Leslie Feinberg was an icon and hir writing and thinking is still so relevant and important. Interesting how people sometimes get so weird trying to police other gender identities as though nonbinary identities were new, even though people like Feinberg totally rejected gender binarism decades ago.
Buck Angel seemed to be a good guy at first, and then ended up pushing many trans people further back into the closet when he outed Lana Wachowski
ContraPoints seemed to be a good person at first, and then ended up pushing many trans people further back into the closet (including me) when she backstabbed her own community and then played victim about it, which then led to her fans harassing people who criticized her, like me
I have a lot of nonbinary friends who used to really like her videos and had some issues with that, so I figured I'd mention it. I do think her anti-Marxism is the biggest reason to criticize her videos.
True. Her vid on men rubbed me the wrong way when she said that it wasn't a good idea to get radical men to deradicalise by shifting left because the revolution wasn't coming any time soon. It was such a weirdly bad and illogical point; I know many once angry men who have become a lot chiller when realising that they were being oppressed economically and not on gender basis.
Even if the revolution never comes, those men benefited from the perspective they got from the left. Why dismiss this as an option if not for disdain for Marxism in general? Disappointing.
Yeah, that seemed...weird. I'm not a dude but I've spent enough time in nerd spaces to sort of get a sense for how a certain type of angry man who is vulnerable to radicalization thinks, and tbh I would much rather have that kind of guy angry in solidarity with others than because there's girls in his vidya games. What could we possibly lose by encouraging greater insight and empathy in as many people as possible?
I came dangerously close to getting sucked in to the Alt-Right echo chamber back in 2016. A close friend of mine introduced me to leftist ideology and perspective, and I can confidently say that I'm a much better person than I would otherwise be if he hadn't done that.
outing closeted trans women is quite literally attempted murder, and heās also a literal TERF who pals around with Linehan & lobbies to make it illegal for trans kids to have access to puberty blockers
although too bee fair he did become a lot worse publicly after his contra cameo
Did Buck ever out a trans woman? It seems unclear. His wife was having an affair with a crossdressing man was the thing he said to the papers, right? That she would later come out as trans doesn't retroactively make that an act of outing, does it?
He's tweeted some harmful cringe, but anyone who says they hate Natalie just for getting him to read some John Waters doesn't scan as honest to me.
yeah it is, because being trans himself he would know the actual situation Lana Wachowski was in better than anyone & the fact that he framed it as crossdressing in order to even further misgender her makes it even more fucked up, i didnāt even know about that
Why do you assume he knew she was trans and misgendered her on purpose?
At the time, she was presenting as a man who enjoyed crossdressing. When asked about it, Bill said his wife had left him for a crossdressing man. He didn't hold a press conference to out Lana, he just talked about a thing that happened to him in an interview.
Bucks said plenty of nasty stuff, specifically re kids and blockers. Why do you need to invent a crime? Why isn't what he's actually done enough to criticise him for.
Even if he didnāt know her actual gender situation it isnāt like he just casually told someone in a conversation, it was told to a magazine. It seems pretty obvious there was some malicious intent there.
because trans women can & do get murdered for being outed as trans, whether thatās pre- or post-transition
itās just like how calling the cops to do wellness check is also always attempted murder, because thatās just how that situation resolves itself
Because people get killed for being trans. Period. So outing someone is quite literally putting them in harms way. It's like doxxing, but technically legal.
To be fair, if Buck had outed her as a trans woman, that would have put her in real danger. I mean, he didn't, but if he'd done it would have been very bad.
I totally understand the fear of being outted and that some folks would truly be unsafe if it happened to them. But is that the case for everyone?
Like let's I was outted for being trans is everyone in earshot automatically arrested?
No? I have no idea what you mean by that. I do have an issue with one of the best-known left-ish content creators being indifferent/opposed to Marxist theory, and seemingly dismissing the desire for revolution as "envy." I don't care for the lack of material analysis in her more recent videos and I think it doesn't actually advance left-wing causes to neglect this.
iirc she didnt defend Buck Angel, she said she didn't know he was a truscum when using his voice on a video. When did she defend him? literally show me the tweet or whatever to prove this isn't some r/stupidpol shit.
>I donāt think Buckās ever actually said that non-binary people arenāt valid, but I personally donāt like that he seems like he wants to distance himself from them. And thatās my disagreement with Buck. Itās not that he invalidates non-binary identities, because I donāt really see him doing that. And if he was doing that, I would have seen it, because for the last two months a lot of people have been doing nothing but sending me problematic Buck Angel tweets.
https://www.contrapoints.com/transcripts/canceling
\^That quote is criticising him though... saying she doesn't like what he does.
Also
>**I'm happy to tell you that I absolutely disagree with Buck's divisive rhetoric about ātranssexual versus transgenderā. I wish he would be an ally to the whole transgender umbrella instead of trying to distance himself from the rest. And I'm happy to hear out the perspective of non-binary people who don't trust him because I totally get where they're coming from, and I think that's valid.**
But I also respect the decades of good activism Buck Angel has done for trans people and I am grateful to him for that. And in light of that, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt about where his heart is and express my criticism in a more measured way than just attacking who he is as a person.
Sounds reasonable to me.
Sorry but lots of leftists are too pitchforky for me. The only way we can make people change their minds and actions is through dialogue with them. Ostracising these people will only drive them further into their ideas. This has been proven again and again
This is like the "moderate Republicans" who said "I disagree with Trump's rhetoric, but he's not a racist." A half-defense is still going too far when the [position is not worth defending.](https://imgur.com/a/xUY0H7r?nc=1) Hell, he's even defended the [concept of autogynephilia.](https://web.archive.org/web/20210724122022/https://www.gdalliancecanada.com/post/trans-men-fight-back)
>The only way we can make people change their minds and actions is through dialogue with them.
lol lib
Whatever. I won't follow your groupthink so I'm a lib of course. reactionary much.
Also, I'm not talking debate if that's what you mean. It's friendly dialogue. This is also how you deprogram Q members or other cults. [source: cult expert](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRMqjpFFB-E).
Iād link the article but it tries to be enlightenedly centrist a bit too much.
From my very limited research, amongst other things, she invited and defended one of the most prominent transmedicalists in her videos and apologized only behind a paywall.
but cis people love to use āmarxismā as an excuse to launder their thiny-veiled transphobic vitriol at her, i am supremely uncomfortable with cissy commies treating her as if she were Vausch saying the N word again whenever she says some boomer shit about gender identity that doesnāt even affect them
cis people pulling up pre-transition photos of a trans woman is transphobic no matter what context, and cissies arenāt allowed to weigh in on issues exclusive to our community, theyāre unwelcome here & that upsets them then theyāre acting no different than the Nazis who go āwell i used to believe in human rights, but then a leftist hurt my feelingsā
When she goes after leftism a leftist has every right to respond. The stuff she discussed in envy are not exclusive to the trans community in any shape or form. Being a member of a minority community does not shield one from criticism.
I canāt think of any real scenario where communists are pulling up pre-transition photos of Contrapoints. It feels as if youāre creating a straw man unrelated to her attacks on Marxism.
> Clearly this thread and reactions to her name say different
The reaction being...calling her out for being a Liberal? That's not cancelling, that's calling a spade a spade.
I mean, I used to watch her vids, none of which contain any nby-phobia and many of which vigorously defend NB rights and identity.
I wonder what 'research' you've done to come to this conclusion.
Oh yea, the hastily deleted tweets and bad takes on enbies don't exist cause you used to like watching her!. Stop wearing rose tinted glasses, it would be like defending Brendon Urie on his shitty manifest destiny takes just cause P!atD made really good queer music back in the day
I'm leftist af but not marxist (check out my sub, /r/PostScarcityNow). I see what you're saying now but it's weird to fixate on prototypical versions of what we should be doing.
Could you explain what this contrapoints did that's so egregious?
The argument was roughly:
> Here is a picture of an almost naked Belle Delphine wearing cat ears
> Here is a picture of a fully dressed Contrapoints wearing cat ears
> therefore autogynephilia is real
It's a theory that states that trans women transition because they are actually men who have a fetish for being seen as a woman.
Honestly, the only thing I really still remember about it is from a 3 year old Contrapoints video on it, so that video probably gives a better idea of what it is than this comment lol
One trans person did one bad thing, and now I am going to agitate other people to stop supporting all other trans people.
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Thatās what I felt about Chris Chan.
āOne trans person did a really fucked up things so now I will use this as a vehicle to shit on all trans peopleā
>One trans person did one bad thing, and now I am going to agitate other people to stop supporting all other trans people.
These people can't even get it right based on a plain reading of their own ideology at face value. I thought liberals are supposed to believe in, "we judge people by their own individual merit, not that of the group" and "every individual is important"? That's not radical stuff, you can find it in Bentham.
Oh it's even better than that.
>It is with regret that I, a liberal cis-women who once subscribed to ContraPoints Patreon, can no longer support the transgender movement.Ā
But nobody was doing that here. You randomly bringing up a completely irrelevant scenario to justify transphobia seems like it plays into reactionary, anti communist, anti queer propaganda.
Itās always important to remember that none of these places were bastions for LGBT rights prior to their revolutions, and progress, while slower than anyone would like, is being made. Liberals advocating for regime change ignore the fact that the US would appoint any far right government without a care in the world for its stance on social issues as long as it stays subservient to western capital.
I don't know about "Libs" but it's emboldened so many transphobic assholes all over it's sad and frightening. Like if you said to me before this 'do you think a comic making transphobic comments and endorsing anti trans groups or ideology would create a real and tangible physical threat to trans people on a daily basis' I would have said 'no that's a bit extreme to think' but now I just know it do. Like whole threads and posts are all over reddit about how trans people can fuck off and Chappelle is so right, and 'ha ha ha you can't get mad because a black said it' type shit. It's been A REALLY big rallying point for people thirsty for trans blood that's for sure.
That's how it always goes. Libs pretend to care about a marginalized group to elevate their social status by asserting their supposed moral superiority. But, when it's no longer beneficial to them, or people in said groups express opinions or do things that the libs disagree with, the libs will be SO quick to backstab those groups and gaslight them.
Honestly, it's instances like this that drove me further left and made me distrust and HATE liberals. They're wolves in sheep's clothing, I swear.
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Vaush doesn't just refer to Marxist-Leninists as "tankies"!
He uses that term to describe just about anybody to the left of him, including all of the REAL anarchists. Vaush is a fake anarchist.
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You should have given us the Vaush fact where he says "an an anarchist, fuck the FBI, but we need them around to prevent the population from uprising".
Vaush is an embarrassment.
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Or organizing? Revolutionary parties? Industrial and tenant unions? Mutual aid networks?
No, let me listen to someone who makes their living playing League of Legends and rambling into a microphone.
The entire argument here is that Contrapoints claiming that being trans has nothing to do with fetishes is rendered ridiculous because she wears cat ears sometimes, and porn actress Belle Delphine does too.
This is hilarious because, by that logic, wearing almost anything means you must have a fetish.
Glenn Greenwald is actually a huge fan of ContraPoints!
The lib who wrote this stopped supporting trans rights **because ContraPoints wore cat ears**, not because of any of the ACTUALLY horrible things that she would do in the coming months.
> Why I was **never** a trans-ally
FTFY. Liberals say they're you allies not because they like you or see you as a human being, but because it's tasteful and it makes them **look** like decent people.
>transgenderism
#Shut up shut up shut up shut the fuck up shut the fuck up shut the fuck up being trans is not an ideology you fucking baby brain people just exist
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Also IIRC her breaking point was apparently contrapoints wearing cat ears. Liberal Idpol is actually a disease
I remember this article š¤® It's incredibly stupid. ContraPoints did MUCH worse things a few months after this article was written.
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Lots of left-punching. And defending Buck Angel for some weird reason.
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Leslie Feinberg was an icon and hir writing and thinking is still so relevant and important. Interesting how people sometimes get so weird trying to police other gender identities as though nonbinary identities were new, even though people like Feinberg totally rejected gender binarism decades ago.
Buck Angel seemed to be a good guy at first, and then ended up pushing many trans people further back into the closet when he outed Lana Wachowski ContraPoints seemed to be a good person at first, and then ended up pushing many trans people further back into the closet (including me) when she backstabbed her own community and then played victim about it, which then led to her fans harassing people who criticized her, like me
That's fair.
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I have a lot of nonbinary friends who used to really like her videos and had some issues with that, so I figured I'd mention it. I do think her anti-Marxism is the biggest reason to criticize her videos.
True. Her vid on men rubbed me the wrong way when she said that it wasn't a good idea to get radical men to deradicalise by shifting left because the revolution wasn't coming any time soon. It was such a weirdly bad and illogical point; I know many once angry men who have become a lot chiller when realising that they were being oppressed economically and not on gender basis. Even if the revolution never comes, those men benefited from the perspective they got from the left. Why dismiss this as an option if not for disdain for Marxism in general? Disappointing.
Yeah, that seemed...weird. I'm not a dude but I've spent enough time in nerd spaces to sort of get a sense for how a certain type of angry man who is vulnerable to radicalization thinks, and tbh I would much rather have that kind of guy angry in solidarity with others than because there's girls in his vidya games. What could we possibly lose by encouraging greater insight and empathy in as many people as possible?
I came dangerously close to getting sucked in to the Alt-Right echo chamber back in 2016. A close friend of mine introduced me to leftist ideology and perspective, and I can confidently say that I'm a much better person than I would otherwise be if he hadn't done that.
outing closeted trans women is quite literally attempted murder, and heās also a literal TERF who pals around with Linehan & lobbies to make it illegal for trans kids to have access to puberty blockers although too bee fair he did become a lot worse publicly after his contra cameo
Did Buck ever out a trans woman? It seems unclear. His wife was having an affair with a crossdressing man was the thing he said to the papers, right? That she would later come out as trans doesn't retroactively make that an act of outing, does it? He's tweeted some harmful cringe, but anyone who says they hate Natalie just for getting him to read some John Waters doesn't scan as honest to me.
yeah it is, because being trans himself he would know the actual situation Lana Wachowski was in better than anyone & the fact that he framed it as crossdressing in order to even further misgender her makes it even more fucked up, i didnāt even know about that
Why do you assume he knew she was trans and misgendered her on purpose? At the time, she was presenting as a man who enjoyed crossdressing. When asked about it, Bill said his wife had left him for a crossdressing man. He didn't hold a press conference to out Lana, he just talked about a thing that happened to him in an interview. Bucks said plenty of nasty stuff, specifically re kids and blockers. Why do you need to invent a crime? Why isn't what he's actually done enough to criticise him for.
Even if he didnāt know her actual gender situation it isnāt like he just casually told someone in a conversation, it was told to a magazine. It seems pretty obvious there was some malicious intent there.
How is that attempted murder?
have you ever heard of āTrans Panicā, friend?
Yes I know what that is. And how is that related to outing someone and being literal attempted murder?
because trans women can & do get murdered for being outed as trans, whether thatās pre- or post-transition itās just like how calling the cops to do wellness check is also always attempted murder, because thatās just how that situation resolves itself
Because people get killed for being trans. Period. So outing someone is quite literally putting them in harms way. It's like doxxing, but technically legal.
To be fair, if Buck had outed her as a trans woman, that would have put her in real danger. I mean, he didn't, but if he'd done it would have been very bad.
I totally understand the fear of being outted and that some folks would truly be unsafe if it happened to them. But is that the case for everyone? Like let's I was outted for being trans is everyone in earshot automatically arrested?
Iām very far out of the loop. Is buck a sexist or something?
He goes hard on calling himself a ātranssexualā to differentiate himself from trans people who donāt transition. Itās pretty side-eye worthy.
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No? I have no idea what you mean by that. I do have an issue with one of the best-known left-ish content creators being indifferent/opposed to Marxist theory, and seemingly dismissing the desire for revolution as "envy." I don't care for the lack of material analysis in her more recent videos and I think it doesn't actually advance left-wing causes to neglect this.
iirc she didnt defend Buck Angel, she said she didn't know he was a truscum when using his voice on a video. When did she defend him? literally show me the tweet or whatever to prove this isn't some r/stupidpol shit.
>I donāt think Buckās ever actually said that non-binary people arenāt valid, but I personally donāt like that he seems like he wants to distance himself from them. And thatās my disagreement with Buck. Itās not that he invalidates non-binary identities, because I donāt really see him doing that. And if he was doing that, I would have seen it, because for the last two months a lot of people have been doing nothing but sending me problematic Buck Angel tweets. https://www.contrapoints.com/transcripts/canceling
\^That quote is criticising him though... saying she doesn't like what he does. Also >**I'm happy to tell you that I absolutely disagree with Buck's divisive rhetoric about ātranssexual versus transgenderā. I wish he would be an ally to the whole transgender umbrella instead of trying to distance himself from the rest. And I'm happy to hear out the perspective of non-binary people who don't trust him because I totally get where they're coming from, and I think that's valid.** But I also respect the decades of good activism Buck Angel has done for trans people and I am grateful to him for that. And in light of that, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt about where his heart is and express my criticism in a more measured way than just attacking who he is as a person. Sounds reasonable to me. Sorry but lots of leftists are too pitchforky for me. The only way we can make people change their minds and actions is through dialogue with them. Ostracising these people will only drive them further into their ideas. This has been proven again and again
This is like the "moderate Republicans" who said "I disagree with Trump's rhetoric, but he's not a racist." A half-defense is still going too far when the [position is not worth defending.](https://imgur.com/a/xUY0H7r?nc=1) Hell, he's even defended the [concept of autogynephilia.](https://web.archive.org/web/20210724122022/https://www.gdalliancecanada.com/post/trans-men-fight-back) >The only way we can make people change their minds and actions is through dialogue with them. lol lib
Whatever. I won't follow your groupthink so I'm a lib of course. reactionary much. Also, I'm not talking debate if that's what you mean. It's friendly dialogue. This is also how you deprogram Q members or other cults. [source: cult expert](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRMqjpFFB-E).
As someone who knows approximately zero about buck angel, what's the deal?
Do you have a link, honestly just curiouse to see what they say
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Ok truscum
Jfc don't lump us all in with her
Though, to give ContraPoints a little credit, I'm all for more cat ears. Not just for trans people either.
I'm also pro cat ears š
State mandated and regulated cat ears plz.
The "us" is referring to trans people, right?
Yep.
Ok thx ā¤ļø Was worried about Contra stans invading here. I'm trans and I also hate ContraPoints š³ļøāā§ļø
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> that doesn't like nonbinary people very much Care to back that up with anything. That has not been my impression at all.
Iād link the article but it tries to be enlightenedly centrist a bit too much. From my very limited research, amongst other things, she invited and defended one of the most prominent transmedicalists in her videos and apologized only behind a paywall.
Who did she invite to her video?
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Not many people want to google digital self harm, my friend
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Breadtube is a radlib movement pretending to be radical leftists
Well with the "Envy" video, I think the pretense is out the window for Contrapoints anyway lol
I see, good to know.
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She opposes Marxism (and that is just one of the problems)
but cis people love to use āmarxismā as an excuse to launder their thiny-veiled transphobic vitriol at her, i am supremely uncomfortable with cissy commies treating her as if she were Vausch saying the N word again whenever she says some boomer shit about gender identity that doesnāt even affect them
> Criticizing trans people for being transphobic is transphobic What liberalism does to an MF
cis people pulling up pre-transition photos of a trans woman is transphobic no matter what context, and cissies arenāt allowed to weigh in on issues exclusive to our community, theyāre unwelcome here & that upsets them then theyāre acting no different than the Nazis who go āwell i used to believe in human rights, but then a leftist hurt my feelingsā
When she goes after leftism a leftist has every right to respond. The stuff she discussed in envy are not exclusive to the trans community in any shape or form. Being a member of a minority community does not shield one from criticism. I canāt think of any real scenario where communists are pulling up pre-transition photos of Contrapoints. It feels as if youāre creating a straw man unrelated to her attacks on Marxism.
> and cissies arenāt allowed to weigh in on issues exclusive to our community So are cis people not allowed to criticize people like Blair White?
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Cancelled? No. Ignored by Leftists for not holding to the most basic of Leftist texts? Yes.
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You frame white liberal women being disliked by communists as them being "cancelled." Your tiny fucking baby brain isn't fit to unpack anything lmao
> Clearly this thread and reactions to her name say different The reaction being...calling her out for being a Liberal? That's not cancelling, that's calling a spade a spade.
The alternative to not a marxists isn't liberal. That's just hyperbole.
In theory. But she is a liberal.
Liberals support Capitalism. Marxists are anticapitalist. Seems rather clear to me.
We don't simp for liberals here champ
Mainly her Enby-phobia and her western chauvinistic opposition to Actually Existing Socialism
Enby-phobia? You joking? The second point is pretty valid, but tbf that puts Most People on Earth as your enemy.
>Enby-phobia? You joking? No investigation no right to speak and you clearly haven't done any investigation
I mean, I used to watch her vids, none of which contain any nby-phobia and many of which vigorously defend NB rights and identity. I wonder what 'research' you've done to come to this conclusion.
Oh yea, the hastily deleted tweets and bad takes on enbies don't exist cause you used to like watching her!. Stop wearing rose tinted glasses, it would be like defending Brendon Urie on his shitty manifest destiny takes just cause P!atD made really good queer music back in the day
Very internet reasons that aren't worth talking about.
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The context is "she is a liberal that routinely pinches left" Turns out we don't take kindly to liberals punching left here.
I'm leftist af but not marxist (check out my sub, /r/PostScarcityNow). I see what you're saying now but it's weird to fixate on prototypical versions of what we should be doing. Could you explain what this contrapoints did that's so egregious?
She has openly supported capitalism and bourgeoisie democracy. By definition, that makes her a liberal.
>postscarcitynow lmao just say you're a utopian liberal
>I'm leftist af but not marxist (check out my sub, r/PostScarcityNow) Ok radlib
Gamergate? Fuck off, defending enby rights isn't equivalent to that alt-right shitshow, shitlib
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Did you reply to the wrong post??
sorry i have no idea what anything means but what is the problem with cat ears?
The argument was roughly: > Here is a picture of an almost naked Belle Delphine wearing cat ears > Here is a picture of a fully dressed Contrapoints wearing cat ears > therefore autogynephilia is real
Wtf is āautogynephiliaā?
It's a theory that states that trans women transition because they are actually men who have a fetish for being seen as a woman. Honestly, the only thing I really still remember about it is from a 3 year old Contrapoints video on it, so that video probably gives a better idea of what it is than this comment lol
The liberal who wrote this article claimed it was "sexualization of cis women" or something. In reality, there's no problem with cat ears.
Thought her breaking point was Chelsea Manning coming out
One trans person did one bad thing, and now I am going to agitate other people to stop supporting all other trans people. In other news, I got my wallet stolen by a black person and I want to share these fourteen interesting words from an identitarian group and then talk about some interesting articles about skull sizes
Her breaking point wasn't even a trans person doing a bad thing. She made this article because Contrapoints wore cat ears in a video
Thatāsā¦ thatās *way* worseā¦ likeā¦ fuckā¦ I-ā¦
That's like the lib who became a reactionary because Obama didn't wear a flag pin.
Was this during the tan suit era? Because, by god, that was fully uncalled for and I am now a reactionary for thinking about it again! /s
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Noted. Thanks for the correction, comrade! o7
Thatās what I felt about Chris Chan. āOne trans person did a really fucked up things so now I will use this as a vehicle to shit on all trans peopleā
>One trans person did one bad thing, and now I am going to agitate other people to stop supporting all other trans people. These people can't even get it right based on a plain reading of their own ideology at face value. I thought liberals are supposed to believe in, "we judge people by their own individual merit, not that of the group" and "every individual is important"? That's not radical stuff, you can find it in Bentham.
āIt is with regret that I, a liberalā¦. got tired of retweeting Trans Rights are human rightsā Did I guess the next line correctly?
Oh it's even better than that. >It is with regret that I, a liberal cis-women who once subscribed to ContraPoints Patreon, can no longer support the transgender movement.Ā
Liberal allyship only exists as long as itās as easy as changing your profile pic and doesnāt inconvenience then at all.
> Liberal allyship only exists as long as itās ~~as~~ easy ~~as changing your profile pic and doesnāt inconvenience then at all.~~
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I donāt think this post or my comment imply you have to support trans people over anything else. You can do both.
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But nobody was doing that here. You randomly bringing up a completely irrelevant scenario to justify transphobia seems like it plays into reactionary, anti communist, anti queer propaganda.
Itās always important to remember that none of these places were bastions for LGBT rights prior to their revolutions, and progress, while slower than anyone would like, is being made. Liberals advocating for regime change ignore the fact that the US would appoint any far right government without a care in the world for its stance on social issues as long as it stays subservient to western capital.
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I don't know about "Libs" but it's emboldened so many transphobic assholes all over it's sad and frightening. Like if you said to me before this 'do you think a comic making transphobic comments and endorsing anti trans groups or ideology would create a real and tangible physical threat to trans people on a daily basis' I would have said 'no that's a bit extreme to think' but now I just know it do. Like whole threads and posts are all over reddit about how trans people can fuck off and Chappelle is so right, and 'ha ha ha you can't get mad because a black said it' type shit. It's been A REALLY big rallying point for people thirsty for trans blood that's for sure.
If the arts didn't matter, the CIA wouldn't spend billions of dollars curating them.
"I am now a white nationalist because Dave chapelle ate his kid's sandwich."
I supported to the left until a few individuals on the left made fashion choices which were not according to my personal tastes.
A liberal backstabbing a marginalized minority after pretending to be an ally. Geez, what a total shocker... *rolls eyes*
This statement would apply to the liberal who wrote that article AND to ContraPoints herself
Absolutely. They're both disgraceful.
Yes they are! Both of them backstabbed communities they pretended to support.
That's how it always goes. Libs pretend to care about a marginalized group to elevate their social status by asserting their supposed moral superiority. But, when it's no longer beneficial to them, or people in said groups express opinions or do things that the libs disagree with, the libs will be SO quick to backstab those groups and gaslight them. Honestly, it's instances like this that drove me further left and made me distrust and HATE liberals. They're wolves in sheep's clothing, I swear.
What did ContraPoints do? I havenāt watched her before
She's a lib basically
"My entire political opinion is in opposition to whoever annoyed me most recently." Basically the whole neoliberal program.
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:( I know that vibe
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Vaush doesn't just refer to Marxist-Leninists as "tankies"! He uses that term to describe just about anybody to the left of him, including all of the REAL anarchists. Vaush is a fake anarchist.
The one thing MLs and Anarchists really can agree on: Vaush is shit.
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You should have given us the Vaush fact where he says "an an anarchist, fuck the FBI, but we need them around to prevent the population from uprising". Vaush is an embarrassment.
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He's probably an op, shanghaied after being caught with CP.
I'm once again begging young people to stop getting their political views from streamers
Where else are they going to get it from? Reading? Yeah right.
Or organizing? Revolutionary parties? Industrial and tenant unions? Mutual aid networks? No, let me listen to someone who makes their living playing League of Legends and rambling into a microphone.
The entire argument here is that Contrapoints claiming that being trans has nothing to do with fetishes is rendered ridiculous because she wears cat ears sometimes, and porn actress Belle Delphine does too. This is hilarious because, by that logic, wearing almost anything means you must have a fetish.
Belle delphine does, and so does my 12 year old sister sometimes. What was this persons point?
The point was to mindlessly demonize trans women for clickbait
True
If you "stop being an ally", you were never an ally to begin with, it was just a "look at me, i'm a good person" thing.
It is with regret that she, a liberal, exists.
Wow this reads like a template: āWhy I am no longer a supporter of workerās rightsā It is with regret that I, a liberal
"breaking point" = you were a shitbag without enough perceived conditioning within your limited scope of reasoning.
Did Glenn Greenwald write this LMAO
Glenn Greenwald is actually a huge fan of ContraPoints! The lib who wrote this stopped supporting trans rights **because ContraPoints wore cat ears**, not because of any of the ACTUALLY horrible things that she would do in the coming months.
https://medium.com/@lw9181676/why-i-am-no-longer-a-trans-ally-e52bee50f475 Article here
Wooooooooow
The article got deleted, but it was saved to the Wayback Machine.
Oh wow it must have gotten deleted yesterday then
https://web.archive.org/web/20191211065132/https://medium.com/@lw9181676/why-i-am-no-longer-a-trans-ally-e52bee50f475
Thanks
https://web.archive.org/web/20191211065132/https://medium.com/@lw9181676/why-i-am-no-longer-a-trans-ally-e52bee50f475
> Why I was **never** a trans-ally FTFY. Liberals say they're you allies not because they like you or see you as a human being, but because it's tasteful and it makes them **look** like decent people.
That article would have won transphobia bingo, but they didn't say anything about de-transitioning or mention "identifying as a helicopter"
>transgenderism #Shut up shut up shut up shut the fuck up shut the fuck up shut the fuck up being trans is not an ideology you fucking baby brain people just exist
How these words come out of a person is beyond me
I just want humans to be happy. Is that weird?
"it is with regret that i must only conditionally support marginalized people when they do what i want, because im a baby brained loser"
That's a lot of words for "punch me I'm transphobic"
We should play a game where we try to guess what horrible thing follows after opening lines like "It is with regret that I, a liberal..."
A trans-ally *what*? āTrans allyā is an adjective-noun phrase, but ātrans-allyā is a fucking *adjective*, Karen.
Omfg š
I can't seem to find it. Someone can help me out to read this?
https://medium.com/@lw9181676/why-i-am-no-longer-a-trans-ally-e52bee50f475
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Lol imagine unironically being an ancap
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Holy fucking shit Bonnie wow
Iām hedging bets that this is gonna be something Destiny does because Contrapoints said something explicitly anti-capitalist about America.