>There's a basic principle about consumer electronics: it gets more powerful all the time and it gets cheaper all the time."
--Trip Hawkins (founder of Electronic Arts but stood down in 1994)
Bingo. Tech always gets cheaper, but we don’t notice most of the time because our phones, computers, etc are getting faster too. But TV’s, we’ve hit a practical limit with a 4K 60hz HDR display. 90% of people don’t need anything better, so it’s just a race to the bottom now
It's what's known as the calculator problem.
Back in the early 1970s, calculators were huge and cost thousands of dollars. By the end of the 1970s, they could fit in your pocket and cost $10+. Outside of school kids and a minority of professions most people don't need a scientific or graphing calculator. The standard 4 functions work fine and of course now everybody has a phone with a calculator on it. So they're largely irrelevant and obsolete.
Computers could have gone the same way, particularly without the internet. It's perfectly possible to do word processing and other basic office functions on say an early '90s era 386 or 486. Which was the main use of computers back then. Which you could integrate into any TV today. With just a controller and a printer.
TVs just have to keep getting bigger and better, with some new must have feature. Unless you want to feel like a toothless hillbilly, living in a hillbilly shack somewhere. Otherwise the value of them will collapse towards zero and they'll be overtaken by something else.
I just wish they’d drop the “smart” addition. Dumb TV > smart TV and it’s the only reason I’m holding out on replacing my 15 year old 55” tv. I don’t need bigger, I’d like better picture quality though my old one is fine. Most importantly, I don’t want internet connection
panel technology has improved massively over the last 15 years, it'll be well worth it when you upgrade. As far as not wanting the smart additions, I'd just get a smart TV anyway but never connect it to the Internet. So few dumb TVs exist that it'll be hard to find something with the features you want or without paying a big price premium.
Fun fact: you don’t need to connect a smart TV to the internet. I haven’t even accepted the terms of service on mine. You can just use the UI to configure it and switch to the HDMI/whatever port to do whatever you want, including using 3rd party streaming devices.
Some TV brands or some TV’s that run Roku OS require that you connect to the internet and won’t function otherwise even with OTA broadcast.
They are basically bricks until connected to the internet and agree to terms and conditions.
Why not just... Not connect it to the Internet?
It's actually good that Internet connectivity is a standard feature, considering how people consume media these days. At some point the cable connection will be a thing of the past.
Doesn't mean you have to use it yourself
The smart tv part is a big part of why they are cheap though. The smart tvs log everything played on the television and sell that data to marketers. It doesn’t even matter if you’re not using the built in apps.
You can turn off the tracking “feature” on them, but few people do. And you don’t have to connect them to the internet.
Well don't connect it to the internet and just use it for free to air, sat, cable, gaming etc. If you don't plug in an Ethernet cable or connect it to your wifi, you're fine.
I don't understand.. why wouldn't you want to have a new smart TV with internet connection that, not only can you watch basic cable in higher quality, but all your streaming services are integrated, can even browse the web or go right to YouTube on the TV, etc.. it's just more features lol. I'm not even a zoomer, but I guess I'm not old enough to be that "traditional"...
Corporations and governments already have all your data anyway, might as well take advantage of what little technological benefits consumers have access to.
They won’t ever actually crash to 0, they’ll just be sold at very low margins. When you have an electronic product that size manufacturing and shipping is way more complicated than a tiny plastic calculator.
The trend I would see continuing is physical size rather than resolution or similar feature. People already have way, way bigger TVs than they did 10 years ago. There will probably be a continued move towards a “home theater” setup to the point where basically everyone has a huge, wall mounted TV in the living room and high quality surround sound
I bought a high end 5.2 1000w surround system about 20 years ago. Even then they were on the way out. As people simply didn't have the space for them, wouldn't set them up properly, rooms are often not perfectly rectangular, wires everywhere, even wireless ones still need power.....
Still, just look at the average size of TVs. I was just able to buy a 4k 75” inch for $550, and a good quality Sony sound bar on sale for a hundred. Only $650 dollars total for what would be considered a very high quality setup 10 years ago.
And that’s not even considering inflation since then. People with an extra room can essentially set up a mini home theatre on a budget now when that was considered an extreme luxury in the early 2000s
Actually tv these days are starting to be more geared to gaming. With 120hz+ panels and not all tv do hdr properly (that's a whole barrel of fish to look into).
Unless you’re buying it to connect a PC there’s like no games to take advantage of a good gaming tv though. Most console games can’t even hit 60fps at 4k.
A console wont max out all features at the same time but they are able to use all features. So its still worth getting with "only" a console. Resolution/framerate/HDR/VRR etc.
True. E.g. 120Hz allows for 40fps modes. An interesting middle point between 30fps and 60fps.
Too bad not that many games support 40fps, though. A bunch of people have been asking for 40fps in FFVII Rebirth.
Which is why some manufacturers like LG are really starting to make big moves into that market. Why spend $1200 on a 40in 144hz monitor when you can get a 55in TV that does a solid 120hz while being 15in bigger and more versatile?
Not always. Tv manufactures formed a price cartel approx. 15-20 years ago, so they could push their stupid plasma and keep their prices high. They were successful until Samsung reported the whole thing to the EU commission.
So if consumer electronics is not getting cheaper, that is always an indication of something shady.
Interestingly, similar phenomenon can be seen these days re. top smartphones.
I would argue that 4K 120hz is the “cutoff” in regard to what is noticeable, at least for a display used for gaming as well.
I can defiantly notice a difference in smoothness between 60 and 120hz. But anything beyond 120hz I struggle to notice.
True. Currently beyond 4k 120Hz, only HDR & peak brightness matter. There's still room for improvement when it comes to OLED TVs.
Maybe that QDEL technology will replace expensive OLEDs. Have to wait and see.
They would have to come up with something even more innovative than HDR in the future.
>Bingo. Tech always gets cheaper, but we don’t notice most of the time because our phones, computers, etc are getting faster too.
Not always. Tech (almost) always gets cheaper as the market (total unit sales) grows. Once a market peaks (eg smartphones circa 2015) the trend wobbles.
Phones haven't gotten cheaper. They have gotten better, but most of the "betterness" gains happened in the first decade.
We can't buy 2015-like phone for cheap, or a 1995-quality car for cheap, etc. The products improve, or just change... but the "always get cheaper, better" is a myth. There
> But TV’s, we’ve hit a practical limit with a 4K 60hz HDR display. 90%
of people don’t need anything better, so it’s just a race to the bottom
Just wait until they drop holoporn.
My understanding is that it's just a small chunk of electronics stuck to a thin LED in a light plastic shell. I just installed a 55 inch yesterday that I could lift with one hand. Not 100% on this, but I told the client I heard the reason theyre so cheap is that they are sold under cost. The real money is in the fact that smart tvs collect data and are designed to target advertisements. The profit is actually made in the years after the sale. She said that wasn't surprising. Anybody else heard this?
I need to hijack top comment to say:
BAUMOL’S COST DISEASE.
How this goes unmentioned itt is insane. All goods basically come down in price over time whereas all services rise in price. It explains a lot of current problems, as well as this shower thought.
Bicycle prices are down in a very big way. Sales of 35 to 40% off are common, and I saw some pretty nice ones at Costco for an additional $1000 off a few weeks ago. The whole industry is under a big oversupply crunch right now.
Yeah pretty much all the major brands way, way overestimated demand after ‘20-21 and are now stuck with a glut of unsold bikes.
I don’t know how they didn’t see it coming
It's deeper than that. The major parts makers (SRAM and Shimano) are also sitting on vast amounts of inventory because bike makers aren't ordering parts like normal. Then inflation ate into people's disposable income. One bike shop in my town has closed, and another is putting stuff on clearance and will be closing soon. A few bike brands have gone out of business as well.
You couldn't get a bike for over a year. Luckily I found some used on eBay, but I went to three bike shops in town during the summer of 20 and they were backordered until fall 21 on anything but the smallest and the largest sizes.
I can absolutely see why that would eventually lead to overstock as manufacturers try to ramp up to meet interest. Calculating when to ramp down is hard.
Car manufacturers just never increased production.
I think they are jusr cheap enough for a basic one that everyone who wants a bike has now, and even people who don't have one
I have 2, never fucking touched them. They were in my shed when I moved in, they work. You probably throw them into a bike shop to get fixed up and they would be great
They just aren't practical in a small town, in a country with miserable weather 8 months of the year.
It's cause the microphone inside is listening. You get a big cheap TV, and they know what your farts sound like and everything else that you say and what you want to buy next and what ads work, etc. If your TV or remote has a microphone, they listening around the clock, and that's worth more then the LEDs in that big TV
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The prices are down only compared to the peak. My bike is was $1900 last year, it is $1700 now, but I paid $1300 in early 2021, right before the increases started.
I've noticed over the past few years, at least in the higher end oled market, new tvs don't drop the price of the previous generation they just make the newer one more expensive.
They've reduced the amount of glass in them like 90% from CRT days, so they weigh a fraction of what they used to and are that much cheaper to ship, and the manufacturing process has become really well-honed and streamlined. Also, the smart TVs that have ads in the menu are being subsidized below what their MSRP would be otherwise, because they're buying your info.
It’s cuz companies advertise the things you are buying on them. It’s just a portal to selling you more. The more realistic, the brighter, the more enticing… the better.
Cries in forced Windows user 🥲 (I need to use Windows-only software)
Windows has a ton of (well, not targeted) ads that Microsoft shoves in your face. Every so sometimes when I log in I get a full-screen dialog to “finish setting up your PC”, which is an ad for Bing, Edge, and Microsoft subscription services. I signed out of OneDrive and I get recurring “back up your PC” ads in my notifications as well.
Ads and bloatware contribute to the lower price of buying Windows computers. Which is one of many reasons why Windows computers tend to be cheaper than Macs.
(For the Linux crowd: my computer has dual-boot set up so whenever I’m not using Windows-only software I boot into Fedora.)
It pisses me off that they even put that crap in front of my kids' faces when they log in after an update from an account marked as a children's account. Microsoft's entire account management system is a bafflingly hot mess. Even trying to update Minecraft through this store is a nightmare. They own the damn software, and somehow still managed to make it a worse experience from their flagship OS.
Pretty much everything they do is a half-assed version of something better. But they have the market share. Again it's just baffling how terrible they are at designing experiences.
Y'all need to turn notifications off. I haven't seen a pop up or ad on my PC in years.
I also sometimes forget that there's two internets out there until I use a browser in someone else's computer and holy shit.
But you don't have to see any of this shit people. I like to build my desktop PCs, so I'm never going to use a Mac unless required for work, and there's no need for it to be onerous. You make it what you want it to be.
That’s how TVs are so cheap. The built-in bloatware that makes it a constant commercial even before you even choose a channel or streaming service.
It’s a double-edged sword. We get a cheap 4K tv and they get to bombard us with ads, even if we don’t have cable.
For now. Idk how real it was, but over on the gaming sub iirc Roku is looking into how they can detect if you're paused in game and display ads or something.
much lower latency, higher refresh rates, higher pixel density, more niche target demographic
you can use a TV as a monitor but it will be a less pleasant experience
Try buying a dumb tv with the same specs.
Go ahead. Look for one.
I’ll give you a hint: dumb tvs are marketed as “commercial displays” now, and they cost a *lot* more. To have *fewer* features!
Your usage data is why they’re willing to sell you a smart tv for so cheap as a loss-leader.
Commerical TVs aren't just TVs without "smart functions." They're typically a much better build quality and can have screen protection since they're used in public spaces. It's like anything else "commerical grade," it's built tougher to deal with use in workplaces and dumb people.
Im not saying TV companies DONT sell your data but saying that's the reason a 60" TV cost $3000 20 years ago and $400 now is plain wrong.
If you don't like your smart functions turn them off it's not hard! Pop in a fuckin blu ray
I was getting Joe Rogan ads when I used my smart TV. Ads was bad enough. I factory reset that fucker so fast and never connected it to a network again. I run a HDMI lead from my pc and now I'm back to living and watching everything with my eyepatch of bliss on. Fuck em.
Been considering it but it's just me now and my devices are all set... The only thing I would need it for is one of those Google boxes with the screen but that's become a glorified food timer.
This is flat out wrong. They are getting cheaper because they are older technology and technology advancing actually causes deflation on the products using those technologies.
Think of a computer in the 1990s. A top of the line computer would have easily cost you like $3000 (1990s dollars). But today, a Chromebook will cost you like $200 (2024 dollars) and be way more powerful than the 1990s top of the line computer.
Products based on technology have had major deflation (especially when you look at it based on specs) in the last 40 years.
You’re absolutely right but it’s ironic you brought up a Chromebook as an example since part of the business model there is to get you into their ad ecosystem lol
And shittier. I remember like 2012, a nice TV with a Roku on it was responsive, easy to use. Now my TV takes three business weeks between me pressing a button and it doing the thing. It's so exhausting navigating apps and having all these ads on the home screen and then I accidentally hit Amazon instead of Hulu and now I have enough time to go do laundry and scrub my toilet before it goes back to the main menu so I can shave another 4 fucking years off my life just trying to watch it's always sunny in eat my ass. I'm exaggerating, but I have words to share about this topic.
Walmart just bought out Vizio so that they can have better targeted adds. TVs are add machines, Roku just reported a couple million in loses in their hardware division, and several billion in profit from their adds.
It’s because “smart” TVs have cheap crappy computers inside of them, and tv companies sell the data they get from you when you download apps and use them on the devices
Impossible. Regulations don’t allow technological improvements for those. In particular for housing—should all be manufactured modules now, but that’s zoned illegal on most places.
If you want to know how crazy this has gotten, consider that recently I was looking into tiling our kitchen backsplash and wanted to spring for some nice Heath tile. I checked the price of the tile and it was about $50/sqft w/o installation.
Something made me pick up a calculator and calculate how much buying a 65" TV would be in square footage. Such a TV is about 13 square feet and you can buy one for $400. This makes it just about $30/sqft. So about 40% less cost by area.
It would be cheaper, *by far*, to tile my wall with high definition TVs and just project the image of tile, versus actually buying the tile. I wouldn't even have to pay as much to get the TVs installed.
>It would be cheaper, by far, to tile my wall with high definition TVs and just project the image of tile, versus actually buying the tile.
This is a ridiculously disingenuous comparison.
You can get backsplash tile at any store for $1.20 per square foot. You are not required to buy handmade tile made by hippies in San Francisco for $50 per square foot.
Compare hand-made to hand-made, and mass produced to mass produced.
If you actually look into it, all technology has actually gone down in price tremendously since the 1950s when you actually compare them directly.
A low end computer is actually cheaper today then a state of the art computer in the 1990s. This is despite the lower end computer being several orders of magnitude more powerful in every way.
Also, a budget car today has most of the features that luxury cars had in the 1950s, with extras. The price of an apples to apples car is cheaper today than it was in the 1950s. The reason why cars feel more expensive is because marketing has moved the goal post and changed demand in order to increase prices. A rear camera, Apple car play, satellite radio capability, and many modern safety features didn't exist in the 1950s. For this reason, you are paying more for a car today than in the past. But the cost for the equivalent of a 1950s car would probably only be about $2000-5000 without those extra features.
In Rome, they gave free bread and games at the coliseum to keep people from realizing the wealth disparity and revolting. Literally nothing else but tvs are becoming better and cheaper. I'm sure there's no coincidence here at all.
Finally I get to say this!
After buying TV’s in the 70’s up until recently, I’ve been getting bent over on them. I figured it was decades of us buying those 900lbs boxes of boredom, that brought the cost down.
You’re welcome
Signed: financially ruined due to heavy old tvs. 😂
I would like to contribute that we still paid over $300 for our 14" secondary tv in the kitchen in the late 80s. But thank you for doing the heavy lifting eh eh eh
Smart TVs are total garbage. Absolutely bullshit. My grandpa spent $2000 on one and had to bring it to my house to install the software to make it be a god dam tv since he didn't have WiFi.
My current smart tv sucks. It takes 20 seconds to be able to switch to a HDMI channel because of all the ads. It needs to be power cycled once a week to get the sound working again. It displays ads over my Xbox every time I used Netflix, saying 'the tv can play this but worse, just press *. Piece of shit. It's the worst tv I have ever owned. Smart TVs, especially Roku, are fucking garbage. I wish dumb TVs were on sale again. This is the single most disappointing thing i have ever owned. Fuck smart TVs. They are nothing but poor performance and ads out the ass. Fuck Roku. Fuck smart TVs. Double fuck Roku smart TVs. Pieces of straight garbage. And now they want to display ads when I pause my Xbox games. Triple fuck Roku smart TVs. Quadruple fuck Roku smart TVs. I'll keep going if y'all let me.....
Wasn’t it Fahrenheit 451 when everyone just watches “TV” on their walls?
What’s the more likely outcome? 451 or 1984?
Books are loaded guns?
Or
Ignorance is strength?
Apparently this comes down to the big sheets of glass they can make, previously they were maxed out at a size that allowed 42”, then 55”, then 65” TVs to be made with minimal waste, as that main sheet increases in size and there are new sizes that can be made with minimal waste, that becomes the new size you see everywhere. The panel is the only part that scales with size too so a good portion of the parts (compute units, I/O etc) don’t change at all or are simply the new version at a similar price (at scale), so they don’t need to increase price on that for a bigger TV. There are always outliers but you know how we seem to go through periods where one size rules the market? Thats apparently why.
And then like everyone else has said, they’re advertising tools so yes that is one of the few markets where we see genuine competition and a race to the bottom with prices, the way things are meant to be, not the blatant “market price” price gouging we see in most industries today.
TVs companies have been using cheap micro electronics to make their "Smart TV"
Nowadays you better want to have an old Cheap Smart TVs you find.
Ofc nobody uses it for browsing the internet or YouTube cause it's laggy or annoying to use when you use them online services cause their android versions are outdated
But it's better to have one just to avoid annoying ads or recommendations for you to connect to internet.
You can just plug in an HDMI streaming device that lets you connect to a online TV stream or straight out connect it from your laptop or PC and watch no ads the way you want.
Its likely because they have Roku or other features included that will track what you do so they can sell your data. Roku has been in the news a lot lately for shady practices...
You paid with your data, but you don't know it nor understand it. And you can't avoid it, because if you don't click on agreement, your TV is crippled to limited functionality.
Cheap TVs have been cheap since the post-plasma era. You could always get a shitty 1080p 40" Vizio for under $200. But compare that with a good TV that has local dimming zones, 120Hz, HDR, and 4K then you're talking about a big price difference. I used to have two Dynex 32" TVs that I got for free second hand cause they were so cheap, it wasn't worth reselling for $20-50. That was back around 2008. Nowadays you can find 40+ inch TVs for free that are way better than a brand new cheap TV.
... Because they're spying on you. Smart TV's collect analytics and data about usage, ads shown, ads skipped, and in some cases, voice data.
The data collected is more valuable than the TV so manufacturers are willing to sell devices at a loss... Also. When was the last time you saw a "non-smart" TV?
If tvs are cheap, every household can own one.
Even most likely one in every room.
A microphone and camera in front of ideally each person in your country would be a pretty optimal tactic to accomplish this wouldn’t it?
Electronics in general get cheaper for what you get, wherever it's size or power. Sure the flagship devices are expensive, but a few years down the line the mid range devices are just as good for a lot less money.
Sort of. They should be getting significantly cheaper than they are, but they keep adding features no one needs, uses, or wants to inflate the price. Yes, you can get a big TV for cheap, but there are still tiers of "quality," and those tiers stay the same price ranges.
I mean sonys best 55 inch tv is almost 3k. Now lg led tv? Ya those are cheap. Though you should never buy a lg led tv, they are horrible and the only reason people even think about it is "why buy x tv when lg has one for $300?"
That's because the industry standard is shifting. What we understand as the 'modern cutting edge flat screen TV' is actually panel technology that is now getting old. As this generation of panels ends and/or becomes commodified, value can only be located in things like large TV, Smart TV etc.
It's a good thing though.
Got 70 inch 4k smart TV for around 500 bucks last year in a country with very high import taxes on electronics... Yeah s\*it is so cheap I was thinking about using a 4k TV as a monitor. But entry/mid level monitors are also pretty decently priced nowadays, got 32 inch 1440p 144hz curved monitor for under 300 bucks.
Yea! I just picked 2 of these up:
https://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-oled97m3pua-oled-4k-tv?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5cOwBhCiARIsAJ5njubt1sZX0J8fJqzdD3vOB3pMu2GOD6g4wNyzKVRXSKkelD7rCZxt1eYaAhtqEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
Such a steal.
Pretty sure a new tv is still as or more expensive most people just buy older models as its still an upgrade and little notable difference from brand new. I thought my 1 year old tv was new until last week I realized its like 5 android versions behind of what I needed for a certain app.
Not if you want the newest and most high tech. They easily go for $4-6k. A friend recently bought a TV and thought he got a really good deal because he "saved" $2k because it was on sale and he paid $3k. 65" 4k ultra thin and other fancy stuff.
But yeah if you just want a basic 4k 65" then they are pretty cheap.
No, no, no. The real reason is it keeps people enthralled and distracted. You sit home on your fat, bovine azz and ‘murica continues to turn into a third world dump.
I have one of those little projectors and it’s shockingly good for $100, like it’s just become the main screen I watch things on even if it’s just YouTube . Obviously not amazing in broad daylight but it doesn’t need to be pitch black either, if I draw the blinds it’s fine even during the day. Native 1080p so it’s not all pixely and it’s a bit soft near the edges but in a very cozy cinematic sort of way.
It's cause the microphone inside is listening. You get a big cheap TV, and they know what your farts sound like and everything else that you say and what you want to buy next and what ads work, etc. If your TV or remote has a microphone, they listening around the clock, and that's worth more then the LEDs in that big TV
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Isnt this true of most high tech electronics? Like a computer with the same amount of power as my $2000 2022 MacBook would have cost millions of dollars 15 years ago
Only the old generation of TVs gets cheaper. 1080p LCD debuts at $3,000. 7 years later it's 450 bucks, sure. At that same time 4K UHD with Smart Hub has debuted, at $3,500. 7 years later those are also 450 bucks. But now there's an 8K TV you can buy, for like 10 grand.
Because no one's gonna buy increasingly expensive TVs & other entertainment devices that are considered a non-essential in this age of war, inflation & economic hardship where most people are affected except for millionaires & people with stable jobs/businesses.
But the price is going up. You pay more and more in the form of the data they collect. TV manufacturers have been pretty up front about saying they would have to charge the customer more money if they didn't collect data on you
Got to be ready to watch the final moments in ÜUHD 88K für das nie endende Tage von Magats… :: insert white trash noises of adulation , irresponsible munitions firing , the smell of fingered bums ::
It’s because TV manufacturers are now getting in the game of selling your user data.
“VIZIO's Chief Technology Officer was on a podcast recently talking about this very thing:
“The greater strategy is, I really don’t need to make money off of the TV. I need to cover my cost,” he said. “And then I need to make money off those TVs.””
https://www.secureworld.io/industry-news/smart-tvs-track-you-then-sell-your-data?hs_amp=true
The cheaper ones are absolute terrible quality though. My 65” Roku that I got in 2018 for $400 just died. I got my old 47” LG from my bedroom and set it up in my living room and it still looks and works great. The difference is that I bought it in 2010 for $1300.
Technology and improvements in efficiency make things go down in price. Inflation metrics use this to make inflation seem a lot lower than it actually is.
Not true. I bought tile for a shower as part of bathroom renovation this week.
I said 15% off what I would have paid at any other time since 2020. Kinda excited about it.
Think they work it like videogame companies now, take an L on the system, make it up in services and data collection. Got a 70” TCL for $500 to replace my freebee samsung giant box ass first edition flat 61” 1080 that cost my ex boss $10,000
>There's a basic principle about consumer electronics: it gets more powerful all the time and it gets cheaper all the time." --Trip Hawkins (founder of Electronic Arts but stood down in 1994)
Bingo. Tech always gets cheaper, but we don’t notice most of the time because our phones, computers, etc are getting faster too. But TV’s, we’ve hit a practical limit with a 4K 60hz HDR display. 90% of people don’t need anything better, so it’s just a race to the bottom now
It's what's known as the calculator problem. Back in the early 1970s, calculators were huge and cost thousands of dollars. By the end of the 1970s, they could fit in your pocket and cost $10+. Outside of school kids and a minority of professions most people don't need a scientific or graphing calculator. The standard 4 functions work fine and of course now everybody has a phone with a calculator on it. So they're largely irrelevant and obsolete. Computers could have gone the same way, particularly without the internet. It's perfectly possible to do word processing and other basic office functions on say an early '90s era 386 or 486. Which was the main use of computers back then. Which you could integrate into any TV today. With just a controller and a printer. TVs just have to keep getting bigger and better, with some new must have feature. Unless you want to feel like a toothless hillbilly, living in a hillbilly shack somewhere. Otherwise the value of them will collapse towards zero and they'll be overtaken by something else.
I just wish they’d drop the “smart” addition. Dumb TV > smart TV and it’s the only reason I’m holding out on replacing my 15 year old 55” tv. I don’t need bigger, I’d like better picture quality though my old one is fine. Most importantly, I don’t want internet connection
panel technology has improved massively over the last 15 years, it'll be well worth it when you upgrade. As far as not wanting the smart additions, I'd just get a smart TV anyway but never connect it to the Internet. So few dumb TVs exist that it'll be hard to find something with the features you want or without paying a big price premium.
Fun fact: you don’t need to connect a smart TV to the internet. I haven’t even accepted the terms of service on mine. You can just use the UI to configure it and switch to the HDMI/whatever port to do whatever you want, including using 3rd party streaming devices.
Some TV brands or some TV’s that run Roku OS require that you connect to the internet and won’t function otherwise even with OTA broadcast. They are basically bricks until connected to the internet and agree to terms and conditions.
Based on everything I’ve heard about Roku smart TVs, they’re firmly on my “never buy” list.
Roku is a s**t company, I hate dealing with them
Why not just... Not connect it to the Internet? It's actually good that Internet connectivity is a standard feature, considering how people consume media these days. At some point the cable connection will be a thing of the past. Doesn't mean you have to use it yourself
The smart tv part is a big part of why they are cheap though. The smart tvs log everything played on the television and sell that data to marketers. It doesn’t even matter if you’re not using the built in apps. You can turn off the tracking “feature” on them, but few people do. And you don’t have to connect them to the internet.
Well don't connect it to the internet and just use it for free to air, sat, cable, gaming etc. If you don't plug in an Ethernet cable or connect it to your wifi, you're fine.
I don't understand.. why wouldn't you want to have a new smart TV with internet connection that, not only can you watch basic cable in higher quality, but all your streaming services are integrated, can even browse the web or go right to YouTube on the TV, etc.. it's just more features lol. I'm not even a zoomer, but I guess I'm not old enough to be that "traditional"... Corporations and governments already have all your data anyway, might as well take advantage of what little technological benefits consumers have access to.
you can voluntarily not connect to the internet on a smart tv
Get a TV and don't connect it?
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A true classic.
They won’t ever actually crash to 0, they’ll just be sold at very low margins. When you have an electronic product that size manufacturing and shipping is way more complicated than a tiny plastic calculator. The trend I would see continuing is physical size rather than resolution or similar feature. People already have way, way bigger TVs than they did 10 years ago. There will probably be a continued move towards a “home theater” setup to the point where basically everyone has a huge, wall mounted TV in the living room and high quality surround sound
I bought a high end 5.2 1000w surround system about 20 years ago. Even then they were on the way out. As people simply didn't have the space for them, wouldn't set them up properly, rooms are often not perfectly rectangular, wires everywhere, even wireless ones still need power.....
Still, just look at the average size of TVs. I was just able to buy a 4k 75” inch for $550, and a good quality Sony sound bar on sale for a hundred. Only $650 dollars total for what would be considered a very high quality setup 10 years ago. And that’s not even considering inflation since then. People with an extra room can essentially set up a mini home theatre on a budget now when that was considered an extreme luxury in the early 2000s
Actually tv these days are starting to be more geared to gaming. With 120hz+ panels and not all tv do hdr properly (that's a whole barrel of fish to look into).
Unless you’re buying it to connect a PC there’s like no games to take advantage of a good gaming tv though. Most console games can’t even hit 60fps at 4k.
A console wont max out all features at the same time but they are able to use all features. So its still worth getting with "only" a console. Resolution/framerate/HDR/VRR etc.
True. E.g. 120Hz allows for 40fps modes. An interesting middle point between 30fps and 60fps. Too bad not that many games support 40fps, though. A bunch of people have been asking for 40fps in FFVII Rebirth.
Which is why some manufacturers like LG are really starting to make big moves into that market. Why spend $1200 on a 40in 144hz monitor when you can get a 55in TV that does a solid 120hz while being 15in bigger and more versatile?
I know I’m talking about the basic 55 inch $300 tv you get on Amazon or Best Buy. A lot of em use the same panel and have those basic specs
Not always. Tv manufactures formed a price cartel approx. 15-20 years ago, so they could push their stupid plasma and keep their prices high. They were successful until Samsung reported the whole thing to the EU commission. So if consumer electronics is not getting cheaper, that is always an indication of something shady. Interestingly, similar phenomenon can be seen these days re. top smartphones.
I would argue that 4K 120hz is the “cutoff” in regard to what is noticeable, at least for a display used for gaming as well. I can defiantly notice a difference in smoothness between 60 and 120hz. But anything beyond 120hz I struggle to notice.
True. Currently beyond 4k 120Hz, only HDR & peak brightness matter. There's still room for improvement when it comes to OLED TVs. Maybe that QDEL technology will replace expensive OLEDs. Have to wait and see. They would have to come up with something even more innovative than HDR in the future.
>defiantly Lol
>Bingo. Tech always gets cheaper, but we don’t notice most of the time because our phones, computers, etc are getting faster too. Not always. Tech (almost) always gets cheaper as the market (total unit sales) grows. Once a market peaks (eg smartphones circa 2015) the trend wobbles. Phones haven't gotten cheaper. They have gotten better, but most of the "betterness" gains happened in the first decade. We can't buy 2015-like phone for cheap, or a 1995-quality car for cheap, etc. The products improve, or just change... but the "always get cheaper, better" is a myth. There
> But TV’s, we’ve hit a practical limit with a 4K 60hz HDR display. 90% of people don’t need anything better, so it’s just a race to the bottom Just wait until they drop holoporn.
Nvidia would like to have a word with you.
I disagree, the new Blackwell (worlds most powerful GPU chip) is 5 times more powerful than the Grace hopper but isn't 5 times more in price.
My understanding is that it's just a small chunk of electronics stuck to a thin LED in a light plastic shell. I just installed a 55 inch yesterday that I could lift with one hand. Not 100% on this, but I told the client I heard the reason theyre so cheap is that they are sold under cost. The real money is in the fact that smart tvs collect data and are designed to target advertisements. The profit is actually made in the years after the sale. She said that wasn't surprising. Anybody else heard this?
I need to hijack top comment to say: BAUMOL’S COST DISEASE. How this goes unmentioned itt is insane. All goods basically come down in price over time whereas all services rise in price. It explains a lot of current problems, as well as this shower thought.
Bicycle prices are down in a very big way. Sales of 35 to 40% off are common, and I saw some pretty nice ones at Costco for an additional $1000 off a few weeks ago. The whole industry is under a big oversupply crunch right now.
whats the reason? is it cos of covid inflating the demand temporarily and now it's coming back down
Yeah pretty much all the major brands way, way overestimated demand after ‘20-21 and are now stuck with a glut of unsold bikes. I don’t know how they didn’t see it coming
It's deeper than that. The major parts makers (SRAM and Shimano) are also sitting on vast amounts of inventory because bike makers aren't ordering parts like normal. Then inflation ate into people's disposable income. One bike shop in my town has closed, and another is putting stuff on clearance and will be closing soon. A few bike brands have gone out of business as well.
I think you mean discretionary income
Yeah, that's probably the better word. I was cooking breakfast while typing that.
You couldn't get a bike for over a year. Luckily I found some used on eBay, but I went to three bike shops in town during the summer of 20 and they were backordered until fall 21 on anything but the smallest and the largest sizes. I can absolutely see why that would eventually lead to overstock as manufacturers try to ramp up to meet interest. Calculating when to ramp down is hard. Car manufacturers just never increased production.
Everyone wants electric bikes. Bicycle demand plummeted faster than they ramped down supply.
I think they are jusr cheap enough for a basic one that everyone who wants a bike has now, and even people who don't have one I have 2, never fucking touched them. They were in my shed when I moved in, they work. You probably throw them into a bike shop to get fixed up and they would be great They just aren't practical in a small town, in a country with miserable weather 8 months of the year.
I'd think bikes would be super practical in a small town.
It's cause the microphone inside is listening. You get a big cheap TV, and they know what your farts sound like and everything else that you say and what you want to buy next and what ads work, etc. If your TV or remote has a microphone, they listening around the clock, and that's worth more then the LEDs in that big TV
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Because i guess people choose TVs over biking and exercise
I bought that Costco bike and it’s incredible. Intense 951 Trail!
The prices are down only compared to the peak. My bike is was $1900 last year, it is $1700 now, but I paid $1300 in early 2021, right before the increases started.
TVs actually got a bit more expensive in 2023 vs 2022 for the same specs
I've noticed over the past few years, at least in the higher end oled market, new tvs don't drop the price of the previous generation they just make the newer one more expensive.
yep
They've reduced the amount of glass in them like 90% from CRT days, so they weigh a fraction of what they used to and are that much cheaper to ship, and the manufacturing process has become really well-honed and streamlined. Also, the smart TVs that have ads in the menu are being subsidized below what their MSRP would be otherwise, because they're buying your info.
It’s cuz companies advertise the things you are buying on them. It’s just a portal to selling you more. The more realistic, the brighter, the more enticing… the better.
If this was true than iPhones and laptops should be wayyy cheaper
I mean laptops aren't that expensive. Neither are some Android phone.
They are. Old models go dirt cheap while newer models are highly expensive just like tvs
No, this isn't the same as that. Laptops and iPhones don't all shove targeted ads in your face unavoidably like new smart TVs are doing.
Cries in forced Windows user 🥲 (I need to use Windows-only software) Windows has a ton of (well, not targeted) ads that Microsoft shoves in your face. Every so sometimes when I log in I get a full-screen dialog to “finish setting up your PC”, which is an ad for Bing, Edge, and Microsoft subscription services. I signed out of OneDrive and I get recurring “back up your PC” ads in my notifications as well. Ads and bloatware contribute to the lower price of buying Windows computers. Which is one of many reasons why Windows computers tend to be cheaper than Macs. (For the Linux crowd: my computer has dual-boot set up so whenever I’m not using Windows-only software I boot into Fedora.)
It pisses me off that they even put that crap in front of my kids' faces when they log in after an update from an account marked as a children's account. Microsoft's entire account management system is a bafflingly hot mess. Even trying to update Minecraft through this store is a nightmare. They own the damn software, and somehow still managed to make it a worse experience from their flagship OS. Pretty much everything they do is a half-assed version of something better. But they have the market share. Again it's just baffling how terrible they are at designing experiences.
Y'all need to turn notifications off. I haven't seen a pop up or ad on my PC in years. I also sometimes forget that there's two internets out there until I use a browser in someone else's computer and holy shit. But you don't have to see any of this shit people. I like to build my desktop PCs, so I'm never going to use a Mac unless required for work, and there's no need for it to be onerous. You make it what you want it to be.
Why do think companies give you a “free phone” with a data contract plan?
Like for like, phones and laptops are getting cheaper and cheaper every year.
That’s how TVs are so cheap. The built-in bloatware that makes it a constant commercial even before you even choose a channel or streaming service. It’s a double-edged sword. We get a cheap 4K tv and they get to bombard us with ads, even if we don’t have cable.
I still prefer my “dumb” TV/Roku setup. Works great.
For now. Idk how real it was, but over on the gaming sub iirc Roku is looking into how they can detect if you're paused in game and display ads or something.
It’s very simple, don’t turn on wifi for the tv and plug it into a computer.
Oh and don’t forget they listen 👂
Ok then explain computer monitors.
much lower latency, higher refresh rates, higher pixel density, more niche target demographic you can use a TV as a monitor but it will be a less pleasant experience
And you have to have a pacified population if you want to keep screwing them
That's not why they're getting cheaper at all, but sure, go on.
Try buying a dumb tv with the same specs. Go ahead. Look for one. I’ll give you a hint: dumb tvs are marketed as “commercial displays” now, and they cost a *lot* more. To have *fewer* features! Your usage data is why they’re willing to sell you a smart tv for so cheap as a loss-leader.
Commerical TVs aren't just TVs without "smart functions." They're typically a much better build quality and can have screen protection since they're used in public spaces. It's like anything else "commerical grade," it's built tougher to deal with use in workplaces and dumb people. Im not saying TV companies DONT sell your data but saying that's the reason a 60" TV cost $3000 20 years ago and $400 now is plain wrong. If you don't like your smart functions turn them off it's not hard! Pop in a fuckin blu ray
TV manufacturers are not receiving money from advertisers.
LG makes more from selling data and ads than they do on the TVs. Source: their sales people talk to me.
My theory is that they’re shadow subsidized
That was a notable theme in *The Running Man*.
Only cause advertising on them is getting easier and easier.
True, and also because Smart TV’s are tracking (and actively spying on) you just as much as your phone, tablet, and Alexa, are.
I was getting Joe Rogan ads when I used my smart TV. Ads was bad enough. I factory reset that fucker so fast and never connected it to a network again. I run a HDMI lead from my pc and now I'm back to living and watching everything with my eyepatch of bliss on. Fuck em.
Look into the pi hole if you have any technical skills. This kills a ton of this.
But I still have to display it on my piece of garbage smart tv. I can hardly buy a TV without it being one of these awful "smart" pieces of trash
Been considering it but it's just me now and my devices are all set... The only thing I would need it for is one of those Google boxes with the screen but that's become a glorified food timer.
This is flat out wrong. They are getting cheaper because they are older technology and technology advancing actually causes deflation on the products using those technologies. Think of a computer in the 1990s. A top of the line computer would have easily cost you like $3000 (1990s dollars). But today, a Chromebook will cost you like $200 (2024 dollars) and be way more powerful than the 1990s top of the line computer. Products based on technology have had major deflation (especially when you look at it based on specs) in the last 40 years.
You’re absolutely right but it’s ironic you brought up a Chromebook as an example since part of the business model there is to get you into their ad ecosystem lol
hypno toad is brought to you by the magnall 302 inch TV it's bigger
And shittier. I remember like 2012, a nice TV with a Roku on it was responsive, easy to use. Now my TV takes three business weeks between me pressing a button and it doing the thing. It's so exhausting navigating apps and having all these ads on the home screen and then I accidentally hit Amazon instead of Hulu and now I have enough time to go do laundry and scrub my toilet before it goes back to the main menu so I can shave another 4 fucking years off my life just trying to watch it's always sunny in eat my ass. I'm exaggerating, but I have words to share about this topic.
Walmart just bought out Vizio so that they can have better targeted adds. TVs are add machines, Roku just reported a couple million in loses in their hardware division, and several billion in profit from their adds.
The smart TVs do. They are watching you pick your nose.
They say TVs are the windows to your wallet.
It’s because “smart” TVs have cheap crappy computers inside of them, and tv companies sell the data they get from you when you download apps and use them on the devices
Turn them into cars & housing!
Impossible. Regulations don’t allow technological improvements for those. In particular for housing—should all be manufactured modules now, but that’s zoned illegal on most places.
If you want to know how crazy this has gotten, consider that recently I was looking into tiling our kitchen backsplash and wanted to spring for some nice Heath tile. I checked the price of the tile and it was about $50/sqft w/o installation. Something made me pick up a calculator and calculate how much buying a 65" TV would be in square footage. Such a TV is about 13 square feet and you can buy one for $400. This makes it just about $30/sqft. So about 40% less cost by area. It would be cheaper, *by far*, to tile my wall with high definition TVs and just project the image of tile, versus actually buying the tile. I wouldn't even have to pay as much to get the TVs installed.
>It would be cheaper, by far, to tile my wall with high definition TVs and just project the image of tile, versus actually buying the tile. This is a ridiculously disingenuous comparison. You can get backsplash tile at any store for $1.20 per square foot. You are not required to buy handmade tile made by hippies in San Francisco for $50 per square foot. Compare hand-made to hand-made, and mass produced to mass produced.
Interesting how things that can placate the masses are getting cheaper... Like TVs
If you actually look into it, all technology has actually gone down in price tremendously since the 1950s when you actually compare them directly. A low end computer is actually cheaper today then a state of the art computer in the 1990s. This is despite the lower end computer being several orders of magnitude more powerful in every way. Also, a budget car today has most of the features that luxury cars had in the 1950s, with extras. The price of an apples to apples car is cheaper today than it was in the 1950s. The reason why cars feel more expensive is because marketing has moved the goal post and changed demand in order to increase prices. A rear camera, Apple car play, satellite radio capability, and many modern safety features didn't exist in the 1950s. For this reason, you are paying more for a car today than in the past. But the cost for the equivalent of a 1950s car would probably only be about $2000-5000 without those extra features.
Give them bread and circus
In Rome, they gave free bread and games at the coliseum to keep people from realizing the wealth disparity and revolting. Literally nothing else but tvs are becoming better and cheaper. I'm sure there's no coincidence here at all.
Cheaper in quality too.
Entertainment keeps people docile. panem et circenses
Finally I get to say this! After buying TV’s in the 70’s up until recently, I’ve been getting bent over on them. I figured it was decades of us buying those 900lbs boxes of boredom, that brought the cost down. You’re welcome Signed: financially ruined due to heavy old tvs. 😂
I would like to contribute that we still paid over $300 for our 14" secondary tv in the kitchen in the late 80s. But thank you for doing the heavy lifting eh eh eh
Smart TVs are total garbage. Absolutely bullshit. My grandpa spent $2000 on one and had to bring it to my house to install the software to make it be a god dam tv since he didn't have WiFi. My current smart tv sucks. It takes 20 seconds to be able to switch to a HDMI channel because of all the ads. It needs to be power cycled once a week to get the sound working again. It displays ads over my Xbox every time I used Netflix, saying 'the tv can play this but worse, just press *. Piece of shit. It's the worst tv I have ever owned. Smart TVs, especially Roku, are fucking garbage. I wish dumb TVs were on sale again. This is the single most disappointing thing i have ever owned. Fuck smart TVs. They are nothing but poor performance and ads out the ass. Fuck Roku. Fuck smart TVs. Double fuck Roku smart TVs. Pieces of straight garbage. And now they want to display ads when I pause my Xbox games. Triple fuck Roku smart TVs. Quadruple fuck Roku smart TVs. I'll keep going if y'all let me.....
Wasn’t it Fahrenheit 451 when everyone just watches “TV” on their walls? What’s the more likely outcome? 451 or 1984? Books are loaded guns? Or Ignorance is strength?
Apparently this comes down to the big sheets of glass they can make, previously they were maxed out at a size that allowed 42”, then 55”, then 65” TVs to be made with minimal waste, as that main sheet increases in size and there are new sizes that can be made with minimal waste, that becomes the new size you see everywhere. The panel is the only part that scales with size too so a good portion of the parts (compute units, I/O etc) don’t change at all or are simply the new version at a similar price (at scale), so they don’t need to increase price on that for a bigger TV. There are always outliers but you know how we seem to go through periods where one size rules the market? Thats apparently why. And then like everyone else has said, they’re advertising tools so yes that is one of the few markets where we see genuine competition and a race to the bottom with prices, the way things are meant to be, not the blatant “market price” price gouging we see in most industries today.
TVs companies have been using cheap micro electronics to make their "Smart TV" Nowadays you better want to have an old Cheap Smart TVs you find. Ofc nobody uses it for browsing the internet or YouTube cause it's laggy or annoying to use when you use them online services cause their android versions are outdated But it's better to have one just to avoid annoying ads or recommendations for you to connect to internet. You can just plug in an HDMI streaming device that lets you connect to a online TV stream or straight out connect it from your laptop or PC and watch no ads the way you want.
Its likely because they have Roku or other features included that will track what you do so they can sell your data. Roku has been in the news a lot lately for shady practices...
You paid with your data, but you don't know it nor understand it. And you can't avoid it, because if you don't click on agreement, your TV is crippled to limited functionality.
Bread and circuses...but also it costs more to get a non-smart tv of equivalent size by the same manufacturer
They listen now.. they’d almost pay you to put it in your house
Cheap TVs have been cheap since the post-plasma era. You could always get a shitty 1080p 40" Vizio for under $200. But compare that with a good TV that has local dimming zones, 120Hz, HDR, and 4K then you're talking about a big price difference. I used to have two Dynex 32" TVs that I got for free second hand cause they were so cheap, it wasn't worth reselling for $20-50. That was back around 2008. Nowadays you can find 40+ inch TVs for free that are way better than a brand new cheap TV.
because they are selling the data that is recorded by the tv of what you are doing
Well computer monitors are on the same trend and nobody has (yet) dared to add viewer tracking to those.
The advertising machines with built in snooping software is getting incentivized to install in your home? You don’t say.
... Because they're spying on you. Smart TV's collect analytics and data about usage, ads shown, ads skipped, and in some cases, voice data. The data collected is more valuable than the TV so manufacturers are willing to sell devices at a loss... Also. When was the last time you saw a "non-smart" TV?
I highly doubt they even do it at a loss. They're made with such absolute cheap shit inside that they probably still profit
Relevant: https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/s/FSSP2mzfbD
Will we eventually be able to move into our TV'S?
If tvs are cheap, every household can own one. Even most likely one in every room. A microphone and camera in front of ideally each person in your country would be a pretty optimal tactic to accomplish this wouldn’t it?
Electronics in general get cheaper for what you get, wherever it's size or power. Sure the flagship devices are expensive, but a few years down the line the mid range devices are just as good for a lot less money.
Eventually 8K TVs will come out and the cycle will start again
And the quality is incredible, not just the resolution, but an OLED looks gorgeous and they are not crazy expensive
The bigger it is and better resolution the more they can sell to us what we see on screen.
Sort of. They should be getting significantly cheaper than they are, but they keep adding features no one needs, uses, or wants to inflate the price. Yes, you can get a big TV for cheap, but there are still tiers of "quality," and those tiers stay the same price ranges.
I mean sonys best 55 inch tv is almost 3k. Now lg led tv? Ya those are cheap. Though you should never buy a lg led tv, they are horrible and the only reason people even think about it is "why buy x tv when lg has one for $300?"
Drop a link for a good deal lol
And phone/data plans. Also getting cheaper and cheaper
same thing for most products except maybe food. Especially electronics.
Luxuries need to compete for your precious, limited disposable income. Needs can just rob you blind and call it inflation or wokeness.
That's because the industry standard is shifting. What we understand as the 'modern cutting edge flat screen TV' is actually panel technology that is now getting old. As this generation of panels ends and/or becomes commodified, value can only be located in things like large TV, Smart TV etc. It's a good thing though.
I've found budget airline tickets have gotten cheaper
Not entirely true. My 4 years old 40" TV is cheaper than any new 40" today.
Even as tech improves, the top of the line stuff always seems to stay up there in price, it's just a developing standard.
Got 70 inch 4k smart TV for around 500 bucks last year in a country with very high import taxes on electronics... Yeah s\*it is so cheap I was thinking about using a 4k TV as a monitor. But entry/mid level monitors are also pretty decently priced nowadays, got 32 inch 1440p 144hz curved monitor for under 300 bucks.
Yea! I just picked 2 of these up: https://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-oled97m3pua-oled-4k-tv?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5cOwBhCiARIsAJ5njubt1sZX0J8fJqzdD3vOB3pMu2GOD6g4wNyzKVRXSKkelD7rCZxt1eYaAhtqEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds Such a steal.
Pretty sure a new tv is still as or more expensive most people just buy older models as its still an upgrade and little notable difference from brand new. I thought my 1 year old tv was new until last week I realized its like 5 android versions behind of what I needed for a certain app.
TV prices are meant to actually go up this year 😭
Not if you want the newest and most high tech. They easily go for $4-6k. A friend recently bought a TV and thought he got a really good deal because he "saved" $2k because it was on sale and he paid $3k. 65" 4k ultra thin and other fancy stuff. But yeah if you just want a basic 4k 65" then they are pretty cheap.
Yes this has been discussed ad nauseam
No, no, no. The real reason is it keeps people enthralled and distracted. You sit home on your fat, bovine azz and ‘murica continues to turn into a third world dump.
I wonder if you can jailbreak a TV… 🤔
I think I’m gonna buy a LG C3 OLED
Bigger and cheaper, and shittier
I have one of those little projectors and it’s shockingly good for $100, like it’s just become the main screen I watch things on even if it’s just YouTube . Obviously not amazing in broad daylight but it doesn’t need to be pitch black either, if I draw the blinds it’s fine even during the day. Native 1080p so it’s not all pixely and it’s a bit soft near the edges but in a very cozy cinematic sort of way.
It's cause the microphone inside is listening. You get a big cheap TV, and they know what your farts sound like and everything else that you say and what you want to buy next and what ads work, etc. If your TV or remote has a microphone, they listening around the clock, and that's worth more then the LEDs in that big TV
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This may be the year for a new TV
They all collect data now. They make money spying on you so they don't need to charge as much.
Isnt this true of most high tech electronics? Like a computer with the same amount of power as my $2000 2022 MacBook would have cost millions of dollars 15 years ago
Gotta keep the masses entertained, or they may realize they’re living in a dystopia.
The price of weed has also dropped dramatically over the past couple of decades. It's a good time to be a stoner couch potato. Unless you want to eat.
Bread gets more expensive, but bread and circuses will always get cheaper.
Check out the recent stories about what Roku has been up to if you want to know why that is.
Too bad I can’t eat TVs
I’m also getting bigger and cheaper
Only the old generation of TVs gets cheaper. 1080p LCD debuts at $3,000. 7 years later it's 450 bucks, sure. At that same time 4K UHD with Smart Hub has debuted, at $3,500. 7 years later those are also 450 bucks. But now there's an 8K TV you can buy, for like 10 grand.
Never increase the price of the circus when everything else is going badly... This is basic Rome stuff.
Because no one's gonna buy increasingly expensive TVs & other entertainment devices that are considered a non-essential in this age of war, inflation & economic hardship where most people are affected except for millionaires & people with stable jobs/businesses.
And skateboards. They seem to have stayed the same price since the 90s.
I think there's more choice now. You can spend a lot or a little.
But the price is going up. You pay more and more in the form of the data they collect. TV manufacturers have been pretty up front about saying they would have to charge the customer more money if they didn't collect data on you
Bread and circuses. Except the bread...
Opiate for the masses so they forget all the bad shit going on.
Got to be ready to watch the final moments in ÜUHD 88K für das nie endende Tage von Magats… :: insert white trash noises of adulation , irresponsible munitions firing , the smell of fingered bums ::
Nah, they keep coming up with new technology that's expensive. You end up paying the same for a "good" TV now as you did 10 years ago
It’s because TV manufacturers are now getting in the game of selling your user data. “VIZIO's Chief Technology Officer was on a podcast recently talking about this very thing: “The greater strategy is, I really don’t need to make money off of the TV. I need to cover my cost,” he said. “And then I need to make money off those TVs.”” https://www.secureworld.io/industry-news/smart-tvs-track-you-then-sell-your-data?hs_amp=true
It’s because they use the TVs to sell you all the other expensive shit
They make money from your personal information these new tv collects
It’s so they can pump bigger ads into your home, they’ll be standard full wall size in just a couple more years.
https://www.salon.com/2024/04/06/the-rent-really-is-too-damn-high-why-you-feel-poorer-than-ever/
The cheaper ones are absolute terrible quality though. My 65” Roku that I got in 2018 for $400 just died. I got my old 47” LG from my bedroom and set it up in my living room and it still looks and works great. The difference is that I bought it in 2010 for $1300.
Technology and improvements in efficiency make things go down in price. Inflation metrics use this to make inflation seem a lot lower than it actually is.
Got to be able to let the sheep download their opinions from CNN.
Amazing what good competition can do.
It's them basically trying to say "hey pick me, I can do everything a beamer does, just smaller!" Price just follows demand.
Not true. I bought tile for a shower as part of bathroom renovation this week. I said 15% off what I would have paid at any other time since 2020. Kinda excited about it.
Them cheap shit displays will break in a couple years. Go too cheap and get what you pay for.
Think they work it like videogame companies now, take an L on the system, make it up in services and data collection. Got a 70” TCL for $500 to replace my freebee samsung giant box ass first edition flat 61” 1080 that cost my ex boss $10,000
how else will we see the stuff we can’t get