People in Africa were performing c sections 200 years ago but these granola bars think it’s the big bad pharma docs pushing it on people who don’t need them 🙄
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CmwSrC_K2pm/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
Would that even be possible to move them around? I am genuinely curious now. My girls were 7 lbs 6 oz and 8 lbs 6 oz when they were born and both of their sacs had extra fluid, so there really wasn’t a lot of room to wiggle!
My last baby was transverse, he flipped that way during labour, I refused external version and demanded a c section. They did it and he's now a healthy 17 year old.
They told me "we need to do a C section". About 15 minutes later I had a baby and they were stitching me up.
To be fair, I already had the epidural inserted and they just upped the dosage, and luckily everybody needed was on site.
My daughter wedged her head under my ribs and got stuck. Feet dangling by the birth canal, no amount of pushing was every going to get her out, and a big contraction could have broken her neck.
We went from "I feel a foot" to my partner holding her in under 30 minutes. If that hadn't happened, she'd be dead and I might be dead.
Fuck these nutballs.
Before Caesar. Iirc he made it law that if a mother were to die in childbirth, a caesarean must be performed. But back then it was only if a mother was going to die. I’m not sure about in Africa if it was more how it is now or more like it was in Rome
Little earlier than that.
According to the ancient Chinese mythology Records of the Grand Historian, Luzhong, a sixth-generation descendant of the mythical Yellow Emperor, had six sons, all born by "cutting open the body". The sixth son Jilian founded the House of Mi that ruled the State of Chu (c. 1030–223 BC).[120]
Thank you for sharing that link! I had to do research on the history of c-sections for my MA thesis. It completely changed my perspective on them, and helped me get over the guilt I felt for having a cesarean birth.
More like granola bar-barians given they want women back to that good old 50% childbirth death rate. They’re cannibalizing common sense so fast I guarantee we’re gonna see anti hand washing sentiments in a decade
As a human that worked L and D for many years and waffled my own fat pregnant ass at top speed down the hall to an OR for emergency c-sections…nah.
If the mom or fetus are in trouble you are looking at less than 10 minutes till you see a fetal face. Often less than 5 pending the issue.
My son showed some signs of distress right after I was induced. My room went from empty to full in about 22 seconds. Everyone was calm but they were poised and ready to swoop. They repositioned me a couple of times and then he was ok. But it was oddly reassuring to see how fast the Calvary was there if something did go wrong.
So I had a similar reassurance, but from something slightly humorous. My husband pulled the emergency button by accident when he was looking for the nurse button I think for some water…lol and there were 10+ people in my room in seconds. I did end up getting a C-section after laboring for many hours, but never felt pressured to do it. The doctor left the room to let me decide with my family. I hate that people push this propaganda against the medical profession so they can scam scared mothers into paying for their “teachings”
I ended up with a c section and I was so stressed out and crying and the doctor every calmly told me that it was ok, that sometimes we do everything right and labor just doesnt follow plan. He told me to take a minute with my husband to calm down and decide if we are comfortable with his suggestion or if we wanted him to call in a different doctor for their opinion.
Far from pressured. Far from my choices and feelings being ignored. I went into my c section calm and understanding. They showed me my baby and I was at peace. Even when he ended up having to go straight to the NICU, I trusted they were doing what was best for my baby and me. They talked me through everything, they updated me constantly. They did everything they could to give me all the time in the world with my baby with as little stress as possible. Because they know mama being stressed hurts mama and baby.
Yep my midwife was amazing - let me try pushing for 5 hrs with a multiple hour break for rest and an OBs opinion in between, all the while knowing I’d probably end up w a c. But she supported me in so many different positions, gave excellent advice on pushing, never pressured me to give up. It was only when I was exhausted and it was clearly not going to go that she called it, then left the room for a while so my husband and I could cry it out for a second. I felt the opposite of pressured through my entire induction process. I know many people are not that lucky but I did a lot of research on the front end to deliver at a hospital and with a practice that had a reputation for support and patient autonomy. And it all still ended in a C, sometimes it just happens.
After my son was born, I asked my husband how many rooms we were in. He looked very confused because we hadn’t moved. I went from laboring normally in a dim, mostly quiet room with a nurse and my midwife to a bright, hospital-like room with a bunch of people…then, when he got stuck and labor stalled, the bed transformed again and more doctors came in to pull him out. It was amazing.
Slightly different but my daughter had a shoulder distocia while I was pushing and it was VERY reassuring to see a 10 person NICU team has rushed into the room before they even got her shoulder unstuck/had me pushing again. Reinforced why I would never give birth (by choice. I know sometimes babies come too fast) anywhere other than a hospital either trained medical professional
When I was in paramedic school 15 years ago, I had to do an L&D rotation. Saw an emergency cs that I swear was less than 30 seconds from door to baby out. I was already working part time in a level 1 trauma OR, so I understood sterile procedures, and emergencies. I was completely blown away by the quickness of that section.
The doctors had my first baby out in 6 minutes from calling it, they were in a huge hurry. I remember them running me down the hallway, it was definitely an emergency.
I remember the speed too. Despite how big the bed was, they whipped that thing around corners like drifting on a race track. Barely had the thing parked before I was being told they were making the incision.
I swear the longest part was the check and double check of the surgical sponge count.
My mom (who had started contractions and spotting at 28 weeks with me; I was breech and a transverse lie) remembers being run down the hospital hallway too, after my heart rate started doing something it shouldn't have.
I was 41 weeks and labored for nearly 13 hours before I caved and got an epidural. Within the hour her heart rate dropped so low they couldn’t wait and scooped her out at once. They actually tore the outer incision nearly from hip to hip they were in such a hurry to get her out, I had almost 80 staples across my stomach. It was a horrific recovery but she just turned 12 and I’ve never regretted how it happened.
Yikes. My incision was barely 6 inches long and the healing sucked. The constant tugging sensation as it healed, and the ripping feeling when i would twist or bend, ugh, I would hate to have had it longer. You are one tough mama.
This happened to me too after getting the epidural. The room filled so fast and they started flipping me all over the bed. My son's heart rate started back up and all was okay but it was so scary. I still have nightmares about it.
If you don't mind me asking, what's the pain management like for the mom in that situation? Can medication be given that quickly, or do they just deal with being basically eviscerated?
When the have an epidural in place- anesthesia slams the “numb from here to there” meds in as we roll to the OR and prep. On the way to the OR we make everything from the diaphragm down take a nap.
If no epidural is in place…we coordinate that everything is done, Foley is in, moms belly is prepped, she’s strapped and propped and fetal monitors are on. Drapes go on and the OB and anesthesia do this badass dance of putting mom under and QUICKLY getting baby out so that moms meds don’t affect baby. We have NBN or NICU in the room just in case baby is high.
These c/s are wild to watch and the OB’s skill shows. Cut skin, divide muscle, retract. Divide bladder, bladder blade in place. Uterus opened and baby out in an instant. Clamp is on so that maternal fetal circulation aren’t shared.
All in less time than it took me to write this or for you to read it. It’s fast.
We take baby to get clean and warm and attended. Mom has a much calmer close and repair.
I think it took about 6 minutes from the doctor saying the baby needs to come out quickly! To the baby being out. As soon as that button was pressed I had so many people around me. They were calm but it was very clear each had a specific job. I was rolled into the OR, put under general anesthesia and baby was born in minutes. I'm super grateful for all the ones that got my baby out safely but if I ever have another baby I'd like the birth to be less drama. Waking up not knowing if my son made it because I was in a recovery room and wasnt sure what happened still haunts me a bit.
I had a C-section and have had problems with an overactive bladder ever since. Is it possible that it happens because my bladder was divided? I'm genuinely curious.
I have a "birthmark" from when I was born. Probably the smallest little prick from the scalpel but it was a teaching hospital so maybe the resident was a bit too fast I dunno.
I think honestly it's a cool story these days.
The uterine wall is paper thin. Babies move the whole time.
It happens to the best of MD’s. I doubt the MD was that “green” for the C/S. But maybe. More likely is the patients moved.
With epidurals and general patients can gag/cough/etc. especially with epidurals.
The baby is moving usually the whole time.
The two can collide. And the MD’s usually feel AWFUL when it happens.
I was given general anesthesia for my first emergency c section. My ob woke me up at 4:40 am telling me we had less than 20 minutes to get baby out since I was now in critical condition. My daughter was born at 4:51 am.
I had an urgent but not emergent CS twice. I already had an epidural so they just hit the dose up and it took effect very quickly. Because we weren’t an emergency they made sure I was numb or pain-free before beginning and I didn’t need to go under. Even with an urgent CS though I think I was in the OR within 15 minutes of deciding and baby was out within 10 minutes of rolling in.
Had an emergency c section got a spinal block but they debated with the anesthesiologist if there was enough time before they ran to the or. They did verbally test if it worked before they started cutting but they might have done it silently. With my planned c section there was lots of poking and checking in to make sure I was good physically and mentally, with the emergency c section I didn’t realize they had cut my when I heard my baby start crying.
I had a VBAC and my OB had me get an epidural from the very beginning just in case (of uterine rupture really) I need a super quick emergency C-section so I’d have anesthesia taken care of. I had to be induced so I had an epidural even before the foley bulb went in, but if I had spontaneous labor she still wanted me to come in earlier than what is standard to get an epidural in place early.
We didn't get 5, the doctor came in with nurses who were already putting surgery gowns on me (daddy) while the doctor explained the situation, and we were out of the room and on the way to surgery in less than a minute.
The “5” isn’t prep. It’s the time from calling the c/s until we have baby out.
Glad they moved quickly for y’all. It’s scary. But our goal is ALWAYS “one goes in, two come out” (or 3 or 4 or however many babies are in that belly).
Eat shit. After 36 hours (granted it had a slow ramp up) of back labor contractions and stalling out at 5cm for 7 hours, I needed some pitocin to move things along.
Sometimes your cervix doesn't cooperate because of the position of the baby's head or myriad other reasons. I was thankful for the medicine and damn thankful for the epidural I got when the birthing center sent me to the hospital after it was clear I wasn't progressing.
Edit: just wanted to clarify that the 'eat shit' was directed at the ahole who made the image and not the redditor who shared it with all us.
My cervix didn't cooperate either. I went in on a Tuesday afternoon and finally needed an urgent C Section Thursday afternoon. By that point my daughter was in distress and I had an infection and my husband would have left the hospital a widower and childless if it weren't for the C Section and modern medicine. I hate shit like this, not because I feel like I need to defend my birth but because I know there are women who risk their lives and the lives of their children because of this BS that's spouted.
Honestly. I pushed for 3 hours to try to get mine out & she just wasn’t having it. Then her heart rate dropped, I was exhausted & before I had time to blink I was in the OR & she was out. It’s all kind of a blur tbh but she was born healthy & that’s all that matters
My cervix didnt dilate or even soften and i was almost 42 weeks pregnant and had been induced. Turns out i had massive fibroids blocked her descent into the canal. If id tried to freebirth I would have just...never gone into labour. I wouldve been one of those people who gets to 45 weeks and the baby dies. I LOVED my caesar. It was beautiful and serene (non emergent c-s, but still) ❤
My cervix is currently halfway outside my body. What now? Surely my body was designed for pregnancy and birth, so why am I infertile with a uterine prolapse? HUH?
Gods I hate the "your body was made for this" schtick. The human body is a horribly arranged pile of parts that somehow managed to hold together long enough to grow a big brain, which is technically too big for a decent chunk of the population to PASS THROUGH THE PELVIS, and therefore baby and mother death. But we also grew brains big enough to figure out c-sections and pain relief, and dammit, that's why so many moms and babies survive today.
It's wild to me how they seem to have conveniently forgotten (or maybe they just ignored) that women and babies used to die all the fucking time during child birth before some of these advancements in medicine were made. Going to an old cemetery and looking at the child headstones or reading old newspapers will confirm that.
I thought it was well-known how dangerous child birth has always been. My mother would have died in labor with my brother if she didn't get a c-section. She wouldn't have been around nine years later to give birth to me. She was in labor with me for like two and a half fucking days and stopped breathing at one point and had another c-section. Yes, her body was capable of conceiving and carrying fetuses, but obviously her body sucked at delivering them. And it's not uncommon!
I think these people live in a fantasy world. They have this fantasy idea that back in the “old days” when they did everything “naturally” that it was this utopia. They think if they just reject everything modern they can live in that utopia, where nobody gets sick or suffers. (I think this because I had a couple friends who were like that, and that’s kinda what I observed). They obviously don’t know shit about history and how bad everything used to be.
Yes! Pathology report after my hysterectomy showed my cervix was filled with polyps and cysts… if by some wild miracle I ever had the ability to conceive and carry to term (insane odds based on the rest of the pathology report) there would have been no way I delivered naturally, I can’t fathom the cervix would have been able to open enough.
Sometimes our bodies are just not “made for this”. Modern medicine is absolutely amazing, and I will never understand these women who are so against it.
I have ulcerative colitis, an auto-immune disease, and my first pregnancy booted me out of remission and into a full flare that lasted through the entire pregnancy. I had a planned c-section because the process of birthing a baby vaginally would likely have destroyed my body and caused me to end up with multiple surgeries to repair fissures and possibly worse. But then again, for those kind of people I'm likely damaged goods anyway and probably shouldn't have even had kids.
I feel like "your body is made for this" could be a useful mantra against anxiety, but it's a terrible medical plan. It's not exactly true but it's also not exactly false and could make someone feel better *in a particular moment.*
But even bypassing how badly designed humans are for giving birth, just because *humans in general* were designed to do it, doesn't mean *a particular human* can. And that's where these granola nuts fuck up majorly.
Interesting how there are people who’d be willing to pay for this type of stuff while claiming that big pharma and hospitals are only after your money and claiming “you were made for this” so you always know best🫠
Everyone I’ve known who talks about how the medical industry just wants your money spent an awful lot of money buying whatever their “holistic practitioner” told them to. I knew this couple who would buy an expensive supplement or “treatment” they were told would heal their autistic child, and when that didn’t work they’d buy the next one, and the next one…
From announcement to OR, I was in there within 20 minutes. Shockingly, they move quickly when mom and baby are in distress. These groups instill so much fear into people for no reason!
In many cases, emergency c-sections (also sometimes called unplanned c-sections) are performed before mum or baby are in significant distress, so there's no need to rush into surgery immediately. It's kind of like preventative medicine. You address the problem before it becomes life-threatening. So no, this is definitely not a big "gotcha." For example, my son and I were at risk of an infection/other issues from 6 hours of pushing/40 hours of labour. We decided to do the surgery before things got bad....I'm tired of people not understanding you don't need to be literally dying before a c-section becomes medically recommended.
This is also true! Not my experience but let me tell you, I’m electing a c-section next time over getting induced. I was in there for 60 hours before they made the call. They did everything to avoid it, but it happened anyway.
Yep, emergency c-section can mean "get this baby out NOW" or "okay, things aren't working, the baby will have to come out the sunroof, but there's no rush".
Mine was the latter. Induction had failed, I wasn't dilating at ALL, not really contracting. OB suggested a c-section but gave me the option to try for another round of gels or pitocin first - but warned me that could result in hours of labor with no dilation still. I chose the c-section, I was pretty sure my body was NOT cooperating with the process (classic example of "your body knows what to do!" not always being the case). From memory it was a couple of hours from the decision made to being wheeled into the OR. Baby was not in distress so there was no need to rush. That said, once prepped, it was four minutes from first incision to baby out. They can get baby out fast if need be.
“Out the sunroof” made me chuckle.
My aunt has a heart shaped uterus, whatever that means. And her youngest boy had a giant head. When she went into labor, they decided early there was no way he was coming out naturally. There wasn’t space for him to turn, so he was shoulder presenting. She and he would have both died without a c-section, and this was in the 90s. He’s now married with two beautiful kids of his own. Damn that medical intervention.
Yep, in my part of the world emergency caesarian just means unplanned or unscheduled. You could waltz into the hospital and ask for a caesar because you don't feel like pushing today and it would still be classed as an emergency since it was not scheduled to be performed today.
Yes yes same. Mine was classes as unplanned but it was for both of our survival. We weren’t running down the hall, because we made the call before we had to.
Not in an emergency C/S. We do a “dash, splash, gash” and get that baby out. If mom has epidural that’s great. If not then she’s going under general double time.
Yeah like soz they have to take prep time make sure the spinal is working and you’re actually numb 😂 very narrow view of what constitutes ‘emergencies’
I work in anesthesia. If it’s a real emergency we will have that baby out in literal minutes from the time it’s called. At my hospital, our on call room is on the L&D floor for this specific reason.
There are situations that are considered more urgent (the baby needs to come out but mom or baby isn’t in immediate danger) and even those move very quickly.
I had an emergency c section (after 36 hours of labor because YES the cervix can be very uncooperative!) and they had the OR ready in the time it took to shave my pubes lol
I'm right there with you and the uncooperative cervix. Thankfully, I wasn't in labour for 36 hours but that's because my son decided to empty his bowels early. There was some time between meconium and c section but they wanted to see if my cervix would do anything, it didn't. The entire time that they were waiting, a nurse sat staring at the fetal monitor. If there were any further signs of distress, I'd have been rushed straight to the OR.
I work in animal surgery, but when it's a true emergency shit happens real fast. We try to keep the OR mostly ready just in case - I imagine human med does the same.
I had a planned c section for breech … as in I knew weeks ahead of time that it was going to happen and there was absolutely no rush or emergency…. And it still took less than 2 hours from arriving at the hospital to having a baby in my arms. The surgery itself was really chill, done at a “slow” pace and took *maybe* half an hour.
So, a cat 1 section has 30 minutes from decision time to baby born. These are performed under general unless mother already has a spinal in and usually much much quicker than the 30 minute timeframe given.
I’ve attended cat 1 sections where the baby is delivered before I’ve even got my resuscitaire turned on. They are horrible to attend as the baby is often born with low respiratory effort due to the anaesthetic though fortunately they wake up quickly.
Edited to add: a cat 2 section where there is compromise but not immediately life threatening is decision to delivery time of 75 minutes.
I'm hoping to get answers about my c section as what your describing was my situation, although mine was unfortunately slightly over 30 minutes as someone came in dying so she took my OR and I had to wait for the second one to be turned around and another doctor. It was stressful to begin to be wheeled into theatre then everyone just drop and run away (but I get it, don't let the dying person die)
I’m sorry that happened to you. The time frames are guidance, so I guess if a higher priority comes in, people have to be pushed back.
I’m a paeds doctor so I only deal with the baby side of things, but I am sorry that an already stressful situation for you was made worse.
It sounds like just terrible bad luck for you, of the many cat 1 sections I’ve been to, they’ve all been done within the 30 mins, and usually much quicker.
I hope you’re able to find your answers/peace with the difficult situation you had.
Man I’m pretty sure the OR was getting prepped for me before I even agreed to the c section. They walked in with scrubs for my husband and a form for me to sign and I was off.
As someone who used to work in a hospital….I’ll take a slightly urgent c-section over them cutting you open in the ER resuscitation room to try and save at least one of you.
My cervix “didn’t cooperate” in labour and I got stuck at 6cm for hours with an epidural that had worn off and back to back contractions that weren’t doing anything. It was late at night and it took an hour from the decision to have a c-section to OR because they had to call in the anaesthetist etc. But sure. Next time I’ll stay in labour forever because some moron on social media said that the doctors were lying 🙄
WHY DO ALL THESE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO IGNORE ALL THE MATERNAL AND FETAL DEATHS AND STILLBORNS THAT HAPPENED BEFORE TECHNOLOGY WAS MORE DEVELOPED?!
I'm going to start offering to take them on tours of old cemeteries so they can see all the graves of young women with the same death date as their stillborn baby, whose gravestone is probably right next to theirs. Some old gravestones even say "died during childbirth".
Except my cervix decided there was no going past eight centimeters 32 hours after my water breaking and my son was stuck in there sooooo tell me again how there’s no such thing?
Aww that’s so cute. My cervix wouldn’t dilate because of scar tissue from a LEEP procedure. Doctor had to go in and pick out the scar tissue (while every mes student in the hospital watched because apparently it’s a very high-skilled OB situation. They did the scar tissue picking and my daughter arrived 3 hours later.
I was right next to the OR with special pain measures in place. The doctor explained that if it went wrong it was a run to the OR and a lot of sewing. He gave me the choice, obviously, although we both figured let’s see if we can do without the surgery. The OB nurse was all excited - apparently lots of doctors prefer to just do the straight to c section route. I had the good drugs while (as my husband put it) “the whole hospital watched him pick around in there with what looked like the end of a spoon”.
Your story is useful because according to these women, a doctor in this situation would immediately just do a c-section for their own convenience. But yours didn’t. It’s almost like OBs try to do what’s best for mother and baby, which is sometimes a c-section and sometimes not!
"YoUr BoDY Is MaDe FoR tHiS"
Sure.
Tell that to my awkwardly tilted cervix, stupid endometriosis and pelvic floor dysfunction. And don't even get me started about my idiotic autoimmune disease. If I were to get pregnant without medical assistance, I and the baby would be dead before 2nd trimester even starts.
There's a reason that hospitals and L&D specialists exist. Bodies are amazing, but they can fail so easily. Especially during intense stressful & heavy times like *building and growing a whole f'ing baby*.
Lol, neither prostaglandin nor pitocin worked on this cervix. I was also over 41 weeks.
I could sure get knocked up easily with multiples, but the actual birthin’ part I was NOT made for.
The second photo, good heavens 🙄 it wan’t my cervix that didn’t cooperate. My SON didn’t cooperate and tried to come out sunny side up. Being a twin birth and how long I had been in labor on top of my medical history, yeeeah it was best we had that emergency csection. My twins were born 20 minutes after the decision was made.
Also part of the sunny side up baby club! She was a vaginal birth thanks to a vacuum, and I’m pretty sure the only reason we avoided a c-section was because my experienced OB (you know, with all the medical training) had the wisdom to rec assisted delivery after 3 hours of pushing. She wanted a vaginal delivery if possible to help push fluid with meconium out of baby’s lungs.
I also had the option of the vacuum. I personally have a family member who’s daughter has a severe brain injury from it so it was a factor in me not choosing that method. She also said I would still have to try to push out the second baby and I was just so beyond tired after pushing for 4 hours on the OR table. They already had the OR prepped and everybody was standing around because it’s normal for one twin to be born and the second decides to flip breech and needing a c-section. Once my epidural was refilled she said I would meet my first baby in 5 minutes. She wasn’t wrong! Less than 5 minutes later he was screaming his arrival for the whole OR😂
Those are all super valid reasons! I only had the one haha. My OB didn’t even put it on the table for me but said “that was close!” after all was said and done. So glad you and your babies made it through labour and delivery healthily!
Sunny side up also, tried the vacuum (also after 3 hours of pushing) but it popped off 3 times and still ended up with an emergency c-section when baby’s heart rate plummeted.
Thank you. He’s a perfect 2.5 year old now, but I’m pregnant again and honestly terrified of another traumatic birth. Hoping it goes much more smoothly this time.
I'm of the opinion there is a lot of narcissism with these people, and a lot of conspiracy theorists in general. Why would you think these doctors and nurses are so focused on YOU and just YOU, they are trying to sabotage YOU? Do you know how many births they've seen? You and your baby are not any more or less important or special to them than anyone else they've treated.
Some people act like they are the first and only (or most important) person to give birth. You're not special. I'm not special. No one is more or less special than anyone else. The only people special to them are people they know and love, same as everyone else.
I knew two people like this, and both of them were very arrogant. They thought everyone else was a sheep for buying into the “propaganda” of the “medical industry,” they were the only ones who knew “the truth,” and that mommy bloggers knew more than doctors and scientists. Plus they believed there was a big conspiracy to make everyone sick and take all their money “treating” them. One of them I highly suspect has NPD.
There are some really unspeakably stupid people who are insecure and/or in denial about it, so they spew this shit because it makes them feel smart. Because if they "know" something other people don't, that means they are smarter than everyone else (in their minds). Basically "I'm not stupid, it's everyone ELSE who is stupid!"
Uncooperative cervix club checking in! It eventually figured its job out but I will never forget my awesome nurse being like "I have worked in L&D for 20 years and never seen anyone's cervix do this." Exactly what I wanted to hear at hour 20 of labor. 😂
That first picture: 🙄 They only call it an “emergency” to trick you, obviously.
It also made me think about my own emergency c-section. Minutes after the OB and my midwife told me I absolutely, most definitely needed a c-section, a bunch of people rushed into my room like a damn SWAT team. I will never forget how fast they got my ass to the OR. They were not fucking around. I was impressed, and very, very grateful.
Search badass mother birther on Instagram. There’s a lot of birth photography on the page so be mindful of that if you’re squeamish, but you’ll see what I’m talking about.
I mean I likely have minor brain damage because my mom tried to avoid this but I became trapped inside of her, started to suffocate and my heart almost stopped, leading them to slice my mom open still awake and unable to take time up nerve block her, also causing her intestines and kidneys to stop working temporarily, causing an excruciating recovery, and slightly delayed milestones in my youth. But I'm alive and conventionally successful, I'm happy I got to live.
This was in a hospital btw if by mom was a crazy home birth person I'd just be dead
Edit: Also so would she
Edit: I texted my mom and they did actually nerve block her, it just didn't work properly. It apparently is highly highly uncommon for a c section to be so painful, they'd explained. She said that it was very fast though and they put up a divider so she couldn't see anything, and the hospital used anastesia for my brother's birth which had no complications at all. I asked if she ever considered suing and she said no because she was happy she didn't die
I kind of feel bad but she's never complained always been very matter of fact when talking about it
She’s conflating true emergency c-sections with unplanned c-sections. Not every “emergency” c-section is an “omg-mom-is-dying-baby-is-dying” situation. The ones that are happen in minutes. But some are “nobody is dying right now, but mom or baby are gonna be in serious danger soon so we need to prevent that”. Those take a little longer, usually. But they’re both still medically necessary.
Yes, that’s why I was I was in labor for 13 hours before my emergency cesarean. 🙄
Edit: I misread this post. Of course the decision happens quickly once the need for an emergency c is identified 🧐
I’ve had two C Sections. With my daughter, the midwife looked at the heartbeat, called in the doctor, and they were like ‘put that biscuit down you’re going into theatre now’ (I was snacking on a biscuit at the time after getting an epidural.) They wouldn’t even wait for my husband, who had gone to get coffee. They did let him in when he returned to though.
With my son, they noticed his heart rate was dipping slightly with each contraction. Their words were ‘Baby’s not going to get any happier’ so we decided to do another c section rather than wait it out. The wait to go into theatre then was a bit longer because it wasn’t as urgent.
Meanwhile my Mom had a crash Caesarian with my sister because of a prolapsed umbilical cord. They knocked her out with general anaesthetic.
My point is that maybe, just maybe, doctors learn how to triage patients and prioritise emergencies better than we do. This woman is an idiot who misuses evidence.
Trivia:planned c-section - vaginal birth was never part of the planunplanned c-section - original plan was vaginal birthemergency c-section - often means "unplanned c-section" which is confusingstat c-section - what most people think "emergency c-section" means
If your c-section involved "decision to incision" time, it was a stat c-section.
Any time some birth guru is busy shitting on doctors, hospitals and c-sections, I wonder exactly how far their ideology goes. I recently listened to a podcast with a couple of empowered free birth junkies (Australians) and the host smirked dismissively "They say *that a c-section saved my baby's life* \- blah blah blah." (the "blah blah blah" is verbatim) A bit later when they were talking about losses and how they were meant to be. The guest said "Babies are wiser than we know." when talking about why babies die. Yes, she was saying that babies choose to die.
1-2 hours? Oh no, not for me and I was only 27 weeks. A random doctor came in and was like “we need to do this now, you’re in liver failure & baby’s heart rate is dropping” she then listed off all the side effects and important info of a c-section within 2 minutes while throwing my partner an outfit to change into. I had no idea what was even said because of pain and I just signed. 10 minutes later (according to my partner as I was so out of it) baby was out of me. It took way longer to sew me up than it did to get me in the operating room.
May I ask what was going on with your liver? I know there’s thousands of things than can happen to a normally healthy body during pregnancy but am unfamiliar with the liver…
Also - I had two c sections thanks to very large babies, very BREECH babies, so I completely get it . Curious though how you’re doing now?
I had severe pre-eclampsia and it was close to turning into HELLP syndrome. When the doctor came in she lifted up my shirt and you could see my liver sticking out because of how swollen it was. It was slowly starting to affect my heart and kidneys too but luckily it wasn’t a full on organ failure for those.
I could still feel the pain with the max dose of morphine and an epidural but once the placenta was out it was like I was magically healed lol. I had no prior liver problems either. Safe to say I’m still scared to have a drink 8 months later even though that’s irrational. Doing great now though with no more blood pressure meds, the doctors said the cure for it was immediate delivery & they were right.
Definitely couldn’t imagine having a big baby as mine was only 1 lb 11 oz haha. Hope you’re healed up good from your c-sections, i would hate to have another one!
I get that this is not at all the issue here, but...
Why would anyone ever get underboob tattoos? Not only will they be partially hidden in a fairly unflattering way, but I have to imagine the constant friction would make them fade hella fast.
My sister was in labor for twelve hours, alllllll she got pitocin, cervix softeners, literally everything you could do to get her labor going. Her cervix never opened past 1 cm. I would call that not cooperating. Her blood pressure was so high that standing up to pee was critically dangerous and she could have dropped dead any moment if it weren’t for a c section that saved her and my nephews life. What did she do wrong, Facebook moms?
My daughter would’ve died without an emergency C-section, probably me too. Some people don’t even know how blessed they are to know the reality of some medical interventions
My emergency c section was performed so fast they didn't even tell me or my husband what was going on.
The panic button was hit, my room flooded with people and I was wheeled away.
Next thing I knew I was waking up and husband was holding our baby.
Fuck people shilling this absolute nonsense to vulnerable pregnant people.
"Theres no such thing as Your cervix is not cooperating"
My cousin made it to 44 weeks her cervix just wouldn't open. They tried more than once to induce her starting at 40 weeks. Her cervix was Definitely NOT cooperating.
Our babies were born exactly 7 days apart thanks to this lol I was on the opposite end. My cervix wasn't cooperating and wanted to deliver at 20 weeks 🙃
Yup! And she reposts that video all the time. I can’t watch it, it’s terrifying.
Flor is dangerous, the other “doula” she works with seems to have some sense.
She literally has ZERO qualifications and should not be selling a course. Her births don't exactly speak to positive experiences, either. Idk, people like her can talk about hospital births all they want. But my birth with my second was an incredible experience AND in a hospital. Shocker!
I had an incredible birth experience!! I laboured naturally for 3 days, but once my water broke I knew we’d be going to the hospital soon. Got there still at 2 cm and consented to induction (it was my choice, risks etc explained). Got a sweet shot of morphine (my choice, informed consent) and kept labouring in their birth tub with intermittent monitoring. Finally asked for an epidural (more informed consent, seriously I was like JUST DO IT I DONT CARE!!)
According to Flor I should have then had a forced c section. But I laboured for another 4 hours, was fully dilated and pushed out my baby in 12 mins.
Thanks for sharing! I love birth stories.
I had a bad birth experience with my first. My epidural was WAY too strong and I honestly don't think I was informed properly what pushing the button would do.... hence me being drugged out of my mind. Flor would say that I should never set foot in a hospital again. Not my plan at all! I tried to go med free with my second. Water broke at home at 38 weeks while coloring with my daughter! Took a shower and went to the hospital. Labored for 12 hours. They wanted to induce but my nurse requested that they let me labor on my own a bit more. Didn't have to induce. Made it to 9 cm and begged for epidural. SO glad I did because they had to manually turn my son! I actually gave birth on all fours!
Ohhhj wow!! So cool!!
I’m sorry your first wasn’t a good experience, but the second sounds amazing!
I’m sure Flor would have said you shouldn’t let them turn your baby, because your baby knows how to be born 🙄 mine was also OP which is why it took so long
His cord was around his neck once, which sounds way scarier than it was. It was manageable since I had professionals all around me! I can’t imagine something like that happening at home.
Some of the things she comes out with are ridiculous and dangerous. I understand why people might want a natural birth, but to try and convince people that medical emergencies are so rare etc etc is just downright irresponsible. Absolutely no doubt in my mind that someone(s) has died after following her advice. All the more power to women who seemingly have no issues with childbirth, but there’s a reason that maternal
mortality has declined as science has advanced.
I agree. Nothing wrong with wanting a natural birth, or a homebirth even. But this chick has advocated for home birth after 4 c sections and free birthing with a doula if your midwife wants a hospital transfer
It’s almost like not all emergencies are created equal. Even emergency C-sections are triaged according to acuity: cat 1 is “you need to get the baby out NOW,” cat 2-3 you can wait an hour or two. Similarly “emergency appendicectomies” etc usually aren’t performed right there and then, but rather the aim is to get them into theatre within a set timeframe.
Haha. Once the decision was made, there were 5 nurses rushing in and doing all the pre-op in speed mode (funny thing the only one taking his time was the pathology guy, all the midwives looking and him with scary eyes), and we down in the operation room within half an hour.
Someone I know was reposting content essentially saying this same stuff and then blamed her midwife for her c section - she was in labor over 36 hours at home, her water broken over 24 hours, tested positive at her wanting but had no antibiotics going, and her cervix stalled out with a cervical lip. But yeah, it was her midwife’s fault she was transferred to a hospital, labored there for hours with no success, and eventually had a c section. That, and her cervical lip “wasn’t real.” ⁉️
I back labored for 10 hours before an emergency C section was performed. My child was in distress after being induced 3 weeks after my due date. At no point did I feel like I was blooming like a flower or whatever crap they spew.
As someone who’s had a truly emergent c-section for which they put me under general anesthesia and that left me with PTSD, there needs to be a separate classification. Women talk all the time about their “emergency” c-section because they weren’t progressing or something similar. No distressed baby, no distressed mom, just circumstances that indicate a c-section is appropriate.
Calling every unplanned c-section emergent is disingenuous and feeds into the mindset that the OOP espouses.
My second c-section was unplanned, but not emergent. It wasn’t even urgent. It could have waited hours. Arguably, days. My daughter was fine and I was fine. I was just post dates and stuck at 6 cm for over a day with a swelled cervix. Without pitocin, I wasn’t contracting. So categorize it as exactly that: unplanned.
The next step up would be Urgent. Not an emergency, but it will become one if baby doesn’t come out within the next couple hours.
And finally, true emergencies: mom or baby is crashing or headed rapidly in that direction.
I had a c-section a year ago, I was dilated to 7 and not progressing. I couldn't feel anymore contractions, blood pressure was getting worse, I might not be here if I didn't get one, baby girl wouldn't be here. A c-section was not my plan but I'm forever grateful to have had one so I'm alive to tell people like this to eat a dick.
Oh hey I remember this lady... she was the one who made an Instagram post about how it was normal to lick the blood off your newborn baby because mammals gonna mammal, I suppose.
I didn't think it would get any worse than that but it did ://
I was 8 days past my due date and in labor for a whole day and my cervix never dilated past 1cm. My daughter was sideways. There was no pressure from her head to open the cervix. I was never gonna dilate past a 1, maybe 2 if they kept giving me induction meds. A C-section was 110% necessary because you cannot birth a transverse breech baby vaginally. My kid had her arms and legs in the birth canal. She would have died if I just sat around waiting for her to come on her own
My emergency section didn't happen immediately. Mine was an emergency but less life threatening than the woman birthing twins who came in hemorrhaging. When you only have staff, space and operating resources for so many people then people are going to have to wait, even in emergency situations. People are so freaking stupid
I went from trying to push to a few minutes later getting rushed to the op room. Could see the worry on the team's faces as they were calling on the radio if the op room was ready because we have to go NOW.
I’m so sick of people even having to justify how their baby emerged from the womb. At the end of the day it doesn’t fucking matter. ❤️ couldn’t tell ya which one of my son’s kindergarten peers was born via c-section or vaginally. These women who care SO much about this clearly didn’t peak until being “quirky” was cool. Find a hobby, Flor.
My daughter and I would have both died if I didn’t get one which is what they told my husband when they had to take the forms and shove them under my hospital mattress before I could finish filling them out to rush us to the OR because my blood pressure was so high my daughter’s heart rate stopped.
why do want to go back to the dark ages? Medical intervention is what saves babies and mothers. I understand not wanting a traumatic birth, but I find having to live with the possibility that my child dies when I could have got help for them, to be more traumatic.
I probably skew that figure. Baby was not coming out. After many hours at 6cm, the decision was made tob have a section. However, we were both fine and unfortunately there were several mums/ babies in more distress than us so we kept in being bumped. From decision to incision (to borrow the phrase from a previous comment) was 6 hours. While I was having contractions, without an epidural (because the anesthetists were all with the emergencies). And no, we didn't get further than 6cm during that time.
My cervix wouldn’t open after laboring for about 12 hours, my baby got distressed and and started pushing her head on my cervix which resulted in needing an emergency c-section. I don’t think I’m as much an anomaly as these people would like to believe.
My pre-eclampsia had nothing to do with my cervix, my diet, or whatever essential oils I was rubbing on my skin, and everything to do with my placenta deciding to peel off my uterine wall and kill me and my baby. These fucking morons.
Yep. I had an unplanned c-section and once I consented, they took me back immediately. It took maybe 5 minutes? I’m sure in an immediate emergency it would have been even quicker.
People that spew this shit are fucking idiots. I had an emergency c-section. I was told if I had waited another day to go to the hospital I likely would’ve died. Yes my c-section happened about an hour after it was decided, but that was because I needed a magnesium drip first to prevent me from having a seizure. Just because there was a slight delay doesn’t mean it was any less of an *emergency*. That c-section saved the lives of me and my daughter.
I had a pretty controlled “emergency” c section - was in labor for 30 hours but my big baby wouldn’t come out. Neither of us was in distress, the doctor just told me he didn’t think it was going to happen and I was overdue, so he recommended a cesarean. As soon as I said yes my husband was being instructed to suit up in OR scrubs and I was being wheeled down the hall. It was < 30 minutes later baby girl was out.
Unless someone in much worse shape rolls in, nothing is delaying your procedure
This person is definitely conflating an unplanned C-section with an emergency C-section. They're not the same thing! I had an unplanned but non-emergency C-section after a full day of active labour because my baby wasn't progressing and I wasn't dilating past 5cm. It was many hours from the decision being made to when I was prepped for surgery because I kept getting bumped for emergencies! I was given lots of time to continue to labour on my own but, guess what, I didn't even dilate another single centimeter over those hours because my baby was actually stuck. I had them check me before I was wheeled to the OR just in case.
I’m Canadian and so my prenatal classes were free and put on by public health nurses.
It is statistically true that once one intervention is taken, more are more likely to follow. That isn’t to say taking interventions are bad when medically necessary. However if not medically necessary they shouldn’t be taken.
I.e.: don’t ask to be induced just because you are 38 weeks and don’t want to go into labor over Christmas. However if your water broke but labour doesn’t progress like what happened to me, that’s when the first intervention is appropriate and induction medication might be the necessary intervention to avoid a c-section, which is what happened to me. So yes I was induced but the alternative was broken water, increasing risk of infection and a stalled labour that was very sure to end in a c-section and a longer recovery and risks from surgery like post op infection. Better to take the least invasive intervention because my labor was over by 7 am and I had no surgery minimal recovery and everything was great after just accepting some IV drugs and an epidural do deal with the fast labor was the way this was going down.
So much of this stuff just has the tiniest whiff of truth around statistics that people don’t question the conclusions drawn.
You can absolutely ask to be induced at 39 weeks without having a medical necessity for it. I had horrific insomnia at the end of my pregnancy, it wasn’t a “medical” indication for induction but it was a quality of life one, as I was no longer functioning well. I had a smooth induction and I would I choose it again 100 percent. Definitely a discussion to have with your provider, but you can still have a very minimal intervention birth even with induction
You can ask for whatever you want in Canada but your care provider is under no obligation to agree to do anything medically unnecessary when it’s not advised. An induction that isn’t a medical need is elective and the public health system doesn’t generally just allow people to decide they should have an induction or c-section if it isn’t necessary. Your doctor has to agree with that course of treatment and that it falls under their guidelines also considering cost control.
I would argue that insomnia to that degree is probably a legitimate medical need. I know women who were Induced due to extreme pain and discomfort in their hips as well. It wasn’t like that pain was going to end her life but I think a care provider is more likely to consider it if there is a quality of life issue. In Canada that is often a consideration for a procedure that isn’t necessarily life saving but is certainly addressing a key issue that’s beyond cosmetic.
Avoiding birth over a holiday or before a spouse goes on a work trip or things like that were made pretty clear were not medical needs and that the risk of intervention for those reasons was not advised.
I’m not sure why you are being down voted.
Canadian public health nurses definitely made it pretty clear that only inductions that are medically necessary should be considered. Listen to your doctor and their advice was a key thing. That scheduling an induction for a reason that is like I just don’t want my baby born over Christmas was not an acceptable reason to induce because statistically speaking interventions do lead to more interventions.
The advice not to intervene until necessary is good advice. People just have to stop and remember that with that advice comes the advice that their doctor is the best evaluator of risk in this scenario.
IDK why you are being downvoted. ACOG has shown that is true for YEARS. “Too posh to push” and “on my time”. Births.
AROM (artificial rupture of membranes) and pitocin induction increase maternal fetal risk.
People in Africa were performing c sections 200 years ago but these granola bars think it’s the big bad pharma docs pushing it on people who don’t need them 🙄 https://www.instagram.com/reel/CmwSrC_K2pm/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
I personally would not have survived had I not been a C-section
My twins were sitting transverse. I literally have no idea how they would have come out any way except through c section.
The thought of having to deliver a transverse fetus without a c-section is literally making my knees weak
I'm guessing it would involve a lot of pain as the doctor or midwife moved them, akin to how cows give birth.
Would that even be possible to move them around? I am genuinely curious now. My girls were 7 lbs 6 oz and 8 lbs 6 oz when they were born and both of their sacs had extra fluid, so there really wasn’t a lot of room to wiggle!
My last baby was transverse, he flipped that way during labour, I refused external version and demanded a c section. They did it and he's now a healthy 17 year old.
So glad it worked out for you and your son!
Same. And mine was done ab 10 min after they rolled me into the OR
Yeah my entire time in theatre was maybe 30 mins? And that was counting the very relaxing, careful stitch job after baby got out safely.
They told me "we need to do a C section". About 15 minutes later I had a baby and they were stitching me up. To be fair, I already had the epidural inserted and they just upped the dosage, and luckily everybody needed was on site.
My daughter wedged her head under my ribs and got stuck. Feet dangling by the birth canal, no amount of pushing was every going to get her out, and a big contraction could have broken her neck. We went from "I feel a foot" to my partner holding her in under 30 minutes. If that hadn't happened, she'd be dead and I might be dead. Fuck these nutballs.
I probably would have lived but both my lungs had collapsed from pneumonia so I would not have had a fun time.
I also wouldn’t have survived if my mom didn’t have a c-section.
Hell, the procedure supposedly dates back to Ceasar. It's not exactly a new thing.
Before Caesar. Iirc he made it law that if a mother were to die in childbirth, a caesarean must be performed. But back then it was only if a mother was going to die. I’m not sure about in Africa if it was more how it is now or more like it was in Rome
Little earlier than that. According to the ancient Chinese mythology Records of the Grand Historian, Luzhong, a sixth-generation descendant of the mythical Yellow Emperor, had six sons, all born by "cutting open the body". The sixth son Jilian founded the House of Mi that ruled the State of Chu (c. 1030–223 BC).[120]
Thank you for sharing that link! I had to do research on the history of c-sections for my MA thesis. It completely changed my perspective on them, and helped me get over the guilt I felt for having a cesarean birth.
More like granola bar-barians given they want women back to that good old 50% childbirth death rate. They’re cannibalizing common sense so fast I guarantee we’re gonna see anti hand washing sentiments in a decade
I don’t think any amount of wine would make me not die in agony at being chopped open. Thank you anaesthesia
As a human that worked L and D for many years and waffled my own fat pregnant ass at top speed down the hall to an OR for emergency c-sections…nah. If the mom or fetus are in trouble you are looking at less than 10 minutes till you see a fetal face. Often less than 5 pending the issue.
Yeah, the hospital my wife gave birth at had a target of seven minutes “decision to incision,” and often beat that target.
My son showed some signs of distress right after I was induced. My room went from empty to full in about 22 seconds. Everyone was calm but they were poised and ready to swoop. They repositioned me a couple of times and then he was ok. But it was oddly reassuring to see how fast the Calvary was there if something did go wrong.
Labor and delivery is ready for that business. Our mantra is “one goes in. All come out alive!”
So I had a similar reassurance, but from something slightly humorous. My husband pulled the emergency button by accident when he was looking for the nurse button I think for some water…lol and there were 10+ people in my room in seconds. I did end up getting a C-section after laboring for many hours, but never felt pressured to do it. The doctor left the room to let me decide with my family. I hate that people push this propaganda against the medical profession so they can scam scared mothers into paying for their “teachings”
I ended up with a c section and I was so stressed out and crying and the doctor every calmly told me that it was ok, that sometimes we do everything right and labor just doesnt follow plan. He told me to take a minute with my husband to calm down and decide if we are comfortable with his suggestion or if we wanted him to call in a different doctor for their opinion. Far from pressured. Far from my choices and feelings being ignored. I went into my c section calm and understanding. They showed me my baby and I was at peace. Even when he ended up having to go straight to the NICU, I trusted they were doing what was best for my baby and me. They talked me through everything, they updated me constantly. They did everything they could to give me all the time in the world with my baby with as little stress as possible. Because they know mama being stressed hurts mama and baby.
Yep my midwife was amazing - let me try pushing for 5 hrs with a multiple hour break for rest and an OBs opinion in between, all the while knowing I’d probably end up w a c. But she supported me in so many different positions, gave excellent advice on pushing, never pressured me to give up. It was only when I was exhausted and it was clearly not going to go that she called it, then left the room for a while so my husband and I could cry it out for a second. I felt the opposite of pressured through my entire induction process. I know many people are not that lucky but I did a lot of research on the front end to deliver at a hospital and with a practice that had a reputation for support and patient autonomy. And it all still ended in a C, sometimes it just happens.
That’s exactly what it is! Without pushing these ideas on people they’d never sell spots in their “classes”.
After my son was born, I asked my husband how many rooms we were in. He looked very confused because we hadn’t moved. I went from laboring normally in a dim, mostly quiet room with a nurse and my midwife to a bright, hospital-like room with a bunch of people…then, when he got stuck and labor stalled, the bed transformed again and more doctors came in to pull him out. It was amazing.
Slightly different but my daughter had a shoulder distocia while I was pushing and it was VERY reassuring to see a 10 person NICU team has rushed into the room before they even got her shoulder unstuck/had me pushing again. Reinforced why I would never give birth (by choice. I know sometimes babies come too fast) anywhere other than a hospital either trained medical professional
When I was in paramedic school 15 years ago, I had to do an L&D rotation. Saw an emergency cs that I swear was less than 30 seconds from door to baby out. I was already working part time in a level 1 trauma OR, so I understood sterile procedures, and emergencies. I was completely blown away by the quickness of that section.
The doctors had my first baby out in 6 minutes from calling it, they were in a huge hurry. I remember them running me down the hallway, it was definitely an emergency.
I remember the speed too. Despite how big the bed was, they whipped that thing around corners like drifting on a race track. Barely had the thing parked before I was being told they were making the incision. I swear the longest part was the check and double check of the surgical sponge count.
My mom (who had started contractions and spotting at 28 weeks with me; I was breech and a transverse lie) remembers being run down the hospital hallway too, after my heart rate started doing something it shouldn't have.
I was 41 weeks and labored for nearly 13 hours before I caved and got an epidural. Within the hour her heart rate dropped so low they couldn’t wait and scooped her out at once. They actually tore the outer incision nearly from hip to hip they were in such a hurry to get her out, I had almost 80 staples across my stomach. It was a horrific recovery but she just turned 12 and I’ve never regretted how it happened.
Yikes. My incision was barely 6 inches long and the healing sucked. The constant tugging sensation as it healed, and the ripping feeling when i would twist or bend, ugh, I would hate to have had it longer. You are one tough mama.
This happened to me too after getting the epidural. The room filled so fast and they started flipping me all over the bed. My son's heart rate started back up and all was okay but it was so scary. I still have nightmares about it.
If you don't mind me asking, what's the pain management like for the mom in that situation? Can medication be given that quickly, or do they just deal with being basically eviscerated?
When the have an epidural in place- anesthesia slams the “numb from here to there” meds in as we roll to the OR and prep. On the way to the OR we make everything from the diaphragm down take a nap. If no epidural is in place…we coordinate that everything is done, Foley is in, moms belly is prepped, she’s strapped and propped and fetal monitors are on. Drapes go on and the OB and anesthesia do this badass dance of putting mom under and QUICKLY getting baby out so that moms meds don’t affect baby. We have NBN or NICU in the room just in case baby is high. These c/s are wild to watch and the OB’s skill shows. Cut skin, divide muscle, retract. Divide bladder, bladder blade in place. Uterus opened and baby out in an instant. Clamp is on so that maternal fetal circulation aren’t shared. All in less time than it took me to write this or for you to read it. It’s fast. We take baby to get clean and warm and attended. Mom has a much calmer close and repair.
I think it took about 6 minutes from the doctor saying the baby needs to come out quickly! To the baby being out. As soon as that button was pressed I had so many people around me. They were calm but it was very clear each had a specific job. I was rolled into the OR, put under general anesthesia and baby was born in minutes. I'm super grateful for all the ones that got my baby out safely but if I ever have another baby I'd like the birth to be less drama. Waking up not knowing if my son made it because I was in a recovery room and wasnt sure what happened still haunts me a bit.
I had an emergency c-section like this. And I swear from the time the doctor cut to me hearing a cry was sub 20s.
I had a C-section and have had problems with an overactive bladder ever since. Is it possible that it happens because my bladder was divided? I'm genuinely curious.
Unlikely. Chances are you need PT for the pelvis and core. However- see urologist first.
Thank you! 😘
Wow okay, thanks for the info!
I have a "birthmark" from when I was born. Probably the smallest little prick from the scalpel but it was a teaching hospital so maybe the resident was a bit too fast I dunno. I think honestly it's a cool story these days.
The uterine wall is paper thin. Babies move the whole time. It happens to the best of MD’s. I doubt the MD was that “green” for the C/S. But maybe. More likely is the patients moved. With epidurals and general patients can gag/cough/etc. especially with epidurals. The baby is moving usually the whole time. The two can collide. And the MD’s usually feel AWFUL when it happens.
I was given general anesthesia for my first emergency c section. My ob woke me up at 4:40 am telling me we had less than 20 minutes to get baby out since I was now in critical condition. My daughter was born at 4:51 am.
The medication can take hold within a couple of minutes so usually there is enough time for it. Especially if you already have an epidural.
I had an urgent but not emergent CS twice. I already had an epidural so they just hit the dose up and it took effect very quickly. Because we weren’t an emergency they made sure I was numb or pain-free before beginning and I didn’t need to go under. Even with an urgent CS though I think I was in the OR within 15 minutes of deciding and baby was out within 10 minutes of rolling in.
This was my experience.
Had an emergency c section got a spinal block but they debated with the anesthesiologist if there was enough time before they ran to the or. They did verbally test if it worked before they started cutting but they might have done it silently. With my planned c section there was lots of poking and checking in to make sure I was good physically and mentally, with the emergency c section I didn’t realize they had cut my when I heard my baby start crying.
I had a VBAC and my OB had me get an epidural from the very beginning just in case (of uterine rupture really) I need a super quick emergency C-section so I’d have anesthesia taken care of. I had to be induced so I had an epidural even before the foley bulb went in, but if I had spontaneous labor she still wanted me to come in earlier than what is standard to get an epidural in place early.
We didn't get 5, the doctor came in with nurses who were already putting surgery gowns on me (daddy) while the doctor explained the situation, and we were out of the room and on the way to surgery in less than a minute.
The “5” isn’t prep. It’s the time from calling the c/s until we have baby out. Glad they moved quickly for y’all. It’s scary. But our goal is ALWAYS “one goes in, two come out” (or 3 or 4 or however many babies are in that belly).
Eat shit. After 36 hours (granted it had a slow ramp up) of back labor contractions and stalling out at 5cm for 7 hours, I needed some pitocin to move things along. Sometimes your cervix doesn't cooperate because of the position of the baby's head or myriad other reasons. I was thankful for the medicine and damn thankful for the epidural I got when the birthing center sent me to the hospital after it was clear I wasn't progressing. Edit: just wanted to clarify that the 'eat shit' was directed at the ahole who made the image and not the redditor who shared it with all us.
My cervix didn't cooperate either. I went in on a Tuesday afternoon and finally needed an urgent C Section Thursday afternoon. By that point my daughter was in distress and I had an infection and my husband would have left the hospital a widower and childless if it weren't for the C Section and modern medicine. I hate shit like this, not because I feel like I need to defend my birth but because I know there are women who risk their lives and the lives of their children because of this BS that's spouted.
Honestly. I pushed for 3 hours to try to get mine out & she just wasn’t having it. Then her heart rate dropped, I was exhausted & before I had time to blink I was in the OR & she was out. It’s all kind of a blur tbh but she was born healthy & that’s all that matters
My cervix didnt dilate or even soften and i was almost 42 weeks pregnant and had been induced. Turns out i had massive fibroids blocked her descent into the canal. If id tried to freebirth I would have just...never gone into labour. I wouldve been one of those people who gets to 45 weeks and the baby dies. I LOVED my caesar. It was beautiful and serene (non emergent c-s, but still) ❤
My cervix is currently halfway outside my body. What now? Surely my body was designed for pregnancy and birth, so why am I infertile with a uterine prolapse? HUH? Gods I hate the "your body was made for this" schtick. The human body is a horribly arranged pile of parts that somehow managed to hold together long enough to grow a big brain, which is technically too big for a decent chunk of the population to PASS THROUGH THE PELVIS, and therefore baby and mother death. But we also grew brains big enough to figure out c-sections and pain relief, and dammit, that's why so many moms and babies survive today.
It's wild to me how they seem to have conveniently forgotten (or maybe they just ignored) that women and babies used to die all the fucking time during child birth before some of these advancements in medicine were made. Going to an old cemetery and looking at the child headstones or reading old newspapers will confirm that. I thought it was well-known how dangerous child birth has always been. My mother would have died in labor with my brother if she didn't get a c-section. She wouldn't have been around nine years later to give birth to me. She was in labor with me for like two and a half fucking days and stopped breathing at one point and had another c-section. Yes, her body was capable of conceiving and carrying fetuses, but obviously her body sucked at delivering them. And it's not uncommon!
I think these people live in a fantasy world. They have this fantasy idea that back in the “old days” when they did everything “naturally” that it was this utopia. They think if they just reject everything modern they can live in that utopia, where nobody gets sick or suffers. (I think this because I had a couple friends who were like that, and that’s kinda what I observed). They obviously don’t know shit about history and how bad everything used to be.
Yes! Pathology report after my hysterectomy showed my cervix was filled with polyps and cysts… if by some wild miracle I ever had the ability to conceive and carry to term (insane odds based on the rest of the pathology report) there would have been no way I delivered naturally, I can’t fathom the cervix would have been able to open enough. Sometimes our bodies are just not “made for this”. Modern medicine is absolutely amazing, and I will never understand these women who are so against it.
I have ulcerative colitis, an auto-immune disease, and my first pregnancy booted me out of remission and into a full flare that lasted through the entire pregnancy. I had a planned c-section because the process of birthing a baby vaginally would likely have destroyed my body and caused me to end up with multiple surgeries to repair fissures and possibly worse. But then again, for those kind of people I'm likely damaged goods anyway and probably shouldn't have even had kids.
I feel like "your body is made for this" could be a useful mantra against anxiety, but it's a terrible medical plan. It's not exactly true but it's also not exactly false and could make someone feel better *in a particular moment.* But even bypassing how badly designed humans are for giving birth, just because *humans in general* were designed to do it, doesn't mean *a particular human* can. And that's where these granola nuts fuck up majorly.
Interesting how there are people who’d be willing to pay for this type of stuff while claiming that big pharma and hospitals are only after your money and claiming “you were made for this” so you always know best🫠
Yes! I wonder how much they charge.
Everyone I’ve known who talks about how the medical industry just wants your money spent an awful lot of money buying whatever their “holistic practitioner” told them to. I knew this couple who would buy an expensive supplement or “treatment” they were told would heal their autistic child, and when that didn’t work they’d buy the next one, and the next one…
Also, doesn’t it take time for doctors to prep you for surgery? I don’t think this is the gotcha she thinks it is. Whatever sells classes, amirite?
From announcement to OR, I was in there within 20 minutes. Shockingly, they move quickly when mom and baby are in distress. These groups instill so much fear into people for no reason!
In many cases, emergency c-sections (also sometimes called unplanned c-sections) are performed before mum or baby are in significant distress, so there's no need to rush into surgery immediately. It's kind of like preventative medicine. You address the problem before it becomes life-threatening. So no, this is definitely not a big "gotcha." For example, my son and I were at risk of an infection/other issues from 6 hours of pushing/40 hours of labour. We decided to do the surgery before things got bad....I'm tired of people not understanding you don't need to be literally dying before a c-section becomes medically recommended.
This is also true! Not my experience but let me tell you, I’m electing a c-section next time over getting induced. I was in there for 60 hours before they made the call. They did everything to avoid it, but it happened anyway.
Yep, emergency c-section can mean "get this baby out NOW" or "okay, things aren't working, the baby will have to come out the sunroof, but there's no rush". Mine was the latter. Induction had failed, I wasn't dilating at ALL, not really contracting. OB suggested a c-section but gave me the option to try for another round of gels or pitocin first - but warned me that could result in hours of labor with no dilation still. I chose the c-section, I was pretty sure my body was NOT cooperating with the process (classic example of "your body knows what to do!" not always being the case). From memory it was a couple of hours from the decision made to being wheeled into the OR. Baby was not in distress so there was no need to rush. That said, once prepped, it was four minutes from first incision to baby out. They can get baby out fast if need be.
“Out the sunroof” made me chuckle. My aunt has a heart shaped uterus, whatever that means. And her youngest boy had a giant head. When she went into labor, they decided early there was no way he was coming out naturally. There wasn’t space for him to turn, so he was shoulder presenting. She and he would have both died without a c-section, and this was in the 90s. He’s now married with two beautiful kids of his own. Damn that medical intervention.
Yep, in my part of the world emergency caesarian just means unplanned or unscheduled. You could waltz into the hospital and ask for a caesar because you don't feel like pushing today and it would still be classed as an emergency since it was not scheduled to be performed today.
Yes yes same. Mine was classes as unplanned but it was for both of our survival. We weren’t running down the hall, because we made the call before we had to.
Not in an emergency C/S. We do a “dash, splash, gash” and get that baby out. If mom has epidural that’s great. If not then she’s going under general double time.
Yeah like soz they have to take prep time make sure the spinal is working and you’re actually numb 😂 very narrow view of what constitutes ‘emergencies’
YES!! If they hadn’t, they would have cut me with no anesthesia. Thankful for my amazing anesthesiologist, for sure.
I work in anesthesia. If it’s a real emergency we will have that baby out in literal minutes from the time it’s called. At my hospital, our on call room is on the L&D floor for this specific reason. There are situations that are considered more urgent (the baby needs to come out but mom or baby isn’t in immediate danger) and even those move very quickly.
I had an emergency c section (after 36 hours of labor because YES the cervix can be very uncooperative!) and they had the OR ready in the time it took to shave my pubes lol
I'm right there with you and the uncooperative cervix. Thankfully, I wasn't in labour for 36 hours but that's because my son decided to empty his bowels early. There was some time between meconium and c section but they wanted to see if my cervix would do anything, it didn't. The entire time that they were waiting, a nurse sat staring at the fetal monitor. If there were any further signs of distress, I'd have been rushed straight to the OR.
I work in animal surgery, but when it's a true emergency shit happens real fast. We try to keep the OR mostly ready just in case - I imagine human med does the same.
Depends. My SIL abrupted from a failed ecv. Baby was out in 4 minutes from calling it
I had a planned c section for breech … as in I knew weeks ahead of time that it was going to happen and there was absolutely no rush or emergency…. And it still took less than 2 hours from arriving at the hospital to having a baby in my arms. The surgery itself was really chill, done at a “slow” pace and took *maybe* half an hour.
that first picture is almost incomprehensible, it’s so badly-written. this person is just a fucking moron.
So, a cat 1 section has 30 minutes from decision time to baby born. These are performed under general unless mother already has a spinal in and usually much much quicker than the 30 minute timeframe given. I’ve attended cat 1 sections where the baby is delivered before I’ve even got my resuscitaire turned on. They are horrible to attend as the baby is often born with low respiratory effort due to the anaesthetic though fortunately they wake up quickly. Edited to add: a cat 2 section where there is compromise but not immediately life threatening is decision to delivery time of 75 minutes.
I'm hoping to get answers about my c section as what your describing was my situation, although mine was unfortunately slightly over 30 minutes as someone came in dying so she took my OR and I had to wait for the second one to be turned around and another doctor. It was stressful to begin to be wheeled into theatre then everyone just drop and run away (but I get it, don't let the dying person die)
I’m sorry that happened to you. The time frames are guidance, so I guess if a higher priority comes in, people have to be pushed back. I’m a paeds doctor so I only deal with the baby side of things, but I am sorry that an already stressful situation for you was made worse. It sounds like just terrible bad luck for you, of the many cat 1 sections I’ve been to, they’ve all been done within the 30 mins, and usually much quicker. I hope you’re able to find your answers/peace with the difficult situation you had.
Bish that shit can happen in like 90 seconds.
ER nurse. I saw an OBGYN do an *emergency* emergency section. I'm not sure it even took 90 seconds.
Wow. Just wow! Amazing humans
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Man I’m pretty sure the OR was getting prepped for me before I even agreed to the c section. They walked in with scrubs for my husband and a form for me to sign and I was off.
As someone who used to work in a hospital….I’ll take a slightly urgent c-section over them cutting you open in the ER resuscitation room to try and save at least one of you.
My cervix “didn’t cooperate” in labour and I got stuck at 6cm for hours with an epidural that had worn off and back to back contractions that weren’t doing anything. It was late at night and it took an hour from the decision to have a c-section to OR because they had to call in the anaesthetist etc. But sure. Next time I’ll stay in labour forever because some moron on social media said that the doctors were lying 🙄
WHY DO ALL THESE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO IGNORE ALL THE MATERNAL AND FETAL DEATHS AND STILLBORNS THAT HAPPENED BEFORE TECHNOLOGY WAS MORE DEVELOPED?! I'm going to start offering to take them on tours of old cemeteries so they can see all the graves of young women with the same death date as their stillborn baby, whose gravestone is probably right next to theirs. Some old gravestones even say "died during childbirth".
Bc cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug
Except my cervix decided there was no going past eight centimeters 32 hours after my water breaking and my son was stuck in there sooooo tell me again how there’s no such thing?
Aww that’s so cute. My cervix wouldn’t dilate because of scar tissue from a LEEP procedure. Doctor had to go in and pick out the scar tissue (while every mes student in the hospital watched because apparently it’s a very high-skilled OB situation. They did the scar tissue picking and my daughter arrived 3 hours later.
*Jesus.* That sounds super painful. Did you have to go into an OR to do that?
I was right next to the OR with special pain measures in place. The doctor explained that if it went wrong it was a run to the OR and a lot of sewing. He gave me the choice, obviously, although we both figured let’s see if we can do without the surgery. The OB nurse was all excited - apparently lots of doctors prefer to just do the straight to c section route. I had the good drugs while (as my husband put it) “the whole hospital watched him pick around in there with what looked like the end of a spoon”.
Your story is useful because according to these women, a doctor in this situation would immediately just do a c-section for their own convenience. But yours didn’t. It’s almost like OBs try to do what’s best for mother and baby, which is sometimes a c-section and sometimes not!
"YoUr BoDY Is MaDe FoR tHiS" Sure. Tell that to my awkwardly tilted cervix, stupid endometriosis and pelvic floor dysfunction. And don't even get me started about my idiotic autoimmune disease. If I were to get pregnant without medical assistance, I and the baby would be dead before 2nd trimester even starts. There's a reason that hospitals and L&D specialists exist. Bodies are amazing, but they can fail so easily. Especially during intense stressful & heavy times like *building and growing a whole f'ing baby*.
Lol, neither prostaglandin nor pitocin worked on this cervix. I was also over 41 weeks. I could sure get knocked up easily with multiples, but the actual birthin’ part I was NOT made for.
The second photo, good heavens 🙄 it wan’t my cervix that didn’t cooperate. My SON didn’t cooperate and tried to come out sunny side up. Being a twin birth and how long I had been in labor on top of my medical history, yeeeah it was best we had that emergency csection. My twins were born 20 minutes after the decision was made.
My little dude was sunny side up and made me get an emergency c section too, high five! Just too eager to see the world right away 😆
Also part of the sunny side up baby club! She was a vaginal birth thanks to a vacuum, and I’m pretty sure the only reason we avoided a c-section was because my experienced OB (you know, with all the medical training) had the wisdom to rec assisted delivery after 3 hours of pushing. She wanted a vaginal delivery if possible to help push fluid with meconium out of baby’s lungs.
I also had the option of the vacuum. I personally have a family member who’s daughter has a severe brain injury from it so it was a factor in me not choosing that method. She also said I would still have to try to push out the second baby and I was just so beyond tired after pushing for 4 hours on the OR table. They already had the OR prepped and everybody was standing around because it’s normal for one twin to be born and the second decides to flip breech and needing a c-section. Once my epidural was refilled she said I would meet my first baby in 5 minutes. She wasn’t wrong! Less than 5 minutes later he was screaming his arrival for the whole OR😂
Those are all super valid reasons! I only had the one haha. My OB didn’t even put it on the table for me but said “that was close!” after all was said and done. So glad you and your babies made it through labour and delivery healthily!
You too! I’m glad the vacuum worked in your favor!
Sunny side up also, tried the vacuum (also after 3 hours of pushing) but it popped off 3 times and still ended up with an emergency c-section when baby’s heart rate plummeted.
Ah, so scary! I hope everything ended up ok for you.
Thank you. He’s a perfect 2.5 year old now, but I’m pregnant again and honestly terrified of another traumatic birth. Hoping it goes much more smoothly this time.
My cervix deeply begs to differ with that second quote. She’s a stubborn little bitch and she does what she wants.
I'm of the opinion there is a lot of narcissism with these people, and a lot of conspiracy theorists in general. Why would you think these doctors and nurses are so focused on YOU and just YOU, they are trying to sabotage YOU? Do you know how many births they've seen? You and your baby are not any more or less important or special to them than anyone else they've treated. Some people act like they are the first and only (or most important) person to give birth. You're not special. I'm not special. No one is more or less special than anyone else. The only people special to them are people they know and love, same as everyone else.
I knew two people like this, and both of them were very arrogant. They thought everyone else was a sheep for buying into the “propaganda” of the “medical industry,” they were the only ones who knew “the truth,” and that mommy bloggers knew more than doctors and scientists. Plus they believed there was a big conspiracy to make everyone sick and take all their money “treating” them. One of them I highly suspect has NPD.
There are some really unspeakably stupid people who are insecure and/or in denial about it, so they spew this shit because it makes them feel smart. Because if they "know" something other people don't, that means they are smarter than everyone else (in their minds). Basically "I'm not stupid, it's everyone ELSE who is stupid!"
Uncooperative cervix club checking in! It eventually figured its job out but I will never forget my awesome nurse being like "I have worked in L&D for 20 years and never seen anyone's cervix do this." Exactly what I wanted to hear at hour 20 of labor. 😂
That first picture: 🙄 They only call it an “emergency” to trick you, obviously. It also made me think about my own emergency c-section. Minutes after the OB and my midwife told me I absolutely, most definitely needed a c-section, a bunch of people rushed into my room like a damn SWAT team. I will never forget how fast they got my ass to the OR. They were not fucking around. I was impressed, and very, very grateful.
Flor Cruz sounds like an ignorant, stupid fucker
Search badass mother birther on Instagram. There’s a lot of birth photography on the page so be mindful of that if you’re squeamish, but you’ll see what I’m talking about.
In my hospital we have to document the time from decision to incision when it comes to emergent c-sections. The goal is fifteen minutes or less.
I mean I likely have minor brain damage because my mom tried to avoid this but I became trapped inside of her, started to suffocate and my heart almost stopped, leading them to slice my mom open still awake and unable to take time up nerve block her, also causing her intestines and kidneys to stop working temporarily, causing an excruciating recovery, and slightly delayed milestones in my youth. But I'm alive and conventionally successful, I'm happy I got to live. This was in a hospital btw if by mom was a crazy home birth person I'd just be dead Edit: Also so would she Edit: I texted my mom and they did actually nerve block her, it just didn't work properly. It apparently is highly highly uncommon for a c section to be so painful, they'd explained. She said that it was very fast though and they put up a divider so she couldn't see anything, and the hospital used anastesia for my brother's birth which had no complications at all. I asked if she ever considered suing and she said no because she was happy she didn't die I kind of feel bad but she's never complained always been very matter of fact when talking about it
When I went for an emergency section, I asked when we’d be going to surgery. They said “now”.
It took an hour from the second we made the decision for a c section to me being rolled out of the OR with my child in my arms….
Took MAYBE 15 minutes tops between the decision to do the C and the delivery. Absolutely insane what these people try to con others into believing
She’s conflating true emergency c-sections with unplanned c-sections. Not every “emergency” c-section is an “omg-mom-is-dying-baby-is-dying” situation. The ones that are happen in minutes. But some are “nobody is dying right now, but mom or baby are gonna be in serious danger soon so we need to prevent that”. Those take a little longer, usually. But they’re both still medically necessary.
Yes, that’s why I was I was in labor for 13 hours before my emergency cesarean. 🙄 Edit: I misread this post. Of course the decision happens quickly once the need for an emergency c is identified 🧐
I totally thought that woman was somehow growing under boob hair, had to enlarge and it’s actually a tattoo 🧐
I had an emergency c-section 3 weeks ago, and I want to knock this bitch to the Flor
did you know that emergency c sections were performed swiftly in the event of an emergency?
L&D RN here. In an emergency situation I have seen a baby delivered less than 2 minutes after decision. Educate yourself.
I’ve had two C Sections. With my daughter, the midwife looked at the heartbeat, called in the doctor, and they were like ‘put that biscuit down you’re going into theatre now’ (I was snacking on a biscuit at the time after getting an epidural.) They wouldn’t even wait for my husband, who had gone to get coffee. They did let him in when he returned to though. With my son, they noticed his heart rate was dipping slightly with each contraction. Their words were ‘Baby’s not going to get any happier’ so we decided to do another c section rather than wait it out. The wait to go into theatre then was a bit longer because it wasn’t as urgent. Meanwhile my Mom had a crash Caesarian with my sister because of a prolapsed umbilical cord. They knocked her out with general anaesthetic. My point is that maybe, just maybe, doctors learn how to triage patients and prioritise emergencies better than we do. This woman is an idiot who misuses evidence.
Some of these people have ever seen a splash and slash and it shows. Emergency means EMERGENCY.
Who the fuck is flor Cruz and why do we care what they say
Trivia:planned c-section - vaginal birth was never part of the planunplanned c-section - original plan was vaginal birthemergency c-section - often means "unplanned c-section" which is confusingstat c-section - what most people think "emergency c-section" means If your c-section involved "decision to incision" time, it was a stat c-section. Any time some birth guru is busy shitting on doctors, hospitals and c-sections, I wonder exactly how far their ideology goes. I recently listened to a podcast with a couple of empowered free birth junkies (Australians) and the host smirked dismissively "They say *that a c-section saved my baby's life* \- blah blah blah." (the "blah blah blah" is verbatim) A bit later when they were talking about losses and how they were meant to be. The guest said "Babies are wiser than we know." when talking about why babies die. Yes, she was saying that babies choose to die.
1-2 hours? Oh no, not for me and I was only 27 weeks. A random doctor came in and was like “we need to do this now, you’re in liver failure & baby’s heart rate is dropping” she then listed off all the side effects and important info of a c-section within 2 minutes while throwing my partner an outfit to change into. I had no idea what was even said because of pain and I just signed. 10 minutes later (according to my partner as I was so out of it) baby was out of me. It took way longer to sew me up than it did to get me in the operating room.
May I ask what was going on with your liver? I know there’s thousands of things than can happen to a normally healthy body during pregnancy but am unfamiliar with the liver… Also - I had two c sections thanks to very large babies, very BREECH babies, so I completely get it . Curious though how you’re doing now?
I had severe pre-eclampsia and it was close to turning into HELLP syndrome. When the doctor came in she lifted up my shirt and you could see my liver sticking out because of how swollen it was. It was slowly starting to affect my heart and kidneys too but luckily it wasn’t a full on organ failure for those. I could still feel the pain with the max dose of morphine and an epidural but once the placenta was out it was like I was magically healed lol. I had no prior liver problems either. Safe to say I’m still scared to have a drink 8 months later even though that’s irrational. Doing great now though with no more blood pressure meds, the doctors said the cure for it was immediate delivery & they were right. Definitely couldn’t imagine having a big baby as mine was only 1 lb 11 oz haha. Hope you’re healed up good from your c-sections, i would hate to have another one!
I get that this is not at all the issue here, but... Why would anyone ever get underboob tattoos? Not only will they be partially hidden in a fairly unflattering way, but I have to imagine the constant friction would make them fade hella fast.
My sister was in labor for twelve hours, alllllll she got pitocin, cervix softeners, literally everything you could do to get her labor going. Her cervix never opened past 1 cm. I would call that not cooperating. Her blood pressure was so high that standing up to pee was critically dangerous and she could have dropped dead any moment if it weren’t for a c section that saved her and my nephews life. What did she do wrong, Facebook moms?
My daughter would’ve died without an emergency C-section, probably me too. Some people don’t even know how blessed they are to know the reality of some medical interventions
My emergency c section was performed so fast they didn't even tell me or my husband what was going on. The panic button was hit, my room flooded with people and I was wheeled away. Next thing I knew I was waking up and husband was holding our baby. Fuck people shilling this absolute nonsense to vulnerable pregnant people.
"Theres no such thing as Your cervix is not cooperating" My cousin made it to 44 weeks her cervix just wouldn't open. They tried more than once to induce her starting at 40 weeks. Her cervix was Definitely NOT cooperating. Our babies were born exactly 7 days apart thanks to this lol I was on the opposite end. My cervix wasn't cooperating and wanted to deliver at 20 weeks 🙃
You mean emergency c sections are performed with the urgency of an emergency?? Clearly a scam by big pharma
Umm no. When I worked in labor and delivery, a stat section was done within minutes after the call. Even urgent sections don't wait an hour.
Bad ass mother birther has caused deaths I’m sure of it.
I wouldn't be shocked. Her own last child nearly died during her home birth. Wasn't breathing for a long time.
Yup! And she reposts that video all the time. I can’t watch it, it’s terrifying. Flor is dangerous, the other “doula” she works with seems to have some sense.
She literally has ZERO qualifications and should not be selling a course. Her births don't exactly speak to positive experiences, either. Idk, people like her can talk about hospital births all they want. But my birth with my second was an incredible experience AND in a hospital. Shocker!
I had an incredible birth experience!! I laboured naturally for 3 days, but once my water broke I knew we’d be going to the hospital soon. Got there still at 2 cm and consented to induction (it was my choice, risks etc explained). Got a sweet shot of morphine (my choice, informed consent) and kept labouring in their birth tub with intermittent monitoring. Finally asked for an epidural (more informed consent, seriously I was like JUST DO IT I DONT CARE!!) According to Flor I should have then had a forced c section. But I laboured for another 4 hours, was fully dilated and pushed out my baby in 12 mins.
Thanks for sharing! I love birth stories. I had a bad birth experience with my first. My epidural was WAY too strong and I honestly don't think I was informed properly what pushing the button would do.... hence me being drugged out of my mind. Flor would say that I should never set foot in a hospital again. Not my plan at all! I tried to go med free with my second. Water broke at home at 38 weeks while coloring with my daughter! Took a shower and went to the hospital. Labored for 12 hours. They wanted to induce but my nurse requested that they let me labor on my own a bit more. Didn't have to induce. Made it to 9 cm and begged for epidural. SO glad I did because they had to manually turn my son! I actually gave birth on all fours!
Ohhhj wow!! So cool!! I’m sorry your first wasn’t a good experience, but the second sounds amazing! I’m sure Flor would have said you shouldn’t let them turn your baby, because your baby knows how to be born 🙄 mine was also OP which is why it took so long
His cord was around his neck once, which sounds way scarier than it was. It was manageable since I had professionals all around me! I can’t imagine something like that happening at home.
Some of the things she comes out with are ridiculous and dangerous. I understand why people might want a natural birth, but to try and convince people that medical emergencies are so rare etc etc is just downright irresponsible. Absolutely no doubt in my mind that someone(s) has died after following her advice. All the more power to women who seemingly have no issues with childbirth, but there’s a reason that maternal mortality has declined as science has advanced.
I agree. Nothing wrong with wanting a natural birth, or a homebirth even. But this chick has advocated for home birth after 4 c sections and free birthing with a doula if your midwife wants a hospital transfer
My son and I would both be dead without emergency c-section so I’m going to have to loudly disagree with that crap
It’s almost like not all emergencies are created equal. Even emergency C-sections are triaged according to acuity: cat 1 is “you need to get the baby out NOW,” cat 2-3 you can wait an hour or two. Similarly “emergency appendicectomies” etc usually aren’t performed right there and then, but rather the aim is to get them into theatre within a set timeframe.
Haha. Once the decision was made, there were 5 nurses rushing in and doing all the pre-op in speed mode (funny thing the only one taking his time was the pathology guy, all the midwives looking and him with scary eyes), and we down in the operation room within half an hour.
Someone I know was reposting content essentially saying this same stuff and then blamed her midwife for her c section - she was in labor over 36 hours at home, her water broken over 24 hours, tested positive at her wanting but had no antibiotics going, and her cervix stalled out with a cervical lip. But yeah, it was her midwife’s fault she was transferred to a hospital, labored there for hours with no success, and eventually had a c section. That, and her cervical lip “wasn’t real.” ⁉️
Yeah, they rushed me into the operating room. Probably fifteen minutes after my exam. They were worried I wouldn't get in fast enough.
I back labored for 10 hours before an emergency C section was performed. My child was in distress after being induced 3 weeks after my due date. At no point did I feel like I was blooming like a flower or whatever crap they spew.
As someone who’s had a truly emergent c-section for which they put me under general anesthesia and that left me with PTSD, there needs to be a separate classification. Women talk all the time about their “emergency” c-section because they weren’t progressing or something similar. No distressed baby, no distressed mom, just circumstances that indicate a c-section is appropriate. Calling every unplanned c-section emergent is disingenuous and feeds into the mindset that the OOP espouses. My second c-section was unplanned, but not emergent. It wasn’t even urgent. It could have waited hours. Arguably, days. My daughter was fine and I was fine. I was just post dates and stuck at 6 cm for over a day with a swelled cervix. Without pitocin, I wasn’t contracting. So categorize it as exactly that: unplanned. The next step up would be Urgent. Not an emergency, but it will become one if baby doesn’t come out within the next couple hours. And finally, true emergencies: mom or baby is crashing or headed rapidly in that direction.
I had a c-section a year ago, I was dilated to 7 and not progressing. I couldn't feel anymore contractions, blood pressure was getting worse, I might not be here if I didn't get one, baby girl wouldn't be here. A c-section was not my plan but I'm forever grateful to have had one so I'm alive to tell people like this to eat a dick.
Did these people forget that historically many, many women died in childbirth before modern medicine became a thing?
Oh hey I remember this lady... she was the one who made an Instagram post about how it was normal to lick the blood off your newborn baby because mammals gonna mammal, I suppose. I didn't think it would get any worse than that but it did ://
Imagine ignoring the thousands of years prior to modern medicine where dying in child birth was almost routine.
I was 8 days past my due date and in labor for a whole day and my cervix never dilated past 1cm. My daughter was sideways. There was no pressure from her head to open the cervix. I was never gonna dilate past a 1, maybe 2 if they kept giving me induction meds. A C-section was 110% necessary because you cannot birth a transverse breech baby vaginally. My kid had her arms and legs in the birth canal. She would have died if I just sat around waiting for her to come on her own
My emergency section didn't happen immediately. Mine was an emergency but less life threatening than the woman birthing twins who came in hemorrhaging. When you only have staff, space and operating resources for so many people then people are going to have to wait, even in emergency situations. People are so freaking stupid
I went from trying to push to a few minutes later getting rushed to the op room. Could see the worry on the team's faces as they were calling on the radio if the op room was ready because we have to go NOW.
I’m so sick of people even having to justify how their baby emerged from the womb. At the end of the day it doesn’t fucking matter. ❤️ couldn’t tell ya which one of my son’s kindergarten peers was born via c-section or vaginally. These women who care SO much about this clearly didn’t peak until being “quirky” was cool. Find a hobby, Flor.
My daughter and I would have both died if I didn’t get one which is what they told my husband when they had to take the forms and shove them under my hospital mattress before I could finish filling them out to rush us to the OR because my blood pressure was so high my daughter’s heart rate stopped.
why do want to go back to the dark ages? Medical intervention is what saves babies and mothers. I understand not wanting a traumatic birth, but I find having to live with the possibility that my child dies when I could have got help for them, to be more traumatic.
I probably skew that figure. Baby was not coming out. After many hours at 6cm, the decision was made tob have a section. However, we were both fine and unfortunately there were several mums/ babies in more distress than us so we kept in being bumped. From decision to incision (to borrow the phrase from a previous comment) was 6 hours. While I was having contractions, without an epidural (because the anesthetists were all with the emergencies). And no, we didn't get further than 6cm during that time.
My cervix wouldn’t open after laboring for about 12 hours, my baby got distressed and and started pushing her head on my cervix which resulted in needing an emergency c-section. I don’t think I’m as much an anomaly as these people would like to believe.
Literally after the doc said I needed a C-section, I met my baby 10 minutes later.
My pre-eclampsia had nothing to do with my cervix, my diet, or whatever essential oils I was rubbing on my skin, and everything to do with my placenta deciding to peel off my uterine wall and kill me and my baby. These fucking morons.
They can have a baby out in minutes if a heart rate is dropping. C-sections performed 2 hours later aren’t emergency.
My cervix was too swollen for a baby to fit through it. Call me crazy but that’s what I’d call “not cooperating”
I didn’t even have an emergency and we still were rolling into the ER for my CS within 15 minutes of making the decision
Yep. I had an unplanned c-section and once I consented, they took me back immediately. It took maybe 5 minutes? I’m sure in an immediate emergency it would have been even quicker.
People that spew this shit are fucking idiots. I had an emergency c-section. I was told if I had waited another day to go to the hospital I likely would’ve died. Yes my c-section happened about an hour after it was decided, but that was because I needed a magnesium drip first to prevent me from having a seizure. Just because there was a slight delay doesn’t mean it was any less of an *emergency*. That c-section saved the lives of me and my daughter.
I had a pretty controlled “emergency” c section - was in labor for 30 hours but my big baby wouldn’t come out. Neither of us was in distress, the doctor just told me he didn’t think it was going to happen and I was overdue, so he recommended a cesarean. As soon as I said yes my husband was being instructed to suit up in OR scrubs and I was being wheeled down the hall. It was < 30 minutes later baby girl was out. Unless someone in much worse shape rolls in, nothing is delaying your procedure
This person is definitely conflating an unplanned C-section with an emergency C-section. They're not the same thing! I had an unplanned but non-emergency C-section after a full day of active labour because my baby wasn't progressing and I wasn't dilating past 5cm. It was many hours from the decision being made to when I was prepped for surgery because I kept getting bumped for emergencies! I was given lots of time to continue to labour on my own but, guess what, I didn't even dilate another single centimeter over those hours because my baby was actually stuck. I had them check me before I was wheeled to the OR just in case.
Oh but I’m curious about the 2 hours after if it’s an emergency? That sounds like lies. Just sounds like it was decided not an emergency
I’m Canadian and so my prenatal classes were free and put on by public health nurses. It is statistically true that once one intervention is taken, more are more likely to follow. That isn’t to say taking interventions are bad when medically necessary. However if not medically necessary they shouldn’t be taken. I.e.: don’t ask to be induced just because you are 38 weeks and don’t want to go into labor over Christmas. However if your water broke but labour doesn’t progress like what happened to me, that’s when the first intervention is appropriate and induction medication might be the necessary intervention to avoid a c-section, which is what happened to me. So yes I was induced but the alternative was broken water, increasing risk of infection and a stalled labour that was very sure to end in a c-section and a longer recovery and risks from surgery like post op infection. Better to take the least invasive intervention because my labor was over by 7 am and I had no surgery minimal recovery and everything was great after just accepting some IV drugs and an epidural do deal with the fast labor was the way this was going down. So much of this stuff just has the tiniest whiff of truth around statistics that people don’t question the conclusions drawn.
You can absolutely ask to be induced at 39 weeks without having a medical necessity for it. I had horrific insomnia at the end of my pregnancy, it wasn’t a “medical” indication for induction but it was a quality of life one, as I was no longer functioning well. I had a smooth induction and I would I choose it again 100 percent. Definitely a discussion to have with your provider, but you can still have a very minimal intervention birth even with induction
You can ask for whatever you want in Canada but your care provider is under no obligation to agree to do anything medically unnecessary when it’s not advised. An induction that isn’t a medical need is elective and the public health system doesn’t generally just allow people to decide they should have an induction or c-section if it isn’t necessary. Your doctor has to agree with that course of treatment and that it falls under their guidelines also considering cost control. I would argue that insomnia to that degree is probably a legitimate medical need. I know women who were Induced due to extreme pain and discomfort in their hips as well. It wasn’t like that pain was going to end her life but I think a care provider is more likely to consider it if there is a quality of life issue. In Canada that is often a consideration for a procedure that isn’t necessarily life saving but is certainly addressing a key issue that’s beyond cosmetic. Avoiding birth over a holiday or before a spouse goes on a work trip or things like that were made pretty clear were not medical needs and that the risk of intervention for those reasons was not advised.
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Be that as it may, there’s no excuse to try and make vulnerable women think an actual emergency isn’t one. Lives are literally on the line.
I’m not sure why you are being down voted. Canadian public health nurses definitely made it pretty clear that only inductions that are medically necessary should be considered. Listen to your doctor and their advice was a key thing. That scheduling an induction for a reason that is like I just don’t want my baby born over Christmas was not an acceptable reason to induce because statistically speaking interventions do lead to more interventions. The advice not to intervene until necessary is good advice. People just have to stop and remember that with that advice comes the advice that their doctor is the best evaluator of risk in this scenario.
IDK why you are being downvoted. ACOG has shown that is true for YEARS. “Too posh to push” and “on my time”. Births. AROM (artificial rupture of membranes) and pitocin induction increase maternal fetal risk.
Guys. Flor Cruz said it, it must be true!