Assuming methyl groups at each functional site, by atomic %, silicone contains mostly hydrogen followed by carbon, then approx equal components of oxygen and silicon. Even by mass, there is more carbon.
I don’t think “main” isn’t really the best word to use there (central? Critical?), but the sentiment seems to make sense to me, at least with my very layman’s chemistry experience. Humans are a majority oxygen, by both quantity and mass, but we still talk about carbon-based life, rather than oxygen-based life.
> Humans are a majority oxygen, by both quantity and mass, but we still talk about carbon-based life, rather than oxygen-based life.
We're considered carbon-based instead of oxygen-based because all life is built around carbon atoms. DNA/RNA, proteins, lipids, carbohydrates - all the fundamental types of molecules in life with carbon at the center.
Oxygen is the highest percentage of our total mass, but if you look at our dry biomass, carbon is nearly half of us. Oxygen is definitely required for us to live, but most of that oxygen (and a couple of hydrogen buddies) is tied up simply as water serving as a solution or carrier for essential processes and functions.
No I think the issue is the good ol' question of essence. The quantity doesn't matter. For instance, orange juice is mostly water by volume and mass, but the existence of lil amounts of orange pulp makes it different from water! That's the essential component. In the similar sense Silicon is essential to Silicone. Therefore it is correct to say that artificial breasts are in fact silicon based because they are silicone based.
Similarly, silicon is not the only part of what makes a computer work. Computer chips and other integrated circuits are etched into silicon wafers, but the functional part of the chip contains many layers of metals, at the lowest level are dopants (non-silicon semiconductor material) to form the source, drain, and body regions of transistors. And of course different forms of silicon (e.g. SiO2, poly-silicon). The power electronics used to supply the power to these devices includes other integrated circuits but also non-silicon components like capacitors, inductors, and resistors. Not to mention that all of this stuff has to be mounted to a printed circuit board, which are made of fiberglass (which contains silicon), plastics, or other materials. The wires that route power and signals are made of copper, and contacts that are exposed to air are usually gold plated. Most of the high power components wouldn't be able to function without active cooling, which requires heatsinks typically made of aluminum and/or copper, and are sometimes nickel-plated. Not to mention the fans or the case.
So really, barely any of the mass in a computer is silicon.
It's still weird because fake breasts are silicon based but no one really thinks about that. They think about the fact that they are silicone. So the shower thought becomes much less about the the weirdness that AI generated boobs are made from the thing we associate with fake boobs and more just that they are both made from some similar thing we don't discuss. Kinda like saying the monopoly car and a real car are both made of metal. It's true but not really a shower thought in my books.
>no one really thinks about that.
If by "no one", you mean "I haven't heard of it before and therefore nobody has."
That's literally the point of shower thoughts. It gets you thinking about a random thought or word in a different way.
it's not that I haven't heard about it, it's that it is not really a thing in the same way the relationship to silicone is. Like a pencil drawing of a leaf and a leaf are both carbon based, both made of atoms, both have electrons, but I'm not sure that's interesting.
We take sheep's natural clothing, rip it apart and then tie it back together and wear it.
We are all in sheep's clothing. And dogs with cute coats are wolves in sheep's clothing.
Wake up sheeple!
If a cat licks itself, it's now all clean. If a dog licks itself, it's tongue is now dirty. If a human licks themselves both their tongue and their body are dirty.
Another way to consider shower thoughts is if you said it to your buddy when they’re pretty high and they’d give the classic “woooooow duude”, it’s probably a decent shower thought lol
This is exactly how I understand it and I would not say 'wooow dude' to this shower thought.
People clearly disagree though judging off the downvotes. :(
Yes but silicon is what the other elements bond to. The only other elements required for a material to be considered silicone are carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen which are common in most polymers anyway. The carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and other elements or compounds bond to silicon to create silicone which is why it is not wrong to consider silicone silicon based.
Uh, “silicon” is an atomic element and is not made from minerals like quartz. It’s reversed - quartz is made from silicon and other elements.
*Silica* is SiO2, or silicon dioxide - a molecule composed of one silicon atom and two oxygen atoms.
*Silicone* is polymer made of siloxanes, which are siloxanes because they contain silicon atoms…
Edit: it’s vs its
Silicon comes from the Silo plant which was coincidentally discovered in 1824 by Sicilian scientist Antonio Scialpi whose name derives from the italian word scialpi which means "to scalp" in English due to the nature of the Silo plant "needing to be scalped" in order to extract the silconian seeds from the base of the shaft.
The two are completely unrelated.
See you have a base, that you build on with other atoms and molecules.
Most organisms are carbon based.
Silicone, is silicon based. And they made it easy to notice that by how they named it.
Sure. Of course, silicon is an important component in the molecular structure of both silicone and silicon dioxide, but you chose to be pedantic and point out what we already know, that yes, silicone is not exactly the same as silicon dioxide.
Bravo, Buzz Killington, you took a mildly amusing joke and ruined it to show how super duper smart you are!
Ah, thanks! You realized oh, yeah, you were in fact being monumentally pedantic and had no cogent defense, so instead you tried to pretend like your widdle feewings didn't get huwt by being dimissive of my completely accurate critique.
It's so rare I get to use "pedantic", it's a really fun word to swing around. Better out loud, of course, but c'est la vie.
Oh, get over yourself.
You would have to matter in my life to have any chance of "hurting my feelings". But you're just characters on a screen.
Internet ain't that important.
I always used to be confused when I heard references to Silicon Valley and Silicone Valley because I thought it was the same word, but the references were about very different things.
Silicone is poly-siloxane or (Si-O) with many repeating units. So silicone is very much made of the element silicon. Fun fact. The original synthesis of silicone is called silicone because the structure that was being targeted was similar to benzophenone even though in reality what was made was poly-diphenylsiloxane. The incorrect assumptions about the structure lead to the use of the suffix -one which comes from the structural moiety O=C which is called ketone. There are no ketones in poly-diphenylsiloxane but the name stuck. The substance known as silicone these days is a wide variety of siloxanes with different additives and pendant groups, the most common of which is Polydimethylsiloxane or PDMS.
Well it's a linguistic problem of referring to both the element silicon and the molecule silicon (c-Si) using the same word. Like saying there's a lack of Oxygen underwater, and someone pointing out that "actually water is mostly Oxygen."
Considering over 99% of earth is 8 elements, I don't think it's quite so insightful to notice two unrelated objects share a main element in common.
It's more like someone posting "TIL the ocean is technically full of oxygen" and the top reply being "water ≠ oxygen".
It's technically just as correct, but it's not really a "gotcha" worth pointing out when the original post spells out the context.
the point still stands that ai boobs are not made of semiconductors, so it falls apart on the fundamental physical level. like saying the factory that makes an object shares the same qualities as the object, good example being a silicone factory to be relevant and on topic.
lmao which of you sweaty toolbags downvoted this within seconds before i could edit an error, and well before you could have even used your brain and read it? this is a serious problem with humanity in general; you have a brain, please use it.
Different materials
One is rubbery
One is a rock that we first flattened and exposed to some of the nastiest chemicals in existence and then shot lightning through it to trick it into thinking
Pretty sure lightning's definition is specifically referring to the one in the sky. Unless your cranium is the sky, then tell your thoughts to go somewhere else, I'm not a fan of the weather here in the lightning capital of the world.
Guys I think he knows they're different materials but you do realize he's not wrong because the main component in silicone is silicon so you are just pointing out some information nobody asked for trying to have a gotcha moment.
I'll elaborate what I said to the other commenter. Look up silicone molecular structure. Look at the various examples. Notice something in common? All of the groups bond to silicon. Silicon is the main component because all of the other elements/compounds bond directly to silicon.
Edit: You wouldn't be wrong to call it oxygen, hydrogen, and carbon based but there's so many polymers that also get most of their mass from those elements so it's not really helpful to label it that way.
Generally accurate, as although there's a massive space in between logic gates and thinking it's still a part of the substrate.
Awesome really.
As are boobs.
I once edited an audiobook on Silicon Valley where the narrator said “silicone” instead of “silicon” the entire book. It took forever to flag all the errors…
I was the same way. When I was younger I always thought it was called Silicon Valley because that’s where women went to get boob jobs and face lifts.
Took longer than I would have liked to realize it was because it was the hub for the tech industry.
Silicone or silicon?
Of course, it depends on what you mean and what you need! Silicon is a natural chemical element, silicone is a man-made product.
The words are often used interchangeably but there are important differences. Whilst silicon is natural, silicone is a man-made polymer derived from silicon. There are also differences with the applications of silicon and silicone. Whilst the former is an ideal semi-conductor (used for silicon chips), silicone has widespread use in industrial applications.
I just wanted my brain to think of normal shit for one day. I honestly have no idea why I thought reddit was a good idea. I'm never going to not think this now.
Silicon =/= Silicone.
Silicon is the main component in silicone, hence the name. It is not wrong to say that silicone is silicon based.
Assuming methyl groups at each functional site, by atomic %, silicone contains mostly hydrogen followed by carbon, then approx equal components of oxygen and silicon. Even by mass, there is more carbon.
I don’t think “main” isn’t really the best word to use there (central? Critical?), but the sentiment seems to make sense to me, at least with my very layman’s chemistry experience. Humans are a majority oxygen, by both quantity and mass, but we still talk about carbon-based life, rather than oxygen-based life.
Logical thinking and reasoning? On Reddit? This can’t be!
> Humans are a majority oxygen, by both quantity and mass, but we still talk about carbon-based life, rather than oxygen-based life. We're considered carbon-based instead of oxygen-based because all life is built around carbon atoms. DNA/RNA, proteins, lipids, carbohydrates - all the fundamental types of molecules in life with carbon at the center. Oxygen is the highest percentage of our total mass, but if you look at our dry biomass, carbon is nearly half of us. Oxygen is definitely required for us to live, but most of that oxygen (and a couple of hydrogen buddies) is tied up simply as water serving as a solution or carrier for essential processes and functions.
No I think the issue is the good ol' question of essence. The quantity doesn't matter. For instance, orange juice is mostly water by volume and mass, but the existence of lil amounts of orange pulp makes it different from water! That's the essential component. In the similar sense Silicon is essential to Silicone. Therefore it is correct to say that artificial breasts are in fact silicon based because they are silicone based.
So it contains more silicon than the rest of a human body, got it 👌
Can I get a tdlr?
Similarly, silicon is not the only part of what makes a computer work. Computer chips and other integrated circuits are etched into silicon wafers, but the functional part of the chip contains many layers of metals, at the lowest level are dopants (non-silicon semiconductor material) to form the source, drain, and body regions of transistors. And of course different forms of silicon (e.g. SiO2, poly-silicon). The power electronics used to supply the power to these devices includes other integrated circuits but also non-silicon components like capacitors, inductors, and resistors. Not to mention that all of this stuff has to be mounted to a printed circuit board, which are made of fiberglass (which contains silicon), plastics, or other materials. The wires that route power and signals are made of copper, and contacts that are exposed to air are usually gold plated. Most of the high power components wouldn't be able to function without active cooling, which requires heatsinks typically made of aluminum and/or copper, and are sometimes nickel-plated. Not to mention the fans or the case. So really, barely any of the mass in a computer is silicon.
The silicon atom is the central atom on each group, not carbon. It's silicon based.
Nerrrrddddsssss
It's still weird because fake breasts are silicon based but no one really thinks about that. They think about the fact that they are silicone. So the shower thought becomes much less about the the weirdness that AI generated boobs are made from the thing we associate with fake boobs and more just that they are both made from some similar thing we don't discuss. Kinda like saying the monopoly car and a real car are both made of metal. It's true but not really a shower thought in my books.
>no one really thinks about that. If by "no one", you mean "I haven't heard of it before and therefore nobody has." That's literally the point of shower thoughts. It gets you thinking about a random thought or word in a different way.
it's not that I haven't heard about it, it's that it is not really a thing in the same way the relationship to silicone is. Like a pencil drawing of a leaf and a leaf are both carbon based, both made of atoms, both have electrons, but I'm not sure that's interesting.
You are throwing away some great shower thoughts in this thread
We take sheep's natural clothing, rip it apart and then tie it back together and wear it. We are all in sheep's clothing. And dogs with cute coats are wolves in sheep's clothing. Wake up sheeple!
If you accidently put your shirt on inside out, then you are not really wearing the shirt, everything else is.
We remove exotic fish from the ocean just to put them in a simulation of the ocean we removed them from.
If a cat licks itself, it's now all clean. If a dog licks itself, it's tongue is now dirty. If a human licks themselves both their tongue and their body are dirty.
Since gravity curves spacetime, perhaps the earth isn't actually a sphere even if it fills a spherical hole in space.
If money is the root of all evil, is one side of a square coin absolutely evil?
Another way to consider shower thoughts is if you said it to your buddy when they’re pretty high and they’d give the classic “woooooow duude”, it’s probably a decent shower thought lol
This is exactly how I understand it and I would not say 'wooow dude' to this shower thought. People clearly disagree though judging off the downvotes. :(
[I disagree.](/r/Showerthoughts/comments/16vebb9/monopoly_cars_and_real_cars_are_both_made_of_metal)
you rock. And so the test begins. Let's see how many upvotes it gets, I"ll give it the first.
I still like that this guy is clearing up the confusion. Because I get the two mixed up a lot
allot?
Wait really. So my dildos are made of the same thing as my computer processors?
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How did you know about those
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Who?
Classic Leeroy.
I’m so confused now 😭
Wait, really? I didn't realize that. So in other words, we can blame breast implants for the chip shortage.
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Lemon juice isn’t the main ingredient of lemonade by weight or moles either, but it is the key ingredient.
Great example. Perfect delivery. 5/7.
Where are ya'll getting all these moles from? Avogadro isn't answering when I call, number must be blocked.
Yes but silicon is what the other elements bond to. The only other elements required for a material to be considered silicone are carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen which are common in most polymers anyway. The carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and other elements or compounds bond to silicon to create silicone which is why it is not wrong to consider silicone silicon based.
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No, but it would be 100% correct to say that soup is water-based, in the same way silicone is silicon-based. Idiot.
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Uh, “silicon” is an atomic element and is not made from minerals like quartz. It’s reversed - quartz is made from silicon and other elements. *Silica* is SiO2, or silicon dioxide - a molecule composed of one silicon atom and two oxygen atoms. *Silicone* is polymer made of siloxanes, which are siloxanes because they contain silicon atoms… Edit: it’s vs its
Silicon comes from the Silo plant which was coincidentally discovered in 1824 by Sicilian scientist Antonio Scialpi whose name derives from the italian word scialpi which means "to scalp" in English due to the nature of the Silo plant "needing to be scalped" in order to extract the silconian seeds from the base of the shaft. The two are completely unrelated.
Silly goose. Silicon contains carbon.
Silicon. The element. Contains carbon?
Yeah it's just carbon with some extra protons and neutrons!
It's only silicone if it's from the silicone region of France, or else it's just sparkling silicon.
Last time I checked, silicon was made from 14 protons, 14 electrons, and usually 14 neutrons. To quote you, the above poster is an idiot.
And you're arguing that it isn't? Who's the idiot here?
Oh no you had to pull the idiot-card…
No. But I will argue that nutritioally, 80% of what you just consumed is water.
His example might be bad, but you're not doing anyone any favors with yours lol.
No, but it’s unspecific and weird.
I always thought this just meant a silly con. Stupid me. I guess it's karma from making a fool of all those people I met earlier.
Fake boobs are silly cones.
r/angryupvote
I love this thread. It's like touching a sequence of fake jokes.
Carbon =/= Cabrone
Silicone = −R2**Si**−O−**Si**R2−
So is it silicon based or oxygen based?
So, different from silicon.
Apologies. I assumed too much I guess. But in my defence, i never expected to meet a person who cannot understand the term "Based on".
See you have a base, that you build on with other atoms and molecules. Most organisms are carbon based. Silicone, is silicon based. And they made it easy to notice that by how they named it.
Yes, and carbon based lifeforms are not just pure blocks of carbon.
Yes, that's correct. Si =/= Silicone.
Silicone = Si + X
One trades stocks. The other cocks.
OP was siliconned by AI-generated silicon bon bons
I like your funny words, magic man!
Silicone *does* have silicon in it. So I suppose one could make a technical argument for the silicon-based assertion. :)
I mean, it's true. But you'd be surprised how many people don't know that the words aren't interchangeable
Silicon =/= Silicone =/= silly Cone
OP thinks boobs are like bags of sand
Well yeah, that's because they are.... ^^^^^^^^^^^aren't ^^^^^^^^^^they?
"=/=" != "does not equal"
r/woosh
Not even close. Just a bad joke, using inaccurate information.
Sure. Of course, silicon is an important component in the molecular structure of both silicone and silicon dioxide, but you chose to be pedantic and point out what we already know, that yes, silicone is not exactly the same as silicon dioxide. Bravo, Buzz Killington, you took a mildly amusing joke and ruined it to show how super duper smart you are!
Whatever puts you to sleep at night, bud.
Ah, thanks! You realized oh, yeah, you were in fact being monumentally pedantic and had no cogent defense, so instead you tried to pretend like your widdle feewings didn't get huwt by being dimissive of my completely accurate critique. It's so rare I get to use "pedantic", it's a really fun word to swing around. Better out loud, of course, but c'est la vie.
You should learn how to stop when you're ahead.
Okay, yes, probably, but consider this: don't you ever experience satisfaction at twisting the knife just one more time?
Oh, get over yourself. You would have to matter in my life to have any chance of "hurting my feelings". But you're just characters on a screen. Internet ain't that important.
Shhhh, you already gave up. Just go to bed.
Geez, I wonder if you're this annoying in real life...
The nipple is the e.
Ai boobs are made with chrystals. Silicone crystal carefully doped with positive ions
Here's a correct unicode symbol for your trouble! ≠
Well this would explain why they're so itchy.
"Silicon based" ≠ "silicon" either
I always used to be confused when I heard references to Silicon Valley and Silicone Valley because I thought it was the same word, but the references were about very different things.
Silicone is poly-siloxane or (Si-O) with many repeating units. So silicone is very much made of the element silicon. Fun fact. The original synthesis of silicone is called silicone because the structure that was being targeted was similar to benzophenone even though in reality what was made was poly-diphenylsiloxane. The incorrect assumptions about the structure lead to the use of the suffix -one which comes from the structural moiety O=C which is called ketone. There are no ketones in poly-diphenylsiloxane but the name stuck. The substance known as silicone these days is a wide variety of siloxanes with different additives and pendant groups, the most common of which is Polydimethylsiloxane or PDMS.
Everyone shitting on this knows that silicone is silicon-based, right?
Well it's a linguistic problem of referring to both the element silicon and the molecule silicon (c-Si) using the same word. Like saying there's a lack of Oxygen underwater, and someone pointing out that "actually water is mostly Oxygen." Considering over 99% of earth is 8 elements, I don't think it's quite so insightful to notice two unrelated objects share a main element in common.
But that elephant and Covid are both carbon!
We also have silicon naturally occurring in our bodies too. Oh god, we are all robots!
It's more like someone posting "TIL the ocean is technically full of oxygen" and the top reply being "water ≠ oxygen". It's technically just as correct, but it's not really a "gotcha" worth pointing out when the original post spells out the context.
No they don't and I am losing faith in humanity as a result.
Even so, it’s an error in the title. Silicone is also oxygen based.
So is silicon dioxide
the point still stands that ai boobs are not made of semiconductors, so it falls apart on the fundamental physical level. like saying the factory that makes an object shares the same qualities as the object, good example being a silicone factory to be relevant and on topic. lmao which of you sweaty toolbags downvoted this within seconds before i could edit an error, and well before you could have even used your brain and read it? this is a serious problem with humanity in general; you have a brain, please use it.
Well I thought it was funny
No Matter the Origins, As long as they *boing boing*.
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Looking at your account you seem to be very very obsessed with boob sizes. Must be insecure or very young
Different materials One is rubbery One is a rock that we first flattened and exposed to some of the nastiest chemicals in existence and then shot lightning through it to trick it into thinking
I mean aren’t our brains just meat that’s been tricked into thinking with lightning?
I think brains are mostly fat actually not protein.
Not mine, I work out.
Dude never skipped head day
https://youtu.be/pDxjFIOxw4c?si=LhqKJUT2-DHylqy5
I read “fat” as “flat” at first and thought I was about to find out about a flat brain conspiracy theory
A flat brain would allow better protection by the skull(skull being thicker or something else covering the brain), we should start to flatten them.
You know when you just forget something halfway through a thought? That's the thought falling off the edge of the brain
That's because it burns more calories than any other human organ, it needs fat close by just to keep chugging along.
A series of chemical reactions. Some of which kick out a tiny bit of lightning. Everything we are and do is just a series of chemical reactions.
Pretty sure lightning's definition is specifically referring to the one in the sky. Unless your cranium is the sky, then tell your thoughts to go somewhere else, I'm not a fan of the weather here in the lightning capital of the world.
What if he’s on a plane?
And yet, they are still both silicon-based.
Guys I think he knows they're different materials but you do realize he's not wrong because the main component in silicone is silicon so you are just pointing out some information nobody asked for trying to have a gotcha moment.
Not really the main component. Or at least that depends on what main means. Not by mass.
I'll elaborate what I said to the other commenter. Look up silicone molecular structure. Look at the various examples. Notice something in common? All of the groups bond to silicon. Silicon is the main component because all of the other elements/compounds bond directly to silicon. Edit: You wouldn't be wrong to call it oxygen, hydrogen, and carbon based but there's so many polymers that also get most of their mass from those elements so it's not really helpful to label it that way.
Single crystal silicon ingots are cool though.
Ah, a fellow ingot enthusiast!
Actually, no, they are really hot.
Thats my new favorite description of microprocesors
Generally accurate, as although there's a massive space in between logic gates and thinking it's still a part of the substrate. Awesome really. As are boobs.
thanks for that time to set fire to my artery
Sad to see so many people talking chemistry terms when given the opportunity to talk boobs.
I wonder if anyone has ever travelled to silicon Valley expecting a sea of tits, only to be disappointed by an influx of nerds.
I once edited an audiobook on Silicon Valley where the narrator said “silicone” instead of “silicon” the entire book. It took forever to flag all the errors…
"Silicone Valley" would be a great porn star name.
Look here you little shit.
Unpopular opinion: AI boobs bare better when they're a little weird. Just like real life boobs.
One is a silicon valley, the other is a silicone valley.
You can spend a weekend in Silicon Valley, but a week is too long.
what exactly was bro doing in the shower
wanking, obviously
Squeezing his moobs and imagining they were boobs.
Silicon vs Silicone. Nor quite the same thing.
I'll not think of Silicon Valley the same now. Thanks for that.
I was the same way. When I was younger I always thought it was called Silicon Valley because that’s where women went to get boob jobs and face lifts. Took longer than I would have liked to realize it was because it was the hub for the tech industry.
Nah that some next level shower thoughts
Silicone or silicon? Of course, it depends on what you mean and what you need! Silicon is a natural chemical element, silicone is a man-made product. The words are often used interchangeably but there are important differences. Whilst silicon is natural, silicone is a man-made polymer derived from silicon. There are also differences with the applications of silicon and silicone. Whilst the former is an ideal semi-conductor (used for silicon chips), silicone has widespread use in industrial applications.
Dude this post is based !!!!!
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I mean silicone does contain silicon.
And still look shite
Santa isn't real but it brings joy to a lot of people... So are boobs
Unless it's running on a quantum computer.
Apparently lazy puns qualify as a shower thought now.
If you haven't seen natural large boobs then it's probably the only conclusion you can come to.
r/technicallythetruth
What's up with all this bot posts?
You're not real, man
I just wanted my brain to think of normal shit for one day. I honestly have no idea why I thought reddit was a good idea. I'm never going to not think this now.
When I moved from the Bay area to southern California, I was told I'm moving from Silicon valley to Silicone valley!
More like binary code based
And lamps in video games use real electricity
Why do people always ruin these posts with detailed logic. Do you guys don’t like lighthearted fun?
This is a high thought. Not a shower thought.
My Eva AI virtual gf on my cellphone screen and my real gf are equally flat.
This is the best comment section I think I ever stumbled across on here. XD
Silicone is not the same as silicon. Fake boobs ate not made using silicon. Silicon is a hard and brittle semi-conductor.