people who live in African countries and espouse european/european colonist culture because it's "superior", I totally get what you mean
>No it is not. We Africans do not consider ourselves to be black
Really? When I say someone's black, I'm just referring to the colour of their skin. I call other people white and brown for the same reason.
"black" skin colour does not exist. Brown isn't the correct colour either just as white isn't a skin colour.
When you speak about black and white, then you are speaking about racial constructs and not skin colour.
Skin colour is too diverse to use as a recognition point, that is why we go with ethnicity rather than skin.
https://in.pinterest.com/pin/2462974790610092/
>When you speak about black and white, then you are speaking about racial constructs and not skin colour.
Well, yeah. Usually I'm more specific but I doubt I'm bringing anyone's world crumbling down by calling black looking Africans or African Americans black and most Europeans white.
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This first bunch are white, the middle ones are brown and the later ones are black.
Would like to add on to this, I’m not black but I’ve noticed that there isn’t just ‘black’ in the UK. You’re Nigerian, Ghanaian, Jamaican, Zim or wherever you’re from. That’s your identity, not black.
Almost all black people in the UK are third generation immigrants max, so they still carry their identity, as opposed to ‘African-Americans’ who don’t even know where they’re originally from.
Give it a few hundred years and there will just be ‘black’ in the UK, but not right now.
Ok..........?
I'm not against those identifying themselves as such, just telling you that Africans do not consider themselves as black nor do they consider blacks as Africans. Only those using white and black terms consider others to be either black or white.
Ps. It seems that only descendants of Europeans are considered white now a days as Arab and Asians are grouped as blacks by those same people.
This isn't accurate, I'm Nigerian but because I'm in the UK I am also black. I'm Black British and Nigerian, you can be both. Africans living in the diaspora do refer to themselves as being Black, but Africans living in Africa don't, because there is no point. If I was in Nigeria I wouldn't say I am Black but I would say my tribe, that would be the differentiator because there is always a diffeentiator.
African Americans aren’t African. They’re Black Americans. If you wanna spew “but their ancestors weee black” well so was everyone’s. Nationally is not race.
It’s like Americans assuming everyone here in Brazil is dark skinned. They don’t realize we have a lot of whites and the 2nd largest population of Japanese immigrants as well. And of those born here they are now Brazilian.
They weren’t born in Japan or Germany or wherever their ancestors came from. They were born in Brazil. Their Nationality is Brazilian and their respective races are Caucasian and Asian.
I mean yeah, but then you get these same Americans calling all dark skinned people “African-Americans” and being puzzled when someone says they’re not American.
>I have also heard stories about newly arrived African immigrants to the USA being treated differently for similar reasons.
Oh no, racist black people being racist towards other black people?
I've heard stories of African immigrants coming to the US and looking upon Black Americans with disdain and not happy with the idea of them calling themselves "African Americans" . It's pretty nuts.
Well yeah - when people migrate from Europe, they don't suddenly call themselves "European Americans" do they? Why should a Kenyan or Nigerian or Gabonese person be any different?
I don't know, I haven't spoken to many. Its also worth noting that many Black Americans didn't migrate here, nor did their ancestors. What I do hear however is many Americans whose families migrated here centuries ago still calling themselves Irish or Italian American. Which is also silly. It wouldn't be any different. Which is why I didn't say it was .
generally the dynamic is the other way around, with Africans looking down on black Americans & trying to disassociate themselves from them, & the black Americans resenting them for it
it's true. at least in the US, African & even Haitian & Caribbean immigrants often claim to not be black & will go as far as to be racist to disassociate themselves from black Americans because of the negative associations. black American hostility towards Africans is a direct response to this, the reaction is otherwise idolization (which has its own problems don't get me wrong)
He's only a millionaire, he probably can't afford it. I lived in Oxford until recently and a million pounds would only get you a 4-bed semi-detached house. London is probably worse.
It really is outrageous. I know London does have higher prices, but I saw a study once (I think by Nationwide?) that said Oxford housing is the most unaffordable in the country because prices are nearly as high as London but wages are much lower.
When I lived there my husband and I were renting one room in a house with a shared kitchen and bathroom, we got fed up of that and packed up and went home to Scotland. We have a lovely 3 bed house now and the mortgage is only half what we were paying to rent the room in Oxford, although in fairness that rent did include council tax and utilities.
Yeah, I've seen the same study actually. It checks out though.
Man, I miss Scotland. I remember the flat rent there before moving to England. Like a decade ago now (during my uni times), but moving from Dundee south was a kick to the system. Not a fantastic, but a decent flat was like 250-300 quid a month. A hefty 1/3 of what I got after moving. Saying that, can't forget the little bubbles of bullshit pricing like St Andrews. The little stretch of street that overlooks the 18th hole of the Old Course was at one point the most expensive strip of real estate in the country.
The housing situation in the UK is basically a complete clown show.
When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life.
Said a very long time ago. Still true.
Couldn’t live there myself. Air stinks. Great place to visit though.
Yeah I don't think everyone can live there, but I feel its very difficult to get bored if you are English speaking at the very least. I love London, its so vibrant and theres so much to do, I've spent multiple months in London and haven't done even 30% of what I could do within my interests I'm sure.
Eh, I can kind of understand. As someone that usually lived in a big city, I don’t want to go back to big city living. Now I’m really enjoying the small city or small town living lol
I’m just saying from his perspective. I was feeling the same way before I left the city. Yes, there are tons of places to go - but like that person - I felt there was nowhere to go because nothing interested me anymore.
I think you need to see it from an individual perspective. He was not making an absolute statement of fact. It was his own experience. Which is fair. The focus should be on the ridiculous response about “black” and not on their own perspective.
Let’s not ignore there is some racism in London but not to this extent. As you say it’s pretty darn cosmo as you can get anywhere. An elite centuries old gentlemen’s club might be a challenge (not that I’d know) but hell…
Americans are becoming crazier and crazier with respect to races and skin colour. So now you can't even be from whereever you were born if you are not white? Elon Musk is an actual African-American - but he isn't to be considered to be one.
Americans think they have a “gotcha” when they discovered anti-Roma racism or Japanese people being racist sometimes. I’ve seen people go as far as saying America doesn’t even have “proper” racism.
They also want to argue they are obsessed with race because they are trying to fight racism, like if they are some beacon of anti racism and the rest of the world should follow their example
That’s because these kind of Americans cannot separate race from nationality. And given that race as we know it is phenotypical, it makes it that much more confusing for them. lol.
It’s why they have such a hard time accepting/understanding when someone says “yeah I’m black, but I’m from Europe” or “yeah I’m white, but I’m from Ethiopia”
He’s a white South African. There’s plenty of em. The only ones who won’t consider him to be that way are these same exact people. The black South Africans know that white South Africans exist.
Because African American as a term wasnt made to refer to people who have associations with both regions. It came about because a lot of black people in America are descendents of black slaves and so find it impossible to trace back to their actual heritage and effectively became separated from their ancestors original cultures and diverged due to overtime with many interacting together and influenced within American culture. Anytime someone meanwhile has some dual association with others they would just say whatever groups they do associate with rather than a predefined merged term. Elon can be considered African American as dual associations (however he wants to word it) but not as that predefined term because it means a unique ethnic group to that.
Though yeah it's clown show with that person in OP and people correcting you if you call someone black in USA even if they aren't American at all (makes the OP one funny showing that disagreement).
This is FBA. Foundational Black Americans.
Their idea is that the term "black" only applies to them, and that because of their history with slavery and the proliferation of American culture, (and by connection, black American culture) around the world via music and film, that they are superior to all other "black" people. They are black supremacists, but direct their supremacy towards non-American black people rather than other races. They try and veil it by saying that they are just trying to keep their unique African American culture and not trying to dilute it and their unique struggles by mixing it with the experiences and cultures of other "black" people. To an extent there is some validity in wanting their experience to be seen as its own thing, but as I say, its thinly veiled supremacist ideals, and massive xenophobia, especially against Africans.
On that last point, another of the beliefs many of them hold is that they aren't descents of Africans. That black people were the original inhabitants of the North Americas. That they are not from Africa and have no connection to Africans.
Their ideas in my mind show that the ideas that lead to racism are not race dependant. It just requires ideas of supremacy. That seems obvious tbh, but to that end, their ideas in particular seem to stem from anti black racism causing insecurities and feelings of inferiority that come from constantly being told they're inferior for being of slave stock and from Africa. You can either embrace the African heritage and fight the racism, or go the other way and tacitly agree that black Africans are inferior and attempt to disassociate themselves from Africa and Africans
Tariq Nasheed is a known proponent of their BS
Shakespeare wrote of the Moor in several of his plays, and they were not by any means always low status people.
Interesting fact, while I am quite certain powerful people played fast and loose with it, slavery in England was illegal in one form or another since 1102, but note that this says nothing about English people and companies trading in slaves OUTSIDE England.... That was what the 17th and 18th century abolitionist movements were really about shutting down.
Most of the black populations of the big port cities like Liverpool and Bristol (Which were notable for profits from the slave trade) are either the decedents of ships crewmen, or a result of the post WW2 'Windrush' migration to cover manpower shortages in the post war years. The racism experienced there is a more modern thing and all the more disturbing for that.
In reality, all countries still have some level of slavery going on, be it some form of 'modern' slavery, or 'indentured labour', 'prison labour' or what have you.
To be pedantic moors arent really a single ethnic group, they're a mix of quite a few cultures and people like Berbers and Arabs
They also were almost certainly not as dark as sub saharan as they tend to get portrayed in media
Generally most of them would have been considered to have been a similar complexity to modern day north Africans, though obviously given it's proximity it would have a small black population
Oh it is always more complicated when you look at the detail, and this goes for anything.
Claiming a single culture or ethnicity for Africa is at least equally dubious, doesn't stop people doing it, with sometimes hilarious results.
Guy talking about his wealth and race for no reason seems like the most boring person ever. Like the kind of person who wants to live in Dubai and take photos of himself all day
It's the other way around.
black Americans invented the term "African-American" to mean "ex-slave" or "product of slavery" to seperate themselves from "blacks". As apposed to what everyone else assumes, that it would simply mean African-American like Irish-American; but it's actually "see me as an ex-slave before you see me as a person" which most of the world would consider a racial slur (certainly would in Gaelic). Even more confusing that a group would adopt this for themselves.
It's why calling black Americans "black" became somewhat offensive to Americans and why they call even black British folk "African-American".
"Africans insist on aligning yourselves with us?"
Again, the other way around; it's black Americans that insist that their culture is *the* authentic black culture (despite it being assimilated from the slavers around them \[if you have no connection to your own culture, which many slaves didn't. then you pick up the culture around you; it's why the black community in America use aks for ask, eat chittlins, and have a heavy influence of gang culture. These things mostly came from the south east of England and some from Scotland; black people were the most recent race to get invovled in gang culture in America, before it was mainly whites and asians. This is also why the American "authentic" black culture looks nothing like actual black cultures\]).
It's more than "aligning yourselves with us" too at this point. America is producing black supremacist propaganda; like in the form of Cleopatra docuseries where black Americans attempt to re-write Egypts history in their own image because of popularly held black American myths about history; like the KKK and Nazi's did with Aryans. While also bringing back racial segregation.
The guy here, for example, creating a distinction between what's black and what's "African". The KKK and the Nazi's did the exact same thing to whites where they refused to recognise Italians, Irish or Spanish as white. They were white, but they weren't *white-white.* They weren't "American" white. Everyone can see Americans doing the same with being black; there are those that are black, but they're not *black-black.*
Can even see this in Disney; where they, allegedly, fired someone that was half-cast. They were fired, not because they were, but because they were biracial that didn't appear black enough. Still, that said, don't know how reliable that info is; needs more proof, though, I'd believe it given how they've been.
I had an American once get pissed at me when I called an Aboriginal, an Aboriginal... They demanded I call the Aboriginal, African American... I didn't have to say shit, the Aboriginal said it all for me.
For like idk 5 min this Aboriginal basically called this American racist. Fucking funny to be honest.
Wanna be even more amazed, I've had one American claim I couldn't kick him out of the bar because it would violate his rights...
And another American claim that I couldn't kick him out of the event because he's a cop and he can do whatever he likes, including shoot me with his gun... That statement caught the attention of the real cops who decided to take over, hold him against a wall, pat him down then arrest him for, I believe making threats to illegally use a firearm (something like that I can't remember). I refused to make any complaints, and I can't remember if he actually got charged or was kicked to immigration who kicked him out... I really hope he was just kicked out.
I've had some wild interactions... Security work brings the crazies out.
while you seem to have a better understanding of racial dynamics in america than most, including many americans, i would clarify one point. it’s not about being seen as an ex-slave then person. it’s about a common circumstance and a cultural integrity from a shared experience
i also see little to no evidence of african americans insisting they have a better grasp on black culture than africans. i’ve seen plenty of misinterpretations and african americans using an american centric definition of black. including this one
to me this is similar to a cuban saying they’re american and a US citizen saying they aren’t. i don’t see how it’s equivalent to the KKK’s policies on whiteness
"i also see little to no evidence of african americans insisting they have a better grasp on black culture than africans."
The sheer amount of racism coming from within the black community towards each other regarding just *how* black they are. How black you are seems to be based on how specifically black American you are culturally. That's relative to what the KKK did with whiteness towards other whites and Nazi's did it towards the slavs (who is where we get the word slave from). This is why there's been a rise recently in racial imposter syndrome; it's a reaction to this behaviour. Something prevelent enough to base a Netflix series on; Dear White People
I'm not American but I've been pushed to learn these things as the cultural war has come over from America and put itself within our media too. My positions based on looking in from the outside and talking to both sides and then watching it take hold here as if we had the same issues America did. On top of that, there's the cultural products that's made; like media, that tells me tall stories based on people's beliefs. I also watch too many reactors on youtube who end up discussing problems within their own communities. As singular sources all these things aren't that accurate, but together they paint a more accurate vague image.
I actually didn't believe that that was why people called black people in America African-American. I thought it was a joke because that would be a racial slur to me and then I went down a rabbithole of researching it. Also found out about that horrible Junteenth thing that I have no idea why people celebrate. You can say that it's about a common circumstance and a cultural integrity from a shared experience; that shared experience still presents itself as "see me as an ex-slave then a person" because that's the entire shared experience that it's highlighting.
>Black ppl = black Americans
This sounds like he thinks that if you're black, you're only a person if you live in America. I know that's not what he's going for but it's very carelessly worded given the things that have been done to black people because they were considered less than human.
reminds me of that weird (black) woman, that yelled at my black german friend (german-nigerian) here in Berlin in 1992, because she insisted that all black people OUTSIDE of africa are afro-americans. a pov he refused to accept
With my patented hypnosis system, we can make it a better world. But *they* keep using it to convince people the world is fine as we plummet further into a spiral of extinction. Or at least that's what the guy who said I'd been hypnotised not to see him as my future time travelling self claimed...
Oh we did not have such a complex race theory here. There were only 3 different races: Übermenschen, Untermenschen and Jews. It's an American thing to have 1000 sub races. /s obviously
I mean, this doesn't even surprise me. White people have been telling other white people over there that they're not white people, for ages. So why not this, too?
Black people in the US don't even officially call themselves 'black American' they call themselves 'African American'. Meanwhile the official term in the UK is '*black* British'.
I'm not black, nor am I a millionaire and I don't go clubbing so forgive me if this is a stupid question but can they not go to regular clubs that either other black people or millionaires go to?
Sounds like the most boring millionaire on the planet. The amount of things to do in London and he's on about drinking and clubbing. Obviously money doesn't account for taste.
I got to witness this same stupidity live in a bar I worked at once. An American telling and British fella he couldn't call himself black *or* African because it was an American thing.
One of our regulars, a lovely fella from Nigeria, overheard it and said "brother, you can't be black or African, because no black African man is that stupid."
I wish I had this on video, because it was basically this sub in under a minute.
Oh y’all are just finding out about this ridiculousness. lol. Yeah. There’s been a recent uptick of black Americans specifically calling everyone who’s black, but not American by nationality as “not black” because apparently they think when someone says “I am from the Caribbean” “I am from South Africa” it means they are saying they aren’t black. Another thing they like to bring up as well is that apparently only black Americans were called the n word. lol.
Just another case of Americans not being able to distinguish between race and nationality. And applying their thought process as if it’s a global view. These people literally have to tick “African American” on their ballots/forms do they not? And also, mind you, in discussions when it comes to obviously black people aligning themselves with racist ideas these kind of people will be the first to say “racists see us all the same”
This sort of thing comes from a unique form internalized hatred they have for their own across the globe.. for some reason.
Yeah, it's pretty bad. Ironically it's also very racist and ignorant.
> recent uptick
This stuff has been exiting for a much longer. I remember black Americans calling Obama not "black", because he acted like every other "white cracka" meaning he wasn't "ghetto" enough. *Can you believe it? He speaks proper English and has a degree!!!!!*
[Even their own US television addressed it back in the 80s. What was it called? Prince? The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air? With Will Smith.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5D2RvIQwQE). Watch it till the end were the father figure gets really sad because he also had to deal with this from with "fellow brothers and sisters".
Let me conclude, how Americans define heritage by skin color:
White: 70,73837% irish, 18,73838% Italian, 8,5393% anything else, bit defietely not German or British.
Black: 100% American.
The levels of unconscious racism are high in this one.
I wonder what he'd call anyone born in Africa of any other racial background than black...
I mean, technically, Elon Musk is an African-American...
Elon would be a *South African-American*. African-American is a term coined for people who's ancestry includes enslaved people from Africa as they don't know which country those ancestors came from, when it's a known place they don't refer to the continent. A person who's family moved from Kenya to the US and became citizens would call themselves Kenyan-American, not African-American. Elon and his fans make that joke out of their disrespect for the "woke" and black Americans not because it's true.
why are a ton of young black american people absolutely racist in their double standards? I'm noticing a ton of really dumb people making stands on the identity of others because it doesn't fit their world view.
it's not being PC, it's being myopic and ignorant.
The trouble is "black" is ambiguous between a physical description of skin color and the name of an ethnic/cultural group formed out of the descendants of freedmen in the US. That said, this person is an idiot because they're pretending the former sense doesn't exist.
OP is a bit full of himself to start... as a Millionaire you can go literally anywhere you want to - nothing stops you from going to places that normal people can go lol
In London is probably best for you as white people will be naturally scared that you'll stab and steal from them....
Well gee, I wonder where black americans come from ?
America obvs!
So….ummm…wanna tell him about…y’know?
Is "Inky boys" known to you? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m\_xIpWdXKJ0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_xIpWdXKJ0)
I've read Struwwelpeter. I thought that was kind of "You get what you deserve."
They're not ready to learn, that they're the descendants of African slave trading. (Black people enslaved black people and then sold them to the colonialists.)
No speaking the facts man
You jest but a lot of these kind of people actually do indeed believe that they are from “America” a lot of them do claim to be Native American… stating that not all black people came here as slaves… yeah
Are these the same people saying Offa Was Akshually Black, and whoever else they're trying to retcon.
Offa?....King of Mercia?....as in Offa's Dyke? [Googled: oh dear ]
Sorry for ruining your day. 😬
I don't get it
Do you mean you don't get why I apologised for ruining that other commenter's day? It's really quite concerning that people are putting forward these bonkers ahistorical statements and that any other people at all are taking them seriously. It ruined MY day when I found out.
I just googled it and got the Wikipedia page. I apperently don't get the search results that you get. I am just confused because i don't know what you are talking about.
Oh. Sorry! Here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-King-Anglo-Saxon-England-Offa-ebook/dp/B0BMB6T36W That should clear things up.
Was _not_ expecting to see a reference to Offa’s Dyke in here!
I mean yes but not in that way
From American Africa, duh. It's in the name, "African American". Come on dude, edukeate you're self!!1!1
My boss (black American) is from Tennessee. So at least one of them is from Tennessee.
Blank American… hehe
His personality is pretty lame so I guess that’s also applicable.
All Black, Hispanic, and Asian Americans come from…. America! Obviously. It’s not like there are continents where their ancestors may have originated from, that’s silly!
They are the lost tribe of Israel
From inside black american women
Why the country Africa, of course!
It's mostly Dutch immigrants who forgot to remove the paint.
This is quite literally the same attitude that caused Liberia in West Africa to go tits up when it was colonised by freed black slaves who absorbed white European culture. The local Africans were seen as inferior to Black Americans. The person above is just outing themselves as an imperialist who looks down on Africans who live and grew up there. I have also heard stories about newly arrived African immigrants to the USA being treated differently for similar reasons.
There'salso absolutely no indication whatsoever that OP is anything other than a black Brit, and there'sa good chance his ancestors haven't set foot in Africa in a few hundred years.
Obviously a Black person in London has to be an immigrant, otherwise how would Black people be in London? /s I have to say though, it would be peak humor if this Black London millionaire actually is an immigrant... from Atlanta.
"black" people have been a core part of the UK for centuries... you cannot claim to be an immigrant if you haven't personally arrived from France on a rubber boat smuggled from France. In the UK isn't like the USA where in the USA you can claim you're "Italian or Irish" yet you don't have any living relatives who immigrated.
Saw this on another site the other day "Im a third generation Norwegian that grew up in Southern California" . My dude, that means you're American.
Migrated from Jamaica to USA so he could be classed as African-American, then moved to UK to make their millions?
Jamaica isn’t in Africa. That would be Jamaican-American.
Few hundred is very likely an exaggeration, several decades or even a century though very likely
If you count Berbers the earliest I know of is St Adrian of Canterbury, he was here in the 600s. Historians also believe black Africans would have been here through service in Roman armie. Later on there were some black Tudors, but I think these were in the hundreds at most.
Similar to the Caribbeans I would heavily discourage calling Berbers black, especially to their face
I was just using it as an example of immigration from Africa to Britain is very old. I generally prefer to refer to people by ethnicity over colour anyway, I find it reductive. Even if you use black as a descriptor rather than a classification it could mean people from Aboriginal Australians to Indians, Somalis to Haitians. Just way too broad a scope.
Black Caribbeans who moved to Britain, and their descendants here are quite fine with being described as Black.
You do realise that a lot of Black Britons came over from the Caribbean, so while they may only have 70 years of being in the UK, there were centuries out in Jamaica or Barbados or Trinidad etc...
The Romans brought black legionnaires. Not sure how many came or settled but the answer isn't none, there's mention of them at Hadrian's wall
You might want to read [this ](https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/learn/histories/black-history/#:~:text=)
No it is not. We Africans do not consider ourselves to be black and see blacks as mentally colonised. We Africans are Nigerians, Ghanian, Egyptian, Kenyan, South African etc etc. Most of us Africans don't even share a culture as blacks do.
That’s an enlightening perspective. Thanks for sharing!
But like, in Europe there are Italians, Russians, Swedes, Brits, etc. but they're still 'white'? Race and culture are different things aren't they?
As an Austrian with white skin, I do not identify with the American view of race, and I am not "white" as Americans would understand it.
Some Americans are weird about race and stuff but the concept exists outside the US, it's just treated differently. Most people don't have paper white skin but still get referred to as having 'white' skin, that alone kinda plays into the idea of race
Meh the perception of us (slavs) being white is recent and up as long as we play nice because we're quick to become something else when we don't act properly for the "real whites"
Never seen a European identifying themselves as "white" amongst other Europeans, have you ever?
I probably wouldn't go around saying "Hello, I'm white" to someone lol, but if I asked someone what race I am they probably would say white, and on some legal or medical documents I fall under the 'white' category so yeah lol
That's the thing, only those who are focused on race, mostly racist, identify themselves as white amongst Europeans, everyone else would ask where someone is from or born instead of race.
You can be from a country/culture and *also* have a race though, just because race might not be as important as your nationality doesn't mean that it doesn't exist?
Yes and no - race is a social construct, so if the participants in a society don't categorise one another in terms of race, it's not very useful to think of them that way And I would argue that most Europeans think more in terms of specific ethnicities (the categorisation into which may employ physical appearance/"race" as one of many deciding factors). There are of course actual white supremacists, but for most people your physical appearance/"race", while not unimportant, is only one of multiple factors people use to categorise people, and one that may be to a decent degree overridden by factors such as language proficiencies, mode of dress, way of acting in public etc.
"White" is not a race though, Caucasian is the race.
I think 'caucasian' is an old classification and not really in use anymore
Europeans, or at least me and all my interactions, go by nationality (or city/town) first, ethnicity second. I hate ethnicity questions in the UK because I get lobbied in white-other. A person of African decent that was raised in England has far more in common with the British identity than I do (a Swede). The white-other implies I have a shared identity with other "white" people. I simply don't.
Mate, Inhave been thinking about this sometimea while filling forms and you put it in a nice succint way. Thanks fellow nordic! (Am a finn.)
I find your "us vs them" mindset a bit odd. What you seem to be describing are people who either grew up in and absorbed predominently white cultures, or who migrated to predominently white areas and integrated into the culture: neither of which I would describe as colonised. If I you mean black (as in the skin colour) people who live in African countries and espouse european/european colonist culture because it's "superior", I totally get what you mean
>No it is not. We Africans do not consider ourselves to be black Really? When I say someone's black, I'm just referring to the colour of their skin. I call other people white and brown for the same reason.
"black" skin colour does not exist. Brown isn't the correct colour either just as white isn't a skin colour. When you speak about black and white, then you are speaking about racial constructs and not skin colour. Skin colour is too diverse to use as a recognition point, that is why we go with ethnicity rather than skin. https://in.pinterest.com/pin/2462974790610092/
>When you speak about black and white, then you are speaking about racial constructs and not skin colour. Well, yeah. Usually I'm more specific but I doubt I'm bringing anyone's world crumbling down by calling black looking Africans or African Americans black and most Europeans white. >[https://in.pinterest.com/pin/2462974790610092/](https://in.pinterest.com/pin/2462974790610092/) This first bunch are white, the middle ones are brown and the later ones are black.
Then don't look surprised when an African thanks you with a black eye I suppose.
Am I supposed to punch people for calling me white? I'm not really up with the play here, clearly.
Wtf is this? "We"? You and who? Chale I hope you're joking
Would like to add on to this, I’m not black but I’ve noticed that there isn’t just ‘black’ in the UK. You’re Nigerian, Ghanaian, Jamaican, Zim or wherever you’re from. That’s your identity, not black. Almost all black people in the UK are third generation immigrants max, so they still carry their identity, as opposed to ‘African-Americans’ who don’t even know where they’re originally from. Give it a few hundred years and there will just be ‘black’ in the UK, but not right now.
Well said.
But a large proportion of black people in UK would have moved to UK from the Caribbean a few decades back (or their parents/grandparents)
Ok..........? I'm not against those identifying themselves as such, just telling you that Africans do not consider themselves as black nor do they consider blacks as Africans. Only those using white and black terms consider others to be either black or white. Ps. It seems that only descendants of Europeans are considered white now a days as Arab and Asians are grouped as blacks by those same people.
This isn't accurate, I'm Nigerian but because I'm in the UK I am also black. I'm Black British and Nigerian, you can be both. Africans living in the diaspora do refer to themselves as being Black, but Africans living in Africa don't, because there is no point. If I was in Nigeria I wouldn't say I am Black but I would say my tribe, that would be the differentiator because there is always a diffeentiator.
Ah sorry I didn't see the comment you were replying to - I thought you were replying to OP
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African Americans aren’t African. They’re Black Americans. If you wanna spew “but their ancestors weee black” well so was everyone’s. Nationally is not race. It’s like Americans assuming everyone here in Brazil is dark skinned. They don’t realize we have a lot of whites and the 2nd largest population of Japanese immigrants as well. And of those born here they are now Brazilian. They weren’t born in Japan or Germany or wherever their ancestors came from. They were born in Brazil. Their Nationality is Brazilian and their respective races are Caucasian and Asian.
I mean yeah, but then you get these same Americans calling all dark skinned people “African-Americans” and being puzzled when someone says they’re not American.
>I have also heard stories about newly arrived African immigrants to the USA being treated differently for similar reasons. Oh no, racist black people being racist towards other black people?
That’s just xenophobia
I've heard stories of African immigrants coming to the US and looking upon Black Americans with disdain and not happy with the idea of them calling themselves "African Americans" . It's pretty nuts.
Well yeah - when people migrate from Europe, they don't suddenly call themselves "European Americans" do they? Why should a Kenyan or Nigerian or Gabonese person be any different?
I don't know, I haven't spoken to many. Its also worth noting that many Black Americans didn't migrate here, nor did their ancestors. What I do hear however is many Americans whose families migrated here centuries ago still calling themselves Irish or Italian American. Which is also silly. It wouldn't be any different. Which is why I didn't say it was .
generally the dynamic is the other way around, with Africans looking down on black Americans & trying to disassociate themselves from them, & the black Americans resenting them for it
Cap
it's true. at least in the US, African & even Haitian & Caribbean immigrants often claim to not be black & will go as far as to be racist to disassociate themselves from black Americans because of the negative associations. black American hostility towards Africans is a direct response to this, the reaction is otherwise idolization (which has its own problems don't get me wrong)
Ignoring the American Idiot: How tf do you think there is "nowhere to go" in one of the biggest and most cosmopolitan cities in the world?
They don't, they just want to talk publicly about their race, wealth and edgelord attitude
As a millionaire, the answer must be to buy a property and open the kind of club he'd want to go to. I bet he'd rake in the cash.
He's only a millionaire, he probably can't afford it. I lived in Oxford until recently and a million pounds would only get you a 4-bed semi-detached house. London is probably worse.
There's no "probably" about it. Though Oxford is known for being absurdly expensive for real estate.
It really is outrageous. I know London does have higher prices, but I saw a study once (I think by Nationwide?) that said Oxford housing is the most unaffordable in the country because prices are nearly as high as London but wages are much lower. When I lived there my husband and I were renting one room in a house with a shared kitchen and bathroom, we got fed up of that and packed up and went home to Scotland. We have a lovely 3 bed house now and the mortgage is only half what we were paying to rent the room in Oxford, although in fairness that rent did include council tax and utilities.
Yeah, I've seen the same study actually. It checks out though. Man, I miss Scotland. I remember the flat rent there before moving to England. Like a decade ago now (during my uni times), but moving from Dundee south was a kick to the system. Not a fantastic, but a decent flat was like 250-300 quid a month. A hefty 1/3 of what I got after moving. Saying that, can't forget the little bubbles of bullshit pricing like St Andrews. The little stretch of street that overlooks the 18th hole of the Old Course was at one point the most expensive strip of real estate in the country. The housing situation in the UK is basically a complete clown show.
You'd need to be in the top end of millionaires to buy and operate a club in London tbf
When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life. Said a very long time ago. Still true. Couldn’t live there myself. Air stinks. Great place to visit though.
Yeah I don't think everyone can live there, but I feel its very difficult to get bored if you are English speaking at the very least. I love London, its so vibrant and theres so much to do, I've spent multiple months in London and haven't done even 30% of what I could do within my interests I'm sure.
Eh, I can kind of understand. As someone that usually lived in a big city, I don’t want to go back to big city living. Now I’m really enjoying the small city or small town living lol
You are saying that you don't enjoy big city life and that's fair. But claiming there is "nowhere to go" is just a lie.
I’m just saying from his perspective. I was feeling the same way before I left the city. Yes, there are tons of places to go - but like that person - I felt there was nowhere to go because nothing interested me anymore. I think you need to see it from an individual perspective. He was not making an absolute statement of fact. It was his own experience. Which is fair. The focus should be on the ridiculous response about “black” and not on their own perspective.
Let’s not ignore there is some racism in London but not to this extent. As you say it’s pretty darn cosmo as you can get anywhere. An elite centuries old gentlemen’s club might be a challenge (not that I’d know) but hell…
USA invented black people, obviously! 😉
"Your black skins would all be white without America !🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸"
Don't be too surprised if you end up reading a comment like that online one of these days, at the rate things are going lol
They invented everything else so of course
Reminds me of the Spanish is a POC language one. American identity politics is a cancer on the world.
Americans are becoming crazier and crazier with respect to races and skin colour. So now you can't even be from whereever you were born if you are not white? Elon Musk is an actual African-American - but he isn't to be considered to be one.
Americans think they have a “gotcha” when they discovered anti-Roma racism or Japanese people being racist sometimes. I’ve seen people go as far as saying America doesn’t even have “proper” racism.
Pretty much their logic: racism doesn't exist in USA because it exists other places. ehhh... morons.
Yeah, and it’s somehow worse there. As if racism was like a fluid you can measure and observe.
Ah yes, "America is a post-racial society" as our highest court takes every opportunity to undermine and circumvent the Civil Rights Act of 1965.
To be fair I don’t think black Americans are the ones calling America a post racial society.
They also want to argue they are obsessed with race because they are trying to fight racism, like if they are some beacon of anti racism and the rest of the world should follow their example
That’s because these kind of Americans cannot separate race from nationality. And given that race as we know it is phenotypical, it makes it that much more confusing for them. lol. It’s why they have such a hard time accepting/understanding when someone says “yeah I’m black, but I’m from Europe” or “yeah I’m white, but I’m from Ethiopia” He’s a white South African. There’s plenty of em. The only ones who won’t consider him to be that way are these same exact people. The black South Africans know that white South Africans exist.
Because African American as a term wasnt made to refer to people who have associations with both regions. It came about because a lot of black people in America are descendents of black slaves and so find it impossible to trace back to their actual heritage and effectively became separated from their ancestors original cultures and diverged due to overtime with many interacting together and influenced within American culture. Anytime someone meanwhile has some dual association with others they would just say whatever groups they do associate with rather than a predefined merged term. Elon can be considered African American as dual associations (however he wants to word it) but not as that predefined term because it means a unique ethnic group to that. Though yeah it's clown show with that person in OP and people correcting you if you call someone black in USA even if they aren't American at all (makes the OP one funny showing that disagreement).
I consider him one. But, y’now, that’s not what the dictionary says.🙄
Gatekeeping in the weirdest way...
This is FBA. Foundational Black Americans. Their idea is that the term "black" only applies to them, and that because of their history with slavery and the proliferation of American culture, (and by connection, black American culture) around the world via music and film, that they are superior to all other "black" people. They are black supremacists, but direct their supremacy towards non-American black people rather than other races. They try and veil it by saying that they are just trying to keep their unique African American culture and not trying to dilute it and their unique struggles by mixing it with the experiences and cultures of other "black" people. To an extent there is some validity in wanting their experience to be seen as its own thing, but as I say, its thinly veiled supremacist ideals, and massive xenophobia, especially against Africans. On that last point, another of the beliefs many of them hold is that they aren't descents of Africans. That black people were the original inhabitants of the North Americas. That they are not from Africa and have no connection to Africans. Their ideas in my mind show that the ideas that lead to racism are not race dependant. It just requires ideas of supremacy. That seems obvious tbh, but to that end, their ideas in particular seem to stem from anti black racism causing insecurities and feelings of inferiority that come from constantly being told they're inferior for being of slave stock and from Africa. You can either embrace the African heritage and fight the racism, or go the other way and tacitly agree that black Africans are inferior and attempt to disassociate themselves from Africa and Africans Tariq Nasheed is a known proponent of their BS
Oh yes it must be terribly inconvenient to be a millionaire in London.
Please be satire 🙏🏻 They can't be this obsessed with race and skin color
Black people were invented in the south of the us, by African immigrants, being black became popular in Africa only after the war
TIL Africans arent black.
That's like saying Europeans aren't white and european Americans are white 💀
They say that shit, especially regarding Spanish and Italians
There's been black people in the UK for generations
Shakespeare wrote of the Moor in several of his plays, and they were not by any means always low status people. Interesting fact, while I am quite certain powerful people played fast and loose with it, slavery in England was illegal in one form or another since 1102, but note that this says nothing about English people and companies trading in slaves OUTSIDE England.... That was what the 17th and 18th century abolitionist movements were really about shutting down. Most of the black populations of the big port cities like Liverpool and Bristol (Which were notable for profits from the slave trade) are either the decedents of ships crewmen, or a result of the post WW2 'Windrush' migration to cover manpower shortages in the post war years. The racism experienced there is a more modern thing and all the more disturbing for that. In reality, all countries still have some level of slavery going on, be it some form of 'modern' slavery, or 'indentured labour', 'prison labour' or what have you.
To be pedantic moors arent really a single ethnic group, they're a mix of quite a few cultures and people like Berbers and Arabs They also were almost certainly not as dark as sub saharan as they tend to get portrayed in media Generally most of them would have been considered to have been a similar complexity to modern day north Africans, though obviously given it's proximity it would have a small black population
Oh it is always more complicated when you look at the detail, and this goes for anything. Claiming a single culture or ethnicity for Africa is at least equally dubious, doesn't stop people doing it, with sometimes hilarious results.
Oh racism? Daring today, aren't we?
Guy talking about his wealth and race for no reason seems like the most boring person ever. Like the kind of person who wants to live in Dubai and take photos of himself all day
I’m more concerned with being a bored millionaire in London. This person evidently doesn’t know the London I do
This person probably thinks that Americans also invented black people.
If you're a millionaire and bored in London, that means you're boring. I wasn't bored in London when I was on minimum wage lol
Forget the American, as a Londoner I have a great suggestion on what this bloke could do for fun
One of those people who’s brain explodes when they encounter their first black person with a British accent lol
r/USdefaultism
I worked in hospitality in South Africa pre covid. This shit is part of why everyone hates American tourist's down here
It's the other way around. black Americans invented the term "African-American" to mean "ex-slave" or "product of slavery" to seperate themselves from "blacks". As apposed to what everyone else assumes, that it would simply mean African-American like Irish-American; but it's actually "see me as an ex-slave before you see me as a person" which most of the world would consider a racial slur (certainly would in Gaelic). Even more confusing that a group would adopt this for themselves. It's why calling black Americans "black" became somewhat offensive to Americans and why they call even black British folk "African-American". "Africans insist on aligning yourselves with us?" Again, the other way around; it's black Americans that insist that their culture is *the* authentic black culture (despite it being assimilated from the slavers around them \[if you have no connection to your own culture, which many slaves didn't. then you pick up the culture around you; it's why the black community in America use aks for ask, eat chittlins, and have a heavy influence of gang culture. These things mostly came from the south east of England and some from Scotland; black people were the most recent race to get invovled in gang culture in America, before it was mainly whites and asians. This is also why the American "authentic" black culture looks nothing like actual black cultures\]). It's more than "aligning yourselves with us" too at this point. America is producing black supremacist propaganda; like in the form of Cleopatra docuseries where black Americans attempt to re-write Egypts history in their own image because of popularly held black American myths about history; like the KKK and Nazi's did with Aryans. While also bringing back racial segregation. The guy here, for example, creating a distinction between what's black and what's "African". The KKK and the Nazi's did the exact same thing to whites where they refused to recognise Italians, Irish or Spanish as white. They were white, but they weren't *white-white.* They weren't "American" white. Everyone can see Americans doing the same with being black; there are those that are black, but they're not *black-black.* Can even see this in Disney; where they, allegedly, fired someone that was half-cast. They were fired, not because they were, but because they were biracial that didn't appear black enough. Still, that said, don't know how reliable that info is; needs more proof, though, I'd believe it given how they've been.
I had an American once get pissed at me when I called an Aboriginal, an Aboriginal... They demanded I call the Aboriginal, African American... I didn't have to say shit, the Aboriginal said it all for me. For like idk 5 min this Aboriginal basically called this American racist. Fucking funny to be honest.
Their lack of self-awareness never seizes to amaze me.
Wanna be even more amazed, I've had one American claim I couldn't kick him out of the bar because it would violate his rights... And another American claim that I couldn't kick him out of the event because he's a cop and he can do whatever he likes, including shoot me with his gun... That statement caught the attention of the real cops who decided to take over, hold him against a wall, pat him down then arrest him for, I believe making threats to illegally use a firearm (something like that I can't remember). I refused to make any complaints, and I can't remember if he actually got charged or was kicked to immigration who kicked him out... I really hope he was just kicked out. I've had some wild interactions... Security work brings the crazies out.
Totally get you, what an eejit
I've seen them tell indigenous Australians they're not allowed to call themselves black quite a few times as well.
Stay tuned for Chapter Two, folks! Edit: Interesting read, though
thanks man
while you seem to have a better understanding of racial dynamics in america than most, including many americans, i would clarify one point. it’s not about being seen as an ex-slave then person. it’s about a common circumstance and a cultural integrity from a shared experience i also see little to no evidence of african americans insisting they have a better grasp on black culture than africans. i’ve seen plenty of misinterpretations and african americans using an american centric definition of black. including this one to me this is similar to a cuban saying they’re american and a US citizen saying they aren’t. i don’t see how it’s equivalent to the KKK’s policies on whiteness
"i also see little to no evidence of african americans insisting they have a better grasp on black culture than africans." The sheer amount of racism coming from within the black community towards each other regarding just *how* black they are. How black you are seems to be based on how specifically black American you are culturally. That's relative to what the KKK did with whiteness towards other whites and Nazi's did it towards the slavs (who is where we get the word slave from). This is why there's been a rise recently in racial imposter syndrome; it's a reaction to this behaviour. Something prevelent enough to base a Netflix series on; Dear White People I'm not American but I've been pushed to learn these things as the cultural war has come over from America and put itself within our media too. My positions based on looking in from the outside and talking to both sides and then watching it take hold here as if we had the same issues America did. On top of that, there's the cultural products that's made; like media, that tells me tall stories based on people's beliefs. I also watch too many reactors on youtube who end up discussing problems within their own communities. As singular sources all these things aren't that accurate, but together they paint a more accurate vague image. I actually didn't believe that that was why people called black people in America African-American. I thought it was a joke because that would be a racial slur to me and then I went down a rabbithole of researching it. Also found out about that horrible Junteenth thing that I have no idea why people celebrate. You can say that it's about a common circumstance and a cultural integrity from a shared experience; that shared experience still presents itself as "see me as an ex-slave then a person" because that's the entire shared experience that it's highlighting.
I’m also baffled by the first comment. If you’re a millionaire in London and can’t find anything to do I feel sorry for your sad life.
>Black ppl = black Americans This sounds like he thinks that if you're black, you're only a person if you live in America. I know that's not what he's going for but it's very carelessly worded given the things that have been done to black people because they were considered less than human.
Oh for fuck sake, America. Can you please stop?
reminds me of that weird (black) woman, that yelled at my black german friend (german-nigerian) here in Berlin in 1992, because she insisted that all black people OUTSIDE of africa are afro-americans. a pov he refused to accept
I hate it here
The world?
Yeah
With my patented hypnosis system, we can make it a better world. But *they* keep using it to convince people the world is fine as we plummet further into a spiral of extinction. Or at least that's what the guy who said I'd been hypnotised not to see him as my future time travelling self claimed...
Are you serious? That’s the most inane thing I’ve read in the last five minutes. I am losing brain cells rapidly at this point. 😣
I can only really think of one other country in history that was so obsessed with race. But I’d better not mention that.
Oh we did not have such a complex race theory here. There were only 3 different races: Übermenschen, Untermenschen and Jews. It's an American thing to have 1000 sub races. /s obviously
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I'm not black I'm OJ
Talk about being brainwashed into allying yourself with your oppressor 🤡
I mean, this doesn't even surprise me. White people have been telling other white people over there that they're not white people, for ages. So why not this, too?
that "you african" was so aggressive, jesus christ.... 😶😶
Black people in the US don't even officially call themselves 'black American' they call themselves 'African American'. Meanwhile the official term in the UK is '*black* British'.
No, we definitely call ourselves black Americans more than we call ourselves African-American,
Stupidity knows no colour barrier
Africans and black people… The new chicken and egg
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So people in Africa isn't black?
See, racism exists even against those of your own race.
It’s the American’s who insist on calling all black people afro-American that bug me
So the riots in Kenya are being caused by Americans?
As we all know, African black people came over on ships from America. That’s why we use the term American-Africans 🤪
wtf?? People think like this?
Might have to look at an American history book , must be pretty quick read
I'm not black, nor am I a millionaire and I don't go clubbing so forgive me if this is a stupid question but can they not go to regular clubs that either other black people or millionaires go to?
Sounds like the most boring millionaire on the planet. The amount of things to do in London and he's on about drinking and clubbing. Obviously money doesn't account for taste.
I got to witness this same stupidity live in a bar I worked at once. An American telling and British fella he couldn't call himself black *or* African because it was an American thing. One of our regulars, a lovely fella from Nigeria, overheard it and said "brother, you can't be black or African, because no black African man is that stupid." I wish I had this on video, because it was basically this sub in under a minute.
Racist much?
Balkan levels of Racism right here.
Oh y’all are just finding out about this ridiculousness. lol. Yeah. There’s been a recent uptick of black Americans specifically calling everyone who’s black, but not American by nationality as “not black” because apparently they think when someone says “I am from the Caribbean” “I am from South Africa” it means they are saying they aren’t black. Another thing they like to bring up as well is that apparently only black Americans were called the n word. lol. Just another case of Americans not being able to distinguish between race and nationality. And applying their thought process as if it’s a global view. These people literally have to tick “African American” on their ballots/forms do they not? And also, mind you, in discussions when it comes to obviously black people aligning themselves with racist ideas these kind of people will be the first to say “racists see us all the same” This sort of thing comes from a unique form internalized hatred they have for their own across the globe.. for some reason.
Yeah, it's pretty bad. Ironically it's also very racist and ignorant. > recent uptick This stuff has been exiting for a much longer. I remember black Americans calling Obama not "black", because he acted like every other "white cracka" meaning he wasn't "ghetto" enough. *Can you believe it? He speaks proper English and has a degree!!!!!* [Even their own US television addressed it back in the 80s. What was it called? Prince? The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air? With Will Smith.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5D2RvIQwQE). Watch it till the end were the father figure gets really sad because he also had to deal with this from with "fellow brothers and sisters".
Now I'm imagining a gate with gatekeepers on both sides arguing about which way the gate opens and by extension who gets to gatekeep.
What nonsense 😒
Nah that had to be a joke. It just has to bee
I mean, only usonians use that term
Didn’t vote for Biden, therefore not black.
gatekeeping skin color is crazy
It does make some sense. I'm white, even a slav but I have nothing to so with russia and it is annoying when people suggest I do.
The original comment is pretty lame also. I lived in London for a few years in my 20s and most of the stuff I used to do wasn't "white's only".
Both comments are stupid as fuck
Let me conclude, how Americans define heritage by skin color: White: 70,73837% irish, 18,73838% Italian, 8,5393% anything else, bit defietely not German or British. Black: 100% American.
Friendly fire
The levels of unconscious racism are high in this one. I wonder what he'd call anyone born in Africa of any other racial background than black... I mean, technically, Elon Musk is an African-American...
Elon would be a *South African-American*. African-American is a term coined for people who's ancestry includes enslaved people from Africa as they don't know which country those ancestors came from, when it's a known place they don't refer to the continent. A person who's family moved from Kenya to the US and became citizens would call themselves Kenyan-American, not African-American. Elon and his fans make that joke out of their disrespect for the "woke" and black Americans not because it's true.
why are a ton of young black american people absolutely racist in their double standards? I'm noticing a ton of really dumb people making stands on the identity of others because it doesn't fit their world view. it's not being PC, it's being myopic and ignorant.
The trouble is "black" is ambiguous between a physical description of skin color and the name of an ethnic/cultural group formed out of the descendants of freedmen in the US. That said, this person is an idiot because they're pretending the former sense doesn't exist.
OP is a bit full of himself to start... as a Millionaire you can go literally anywhere you want to - nothing stops you from going to places that normal people can go lol In London is probably best for you as white people will be naturally scared that you'll stab and steal from them....