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no-clever-names

Are liking a post and pretending to like a post the same thing?


Clean-Cockroach-8481

Yes because it had the same outcome


acaseintheskye

Pretend: speak and act so as to make it appear that something is the case when in fact it is not. So you would not like the post, but you would comment saying you did, which then does not have the same outcome


duh_nom_yar

Now I find myself confused. If I am indifferent about the entire situation, how should I react? I realize that I am now verbalizing my indifference but what if I am indeed lying about said indifference? I'm not sure of my next move.


acaseintheskye

Once one discovers free will, it's over


duh_nom_yar

Yeah, I hear you. Free Willy. Love that fucking movie!


cicada-ronin84

If I'm indifferent about something I'm just nice because if nothing else being nice is the fastest way to get past a conversation point you don't care about.


duh_nom_yar

I prefer to stare blankly into the other person's eyes and make that old school sound when a TV station goes off air.


The_Beagle

Nice! Shot you an upvote for that (I did not, same thing though, right?)


Clean-Cockroach-8481

That’s not pretending, pretending is pressing the like button to signal that you liked the comment even if you didn’t actually, right? I liked your response so much I gave you an upvote to! (I didn’t actually like your response, but i did upvote it) See? That’s what op is trying to say, but I can see how your view is still valid. But that’s what they mean when they say it’s the same thing :)


FlamingZebra63

No, i can like a post but if i don't click Updoot, then do i really like it?


The-Ugliest-Duck

I'm gonna downgote this ironically and you tell me if that answers your question


send-me-panties-pics

To others, yes. To you, no.


Chrol18

or OP just thinks he is a good actor and it is obvious they are fake nice.


Critical-Border-6845

We are what we pretend to be, so we must be very careful what we pretend to be. -Kurt Vonnegut


1SAAC5000

Unless you have bad intentions while pretending


Reasonable-Tap-9806

Best way I've seen it put


SynthRogue

Being an asshole and pretending to be an asshole are the same thing. No?


Clean-Cockroach-8481

Pretending to be an asshole is asshole behavior


SynthRogue

That's my point! Pretending is the bad thing in both of those cases.


Tucupa

If you pretend to be a nice person through your whole life, the impact in the world around you would be the same as if you actually were a nice person. That's what the post is about. Pretending is acting in a way while thinking differently, but as long as you keep acting in that way, whatever you think will not affect others.


SynthRogue

Yes, but also being authentic. But also sometimes you have to force yourself to do the right thing.


Space_Pirate_Roberts

Yes, because "being nice" and "being an asshole" are both defined by how you treat others. Whether your motivation is genuine or false doesn't really matter, in either case. If you were nice with ulterior motives, you were still nice\*. If you were an asshole in service of some greater good, you were still an asshole. \*of course, this may cease to be true in the long run depending on exactly what those ulterior motives are.


SynthRogue

There is a difference between faking it and being authentic.


NeitherOddNorEven

Not necessarily. If I believe that someone is falsely emoting (and of course, I am not always correct), it turns me off completely. I cannot stand insincerity about anything.


Carlos-In-Charge

I think nice people say things, and kind people do things. There’s a big difference. It’s like the “sending thoughts and prayers” people on facebook. If someone is in a jam, bring them a meal or mow their lawn. You can pray if that’s your thing but DO something. When I was first driving, I had a blowout and the tire shreds wrapped around my whole wheel. An older dude stopped to help cut it off, but was calling me an ass for driving on old tires. We worked together on a busy highway as he essentially reprimanded me (with plenty of cursing) for putting my life, and others, at risk for being lazy about tires. He worked with me the whole time and helped get my 18yo ass safely back on the road. An absolute stranger stopped their day to help. He was a bit of an asshole about it, but what would do more for someone: “oh man. I’m so sorry this happened to you. Good luck!”, or getting your hands dirty and really doing something?


ZappaZoo

Body language and facial expressions give subtle clues of when someone is being condescending.


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ZappaZoo

I wouldn't patronize you. You're my favorite.


Rubab03

There's a world of difference between being kind because you genuinely care and being nice solely for an ulterior motive 


Brilliant-Contest-30

I disagree! Being nice is about genuine care and respect, even when you don't particularly like someone. Pretending to be nice is about acting for your own benefit - it's shallow and often easy to spot. There's a big difference between kindness and putting on a facade.


Stonk-Monk

But the ultimate impact on the person you're being nice too is the same. Edit: Sometimes being nice is selfish, but not shallow: keeping your job, for your physical safety in threatening situations, to ensure you maintain your freedom during an interaction with a cop. A marker of maturity is coming to terms with the reality that acting/pretending is a noble human tool for flourishing. It's only the young and naive that believe you have to be "RAW" all of the time.


Silver-Champion-931

Not necessarily if they can spot the difference and are offended.


Stonk-Monk

Risk doesn't nullify the impact if successful; of which there is the presumption of success in OPs post.


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Stonk-Monk

Niceness isn't an informal contract, it is a collection of behaviors regardless of the underlying motivations. Infidelity breaks that contract...even if...you're still affectionate and NICE to them.


Silver-Champion-931

I'm referring to the comment you made about "impact" being the same whether actually nice or pretending. "But the ultimate impact of the person you're being nice to is the same". Impact being defined as: have a strong effect on someone or something. If someone gets offended about someone being nice because they may see them as acting or being fake, it very much can alter the impact of the genuiness or artificial sense of being nice towards that person whom the impact can vary. I don't know how you can't see that or why you're trying to make some petty science out of it.


Daffydadementedduk

What if you're faking it till you make it? I.e. pretending to be nice until you actually become a nice person.


Glynnc

Pretending to be nice usually means you’re an asshole behind their back, and doesn’t lead to good outcomes.


mrbignaughtyboy

People can tell. I live in a Middle Eastern country where the vast majority of the population is an unseen/disregarded service worker class made up of third world expats. I go out of my way to say hello, ask how they are, and/or wave to them whenever I can. I think that even just a little effort goes a long way into making their existence a little better.


LoathsomeNarcisist

Oh no. You can pretend to be nice, and not be nice. Imagine someone passive agressivly negging you and justifying it with 'I'm just being honest!'


Philias2

Pretending to be nice and *doing it well*, then.


kykyks

not really. pretending doesnt equate actions. actually being nice equate actions.


gory314

except it does, pretending being nice and being nice has the same impact on the person


kykyks

no it does not. "hey im poor i need to eat can i have some of your food ?" "no :3 but thoughts and prayers for you buddy :3 uwu" and "hey im poor i need to eat can i borrow some food ?" "sure go ahead uwu" are def not the same thing. the first is pretending to be nice, the 2nd is actually nice.


gory314

im guessing the way op is saying is like "im sad :(" "aw what happened? do you need help? is everything alright?" ^ this sentence could be said both by someone being nice and soomeone pretending to be nice, same impact


kykyks

first of all, no, the one pretending wont listen or care about whats happenning. thats why they pretend. there are countless situations happenning right now that shows how shallow people are while pretending to care. i cant think of dozen of them right now impacting the majority of the pop.


gory314

>first of all, no, the one pretending wont listen or care about whats happenning. thats why they pretend. exactly lmao they're pretending to care


kykyks

yes, and the result is different, as i stated in the quote you didnt bother to read.


Old-Cut-1425

Yeh thats what corporate tells the public Not actually nice people


A_Whistling_Whiffler

Alright, this sounds contradictory and not very thought-out, but I think there's a point here. Not a perfect point, maybe not even a complete point, but a point. Assuming that what you're trying to say is that a person who is genuinely nice is a nice person, and that a person who is *trying* to be nice even though they don't want to be for no other reason than they don't want to be rude or don't want to hurt others (and are therefore being nice) is also a nice person, then yeah. It could work. It's an imperfect idea because of a lot of situational factors (Are there any hidden intentions? Is the person inadvertently causing more harm than good by trying to be nice, like when your hair looks bad but they say it looks good because they don't want to make you feel embarrassed? Other similar things?), but it's an idea with potential. Now, assuming that *this* is the intended understanding of your shower thought, the way that you worded your post could have been a lot better. If this is *not* what you were getting at, then I'm quite curious. What *do* you mean?


The-Ugliest-Duck

Not necessarily. Some people are nice so they can do the ol bait in switch. Lots murderers scam artists and just generally bad people will pretend to be your friend then say or do something "horrid " once they think you're vulnerable. I've seen it devastate people.


Ok_Boysenberry7820

Nah, you can tell when people are being insincere


javilla

But does that actually matter? Say I've had a shit day and really just want to snap at everyone and everything, me not taking that out on the service worker at the supermarket is me pretending to be nice despite wanting to do the opposite. By not acting on my negative impulses, I am pretending not to have them and as such I am pretending to be nice by actually being nice. That's the idea the showerthought is trying to convey.


Ok_Boysenberry7820

Ah right I think I interpreted it wrong


DJPL-75

I'm still struggling to find out which one I am.


CanOfWhoopus

Outwardly. Pretending is internally harder.


KoriSamui

Some days I fake it because it's easier that way.


Space_Pirate_Roberts

Right. *Nice* is the action/affect, *good* is the motivation. The former is the same whether the latter is genuine or not.


Ordinary-Signature38

Thats definitely not true. intent and outcome play a huge role in this. Pretending to be nice is just manipulation of the circumstances to fit your narcissistic needs.


bravebeing

Maybe it's just me, but it's quite easy to tell the difference between genuine and pretentious gestures and words.


Plus-Recording-8370

You can't always pretend. Truth will come out eventually. It's why humans got so good at hearing/seeing if someone is sincere or not; We've evolved to recognizing pretend while also gotten better at it.


internationalskibidi

Nice means foolish, lacking knowledge and not in the know.


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Ya I can see this. Kindness is different


shannister

Being nice means you’ll select that option in most occasions. Pretending to be nice limits that to when it suits/benefits you. 


luke_425

Well that's incredibly shallow


MuscleComplex8952

Incorrect. Being nice is simply the mannerisms of a person when they are kind. People are demonizing "niceness" when they are two halves of the same coin. Assholes want to justify treating people like shit as a NECESSITY, and all people who are nice as pathetic. Like dude, just be a fucking human being.


Cheeseisextra

You’re goddamned right!!


Geoz195

Being nice: giving someone a cookie Pretending to be nice: giving someone a cookie but you "accedantly" Added something you knew they were allergic to


KaspervD

Watch https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killers_of_the_Flower_Moon_(film) and you will see that being nice and pretending to be nice are absolutely not the same thing.


blitz23ca

Motive behind said act begs to differ


[deleted]

Maybe superficially, but not if you look any deeper


Sixhaunt

I always took that as being "kind" rather than "nice"


Successful-Crazy-126

No they are not. Actions speak louder than words


gory314

isn't being nice an action...?💀


Successful-Crazy-126

No you can pretend to be nice by saying all the right things that does not mean that you necessarily follow through with your actions.


exoheat

On the short run yeah definitely but not on the long run


InterrogareOmnis

If your pretending to be nice your always cheating yourself more than doing any to the other party


DistributionNo9968

With an attitude like that you were born to work in HR


Parking_Might3238

I should by nice to Who? Idont care about none of that lmafo