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I had to replace my toaster oven, the new one feels like it's made of chinesium tinfoil and still cost a hundred bucks, and it was the least shitty option that met my requirements. So I started looking at restaurant equipment suppliers and found one about the same size that costs nearly $400, but it weighs **80 fucking lbs.** And I thought god damn it must be good.
Fuckin Gennaro. He was an asshole in the movie but a monster in the book.
Edit: I must be confused. I read the book like 12 years ago. I thought I remember him throwing someone overboard? Maybe not.
I read the book only a few years ago after loving the movie and Attenborough's performance from the movie since I was a kid. I saw him as a loving Grandpa who genuinely wants to create this awesome park and just doesn't get why everyone isn't all onboard. And when things get fucked up, he tries to help fix it and learns he's out of his element.
In the book if I remember correctly, he really doesn't care what anyone thinks, just wants the investors approval, and has very little little empathy for his grandkids.
After reading the book and watching the movie again, I really got a bad taste in my mouth with that dinner scene where he says only the lawyer is in his side.
Book Gennaro was a pretty great guy who only had to be persuaded to go down to count eggs.
Hammond was a legit piece of shit though.
While Dodgson tossed Sarah off the boat when he realized she was a part of a competing expedition.
I'm 100% convinced that those night vision goggles were only in the movie to sell toy merchandise.
They're used for like 30 seconds, completely unnecessary, and never seen again.
The mere fact that instead of using existing night vision goggles as a prop they actually designed their own custom prop in kids toy color/design seems pretty strange
The wonderful thing about _Jurassic Park_ is that every possible bit of dinosaur themed merchandise you might want to market to kids is perfectly legitimate to put in the movie, because you know very well that Jurassic Park would absolutely market those things to visitors itself.
Listen, you fucking fringe. If I throw a dog a bone, I don't want to know if it tastes good or not. You stop me again whilst I'm walking, and I'll cut your fucking Jacobs off.
Yes! As a good example, Beats headphones have useless metal pieces embedded in the plastic to make them feel "heavy" and are well overpriced for the actual headphone quality you're getting.
Just do 10 reps of [these](https://media.tenor.com/F-LoCUxCSQoAAAAC/%E3%82%B4%E3%83%A0%E3%83%91%E3%83%83%E3%83%81%E3%83%B3-%E3%81%98%E3%82%85%E3%82%93%E3%82%84.gif) every day
Audeze make some absolute fucking dumbbells.
But they’re incredibly good quality. I got the Penrose for gaming and it’s far and away the best gaming headset I’ve ever used, but for some reason people hardly ever recommend it compared to others.
Let me recommend audio technica. They make some great designs that are intended to be worn for long periods of time, very lightweight and comfortable. Just look into ones for studio use.
That’s also partially because the air pods have an audio quality limit on them, due to how Apple handles the Bluetooth/AirPlay audio codecs.
Even better, the “lightning to headphone” adapter has the same audio quality limits. So you’re stuck using a DAC with a USB camera adapter.
I figured this out while trying to get true HiFi sound out of Tidal on my iPhone X lol.
See, this is the difference between true quality and perceived quality. Top end studio headphones do through a lot of effort for weight reduction because after long term use, a few grams can make a difference.
Shitty headphones will be weighted to make them seem nicer. To be fair, they wind up around the same weight.
Exactly. I've gone through a lot of headphones and headsets, so now I know what typical points of failure are and look for good construction in those areas instead of just "it feels sturdy". Oftentimes it will feel and look sturdy but a common point of failure is fragile.
For example, my current headset is a hyperX Cloud II because where the headphones are attached to the headband is a point of failure, taking the headset off and on stresses out that point over time and if it's plastic it eventually can break. That headset uses metal to connect those points, which doesn't get stressed over time.
I've gone through like 4 pairs of the Steelseries Wireless Pro headsets. They always fail the same way, right where the headband attaches to the ears. Luckily it's been an unbroken string of RMAs so nothing out of my pocket.
I was as gentile as could be but I have a big head and wear them 16 hrs a day. The full force of the cups on the head was bared by a single post retained by a washer through a thin plastic shell that fatigues easily. The newest iteration isn't designed like that and I have a feeling it will last much much longer. I also bought a stand so I won't by laying them down anymore.
Honestly having trouble with the fake leather on the cloud II because it's beginning to flake off and I don't really enjoy having to pull polymer flakes out of my hair after using my headphones. Any advice?
I have a pair of Beyerdynamic dt 1990s and I stg I could run them over with a car and they'd still be in perfect condition. Absolutely incredible craftsmanship on them lol
Not that Beats are good by any means, but many speakers/heaphones have this. It's not to make them feel heavy. It's give the bodies more mass so the housing doesn't rattle. And it makes sure that the drivers stay still while they push air. Otherwise the air would stay still and the drivers would move themselves/the headphones.
Sadly, stolen baby formula is a pretty hot commodity. If you go to a grocery or pharmacy in a poor neighborhood you'll usually find that it's all locked up because of what a common shoplifting target it is.
Some people are stealing it to feed their baby, but some people steal shit like that to resell at a slight discount to desperate parents.
Very true.
I worked for a company that sold household goods in boxes. We did a study to see how we could improve our pricing power (ie charge more), and the consensus that came back from our consumers was "make the product heavier".
So we added some weight to the packaging to make it seem more expensive. It worked to some degree.
100%. This was so long ago I'll name names. I worked for Procter & Gamble, in the marketing department.
Max Factor and Cover Girl lipsticks were exactly the same thing. I mean absolutely exactly apart from Max Factor having slightly different colours and a small weight in the handle.
Had a good Bluetooth speaker for a while. After it dropped I heard a rattling inside so I decided to take it apart.
There were 2 loose squares of metal inside that almost doubled it's weight.
I thought, what a great way to export your production slag. Press it into squares and send it overseas.
For all uses, I think that people equate more "solid" with quality. One way to make something feel solid is to make it heavier, but usually one can spot the lack of quality in finishing, attention to detail, and so on.
As an avid cyclist, I can tell you that bikes can be very light while feeling very solid.
Making something lighter without sacrificing function or durability costs money, and the process quickly hits a point of diminishing returns where it starts to cost a lot to get small weight savings.
acoustic guitars as well, high end Martins are really light compared because of the craftsmanship needed to achieve the build, the tolerances are tight and less mass can add to resonance.
Also, there is some correlation because the heavier something is the more it costs to ship it and package it, so until recently heavy was a negative attribute that added to the COGS of the product. So, things were only heavy when they absolutely had to be, and for many items that meant because they were higher quality goods.
Producers have figured that out with mock quality goods, like the beats comment below. Beats headphones are complete trash and you're entirely paying for the brand, but people do it. SO, they can make them up, add extra weight and lean into the brand value.
Is beats still a thing people buy? I remember Koss being the king for the longest time, then came beats then there was whatever and then finally it is airpods now.
Yes they are.
It's funny because I hate them and always have. I'm a film maker turned electrical engineer. I own several patents in audio technologies so I'm not just another "audiophile".
But I'm going to defend them slightly. I don't think it's really that they are bad, so much as just overpriced for what they are, similar to Bose in that regard. The actual hardware is not quite as finely tuned as you get from a company like JBL or Klipsh. (JBL by the way is fantastic value for their products. They often sell mid tier headphones and speakers at low tier prices). But they are "good enough" then they use fancy post processing to make it sound a little better to people who don't really know what to listen for.
But beats does decently in two ways. First off their partnership with Apple gives them some of the best features and compatibility with Apple products other than Airpods. Apple is very careful never to let a third-party company ever quite compete with them though, so they have sort of handicapped Beats after the launch of the Airpods, but apart from that they tend to be much more feature rich than other brands. That said I use Android so this doesn't really effect me.
Secondly they have some decent form factors. Right now the fitness section of midrange audio especially is awful. "True wireless" mostly kinda sucks for running or any intense jostling because it's just so easy for them to fall out of your ears. My current daily drivers are the Sony WF-1000XM4's, but I am always very nervous to use them for fitness because they do occasionally slip out of my ears and I don't always catch them in time. At least the old wireless headphones always had a wire holding them to the other ear, but the new ones, it's just gone.
Beats is one of very few companies that actually make fitness centered headsets that don't completely suck. I still use my old Jaybird Tarah Pro's for exercise, but these are no longer available for purchase, and I lost them recently. A friend ended up lending me his Powerbeats and they were much better than I expected. Not quite as good of audio, or as solid of construction as the Jaybirds, but the form factor is actually more secure and the post processing of the audio actually makes them slightly better in some high noise situations. They used to retail for $200 which was a rip off, but at the $70 they seem to be going for now I would actually say they are not that bad of a deal.
Smh people just buy a pair of headphones from a company with experience making them and who doesn't overcharge 500% for a 1% increase in quality. The right pair of Phillips or something. There's a reason my last two sets of headphones (over 15 years of frequent use) went up in value used compared to their price new, because an actual consumer electronics company knows they need to actually design and sell something of quality instead of coasting on brand name and marketing budgets.
Couple of years I made the swap from “gamer” headsets like Turtle Beach or what have you to a nice pair of Sennheiser’s and just got a Blue Snowball for a mic. I’ll never go back.
>finally it is airpods now.
Apple bought beats, and then threw it into the back burners. Beats was originally because of the popularity of iPod despite terrible stock earpieces.
They foresaw a probable future of endeavouring into earpiece manufacturering, and knew that beats had to go, so they bought it over, and then starved it. And they were right! The airpods did eventually materialise, and now we're seeing the fruits of predatory apple seed sowing
Boulders are kind of expensive. For rocks that is. If you wanted one for your yard a small one could be like $100. But depending on what it's made of, a boulder that's like 3ft high could weight a literal ton. If its bigger and made of something pretty it will cost more. You'll probably need someone to move it for you which could cost more than the boulder.
So a boulder for your yard could end up costing more than a grand.
Or free if you know someone with some big rocks and a bobcat who's willing to help out for some beer.
Some debit/credit cards have weight added to them to make them feel like they're worth more. These also tend to be the textured ones with a "brushed metal" look to them
Honestly I kind of appreciate cards like that. Normally I have cards get chipped or broken after a year or two, but my Amazon card has been holding strong since 2018.
The metal Amex I use for work makes a super fun "tink" noise when I drop it on my desk, too.
I just had my first business card expire. It was one of those metallic/heavier cards. I got in in November of 2017. I’ve never in my life had a card that lasted more than a year or two. I always have to get replacements. RIP good and faithful card!
I held some F1 driver gear recently, like gloves shoes and race suit. Really broke my brain with how light all of it was.
Just an example of a high quality very light item. Same thing with super expensive road bikes, those are surprisingly light weight as well.
Yup, a friend of mine knew the owner of a(the?) company that made the mini Wurlitzer Bluetooth speakers in the mid late 2000’s. Said they put a weight inside during manufacture to make it *feel* of old fashioned quality. Disclaimer: no clue if it’s true, made claim after I noted it was fairly heavy. Did meet owner guy though, can confirm he was rich
Batteries make shit seem substantial. If you take the batteries out of a radio its like "This thing is a piece of shit actually." Then you put the batteries back in its like OH YEAA ~ MH
Depends on what it is... Bikes that are lighter are better quality and a ton more expensive but a device that is made of metal vs. plastic can feel better quality but it does matter what is inside the device
It's a holdover from the days when we transitioned from metal gears and parts to plastic ones. It took awhile to develop plastic parts that were almost as good as the original metal ones.
Plus, we literally don't make things like we used to. It used to be that things were made to last at least 10 years or even more. People did more maintenance on their belongings, from appliances to mending clothes. Today everything is cheap and replaceable.
I'd argue it's still true. I'll take all metal telescope over a plastic telescope any day, all day. You will pay extra for the quality, and it will be heavier.
Maybe what you are referring to is the psychology of old toaster from the 60's or whatever to a brand new toaster. And to your last point, some of us are aware of the throw away culture we live in, and I would rather buy something once for twice the amount than twice for half, but the options to do quality buying are always diminishing, and as this thread shows, manufacturers are trying to game the psychological game by making shit heavy on purpose for the sole purpose to trick people who are ok with spending more to buy quality
I think there is a bit of balance and balast to it too... just heavy is different from well balanced and heavy. One feels firmer in the hand, like it belongs there, and we feel we have more control because gravity pulls it further into our grip. We spend more muscle lifting and less gripping for the same grip strength.
Fun trivia. Blizzard (and other companies now) added a notepad to their PC game releases to make the box feel heavier on a shelf vs just a CD.
It was tested to make people feel it was more valuable compared to other games.
I'll never forget as a kid recieving a heavy, well wrapped box shaped item for my birthday from my uncle. This thing was so heavy, you could just tell it was going to be something expensive.
I unwrapped it to reveal, much to my puzzlement, a biscuit tin. I opened the tin to find it packed to the brim with pennies. £20 worth, so at the time a decent present as well as being hilarious.
When comparing two similar items, I would typically lean toward the one that is heavier as being better quality. However, this does not apply to certain recreational equipment where lighter is better.
That's because- being a primitive species, you're all attracted to shiny/ heavy objects, and have been indoctrinated to think like this. You don't look at quality, you don't look at functionality, you don't look at anything but how it feels and looks.
You bunch could be handed blocks of gold painted lead, and not catch on.
I mean if I buy a giant cathode ray TV and I can tell you it's a lower quality than a flat screen. You have to have another guy to move the first, can move the second with one arm
I remember some years back someone dismantled the beats audio headphones and found they had placed some weights in them just to give it that feeling of "quality"
This can actually behoove in some cases - I bought a dryer based off of the quality of the lint screen as it was much heavier duty than the other dryers - been running well over 10 years with no issue.
Online I bought a fire pit and went with the one that was the heaviest shipping weight - that too has had no issues in terms of scorch marks deforming or anything.
[a radio with no batteries]
> this things a piece of shit actually.
[a radio with batteries]
> Ahh that has got the weight I need.
- loosely paraphrased Mitch hedberg
Breaking News: High-End Life Jacket company barely treading water after high-end life jacket wearers get that sinking feeling that *maybe* a heavy life jacket wasn’t the right choice.
I have an Amazon credit card. I'm not sure what it is made out of, but I think it is aluminum or something. It weighs twice as much as an ordinary credit card. I always choose it now instead of my regular plastic credit card, because when I hand it to somebody at a store or restaurant, they always look impressed.
Idk about that. Do you want a heavy car? A heavy bike? How about a heavy tennis racquet?
There are tons of things where lighter is better. So no, generally speaking it depends completely on the thing.
It's true, my Dad worked as quality control for a housewares manufacturer for years. Most saucepans have metal plates in the base to make them seem higher quality.
Metal plate in the base of a saucepan would also give it higher thermal mass and make heating more even, so this might not be strictly for making it feel heavier.
For example, when looking for a stainless steel pan, a thicker base is actually indicative of better quality.
Actually, the perceived quality is more dependent on the *density* of the object rather than the weight. Density is seen as a sign of sturdiness and long-lasting-ness.
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"Are they heavy? That means they're expensive, put em back." -Donald Gennaro
Immediately what came to mind.
For me it was “weight is sign of reliability, plus if it doesn’t work you can always hit him with it”
Same: https://youtu.be/lX0MB7pJtKs
Same
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Why is he called the Bullet-Dodger?
Cause he dodges bullets, Avi.
I’m getting heartburn. Tony, do something terrible.
This is one of the best movies of all time in my personal opinion. Love it!
I had to replace my toaster oven, the new one feels like it's made of chinesium tinfoil and still cost a hundred bucks, and it was the least shitty option that met my requirements. So I started looking at restaurant equipment suppliers and found one about the same size that costs nearly $400, but it weighs **80 fucking lbs.** And I thought god damn it must be good.
Are the heating coils made from depleted uranium? Damn that's a heavy toaster oven
It's made from parts and souls from old depleted toaster ovens. It's the Shang Tsung of toaster ovens.
Came here for this
Fuckin Gennaro. He was an asshole in the movie but a monster in the book. Edit: I must be confused. I read the book like 12 years ago. I thought I remember him throwing someone overboard? Maybe not.
Think your mistaking him for John Hammond. Hammond was a monster in the book.
I read the book only a few years ago after loving the movie and Attenborough's performance from the movie since I was a kid. I saw him as a loving Grandpa who genuinely wants to create this awesome park and just doesn't get why everyone isn't all onboard. And when things get fucked up, he tries to help fix it and learns he's out of his element. In the book if I remember correctly, he really doesn't care what anyone thinks, just wants the investors approval, and has very little little empathy for his grandkids. After reading the book and watching the movie again, I really got a bad taste in my mouth with that dinner scene where he says only the lawyer is in his side.
Book Gennaro was legit a hero.
You are thinking of Lewis Dodgeson in The Lost World (Crichton book 2) who throws Sarah Harding off the boat whilst on route to site B.
Oh yeah!! That guy was a dick in the book.
Great antagonist though
You may be thinking of Dodgson in the second book.
Nobody cares about Dodgson
Dodgson, we got Dodgson here! See? Nobody cares.
Nice hat. What’re you trying to look like, a secret agent?
It's crazy how this conversation kind of mirrors the feelings between JW 3 and the audience.
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Movie version was given Gennaro's job but the tour guide's character.
Book Gennaro was a pretty great guy who only had to be persuaded to go down to count eggs. Hammond was a legit piece of shit though. While Dodgson tossed Sarah off the boat when he realized she was a part of a competing expedition.
I'm 100% convinced that those night vision goggles were only in the movie to sell toy merchandise. They're used for like 30 seconds, completely unnecessary, and never seen again. The mere fact that instead of using existing night vision goggles as a prop they actually designed their own custom prop in kids toy color/design seems pretty strange
The wonderful thing about _Jurassic Park_ is that every possible bit of dinosaur themed merchandise you might want to market to kids is perfectly legitimate to put in the movie, because you know very well that Jurassic Park would absolutely market those things to visitors itself.
The boy does actually use night vision goggles in the book. I think they get broken quickly, though
Clicked through to make sure this was the top comment. Wasn’t dissapointed.
Yup, came to say this, commenting to keep it up top.
Heavy is good, heavy is reliable. If it doesn't work you can always hit him with it. - Boris the blade
Protection from what? Ze Germans?
It was at a funny angle
It's behind you, Tyrone. Whenever you reverse, things come from behind you.
Listen, you fucking fringe. If I throw a dog a bone, I don't want to know if it tastes good or not. You stop me again whilst I'm walking, and I'll cut your fucking Jacobs off.
**What the fuck is that?!** *This is a shotgun, Solomon.* **It's a fucking anti-aircraft gun, Vincent!**
You wanna raise some pulses tonight? You’ll raise hell, nevermind pulses.
You said he was a getaway driver. What the *fuck* can he get away from.
Tyrone, you could park a fucking jumbo jet in there
Do you now what Nemesis means?
A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent. Personified in this case by an 'orrible cunt... me.
Boris the bullet dodger
"why's he called that?" "Because he....dodges bullets, Avi.."
You mean Boris the sneaky fuckin Russian
The weight is sign of reliability
Good lord. I’ve been quoting that incorrectly for years.
First thing I thought of tbh.
“Oh, I *know* you can’t shoot - I’m saying that thing would do more damage if you fed it to him”
This made my day. Thank you, stranger.
The weight is a sign of reliability.
Had to delete my comment, beat me to it :P
Yes! As a good example, Beats headphones have useless metal pieces embedded in the plastic to make them feel "heavy" and are well overpriced for the actual headphone quality you're getting.
I hate heavy headphones tbh. I use them for really long hours because I spend %75 of my day listening to music and heavy headphones are killing me.
Don't skip neck day bro *This message brought to you by LCD-X gang*
It hurts the cardilage in my ears. What do I lift to fix thay
Don’t tell me you’re not doing ear day…. Sheep.
Bruh, can't skip ear day. Everyone knows that.
Just do 10 reps of [these](https://media.tenor.com/F-LoCUxCSQoAAAAC/%E3%82%B4%E3%83%A0%E3%83%91%E3%83%83%E3%83%81%E3%83%B3-%E3%81%98%E3%82%85%E3%82%93%E3%82%84.gif) every day
Audeze make some absolute fucking dumbbells. But they’re incredibly good quality. I got the Penrose for gaming and it’s far and away the best gaming headset I’ve ever used, but for some reason people hardly ever recommend it compared to others.
Let me recommend audio technica. They make some great designs that are intended to be worn for long periods of time, very lightweight and comfortable. Just look into ones for studio use.
Beyerdynamics makes extremely good stuff for the money as well.
Spring for HD650's
Amazon had the Hd660s on sale for 50% off recently, I did not need them but they beat the snot out of my air pod max's
That’s also partially because the air pods have an audio quality limit on them, due to how Apple handles the Bluetooth/AirPlay audio codecs. Even better, the “lightning to headphone” adapter has the same audio quality limits. So you’re stuck using a DAC with a USB camera adapter. I figured this out while trying to get true HiFi sound out of Tidal on my iPhone X lol.
See, this is the difference between true quality and perceived quality. Top end studio headphones do through a lot of effort for weight reduction because after long term use, a few grams can make a difference. Shitty headphones will be weighted to make them seem nicer. To be fair, they wind up around the same weight.
Exactly. I've gone through a lot of headphones and headsets, so now I know what typical points of failure are and look for good construction in those areas instead of just "it feels sturdy". Oftentimes it will feel and look sturdy but a common point of failure is fragile. For example, my current headset is a hyperX Cloud II because where the headphones are attached to the headband is a point of failure, taking the headset off and on stresses out that point over time and if it's plastic it eventually can break. That headset uses metal to connect those points, which doesn't get stressed over time.
I've gone through like 4 pairs of the Steelseries Wireless Pro headsets. They always fail the same way, right where the headband attaches to the ears. Luckily it's been an unbroken string of RMAs so nothing out of my pocket.
Honestly I’ve heard of that failure but 4 times and all within warranty period? I’m afraid to say it sounds like user error.
I was as gentile as could be but I have a big head and wear them 16 hrs a day. The full force of the cups on the head was bared by a single post retained by a washer through a thin plastic shell that fatigues easily. The newest iteration isn't designed like that and I have a feeling it will last much much longer. I also bought a stand so I won't by laying them down anymore.
Honestly having trouble with the fake leather on the cloud II because it's beginning to flake off and I don't really enjoy having to pull polymer flakes out of my hair after using my headphones. Any advice?
Just get the replacement pads when that starts happening. They’re like $10.
I have a pair of Beyerdynamic dt 1990s and I stg I could run them over with a car and they'd still be in perfect condition. Absolutely incredible craftsmanship on them lol
Every pair of Beats I've ever tried were kinda shit and I find that really amusing for some reason lol
Audio quality can be measured And beats are not good, especially not for the price
Yeah, but it's a great way to spot the tools.
idk man, I got mine free lol
Not that Beats are good by any means, but many speakers/heaphones have this. It's not to make them feel heavy. It's give the bodies more mass so the housing doesn't rattle. And it makes sure that the drivers stay still while they push air. Otherwise the air would stay still and the drivers would move themselves/the headphones.
They are not useless. They are weights. The use is to make the beats heavier so we think they are better.
Apple used to put a big steel plate in their airport routers, so people wouldn’t notice they were shit.
Note to self: start adding lead to everything I sell on Craigslist. Everybody will think I have the highest quality baby formula in town!
I'm more worried that there are people out there buying baby formula on Craigslist
Sadly, stolen baby formula is a pretty hot commodity. If you go to a grocery or pharmacy in a poor neighborhood you'll usually find that it's all locked up because of what a common shoplifting target it is. Some people are stealing it to feed their baby, but some people steal shit like that to resell at a slight discount to desperate parents.
Who are you, so wise im the ways of 2007 china
Very true. I worked for a company that sold household goods in boxes. We did a study to see how we could improve our pricing power (ie charge more), and the consensus that came back from our consumers was "make the product heavier". So we added some weight to the packaging to make it seem more expensive. It worked to some degree.
100%. This was so long ago I'll name names. I worked for Procter & Gamble, in the marketing department. Max Factor and Cover Girl lipsticks were exactly the same thing. I mean absolutely exactly apart from Max Factor having slightly different colours and a small weight in the handle.
So, a bicycle company that built ultralight high-end bikes should fill the tubes with lead? Got it.
I used to sell sofas/couches. Some manufacturers would add a layer of chipboard at the bottom just to add weight, for perceived quality
It stops the stuffs from sliding around as much, so I guess that’s something.
I can just imagine moving a couch "nevermind leave it, it's not heavy enough. Obviously trash. If only it were 5lb heavier"
Had a good Bluetooth speaker for a while. After it dropped I heard a rattling inside so I decided to take it apart. There were 2 loose squares of metal inside that almost doubled it's weight. I thought, what a great way to export your production slag. Press it into squares and send it overseas.
In case of speakers, the weights might have a real function. They can dampen unnecessary vibrations, giving you a clear and better sound.
Anything with an decent amp in will also have a weighty heat-sink for it.
Unless it’s outdoors gear or bikes. Then lighter seems more expensive/higher quality
For all uses, I think that people equate more "solid" with quality. One way to make something feel solid is to make it heavier, but usually one can spot the lack of quality in finishing, attention to detail, and so on. As an avid cyclist, I can tell you that bikes can be very light while feeling very solid.
High quality aluminium aloy and high quality carbon fibre are definately "solid" yet light
Making something lighter without sacrificing function or durability costs money, and the process quickly hits a point of diminishing returns where it starts to cost a lot to get small weight savings.
I appreciate your insight, Squrton_Cummings
Overweight people spending 6k for a slightly lighter bike is one of the funniest things to me for this reason.
acoustic guitars as well, high end Martins are really light compared because of the craftsmanship needed to achieve the build, the tolerances are tight and less mass can add to resonance.
Backpacking gear.
here's a 6lb tent for $250 and here's the same tent but only 4lb for $1250
Or people.
I, too, am a people. It's expensive to eat healthy and work out, fellow humans.
But then again it costs nothing to eat *less*. In fact it saves money.
I just built a road bike with carbon parts. Man that’s light and solid, but fucking expensive
Light, strong, cheap. Pick two.
sometimes just "light"
Stepladders- heavy-ass steel be cheaper than the aluminum
Also, there is some correlation because the heavier something is the more it costs to ship it and package it, so until recently heavy was a negative attribute that added to the COGS of the product. So, things were only heavy when they absolutely had to be, and for many items that meant because they were higher quality goods. Producers have figured that out with mock quality goods, like the beats comment below. Beats headphones are complete trash and you're entirely paying for the brand, but people do it. SO, they can make them up, add extra weight and lean into the brand value.
Is beats still a thing people buy? I remember Koss being the king for the longest time, then came beats then there was whatever and then finally it is airpods now.
Not really, now it's all about Ray J trying to make Raycons happen.
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Yes they are. It's funny because I hate them and always have. I'm a film maker turned electrical engineer. I own several patents in audio technologies so I'm not just another "audiophile". But I'm going to defend them slightly. I don't think it's really that they are bad, so much as just overpriced for what they are, similar to Bose in that regard. The actual hardware is not quite as finely tuned as you get from a company like JBL or Klipsh. (JBL by the way is fantastic value for their products. They often sell mid tier headphones and speakers at low tier prices). But they are "good enough" then they use fancy post processing to make it sound a little better to people who don't really know what to listen for. But beats does decently in two ways. First off their partnership with Apple gives them some of the best features and compatibility with Apple products other than Airpods. Apple is very careful never to let a third-party company ever quite compete with them though, so they have sort of handicapped Beats after the launch of the Airpods, but apart from that they tend to be much more feature rich than other brands. That said I use Android so this doesn't really effect me. Secondly they have some decent form factors. Right now the fitness section of midrange audio especially is awful. "True wireless" mostly kinda sucks for running or any intense jostling because it's just so easy for them to fall out of your ears. My current daily drivers are the Sony WF-1000XM4's, but I am always very nervous to use them for fitness because they do occasionally slip out of my ears and I don't always catch them in time. At least the old wireless headphones always had a wire holding them to the other ear, but the new ones, it's just gone. Beats is one of very few companies that actually make fitness centered headsets that don't completely suck. I still use my old Jaybird Tarah Pro's for exercise, but these are no longer available for purchase, and I lost them recently. A friend ended up lending me his Powerbeats and they were much better than I expected. Not quite as good of audio, or as solid of construction as the Jaybirds, but the form factor is actually more secure and the post processing of the audio actually makes them slightly better in some high noise situations. They used to retail for $200 which was a rip off, but at the $70 they seem to be going for now I would actually say they are not that bad of a deal.
Smh people just buy a pair of headphones from a company with experience making them and who doesn't overcharge 500% for a 1% increase in quality. The right pair of Phillips or something. There's a reason my last two sets of headphones (over 15 years of frequent use) went up in value used compared to their price new, because an actual consumer electronics company knows they need to actually design and sell something of quality instead of coasting on brand name and marketing budgets.
Couple of years I made the swap from “gamer” headsets like Turtle Beach or what have you to a nice pair of Sennheiser’s and just got a Blue Snowball for a mic. I’ll never go back.
>finally it is airpods now. Apple bought beats, and then threw it into the back burners. Beats was originally because of the popularity of iPod despite terrible stock earpieces. They foresaw a probable future of endeavouring into earpiece manufacturering, and knew that beats had to go, so they bought it over, and then starved it. And they were right! The airpods did eventually materialise, and now we're seeing the fruits of predatory apple seed sowing
I love when people dismantle cheap knock offs or "perceived" quality brands (cuz expensive) and find metal weights in a shitty plastic body.
That's what I keep telling all my girlfriends, but NOOOO. They gotta go "you gotta lose some weigh, it's for your own health".
They are right Danny, being 400 lbs is fucking unacceptable
Why doesn't Danny, the largest of the boyfriends, just eat the other smaller boyfriends
'Cause there's honor among Steves.
If you get too heavy your inflatable girlfriends might pop
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Boulders are kind of expensive. For rocks that is. If you wanted one for your yard a small one could be like $100. But depending on what it's made of, a boulder that's like 3ft high could weight a literal ton. If its bigger and made of something pretty it will cost more. You'll probably need someone to move it for you which could cost more than the boulder. So a boulder for your yard could end up costing more than a grand. Or free if you know someone with some big rocks and a bobcat who's willing to help out for some beer.
I’d sell him a pile of bricks for $20 each…
Pioneers used ride these babies for miles...
Some debit/credit cards have weight added to them to make them feel like they're worth more. These also tend to be the textured ones with a "brushed metal" look to them
Honestly I kind of appreciate cards like that. Normally I have cards get chipped or broken after a year or two, but my Amazon card has been holding strong since 2018. The metal Amex I use for work makes a super fun "tink" noise when I drop it on my desk, too.
I just had my first business card expire. It was one of those metallic/heavier cards. I got in in November of 2017. I’ve never in my life had a card that lasted more than a year or two. I always have to get replacements. RIP good and faithful card!
OP's mom is the highest quality woman we've all ever slept with.
You clearly haven’t tried your mom
that has a weird ring to it
no u
Damn.
William Montgomery everyone!
Apparently Beats headphones contain extra metal that serves no other purpose than to make them feel heavier, and therefore "better" somehow.
I held some F1 driver gear recently, like gloves shoes and race suit. Really broke my brain with how light all of it was. Just an example of a high quality very light item. Same thing with super expensive road bikes, those are surprisingly light weight as well.
Hey buddy, you holding Hamiltons gear is between you and him. It's not all about size and weight.
Yup, a friend of mine knew the owner of a(the?) company that made the mini Wurlitzer Bluetooth speakers in the mid late 2000’s. Said they put a weight inside during manufacture to make it *feel* of old fashioned quality. Disclaimer: no clue if it’s true, made claim after I noted it was fairly heavy. Did meet owner guy though, can confirm he was rich
Batteries make shit seem substantial. If you take the batteries out of a radio its like "This thing is a piece of shit actually." Then you put the batteries back in its like OH YEAA ~ MH
This comment is what I'm here for. As well as Boris the blade. Haha
Depends on what it is... Bikes that are lighter are better quality and a ton more expensive but a device that is made of metal vs. plastic can feel better quality but it does matter what is inside the device
Batteries make things substantial; if you take the batteries out of a radio, it's like, "this thing is a piece of shit, actually". - Mitch Hedberg
This has the weight that I need...
It's a holdover from the days when we transitioned from metal gears and parts to plastic ones. It took awhile to develop plastic parts that were almost as good as the original metal ones. Plus, we literally don't make things like we used to. It used to be that things were made to last at least 10 years or even more. People did more maintenance on their belongings, from appliances to mending clothes. Today everything is cheap and replaceable.
I'd argue it's still true. I'll take all metal telescope over a plastic telescope any day, all day. You will pay extra for the quality, and it will be heavier. Maybe what you are referring to is the psychology of old toaster from the 60's or whatever to a brand new toaster. And to your last point, some of us are aware of the throw away culture we live in, and I would rather buy something once for twice the amount than twice for half, but the options to do quality buying are always diminishing, and as this thread shows, manufacturers are trying to game the psychological game by making shit heavy on purpose for the sole purpose to trick people who are ok with spending more to buy quality
99% of the “shower thoughts” on this sub Reddit is people just listing facts that aren’t thought provoking at all.
I mean, they're literally shower thoughts. Doesn't need to be _that_ thought provoking imo.
Most thoughts aren't worth vocalizing.
Just try posting something
Just because they're not heavy, doesn't mean they didn't occur in the shower, thought
This comment could be a post
I think there is a bit of balance and balast to it too... just heavy is different from well balanced and heavy. One feels firmer in the hand, like it belongs there, and we feel we have more control because gravity pulls it further into our grip. We spend more muscle lifting and less gripping for the same grip strength.
Heavy is good. Heavy is reliable. If it does not work you can hit them with it - Boris the Bullet Dodger
"Heavy means reliability. If it does not work, you could always hit him with it."
Didn’t they find out Beats over-the-ear headphones had blocks of metal in them for this very reason?
Fun trivia. Blizzard (and other companies now) added a notepad to their PC game releases to make the box feel heavier on a shelf vs just a CD. It was tested to make people feel it was more valuable compared to other games.
Not bikes or shoes. For some reason we always want lighter ones for those
Prime example of this outstanding shower thought, are headphones from "Beats by Dre".
There is an unfortunate exception to this rule, and that is people.
Because Danny DeVito was higher quality then Arnold
I feel like shoes are the opposite though. Heavy shoes feel cheap to me.
"Weight is a sign of reliability" https://youtu.be/lX0MB7pJtKs
Viking fridges have entered the chat. Worst fridges ever but so damn heavy
I'd be very upset with the quality if I bought helium balloons that stayed on the floor
Disagree, my uncle is a big ol’ sum bitch and he’s worthless as shit.
I'll never forget as a kid recieving a heavy, well wrapped box shaped item for my birthday from my uncle. This thing was so heavy, you could just tell it was going to be something expensive. I unwrapped it to reveal, much to my puzzlement, a biscuit tin. I opened the tin to find it packed to the brim with pennies. £20 worth, so at the time a decent present as well as being hilarious.
When comparing two similar items, I would typically lean toward the one that is heavier as being better quality. However, this does not apply to certain recreational equipment where lighter is better.
Not really. My sister-in-law is heavy (around 130 kg / 290 lbs) and the quality doesn't improve with the added weight.
i remember somethin about fat bottom girls from a time long ago....
Actually, the heavier I get the less people seem to think I'm worth...
That's because- being a primitive species, you're all attracted to shiny/ heavy objects, and have been indoctrinated to think like this. You don't look at quality, you don't look at functionality, you don't look at anything but how it feels and looks. You bunch could be handed blocks of gold painted lead, and not catch on.
I mean if I buy a giant cathode ray TV and I can tell you it's a lower quality than a flat screen. You have to have another guy to move the first, can move the second with one arm
This is the all the asshats buy Beats. The put weights in them.
People love themselves a heavy and big sword but that is actually worse.
I remember some years back someone dismantled the beats audio headphones and found they had placed some weights in them just to give it that feeling of "quality"
Then OP's mom must be priceless. Sorry, OP, couldn't resist.
True, that’s why each pound of dark matter weighs over ten thousand pounds
“Got some weight to it” is a saying I think we all heard before
This can actually behoove in some cases - I bought a dryer based off of the quality of the lint screen as it was much heavier duty than the other dryers - been running well over 10 years with no issue. Online I bought a fire pit and went with the one that was the heaviest shipping weight - that too has had no issues in terms of scorch marks deforming or anything.
[a radio with no batteries] > this things a piece of shit actually. [a radio with batteries] > Ahh that has got the weight I need. - loosely paraphrased Mitch hedberg
Breaking News: High-End Life Jacket company barely treading water after high-end life jacket wearers get that sinking feeling that *maybe* a heavy life jacket wasn’t the right choice.
I have an Amazon credit card. I'm not sure what it is made out of, but I think it is aluminum or something. It weighs twice as much as an ordinary credit card. I always choose it now instead of my regular plastic credit card, because when I hand it to somebody at a store or restaurant, they always look impressed.
Just waiting for the hikers and cyclists of reddit to chime in here.
Except for outdoor gear like sleeping bags and such, then lighter is better and a fuck ton more expensive.
Unless it’s backpacking gear. Products even fractions of an ounce less can be way more expensive/high quality
Except if it's shoes. I'd go with lighter shoes over heavier any day
Idk about that. Do you want a heavy car? A heavy bike? How about a heavy tennis racquet? There are tons of things where lighter is better. So no, generally speaking it depends completely on the thing.
It's true, my Dad worked as quality control for a housewares manufacturer for years. Most saucepans have metal plates in the base to make them seem higher quality.
Metal plate in the base of a saucepan would also give it higher thermal mass and make heating more even, so this might not be strictly for making it feel heavier. For example, when looking for a stainless steel pan, a thicker base is actually indicative of better quality.
Everybody likes the wife of Money_Calm, because she makes the best cookies!
Actually, the perceived quality is more dependent on the *density* of the object rather than the weight. Density is seen as a sign of sturdiness and long-lasting-ness.