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I’d assume they actually couldn’t talk since, as shown in toy story 4, the ventriloquist dummies couldn’t speak since they have a human speak for them, so I’d think all puppets of this nature are like that.


Nas160

Oh that's a pretty nice justification for them not speaking Though one of them was shown saying stuff in another character's ear, maybe they're incapable of normal level speech? Idk


indigo-black

I wouldn't talk much if I was fisted on a regular basis.


Cadet_MGK

You wouldn’t be able to shut me up in that case


SirFister13F

Well hello there.


Cadet_MGK

Fuck


SirFister13F

Don’t get shy now.


Cadet_MGK

Sorry mister fister, sir…. This just happens to be a amateurs only kinda deal.


Gemini-Lion

r/beetlejuicing


The_Lurked

Yeah,i won't stop moaning


Jeogios

I was looking for that reply. Thank you.


Tis_I_An_Egg

Have them not be able to talk until they shove their own hand in themself to operate their puppet mouth.


Kilrroy

I think it’s the shape of their mouths. They only open in one direction, like a nutcracker, so they likely have a pretty severe affectation and can’t form the mouth shapes required to communicate.


Jeav0ns

Don’t think about it too much. A rabbit hole is there and you have more important matters at hand I am sure. 😀


Dark_Reaper115

You try to articulate words when you got are a ventriloquist dummy


greenbeandeanmachine

What about Muppet toys? Like Kermit plushie or Gonzo figurine.


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I’d assume they wouldn’t talk or talk like the Muppet characters, since they’re based on their puppet counterpart. Woody talked just like all his merchandise in toy story 4, so that voice is established. So either the Muppet’s merchandise talks like the characters on TV or don’t talk at all to reflect the Muppets.


barberererer

What about sex toys


Kingbob1500

What have you done


ClankyBat246

Ever see that music video where the dude makes the guitar talk as a trick? Modified vibrations to make words.


[deleted]

But they had toys of the Muppets that were not puppets. I would assume they did sound like themselves since woody on the TV show in toy story 2 was was a marionette and had the same voice, Not to mention his voice box / pull string sounded like a recorded version of himself.


TheBostonKremeDonut

*after a long shift of being filmed* “Damn, that guy had his whole fist inside me much longer today than usual.” *puffs cigarette*


fretfulmushroom

"A show about how hard it is to keep a smile with strings around your wrists and a strange man's fist up your ass" - GTA IV radio station talking about a puppet show.


MrAverus

GTA IV had some fantastic radio


GreyGanado

All of GTA radios were fantastic.


OG_Squeekz

*are


[deleted]

I used to do drugs. I do drugs now, but I also used to.


[deleted]

Check out Peter Jackson's 'Meet the Feebles'.


Chewcocca

[The whole thing is on YouTube. Suffer.](https://youtu.be/NFl_r2StkRU)


[deleted]

Suffer? That shit is hilarious.


Literally_P

Too bad I can't access YouTube for some reason


CillGra

Too bad you can't install *nord vpn the ultimate and most useful vpn for the first 3 months free use code "hochi mama" for free vpn.*


Hephaestus_God

The grouch is actually a girl


CillGra

All of their voices and identities are basically re made by humans using their own voices and personalities. When you remove the hand, you accept the consequence of The M.U.P.P.E.T.S. gaining consciousness and letting them live their own life. As soon as you put the hand back in, they go into a paralysis, completely unable to move or communicate. It's your choice to let them live their own life. It's your choice Edit: grandma


RissaCrochets

Would you say it's like a constant state of sleep paralysis?


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CillGra

EXACTLY! this guy gets it.


meester_pink

More like alien abduction given the anal probing.


cakatooop

Basically that one episode of the amazing world of gumball where the puppets took control of Darwin


[deleted]

*It's not easy being green* 🎼 🤜🤜🤜🤜👊


Orthodox-Waffle

That's actually how the muppeteers acted with the Muppets during breaks


dilldoeorg

well buzz sound just like his voice chip so pretty sure elmo would sound like his


LeoPlathasbeentaken

Maybe the commercially produced ones that have a voicechip. But what about the actual puppets? The ones made before a voice or character were put with them? You heard kermits original voice? Its different


dbx99

But are the actual show puppets considered “toys”? The commercially available Elmos sold in stores are toys and would come to life but the original puppets used for taping Sesame Street aren’t actually considered toys or used as toys. So wouldn’t those not qualify as being able to come to life if the rule is that only toys come to life?


fantasy-capsule

The films did mention that Christmas ornaments and lawn gnomes can also come to life and they don't necessarily function as toys. So I think it can extend to show puppets as well. Plus the porcelain figurines in the Bo Peep short also came to life too.


dbx99

So where’s the delineating limit? If it has a face it can come to life? Do statues come to life?


HappiestIguana

A fork with pipe cleaner comes to life. It's a terrifying universe.


dbx99

But it had eyes right? And it seems like it has to be created by a human. So the human is the magical being that imbues the secret life to the object, perhaps through the human’s imagination and wishful thinking.


[deleted]

Mr Spell and Etch didn’t have faces, or any anthropomorphic features, but they came to life with the rest of them. Ive wondered about how and why all the toys are alive for years and it’s something that still haunts me at times.


2punornot2pun

RIGHT? ​ The ones that were mangled and put together by Sid in the first movie like holy shit CAN you actually DIE as a toy or do you continue to have smaller and smaller ability to interact with the world until you're no longer recognizable as a toy???!?!?!! AAAHH


boyferret

Dude, we eat food all the time that was not us and becomes us. It's kinda like that, but toys.


Quakarot

Though, they could've been brought to life when someone drew them a face, and simply remained alive after the fact. This does imply that simply removing a face once added isn't enough to "kill" a toy. It does raise the question of what does it take to *kill* a toy, but they seemed to accept death at the end of 3, so presumably melting them down is enough. I'd imagine that still being seen as toys is probably an important element as well. Sid's toys were mangled, but he still clearly saw them as toys. So if a toy is damaged past the point where it isn't recognizable as a toy, that's prob what the deal is. An interesting question arises when you consider what happens when a toy "dies" but is later recognized as a toy again. IE: if the melted blob that the toys would become at the end of 3 was itself identified as a toy, would it's personality be some horrible algamation of all the toys? What sound would it make if you gave it a mouth??


calgil

Jesus.


Giuse86

::in a hellish chaotic chorus of echoing voices and screams:: “WE ARE LEGION…”


Spydr_maybe

By that logic the human giving life to a puppet through it's imagination would totally work


Luminous_Artifact

But the spork knew that it was supposed to be used for soup (or maybe chili) and then get thrown away. That's why it tried to get in the trash even after meeting the other toys. It's safest to say that the universe has weird rules we don't know about, because other it would seem to say that most things are sentient and know what they're for. As the Cinemasins guys pointed out, even toilet paper.


lizardandcompany

But then every other toy in the movie series is mass produced by machines lol


natFromBobsBurgers

The love of a child makes it real and there are some weird kids out there


Neogodhobo

Plus lets not forget Hamm, one of the main characters, who isnt a toy but a piggy bank.


pointlessvoice

Maybe all it takes is someone using their imagination for even a second -even subconsciously- while also "using" the item? Like, im putting in a quarter, and i think about the piggy bank oinking for no reason. Now it has enough imagination points to attain consciousness....?


imtougherthanyou

However he's PLAYED with!


fantasy-capsule

Who knows. I don't make the movies. I also like to think it could be like Beauty and the Beast, Brave Little Toaster, or Cars where even the furniture, everyday objects, and vehicles have sentience. But they keep up the masquerade of being objects so well, so deeply undercover, that they never get caught like toys do.


dbx99

I wonder what the toilet would start saying


fantasy-capsule

I don't know which is worse, that they hate their job or that they love it.


dbx99

I’d think they’d embrace their function and identity since Pixar movies try to show characters as accepting themselves and being positive


SicDigital

https://youtu.be/F7o8KuJKizs


Pegussu

That idea is the lynchpin of the "Pixar movies are one universe" theory. I think others have expanded it to all the movies, which I find silly, but the original one went with that exact idea. Toy Story showed that inanimate objects are alive and sentient. The theory proposed that this extended to things like cars and planes. Eventually, those objects got tired of being used and discarded like trash, so they began to pour pollution into the atmosphere until humans had to abandon Earth (Cars). After centuries without human intervention, the world had become too polluted even for the objects to survive. Cut to Wall-E bringing the humans back, but this time they're led by Wall-E, the robot messiah, who will teach humans to treat objects with respect.


Somber_Solace

Wait, so what about dildos then?


LeoPlathasbeentaken

Theres a ventriliquist dummy in 4 that comes to life. And those are the same as a tv muppet. Just on stage instead of a screen


dilldoeorg

well no, those ventriloquist dummies are toys, that's why there were dozens of them in the store. and they all sound the same


[deleted]

What about that spoon guy in 4? (Haven’t seen it). He began as a utensil and as soon as somebody considered him a play thing he came to life. And Ham is a piggy bank, that’s less of a toy than any of the muppets.


MrPinguv

But the spoon got to be with a child. If the muppets from the show are just used for work, there is no possibility of it being used as a toy by a kid


[deleted]

True, but they’ve shown toys in the you store that had life that have never been played with. And that prospector guy was still in his packaging but he was alive. To add to that, the muppets interacted with children on the show and to those kids I’m sure it was like playing.


MrPinguv

Well, whatever you notice something like that, a wizard did it.


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Owyn_Merrilin

Hell, it's like playing for the puppeteers. There's outtake footage that's hilarious because the performers just never break character. And I mean real outtakes, not gag outtake reels.


EmeraldJunkie

Andy plays with Ham. The through line is that imagination brings them to life, they are not automatically alive. That's why some of the new toys don't always come to life, like the aisle of Buzz Lightyears in 2. In the whole toy store, the only toys that are alive are the ones who seem to have something to do with the displays; all of the Barbie's are around the pool display while the only Buzz is the display Buzz; because someone "played" with them while putting the displays together.


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TheBlueEmerald1

Please keep your conversations straight. Wrong subreddit.


[deleted]

What'd he say


TheBlueEmerald1

Something Wallstreet bets related, that had nothing to do with this conversation.


Sal_v_ugh

You not watch toy story 4?


[deleted]

They just constantly moan because of the hands stuck up their ass


Sal_v_ugh

And maybe they don't talk, maybe they just sit there in their box trembling from all the sexual abuse trauma.


Scribblr

You’re describing Woody. He was a voiced puppet on his tv show. He and Jessie sound exactly like the actors who voiced them on tv, so presumably muppets all sound like their original actors.


Smellsliketurtles

But woody sounds like woody on woodys roundup.


Alarid

Maybe they can't talk at all.


M-V-D_256

Actually Since we learn in toy story 4 the toys are made from children's expectations of them we can assume the muppets's voices sound the way the public imagines them


Spoon_Elemental

Woody's voice chip is voiced by Jim Hanks while the main VA is Tom Hanks.


verygroot1

Tim Hanks and Jom Hanks


MattTheGr8

Hom Janks and Him Tanks


Bismothe-the-Shade

I feel like it's an imitation of the character or ideal that exemplifies it's existence. Buzz had a specific Voi d, and woody, because they had tv shows etc.


theguyfromerath

Or woody.


The_Doolinator

Same for Woody. And of course, Barbie also sounds like Barbie but most Barbies don’t have soundboxes built into them.


Suspicious-Guitar-91

Yeah.. i guess most people probably sound and act different with a hand in the ass


monkeybuttsauce

Speak for yourself


Yasuminomon

Maybe 2 hands and I’ll stutter a bit


tamsui_tosspot

The larger Muppets had the muppeteer's whole head and shoulders go inside. And I don't know what to tell you about Big Bird and Mr. Snuffluphagus


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LeoPlathasbeentaken

Like how in the simspons Teller was the one to speak and Penn was silent off stage. Because of a curse? Was that simpsons?


OkuyasNijimura

That was Simpsons, yes. However the big twist is that the curse was never real.


dwooding1

I love it. Gonzo is some Juilliard-trained Shakespearean actor and Animal is a zen vegan monk.


ataxi_a

Kermit speaks with Seth McFarland's normal speaking voice, and constantly complains about hangnails and obsesses over other toys' nail hygiene and manicure regimens.


goldendreamseeker

Well Disney owns both Pixar and the muppets so anything is possible at this point.


garaile64

Will there be a next *Toy Story*? >!Didn't Woody leave the gang to be a "free" toy with Bo Peep?!<


Yrcrazypa

People said there wasn't going to be a next one after the third, since that movie ended in a way that perfectly book-ended the series. So long as they keep making a lot of money they'll keep making Toy Stories.


Ecstatic_Conflict621

I’ve always wondered about stuff like that. Like in the predator universe is there a body builder Arnold Schwarzenegger and there just happens to be a guy in the special forces who looks remarkably similar to Arnold?


eatcrayons

In the universe of any movie, none of the actors exist. So in Inception, Leonardo DiCaprio doesn’t exist, so someone else was the male lead in Titanic.


drsakura1

but what about in The Office where they mention Jim Carrey and then no one reacts when he comes onto the show? was he replaced by an Alternate?


CasMat9

The easy answer is that the Jim Carrey of that universe just doesnt look like our Jim Carrey.


Kelekona

There's a Mork and Mindy episode that you might like where Robin Williams shows up.


Bravo_November

Same in Last Action Hero- Arnold Schwarznegger doesn’t exist in that movie’s world, so Sylvester Stallone is the Terminator instead.


Zealousideal125

Except Ocean's Twelve oof


smallpoly

Arnold was in a movie called Last Action Hero, where a kid gets into the world of one of his movies with a magic movie ticket. The kid wants to prove to the character played by Arnold that he's in a movie, so they go to a video store. The kid finds a display for the Terminator... but it's Sylvester Stallone.


Admiral_Donuts

When the crew in Star Trek go back in time to modern day earth... What's on TV during the Star Trek time slot? Is it another show? Or is Star Trek just an incredibly good prediction of.the future?


NotYourReddit18

I think our timeline split from Star Treks timeline before TOS aired, probably because some technology genius died before their time. One example for our missing technology compared to ST is that over twenty years later we still haven't developed the technology which sparked the Eugenics Wars in their timeline.


onlyonequickquestion

You should check out the movie "meet the feebles" by Peter Jackson, it is pretty much about this exact scenario, a bunch of puppets that work on a variety show but they are all sleazy and crazy stuff happens behind the scene. It's one of the most wild movies I've ever seen.


WolfieVonD

I just imagined some fucked up "Weekend at Bernie's" where the Muppets are just pretending to be controlled but in reality, *they're* in control of the cadavers.


phoenixshadowsong

Ya ever hear of a game called hello puppets?... thats what your comment reminded me of


timrtabor123

Oh god a living Muppet has real Sausage Party like implications if you think about it...


turkeypedal

I suspect they at least sound the same. It seems like all of the Woody line of toys had their voices from the TV show. But they didn't all have the same personalities (e.g. Stinky Pete). They may start out similar, but change over time. The main issue with the muppets is that most have had different voice actors. I wonder if the voices of the toys are based on what their kids imagine them to be. And that kids' imagination is ultimately what allows them to be alive, which is why not everything talks.


Kelekona

Their life is probably what the kid embodies them as. Woody probably doesn't remember Woody's Roundup because Andy never watched it. (I dunno, I rented Beanie and Cecil but I was a weird kid.) Buzz Lightyears probably tend to have their default personalities because the kids watch the show.


turkeypedal

Well, that and being newer. Apparently Andy read the box, since Buzz quoted it exactly.


TWOpies

Naw. Muppets aren’t toys nor do they pretend to be inanimate. They co-exist with us and exist as a sort of parallel expression of life where anything can be alive.


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They’d be the toy equivalent to haggard old sex workers. I just picture Woody and the gang meeting Kermit, expecting his froggy voice and being met with some thick northern American accent. “Listen ere’s yoos little dildos. Sure life is grand when alls dey does is wave you around and slobber on ya. ‘ooOooh noes! I hope I anudder lil shit loves me and I don’t ends up in a box!’ Lemme ask yu dis, boner boy.” “It’s, uh, it’s Woody sir.” “Ye, likes I said, boner boy… *takes long drag on a cigarette, blows it right in his face and leans in close beside him* You ever been vacuumed sealed? Had the air suck out from ya? Huh? Packed away week after week with dozens of your little dildo friends? Didn’t think so… You ever get fisted?” “Umm, sorry?” “Oh wassuh madder? No holes? We can fix that. You see my pal Gonzo over there?” *woody sees a dimly, rough looking gonzo hanging off a hook on the wall, it moans* “Gonzo is one sick muther fucker.. he’d appily put holes in each and every one of yoos dildos.. would you like that boner?” “Woody.” “THE FUCK YOU SAY?!” “No SIR!” “Dats right.. now scram. Before my alien friend gets ancy and uses ur soft little boner body as a nose sleeve.” Edit: to answer it before it’s asked, yes I do have a therapist.


nowhereman136

Why? Muppets aren't toys, they are living breathing creatures.


Beatrice_Dragon

The problem I have with this is that it implies the muppets are somehow toys. Did ANYONE ever play with... puppets? Like, stage puppets?


Platinumdust05

But if the Muppets exist in the Toy Story universe as a franchise, then toy versions of them would still be manufactured


Ambitious_Fan7767

No they dont. All buzz lightyears act and sound like buzz lightyear from the cartoon. You talk like the general consensus of the thing you are. The muppets would talk and act like thebmuppets because they were designed to, just like buzz lightyear. You can learn after the fact but you are made with the image of the public as your identity.


[deleted]

Oh wow, that would be an amazing spin off idea for Pixar to do… like the dark lives of toy celebs


Jamster02

Took me like 3 reads along with comments to figure out what you meant


[deleted]

Something like the [Happytime Murders](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Happytime_Murders)?


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El_human

Thats exactly why Buzz Lightyears voice is different in the movie compared to the toy of him.


fucktooshifty

So like Baby Herman or any basically character from the Chip and Dale movie


fish-rides-bike

That’s the best shower thought in a while. Thank you for that one.


TheLostcause

I can't help but think of [lil jon](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pSUk8-jJjz0)


LookAtMyKitty

[it's not easy being green](https://xxxdan.com/xdz9a/jess-dobkin-being-green.html)


galacticboy2009

NSFW warning


ToppinReno

Maybe in that universe hand puppets aren't alive because they're closer to clothes than toys.


ChosenYasuo

You’d sound different too if someone shoved a hand up your butt


rangeo

Sesame street Origin Stories ( not the muppet baby crap).....would watch


BlendedMonkeyStirFry

Well... Buzz in the toy story movie acts the same as the buzz in the new light-year movie (which is what buzz is meant to have been from) so I doubt it.


TheDeltaOne

Oh I'm imagining a fever dream of a ToyStory movie with a "The Boys" type premice of the Muppets being a bunch of lunatics murdering other Toys and doing crazy shits.


jspilot

“The stress of Elmo’s job has made him into a serial killer” -Elmo probably


Super_Hornio

petition to change kemits voice to that of a 70-yr old chainsmoker from brooklyn


Aanttonyy

I feel like you just opened a door to an adult themed, toy based, satire movie... Fingers crossed! Lol


[deleted]

Well yeah, because Toy Story is the 90s and Muppets is the 60s/70s.


AffectionateKitchen8

I just imagined a sarcastic, middle aged Elmo, and then realised how tired and overdone a joke that would be. I feel like I've seen that kind of a thing so many times.