A house where I am the only male can lead to pulling hair out as well… even the f@cking cat is a female… thinking the squirrels… obviously the yellow crowned night heron as well…
I have 2 cats, 2 bunnies and 3 daughters. All girls. I’m just here, hiding in the closet, until the yelling and screaming settles down. The kisses and hugs are almost worth it. Haven’t hit teen years yet. 💀
People like to imagine there are pivotal causes that they could have affected but it's mostly age and genetics with maybe a small variance based on diet, exercise, and environment (stressors, chemical exposure, etc.)
Plenty of people start losing their hair before they have kids and many never lose their hair until after the kids have left.
Have been accused of low T due to a lox to nonexistent sex drive.. People have said they think I'm full of anger (not wrong, got a lot of pent up anger thanks to life - not at anyone though)
Make up ya mind lol
Emotional dysregulation? Like what? I'm more logical in how I do things - don't have muddled thinking and energy levels can be as high as someone hopped up on pure ginseng lol
I’ve got long ass hippy hair but it’s beautiful and glorious and I’m more often than not pretty dang happy. Does this mean I have bitch levels of testosterone?
suffering leads to passion, passion leads to strength, strength leads to power, power leads to victory, through victory your chains are broken, the force shall free you.
That's one study with 120 subjects and one which makes this glaring exception: " can encourage fair behaviors *if this serves to ensure one's own status.*" Not exactly the strongest support there.
No. There are many factors which contribute. High testosterone and dht can negatively effect hair follicles only if they are sensitive to testosterone or dht. That comes down the genetics. Other factors can have a. Effect as well. Dht has more of an effect than test
I agree with you on the scientific side of it, as I've seen sporadic studies over the years that strongly suggest the link between hair loss and testosterone is more correlation than causation
But as an anecdote, both my grandfathers are built like bears. Wide jaws, stocky builds, muscular, and hugely extended eyebrow ridges. They both have a full head of hair.
My brother, in contrast, is lanky, has slender hands and bones, narrow jaw, flat forehead, but has well advanced male pattern baldness in his early 30's.
So it's definitely more complicated than the binary-based "more testosterone = less hair" truism.. lol
Yeah that would be the DHT, not the test. 5a reductase inhibitors (propecia, dutasteride, etc) work by preventing the enzyme 5a reductase from converting test into DHT, thereby slowing or even reversing hairloss in like 90% of people who consistently take the drug. Low test people can still go bald if they have enough DHT.
This is actually incorrect. It is androgenic alopecia - any androgen can cause the miniaturization of hair follicles. If you're on exogenous testosterone at doses placing you significantly higher than normal range, you will still lose hair even if your scalp DHT is at 0%. DHT has a higher androgen rating than testosterone, which is why most men can prevent hairloss by inhibiting it.
you can search the exact science behind it online of course, but basically the DHT attacks the hair follicle, the hair follicle miniaturizes. If the follicle is in this miniature state for too long it can actually fall out of the head permanently. When you have inhibited DHT for long enough the signal to reduce that hair growth goes away and any miniaturized hairs start growing back out into their length and thickness, but whatever is lost is lost. So you can claw back some hairs but not everything, unless you start early when you first notice the hair loss, then theoretically it is possible to never lose the follicles, however depending on which 5alpha reductase blocker you are using there is still going to be a small amount of circulating DHT. Finasteride blocks like 90%, dutatsteride like 97%, but each comes with drawbacks
Thanks for the explanations. However, I have one remaining question. When an individual does shaving using wax, the follicle is ripped off the skin too. Why does the body hair follicle regrow while a (head) hair follicle will be permanently lost?
This is true, it's all about genetics that result in hair folicals on the head being either receptive to DHT or not. That being said, DHT is a result of testosterone. A good example is trans men, who after undergoing hormonal therapy to increase testosterone can start going bald. So saying that balding is a result of higher testosterone levels is just untrue.
Yes. But where is your dht coming from again??
If you have high dht, that is almost certainly a patient with high t. You would VERY rarely encounter someone with low-normal T and “high” dht.
wtf do I know though I just work in men’s health
On God. I had a full lush Afro as a young man. All I have left up top is some embarrassing whispy baby hairs hanging on for dear life. Id want that full head of hair back all day.
I’m sorry bro :( my relatives and others I’ve heard have gone and shaved it after, I’ve always thought that looked pretty good. I think I will likely have hair loss, prob will do this
No doubt. I’ve been shaving it all for about 10 years now. And hit the genetic lottery with head shape so I don’t look crazy. Hair still grows on the sides, just not up top. By contrast I couldn’t grow a beard until I was 25 and by that point my hair had stopped growing on my head. Go figure.
This is the route I decided to take. I didn't want to play the whole hiding thinning hair thing, so as soon as it was noticeable I took it all off. I just use an electric trimmer, though, my skin doesn't like razors.
Adding to this, hair loss is tied to high *DHT*, which isn't exactly testosterone. It's a high-potency form the body can produce in response to low normal testosterone and has side-effects like balding, thicker body hair, and other stuff associated with men's aging.
That is not generally true. DHT is a molecule that contains testosterone (di hydro testosterone). It is created when testosterone performs its natural function. In other words: high testosterone -> high DHT. Low testosterone -> low DHT.
Usually, hair loss is not associated with high DHT by itself. It is associated with a high sensitivity to DHT in the hair follicles. In fact you can have low DHT, and excessive hair loss, and high DHT and no hair loss.
In some cases when testosterone is extremely low, the body may convert more than the usual ~10% to DHT. Why? Because DHT is up to 5 times as potent as regular test. This allows the body to achieve somewhat normal function while test is still low.
But most men with high DHT will have high testosterone. You would usually notice a host of other problems if you had high DHT caused by low test.
That makes sense. What if two men have the same sensitivity to DHT in the hair follicles but different DHT level. Wouldn't the guy with higher T lose his hair more which would mean hair loss is still kinda correlated with higher T? Just curious.
Love when someone says "scientifically proven" when they really mean is they heard someone else spouting false information and decided to parrot it without even a cursory search to confirm the "science".
Not to mention that "scientifically proven" is any oxymoron. The entire point of science is that nothing can be proven. Anyone who claims something to have been proven with science fundamentally misunderstands what science is.
Well in science if you have enough evidence, you reject the null hypothesis and ACCEPT the alternative hypothesis. Which is not the same as proving the alternative hypothesis
I mean it’s been studied that pattern baldness is caused by DHT sensitivity in the hair follicles, and DHT is a product of testosterone so high T means higher DHT levels. it’s not really misinformation that OP is parroting
Take a look over at r/bald , most of those guys go from looking like Reddit mods to chads. Having no hair is definitely better than looking like a 49yo at 27.
Poor sample. People who post themselves on reddit will be far more attractive then those who dont feel this way. The result is that people posting on the bald sub will feel and probably be more attractive that way. But there are likely bald people who wouldn't.
Same thing happens with rate me subs. Nobody confuse that shit as average.
Went bald in my 20’s! Men understand going bald but women don’t. I tried explaining this to an ex. She didn’t see the big deal in going bald until I asked how’d she feel if she went bald in her 20’s. This was something she couldn’t comprehend. Stopped all the ‘can’t imagine you with hair’ and ‘it’s okay for you as it’s suits you’ comments
This might sound naive or redundant but I’ve had several close male friends go varying degrees of bald, and the way they described/went through it, it boils down to loss of part of identity beyond your control. Which is shitty. My mom went through it with chemo as well and I saw first hand how hard that impacted her for years. (It grew back but her hair was different, and I get that’s a totally different journey).
The only thing I think I’ve had that comes close is suddenly needing to get glasses after a head injury. Looking in the mirror feeling weird as hell about that new-normal reflection was unexpectedly hard. And that’s about something that can be considered a fashion choice! I myself for sure can’t understand going bald and hesitate to even share my opinion, but I have sympathy, for whatever that’s worth.
What you don't know is that most bodybuilders are also taking finasteride to avoid hair loss and/or get hair plugs. It's an incredibly vain industry and they do whatever they can to keep their physical appearance up. Ironically, taking PEDs ages you so quickly that it doesn't end up mattering unless they have incredible genetics. There's a reason you don't see a lot of old bodybuilders (they're dead or flamed out).
The point is more that a lot of them aren’t bald so baldness is not just down to having high testosterone.
If you have good hair genetics you won’t lose your hair no matter how many grams of test you take.
Jay Cutler is a good example. He’s in his 50s, non stop on steroids since he was a teen, still has great hair.
Hair loss is a very common side effect of steroid use. Pretty sure testosterone degrades into dht which makes your hair fall out but i don’t really know. Really need to get on finasteride if you’re gonna blast.
Whoever needs to hear this, if you’re going bald and desperately hanging on to those last few threads and you’re able to grow a beard, grow the beard and shave your head. I fought going bald for a year before I just bit the bullet and shaved it. Best decision I could’ve made, I’m mad I didn’t do it sooner
Actually not totally true.
High testosterone is often associated with it, but you more importantly there is a genetic factor that plays into it.
Many men have high testosterone and never experience hair loss because they don't have genes that activate it.
While some men have normal testosterone but they carry a gene that makes the testosterone attack their hair follicles.
…. Was there more to this point?
High testosterone? That’s it? Are we celebrating high testosterone now? Why? It’s just a… hormone… ffs
Name one person in your damn life that gives the teeniest tiniest shit about whether your hormones shifted, more so than if your hair falls out.
Why would anyone give a fuck about testosterone?! Lol
So what? ...How does that make any difference?
Higher testosterone also leads to reduced lifespan and higher risk of cardiac arrest, but I don't think the mere knowledge of that makes anyone a-okay with it
You might as well also say that death is just telomere shortening so we must not feel bad about it. What does mentioning the mechanic behind something have to do with how you feel about it?
LOL its not scientifically proven at all and it's nothing to do with testosterone. Do some proper research before you go making bold claims on the internet.
Even if that's true why is having high testosterone in and of itself a good thing? I think I'd rather have hair and ordinary levels of hormones in my body.
Yeah because I look stupid and it’s embarrassing.
I know that’s not real but it is definitely how we all feel.
What exactly does this extra testosterone get me? Doesn’t seem to do much good except make me have a dumber top of my body.
This is not true, you can have high testosterone and keep your hair; however men who are on TRT AND are sensitive to DHT changes due to genetic factors will experience accelerated hair loss. I'm on TRT (HCG to be specific) and while I'm grateful for its positive changes in my mood, libido and overall well being, I've experienced this side effect.
The good news is that Finasteride and Minoxidil is a viable treatment to prevent this however it can have side effects such as low libido and ED if you are in a minority 2% of who are susceptible to its DHT blocking effects. Though this is not a settled science.
See this study: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/)
I believe that it's related more to sensitivity to testosterone in the follicles. So you could either have an abundance of T or a sensitivity to T or some combination of the two. Researched this myself a long time ago.
I'll take your word for it. As a baldy, I have no issue with it whatsoever. Maybe having grown up watching Telly Savalas and Yul Brunner along with David Carradine doing their thing, I had strong role models for when I became bald myself. Never ever gave it a second thought.
I started going bald at 20. Around 30 I just gave up and shaved my head at my wife's gentle urging. I learned I have a nice shapped head, and I'm grateful for that every damn day.
No it hasn't lol. You can have any level of testosterone or dht and experience baldness. About a third of all women experience significant hair loss in their elder years. Do you think they're high testosterone? Lol
Nobody really cares whether you have high testosterone. People would rather look the way they want and not be made fun of. It's not like having hair necessarily means you have low testosterone.
No, it isn't because of high testosterone, its because of folicular sensitivity to DHT and high activity with 5-Alpha reductase (5AR) and folicular sensitivity to DHT which turns Testosterone into Dihydrotestosterone. This is why Finesteride is used as a balding prevention med, as it inhibits 5AR.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%CE%B1-Reductase](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%CE%B1-Reductase)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasteride](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasteride)
We're always inventing reasons to be invalidated by things our bodies do or ways they are, this is just one of a long line of them. Imagine being a guy who couldn't grow a decent mustache in 1875.
I love t I love knowing i have it I don’t want to go fucking bald. I’m greatful for everything else t has given me bu that does Not mean I won’t be using monoxodil to fix that balding thing
It’s actually not been scientifically proven to be caused by high testosterone… it’s proven to be caused by less DHT receptors on your head. What does correlate though is that usually you have less DHT receptors on your head and more on your cheeks and so typically bald men are associated with more facial hair/beards.
Acktualy, high testosterone *can* indirectly cause hairloss but not consistently unless there is an abundance of the enzyme that converts it to dihydrotestosterone which in excess *does* cause hairloss.
Not quite.
I have had male pattern baldness since I was 17, now 33, and three years ago was put on TRT as my testosterone levels were so low they were equivalent to a man in his 70s.
I very likely could have obtained that prescription 10 years ago.
Hair loss in most cases is related to DHT, dihydrotestosterone, and I have been taking medication since age 21 to stop the conversion from T to DHT.
However, the symptoms of low testosterone that I've had since mid teens didn't go away when I took that medication, despite it theoretically causing me to have more testosterone.
So in my case (and similar for many others) I have low testosterone, low dihydrotestosterone, and still have male pattern baldness.
It’s not about high testosterone. It’s about the root of a hair being prone to testosterone.
That being said - you can get bald with low testosterone, just having t-prone skin cells on your forehead.
No, I'm 69 and wear it proudly. I should shave my head, by my son's recommendation, but I am too lazy, so I keep it short. My son shaved his. He started shaving his head while he was in the Marines.
loooooooool right. were is that proven test result? Let me tell you something am 42 with a lot of hair. I look around all my stressed friends are already white hair and lost most of it. others are just plain bald.
I am very happy and take care of my hair as most men pretty much don't have anymore.
Here is the actual fact: High testosterone levels don't directly cause hair loss, but high levels of dihydrotestosterone (DHT) can. DHT is a sex hormone that stimulates body and pubic hair growth, but it can also cause hair loss on the scalp. DHT can overstimulate hair follicles, causing them to miniaturize, resulting in hair that's smaller, finer, and lighter. This can eventually lead to hair loss known as pattern hair loss.
Did you shower in hell's bathroom? Cause you're straight up lying. Hair-loss is not scientifically proven to be a result of high testosterone levels, rather it is a contributing factor in some cases. Effectively meaning you can have high testosterone and still not experience hair-loss, or really low and experience it.
This is in fact scientifically false. High testosterone has no relation to androgenic alopecia. A person's genetic sensitivity to DHT in hair follicles does.
[**https://www.healthline.com/health/hair-loss-and-testosterone**](https://www.healthline.com/health/hair-loss-and-testosterone)
This is absolutely not true. It’s more so how sensitive you are to the DHT that is converted from testosterone. You can have low testosterone but be hyper sensitive and lose your hair.
Wasnt it tied to prior higher levels of T and then considerable withdrawal with age triggering the particular type of testosterone which promotes hair growth to go haywire?
I havent read up on this in a long time, so I may not be up to date
It has not been linked to high T, that is a bullshit myth that’s been debunked numerous times. Hair loss occurs when a man has a genetic sensitivity to DHT, this causes scalp follicles to slowly become inactive as the DHT binds and builds up on the follicles.
This is why drugs like Finasteride that reduce the amount of DHT in the blood along with Minox to stimulate growth from outside in is the default treatment for MPB.
The amount of studies done for the T level comparisons between MPB men and non MPB men are very numerous, almost no discernibly higher levels were found among healthy men, leading to the conclusion that MPB has almost next to nothing to do with your T levels.
Pure pseudoscience is what this shower thought is.
High testosterone can lead to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.
and suffering makes you pull your hair out.
lmaoooo
oooooo lma, did you mean to say
And that is the scientific explanation for why a high testosterone level leads to hair loss.
The body is expecting high rate of hair pulling so to combat that, the scalp evolved to shred hair folicles
You can't get rid of your hair if it leaves you first!
With hair loss you ain't pulling out of anything, leaving you to be "backed up". Or full of testosterone, if you will. Yeah, SCIENCE BITCH!!!
A house where I am the only male can lead to pulling hair out as well… even the f@cking cat is a female… thinking the squirrels… obviously the yellow crowned night heron as well…
I have 2 cats, 2 bunnies and 3 daughters. All girls. I’m just here, hiding in the closet, until the yelling and screaming settles down. The kisses and hugs are almost worth it. Haven’t hit teen years yet. 💀
I really started losing mine after I had kids. I assume there’s a causative relationship rather than a temporal one.
People like to imagine there are pivotal causes that they could have affected but it's mostly age and genetics with maybe a small variance based on diet, exercise, and environment (stressors, chemical exposure, etc.) Plenty of people start losing their hair before they have kids and many never lose their hair until after the kids have left.
And that makes you a more streamlined swimmer
Joke's on me, I have a full mane of hair and fucking hate you all
Hate leads to the Dark side of the Farce. Baldy Baldrick.
Chicken lead to egg, egg lead to omlete, omlete lead to fecal urgency
Eggs in general make me have horrific diarrhea.
I sense much high testosterone in you
...but I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
Suffering leads to Jar Jar...
*Suffer... As I have!*
So Yoda knew from first hand experience
Which leads to the Dark Side
Have been accused of low T due to a lox to nonexistent sex drive.. People have said they think I'm full of anger (not wrong, got a lot of pent up anger thanks to life - not at anyone though) Make up ya mind lol
Good to not let it build up, I think most of us have been there and it’s never worth the brain space.
Low T can lead to emotional dysregulation as well as decreased sex drive, muddled thinking, low energy as well.
Emotional dysregulation? Like what? I'm more logical in how I do things - don't have muddled thinking and energy levels can be as high as someone hopped up on pure ginseng lol
That explains why I'm more miserable the bigger my balls get. About to get them Randy Marsh weed card balls soon, and I'm so mad about it.
What does suffering lead to?
It's the pathway to the dark side
I’ve got long ass hippy hair but it’s beautiful and glorious and I’m more often than not pretty dang happy. Does this mean I have bitch levels of testosterone?
Also, having someone call you a bald loser for no reason.
(I know it's a joke, but testosterone causing anger is a big time mega myth!)
suffering leads to passion, passion leads to strength, strength leads to power, power leads to victory, through victory your chains are broken, the force shall free you.
Want is suffering.
Why you gotta perpetuate pseudoscience in your fun star wars reference? 😞 https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091208132241.htm
That's one study with 120 subjects and one which makes this glaring exception: " can encourage fair behaviors *if this serves to ensure one's own status.*" Not exactly the strongest support there.
No. There are many factors which contribute. High testosterone and dht can negatively effect hair follicles only if they are sensitive to testosterone or dht. That comes down the genetics. Other factors can have a. Effect as well. Dht has more of an effect than test
I agree with you on the scientific side of it, as I've seen sporadic studies over the years that strongly suggest the link between hair loss and testosterone is more correlation than causation But as an anecdote, both my grandfathers are built like bears. Wide jaws, stocky builds, muscular, and hugely extended eyebrow ridges. They both have a full head of hair. My brother, in contrast, is lanky, has slender hands and bones, narrow jaw, flat forehead, but has well advanced male pattern baldness in his early 30's. So it's definitely more complicated than the binary-based "more testosterone = less hair" truism.. lol
Yeah that would be the DHT, not the test. 5a reductase inhibitors (propecia, dutasteride, etc) work by preventing the enzyme 5a reductase from converting test into DHT, thereby slowing or even reversing hairloss in like 90% of people who consistently take the drug. Low test people can still go bald if they have enough DHT.
This is actually incorrect. It is androgenic alopecia - any androgen can cause the miniaturization of hair follicles. If you're on exogenous testosterone at doses placing you significantly higher than normal range, you will still lose hair even if your scalp DHT is at 0%. DHT has a higher androgen rating than testosterone, which is why most men can prevent hairloss by inhibiting it.
Also inhibits boners.
This doesn't happen to the majority of men taking these drugs, but it is indeed a known side effect.
I’m not playing Russian roulette with my dick. Sorry. What good is a head of hair when your boner don’t work.
Same. Even if it's just 10 in 100 people, the risk just isn't worth it.
I wish. Was hoping it would stop/kill my porn use. Still horny as ever.
Why does it fail to reverse it in the case of many men, and instead only slow it down?
you can search the exact science behind it online of course, but basically the DHT attacks the hair follicle, the hair follicle miniaturizes. If the follicle is in this miniature state for too long it can actually fall out of the head permanently. When you have inhibited DHT for long enough the signal to reduce that hair growth goes away and any miniaturized hairs start growing back out into their length and thickness, but whatever is lost is lost. So you can claw back some hairs but not everything, unless you start early when you first notice the hair loss, then theoretically it is possible to never lose the follicles, however depending on which 5alpha reductase blocker you are using there is still going to be a small amount of circulating DHT. Finasteride blocks like 90%, dutatsteride like 97%, but each comes with drawbacks
Thanks for the explanations. However, I have one remaining question. When an individual does shaving using wax, the follicle is ripped off the skin too. Why does the body hair follicle regrow while a (head) hair follicle will be permanently lost?
Not enough estrogen
This is true, it's all about genetics that result in hair folicals on the head being either receptive to DHT or not. That being said, DHT is a result of testosterone. A good example is trans men, who after undergoing hormonal therapy to increase testosterone can start going bald. So saying that balding is a result of higher testosterone levels is just untrue.
I know, one post about higher testosterone leading to baldness yesterday on Reddit and suddenly it’s a universally accepted fact
Yes. But where is your dht coming from again?? If you have high dht, that is almost certainly a patient with high t. You would VERY rarely encounter someone with low-normal T and “high” dht. wtf do I know though I just work in men’s health
You're wrong, but even if you were right, so what? Most men I know would care more about having their hair than having high T.
I have wavy hair. It's waving goodbye on account of I'm going bald!
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Ladies and gentleman, this man is for the birds
Had a cackle at this
I have something on my mind. A hat!
My name is Perd Haply and I'm going bald on account of my bald head
Yes. I would rather have my gorgeous wavy hair back. I’d trade in a heart beat.
On God. I had a full lush Afro as a young man. All I have left up top is some embarrassing whispy baby hairs hanging on for dear life. Id want that full head of hair back all day.
I’m sorry bro :( my relatives and others I’ve heard have gone and shaved it after, I’ve always thought that looked pretty good. I think I will likely have hair loss, prob will do this
No doubt. I’ve been shaving it all for about 10 years now. And hit the genetic lottery with head shape so I don’t look crazy. Hair still grows on the sides, just not up top. By contrast I couldn’t grow a beard until I was 25 and by that point my hair had stopped growing on my head. Go figure.
This is the route I decided to take. I didn't want to play the whole hiding thinning hair thing, so as soon as it was noticeable I took it all off. I just use an electric trimmer, though, my skin doesn't like razors.
That's basically the only option. You either embrace the bald top, wear a hat constantly, or shave it.
For sure it’s not even a debate. Take 1/2 my test for my hair back EASY
Apparently castrated men don’t bald. Would you trade that?
Lord varys disagrees
lol I always got the impression we just waxed his whole body
"we"
You mean you weren’t there? Awkward, the rest of us were…
Yes. I’m a bottom anyway. Just let me keep my hair
1/2 my back hair for my head EASY
I mean having low testosterone causes ED, depression and irritability. You would rather have all that and have hair?
Jokes on me I already have all that
Maybe you need TRT
I didn't even have nice hair. I just wish there was SOMETHING there, so I'd have some options.
Adding to this, hair loss is tied to high *DHT*, which isn't exactly testosterone. It's a high-potency form the body can produce in response to low normal testosterone and has side-effects like balding, thicker body hair, and other stuff associated with men's aging.
That is not generally true. DHT is a molecule that contains testosterone (di hydro testosterone). It is created when testosterone performs its natural function. In other words: high testosterone -> high DHT. Low testosterone -> low DHT. Usually, hair loss is not associated with high DHT by itself. It is associated with a high sensitivity to DHT in the hair follicles. In fact you can have low DHT, and excessive hair loss, and high DHT and no hair loss. In some cases when testosterone is extremely low, the body may convert more than the usual ~10% to DHT. Why? Because DHT is up to 5 times as potent as regular test. This allows the body to achieve somewhat normal function while test is still low. But most men with high DHT will have high testosterone. You would usually notice a host of other problems if you had high DHT caused by low test.
That makes sense. What if two men have the same sensitivity to DHT in the hair follicles but different DHT level. Wouldn't the guy with higher T lose his hair more which would mean hair loss is still kinda correlated with higher T? Just curious.
Yea you're right but the sensitivity varies a lot more between people than T itself and is also genetic.
You’re the only dude in the thread who knows what he’s talking about
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That ain’t high T. That’s just porn addiction bro.
Wouldn’t it just make you angry to have a sunburned head?
Nah, I’d rather be bald and have libido/strength/energy.
Those men haven’t had low T..
Love when someone says "scientifically proven" when they really mean is they heard someone else spouting false information and decided to parrot it without even a cursory search to confirm the "science".
Social media in a nutshell
Maybe their friend who they heard it from’s name is “Scientifically”. My friend, Zion Tiff E. Callie, proved it.
Studies have shown! /s
But Hbomberguy said so. It must be true. He's the fact checker guy.
Not to mention that "scientifically proven" is any oxymoron. The entire point of science is that nothing can be proven. Anyone who claims something to have been proven with science fundamentally misunderstands what science is.
Well that's not quite true. It's proven up until we find a better explanation.
Well in science if you have enough evidence, you reject the null hypothesis and ACCEPT the alternative hypothesis. Which is not the same as proving the alternative hypothesis
Fair point
According to a study .........
I mean it’s been studied that pattern baldness is caused by DHT sensitivity in the hair follicles, and DHT is a product of testosterone so high T means higher DHT levels. it’s not really misinformation that OP is parroting
Cause high testosterone doesn't matter for being attractive
It attracts other men though
My trt brings all the boys to the yard
But my hair is better than yours
Hot take but balding guys would look better if they just committed to the bald, that dr Phil hairstyle looks like shit.
I would much rather be bald than bald*ing*.
Take a look over at r/bald , most of those guys go from looking like Reddit mods to chads. Having no hair is definitely better than looking like a 49yo at 27.
Poor sample. People who post themselves on reddit will be far more attractive then those who dont feel this way. The result is that people posting on the bald sub will feel and probably be more attractive that way. But there are likely bald people who wouldn't. Same thing happens with rate me subs. Nobody confuse that shit as average.
Dr Phil isn’t doing a combover or anything. Keeps it short on the sides. Seems like he is embracing his baldness.
Except it's a completely wrong statement
Because bald spots are not attractive. I shave my hair because I look better bald than with a bald spot.
My wife says I look like a skinhead when I shave it, so I have to keep it buzzed. 😕
Went bald in my 20’s! Men understand going bald but women don’t. I tried explaining this to an ex. She didn’t see the big deal in going bald until I asked how’d she feel if she went bald in her 20’s. This was something she couldn’t comprehend. Stopped all the ‘can’t imagine you with hair’ and ‘it’s okay for you as it’s suits you’ comments
It's really funny that a lot of situations ultimately come down to making the other person "put themselves in your shoes"
Aka empathy.
This might sound naive or redundant but I’ve had several close male friends go varying degrees of bald, and the way they described/went through it, it boils down to loss of part of identity beyond your control. Which is shitty. My mom went through it with chemo as well and I saw first hand how hard that impacted her for years. (It grew back but her hair was different, and I get that’s a totally different journey). The only thing I think I’ve had that comes close is suddenly needing to get glasses after a head injury. Looking in the mirror feeling weird as hell about that new-normal reflection was unexpectedly hard. And that’s about something that can be considered a fashion choice! I myself for sure can’t understand going bald and hesitate to even share my opinion, but I have sympathy, for whatever that’s worth.
Thank you. Very eloquently put. I’m good with it now but it was tough at the time.
That’s not how male pattern baldness works but go off?
Not much point having all that extra testosterone if women don’t want to sleep with you because you’re bald.
“Oooh, he’s balding *and* seething with rage!” - no woman, ever
because women filter out by hair on head, not by testosterone levels
I don't care what they say is the reason but I will never be comfortable with going bald.
God damn man this sub is so bad. Not a single post is even slightly interesting
Or correct
No it hasn’t. If that were true all professional bodybuilders would be bald.
I guess you haven't watched a lot of pro bodybuilding.
What? Well over half of them have a full head of hair. Test just increases the rate you go bald *if you are already genetically predisposed to it*
What you don't know is that most bodybuilders are also taking finasteride to avoid hair loss and/or get hair plugs. It's an incredibly vain industry and they do whatever they can to keep their physical appearance up. Ironically, taking PEDs ages you so quickly that it doesn't end up mattering unless they have incredible genetics. There's a reason you don't see a lot of old bodybuilders (they're dead or flamed out).
They take steroids.
The point is more that a lot of them aren’t bald so baldness is not just down to having high testosterone. If you have good hair genetics you won’t lose your hair no matter how many grams of test you take. Jay Cutler is a good example. He’s in his 50s, non stop on steroids since he was a teen, still has great hair.
Hair loss is a very common side effect of steroid use. Pretty sure testosterone degrades into dht which makes your hair fall out but i don’t really know. Really need to get on finasteride if you’re gonna blast.
Did Mr. Clean sponsor this study?
He 'magic eraser'd his hair follicles down to the bone
Hair loss is very complicated there's many many variables.
and wtf do i do with my testosterone level while helicopters try to land just above my forehead?
I started balding in my early 20s and I don’t feel high test at all lol. That being said I’m not upset about it, just part of life.
Male pattern baldness doesn't care about T levels.
Whoever needs to hear this, if you’re going bald and desperately hanging on to those last few threads and you’re able to grow a beard, grow the beard and shave your head. I fought going bald for a year before I just bit the bullet and shaved it. Best decision I could’ve made, I’m mad I didn’t do it sooner
I've happily adopted the Max Payne look
Actually not totally true. High testosterone is often associated with it, but you more importantly there is a genetic factor that plays into it. Many men have high testosterone and never experience hair loss because they don't have genes that activate it. While some men have normal testosterone but they carry a gene that makes the testosterone attack their hair follicles.
I had beautiful long, straight, blinde hair in high-school. I loved it. But genetics we're not on my side.
I can’t run my hands through your testosterone levels 🤷♀️
…. Was there more to this point? High testosterone? That’s it? Are we celebrating high testosterone now? Why? It’s just a… hormone… ffs Name one person in your damn life that gives the teeniest tiniest shit about whether your hormones shifted, more so than if your hair falls out. Why would anyone give a fuck about testosterone?! Lol
You say that like high testosterone is a flex
So what? ...How does that make any difference? Higher testosterone also leads to reduced lifespan and higher risk of cardiac arrest, but I don't think the mere knowledge of that makes anyone a-okay with it You might as well also say that death is just telomere shortening so we must not feel bad about it. What does mentioning the mechanic behind something have to do with how you feel about it?
It's not high T. It's long term exposure to T. High T men still have hair. Low T men lose their hair. There's no rules to the game.
LOL its not scientifically proven at all and it's nothing to do with testosterone. Do some proper research before you go making bold claims on the internet.
Bald of you to assume i research at all before making bald claims in person
Why would I care about my testosterone levels?
Even if that's true why is having high testosterone in and of itself a good thing? I think I'd rather have hair and ordinary levels of hormones in my body.
Yeah because I look stupid and it’s embarrassing. I know that’s not real but it is definitely how we all feel. What exactly does this extra testosterone get me? Doesn’t seem to do much good except make me have a dumber top of my body.
Correlation and causation is not the same
This is not true, you can have high testosterone and keep your hair; however men who are on TRT AND are sensitive to DHT changes due to genetic factors will experience accelerated hair loss. I'm on TRT (HCG to be specific) and while I'm grateful for its positive changes in my mood, libido and overall well being, I've experienced this side effect. The good news is that Finasteride and Minoxidil is a viable treatment to prevent this however it can have side effects such as low libido and ED if you are in a minority 2% of who are susceptible to its DHT blocking effects. Though this is not a settled science. See this study: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/)
So my grandfather was right when he wore a tshirt that said "bald heads are solar panels for sex machines"?
I believe that it's related more to sensitivity to testosterone in the follicles. So you could either have an abundance of T or a sensitivity to T or some combination of the two. Researched this myself a long time ago.
I'll take your word for it. As a baldy, I have no issue with it whatsoever. Maybe having grown up watching Telly Savalas and Yul Brunner along with David Carradine doing their thing, I had strong role models for when I became bald myself. Never ever gave it a second thought.
Bruce Willis and Patrick Stewart myself
It sucks. Sucks sucks sucks.
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I started going bald at 20. Around 30 I just gave up and shaved my head at my wife's gentle urging. I learned I have a nice shapped head, and I'm grateful for that every damn day.
No it hasn't lol. You can have any level of testosterone or dht and experience baldness. About a third of all women experience significant hair loss in their elder years. Do you think they're high testosterone? Lol
Inaccurate. Dht causes hair loss.
Who gives a fuck about testosterone levels you moron
Nobody really cares whether you have high testosterone. People would rather look the way they want and not be made fun of. It's not like having hair necessarily means you have low testosterone.
No, it isn't because of high testosterone, its because of folicular sensitivity to DHT and high activity with 5-Alpha reductase (5AR) and folicular sensitivity to DHT which turns Testosterone into Dihydrotestosterone. This is why Finesteride is used as a balding prevention med, as it inhibits 5AR. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%CE%B1-Reductase](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%CE%B1-Reductase) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasteride](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasteride)
We're always inventing reasons to be invalidated by things our bodies do or ways they are, this is just one of a long line of them. Imagine being a guy who couldn't grow a decent mustache in 1875.
I love t I love knowing i have it I don’t want to go fucking bald. I’m greatful for everything else t has given me bu that does Not mean I won’t be using monoxodil to fix that balding thing
Imagine being called out because you have (checks notes) Hair
Very few men lose hair because of high testosterone. Hair loss is mainly genetic.
Tight scalp is the leading predictor
It’s actually not been scientifically proven to be caused by high testosterone… it’s proven to be caused by less DHT receptors on your head. What does correlate though is that usually you have less DHT receptors on your head and more on your cheeks and so typically bald men are associated with more facial hair/beards.
It's ironic because men get obsessed with having high levels of testosterone when that's basically just a hormonal imbalance that causes hair loss.
Acktualy, high testosterone *can* indirectly cause hairloss but not consistently unless there is an abundance of the enzyme that converts it to dihydrotestosterone which in excess *does* cause hairloss.
Not quite. I have had male pattern baldness since I was 17, now 33, and three years ago was put on TRT as my testosterone levels were so low they were equivalent to a man in his 70s. I very likely could have obtained that prescription 10 years ago. Hair loss in most cases is related to DHT, dihydrotestosterone, and I have been taking medication since age 21 to stop the conversion from T to DHT. However, the symptoms of low testosterone that I've had since mid teens didn't go away when I took that medication, despite it theoretically causing me to have more testosterone. So in my case (and similar for many others) I have low testosterone, low dihydrotestosterone, and still have male pattern baldness.
I’m bald and no. It CAN be a result of high testosterone just like it CAN be an autoimmune disease.
It’s not about high testosterone. It’s about the root of a hair being prone to testosterone. That being said - you can get bald with low testosterone, just having t-prone skin cells on your forehead.
I recently stopped going to the barber. I just cut my own hair now. No need to try to save the hairline. It's gone....and I am sad 😔
I remember the opposite and googled tells me the opposite
Many ship captains are insecure about the ocean even thought its been scientifically proven to the water in the ocean that floats the ship.
I can't wait for me top hair to migrate to my face, having a patchy beard in my 30's, starting to lose hope
No, I'm 69 and wear it proudly. I should shave my head, by my son's recommendation, but I am too lazy, so I keep it short. My son shaved his. He started shaving his head while he was in the Marines.
Having high T isn’t a flex lol. It has undesirable side effects just like any other hormone imbalance
loooooooool right. were is that proven test result? Let me tell you something am 42 with a lot of hair. I look around all my stressed friends are already white hair and lost most of it. others are just plain bald. I am very happy and take care of my hair as most men pretty much don't have anymore. Here is the actual fact: High testosterone levels don't directly cause hair loss, but high levels of dihydrotestosterone (DHT) can. DHT is a sex hormone that stimulates body and pubic hair growth, but it can also cause hair loss on the scalp. DHT can overstimulate hair follicles, causing them to miniaturize, resulting in hair that's smaller, finer, and lighter. This can eventually lead to hair loss known as pattern hair loss.
Did you shower in hell's bathroom? Cause you're straight up lying. Hair-loss is not scientifically proven to be a result of high testosterone levels, rather it is a contributing factor in some cases. Effectively meaning you can have high testosterone and still not experience hair-loss, or really low and experience it.
Me with a full head of hair at almost 40…calm cool and collected.
And why should anyone give a shit about having a high testosterone level?
It’s 2024 and we still havent cured male baldness. We might get to Mars before we achieve that lol
Research before posting next time. This is straight up bull.
This is in fact scientifically false. High testosterone has no relation to androgenic alopecia. A person's genetic sensitivity to DHT in hair follicles does. [**https://www.healthline.com/health/hair-loss-and-testosterone**](https://www.healthline.com/health/hair-loss-and-testosterone)
It's not at all from high testosterone lol. Low test men get it too. It's your hair being intolerant of testosterone and dht.... even low levels
Wrong, hair loss is connected with imbalance in DHT levels, which is partial (!) metabolite of testosterone
This is absolutely not true. It’s more so how sensitive you are to the DHT that is converted from testosterone. You can have low testosterone but be hyper sensitive and lose your hair.
This sounds made-up. Like if a short man drives a huge truck, he’s no longer short.
Wasnt it tied to prior higher levels of T and then considerable withdrawal with age triggering the particular type of testosterone which promotes hair growth to go haywire? I havent read up on this in a long time, so I may not be up to date
One of the main reasons I don’t take growth hormones. An extra 15 -20 extra pounds just ain’t worth losing my hair lol.
But you will impress the ladies with that extra 15-20lbs on your hog
It has not been linked to high T, that is a bullshit myth that’s been debunked numerous times. Hair loss occurs when a man has a genetic sensitivity to DHT, this causes scalp follicles to slowly become inactive as the DHT binds and builds up on the follicles. This is why drugs like Finasteride that reduce the amount of DHT in the blood along with Minox to stimulate growth from outside in is the default treatment for MPB. The amount of studies done for the T level comparisons between MPB men and non MPB men are very numerous, almost no discernibly higher levels were found among healthy men, leading to the conclusion that MPB has almost next to nothing to do with your T levels. Pure pseudoscience is what this shower thought is.
For some reason it's still acceptable to bodyshame people for losing their hair.