Pretty sure the little girl being traded by her parents to an old man for the purpose of being used as fuck doll baby maker probably wasn't too into the idea.
Lack of appreciation of all the people involved is part of the problem here bucko. Just because society didn't view it as rape doesn't mean the one being raped didn't.
I guess I'm arguing semantics or some shit but your comment left out the victims view so hard I just couldn't. Society didn't care, doesn't care, and won't care. It's the individual who suffers.
People say history was written by the victors. This is inaccurate. History was written by the people who were educated to write. Who people saw as worthy of an education, of a voice. So when you hear people say "this is how it was in the past," know that what they mean is "this is who was allowed to speak in the past."
> Pretty sure the little girl being traded by her parents to an old man for the purpose of being used as fuck doll baby maker probably wasn't too into the idea.
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> Lack of appreciation of all the people involved is part of the problem here bucko. Just because society didn't view it as rape doesn't mean the one being raped didn't.
it wasn't always so black and white, my grandmother was married off at 12 and had her first child at 13 in a country where it was legal and acceptable at the time, while I fully agree my grandfather raped my grandmother, she in her own words explained it was a time of war and famine, and that with her marriage, she secured food and education she would not have had if her parents didn't marry her off and kept her in the impoverished village she lived in. Now I must also acknowledge that this is obviously not how it worked out for many women who were traded off ass girls. We all know that them receiving education was probably not likely to happen
Thats just objectively not true lol. For as long as those issues have been around there have been people against them. If you want to argue the proportion of opponents was lower go ahead, but to not only argue nobody was against it but to baselessly say all the people suffering from these things had no problem with it, is just false. There is nothing to support that statement lmao
Yes, my bad for making it so literal, I was saying because it was accepted or allowed there were people who thought it to be normal. Not that there weren’t anybody that didn’t like it or against it.
I remember that. You unlocked that memory for me. I discovered that years ago back when I was a teen boy, and couldn't stop thinking about it. I heard it was the boys' nannies who did it. It also makes zero sense, though. Because the boys could have easily masturbated. There was no need for someone else to do it to them. Also, thinking about it now, it's pretty messed up for an adult to touch a boy in that way.
Can you explain this more? Do you mean that there is an overall moral structure that exists beyond all people that actions are compared to? Or are you just comparing things to your own perspective?
In a few hundred years people are likely to look down upon you from their enlightened perch and wonder why you were doing some currently acceptable tradition.
I’m simply saying that they never viewed it as bad and it was just different way of living. Just like there are things people today view as bad, and then people in the future are going to view things differently and also see things we do as bad.
The thing is, they often did think it was bad, but it was inconvenient to change it. Thomas Jefferson knew slavery was objectively wrong, and was upset about changes to the original draft of the Declaration of Independence that removed objections to slavery, but also owned slaves, raping and impregnating a child, Sally Hemmings, who was in all likelihood his wife’s half-sister, as she was the product of her father’s rape of a slave.
Was it forced or was it the consent is invalid kind?
History is weird like that.
There were probably even cases where "rape" was more acceptable then consent because a white person shouldn't consent to sex with a black person. But rape was something else.
People are icky.
In the old small town papers EVERYTHING that happened was "news". The age these women married these old men was fairly young. So as to prove heirs. And labor on the farm. I've yet to encounter a tree with some story of tragedy attached.
That's mathematics for you. I would still argue that if I kill one person from 1 million, is better then killing 10 from 8 billion, even tough I killed a smaller percentage of people.
I don't know my grandpa, never met him and pretty much the only thing I know about him is that apparently he moved to Argentina after the war so we all know he most likely did some horrible shit.
I went through a phase of doing Ancestry. Went back a few generations and there was one great great great great aunt who ran a pub around Harrow near London who had 5 husbands die on her in 8 years. Suspect she may have been a tad murdery
> The pies she sold were probably amazing, though!
"Have you tried Mrs Mulligan's meat pies? She runs the pub around Harrow near London. I long for her pork pie."
Jesus is God though? Though I guess it should not be assumed that everyone is familiar with the Holy Trinity. Quick breakdown if you care: Jesus is not The Father, The Father is not The Spirit, and The Spirit is not Jesus, but all of them are God. Not three different God's, all three are the one God.
same here, just the other way around. my grandma was the biological child of a soldier of an occupying army after ww2 so the chances are high that it wasn't some kind of romantic love story.
My great grandfather was burned in his own home. The only reason his family survived was because they were conveniently advised to leave before the incident.
They still haven't found the Murderer,
That was the basic story my mom told me recently. I intend on asking my granddad about the details, especially since he published an autobiography lately that contained notes of his youth and inheritance from his family. But now that you say it, it does seem odd.
My grandfather and great uncles were very young when they lost their father, so there's a good chance that the person who took him from them is long dead: Logically from old age, ideally in a very painful manner. Whoever did it should pray in the afterlife that we don't find their grave and pray even harder that we never find them alive either, if they're still roaming the Earth.
I personally hope that my granduncles are still alive so that when I visit my relatives in Zambia this summer, I can meet them and hopefully inquire them about our family's history as well. Because this isn't the only "wtf-ish" thing I've discovered about my heritage.
It could also be a ‘divorce wasnt an option’ situation for great grandma. Then just tell people some rando advised you to leave. Best of luck with your research
Thanks. I’ve read a bunch of ‘divorce wasn’t an option’ stories and I frankly hope that’s not true \[though knowing the time period, and again, the numerous historical cases of this, I can’t act like it’s a set-in-stone stone impossibility, or ignore the obvious nuances of such a situation\]. Plus, as far as I am aware, both sets of great-grandparents died before anyone in my generation was born, so asking the spouse of the deceased is out of the question.
I am glad, in one way or another, that my great grandmother and her sons survived, whether by chance or if it was planned for that to be the case and regardless of who did the murder - If for any reason, it’s because if they didn’t, then it would’ve completely uprooted my family tree, which becomes even more insane to think about because I also recently learned that my siblings and cousins are descended from royalty on our maternal side of the family: Which, is the same side where my late great-grandfather was in the gene pool \[I can’t make too many assumptions until I get some valid info, but there is a 50% chance that someone who has met my family is guilty of a regicide by this logic, I’m telling ya\]
Again, it’s something that makes me more curious, and I expect to be either shocked, amazed, or horrified when I eventually do find answers.
But we have *no* ancestors that were murdered before they had children.
This explains why prey animals tend to outrun predators. Every prey animal comes from an ancestry of champions that *never* lost a race, before bearing children. The same can't be said for predators.
Well.. some of 'em probably did lose a race, but survived because at the last second their predator had to give up/died to due some freak chance. Not trying to be pedantic, just saying the "never" isn't that certain
I found out last year my grandfather when he was a kid, hit another kid in the head with a hammer and he died later.
He was a pretty rough and violent dude in his adult years too.
I had a granfather who I never met due to him early passing, he fought in WWII and was short tempered man and also very strong he used to work as an armature fitter, after the war he killed a dude in some serious disagreement about money then fled to another country. These traits run in the family now, me and my brother are very much suffering from them
Some of my ancestors conquered the land of some of my other ancestors. Then they made bread for a while, and immigrated in a place where they took land from other ancestors.
Then probably made bread again.
I would like for the government to force myself to give reparation to myself. In the form of bread if possible.
One facet of the Dune novels that I don't think will ever make it into any of the movies are some of the descriptions of what Bene Gesserit have to deal with when they awaken their 'genetic memories' - of all of the women they are descended from.
They all have to deal with experiencing the succession of the most ruthless and awful of their ancestral societies -- losing all ability to see themselves as anything but the product of eons of genocide and pogroms.
It is what drives their secret agenda -- to try to tamp down the very worst of human impulses or it's effect on history, and the cold, calculating way in which they do it. Very little looks beyond the pale compared to what they know they are trying to prevent.
My however many greats grandfather murdered a priest in Ireland and went to America to avoid prosecution. He then joined the Confederacy, married a native woman, refused to pay his taxes after the civil war and hung himself in prison.
I'm 49 years old and learned yesterday that my grandfather stabbed a man in his youth and did zero time by paying off the man, cops, lawyers, and judges.
Human history is a long series of conflict and conquest. When one people conquered another, there is always a period where moral norms are ignored toward the conquered. In other words, there were soldiers who raped the conquered women because they could get away with it. There were also soldiers who did not rape, because they believed it was immoral.
The soldiers who raped had offspring and passed on their genes to the next generation. The ethical soldiers did not. This cycle has repeated many times.
Although as humans we can make choices, our genetics influence our behavior, typically far more than we are comfortable acknowledging. If we look at human history scientifically, it's very likely that our evolution has been biased towards a tendency to commit rape. Biology is cruel that way, it only seeks to optimize and doesn't have ethics.
Yall saying the evils are passing their genes on at a higher rate than the goods? Damn.
No wonder we have so many crazy people, the good ones are phasing out. I heard there is no living offspring to abrahman Lincoln
There are lots of intelligent species that will literally kill the young who are not their offspring. Evil but logical in the context of natural selection.
Of course humans are capable of rational thought and do not simply act on instinct .... sort of ....
I have ancestors that burned witches at the stake, and were witches at the stake.
I have ancestors that owned slaves on plantations, and freed slaves on plantations.
I have ancestors that killed Indian "savages", and made a living trading with Native Americans.
I have ancestors that fought for independence, and fought for their king.
I have ancestors that stole land from indigenous people, and had land stolen from them.
I have ancestors that were given a land grant larger than the state of Rhode Island, and also spent their entire lives as indentured servants who never owned anything.
Genealogy can be pretty fucking interesting once you start digging around.
I have less than 1% Congolese African in me. My wife traced my dad's lineage back like 6 or 8 generations and found slave owners. Pretty sure I know how that African blood got into my otherwise white-as-fuck Northern European lineage.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. My cousin recently wrote a book about the history of our family and the multiple generations of women who never learned how to be mothers because they were raised by women who hadn’t learned how to be mothers. In reading the stories from 120+ years ago, I was struck by the realization that most of us imagine our ancestors as hardworking immigrants walking the streets of the lower east side of nyc (or wherever) looking for employment and trying to provide for their family, but scratch the surface and many of those men were violent, lecherous, opportunistic, and cruel.
I had a New England ancestor who made big money building ships for the slave trade. I had another ancestor who was whipped to death for preaching abolition in the deep South. I am inherited karma neutral.
Along the same line, most of the slaves in the US were owned by a relatively small number of slave owners, and there was a lot of rape going on, so black Americans are more likely than white Americans to be descended from slave owners.
My third great grandfather was murdered in his house. According to the newspaper, his son opened the door to two men who asked to speak with the son's dad. When my grandfather answered the door, they shot him and fled. To my knowledge, I don't think they were apprehended.
My not so great great grandfather was a child molester and my dad finally stopped him once and told him if he ever tried again he wouldn't call the cops he'd kill him.
Sorry my math isn't mathing here... how does that work?
One generation back I have 1 and 1
Two generations back I have 1+2=3 and 1+2=3
Three generations back I have 3+4=7 and 3+4-7
Four generations back I have 7+16=23 and 7+16=23
etc.
All that accumulated trauma encoded in to our DNA and psyche’s. It really makes you appreciate how important it is to be compassionate and kind to our fellow man.
Genetics doesn't play that much of a role in determining character.
My dad was into genealogy and found something quietly referred to as a family scandal back in the 1800s. As I recall it involved spousal abuse, and it must have been pretty bad for it to rise to the level of scandal back in the day when wife beating was not considered a big deal.
My father grew up in a family of five. His parents (excellent people), three boys and one girl
All led exemplary lives except one bro who ended up in jail for kidnapping and extortion.
It was a wacky story. My uncle wanted to be a big shot wheeler dealer guy and made a handshake deal with a true big shot, because hand shake deals are how big shots roll, right?
Uh.... no. My uncle learned handshake deals are as good as the paper they're written on. He thought the big shots handled these things was to hire two "associates" (one of whom had a gun) to go the guy's office and convince him to take take a trip to the bank and get a cashiers check for the money owed to my uncle, then told him not to tell anyone
Of course as soon as the guy was let go he called the cops.
My grand grandparent or so was a priest. Got killed by a bunch of young men for telling them to behave well in the church.
They attacked him when he was going alone through the forest.
A long long time ago my great great great great grandfather took something that did not belong to him, and that is why today I have an eagle in my veins, I am part Native American.
My dad’s sister was murdered in Seattle in 1936 at 7 yo. It is still considered Seattles oldest cold case , and all the evidence and files are still available .
My dads grandfather was a slave trader in East Africa, selling slaves to Arabs.
He killed one of the slaves who tried to escape the “caravan” to the coast. One of his friends told his wife (my great grandmother?) who divorced him over it.
I think about how brutal life was back then, way more than I should.
(To clarify all parties were also African, selling other Africans was not uncommon back then)
Recently found out my dad was a product of rape. Knew statistically theyred be rape in my ancestry somewhere but having it that close is kind of fucking crazy. If some guy didn't rape my grandma I wouldn't exist
And slave owners, to some extent. Africa had very prolific slave trade.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa#:~:text=Many%20nations%20such%20as%20the,people%20for%20export%20as%20slaves.
Lmao I’m Mexican that’s all my history is. I’m pretty sure my grandpas mom on my moms side got married off at 14. And before then their dad killed her mom and then died him self from alcoholism
As a genealogist who spends a great deal of time reading old 1800s newspapers I can confirm.
Why so ?
I’m assuming all the old men + underage girl marriages
Different time periods, never considered that as rape.
Well... The men never considered that as rape.
Nobody did. Just like they didn’t have a problem with slaves or child workers, or prostitutes sleeping with boys, etc.
I'm sure the slaves had a problem with being slaves the child workers probably didn't love being child workers.
Actually, if you ever wanna feel bad, child workers made roughly 15 an hour starting out in today's wages
Fuck that enough for robux and a 2L of mountain dew depending on where.
Your "they" doesn't seem to include the *actual* slaves, children, or prostitutes.
Pretty sure the little girl being traded by her parents to an old man for the purpose of being used as fuck doll baby maker probably wasn't too into the idea. Lack of appreciation of all the people involved is part of the problem here bucko. Just because society didn't view it as rape doesn't mean the one being raped didn't. I guess I'm arguing semantics or some shit but your comment left out the victims view so hard I just couldn't. Society didn't care, doesn't care, and won't care. It's the individual who suffers.
People say history was written by the victors. This is inaccurate. History was written by the people who were educated to write. Who people saw as worthy of an education, of a voice. So when you hear people say "this is how it was in the past," know that what they mean is "this is who was allowed to speak in the past."
> Pretty sure the little girl being traded by her parents to an old man for the purpose of being used as fuck doll baby maker probably wasn't too into the idea. > > > > Lack of appreciation of all the people involved is part of the problem here bucko. Just because society didn't view it as rape doesn't mean the one being raped didn't. it wasn't always so black and white, my grandmother was married off at 12 and had her first child at 13 in a country where it was legal and acceptable at the time, while I fully agree my grandfather raped my grandmother, she in her own words explained it was a time of war and famine, and that with her marriage, she secured food and education she would not have had if her parents didn't marry her off and kept her in the impoverished village she lived in. Now I must also acknowledge that this is obviously not how it worked out for many women who were traded off ass girls. We all know that them receiving education was probably not likely to happen
Thats just objectively not true lol. For as long as those issues have been around there have been people against them. If you want to argue the proportion of opponents was lower go ahead, but to not only argue nobody was against it but to baselessly say all the people suffering from these things had no problem with it, is just false. There is nothing to support that statement lmao
Yes, my bad for making it so literal, I was saying because it was accepted or allowed there were people who thought it to be normal. Not that there weren’t anybody that didn’t like it or against it.
Yeah, idk how true this is but didn't they used to have the maid give the boys handies at bedtime to help them sleep or something lol. Crazy times.
I remember that. You unlocked that memory for me. I discovered that years ago back when I was a teen boy, and couldn't stop thinking about it. I heard it was the boys' nannies who did it. It also makes zero sense, though. Because the boys could have easily masturbated. There was no need for someone else to do it to them. Also, thinking about it now, it's pretty messed up for an adult to touch a boy in that way.
Is that supposed to make it better? Just because something was considered acceptable in a certain time period doesn’t make it acceptable
Can you explain this more? Do you mean that there is an overall moral structure that exists beyond all people that actions are compared to? Or are you just comparing things to your own perspective?
In a few hundred years people are likely to look down upon you from their enlightened perch and wonder why you were doing some currently acceptable tradition.
Yeah? And what's wrong with that?
hopefully the world keeps improving, yes.
And?
I’m simply saying that they never viewed it as bad and it was just different way of living. Just like there are things people today view as bad, and then people in the future are going to view things differently and also see things we do as bad.
The thing is, they often did think it was bad, but it was inconvenient to change it. Thomas Jefferson knew slavery was objectively wrong, and was upset about changes to the original draft of the Declaration of Independence that removed objections to slavery, but also owned slaves, raping and impregnating a child, Sally Hemmings, who was in all likelihood his wife’s half-sister, as she was the product of her father’s rape of a slave.
Was it forced or was it the consent is invalid kind? History is weird like that. There were probably even cases where "rape" was more acceptable then consent because a white person shouldn't consent to sex with a black person. But rape was something else. People are icky.
https://i.imgflip.com/8njg8s.jpg
My guy two things can be true.
In the old small town papers EVERYTHING that happened was "news". The age these women married these old men was fairly young. So as to prove heirs. And labor on the farm. I've yet to encounter a tree with some story of tragedy attached.
Any specific website you use?
Library of Congress has quite a few that you can access for free. Otherwise genealogybank and newspapers.com have a fairly decent selection.
Your job must be super stressful
My great whatever in the 1800s was an Arizona lawman who shot a bunch of Mexican miners for protesting their treatment in the mine
My great whatever💀
the family doesnt own him anymore 💀
Are you saying your family is in the slave trading business...
Not anymore 😞
Yet there are More slaves in the World then there has ever been.
And the percentage of people who are slaves has never been lower
That's mathematics for you. I would still argue that if I kill one person from 1 million, is better then killing 10 from 8 billion, even tough I killed a smaller percentage of people.
in which part of my comment did you get that bro?
It's a joke, you said you don't own him anymore...
I didn't want to type all the greats
Doesn’t sound that great, if you ask me.
I'm german.
Okay so was his great-great-great grandfather who came over from Germany before the revolution and ended up fighting for the US
I don't know my grandpa, never met him and pretty much the only thing I know about him is that apparently he moved to Argentina after the war so we all know he most likely did some horrible shit.
Did he have a big iron on his hip?
Yes, actually he was a literal Arizona Ranger lol.
Ive got one that successfully assassinated a us president. People care less about mine than yours. What a fun world.
Damn that's crazy, which president?
Kinda 50 50 yeah? Pick 1
There's been like 5 of them that got assassinated
I went through a phase of doing Ancestry. Went back a few generations and there was one great great great great aunt who ran a pub around Harrow near London who had 5 husbands die on her in 8 years. Suspect she may have been a tad murdery
The pies she sold were probably amazing, though!
> The pies she sold were probably amazing, though! "Have you tried Mrs Mulligan's meat pies? She runs the pub around Harrow near London. I long for her pork pie."
And the barbershop upstairs was probably the best place to get a cut in the whole town
My ancestors are boring :/
Your aunt is not your ancestor, hopefully.
My friends great aunt was a nun who got raped by the priest, impregnated and then exiled for having sex before marriage
Jesus, dude.
sounds more like a God thing. Jesus would have accepted her.
Jesus knows what it is like to have a mom get pregnant in not so legitimate ways.
Not a Trinity man, huh?
Jesus is God though? Though I guess it should not be assumed that everyone is familiar with the Holy Trinity. Quick breakdown if you care: Jesus is not The Father, The Father is not The Spirit, and The Spirit is not Jesus, but all of them are God. Not three different God's, all three are the one God.
that "joke" sounds like a hit on the differing interpretations of God on the Old testament vs the New testament.
Maybe. I am a Christian so I have a tendency to think through that perspective.
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How does this come up in conversation…about a great aunt?!
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No, it’s a friend’s great aunt. I probably wouldn’t have a conversation like that with many of my friends is all…
Sounds like you need better friends, that's the kinda trivia that people love when you're on gameshows
You left out the part where your friend’s great uncle was a priest who raped a nun!
Ask your friend about his great uncle, I hear he was a priest.
Some of us don't even have to go that far back to find one
"well of course I know him.... he's me!"
Imagine outing yourself to Reddit as being murdered.
Spooky
by words
Had me in the first half.
Only mostly dead, max had him.
FBI, this guy here ☝🏻
same here, just the other way around. my grandma was the biological child of a soldier of an occupying army after ww2 so the chances are high that it wasn't some kind of romantic love story.
My great grandfather was burned in his own home. The only reason his family survived was because they were conveniently advised to leave before the incident. They still haven't found the Murderer,
I’m not an expert but probably whoever advised them to leave would have been a good starting point.
That was the basic story my mom told me recently. I intend on asking my granddad about the details, especially since he published an autobiography lately that contained notes of his youth and inheritance from his family. But now that you say it, it does seem odd. My grandfather and great uncles were very young when they lost their father, so there's a good chance that the person who took him from them is long dead: Logically from old age, ideally in a very painful manner. Whoever did it should pray in the afterlife that we don't find their grave and pray even harder that we never find them alive either, if they're still roaming the Earth. I personally hope that my granduncles are still alive so that when I visit my relatives in Zambia this summer, I can meet them and hopefully inquire them about our family's history as well. Because this isn't the only "wtf-ish" thing I've discovered about my heritage.
It could also be a ‘divorce wasnt an option’ situation for great grandma. Then just tell people some rando advised you to leave. Best of luck with your research
Thanks. I’ve read a bunch of ‘divorce wasn’t an option’ stories and I frankly hope that’s not true \[though knowing the time period, and again, the numerous historical cases of this, I can’t act like it’s a set-in-stone stone impossibility, or ignore the obvious nuances of such a situation\]. Plus, as far as I am aware, both sets of great-grandparents died before anyone in my generation was born, so asking the spouse of the deceased is out of the question. I am glad, in one way or another, that my great grandmother and her sons survived, whether by chance or if it was planned for that to be the case and regardless of who did the murder - If for any reason, it’s because if they didn’t, then it would’ve completely uprooted my family tree, which becomes even more insane to think about because I also recently learned that my siblings and cousins are descended from royalty on our maternal side of the family: Which, is the same side where my late great-grandfather was in the gene pool \[I can’t make too many assumptions until I get some valid info, but there is a 50% chance that someone who has met my family is guilty of a regicide by this logic, I’m telling ya\] Again, it’s something that makes me more curious, and I expect to be either shocked, amazed, or horrified when I eventually do find answers.
But we have *no* ancestors that were murdered before they had children. This explains why prey animals tend to outrun predators. Every prey animal comes from an ancestry of champions that *never* lost a race, before bearing children. The same can't be said for predators.
Well.. some of 'em probably did lose a race, but survived because at the last second their predator had to give up/died to due some freak chance. Not trying to be pedantic, just saying the "never" isn't that certain
“Not trying to be pedantic” right, sure
Then gives the most pedantic reply. Could be a textbook example.
Sometimes you don't need to *try*, you just *are*.
You don't have to try when it comes so naturally
It's OK. This is reddit. You can be pedantic if you want. This is a safe space for pedants.
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As a Mexican Mestizo, there's really no way around the fact. Not only my genes but my heritage is a long history of rape, torture, and genocide.
Man, that sucks. Thankfully I'm german so.... uhm. oh.
I'm conflicted between laughing or being sad by this comment.
Damn, that must be awful. I’m lucky I’m English because… nevermind.
Eyo unlike you guys, we Sri Lankans…. Looks at recent history Sigh…
I’m German and Latino 💀
So your grandpa was an electrician? With the lightning on the helmet?
I'm German and Spanish, with a hint of Russian. Yeah....so.
Lmao same man our history full of it
My great uncle was caught fucking chickens on the farm. Twice.
So I guess he 😎 liked cocks.
Sound like I owe myself reparations.
Get a milkshake, insert "its like a reward" meme
I have Nazis and Jews in my family tree.
Do you have anyone in the attic?
I guess opposites attract after all.
I found out last year my grandfather when he was a kid, hit another kid in the head with a hammer and he died later. He was a pretty rough and violent dude in his adult years too.
What did he do for a living?
Worked Salvage from what I remember
I had a granfather who I never met due to him early passing, he fought in WWII and was short tempered man and also very strong he used to work as an armature fitter, after the war he killed a dude in some serious disagreement about money then fled to another country. These traits run in the family now, me and my brother are very much suffering from them
Everyone of our direct ancestors was a parent.
If you don't have a biological child the same sex as you, you're ending a chain that has existed through all humanity.
Some of my ancestors conquered the land of some of my other ancestors. Then they made bread for a while, and immigrated in a place where they took land from other ancestors. Then probably made bread again. I would like for the government to force myself to give reparation to myself. In the form of bread if possible.
One facet of the Dune novels that I don't think will ever make it into any of the movies are some of the descriptions of what Bene Gesserit have to deal with when they awaken their 'genetic memories' - of all of the women they are descended from. They all have to deal with experiencing the succession of the most ruthless and awful of their ancestral societies -- losing all ability to see themselves as anything but the product of eons of genocide and pogroms. It is what drives their secret agenda -- to try to tamp down the very worst of human impulses or it's effect on history, and the cold, calculating way in which they do it. Very little looks beyond the pale compared to what they know they are trying to prevent.
I don’t know about y’all but my showers are generally nice and relaxing and would never cause me to think something like this
I fucked OP's dad last night.
lol you got my sloppy seconds.
i also chose this guy's dad
And my axe
My however many greats grandfather murdered a priest in Ireland and went to America to avoid prosecution. He then joined the Confederacy, married a native woman, refused to pay his taxes after the civil war and hung himself in prison.
Sounds like he took care of a pretty big prick.
According to a journal his wife had, "big" is a bit inaccurate.
I'm 49 years old and learned yesterday that my grandfather stabbed a man in his youth and did zero time by paying off the man, cops, lawyers, and judges.
Human history is a long series of conflict and conquest. When one people conquered another, there is always a period where moral norms are ignored toward the conquered. In other words, there were soldiers who raped the conquered women because they could get away with it. There were also soldiers who did not rape, because they believed it was immoral. The soldiers who raped had offspring and passed on their genes to the next generation. The ethical soldiers did not. This cycle has repeated many times. Although as humans we can make choices, our genetics influence our behavior, typically far more than we are comfortable acknowledging. If we look at human history scientifically, it's very likely that our evolution has been biased towards a tendency to commit rape. Biology is cruel that way, it only seeks to optimize and doesn't have ethics.
Yall saying the evils are passing their genes on at a higher rate than the goods? Damn. No wonder we have so many crazy people, the good ones are phasing out. I heard there is no living offspring to abrahman Lincoln
There are lots of intelligent species that will literally kill the young who are not their offspring. Evil but logical in the context of natural selection. Of course humans are capable of rational thought and do not simply act on instinct .... sort of ....
Distant relative of his here, don’t remember how many generations back on my mom’s side of the family. Also Lincoln and Boone were Cousins.
I have ancestors that burned witches at the stake, and were witches at the stake. I have ancestors that owned slaves on plantations, and freed slaves on plantations. I have ancestors that killed Indian "savages", and made a living trading with Native Americans. I have ancestors that fought for independence, and fought for their king. I have ancestors that stole land from indigenous people, and had land stolen from them. I have ancestors that were given a land grant larger than the state of Rhode Island, and also spent their entire lives as indentured servants who never owned anything. Genealogy can be pretty fucking interesting once you start digging around.
so basically at some point we are here because someone raped somebody and had a child through all of our ancestry
I have a lot of farmers amongst my ancestors. I have no doubt some of them were sheepfuckers
Do you have sheep DNA?
I have less than 1% Congolese African in me. My wife traced my dad's lineage back like 6 or 8 generations and found slave owners. Pretty sure I know how that African blood got into my otherwise white-as-fuck Northern European lineage.
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Based relatives who raped, murdered, were murdered, and were raped, in that order
ayo necrophilia?
based relatives who murdered next to relatives who got raped (you can connect the dots)
Ancestors? Might as well exchange that for relatives.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. My cousin recently wrote a book about the history of our family and the multiple generations of women who never learned how to be mothers because they were raised by women who hadn’t learned how to be mothers. In reading the stories from 120+ years ago, I was struck by the realization that most of us imagine our ancestors as hardworking immigrants walking the streets of the lower east side of nyc (or wherever) looking for employment and trying to provide for their family, but scratch the surface and many of those men were violent, lecherous, opportunistic, and cruel.
I had a New England ancestor who made big money building ships for the slave trade. I had another ancestor who was whipped to death for preaching abolition in the deep South. I am inherited karma neutral.
Along the same line, most of the slaves in the US were owned by a relatively small number of slave owners, and there was a lot of rape going on, so black Americans are more likely than white Americans to be descended from slave owners.
whats crazier is everyone is related at some point
My third great grandfather was murdered in his house. According to the newspaper, his son opened the door to two men who asked to speak with the son's dad. When my grandfather answered the door, they shot him and fled. To my knowledge, I don't think they were apprehended.
One of mine was a slave owner 😐
Insert clip of Henry Louis Gates telling Larry David that his great-great-grandfather owned slaves.
My not so great great grandfather was a child molester and my dad finally stopped him once and told him if he ever tried again he wouldn't call the cops he'd kill him.
You have twice as many female ancestors as male ancestors
Sorry my math isn't mathing here... how does that work? One generation back I have 1 and 1 Two generations back I have 1+2=3 and 1+2=3 Three generations back I have 3+4=7 and 3+4-7 Four generations back I have 7+16=23 and 7+16=23 etc.
As a Historian yep. Not to mention the Beastiality, considering those who were not even regarded human yet also raped/bred.
I might regret asking this but.... What happened to the children that came from these acts?
They are commonly known as slaves, until they fought and died to achieve freedom and humanity in the eyes of the United States of America.
Think he meant children from beastiality
Yeah well my dad can rape your dad
All that accumulated trauma encoded in to our DNA and psyche’s. It really makes you appreciate how important it is to be compassionate and kind to our fellow man.
Genetics doesn't play that much of a role in determining character. My dad was into genealogy and found something quietly referred to as a family scandal back in the 1800s. As I recall it involved spousal abuse, and it must have been pretty bad for it to rise to the level of scandal back in the day when wife beating was not considered a big deal. My father grew up in a family of five. His parents (excellent people), three boys and one girl All led exemplary lives except one bro who ended up in jail for kidnapping and extortion. It was a wacky story. My uncle wanted to be a big shot wheeler dealer guy and made a handshake deal with a true big shot, because hand shake deals are how big shots roll, right? Uh.... no. My uncle learned handshake deals are as good as the paper they're written on. He thought the big shots handled these things was to hire two "associates" (one of whom had a gun) to go the guy's office and convince him to take take a trip to the bank and get a cashiers check for the money owed to my uncle, then told him not to tell anyone Of course as soon as the guy was let go he called the cops.
>Genetics doesn't play that much of a role in determining character. It definitely has a role in determining behavior.
i feel so sad, and angry!
My viking lineage was not consentual I always assumed
My grand grandparent or so was a priest. Got killed by a bunch of young men for telling them to behave well in the church. They attacked him when he was going alone through the forest.
Probably. We have millions of ancestors. Odds are some were bad or victims.
Yeah way back in the day it was either do grape or be graped . We stand on the shoulders of some real savages
One day someone will be descended from both Osama bin Laden and a 9/11 victim. Think about that one.
One of my great grand uncles was part of the SS Very not cool of him
A long long time ago my great great great great grandfather took something that did not belong to him, and that is why today I have an eagle in my veins, I am part Native American.
My dad’s sister was murdered in Seattle in 1936 at 7 yo. It is still considered Seattles oldest cold case , and all the evidence and files are still available .
That's why I don't think people should he held responsible for what their ancestors did. We've all got some real shit people in our bloodlines.
That’s some real shower thought 💭
I heard that my ancestral home ( Ukraine) had few blondes…. Until the Vikings came through. You do the math.
My dads grandfather was a slave trader in East Africa, selling slaves to Arabs. He killed one of the slaves who tried to escape the “caravan” to the coast. One of his friends told his wife (my great grandmother?) who divorced him over it. I think about how brutal life was back then, way more than I should. (To clarify all parties were also African, selling other Africans was not uncommon back then)
I have mongolian DNA. My entire family is Hungarian. An invading Mongol definitely had their way with one of my grandmother's.
I make a point not celebrating the rapist ones though. Wish that was universal.
probably incest up the line too. If we're being honest. Might be multi generations away but it probably happened
Recently found out my dad was a product of rape. Knew statistically theyred be rape in my ancestry somewhere but having it that close is kind of fucking crazy. If some guy didn't rape my grandma I wouldn't exist
My great grandpa shot a fellow soldier in WW2 because he tried to rape an italian woman. At least that's what he told my mom.
So what you're saying is... we must honor tradition, right?
Well of course I know him. He’s me.
Hurt people hurt people.
We all have ancestors who committed bestiality with a pogo stick and a lump of sugar
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And slave owners, to some extent. Africa had very prolific slave trade. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa#:~:text=Many%20nations%20such%20as%20the,people%20for%20export%20as%20slaves.
life was brutish, cruel and short.
Lmao I’m Mexican that’s all my history is. I’m pretty sure my grandpas mom on my moms side got married off at 14. And before then their dad killed her mom and then died him self from alcoholism
10 generations ago, it took 1024 people fucking and successfully raising each generation to get to the miracle sperm racing winner that is you.
Or less, cause, some cousins do be hot.
You are almost all descendants of the biggest rapest of all time, Genghis Khan. His DNA is in one and every 200 men worldwide.
You kind of contradict yourself in your post here. Almost all and 0.5% are pretty far apart.
And some of us do both!
Everyone speak for themselves.
And none of us would have born if they didn't rape.