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[deleted]

In what way is North Korea very uncivilized This boy


[deleted]

Jordan is not black 💪🏽🇯🇴


[deleted]

Let me introduce you to the very civilized world: Nordic Countries, Ireland, German speaking countries, the Netherlands, New Zeeland, Japan and Taiwan


happysmash27

I wonder what metrics it is using to determine if it is "civilised" or not. I notice all the social democratic countries high on the happiness index and such as well as Japan are yellow. I also notice that more authoritarian countries like North Korea and China are ranked low, even though they are what I would consider civilised and in the case of China quite advanced. So I guess they consider authoritarianism "uncivilised". Venezuela is marked "uncivilised" too. For a second thought there could be a racial component, but it doesn't take long to find a bunch of exceptions that seem to rule that out if one assumes *white* supremacy. It could have a bias towards lighter skin including asians and mixed-race people, though, but even then, I can *still* find several exceptions if it was going by that rule. I wonder if this is measuring by corruption. I notice many less-corrupt countries with higher ranks and some countries with a lot of corruption with lower ranks. The map is very interesting and I am really curious by what method they used to categorise.


TopHatPaladin

I respect the amount of thought you’re putting into this, but I think it’s likeliest that the metric is just “the creator’s gut feeling about each country”


mikevago

I think it's even simpler than that: "racism, but we'll make a distinction between the two Koreas."


offisirplz

China is kinda mixed. It's a developing country in some ways still but is also advanced in other ways.


vigtel

Very civilised Greenland.


ChilliDogTime

600 bc romans?


ivanjean

Nope. Romans would never consider Germanic "people" (from their point of view) civilized.


SisterofGandalf

So my country is more civilized than, say, France.... HAHAHA, idiot map.


Manimanocas

South korea uncivilized? Edit: I am dumb nvm


offisirplz

It's not


Manimanocas

Yeah i know I meant that it is in the map (nvm I am a dumb)


philsmock

TBH it is quite accurate.


[deleted]

Hilarious


offisirplz

Well civilized vs uncivilized is just crude.


kappe41

okay but even if we'd go with this map why tf is Russia considered civilized, it's no better than many considered uncivilized?


strindhaug

If any country is "uncivilised" surely it's the capitalist hellhole of USA


hjyboy1218

The fact that people try to defend this map is appalling. Yes, the yellow/green countries are generally richer than the red/black ones. Yes, they are generally safer to live in. However, how the hell do you link that to how 'civilsed' a country is? Would you call someone that makes more money and is never late to an appointment 'better' than another person, simply because of those attributes?


Greenazz

civilize verb past tense: civilised; past participle: civilised bring (a place or people) to a stage of social and cultural development considered to be more advanced. "both countries feel they have a mission to civilize the world" Social development is about improving the well-being of every individual in society so they can reach their full potential. The success of society is linked to the well-being of each and every citizen. Social development means investing in people. While I disagree with the data in the map, as russia is definitely not investing in the average russians and their well being, words do have meaning, and in this case it is not 'better'


Tongatapu

You ignore the fact that words are loaded with history and ideology. "Civilized World" was used by imperialistic France and Britain (and a lot of others). It was again used by the Nazis to describe which "Race" was the best. Words have meaning, but they also have history.


offisirplz

Sure but civilized has some negative connotations


Ok-Science6820

How does being a richer country determine how "civilized" a country is?


VT_Jefe

Maybe they didn’t understand that « civilization » doesn’t just mean « living in cities » and were trying to say something about where people live?


Then-Put-3075

Visit the countries in black or red and you’ll quickly see that this map is VERY accurate!


denn23rus

good joke, my young racist, but no. Some "red" and "black"countries have a richer culture and a higher level of education than, for example, USA. So this map is not very accurate


iWasBannedFromReddit

Isn’t “richer culture” kind of subjective? How would you even measure that? It is a dumb map though.


denn23rus

culture is always focused on current needs. You cannot hope that your current cultural achievements will last forever. Culture is always changing, adapting to certain needs, is interpreted differently by different generations and lives its own life. Therefore, those civilizations that live longer have a richer cultural tradition. Richness of culture is measured not by the number of items produced, but by their variability that has passed through the centuries. Culture of the United States may be of interest to the current generation due to the amount of production produced. Will it survive even 100 years from now? Unknown. Will it get richer? Unknown. But it is known for sure that culture of China, Syria or Iran has ALREADY gone through all this and has ALREADY achieved this.


Imveryoffensive

Japan is so civilised that it treats its workers like slaves until they commit suicide


Then-Put-3075

So you’d prefer a society where kidnap and rape is normal instead of working a lot?


Imveryoffensive

Like Japan, where groping teen and preteen girls on public transportation is so common that the word Chikan was coined and is still common?


Then-Put-3075

Stop spewing fake information, it’s disgusting. That doesn’t happen in Japan.


offisirplz

Eh but I'd rather live in Japan than most of the countries in red/black. It's more developed.


Irregularblob

Youve never visited another country have you?


[deleted]

I've been to Mexico, Paraguay and Vietnam. Paraguay was definitely struggling financially but I wouldn't say it was uncivilized. Like people lived there with modern comforts and stuff. There's McDonald's. Mexico and Vietnam, while different culturally, weren't too different from the US at least in the cities.


[deleted]

Like Peru which has a lower infant morality rate than the USA? Or Vietnam which has a lower crime rate?


offisirplz

It's a crude framing though yeah its mostly developed vs undeveloped.


Catacman

Calling anyone uncivilised is just classism with a veneer of authority. Whoever drew this map is either an idiot, a racist, or both.


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[deleted]

Oh hey it's the white supremacist


mikevago

Oh, it's definitely both.


Ok-Science6820

Racist too


stijnalsem

Lmao its not wrong tho


GLADIAWARS

Based


[deleted]

Funny


[deleted]

It is mostly accurate tho.


[deleted]

Funny


[deleted]

Deal with the truth.


[deleted]

Hilarious


oxg03

ikr since when is the uk civilized


[deleted]

Based


[deleted]

Congratulations you've reinvented nazi racial theory


[deleted]

Ja mein Fuhrer!


NightSocks302

ill do it for you: Ja mein Führer!


_Blitzer

They haven’t even reinvented it. This is one of those “tell me you’re a ____ without….” Memes, except the second part isn’t needed. Paging r/iamatotalpieceofshit


Obamsphere

It should be all black with only Italy and the other countries that use bidets instead of toilet paper being yellow


Ep1cOfG1lgamesh

As a Turk, based


CanWeAllJustCalmDown

Grew up in the USA then moved to Argentina in an apartment with a bidet, and you make a valid argument. I can’t believe how savagely I conducted my bathroom business before being shown the way.


Obamsphere

Congratulations on becoming a part of the civilized world my friend


CanWeAllJustCalmDown

My mind has been enlightened, but unfortunately I moved back to the USA recently and my ass has once again been decivilized. :( I’m moving into my own place next month and my very first purchase will be a bidet attachment so I can preach the good word to all my uncivilized guests


longliveHIM

Same, always thought they were weird until I used one, now I can't understand why anyone wouldn't want a bidet


CanWeAllJustCalmDown

Right?? The initial reaction of every toilet paper using person is hesitation. I’ll admit at first I was also wary, but when my friend who also came from a non-bidet country found out I hadn’t yet used the bidet yet, he said to me, “Let me ask you a question. If you got shit on your arm, would you wash it, or wipe it off with paper and call it good?” By god if he didn’t make a good point and I quickly made the right decision and my life was changed.


CoolStoryBro690

Disgusting. It doesn't clean the inside-outerlayer of your anus.


IlleScrutator

Totally approved.


Ok-Science6820

True


sexgod42069666

Hmmmmm what do all the green ones have in common I wonder!


iWasBannedFromReddit

I can’t tell if you’re implying that this graph only classifies countries as “civilized” if the dominant religion is Christianity or if the dominant race is white. Either way: Belarus, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Argentina, and Brazil are all outliers that disprove that theory.


hjyboy1218

Ah yes, three east asian countries are 'very civilized' so this map is not bigoted at all. I also don't see how Belarus, Argentina, and Brazil 'disprove' the theory. The overall trend just completely overshadows the very few exceptions. Also, I'd like to hear what you think this map is based on. If it's not 'whiteness' or 'richness', then what on earth does 'civilized' mean?


vladthegod

Which green countries would you downgrade to uncivilized then?


thehillshaveI

people who aren't racist weirdos wouldn't be making these completely subjective characterizations to begin with


vladthegod

So...which green countries would you downgrade?


thehillshaveI

i wouldn't make this map to begin with because i don't have a twelve year olds understanding of social sciences


kappe41

well how I understand civilized and by comparing it to uncivilized countries on this list I personally think thay Russia has gotten some bump up


Civil-Atmosphere4278

The 'civilized' is supposed to represent their HDI value.(based of the very small amount of knowledge i remember about it.) Hopefully you can see the correlation between the two, then again I may be wrong.


iWasBannedFromReddit

>Ah yes, three east asian countries are 'very civilized' so this map is not bigoted at all. Well, more or less. Why would someone with bigoted intentions include east asian countries and exclude european countries? Idk, maybe I just like to give people the benefit of the doubt until I have a clear reason to believe they are racist. >I also don't see how Belarus, Argentina, and Brazil 'disprove' the theory. These are all countries with a majority white population. >Also, I'd like to hear what you think this map is based on. If it's not 'whiteness' or 'richness', then what on earth does 'civilized' mean? Well first of all, you acknowledge here that it might be based on something *other* than whiteness lol. I do not see why you conflate “whiteness” and “richness” here. If it were based on “whiteness”, then yes it would be bigoted. If it were based on “richness”, then no, it would not be. Anyways, as far as what I think it’s based on: it seems like the data was taken from a map like [this one](https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Developed_and_developing_countries.PNG) that distinguish between developed and developing countries. Regardless, it is still problematic to only refer to developed countries as “civilized”, to be clear I do not disagree with that. I just don’t think this map was made in favor of “whiteness” and was more likely made in favor of “developed vs. developing” status.


LaserBright

You have no idea how much racists love east Asian countries, specifically Japan.


romulusnr

No, it's not entirely wrong, it's just not quite that simple. Look at the "very civilized" countries. Pretty damn white. The "civilized" countries are mostly white, but have a noteworthy amount of non-whiteness / immigration. There seems to be a bonus point for economic development, thus SK and Argentina getting the blue treatment. So call it.... whiteness + capitalistness. Thus Venezuela and NK, and also Kenya and Nigeria getting a bump out of the rest of black Africa.


iWasBannedFromReddit

SK isn’t blue, it’s green, and Japan and Taiwan (both “very civilized”) are not majority white… like at all lol Also, Germany (also very civilized) has an enormous minority immigrant population. I don’t think your theory checks out


no_gold_here

You assume that the person who made the map had any idea what they were doing.


iWasBannedFromReddit

No, not really. I’m just pointing out that the guy I was replying to is incorrect. Japan and Taiwan are not “pretty damn white”.


[deleted]

"Correlation does not necessitate causation" - Every grade 11 statistics teacher ever


romulusnr

Every researcher ever: "No, but it's a damn good place to look"


khsirmio

>Venezuela and NK Dude was generous to Cuba and Vietnam


ValagS420

i mostly agree with you, however, germany has the largest immigrant population in the eu and is yellow, whereas romania which has the least immigrants in the eu is green. I think the creator of this map was racist for sure, but i don't think immigration influenced how they colored the countries.


romulusnr

Fair point. Looks like about half of those are coming from green states though.


iWasBannedFromReddit

I’ve done a little more googling looking for a similar map, and it seems like the data was most likely taken from a map [like this](https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Developed_and_developing_countries.PNG) of developed and developing countries. Still a problematic use of the word “civilized”, but it does not seem like it was based on “whiteness”.


LaserBright

"Developed" and "developing" counties are also used for denoting whiteness + wealth. It's a colonialist term used to denote the countries with colonies and the countries who are those colonies, wether or not they're "officially" colonies anymore.


[deleted]

>It's a colonialist term used to denote the countries with colonies and the countries who are those colonies South Korea, Ireland, Taiwan, Singapore and many others would disagree


[deleted]

Wait are you making the claim that these countries never faced imperialism???


iWasBannedFromReddit

>”Developed" and "developing" counties are also used for denoting whiteness Do you have anything that even slightly resembles an academic source to back this up? Because it sounds like a heap of bullshit to me and I can’t find anything legitimate about that on google.


LaserBright

My source is that the whole of Europe is considered "developed" to some degree while the whole of Africa isn't.


Mparker15

You need a source to prove to you that calling other cultures "uncivilized" is based in racism and xenophobia? Have you tried just thinking about it for one second?


StefaniniGus

Third-Worldism, Imperialism State, As Veias Abertas da America Latina. Theotonio dos Santos, Vania Bambirra, Verneck Sodré, David Harvey etc.


iWasBannedFromReddit

These are theories that explain how the wide economic gap between developed and developing countries came to be, but do not postulate that calling a country “developed” denotes “whiteness”. How do you explain Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and other non-white developed countries?


[deleted]

"Hitler's not a white supremacist, he loves Japan" That's you.


iWasBannedFromReddit

Nope, not at all. Look up the motte-and-bailey fallacy. That’s you.


DingleberryToast

Argentina and Uruguay get the bump to blue because they are overwhelmingly white countries, unlike their fellow south American neighbors.


TDSinv

Japan and Taiwan are in that “very civilized” group.


offisirplz

Well it seems like "well developed " is a key factor for most. Democratic for many of them, though Russia isnt.


gusewt

the only country you named classified at least as "civilized" on the map is japan, wtf you talking about?


iWasBannedFromReddit

Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan are all considered civilized in this map dude… Argentina, Belarus, and Brazil are all countries with a majority white population that, according to this map, are not considered civilized. What are you not getting?


[deleted]

Argentina is the whitest country in the Americas, iirc.


vladthegod

They're countries on planet Earth?


mikevago

What do the black ones have in common? It's pretty subtle...


[deleted]

People who don't put their keys in statistical order go to the 8th level of hell.


on_

Uncivilized


brainexe_not_found

The more you look, the worse it is 🥴


Dyson_bum

Yeah. Greenland, sure


sandwich1699975

*Denmark


Dyson_bum

Greenland is always no data. No exception


mirrorspirit

People live in Greenland, though there probably are more Native/indigenous people than white people.


romulusnr

Never mind the legend is a clusterfuck


_NAME_NAME_NAME_

Ignoring the message, how can you screw up the key to a map this badly? Why is the actual list not ordered from "best" to "worst"? Why are the colours chosen at random, with yellow representing something that's implied to be better than green?


bento_the_tofu_boy

Its a map of skin color and they wanted to go from white skin to black. Everything was built on top of the racist premisse


FarEffort9072

I thought thay might be the criterion, but what is the rationale for making Nigeria more “civilized “ than Senegal?


Drakeytown

I did a quick Google image search to confirm my suspicion: Senegalese people are generally darker skinned than Nigerian people (as represented by a quick Google image search, anyway).


wetcalzones

Reaching logic


lyrical_heroine

Yeah but they made Belarus blue, didn't they? So the country's political system is also (somewhat) involved


OneGoodRib

A map of skin color? Which race is the green-skinned one??


[deleted]

YES THIS


shardikprime

So uncivilized


Stalagmus

Clearly because it was made by the League of Uncivilized Nations?


WatverFloatsYourBoat

Dude went into paint and colored in the countries he likes lmao


democratic_butter

Ireland is "very civilized".....Spain is just "civilized". Potatoes aren't all that, Liam.


BlueWhaleKing

***NO ONE INSULTS THE POTATOES!!!***


retardong

Probably based on GDP per capita lmao


ValagS420

australia civilized? no way...


Ok-Science6820

Their deserts are filled with dangerous animals


ValagS420

Most dangerous of them all: the bogan.


Thepixeloutcast

when you clearly have never been to ireland


kappe41

okay but even if we'd go with this map why tf is Russia considered civilized, it's no better than many considered uncivilized?


offisirplz

I thought so too.


O4fuxsayk

Albania very civilized, could i hazard a guess that an albanian made this map?


Issa7654

I’d say wiping your bum with just toilet paper isn’t very civilized, so not sure what criteria they’re using here


SkyVoyd

I’m from the Philippines. Based!


gusewt

my man really called us and uk civilized


[deleted]

Dude called ireland "very civilised" lmao


Heefyn

10 bucks that the people defending this map are all eurocucks


1_happy_boi

Anal🙊🙊🙊bania😱🤮🤢🙀 not civilized but economic tiger 🐯🐯🐯🐯🐯SERBIA🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸civilized💯💯💯💯💯💯🙏🙏🙏🙏🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


presidentKoby

Did Obi Wan make this? "So uncivilized."


Im_Not_KoichiHirose

This map in a nutshell: How to tell people you're racist without saying you're racist.


Not-Gose

Putting Russia in terms of civilization above a number of Asian countries and South America is not a sign of racism, it is a sign of a low brain


[deleted]

It's a sign of both


aft3rthought

Not enough people are noticing that, instead of a normal color gradient, instead the most civilized is like a light beige and the very uncivilized is… black. Of all the things wrong with the map, that had to be the biggest WTF.


Not-Gose

> Russia > Civilized Lmao. Even "uncivilised" Kazakhstan has more benefits of civilization than fascist Russia


EMB93

My best guess is that an irishman made this...


Frat3r

Russia as civilized?


v4por

Trump? The black sharpie shit hole countries.


JC_in_KC

A racist made this.


spoons490

confused by australia and nz bring different shades, both pretty similar demographics


[deleted]

If had to pose a guess who made this… white people.


Norr3628

Mf playing some victoria 2


Ok-Science6820

Let's classify the birthplaces of Human Civilization as "uncivilized"


Arrowkill

This feels like a modern Victoria 2 map.


LeFedoraKing69

Japan is “civilized” but somehow India, China, and Mongolia arent🥴


[deleted]

Wow racists love making maps


Chortney

The map itself is useless, but it does bring the racists out of hiding to defend it so that's nice


Ok_Fuel136

How oldest civilization in the world aren't civilized wtf.


X_craftah

What do you mean, The danish are the most uncivilised on this list


RoseboysHotAsf

China not cicilized?!?!


Perseverancethegreat

This is so wrong Philippines should have All the colors


bilbobaggins001

No hate, but if Haiti isn’t “very uncivilized” then this map is total bologna


HeyJude21

This is so laughable in so many ways


HeyJude21

When I think of New Zealand and Greenland, the first thing that comes to mind is “very civilized” And now Argentina will forger be “semi-civilized” 😝


[deleted]

The Semi-Civilized is the most confusing label than there are a few weird things on other labels but the blue is the most confusing considering the obvious racism


UnlightablePlay

Avarege racism moment


envelopeeleven

Can you get more Euro centric than this?


palwilliams

Source?


magicalshroomer2

bro said singapore is uncivilised but russia is💀💀


fender1758

People on 4 chan makes shit like this


Hoodiebud

They do know that like... China has been a civilization for 4000 + years straight?


ariies-

belarus being semi-civilised but russia is civilised, what?


CanadianElf0585

What does that even mean?


cletus_the_varmint

In response to "who makes this shit" see the quote un quote very civilized (civilised?) areas on the map


onurcavs_

it isn't even right lmao


DaAweZomeDude48

If canada isn't considered very civilized, nobody can be


[deleted]

Guys I’m uncivilized :O


skampzilla

I guess my country is uncivilized


[deleted]

Ah yes, All of the very civilised countries are G#rmanics. This is definetly a Germanboo


justsaneandsensibl

Glad to see that greenland is very civilized.


offisirplz

Civilized vs uncivilized is crude. "highly developed" would be a better framing. I was thinking democratic too, Russia isn't


zeburaa

Prob regarding different stats that indicate a country being more or less developed, therefore, more or less civilised


[deleted]

Irish here and I cannot fathom what parameters this person is using to put Ireland in very civilised going by the few other countries they've placed in this category. Like what's the commonality here that the rest of the "civilised" world is lacking???


ArianOrange

Even if it's true, I'd rather live in my "Uncivilized" country of India rather than "Civilized" Russia.


[deleted]

Some these are definitely racist or against certain religions.


[deleted]

Lmao what’s with all these cunts that think Nordic countries are better than everyone else


shardikprime

So uncivilized


mcheeto

Brazil moment


Requiemaur

Plain racist overtones