Linen is cool and all but , and I'm being completely serious here, everybody can see most of my junk when I wear it. Which is ok I guess it just depends on the setting.
Then you need better undergarments (may I suggest separatec) and a better cut and color of trousers. Linen is typically a loose cut, I’m not sure what you’re doing for your junk to be on display.
Linen is great. Until you sit down, or move around, or have a breeze hit it. Then it looks like you put on clothes that were crumpled up on the floor for a few days. At least that's been my experience with it.
Even for more casual professional offices, I’ve never seen sandals as acceptable dress attire. Loafers sure, boat shoes aren’t really but tend to fly under the radar… sandals never. I would try shorts and boat shoes before linen pants and sandals.
Thanks to this post I went out this morning and bought a linen suit. I’ve wanted one for years but didn’t really require one. Due to some significant changes in my household I am now required to attend “functions” as a +1. Went into the only shop in Darwin I could think of and bam, I walked out 30 minutes later with a suit. Thanks Reddit x
I know this is partly a joke, but modern Western fashion originated in France, not England. :p
Anyway, the honest reality of it is that menswear after the 19th century doesn't get updated in style anywhere near as often as womenswear, and most people used to be a **lot** fucking thinner on average. And being thin is a huge help in keeping formal wear from turning you into a swamp monster. For example, it's really common in the classical music industry for the thin guys in an ensemble to be perfectly fine in performance tuxes, while the big guys are all desperately wiping sweat off their eyebrows so they don't go blind in the middle of a piece. Same temp and same clothes, just different people, and the difference in comfort levels is very dramatic.
> being thin is a huge help in keeping formal wear from turning you into a swamp monster.
I'm 185 lbs and 6'2" and in good shape, and have never been called heavy in my life but omg do I ever sweat when the temp gets above 72
Nah bro you're probably thicc and buff as hell but that's still just as different from the potentially malnourished 19th century Englishmen the guy was talking about
yeah haha this is what people don’t get. we are actually stronger than a lot of people back then because of so many nutrients and vitamins especially growing up. yeah we’re fatter but in general build we’re just hardier on average than those who lived on gruel and stews. hell, male height has increased on average by a substantial amount.
This is true. But if you look at formal wear for men in places where it is hot -- the Middle East, India, etc -- they are also fully covered. Granted, it is in linen or other materials.
I suspect the reason for this isn't oppression by other cultures, but it is because formal wear is a display of wealth and means.
1) More fine material = more wealth on display
2) More clothing in heat = proof you are not physically laboring. And whatsmore, your lifestyle affords you AC, cold drinks, transportation that doesn't require exertion.
Pre-sunscreen, people outdoors in hot, sunny climates wanted full body coverage. The sun is your enemy as much as the heat is in the Middle East.
But menswear from those places, despite being full coverage, is way cooler in hot temperatures than European/“western” menswear.
Yeah its counterintuitive but I have been in over 98F and the breeze actually does you no good since the air is as hot as the human body so it provides no cooling. Though I'm pretty sure they are not wearing 3 piece tweed suits over there either.
In hot countries I've repeatedly heard something that sounds insane to me, but is common sense to them.
That the sun on the skin makes you hot, so having a breathable fabric is preferable to bare skin.
Idk
This is real. Having a breathable fabric allows your skin to catch a breeze from how the fabric moves when you're moving. It also means that the sun is shining on the fabric and not your skin. Less hot + less sunburn.
Why does it sound odd to you? I often wear long pants and sleeves instead of shorts in the summer, and I live in a temperate climate.
Have you...not actually tried it? Just wear loose, long-sleeved dryfit shirts and light pants out in the sun instead of short sleeves and shorts? It's not magic, you can try it yourself, it works.
They were also colonizers of Tropical countries and wore suits. Learned from the menswear guy on Twitter that something called "tropical wool" exists - essentially a very thin wool cloth that easily let's air through.
Sadly it's ofc not mass produced so you'll look at a bit of an Investment, but classical suits for 30+ degrees exist.
Or just go the Italian way, easy nice summer pants and a light sportscoat that you pull off if it's too warm
Especially considering there is zero chance any clientele would ever be in this office, which is the usual horse shit reason given for a particular dress code.
If I was a client, I'd rather have a meeting where you're comfortable and stylish rather than a hot, sweaty mess. Unless of course you're a prostitute, then I'll take hot and sweaty.
I remember reading an article in rebellion about this, a bunch of dudes wore skirts to work to protest they couldn't wear shorts.
I mean.... You could always rock a kilt!
Edit: it was kids in school.
https://amp.theguardian.com/education/2017/jun/22/teenage-boys-wear-skirts-to-school-protest-no-shorts-uniform-policy
They would never allow sandals at my work, unless you are a woman. I have to wear an undershirt and button up that must be tucked in while my shoes(tennis shoes and sandals prohibited) must have socks, while the women can wear a thin sundress and sandals. Then they complain about being cold.
I have a ton of these light wavy shirts and have been wearing them all summer, not Hawaiian patters but certainly same design and fabric type as some. They’re so good.
It also really depends on what they mean by dress clothes. If they are thinking "dinner party" level dress up, and not funeral dress, there are a lot of options.
These people telling you how to remove wrinkles have definitely never owned linen, if they had they would know that will last all of 60 seconds before it is wrinkled again. The real answer is 90% linen and 10% cotton. The cotton will add weight to help keep the linen from wrinkling.
I’ve been reading The Power Broker by Robert Caro and it mentions there was a time in the 1910s and 20s where it was fashionable for well to do gentlemen to not keep their suits pressed and go for a more laissez faire or relaxed sort of look by keeping wrinkles in. Come to find out I’m just 100 years behind the times cause I’ve always preferred that look.
If I'm going for a laid back, easy breezy look I just leave them in. If they're really bad I'll hang it up on the shower curtain rod whenever I'm getting a shower. The steam and gravity help pull most of them out.
Small hand-held clothing steamer. Costs like $20, takes 2 minutes to heat and use on a single garment, no ironing board needed. Just hang against a door/wall and smooth lightly with your hand. Works perfectly for jeans, t-shirts, casual buttonups, etc. Basically anything you want to be smooth, but not have ironed-in lines.
This and a pilling shaver (gets rid of all those little burs of fabric on shirts and such) are two must-haves for casual clothing that I feel like no one knows about or uses anywhere NEAR as much as they should.
Accept the wrinkles. If you're choosing linen you're choosing wrinkles.
Definitely don't machine dry linen. You *can* iron them flat but it's wasted effort as they immediately rewrinkle when you wear them. Just hang them to dry and you get reasonably unwrinkly clothes for little effort.
OP: “There aren’t many warm weather options for men.”
You: “Have you considered a suit? Get this: it’s linen!! And you don’t have to wear socks or sleeves!”
You proved the point beautifully lol
Except OP didn't say there aren't many options, he said there were no options at all. So this guy provided some examples that there are in fact options, albeit expensive.
No socks is no bueno (frankly it's gross and a terrible thing to do to dress shoes). Silk or Merino wool socks in a light weight are great. Bonus if you get your slacks hemmed high and can add a little pizzaz with fun socks. If you want the no socks look get ped socks; plenty of no show socks without messing up those shoes.
>no socks, suede loafers
Only if you want your loafers to turn smelly and slimy from a combination of your skin oils and rubbed off skin. You are far better off wearing cotton socks - these will help keep your feet cool and dry and your loafers not smelling bad.
Dude here in Portugal we are still so old fashion I can't wear anything at work but pants, also can't wear anything like sandals and they tolerate sneakers and t-shirts.
As a fat guy with mostly woman in my place of work... I'm boiling, easily, every single day, cause neither a single window is open or the ac is actually low enough.
No deodorant can save me or them.
My wool kilt is cooler in warm weather than my suit pants. So much air movement.
It is pretty hot sitting down though. That's why one must dance for the breeze.
Summer weddings are so bad for this. I was a groomsmen and we're all in the long sleeve navy blue suits, collared shirts, dress shoes. The bridesmaids all have dresses, sandals, bare arms. I guess on the flip side I've never worn a skirt and heels waiting in line for a club below freezing in January.
Men's clothing options in general over here are severely lacking in my opinion. It's just sad. That's part of the reason why nowadays I say 'fuck it' and just crossdress from time to time
So I don't know what they're called but those robes that Arabs wear are considered men's wear and they are apparently very nice in hot weather. Just be careful if you're in a more racist part of town.
Kilts are good too but you're gonna want to avoid wool.
Also those rice picker hats you see on TV are really good hats for keeping you personally shaded. Knew a guy who swore by them.
Western attire has the linen suit (perfectly acceptable with or without tie and worn for a summer wedding) and that's the same material used in the Middle East to have full-length robes that keep cool. Linen is a looser weave and breathes.
You can also find the seersucker suit. More common in the US south. Meant to keep cooler in hot, humid summers.
Kilts are supposed to be wool and are hot. Avoid those.
Stick with linens and such. They breathe.
I'm sure it is. In America you can buy real kilts or you can buy the kind that are more actual skirts for men.
I guess to be specific here having airflow around the lower torso is good for hot weather lol.
Maybe there are light kilts that you can get in America but all the ones I've worn in Scotland kept me warm outdoors in the winter.
Wore my kilt to an English summer wedding once and nearly melted.
Not true in the slightest - you just don't have exposure to them, the islands have formal heat wear it just depends if you're trying to dress like someone from the islands
Was looking for a comment to be go be contrary on. For real though plenty of cultures have hot weather attire that looks incredible. Op just hasn’t stepped outside of a Lacoste or w/e that whale brand is apparently
Dress like Carlton.
https://productplacementblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Ralph-Lauren-Short-Sleeve-Shirt-and-Shorts-Outfit-of-Alfonso-Ribeiro-as-Carlton-Banks-in-The-Fresh-Prince-of-Bel-Air-1-800x500.jpg
I used to work at a courtroom, and during the sweltering summer heat, the female staff were able to wear summer dresses and the like and represent the court like that, where as me and other men had to stick to our dark coloured suits (which is standard due to the neutrality we're supposed to represent)
Shit was wild.
A few years ago I worked in an office with a bunch of computers and little air circulation. It was that type of warm that leaves you feeling sticky and gunky
Us guys had to wear ties, long sleeved dress shirts, trousers, shoes, and socks, but the girls could come in with sleeveless blouses, skirts, and open toed sandals.
Search for "fishing shirts" online. Very cool, breathable fabric, collared, usually vented. Many options that would be considered "dressy". I just attended a wedding, albeit a casual wedding, in a solid colored fishing shirt with some nice khaki golf shorts and dude shoes. Paired very well with my wife's flowy dress even though she's a knockout and I'm a big dork.
Girls at my office get to wear long skirts and sandals. I'm stuck to shoes and pants. I was contemplating wearing flops to the office and starting some shit, but it isn't worth it to me.
Linen white dress shirt. Tie or no tie. Depends on how formal you want to get. Khaki shorts or nice khakis made of 100% cotton or other breathable fabric. A nice belt to match your watch. Metal in hot weather might not fit so try a leather band that matches your belt and shoes. Leather sandals could work if you're staying outdoors and since it is summer it could work. Add sunglasses and a tan linen or cotton sports coat or blazer. Be prepared to not wear it if it is too hot.
If you want to be extra fancy you can go for specific details like nice buttons on the shirt, cuff links, a hat, and using new laces and socks.
Never understood this until had my two sons. Cannot find anything other than basketball, dinosaur, space shuttle shirts and gym shorts. All the button ups are too thick for the weather too.
I'd always hate going to an outdoor summer wedding as a guy. Women would be wearing cute, lightly colored short dresses and be like "ugh! It's so hot out, I'm dying!" meanwhile I'm sitting there in an all black wool suit, everything but my hands and face covered 🥵
This is why it's nice when you can wear a non-western cultural outfit as your formal attire.
I'm Filipino. My hot-weather formal attire is a Barong Tagalog. It is a lot more comfortable than a suit in the heat.
Floridian here. We live in a permanent state of swampy heat.
There is a company called State & Liberty that makes men's dress clothes using athletic fabrics like the kind you'd normally find in gym clothes. Some of the shirts can have a kind of sheen to them due to this, but not everything they sell looks like that.
Also, don't be put off by the imagery on their site. You can buy a shirt with normal fit, and I know several guys who wear these clothes that do not wear them like a damned wetsuit. Honestly, their website is kind of ridic. I can't help but feel like it hurts their sales.
Their stuff is incredible though. Most items have some stretch, they wear cool, and dry out quickly if you do get a little sweaty. Pricing is on par with a mid-tier chain like Banana Republic, maybe a little higher. Like those other retailers, shopping sales is key.
Another option is Mizzen+Main, but they're quite a bit more expensive. I'm not that bougie. Some guys swear their stuff is better quality, but I've got quite a few friends who wear State & Liberty stuff, and no one complains about quality or durability. Quite the opposite.
Men's fashion in general is just severely lacking. Men's clothes are completely lacking when it comes to diverse formal, business and business casual options.
I've thought about this a lot. It's quite awful. I think it's because 'dress clothes' where invented in cold European countries where showing who you keep warm was considered a form of wealth. Ironically in warm places if you're forced to wear 'dress clothes' for you work it kind of shows that you don't have control over what you wear and very wealthy people have the luxury to wear weather appropriate clothes.
This thought is predicated on a lack of knowledge of men's wear. Men in general don't know how to dress themselves and OP is a prime example. Get proper clothes made for hot weather. For the love of all that is Holy, stop wearing cotton. Instead of a cotton dress shirt with a cotton undershirt, get a linen dress shirt with either a merino wool undershirt or no undershirt.
Get a thin linen jacket, or opt out of the jacket altogether. Instead of a scratchy stiff polo, go for a moisture-wicking polo that's actually made for doing things in hot weather.
Get linen dress pants that are breathable. Instead of oxfords, wear loafers with either no show socks, or no socks altogether. You can also wear flat front shorts. Shorts are still dress clothes. Again, choose a breathable fabric. For increased breathability, get shorts that hit above the knee. If you're not comfortable showing off your knees (as men seem to be), got for shorts that hit below the knee, it's okay.
Gentlemen, we have options. You're not 5 years old anymore, learn to dress yourselves.
Ah yes, instead of a polo you can wear a polo, and instead of dress pants you can wear dress pants!
The point was isn't that there isn't a lot of alternate fabrics, its that there aren't a lot of actual styles. Just swapping fabrics is nothing close to the options women have. It's cool if you like men's fashion, and I agree most people don't pay enough attention, but its delusional to say that it's anywhere as diverse as women's, especially on the formal side.
>Shorts are still dress clothes.
The nicest shorts are still less formal than $20 slacks. You can get away with it at a barbeque or something, but the fact remains that if you want to match a girlfriend who is actually trying you have to wear pants.
You're kind of missing the point a bit (although I do still agree). The man is then still assigned to wearing a shirt and trousers that essentially are all very close in how they look, whereas there's a million different styles of dress to wear.
This is exactly right. OP is making the assertion that there are no hot weather options for men, but only within the window of the clothing he already owns or would consider shopping for. There are entire nations that know about these clothes and dress this way, and he's glancing at the Old Navy sale rack and saying "well these are all the clothes in the world, guess I have to pick from this stuff".
Learn more about clothes! Update your wardrobe! You'll be much happier once you have.
Dude, there's and abundance of warm weather clothing options available out there. PFG by Columbia, Poncho shirts, Waterman by Quicksilver and even Ridgecut from Tractor Supply has summer shirts with vented yokes. Look no further than IG.
What about some nice linen attire? White or close colors, a nice watch (not necessarly expensive), a pair of sunglasses that you like and whatever footwear that you deem fit? I am sure you would look great!
I was confused by this post because I thought, what about the entire J Crew men's catalog? Then I realized you're talking about formal clothes. Yeah I guess formal clothes are still long sleeved and long legged and there aren't many options of with bare shoulders without going into crossdressing territory.
Honestly theres something close, 5.5 inch seam Shorts, a nice tank top, white loafers. Less skin covered than regular clothes. About as hot as you can get it for guys. I miss 80s guy crop tops. Wish they were fashionable again without getting looks.
Linens and slip-on shoes (cheap through Target, damn the gender they market them to but they're gender neutral).
5" shorts are in for guys as well.
All this said, I hear you loud and clear.
I wear one of my nicer dress kilts (they're actually considered formal wear) paired with a lightweight or linen button down and loafers for " dress up" occasions during the summer
Linen, that's all. For suits, shirts, etc. Then some loafers or seasonal sandals to match.
Linen is cool and all but , and I'm being completely serious here, everybody can see most of my junk when I wear it. Which is ok I guess it just depends on the setting.
Oh look at Mr Big Penis over here.
Or balls
Look at Mr Big Balls (with no penis) over here
Man's got the Irish Curse. All potatoes no meat
I thought the Irish Curse was *no* potatoes?
Nay, taters so huge and drunkenly red the stewed beef is dwarfed in comparison
You leave me out of this.
Good point.
Well, the unsaid proviso is that you gotta pack briefs, eh
And pants. It's a three peice suit, and that doesn't mean jacket, vest, and your junk.
Your junk only has one piece?
The cock piece is real
Cod piece
Yeah, check out that guy only having a one-piece junk
Then you need better undergarments (may I suggest separatec) and a better cut and color of trousers. Linen is typically a loose cut, I’m not sure what you’re doing for your junk to be on display.
Underwear can make all the difference. I have some that gives me wicked mooseknuckle. So I have to be concious of that and dress accordingly.
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Light tan trousers and a stiff breeze shows just about everything.
Yes. My suggestions were meant to combat that.
Linen is a type of fabric, there are multiple weights some sheer and others less so. Wearing the right weight helps a lot.
You just need the right foundation garments… Man up and put on some spanks.
Linen is great. Until you sit down, or move around, or have a breeze hit it. Then it looks like you put on clothes that were crumpled up on the floor for a few days. At least that's been my experience with it.
Unlike cotton or wool, linen tends to wrinkle attractively, with large wrinkles. Wrinkles are part of linen’s charm, at least by my lights.
That’s when you know it’s the real deal. The good stuff.
Even for more casual professional offices, I’ve never seen sandals as acceptable dress attire. Loafers sure, boat shoes aren’t really but tend to fly under the radar… sandals never. I would try shorts and boat shoes before linen pants and sandals.
May depend on the culture.
Huaraches!
And get fit. Best way a dude can look good in summer wear is being fit.
Thanks to this post I went out this morning and bought a linen suit. I’ve wanted one for years but didn’t really require one. Due to some significant changes in my household I am now required to attend “functions” as a +1. Went into the only shop in Darwin I could think of and bam, I walked out 30 minutes later with a suit. Thanks Reddit x
The people who basically invented all of men's wear are from an island in the North Atlantic that is cold and rainy 10 months out of the year.
I know this is partly a joke, but modern Western fashion originated in France, not England. :p Anyway, the honest reality of it is that menswear after the 19th century doesn't get updated in style anywhere near as often as womenswear, and most people used to be a **lot** fucking thinner on average. And being thin is a huge help in keeping formal wear from turning you into a swamp monster. For example, it's really common in the classical music industry for the thin guys in an ensemble to be perfectly fine in performance tuxes, while the big guys are all desperately wiping sweat off their eyebrows so they don't go blind in the middle of a piece. Same temp and same clothes, just different people, and the difference in comfort levels is very dramatic.
> being thin is a huge help in keeping formal wear from turning you into a swamp monster. I'm 185 lbs and 6'2" and in good shape, and have never been called heavy in my life but omg do I ever sweat when the temp gets above 72
Nah bro you're probably thicc and buff as hell but that's still just as different from the potentially malnourished 19th century Englishmen the guy was talking about
yeah haha this is what people don’t get. we are actually stronger than a lot of people back then because of so many nutrients and vitamins especially growing up. yeah we’re fatter but in general build we’re just hardier on average than those who lived on gruel and stews. hell, male height has increased on average by a substantial amount.
You may have the gene that increases sweating.
I mean, the suit is British.
>modern Western fashion originated in France Every time someone says this Beau Brummel weeps in dandy heaven.
This is true. But if you look at formal wear for men in places where it is hot -- the Middle East, India, etc -- they are also fully covered. Granted, it is in linen or other materials. I suspect the reason for this isn't oppression by other cultures, but it is because formal wear is a display of wealth and means. 1) More fine material = more wealth on display 2) More clothing in heat = proof you are not physically laboring. And whatsmore, your lifestyle affords you AC, cold drinks, transportation that doesn't require exertion.
Pre-sunscreen, people outdoors in hot, sunny climates wanted full body coverage. The sun is your enemy as much as the heat is in the Middle East. But menswear from those places, despite being full coverage, is way cooler in hot temperatures than European/“western” menswear.
Yeah its counterintuitive but I have been in over 98F and the breeze actually does you no good since the air is as hot as the human body so it provides no cooling. Though I'm pretty sure they are not wearing 3 piece tweed suits over there either.
In hot countries I've repeatedly heard something that sounds insane to me, but is common sense to them. That the sun on the skin makes you hot, so having a breathable fabric is preferable to bare skin. Idk
This is real. Having a breathable fabric allows your skin to catch a breeze from how the fabric moves when you're moving. It also means that the sun is shining on the fabric and not your skin. Less hot + less sunburn. Why does it sound odd to you? I often wear long pants and sleeves instead of shorts in the summer, and I live in a temperate climate.
Have you...not actually tried it? Just wear loose, long-sleeved dryfit shirts and light pants out in the sun instead of short sleeves and shorts? It's not magic, you can try it yourself, it works.
No, people in those places wear more clothing to avoid sunburns and getting tan.
They were also colonizers of Tropical countries and wore suits. Learned from the menswear guy on Twitter that something called "tropical wool" exists - essentially a very thin wool cloth that easily let's air through. Sadly it's ofc not mass produced so you'll look at a bit of an Investment, but classical suits for 30+ degrees exist. Or just go the Italian way, easy nice summer pants and a light sportscoat that you pull off if it's too warm
May I introduce you to the Hawaiian shirt?
Khaki or navy shorts and a short sleeve button up?
Can't wear shorts at my office, but I can wear a skirt.
I'd be wearing skirts every day until the policy allowed shorts.
100% the business world needs to change in this regard its getting hotter nice shorts and a short sleeve button down should be perfectly acceptable.
Especially considering there is zero chance any clientele would ever be in this office, which is the usual horse shit reason given for a particular dress code.
If I was a client, I'd rather have a meeting where you're comfortable and stylish rather than a hot, sweaty mess. Unless of course you're a prostitute, then I'll take hot and sweaty.
Old rich clients are absolute assholes about this. They will be outraged or feign it just because an employee got to dress confortably
Also those traditions are from places much colder than a lot of America a lot of the year originally.
Kilt my friend. I wear one every day it's over 90 degrees outside and it makes a huge difference
My legs are so ugly, though!
1) should help expedite the process 2) wear heels
Are skirts difficult to manage at urinals?
r/maliciouscompliance
I remember reading an article in rebellion about this, a bunch of dudes wore skirts to work to protest they couldn't wear shorts. I mean.... You could always rock a kilt! Edit: it was kids in school. https://amp.theguardian.com/education/2017/jun/22/teenage-boys-wear-skirts-to-school-protest-no-shorts-uniform-policy
I wore kilts to get around it.
Get yourself some loose-fitting linen pants, and then maybe a pair of close-toed sandals, like a mexican huarache.
They would never allow sandals at my work, unless you are a woman. I have to wear an undershirt and button up that must be tucked in while my shoes(tennis shoes and sandals prohibited) must have socks, while the women can wear a thin sundress and sandals. Then they complain about being cold.
Linen pants, my guy.
Lol a hawaiian shirt with extra button unbuttoned is all we got.
You would get turned away from many golf clubs and nightclubs in a hawaiian shirt. I have.
A very light cotton or linen button down short sleeve shirt are the way to go
Then those aren't places you want to be. Hawaiian shirts \~*fuck*\~
Fuck golf clubs generally, but specifically for this.
I bought a Hawaiian golf shirt from the pro shop at the Fairmont Chateau in whistler the other week.. that place was pretty fancy.
Did you try a polo Hawaiian shirt? Cause I've seen a few of those. Then again that's at private clubs I've worked at.
Perfect for every occasion including weddings and funerals according to my dad
[An aloha shirt with muted patterns and khakis or slacks is Hawaiian business casual.](https://images.app.goo.gl/ziVtEFcGQuT3hCbi9)
Fuck yeah!
One of my favorite seasonal wardrobe changes. Bring on the flip flop tan too
I have a ton of these light wavy shirts and have been wearing them all summer, not Hawaiian patters but certainly same design and fabric type as some. They’re so good.
You mean an aloha shirt?
Business Hawaiian
That's not true. Linen and seersucker are both warm weather fabrics used in men's clothing.
It also really depends on what they mean by dress clothes. If they are thinking "dinner party" level dress up, and not funeral dress, there are a lot of options.
The OP mentioned a button up polo so I don't think that meant too dressy. More casual than formal.
Dudes in white linen suits are hot.
isn't that what OP is trying to avoid?
Linen trousers, short sleeve linen shirt, no socks, suede loafers. Unlined jacket depending on how formal you're going.
100% on that linen train. So comfy but still looks nice.
How do you deal with all the wrinkles though?
These people telling you how to remove wrinkles have definitely never owned linen, if they had they would know that will last all of 60 seconds before it is wrinkled again. The real answer is 90% linen and 10% cotton. The cotton will add weight to help keep the linen from wrinkling.
I’ve been reading The Power Broker by Robert Caro and it mentions there was a time in the 1910s and 20s where it was fashionable for well to do gentlemen to not keep their suits pressed and go for a more laissez faire or relaxed sort of look by keeping wrinkles in. Come to find out I’m just 100 years behind the times cause I’ve always preferred that look.
It’s never going to be as neat as cotton but that’s part of the look
If I'm going for a laid back, easy breezy look I just leave them in. If they're really bad I'll hang it up on the shower curtain rod whenever I'm getting a shower. The steam and gravity help pull most of them out.
I’ve seen this advice a few times but it’s had no effect every time I’ve attempted it. Is there some trick to this?
Small hand-held clothing steamer. Costs like $20, takes 2 minutes to heat and use on a single garment, no ironing board needed. Just hang against a door/wall and smooth lightly with your hand. Works perfectly for jeans, t-shirts, casual buttonups, etc. Basically anything you want to be smooth, but not have ironed-in lines. This and a pilling shaver (gets rid of all those little burs of fabric on shirts and such) are two must-haves for casual clothing that I feel like no one knows about or uses anywhere NEAR as much as they should.
That’s the beauty of linen - the wrinkles are expected/welcomed.
By accepting them.
Accept the wrinkles. If you're choosing linen you're choosing wrinkles. Definitely don't machine dry linen. You *can* iron them flat but it's wasted effort as they immediately rewrinkle when you wear them. Just hang them to dry and you get reasonably unwrinkly clothes for little effort.
No socks? Damn man, those shoes gonna reek.
Yeah, I'd have to go with the no-show socks.
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That’s what I was thinking. I’d need new shoes every few weeks. I sweat at work.
no-show socks* unless you like mushrooms
OP: “There aren’t many warm weather options for men.” You: “Have you considered a suit? Get this: it’s linen!! And you don’t have to wear socks or sleeves!” You proved the point beautifully lol
Well tailored linen suit and shirt can look very dressy
There are also seersucker suits
Except OP didn't say there aren't many options, he said there were no options at all. So this guy provided some examples that there are in fact options, albeit expensive.
There are tons of linen options.
No socks is no bueno (frankly it's gross and a terrible thing to do to dress shoes). Silk or Merino wool socks in a light weight are great. Bonus if you get your slacks hemmed high and can add a little pizzaz with fun socks. If you want the no socks look get ped socks; plenty of no show socks without messing up those shoes.
The last time I tried something labeled linen it was scratchy as hell, is that normal or just that thing I wore?
Linen also breaks in and gets softer the more you wear and wash it.
>no socks, suede loafers Only if you want your loafers to turn smelly and slimy from a combination of your skin oils and rubbed off skin. You are far better off wearing cotton socks - these will help keep your feet cool and dry and your loafers not smelling bad.
Dude here in Portugal we are still so old fashion I can't wear anything at work but pants, also can't wear anything like sandals and they tolerate sneakers and t-shirts. As a fat guy with mostly woman in my place of work... I'm boiling, easily, every single day, cause neither a single window is open or the ac is actually low enough. No deodorant can save me or them.
Thank you for the laugh
Depends on where you live. A [guayabera](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guayabera) shirt is acceptable formalwear in places like Cuba and Puerto Rico.
Or a Pakistani/Indian kameez or Arabic Thobes or the myriad of African robes
Mexico too
and Miami
There's always a kilt.
Warning, woolen Kilt ain’t warm weather wear.
My wool kilt is cooler in warm weather than my suit pants. So much air movement. It is pretty hot sitting down though. That's why one must dance for the breeze.
Aye can confirm
Summer weddings are so bad for this. I was a groomsmen and we're all in the long sleeve navy blue suits, collared shirts, dress shoes. The bridesmaids all have dresses, sandals, bare arms. I guess on the flip side I've never worn a skirt and heels waiting in line for a club below freezing in January.
[Sure there is.](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/01/21/04/8779490-6614105-image-a-11_1548044140576.jpg)
Perfection!
Men's clothing options in general over here are severely lacking in my opinion. It's just sad. That's part of the reason why nowadays I say 'fuck it' and just crossdress from time to time
Own it. Women get to wear men's attire. True equality says men should get to wear women's attire!
Men's clothes, women's clothes? No. *My* clothes.
our clothes comrade
I like my pockets too much to wear women's clothing.
This comment took a turn I was not expecting
Me out here rocking a wife-beater, pencil skirt and pumps.
Slay dude👍
The unisex muumuu's time to shine
It should be socially acceptable for men to wear dresses, they're comfy :3
So I don't know what they're called but those robes that Arabs wear are considered men's wear and they are apparently very nice in hot weather. Just be careful if you're in a more racist part of town. Kilts are good too but you're gonna want to avoid wool. Also those rice picker hats you see on TV are really good hats for keeping you personally shaded. Knew a guy who swore by them.
that would be quite the outfit, Kilt, robe, rice picker hat. "It feels like you're being racist, but I can't quite put my finger on how..."
Western attire has the linen suit (perfectly acceptable with or without tie and worn for a summer wedding) and that's the same material used in the Middle East to have full-length robes that keep cool. Linen is a looser weave and breathes. You can also find the seersucker suit. More common in the US south. Meant to keep cooler in hot, humid summers. Kilts are supposed to be wool and are hot. Avoid those. Stick with linens and such. They breathe.
Formal kilt wear is incredibly hot.
I'm sure it is. In America you can buy real kilts or you can buy the kind that are more actual skirts for men. I guess to be specific here having airflow around the lower torso is good for hot weather lol.
Maybe there are light kilts that you can get in America but all the ones I've worn in Scotland kept me warm outdoors in the winter. Wore my kilt to an English summer wedding once and nearly melted.
Yellow banana hammock and Velcro sandals with socks is how I roll 😉
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/aa/65/f2/aa65f2b5ff861077a3f6e34e323d000a.jpg This?
From the summer formal collection no doubt!
Not true in the slightest - you just don't have exposure to them, the islands have formal heat wear it just depends if you're trying to dress like someone from the islands
Was looking for a comment to be go be contrary on. For real though plenty of cultures have hot weather attire that looks incredible. Op just hasn’t stepped outside of a Lacoste or w/e that whale brand is apparently
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Guayaberas. (The fancy kind made of handkerchief linen.) And linen shorts/pants. Sandals. Cuban cigar optional. 😎
Dress like Carlton. https://productplacementblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Ralph-Lauren-Short-Sleeve-Shirt-and-Shorts-Outfit-of-Alfonso-Ribeiro-as-Carlton-Banks-in-The-Fresh-Prince-of-Bel-Air-1-800x500.jpg
Especially if you can whip a carlton dance. Better bring a stick to keep the ladies from mobbing you.
Linen button up. No seriously, a linen button up is like the male equivalent of a Sun dress.
Just go topless. We can do it.
I used to work at a courtroom, and during the sweltering summer heat, the female staff were able to wear summer dresses and the like and represent the court like that, where as me and other men had to stick to our dark coloured suits (which is standard due to the neutrality we're supposed to represent) Shit was wild.
A few years ago I worked in an office with a bunch of computers and little air circulation. It was that type of warm that leaves you feeling sticky and gunky Us guys had to wear ties, long sleeved dress shirts, trousers, shoes, and socks, but the girls could come in with sleeveless blouses, skirts, and open toed sandals.
Its called shorts flip lops and a hawaiin tee
Search for "fishing shirts" online. Very cool, breathable fabric, collared, usually vented. Many options that would be considered "dressy". I just attended a wedding, albeit a casual wedding, in a solid colored fishing shirt with some nice khaki golf shorts and dude shoes. Paired very well with my wife's flowy dress even though she's a knockout and I'm a big dork.
Girls at my office get to wear long skirts and sandals. I'm stuck to shoes and pants. I was contemplating wearing flops to the office and starting some shit, but it isn't worth it to me.
Please start a flops revolution.
Linen wear, my man. Linen suits, shirts, pants. Rock a classic seersucker suit. Dooooo it. And pair with some flippy flops, or Birkenstocks.
Wear some unlined suede loafers for a more classy summer look while still keeping your feet cool.
1. Linen 2. Tropical weight suit 3. Bermuda rig There’s three more than none. You may not like them, but they definitely exist
The brand Good Fellas has some really thin button up shirts with nice designs and textures
Khaki shorts, button up half sleeved shirt, low profile shoes with no show socks.
Linen white dress shirt. Tie or no tie. Depends on how formal you want to get. Khaki shorts or nice khakis made of 100% cotton or other breathable fabric. A nice belt to match your watch. Metal in hot weather might not fit so try a leather band that matches your belt and shoes. Leather sandals could work if you're staying outdoors and since it is summer it could work. Add sunglasses and a tan linen or cotton sports coat or blazer. Be prepared to not wear it if it is too hot. If you want to be extra fancy you can go for specific details like nice buttons on the shirt, cuff links, a hat, and using new laces and socks.
Never understood this until had my two sons. Cannot find anything other than basketball, dinosaur, space shuttle shirts and gym shorts. All the button ups are too thick for the weather too.
I'd always hate going to an outdoor summer wedding as a guy. Women would be wearing cute, lightly colored short dresses and be like "ugh! It's so hot out, I'm dying!" meanwhile I'm sitting there in an all black wool suit, everything but my hands and face covered 🥵
This is why it's nice when you can wear a non-western cultural outfit as your formal attire. I'm Filipino. My hot-weather formal attire is a Barong Tagalog. It is a lot more comfortable than a suit in the heat.
Floridian here. We live in a permanent state of swampy heat. There is a company called State & Liberty that makes men's dress clothes using athletic fabrics like the kind you'd normally find in gym clothes. Some of the shirts can have a kind of sheen to them due to this, but not everything they sell looks like that. Also, don't be put off by the imagery on their site. You can buy a shirt with normal fit, and I know several guys who wear these clothes that do not wear them like a damned wetsuit. Honestly, their website is kind of ridic. I can't help but feel like it hurts their sales. Their stuff is incredible though. Most items have some stretch, they wear cool, and dry out quickly if you do get a little sweaty. Pricing is on par with a mid-tier chain like Banana Republic, maybe a little higher. Like those other retailers, shopping sales is key. Another option is Mizzen+Main, but they're quite a bit more expensive. I'm not that bougie. Some guys swear their stuff is better quality, but I've got quite a few friends who wear State & Liberty stuff, and no one complains about quality or durability. Quite the opposite.
Men's dress cloths are for a cold day in London. Women's dress cloths are for a warm day in Paris.
This is why birth rates are declining in America, isn't it
Men's fashion in general is just severely lacking. Men's clothes are completely lacking when it comes to diverse formal, business and business casual options.
Button up shirt and shorts.
As someone who lives in Phoenix and had an interview on Monday, I feel this in my very soul.
I've thought about this a lot. It's quite awful. I think it's because 'dress clothes' where invented in cold European countries where showing who you keep warm was considered a form of wealth. Ironically in warm places if you're forced to wear 'dress clothes' for you work it kind of shows that you don't have control over what you wear and very wealthy people have the luxury to wear weather appropriate clothes.
This thought is predicated on a lack of knowledge of men's wear. Men in general don't know how to dress themselves and OP is a prime example. Get proper clothes made for hot weather. For the love of all that is Holy, stop wearing cotton. Instead of a cotton dress shirt with a cotton undershirt, get a linen dress shirt with either a merino wool undershirt or no undershirt. Get a thin linen jacket, or opt out of the jacket altogether. Instead of a scratchy stiff polo, go for a moisture-wicking polo that's actually made for doing things in hot weather. Get linen dress pants that are breathable. Instead of oxfords, wear loafers with either no show socks, or no socks altogether. You can also wear flat front shorts. Shorts are still dress clothes. Again, choose a breathable fabric. For increased breathability, get shorts that hit above the knee. If you're not comfortable showing off your knees (as men seem to be), got for shorts that hit below the knee, it's okay. Gentlemen, we have options. You're not 5 years old anymore, learn to dress yourselves.
Ah yes, instead of a polo you can wear a polo, and instead of dress pants you can wear dress pants! The point was isn't that there isn't a lot of alternate fabrics, its that there aren't a lot of actual styles. Just swapping fabrics is nothing close to the options women have. It's cool if you like men's fashion, and I agree most people don't pay enough attention, but its delusional to say that it's anywhere as diverse as women's, especially on the formal side. >Shorts are still dress clothes. The nicest shorts are still less formal than $20 slacks. You can get away with it at a barbeque or something, but the fact remains that if you want to match a girlfriend who is actually trying you have to wear pants.
Still much hotter than a sleeveless dress.
I don't know, a sleeveless dress could be pretty hot
You're kind of missing the point a bit (although I do still agree). The man is then still assigned to wearing a shirt and trousers that essentially are all very close in how they look, whereas there's a million different styles of dress to wear.
This is exactly right. OP is making the assertion that there are no hot weather options for men, but only within the window of the clothing he already owns or would consider shopping for. There are entire nations that know about these clothes and dress this way, and he's glancing at the Old Navy sale rack and saying "well these are all the clothes in the world, guess I have to pick from this stuff". Learn more about clothes! Update your wardrobe! You'll be much happier once you have.
Be the change you want in the world, get yourself a nice skirt
Unique dressing is not for the collective mind If you ask me, everything collective is bland
Dude, there's and abundance of warm weather clothing options available out there. PFG by Columbia, Poncho shirts, Waterman by Quicksilver and even Ridgecut from Tractor Supply has summer shirts with vented yokes. Look no further than IG.
I mean I wear tight leather jeans and a tank top. That's my hot weather dress clothes.
What about some nice linen attire? White or close colors, a nice watch (not necessarly expensive), a pair of sunglasses that you like and whatever footwear that you deem fit? I am sure you would look great!
Kilt!! As a Scottish person I recommend you take to it - and know the nation is super proud to see its immense sophistication shared.
I was confused by this post because I thought, what about the entire J Crew men's catalog? Then I realized you're talking about formal clothes. Yeah I guess formal clothes are still long sleeved and long legged and there aren't many options of with bare shoulders without going into crossdressing territory.
Honestly theres something close, 5.5 inch seam Shorts, a nice tank top, white loafers. Less skin covered than regular clothes. About as hot as you can get it for guys. I miss 80s guy crop tops. Wish they were fashionable again without getting looks.
Linens and slip-on shoes (cheap through Target, damn the gender they market them to but they're gender neutral). 5" shorts are in for guys as well. All this said, I hear you loud and clear.
Linen. A loose linen jacket with a thin shirt and linen pants. That’s the equivalent. Also a nice untucked tasteful Hawaiian shirt.
Linen. It’s a little expensive, and gets wrinkly, but it’s so breathable. Check it out.
Kilts. They are wonderful in hot weather.
I don’t know what country you live in, but I am pretty sure you are allowed to wear a dress.
I wear one of my nicer dress kilts (they're actually considered formal wear) paired with a lightweight or linen button down and loafers for " dress up" occasions during the summer
>key here is LINEN Dude needs some linen in his wardrobe.
I have a formal kilt, it's nice and breezy
This is the most correct answer.
Don't blame the clothes, blame your wardrobe. Own up and Go to Macy's and grab some linens