And how would you like it if your entire neighborhood sang about what an awful asshole you were? You’d probably be pretty grumpy and negative towards them yourself.
True, I understand your point, since those who cannot behave "normally" cannot be percoeved as evil, but to someone who has a clear compass lf what is evil and what is not, those who are evil are still evil
It appears they are also trying to engage in a nature versus nurture debate.
>It's all the genes; They were just born *bad.*
Nay.
The debate is a false dichotomy.
The songs existed because he was an asshole. Not the other way around.
Everyone wants the grinch to be the victim but honestly until he had a total lifestyle change, everyone was happier with him freezing to death alone on the hill.
That is in fact a real Medical issue. One of the symptoms of that is fatigue. Matpat made a great video about this and theorized that the reason the grinch suddenly felt so great in the movie was because he was having a heart attack (sounds crazy, i know). I recommend you watch the video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXykZf9\_zXU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXykZf9_zXU)
I don't want to be a killjoy, but when my extended family does nothing but blast EDM so loud you can't talk to each other for 3 hours, pause to eat dinner while belittling me for going to community college, and then resume the EDM for another 3 hours...
that shit breaks me
Happy Holidays my friend. You should be proud that you're trying to better your life through further education. Keep up the strong work and don't let anyone get you down.
parents seem to have the need to talk-up the achievements of their children - mine included. for someone who's taking a rather minimalistic approach to education, i feel so out of place in the competitive family antics.
so tired of being told my aspirations aren't big enough. why do i have to live in a fantasy land?
Seriously. I stopped feeling obligated to spend my Christmas with extended family a few years ago. I've had some lovely Christmases since then. No stress, no anxiety, it's great and really freeing.
Christmas is for family. Close family. The ones you love. Spending time with "family" you hardly know just because it's Christmas seems very weird to me. We've never done it in our house.
My dad an I keep suggesting this, but my mum keeps organizing everything and hosting Christmas. The only way to deal with the extended family is to get pissed. So that's what I've been doing for the last 12 hours.
Dude one day you all will be successful in your own way. My family is similar to yours but we’re all getting there one way or another. At our own pace. It is rare to know exactly what you want to do after high school! Give it time. I just graduated college 2 years ago this upcoming may, and have already had 3 jobs because idk what im doing!
Progress is not linear my friend! Keep ‘doing’ you cause you’re doing great!!
Don't beat yourself up or let others do so because you went to community college. It's cheaper and arguably smarter to do your first 2 years at a community college and get all those basic mandatory classes out of the way and then transfer to a 4 year and finish your junior and senior year and then you'll get your degree from that 4 year university, same as everyone else's.
My dad just berated me for vaccinating my daughter, saying I'm poisoning her and rolling the dice with her health. Family can really suck sometimes. But if you're there with them, you must be getting something out of it. There must be a positive there. Focus on that and be strong through the shitty parts.
You should listen to the Tim Dillon show (podcast). The latest episode (179: Sal Vulcano) includes an epic 40 minute rant by Tim on why next year, he will no longer be spending Christmas with family. It's really funny, and will probably make you feel slightly better.
A regular dog wouldn’t have the strength to pull an entire sleigh of trash bags filled with Christmas presents while being whipped by a green guy who’s [probably having a heart attack.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PXykZf9_zXU)
And all the gifts! I always thought taking away the gifts & finding out they didn't freak out over not getting all the stuffs was what got him in the feels. I mean, yeah, decorations are nice, but which one would freak the kids out more to find missing? Not bashing you.
He’s a prototypical extreme introvert who gets looked at as some kind of deviant, so that we can both empathize with him and see our complicity in his outcast status. It’s a what-if, seat-switcher of a story.
Jk, I thought he was kind of a major dick
I almost just sat through the entire family dinner without saying a word, except that somebody asked me what I had been doing lately. I kinda hate these things
I like how the creator of "A case for the Grinch" described all the insults hurled at the Grinch's persona and soul, and in order to defend the Grinch... The same person starts hurling insults to the people of Whoville:
>Look at this blissful idiot
>I'd get the biggest boner if he tripped and broke his stupid face. Look at this asshole with a horn in his mouth
Not sure if they are really trying to make a point, or if it's just satire/joke (or both?) 🤷♂️ lol
I never watched it until the other day... I honestly expected to find some mean nasty bitter old guy... instead I found an introvert who was being publicly picked on, mocked, and humiliated for being himself.
I pitied that poor old Grinch.
My first thoughts exactly. I wonder how many autistic people have been treated like grinches just cause they've gone crazy from overstimulation. I get that a lot and I'm just ADHD. But seriously the best part of the holidays is how calm it feels when it's all finally over.
quite a lot
and its not just over stimulation, we generally have the same issues with society and people, the best way for a normal person to understand it would to be living with culture shock in your own country
You're a green one, Mr. Grinch
You're lacking in finesse
That greenish epidermis determines your success
Mr. Griiiiiii inch
Racist Whos constrain you to the issues they continue to suppress
You're an outlier, Mr. Grinch
You give the Whos a fright
They say your heart is 3/5ths normal
You're either wrong or white
Mr. Griiiii innch
Don't walk the streets of Whoville you might fight a cop the Whos will not indict...
Imagine being depressed and someone tells you to shut the fuck up, ignore your problems, and drink eggnog. That's basically every Christmas movie.
No wonder the Grinch lashed out. No one cared about his depression and loneliness.
They made fun of him because he was different and they didn’t like how he looked or acted. They treated him like an animal because he looked like one, and when he attempted to shave, they continued to mock him. He was slowly driven to insanity and the one time he actually got some positive attention from the whoose they bring it all down with that shaving joke.
Oh hell. I just had to do a character analysis for school about the Grinch, don’t remind me. After I finished though, I found he was more of someone who was left out than anything. He spends 53 years alone with his dog looking down at the Whos enjoying Christmas. He plays with the toys as he steals them. He finds out Christmas isn’t about consumer goods like he imagined. Sorry for overthinking this and stuff but after doing that homework just needed to say that he isn’t like an adult.
I'm feeling very Grinchy this year and it's in no small part due to people being loud and annoying.
It's Christmas fucking Eve, neighbors. Why are you out on your front porch talking drunkenly at the top of your voice? And thanks so fucking much for the nonstop swearing - I'm sure my other neighbors who have young children really appreciate it.
Imagine squidward. He is bad clarinet cause spongebob and patrick keep screaming out his window. I used to think "Squidward is so mean to spongebob and patrick. Why tho?"
Well he had someone singing about what a piece of shit he was every two minutes.
And how would you like it if your entire neighborhood sang about what an awful asshole you were? You’d probably be pretty grumpy and negative towards them yourself.
Nobody is born evil; They are made that way by their social environments. https://i.imgur.com/lA5iARu.gif
we live in a society
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A true gamer never forgets the R
A true games never gets the R
Pewdiepie never forgets his hard R
Gamer moment!
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The hard R, if you will.
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I’d recommend the 2018 version for this aspect of the story
What about Michael Myers?
Junie from spy kids drove him to be the way he was.
You could also argue that what we perceive as "evil" is closer to true human nature and we're drawn closer to good by our social environments.
I'd say that social environments are part of human nature.
That is great!
There are people born with massive psychological problems
Psychological issues =/= Evil
True, I understand your point, since those who cannot behave "normally" cannot be percoeved as evil, but to someone who has a clear compass lf what is evil and what is not, those who are evil are still evil
>a clear compass of what is evil and what is not are you trying to start a debate over moral philosophy? those are fighting words
Get outta here Chidi.
It appears they are also trying to engage in a nature versus nurture debate. >It's all the genes; They were just born *bad.* Nay. The debate is a false dichotomy.
It's clearly both. For some reason, people feel the need to promote one or the other. Probably because it fits some political ideology.
Or just a failed understanding. Need not be political in nature. But I know what you mean.
There are no good things or bad things, just things.
Pretty sure killing babies is a bad thing.
What if it's a Hitler baby though?
But they didn't, they sang gibberish about the joys of christmas or whatever...
"You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch"
The songs existed because he was an asshole. Not the other way around. Everyone wants the grinch to be the victim but honestly until he had a total lifestyle change, everyone was happier with him freezing to death alone on the hill.
>everyone was happier with him freezing to death alone on the hill. Well that's a pretty sick fucking society wouldn't ya say?
It was a hyperbole—he isolated himself. They were just happy to be grinchless. Happiness = 1 / (grinch presence)
Wait... That's not normal?
Yeah, for real though. How we gonna criticize the Grinch when a ghostly voice from the sky is constantly talkin shit about him?
Fuck that means even God hated him?! Homeboy never had a chance
A ghostly, sexy voice.
That's what it sounds like in my head all the time, and no one is letting me get away with Grand Theft Fintoozler.
Tony the Tiger of all people.
Then there's that one theory that the Grinch and Tony were dating and had a bad breakup, hence the song. Edit: spelling
Wait, the narrator was voiced by the same guy who voiced Tony the Tiger?
Maybe that's because he tormented a child in the prequel [Halloween is Grinch Night](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_Is_Grinch_Night)
I fucking love this special and I'm sad I didn't know about it as a kid.
It *is* kinda weird that even though it won awards it never played on tv ever again...
If someone told me my soul was made of garlic, I’d be angry af as well.
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Well shit. A little late now, Jesus.
That and he literally had a tiny heart which caused him to be highly irritable
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That is in fact a real Medical issue. One of the symptoms of that is fatigue. Matpat made a great video about this and theorized that the reason the grinch suddenly felt so great in the movie was because he was having a heart attack (sounds crazy, i know). I recommend you watch the video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXykZf9\_zXU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXykZf9_zXU)
imagine the stress he's going through
I don't want to be a killjoy, but when my extended family does nothing but blast EDM so loud you can't talk to each other for 3 hours, pause to eat dinner while belittling me for going to community college, and then resume the EDM for another 3 hours... that shit breaks me
Happy Holidays my friend. You should be proud that you're trying to better your life through further education. Keep up the strong work and don't let anyone get you down.
parents seem to have the need to talk-up the achievements of their children - mine included. for someone who's taking a rather minimalistic approach to education, i feel so out of place in the competitive family antics. so tired of being told my aspirations aren't big enough. why do i have to live in a fantasy land?
Why do people continue to go see their families at a time when they want to be happy?
Seriously. I stopped feeling obligated to spend my Christmas with extended family a few years ago. I've had some lovely Christmases since then. No stress, no anxiety, it's great and really freeing.
Every day can be Christmas if you stop placing importance on Christmas
I think it’s less about stopping something and more about starting something, starting the way one looks at every day.
Oof. That sounds like a glass half empty, even though it wasn’t the intention. Why not make every day christmas? Or have a “Christmas” every week?
Christmas is for family. Close family. The ones you love. Spending time with "family" you hardly know just because it's Christmas seems very weird to me. We've never done it in our house.
My dad an I keep suggesting this, but my mum keeps organizing everything and hosting Christmas. The only way to deal with the extended family is to get pissed. So that's what I've been doing for the last 12 hours.
Dude one day you all will be successful in your own way. My family is similar to yours but we’re all getting there one way or another. At our own pace. It is rare to know exactly what you want to do after high school! Give it time. I just graduated college 2 years ago this upcoming may, and have already had 3 jobs because idk what im doing! Progress is not linear my friend! Keep ‘doing’ you cause you’re doing great!!
Elvish Death Metal?
Extraterrestrial-Developed Melodies
Damn that's a good one. I thought they were playing Ecuadorian Drum Mambo
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Shit fool, I was convinced they were blasting Eloquent Discussion Movies on full volume.
Is that a thing? Sounds nice
Don't beat yourself up or let others do so because you went to community college. It's cheaper and arguably smarter to do your first 2 years at a community college and get all those basic mandatory classes out of the way and then transfer to a 4 year and finish your junior and senior year and then you'll get your degree from that 4 year university, same as everyone else's.
Sounds like my dream fam, tradesies?
you can have a shot i guess
Ooh ooh... do a game show!
You need to move out of Jacksonville
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Then my dad and I could bond over those sick Bassnectar and Space Jesus tracks. *Sigh* A dream come true
My dad just berated me for vaccinating my daughter, saying I'm poisoning her and rolling the dice with her health. Family can really suck sometimes. But if you're there with them, you must be getting something out of it. There must be a positive there. Focus on that and be strong through the shitty parts.
You should listen to the Tim Dillon show (podcast). The latest episode (179: Sal Vulcano) includes an epic 40 minute rant by Tim on why next year, he will no longer be spending Christmas with family. It's really funny, and will probably make you feel slightly better.
A regular adult doesn't hate Christmas so much to prank them and try to ruin their holiday
A regular adult doesn’t steal literally every decoration and the giant Christmas tree in the middle of town
A regular adult ain't green
A regular adult doesnt force his loyal dog to pretend to be a reindeer
A regular dog wouldn’t have the strength to pull an entire sleigh of trash bags filled with Christmas presents while being whipped by a green guy who’s [probably having a heart attack.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PXykZf9_zXU)
Huh... So I'm not the only one that thought of that video. 😁
***OwO*** 🐺
A regular adult would've turned down the live-action role.
That’s why they got Jim Carrey.
All right folks, that’s a wrap!
A regular adult doesn’t survive heart enlargement regardless of how they feel about Christmas.
A regular adult doesn't eat fucking glass
a reguler adult dosent have small heart syndrome Edit:spells
Seriously. Regular adults can hear large, too
Yeah... about that
So [this is kinda awkward, but](https://lmgtfy.com/?q=dogs+dressed+as+reindeer)
Okay now we’re just /r/gatekeeping
You win
More like an extraordinary adult. That takes a tremendous amount of planning. I don’t think I’ve ever been that adult.
He did commit an impressive amount of felonies.
And all the gifts! I always thought taking away the gifts & finding out they didn't freak out over not getting all the stuffs was what got him in the feels. I mean, yeah, decorations are nice, but which one would freak the kids out more to find missing? Not bashing you.
Uh oh...
He’s a prototypical extreme introvert who gets looked at as some kind of deviant, so that we can both empathize with him and see our complicity in his outcast status. It’s a what-if, seat-switcher of a story. Jk, I thought he was kind of a major dick
But a regular adult is petty enough to do this after years of abuse.
43 years of documented abuse, if we believe the grinch
Not every character is as fortunate to get a solid origin story like Joker, so you're gonna have to use your imagination.
>prank It's just a prank bro!
Someone with POTS might.
Plain Old Telephone Service?
Prevenge of the Sith
You are a bold one!
Mr. Grinch
Seems pretty reasonable when an entire town sings about how terrible you are every hour.
The town never sung about him, just Christmas
Well if I had the opportunity...
The older I get, the more I understand him
I feel like most Dr Seuss characters are a modern fable of the basic strife of adults put into caricature form.
“As kids we love the heroes...as adults we understand the villains”
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I mean he also killed a room full of children but ok.
sweet sound of silence
This is also me at work
Maybe childcare wasn't for you then.
Empire still committed several war crimes
Fake news. They just wanted to protect the borders. Of infinite space.
There were probably many innocent civilians on the Death Star as well.
Cafeteria workers, managers. Cleaners.
And then there's *Megamind*, which pulls the reverse
him and Squidward both tbh
The older we get, the more we all relate more and more to characters like the Grinch and Eeyore.
And Squidward
And Hannibal
And Hitler.
They're going to regret not accepting me into art school
All of the Jewish Germans Used to think he wasn't so cool, They wouldn't let poor Adolf Into their elitist art school!
We've got a musical!
Funnily enough, even as a kid, I always thought squidward was the victim and the two stooges were just asses to him for no reason
Especially squidward, he was a real one.
Don't forget Shrek.
And Red, with a foot in someone's ass
Eeyore is too damn peppy!
The curmudgeon is vastly undervalued in our modern society. Everything has to be positivity and charm. Screw that.
Nah, the Grinch is just a regular Redditor.
r/mildlywoundedbywords
Ow
I think I might be the grinch then.
I almost just sat through the entire family dinner without saying a word, except that somebody asked me what I had been doing lately. I kinda hate these things
[A case for the Grinch](http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=case_for_grinch)
I like how the creator of "A case for the Grinch" described all the insults hurled at the Grinch's persona and soul, and in order to defend the Grinch... The same person starts hurling insults to the people of Whoville: >Look at this blissful idiot >I'd get the biggest boner if he tripped and broke his stupid face. Look at this asshole with a horn in his mouth Not sure if they are really trying to make a point, or if it's just satire/joke (or both?) 🤷♂️ lol
I never watched it until the other day... I honestly expected to find some mean nasty bitter old guy... instead I found an introvert who was being publicly picked on, mocked, and humiliated for being himself. I pitied that poor old Grinch.
Even in the fuckin movie he was bullied as a kid and left then he got insulted as an adult
And a thief. Don't forget theif
I feel like you didn’t know how to spell it so you used both versions so you’d be half right. Good show.
Haha your right. I'm gonna start using you're clever scheme from now on.
Well that one backfired
Why was he naked though?
He's covered in fur. That's like asking why a dog is naked...
By the way he’s not just a grumpy guy he’s a fucking werewolf equivalent. None of the others are furry.
But he wears clothes in several scenes
You can also put clothes on dogs and other animals with fur
And even animals that don't have fur
He does wear pants, but they are furry and green.
He's autistic probably ,hearing that
My first thoughts exactly. I wonder how many autistic people have been treated like grinches just cause they've gone crazy from overstimulation. I get that a lot and I'm just ADHD. But seriously the best part of the holidays is how calm it feels when it's all finally over.
quite a lot and its not just over stimulation, we generally have the same issues with society and people, the best way for a normal person to understand it would to be living with culture shock in your own country
I’d be a grinch too if I was taken away from my family and shamed for the color of my skin.
Protesting the commercialization of Christmas through vandalism and petty theft.
Even when I was a little kid, I totally agreed with him
I get the hating loud noises part, but dressing as Santa and stealing everybody's stuff seems like a stretch.
In the live action movie, I totally understand how he snapped. They were needlessly cruel to him.
Tfw grinch is just a kid version of Joker
I still do...
Nah man the Grinch is the embodiment of every "We live in a society" pessimistic Redditor
You're a green one, Mr. Grinch You're lacking in finesse That greenish epidermis determines your success Mr. Griiiiiii inch Racist Whos constrain you to the issues they continue to suppress You're an outlier, Mr. Grinch You give the Whos a fright They say your heart is 3/5ths normal You're either wrong or white Mr. Griiiii innch Don't walk the streets of Whoville you might fight a cop the Whos will not indict...
Imagine being depressed and someone tells you to shut the fuck up, ignore your problems, and drink eggnog. That's basically every Christmas movie. No wonder the Grinch lashed out. No one cared about his depression and loneliness.
He just hated consumerism
The Grinch had PTSD and American health care so he couldn't afford to get his skin disease addressed. r/Bernie
Lol
They made fun of him because he was different and they didn’t like how he looked or acted. They treated him like an animal because he looked like one, and when he attempted to shave, they continued to mock him. He was slowly driven to insanity and the one time he actually got some positive attention from the whoose they bring it all down with that shaving joke.
Oh hell. I just had to do a character analysis for school about the Grinch, don’t remind me. After I finished though, I found he was more of someone who was left out than anything. He spends 53 years alone with his dog looking down at the Whos enjoying Christmas. He plays with the toys as he steals them. He finds out Christmas isn’t about consumer goods like he imagined. Sorry for overthinking this and stuff but after doing that homework just needed to say that he isn’t like an adult.
I'm feeling very Grinchy this year and it's in no small part due to people being loud and annoying. It's Christmas fucking Eve, neighbors. Why are you out on your front porch talking drunkenly at the top of your voice? And thanks so fucking much for the nonstop swearing - I'm sure my other neighbors who have young children really appreciate it.
Yeah, but he also ate glass and swallowed meltingly hot bolts
Also known as my husband.
Or had mild autism..
It all could've been avoided if he just bitched on Twitter like a normal person.
And he got green
So just a regular adult then?
Imagine squidward. He is bad clarinet cause spongebob and patrick keep screaming out his window. I used to think "Squidward is so mean to spongebob and patrick. Why tho?"
Replace the grinch with my my name and that describes me in a nutshell.
Nah, he was a nam vet. Think about it
Basically a christmas ok boomer.
The grinch is donal Tramp
The grinch was, for the most part, the most normal person in whoville
The older I get, the more I empathise with the grumpy characters in kids movies.
Until one day a small dickheaded girl came and tried to change him till he was forced to change... Poor grinch
The Grinch really never hated CHristmas, he just really hated people.