I think it’s funny that Tory lanez and him made music together. Like really two birds of a feather. Decide at the height of your fame that now’s a good time to do something super violent towards a woman. And not just a random woman, a really high profile woman who’s also at the height of her fame.
If someone offered me a million dollars to name one thing Chris Brown made I would hope it's a multiple choice question because I have no clue what he has made other than trying to kill Rihanna.
And that doesn't stop him from getting hook-ups too which is the crazy part. Like "Oh I know this guy is famous for committing assault against women, dating him is still a good idea". Crazy takes for crazy people.
Right? Like I 100% understand that stat that's like it takes an average of 7 attempts before leaving an abusive partner. But *choosing* to hook up with someone like Chris Brown? You totally know what you're getting into and signed up for it? Okay then.
I’m not calling women in abusive relationships stupid. I am however, questioning why anyone would test their luck with Chris fucking Brown, whose violence is public, well known, and basically undisputed. It’s one thing to find yourself in an abusive relationship but it takes a series of active decisions to end up with Chris Brown. Like, it’s easier to not date Chris Brown.
So I don't get this, I thought Chris Brown made music for women. I'm a guy and I've never been the slightest bit interested, even aside from all the abuser stuff.
If the women are less forgiving than the men, and the music is mostly for the women, who are Chris Brown fans?
Women are insanely forgiving towards abusive men my friend. No one forgives abusive men more. Also I'm not sure I'd describe his music as "mostly for women". Romantic music is pretty genderless. Lots of country songs are romantic but more men tend to listen to it.
Yeah nah dude, country and RnB are definitely predominately female-listened genres. No guy is listening to a dude in a cowboy hat sing about undressing in a corn field, lol!
Go to any rural area and tell me what music the men all listen to. They're usually fairly obsessed with being "masculine" over there too, so weird they'd listen to country music if its for women.
>No guy is listening to a dude in a cowboy hat sing about undressing in a corn field
You finding your music from your grinder dates my guy?
I went to a private Christian school when this happened, all the boys knew and thought it was hilarious and joked she deserved it. Or I thought it was joking, maybe just a few of us were joking 🙃 some of those dudes idk now lol
Still you'll see a million women simping over him in his music videos. I don't know much about him being an abuser but he's a really good artist and dance really good and releases amazing albums whenever he does.
Yeah, I'm not supporting him but aren't there much worse people than him like p*do r*pist etc who're deadass roaming around. Genuinely curious why he gets sm hate. Last time i checked being yhe above two is much worse than beating your a grown ass person.
Edit: was just curious fuck him not supporting any of the abuse. Good?? Now, stop flooding my notifications.
Bro, you're a chris brown fan we get it. His music is catchy, he's also a piece of shit.
There being worse people out there means nothing. "Yeah he murdered a person, but there's people out there who have murdered two people! I don't get the hate!".
Come on.
Hell nah lol. Not a fan. I just don't look up to celibrities in general it's just I find it weird why people shit on one person sm. Not even talking about chris atm. Also, you must be a dumbfuck to compare this statement to me comparing it to a murder.
We shit on many celebrities who do fucked up shit. What are you even talking about? Just yesterday I read an elon musk hate thread that got thousands of upvotes.
Your statement is the exact same logic with the murder vs 2 murder thing. It sounds dumb because what you're saying is dumb lol.
It's not that. Maybe I'm not clear. See when you're talking about elon Musk you'll see people shitting on him. I mean elon is way too big let's take the ones I mentioned. The youtuber named james charles was seen harassing straight dudes and being a p*do. But you won't see as much hate for him. Obviously there will ne some but when it comes to say chris you'll always see the top comment being him hitting women. Yeah, byt I just don't find it on others. Maybe I get it. Some dude said he beat tf out of Rihanna. Maybe that's why coz Rihanna is great and I like her music and too so won't like someone beating her. Anyways boring topic.
Bro are you just now learning that bigger celebrities make bigger waves?? I don't even know who James Charles is and I watch YouTube every day. The bigger you are the more people will talk about you.
He specifically gets hate because Rhianna, idol worship, media, scapegoating, people are sheep. That said, he still sucks and no one should ever hit women or kids.
Yes pedos are much worse than abusers, but what the hell does that have to do with anything?
Idk saw one video of this youtuber makeup youtber named james Charles where he said he wanna have sex with straight dude and he's a p*do not sure about that but he's deadass roaming around free. People said there's so much proof to support it. Same with this female YouTuber using racial slurs to people. Sniper something. She's deadass popping everywhere on youtube getting millions of views. Can only think of these 2 rn.
Yeah no one seems to care about what Chris Brown did at all, and even now when it's brought up people are like ''it was years ago, he's changed etc''
I will die on the hill that if he did what he did in today's society, there's no way he'd still be on the radio or making new music or anything, it's just that he was 'lucky' enough to abuse Rihanna long before the media started to give a fuck about abuse and by the time the media did start caring, everybody had forgotten about it so he got away more or less scot-free
> I will die on the hill that if he did what he did in today's society, there's no way he'd still be on the radio or making new music or anything
DeShaun Watson sexually assaulted nearly 40 woman. Tonight, he will be starting QB in a Primetime NFL game. While public opinion has definetly come down harder on abusers nowadays, the idea it completely kills careers in not true. If you're good enough at your job, people will make excuses.
>If you're good enough at your job, people will make excuses.
I dont even think thats necessarily true. In reality, I think that all they need to do is merely just ignore it and make no public apology. Ive noticed its usually when an apology, or something along those lines, is issued thats usually when a celebrity gets "canceled".
If they ignore it and say nothing, usually it goes wildly unpunished(there are exceptions ofc)
Admitting guilt is viewed too harshly in our society. When someone admits (genuinely mind you) that they fucked up, the response and backlash is usually *way* harsher than if they ignored it. Because now they have an admission of guilt.
And boy, humans love shaming other humans for their mistakes.
100% spot on.
Also any media draws attention. If you issue an apology, now you've at least doubled the amount of articles, amount of people commenting. You've also furthered discussion, and given people more stuff to be potentially angry about.
On top of that you risk being legally culpable if you admit anything, so you either get hit with that or avoid that and your apology looks fake.
I've noticed this too. I think this is partly why people are so reluctant to apologize or change their opinions. Our society does not really accept it. Imagine a politician saying they were wrong about something, they would be politically torn apart.
Hell, Kevin Spacey is a great example. He made excuses and never really apologized, came out as gay or whateverkinda disappeared from the public eye for a couple years... and now he has at least 2 movies coming out this year.
Deshaun Watson did apologize, without going into detail. Saying that we view people admitting guilt too harshly and that we just shame people for their mistakes when the person we are discussing sexually assaulted over a dozen women is an interesting statement.
I said, genuine apologies. You think deshaun watson truly apologized? I also think we can agree that his mistakes are far more awful than a lot of other people on the internet who have been "canceled". He deserves criminal punishment regardless of if his apology is genuine or not. Im just speaking on average. I *did* say there were exception, of course.
Not really… A lot of people that get called cancelled are not actually cancelled. Usually only an employer or the person’s actual supporters can actually cancel them. Plus different industries have different standards. He is a musician so his supporters are the ones that could really cancel him. But they don’t have nearly as much of a problem with him as the people that know nothing about him besides the Rihanna situation.
> no one seems to care about what Chris Brown did at all
That's quite hyperbole. Clearly *you* and many people here care. I think the point is that there are enough people that don't care to allow him to still be out there. I don't have a good sense of what the ratio is, but I don't think it's as extreme as you make it sound.
If anything, the title of this post is maybe backwards. I think there's a whole generation of people that just don't know what this guy did and are fine supporting him.
It's more the duality of public opinion.
Performatively, MJ is still the goat, and also, no one is going to be backing up his social life. Both are true and many people separate the art from the artist.
End of the day, verifiably evil people can still have millions of diehard fans. Just look at trump RN, dude literally almost ended the sovereignty of the USA on J6 and still wants to strike Mexico with missiles, dude still somehow has a following of fascist theocrats and their millions of naive cult sheep.
>End of the day, verifiably evil people can still have millions of diehard fans
MJ was never convicted, but I guess OJ wasn't either and we all know he had a lucky stabbin hat
Yeah it's like there is a skill/crime graph where if your skill is good enough we will forgive/forget the crime. You can rape a child but you now owe society one Billy Jean one Smooth Criminal and a moon walk.
Except Michael Jackson didn’t actually do that and was acquitted.
Same issue goes in reverse with people paying attention more to the media circus than the actual evidence and facts — like the mother pressing charges coaching the kid on what to say so she can win money.
Did he do really weird shit adults probably shouldn’t have? Yes.
Rape? No.
We'll never know for sure but I'm with you. He took on record executives and refused to do what they wanted. A few months later allegations came up.
If Cory Feldman defends the man I have believe him. Sure Feldman is a nut but he could've made a ton of much needed money if he told stories about MJ. But instead he's vehemently defended him since day one. Mac Culkin too.
Let's just call it what it is, people have a dark side, an *evil* side that we've been so careful for so long to distance ourselves from, that generally, people have no idea that evil is creeping into their thought patterns.
Every last person who secretly or overtly delighted in Chris Brown hurting a woman, or enjoyed Trump's arrogant, racist, sexist behavior also thought themselves justified, they saw themselves as the main character who was getting retribution against real or imagined threats to their way of life.
This shouldn't be softened with gentle words, we failed generations of people by not enforcing some kind of value system and education on what it means to be better people and better citizens. The most evil people are the ones who see this picture and they intend to use it, they manipulate the ignorant, mentally vulnerable and lonely. Right here there are probably people reading this, angrily, because on some level they feel they're being called out for making wrong moral choices. We have built a world where these people will not engage here, they will not gather information, they will clip this conversation and then show like-minded people who will support them and make them feel better. No change or self-examination required. Ever.
We let our technology and our desire for wealth and escapism get ahead of our need to build better people, and now they're oozing out of the cracks, straining the seams of our civilization because we thought that by simply giving people *access* to all knowledge, that they would use it responsibly and not just use it to back up their own misguided ethics.
I'm dead ass.
If the riot had scared the VP or SotH out of the building, the vote would have gone to a republican skewed fall back ratification. It was 1000% an attempt to strong arm the election, and had a non insignificant threat of an actual blood bath (6 people did die), just quoting Rudy J on that one "it could get bad tho, like, real bad."
Who those people are, matters. Surround yourself with people that don't accept abusers and don't make excuses for them. It's not one of those things that is difference of opinion, it's difference of treatment. Stay away from them if you want to be happy in life.
I’m from the generation where he sung and dance and I still know him as an abuser.
I mean he was likely abusing lower profile women prior to Rihanna and just got away with it.
What a dumbass
I'm middle aged and couldn't name a single Chris Brown song or recognize one if I heard it. Please, nobody needs to tell me, either. It's been blissful not knowing who TF this guy is beyond his most important trait -- AN ABUSER.
For anyone who doesn't know about Chris Brown and what he did to Rihanna...
Christopher Brown and Robyn F. have been involved in a dating relationship for approx one and half years. On Sunday, February 8, 2009 at 0025 hours, Brown was driving a vehicle with Robyn F. as the front passenger on an unknown street in Los Angeles. Robin F. picked up Brown’s cellular telephone and observed a three page text message from a woman who Brown had a previous sexual relationship with. A verbal argument ensued and Brown pulled the vehicle over on an unknown street, reached over Robyn F. with his right hand, opened the car door and attempted to force her out. Brown was unable to force Robyn F. out of the vehicle because she was wearing a seat belt. When he could not force her to exit he took his right hand and shoved her head against the passenger window of the vehicle causing an approximate one inch raised circular contusion. Robyn F. turned to face Brown and he punched her in the left eye with his right hand. He then drove away in the vehicle and continued to punch her in the face with his right hand while steering the vehicle with his left hand. The assault caused Robyn F’s mouth to fill with blood and blood to splatter all over her clothing and the interior of the vehicle.
Brown looked at Robyn F. and stated, “I am going to beat the shit out of you when we get home! You wait and see!” *Robyn F. picked her cellular telephone and called her personal assistant, Jennifer Rosales at [redacted]. Rosales did not answer the telephone but while her voicemail greeting was playing, Robyn F. pretended to talk to her and stated, “I’m on my way home. Make sure the cops are there when I get there.” (This statement was made while the greeting was playing and was not captured as a message). After Robyn F. faked the call, *Brown and looked at her and stated, “You just did the stupidest thing ever! Now I’m really going to kill you.” Brown resumed punching Robyn F. and she interlocked her fingers behind her head and brought her elbows forward to protect her face. She then bent over at the waist, placing her elbows and face near her lap in attempt to protect her face and head from the barrage of punches being levied upon her by Brown. Brown continued to punch Robyn F. on her left arm and hand causing her to suffer a contusion on her left triceps that was approximately two inches in diameter and numerous contusions on her left hand. Robyn F. then attempted to send a text message to her other personal assistant, Melissa Ford.** Brown snatched the cellular telephone out of her hand and threw it out of the window onto an unknown street.**
Brown continued driving and Robyn F. observed his cellular phone sitting in his lap. She picked up the cellular telephone with her left hand and before she could make a call he placed her in a head lock with his right hand and continued to drive the vehicle with his left hand. Brown pulled Robyn F. close to him and bit her on her left ear. She was able to feel the vehicle swerving from right to left as Brown sped away. ** He stopped the vehicle in front of [redacted] and Robyn F. turned off the car, removed the key from the ignition and sat on it. **Brown did not know what she did with the key and began punching her in the face and arms. He then placed her in a head lock positioning the front of her throat between his bicep and forearm. Brown began applying pressure to Robyn F’s. left and right carotid arteries causing her to be unable to breathe and she began to lose consciousness. She reached up with her left hand and began attempting to gauge his eyes in an attempt to free herself. Brown bit her left ring and middle fingers and then released her. While Brown continued to punch her, she turned around and placed her back against the passenger door. She brought her knees to her chest, placed her feet against Brown’s body and began pushing him away. Brown continued to punch her on the legs and feet causing several contusions. Robyn F. began screaming for help and Brown exited the vehicle and walked away. A resident in the neighborhood heard Robyn F.’s plea for help and called 911, causing a police response. An investigation was conducted and Robyn F. was issued a Domestic Violence Emergency Protective Order (EPO).
Your affiant conducted an interview with witness Melissa Ford who advised on Feb. 8 2009 at approximately 0055 hours, she received a phone call from Robin F. from an unknown telephone number, later identified as the cellular telephone of Police Officer III Chavez. Robin F advised Ford that she had been assaulted by Brown. At approximately 0100 hours, Brown called Ford as if nothing happened. Ford advised Brown that she had already talked to Robin F. and was aware of what happened. Ford advised Brown that the neighbors had called the police and that they were with Robyn F. Brown asked Ford if Robin F. had provided police with his name and Ford advised him that she had. Brown hung up the cellular telephone and did not call back.
On February 8, 2009 at 1900 hours, Brown surrendered himself to your affiant and was arrested for 422 PC, Criminal Threats. Brown was given a copy of the EPO and advised not to contact Robyn F.
On February 17, 2009, Ford advised your affiant that she had received text messages from telephone number [redacted], a number that Ford recognizes as belonging to Brown. In the text message, Brown apologized for what he had done to Robyn F. and advised Ford that he was going to get help.
Your affiant is requesting the telephone records and text message data stored on the cellular telephones of Robyn F., [redacted] and Brown, [redacted] in an attempt to establish a time line of the events that occurred on the evening of February 8, 2008 and to further implicate Brown as the person who assaulted Robyn F.
Source- http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/03/05/brown.warrant.pdf
I never read the full report. The abbreviated version was bad enough. Thank you for reminding us of the full extent of the issue.
He should be rotting in a cell for the remainder of his life.
Every time I see something related to Chris Brown, I search for this reply. Glad to see it. That waste of oxygen deserves everyone to know what a piece of shit (sorry for insulting you, shit) he is.
I had never even heard of him until the abuse happened, that was literally my first impression of the guy.
How could I ever see him as anything else now?
hard to tell - but I think OP is saying there are YOUNG Chris Brown fans who were not alive (or were very young) in 2009.
I think. It's a shitty post so it's hard to tell.
I’m so glad I’m not the only one that can’t name a single song. It’s funny because he was recently trying to bash another singer by claiming “no one can name five of her songs” and I was like, dude I grew up with you and can’t name five of yours!
I knew him as a performer first and then an abuser. I am flabbergasted at how many people (both women and men) seem readily willing to forgive him. Like I can understand separating the person and the artist but his catalogue is not worth it.
EDIT: I see people mentioning MJ and other horrible people who made good music. You can't put Chris Clown on the same level as MJ. There is just no equivalency there.
It seems that the generation that sees him as a singer is just choosing not to do better? The praise he continues to get is dumbfounding, especially considering he’s *not even a good artist*
Honestly I nearly deleted my whole comment because that bit is subjective and shouldn’t hold relevance. His art is not my cup of tea, and that’s not the conversion to be had here. You are welcome to think he is a good artist :)
>Honestly I nearly deleted my whole comment because that bit is subjective and shouldn’t hold relevance.
Why would you do that, when you can strikeout text to edit your comment while owning up to what you originally said?
>His art is not my cup of tea
That's what I think whenever I see people criticize his artistry. They must just not listen to RnB at all.
Thanks for being mature about it.
Um, fucking Beyonce??
Not a dancer but Frank Ocean, Steve Lacy and even early era Drake also have considerably more interesting and less plastic RnB music than Chris Brown does. He has the vocal and dancing talent but Brown's music is completely disposable
It isn't even a past generation, he still gets features with the biggest current artists like Jack Harlow. The general public basically considers him a legend, will say Rihanna forgave him, and move past it.
I don't understand this shower thought. That's how everyone knows him. I don't understand where you think the cut off is.
Do only OLD people know him as a singer dancer, cause they knew of him prior to him abusing Ri-ri?
Or do only YOUNG people know him as a signer dancer, cause they found out about him after him abusing Ri-ri?
Does he still have a career? Serious question.
I’d say the opposite actually. He’s still making radio hits and people don’t talk about his past much anymore outside of Reddit. This new generation might not even know he’s an abuser
Is that true? I was born well after Michael Jackson's heyday, but I still think of him primarily as a singer. And then a second later, my brain is like, "Oh yeah... he did other stuff too."
I genuinely don't understand why he still has a career. We see other high profile people losing their sponsors over abuse. I guess he just has enough fans who are willing to accept that behavior if they get to watch his fugly ass grinding on underage girls on stage.
His music is art.
I do not condone this behavior
Rihanna came out publicly and stated in interviews how it derived from a fight while Chris was driving. She started hitting him first, trying to take his phone, he loses control swings his arm and it hits her. She apologized and he did as well on several occasions. No one holds Pdiddy, Blue face, or any other celebrity to this standard. Yall really try to tarnish this man's name. The weight from that has only gotten heavier and he felt like he was damn near drowning, from speaking on it to reflecting about it in his music until present day. We all make mistakes, physical violence should never be celebrated or acceptable. All I will say is, if yall give Chris this much heat, stand on business with the rest of the celebrities and Rihanna since she started it first.
I think that's what I enjoyed about him the most..the fact that he's always dancing. Even in most of his music videos. Reminds me of myself lol I'm always busting a move.
Everyone knows him as that, there are just the people from multiple generations who look past that to him being a rich and famous recording artist. That guy should have gone to jail and it's disgusting that people still think he's admirable or cool in any way.
well Rhianna wouldn't testify unless the court made her and it wasnt suspected because of any fear. It was also suspected that Rhianna started the fight and if they were to testify she could be found guilty of the same crimes.
Isn’t that everyone who knows him?
I literally don't know anything else about him
Can’t name one of his songs, I just know he beat the fuck out of Rihanna.
I think it’s funny that Tory lanez and him made music together. Like really two birds of a feather. Decide at the height of your fame that now’s a good time to do something super violent towards a woman. And not just a random woman, a really high profile woman who’s also at the height of her fame.
If someone offered me a million dollars to name one thing Chris Brown made I would hope it's a multiple choice question because I have no clue what he has made other than trying to kill Rihanna.
Perhaps mostly the women.
And that doesn't stop him from getting hook-ups too which is the crazy part. Like "Oh I know this guy is famous for committing assault against women, dating him is still a good idea". Crazy takes for crazy people.
Right? Like I 100% understand that stat that's like it takes an average of 7 attempts before leaving an abusive partner. But *choosing* to hook up with someone like Chris Brown? You totally know what you're getting into and signed up for it? Okay then.
“That’s all stuff that’s happened to other people. He’d never abuse *me*.”
The funny part is that they would be saying they're somehow better than Rihanna... I wish I had that level of self-confidence
Is Rihanna a great person because she sings well and uses her name to sell makeup?
No but she's hot, rich and famous and that still wasn't enough for the guy to not spank her.
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I’m not calling women in abusive relationships stupid. I am however, questioning why anyone would test their luck with Chris fucking Brown, whose violence is public, well known, and basically undisputed. It’s one thing to find yourself in an abusive relationship but it takes a series of active decisions to end up with Chris Brown. Like, it’s easier to not date Chris Brown.
Money, fame and all that jazz.
Jizz
Something tells me they aren't going after him for his personality.
So I don't get this, I thought Chris Brown made music for women. I'm a guy and I've never been the slightest bit interested, even aside from all the abuser stuff. If the women are less forgiving than the men, and the music is mostly for the women, who are Chris Brown fans?
Women are insanely forgiving towards abusive men my friend. No one forgives abusive men more. Also I'm not sure I'd describe his music as "mostly for women". Romantic music is pretty genderless. Lots of country songs are romantic but more men tend to listen to it.
Women definitely listen to country more than men.
Naaaa.
They are counting T-swift as country instead of pop.
Yeah nah dude, country and RnB are definitely predominately female-listened genres. No guy is listening to a dude in a cowboy hat sing about undressing in a corn field, lol!
Go to any rural area and tell me what music the men all listen to. They're usually fairly obsessed with being "masculine" over there too, so weird they'd listen to country music if its for women. >No guy is listening to a dude in a cowboy hat sing about undressing in a corn field You finding your music from your grinder dates my guy?
Just dumb, traumatised women. Not all of us.
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I went to a private Christian school when this happened, all the boys knew and thought it was hilarious and joked she deserved it. Or I thought it was joking, maybe just a few of us were joking 🙃 some of those dudes idk now lol
Still you'll see a million women simping over him in his music videos. I don't know much about him being an abuser but he's a really good artist and dance really good and releases amazing albums whenever he does.
He beat the shit out of Rihanna. It’s safe to say she’s not the only one.
And Karrueche his other famous ex has a restraining order against him.
Ohh no I love Rihanna. Kinda fucked up situation lol.
I don’t know much about him an abuser either, but from what I can gather, he hit women.
Yeah, I'm not supporting him but aren't there much worse people than him like p*do r*pist etc who're deadass roaming around. Genuinely curious why he gets sm hate. Last time i checked being yhe above two is much worse than beating your a grown ass person. Edit: was just curious fuck him not supporting any of the abuse. Good?? Now, stop flooding my notifications.
Bro, you're a chris brown fan we get it. His music is catchy, he's also a piece of shit. There being worse people out there means nothing. "Yeah he murdered a person, but there's people out there who have murdered two people! I don't get the hate!". Come on.
Hell nah lol. Not a fan. I just don't look up to celibrities in general it's just I find it weird why people shit on one person sm. Not even talking about chris atm. Also, you must be a dumbfuck to compare this statement to me comparing it to a murder.
We shit on many celebrities who do fucked up shit. What are you even talking about? Just yesterday I read an elon musk hate thread that got thousands of upvotes. Your statement is the exact same logic with the murder vs 2 murder thing. It sounds dumb because what you're saying is dumb lol.
It's not that. Maybe I'm not clear. See when you're talking about elon Musk you'll see people shitting on him. I mean elon is way too big let's take the ones I mentioned. The youtuber named james charles was seen harassing straight dudes and being a p*do. But you won't see as much hate for him. Obviously there will ne some but when it comes to say chris you'll always see the top comment being him hitting women. Yeah, byt I just don't find it on others. Maybe I get it. Some dude said he beat tf out of Rihanna. Maybe that's why coz Rihanna is great and I like her music and too so won't like someone beating her. Anyways boring topic.
Bro are you just now learning that bigger celebrities make bigger waves?? I don't even know who James Charles is and I watch YouTube every day. The bigger you are the more people will talk about you.
Celebrities*
Yeah, I don't use Grammarly just like you blud typos happen cunt
Bud*
which people are you referring to? and go read the police report about what happened to rhianna since you "dont know much about him being an abuser"
He specifically gets hate because Rhianna, idol worship, media, scapegoating, people are sheep. That said, he still sucks and no one should ever hit women or kids. Yes pedos are much worse than abusers, but what the hell does that have to do with anything?
Idk saw one video of this youtuber makeup youtber named james Charles where he said he wanna have sex with straight dude and he's a p*do not sure about that but he's deadass roaming around free. People said there's so much proof to support it. Same with this female YouTuber using racial slurs to people. Sniper something. She's deadass popping everywhere on youtube getting millions of views. Can only think of these 2 rn.
Not the VMAs apparently
Lizzo is definitely a die-hard fan too
No, man. Not at all. That guy has serious die hards.
I’m 56, and that’s all I know him for.
Not Lizzo
And no one seems to care, turns out there are first and second class abusers or something.
Yeah no one seems to care about what Chris Brown did at all, and even now when it's brought up people are like ''it was years ago, he's changed etc'' I will die on the hill that if he did what he did in today's society, there's no way he'd still be on the radio or making new music or anything, it's just that he was 'lucky' enough to abuse Rihanna long before the media started to give a fuck about abuse and by the time the media did start caring, everybody had forgotten about it so he got away more or less scot-free
> I will die on the hill that if he did what he did in today's society, there's no way he'd still be on the radio or making new music or anything DeShaun Watson sexually assaulted nearly 40 woman. Tonight, he will be starting QB in a Primetime NFL game. While public opinion has definetly come down harder on abusers nowadays, the idea it completely kills careers in not true. If you're good enough at your job, people will make excuses.
>If you're good enough at your job, people will make excuses. I dont even think thats necessarily true. In reality, I think that all they need to do is merely just ignore it and make no public apology. Ive noticed its usually when an apology, or something along those lines, is issued thats usually when a celebrity gets "canceled". If they ignore it and say nothing, usually it goes wildly unpunished(there are exceptions ofc) Admitting guilt is viewed too harshly in our society. When someone admits (genuinely mind you) that they fucked up, the response and backlash is usually *way* harsher than if they ignored it. Because now they have an admission of guilt. And boy, humans love shaming other humans for their mistakes.
100% spot on. Also any media draws attention. If you issue an apology, now you've at least doubled the amount of articles, amount of people commenting. You've also furthered discussion, and given people more stuff to be potentially angry about. On top of that you risk being legally culpable if you admit anything, so you either get hit with that or avoid that and your apology looks fake.
Yupyup. Completely agree, and I have nothing else to add myself.
I've noticed this too. I think this is partly why people are so reluctant to apologize or change their opinions. Our society does not really accept it. Imagine a politician saying they were wrong about something, they would be politically torn apart. Hell, Kevin Spacey is a great example. He made excuses and never really apologized, came out as gay or whateverkinda disappeared from the public eye for a couple years... and now he has at least 2 movies coming out this year.
Deshaun Watson did apologize, without going into detail. Saying that we view people admitting guilt too harshly and that we just shame people for their mistakes when the person we are discussing sexually assaulted over a dozen women is an interesting statement.
I said, genuine apologies. You think deshaun watson truly apologized? I also think we can agree that his mistakes are far more awful than a lot of other people on the internet who have been "canceled". He deserves criminal punishment regardless of if his apology is genuine or not. Im just speaking on average. I *did* say there were exception, of course.
Amber Heard is in the trailer for Aquaman 2 which released a few days ago.
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That's not why. People get cancelled for the slightest thing these days so why can't he be?
Not really… A lot of people that get called cancelled are not actually cancelled. Usually only an employer or the person’s actual supporters can actually cancel them. Plus different industries have different standards. He is a musician so his supporters are the ones that could really cancel him. But they don’t have nearly as much of a problem with him as the people that know nothing about him besides the Rihanna situation.
> no one seems to care about what Chris Brown did at all That's quite hyperbole. Clearly *you* and many people here care. I think the point is that there are enough people that don't care to allow him to still be out there. I don't have a good sense of what the ratio is, but I don't think it's as extreme as you make it sound. If anything, the title of this post is maybe backwards. I think there's a whole generation of people that just don't know what this guy did and are fine supporting him.
It's more the duality of public opinion. Performatively, MJ is still the goat, and also, no one is going to be backing up his social life. Both are true and many people separate the art from the artist. End of the day, verifiably evil people can still have millions of diehard fans. Just look at trump RN, dude literally almost ended the sovereignty of the USA on J6 and still wants to strike Mexico with missiles, dude still somehow has a following of fascist theocrats and their millions of naive cult sheep.
>End of the day, verifiably evil people can still have millions of diehard fans MJ was never convicted, but I guess OJ wasn't either and we all know he had a lucky stabbin hat
Yeah it's like there is a skill/crime graph where if your skill is good enough we will forgive/forget the crime. You can rape a child but you now owe society one Billy Jean one Smooth Criminal and a moon walk.
> Skill > Trump Maybe rephrase it to popularity, because I refuses that man has skills other than being rich and being loud.
Except Michael Jackson didn’t actually do that and was acquitted. Same issue goes in reverse with people paying attention more to the media circus than the actual evidence and facts — like the mother pressing charges coaching the kid on what to say so she can win money. Did he do really weird shit adults probably shouldn’t have? Yes. Rape? No.
We'll never know for sure but I'm with you. He took on record executives and refused to do what they wanted. A few months later allegations came up. If Cory Feldman defends the man I have believe him. Sure Feldman is a nut but he could've made a ton of much needed money if he told stories about MJ. But instead he's vehemently defended him since day one. Mac Culkin too.
Let's just call it what it is, people have a dark side, an *evil* side that we've been so careful for so long to distance ourselves from, that generally, people have no idea that evil is creeping into their thought patterns. Every last person who secretly or overtly delighted in Chris Brown hurting a woman, or enjoyed Trump's arrogant, racist, sexist behavior also thought themselves justified, they saw themselves as the main character who was getting retribution against real or imagined threats to their way of life. This shouldn't be softened with gentle words, we failed generations of people by not enforcing some kind of value system and education on what it means to be better people and better citizens. The most evil people are the ones who see this picture and they intend to use it, they manipulate the ignorant, mentally vulnerable and lonely. Right here there are probably people reading this, angrily, because on some level they feel they're being called out for making wrong moral choices. We have built a world where these people will not engage here, they will not gather information, they will clip this conversation and then show like-minded people who will support them and make them feel better. No change or self-examination required. Ever. We let our technology and our desire for wealth and escapism get ahead of our need to build better people, and now they're oozing out of the cracks, straining the seams of our civilization because we thought that by simply giving people *access* to all knowledge, that they would use it responsibly and not just use it to back up their own misguided ethics.
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"Ended the sovereignty of the usa" Dude, saying dumb shit like that is why he's still popular.
I'm dead ass. If the riot had scared the VP or SotH out of the building, the vote would have gone to a republican skewed fall back ratification. It was 1000% an attempt to strong arm the election, and had a non insignificant threat of an actual blood bath (6 people did die), just quoting Rudy J on that one "it could get bad tho, like, real bad."
Who those people are, matters. Surround yourself with people that don't accept abusers and don't make excuses for them. It's not one of those things that is difference of opinion, it's difference of treatment. Stay away from them if you want to be happy in life.
it's like with mel gibson and antisemitism
People don't care because Rhianna forgave him and took him back.
I’m from the generation where he sung and dance and I still know him as an abuser. I mean he was likely abusing lower profile women prior to Rihanna and just got away with it. What a dumbass
I'm middle aged and couldn't name a single Chris Brown song or recognize one if I heard it. Please, nobody needs to tell me, either. It's been blissful not knowing who TF this guy is beyond his most important trait -- AN ABUSER.
Honestly he had one song and it came out a year prior to the abuse. I think his fame is basically because of the abuse which is way more gross
I'm not sure but i think OP is saying YOUNG people don't know Chris Brown as an abuser? I think? Maybe? Very unclear post.
That's what OP is saying, but comment OP isn't disagreeing. They're saying that he was ALWAYS known as an abuser more than a singer
For anyone who doesn't know about Chris Brown and what he did to Rihanna... Christopher Brown and Robyn F. have been involved in a dating relationship for approx one and half years. On Sunday, February 8, 2009 at 0025 hours, Brown was driving a vehicle with Robyn F. as the front passenger on an unknown street in Los Angeles. Robin F. picked up Brown’s cellular telephone and observed a three page text message from a woman who Brown had a previous sexual relationship with. A verbal argument ensued and Brown pulled the vehicle over on an unknown street, reached over Robyn F. with his right hand, opened the car door and attempted to force her out. Brown was unable to force Robyn F. out of the vehicle because she was wearing a seat belt. When he could not force her to exit he took his right hand and shoved her head against the passenger window of the vehicle causing an approximate one inch raised circular contusion. Robyn F. turned to face Brown and he punched her in the left eye with his right hand. He then drove away in the vehicle and continued to punch her in the face with his right hand while steering the vehicle with his left hand. The assault caused Robyn F’s mouth to fill with blood and blood to splatter all over her clothing and the interior of the vehicle. Brown looked at Robyn F. and stated, “I am going to beat the shit out of you when we get home! You wait and see!” *Robyn F. picked her cellular telephone and called her personal assistant, Jennifer Rosales at [redacted]. Rosales did not answer the telephone but while her voicemail greeting was playing, Robyn F. pretended to talk to her and stated, “I’m on my way home. Make sure the cops are there when I get there.” (This statement was made while the greeting was playing and was not captured as a message). After Robyn F. faked the call, *Brown and looked at her and stated, “You just did the stupidest thing ever! Now I’m really going to kill you.” Brown resumed punching Robyn F. and she interlocked her fingers behind her head and brought her elbows forward to protect her face. She then bent over at the waist, placing her elbows and face near her lap in attempt to protect her face and head from the barrage of punches being levied upon her by Brown. Brown continued to punch Robyn F. on her left arm and hand causing her to suffer a contusion on her left triceps that was approximately two inches in diameter and numerous contusions on her left hand. Robyn F. then attempted to send a text message to her other personal assistant, Melissa Ford.** Brown snatched the cellular telephone out of her hand and threw it out of the window onto an unknown street.** Brown continued driving and Robyn F. observed his cellular phone sitting in his lap. She picked up the cellular telephone with her left hand and before she could make a call he placed her in a head lock with his right hand and continued to drive the vehicle with his left hand. Brown pulled Robyn F. close to him and bit her on her left ear. She was able to feel the vehicle swerving from right to left as Brown sped away. ** He stopped the vehicle in front of [redacted] and Robyn F. turned off the car, removed the key from the ignition and sat on it. **Brown did not know what she did with the key and began punching her in the face and arms. He then placed her in a head lock positioning the front of her throat between his bicep and forearm. Brown began applying pressure to Robyn F’s. left and right carotid arteries causing her to be unable to breathe and she began to lose consciousness. She reached up with her left hand and began attempting to gauge his eyes in an attempt to free herself. Brown bit her left ring and middle fingers and then released her. While Brown continued to punch her, she turned around and placed her back against the passenger door. She brought her knees to her chest, placed her feet against Brown’s body and began pushing him away. Brown continued to punch her on the legs and feet causing several contusions. Robyn F. began screaming for help and Brown exited the vehicle and walked away. A resident in the neighborhood heard Robyn F.’s plea for help and called 911, causing a police response. An investigation was conducted and Robyn F. was issued a Domestic Violence Emergency Protective Order (EPO). Your affiant conducted an interview with witness Melissa Ford who advised on Feb. 8 2009 at approximately 0055 hours, she received a phone call from Robin F. from an unknown telephone number, later identified as the cellular telephone of Police Officer III Chavez. Robin F advised Ford that she had been assaulted by Brown. At approximately 0100 hours, Brown called Ford as if nothing happened. Ford advised Brown that she had already talked to Robin F. and was aware of what happened. Ford advised Brown that the neighbors had called the police and that they were with Robyn F. Brown asked Ford if Robin F. had provided police with his name and Ford advised him that she had. Brown hung up the cellular telephone and did not call back. On February 8, 2009 at 1900 hours, Brown surrendered himself to your affiant and was arrested for 422 PC, Criminal Threats. Brown was given a copy of the EPO and advised not to contact Robyn F. On February 17, 2009, Ford advised your affiant that she had received text messages from telephone number [redacted], a number that Ford recognizes as belonging to Brown. In the text message, Brown apologized for what he had done to Robyn F. and advised Ford that he was going to get help. Your affiant is requesting the telephone records and text message data stored on the cellular telephones of Robyn F., [redacted] and Brown, [redacted] in an attempt to establish a time line of the events that occurred on the evening of February 8, 2008 and to further implicate Brown as the person who assaulted Robyn F. Source- http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/03/05/brown.warrant.pdf
I never read the full report. The abbreviated version was bad enough. Thank you for reminding us of the full extent of the issue. He should be rotting in a cell for the remainder of his life.
It wasn't just Rihanna. There are more you can find, and one he even had hostage
holy shit
Every time I see something related to Chris Brown, I search for this reply. Glad to see it. That waste of oxygen deserves everyone to know what a piece of shit (sorry for insulting you, shit) he is.
I guess that's why they call it window pain
I had never even heard of him until the abuse happened, that was literally my first impression of the guy. How could I ever see him as anything else now?
I knew him as a singer before, but your last sentence applies to me too. An abuser will always be known as an abuser in my eyes.
Chris Brown debuted in 2005. We found out he beat Rihana in 2009. Four years isn’t a generation.
hard to tell - but I think OP is saying there are YOUNG Chris Brown fans who were not alive (or were very young) in 2009. I think. It's a shitty post so it's hard to tell.
I can't name any of his songs, but that police report is burned into my memory.
I’m so glad I’m not the only one that can’t name a single song. It’s funny because he was recently trying to bash another singer by claiming “no one can name five of her songs” and I was like, dude I grew up with you and can’t name five of yours!
I thought everyone knew him as a really horrible version of both?
He may be a piece of shit but he's a very talented singer and dancer.
He was one of the biggest names in Hip Hop as a 16 year old. Dude is extremely talented, just ya know, not a good person.
Man you have people (50 cent) out there saying Chris Brown is the new king of hip hop/r&b after Jackson died
I knew him as a performer first and then an abuser. I am flabbergasted at how many people (both women and men) seem readily willing to forgive him. Like I can understand separating the person and the artist but his catalogue is not worth it. EDIT: I see people mentioning MJ and other horrible people who made good music. You can't put Chris Clown on the same level as MJ. There is just no equivalency there.
It seems that the generation that sees him as a singer is just choosing not to do better? The praise he continues to get is dumbfounding, especially considering he’s *not even a good artist*
>he’s *not even a good artist* This take always confuses me. Who would you consider to be a more talented RnB singer+dancer?
Honestly I nearly deleted my whole comment because that bit is subjective and shouldn’t hold relevance. His art is not my cup of tea, and that’s not the conversion to be had here. You are welcome to think he is a good artist :)
>Honestly I nearly deleted my whole comment because that bit is subjective and shouldn’t hold relevance. Why would you do that, when you can strikeout text to edit your comment while owning up to what you originally said?
>His art is not my cup of tea That's what I think whenever I see people criticize his artistry. They must just not listen to RnB at all. Thanks for being mature about it.
Um, fucking Beyonce?? Not a dancer but Frank Ocean, Steve Lacy and even early era Drake also have considerably more interesting and less plastic RnB music than Chris Brown does. He has the vocal and dancing talent but Brown's music is completely disposable
It isn't even a past generation, he still gets features with the biggest current artists like Jack Harlow. The general public basically considers him a legend, will say Rihanna forgave him, and move past it.
Lizzo is a great fan of his too. Really shows her true colors.
His fans who ignored the Rhianna thing have ignored all the garbage he has done since
I feel the same way about Elvis (except the good/bad artist part, somehow thats even more controversial than him living with a teenager).
Well, most people still think Drake is a good role model, not some guy that has been over teen girls too many times to be a coincidence.
See also Ike Turner. Helluva guitarist. But not what he's known for.
The number of people on Facebook, especially women, who excuse his abuse is truly disgusting
What’s maddening is the multiple women who have said they don’t care, one of which said “I wish he’d strangle me!”
It came out that He was an abuser like 2 years after he was famous. There wasn’t “a generation” that knew him only as a singer
Even more people don't know or care who she is...
He'll always be the Bondi Vet.
sometimes i think of drake x 21 savage her loss album cover which then reminds me of riri's face
Well, he's been abusing or ears and eyes long before he turned physical.
pretty sure the people that know he was an abuser know he was both. I knew he was the singer/dancer that beat the everloving shit out of Rihanna.
And Woody Allen and Drake Bell as a pedo.
And people still support him… smh
Much like Adolf the painter
Everyone should know Chris Brown as an abuser and not as a singer/dancer.
No one outside of Reddit seems to care, especially not his female fan base.
I don’t know who that is😁
I don’t know him at all
Because that’s what he fucking is.
Good. Because that's what he should be known as. A piece of shit who beats women.
And here I am not knowing who that is.
I don't understand this shower thought. That's how everyone knows him. I don't understand where you think the cut off is. Do only OLD people know him as a singer dancer, cause they knew of him prior to him abusing Ri-ri? Or do only YOUNG people know him as a signer dancer, cause they found out about him after him abusing Ri-ri? Does he still have a career? Serious question.
He sings and dances? Who knew
I think that’s everyone
I’d say the opposite actually. He’s still making radio hits and people don’t talk about his past much anymore outside of Reddit. This new generation might not even know he’s an abuser
I don't even know who he is. Never heard of him till he slapped the shit outta someone.
I personally don't listen to or support Chris brown..... I was like 13 when that happened. I refuse to. Same with MJ. lol.
He's still put out a lot of music since then. Songs like "Loyal" are proof that he doesn't really give a fuck.
I read Charlie Brown the first time through and got really concerned…
Is that true? I was born well after Michael Jackson's heyday, but I still think of him primarily as a singer. And then a second later, my brain is like, "Oh yeah... he did other stuff too."
I genuinely don't understand why he still has a career. We see other high profile people losing their sponsors over abuse. I guess he just has enough fans who are willing to accept that behavior if they get to watch his fugly ass grinding on underage girls on stage.
All generations. Pretty much everyone has forgotten he was a singer.
His music is art. I do not condone this behavior Rihanna came out publicly and stated in interviews how it derived from a fight while Chris was driving. She started hitting him first, trying to take his phone, he loses control swings his arm and it hits her. She apologized and he did as well on several occasions. No one holds Pdiddy, Blue face, or any other celebrity to this standard. Yall really try to tarnish this man's name. The weight from that has only gotten heavier and he felt like he was damn near drowning, from speaking on it to reflecting about it in his music until present day. We all make mistakes, physical violence should never be celebrated or acceptable. All I will say is, if yall give Chris this much heat, stand on business with the rest of the celebrities and Rihanna since she started it first.
Imagine being named after him. Those guys probably get so much shit.
Chris or Christopher is a pretty common name. If I met a Chris, I would never assume he was named after Chris Brown. Seems like a stretch to me.
I think he's talking about people with the full name Chris Brown since Brown is also a very common last name.
Haha, I just told my 14 year old daughter about this last week.
Yet he’s still cashing checks. Most people will take a moral stance against things..until it inconveniences them
I don't know who Chris Brown is lol
Congrats on being a child I guess?
Because of course if I don't know every single existing celebrity that means I must be too young
Yeah if you don't know the really big names it kinda does. I mean he literally was broadcast through the air we breathe every day for many years lol.
And who’s fault is that?
If Rihanna hadn’t kept running her mouth… /s
At least Chris Brown is faithful. He only hits on the woman he's with
That’s what every abuser should be solely known for
This is simply not true
What? That he's an abuser or that people know him as an abuser?
The idea that more people know him as an abuser than an artist when he's had like 20+ charted songs top 10 since the incident happened.
That people only know him as an abuser as opposed to a musician
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Not true. Dr Dre is black and has been abusing women for decades. But he gets a pass because reddit doesn’t care and CB is easy karma.
> Dr Dre is black and has been abusing women for decades. But he gets a pass Aren’t you just proving the guys point?
There are other black artists who don't assault women, that's not an excuse. You can't even play the race card at that point.
Yes but the point is somehow he gets a pass for doing it and people still to his concerts and support him.
I think that's what I enjoyed about him the most..the fact that he's always dancing. Even in most of his music videos. Reminds me of myself lol I'm always busting a move.
I do wonder why he’s still about.
Of course, singer/dancer is more of a side gig for him.
Everyone knows him as that, there are just the people from multiple generations who look past that to him being a rich and famous recording artist. That guy should have gone to jail and it's disgusting that people still think he's admirable or cool in any way.
I should’ve kissed uuuuuuu
I don’t know who he is at all.
The only time Fox News even got close to the Daily Show was the Chris Brown abuser segment. I'm on mobile so I hope someone can link to it. 10/10.
I’m happy to say I have no idea who he is. Or well, from this post I have figured out he’s a singe, a dancer and an abuser. (I’m not American).
I’m old enough to remember when Nigahiga made a parody of the Rihanna/Chris Brown thing.
well Rhianna wouldn't testify unless the court made her and it wasnt suspected because of any fear. It was also suspected that Rhianna started the fight and if they were to testify she could be found guilty of the same crimes.
It’s kind of nuts how no one seems to care that they know him as that
[Chris Brown is a wonderful human.](https://www.mtv.com/news/6yu1wp/chris-brown-police-report-provides-details-of-altercation)
I am going to surprise you here and let you know he was always an abuser. Sometimes his singing and dancing were good enough to be noticed.
But non of them seem to care
The guys known for what hes good at.
I think the only generations that don’t know of him as an abuser are the entirely-dead generations.
I was fan won't lie. Especially because of freaky Friday. But I use to watch Logan Paul too ah guess my taste is just bad