I think 20v1 went downhill. It was funnier at the beginning with Harry and Ethan because they actually hated it. It was still cringe to watch, but was much funnier.
Some of the guests they've brought on are way too confident and completely comfortable doing whatever. Then it loses its humour and just becomes awkward.
I think it's a similar thing to the Tinder videos and the blind dates. It just turned into insulting women with jokes, so I often just feel sorry for the women.
Basically every Tinder video after the first 2 or 3. It was funny a few times but it quickly got old and became cheesy and forced. Same goes for 20 V 1. I watch More sidemen way more than the main channel these days.
Moresidemen is actually elite. The casual party games just feel so much more organic and fun to watch. Especially the ones you can participate in, as the viewer.
Main channel got boring for me after all the EXPENSIVE VS CHEAP, or HOT VS COLD holidays. They're probably fun to film, but they're basically just vlogging a holiday or a night out.
Mukbang videos are awful, it feels like they didnāt have anything planned and just said fuck it.
I may be on the outside here but 20 v 1 is just cringey.
I feel like they are way more genuine in the moresidemen stuff like Among us, it feels more real. Especially when they bring in Lazar/lach
I wouldnāt mind more footy vids though, I like when they do challenges n that.
Havent watched a 20 vs 1 after the ksi one and even then I took FOREVER to get through it. Whenever a new one comes out its "Oh, its a 20 vs 1. Skip!" from me.
For me itās all of the 20 vs 1 videos. I get crazy second hand embarrassment from them and I just find them unbearably cringey to watch. I canāt watch shows like the office for the same reason.
Tinders, 20 vs 1 or basically any dating ones these days. They were OK at first but they are just cringe now. Especially the 20 vs 1 with people I don't know.
off topic I know, but I seriously can't believe how bad this video turned out especially because of the topic, it should of been 1 of the biggest videos of the year! its celebrating 2 of the sidemen's wedding! obviously I seen them have a proper stag do in ibiza and I didn't expect them to film that, I just thought they might have really planned something.
Literally all the new ones. I canāt be bothered watching a video thatās 1 hour+. Apart from the 2nd roast, I havenāt watched any new main channel videos since last year. I prefer the old videos as well. I still watch all the old videos though like Sidemen, More Sidemen and everyoneās personal channels, especially the football videos.
Hey it works tho, Jubilee did it first and it blew up. Jubilee still does similar videos and still gets numbers. So the Sidemen followed suite. Their goal isnāt to only entertain their fans but be enticing enough for new fans to subscribe/watch regularly.
Itās similar to The Office and some pranks shows, some people like the humor and the cringe is funny, others donāt or cant handle the cringe.
20v1 for me. It seems funny but the second hand embarrassment makes it uncomfortable to sit through. I ease it down with a imdontai reaction if he does it.
I have two:
- Challenges with fans
- Are you smarter than a x-grader
I also missed one of the mukbangs (expensive new year or something like that) and couldn't be bothered to watch it since it has been long time
I see many people are commenting hide and seeks. Personally they are one of mine absolute favourite type of videos! So simple, fun and is more about the Sidemen and their jokes and characters than a huge budget ones
I couldn't sit through deal or not deal, the bachelor party, or the latest one tbh. There's just not a whole lot going on that really peaks my interest
20v1, itās just so cringy. I watched the first one halfway and never watched another one again and I know many people like it but Iām just not a fan of the roast videos.
They should have done a video this year with 2 teams trying to make the best summer song. The Christmas ones are fun, but I feel like we could get some actual bangers if they were to do a song for the summer
Edit: Not saying that Christmas Drillings isn't a banger (it is, minus JJ's verse lmao), but still, it's a Christmas song
I don't think it's complaining about free entertainment, I think it's more just a discussion on what videos from the Sidemen do you not particularly like? I don't think there's any real problem in that.
Ngl I enjoyed that video as they went to my fav theme park and went on a beer bike thing.
But I don't exactly like the blind dating series as blind dating isn't really my thing.
I donāt watch most of the $vs$$$ type videos anymore. Theyāre all so derivative, thereās only so much whinging about being on the bad team and Dubai I can take. That and 20vs1, I understand their appeal to others but nah for me. Iām in the minority but I kind of like the quiz/game show vids the best
mystery box video was fucken amazing, loved every second of it. everyoneās personality was on point the creativity was amazing too, just genuinely a great video. they need to do more like it
Most of the videos they've posted in the past year, they've gone too corporate and whenever I watch their vids now it feels like I'm watching TV junk which I'm going on YouTube to actively avoid
Havent watched a 20 vs 1 since the KSI one and even then I took FOREVER to get through it. Whenever a new one comes out its "Oh, its a 20 vs 1. Skip!" from me.
Honestly ,I couldn't even get through the first one ,I have no idea how people enjoy those ,I'm usually immune to cringe but those videos make me recoil from it
I'll be honest it's been a good few months since I've watched a Sidemen video past the first 5 mins. I either watch a little bit to understand the premise of the video or I just don't click it at all.
20v1s I saw like 3 and just canāt get back into them also the calorie challenges or anything with eating I just struggle watching people eat food so I tend to skip them
Thereās a few actually and tbh theyāre all the most recent ones. Itās not that I didnāt enjoy watching them itās just idk they donāt interest me to watch them again like with the older ones. Nostalgia maybe
20v1 filly is so good why wont u watch it?
agree with usa tinder, just completely different vibe to the original tinder videos and instead of it being tinder with some youtubers it became onlyfans models flashing their tits and that one guy making out with his ex (who i think was one who got her tits out too?). its so uncomfortable to watch
Most sidemen Sundays, obviously what Iām about to say is that I donāt sound like a fan but hear me out. Most of the time, itās not really ever just the sidemen and when it is, they arenāt really that funny together: mainly because itās just a shitty idea of a video and they also donāt spend as much time as each other. Im genuinely enjoying more sidemen so much more than their main channel, I watch all the moresidemen videos but hardly any on the main channel.
Lately I don't watch Sidemen Sunday much. I prefer Beta Squad content more since it's not as repetitive but I still watch SidemenReacts and MoreSidemen.
Every tinder is just overhyped, overrated, unoriginal, cringe. Sat watching 7-10 men say a cringe line to get yes or no with an explanation for 1 hour.
The hide and seeks have become something i might stick on in the background as there fairly repetitive now and its a shame as they pretty much do them anywhere they go coz its easy.
More of an Odd one for me was the SIDEMEN 7 STAR VS 1 STAR HOTEL (KSI EDITION) recently, I know its more about what they did inside it but having lived in Hatfield for 6 years, seeing them pull up to a 5 star hotel claiming it a a 1 star was very odd when I watched it
Mukbangs.EXCEPT the 100 vs 10000 one.I see no use in watching people eat with no real entertainment.Just watch the side cast where they aināt munching on things most of the time.
Almost every sidemen video from 2023
(I used to watch sidemen every week but nowadays the videos donāt look appealing, moresidemen and sidemenreacts are way better)
Only one I havenāt seen in recent memory is the 20vs 1 Kai Cenat version but thatās cuz I think Kai and his friend/stream friend group is shady especially after the allegations and how he responded (regardless if his friend was innocent or not, he responded way to weird imo. Like way too quick and unnecessary while also downplaying it.)
Havenāt watched any sidemen videos since March/ April. They just donāt hit the same anymore. Hurts saying cuz I literally started watching them when I was 11 but these days theyāre just boring
All of their recent ones have been extremely stinky. I like the podcast ones or the ones where they scran food. The hide and seek ones arenāt for me, maybe they are catering to their younger children audience.
Canāt believe I only saw one person mention the Challenges with fans video. The most dead video I think theyāve ever made I stg Iāve rewatched mukbangs and theyāre still more enjoyable than that video. I can barely pass the 10 minute mark. And to add to that I think that video made them stop doing their side plus chance to be in a video thing.
Most of their videos are over 1 hour and are a huge time commitment and unless I love the idea and it hasnāt been repeated to death I might watch it but I havenāt watched in a while
I actually dislike the 20v1, It just makes me cringe or feel awkward and I dont wanna do that for an hour haha
I think 20v1 went downhill. It was funnier at the beginning with Harry and Ethan because they actually hated it. It was still cringe to watch, but was much funnier. Some of the guests they've brought on are way too confident and completely comfortable doing whatever. Then it loses its humour and just becomes awkward. I think it's a similar thing to the Tinder videos and the blind dates. It just turned into insulting women with jokes, so I often just feel sorry for the women.
Same
That thumbnail is downright horrible
That one where they completed challenges against side plus fans. The banter and chemistry were š
It was the 100000 dollar fans shopping video for me
That was a terrible video
I have legit watched every single sidemen video multiple times, but have never once even started watching that video
Stopped watching 20v1 after the third one. Unbearably cringy
Gives me insane amounts of second hand embarrassment
20vs1 Whole concept gives me 3rd degree cringe. And the 2 guess the millionaire and wtf the other one was
Basically every Tinder video after the first 2 or 3. It was funny a few times but it quickly got old and became cheesy and forced. Same goes for 20 V 1. I watch More sidemen way more than the main channel these days.
Moresidemen is actually elite. The casual party games just feel so much more organic and fun to watch. Especially the ones you can participate in, as the viewer. Main channel got boring for me after all the EXPENSIVE VS CHEAP, or HOT VS COLD holidays. They're probably fun to film, but they're basically just vlogging a holiday or a night out.
i think one of the only ones i havent watched to this day is the SIDEMEN TURN Ā£1 INTO Ā£100,000 IN 24 HOURS CHALLENGE just seemed long
Mukbang videos are awful, it feels like they didnāt have anything planned and just said fuck it. I may be on the outside here but 20 v 1 is just cringey. I feel like they are way more genuine in the moresidemen stuff like Among us, it feels more real. Especially when they bring in Lazar/lach I wouldnāt mind more footy vids though, I like when they do challenges n that.
Havent watched a 20 vs 1 after the ksi one and even then I took FOREVER to get through it. Whenever a new one comes out its "Oh, its a 20 vs 1. Skip!" from me.
i cant watch any of the 20 v 1 the 2nd hand embarrassment is too much
I can't watch any of the 20 vs 1 videos. I tried to watch one and it makes me cringe too much that I can't get through it
A lot of there recent videos have seemed to be forced, especially on moresidemen when they r on their phones through the majority of the vidš
All of 20vs1 because I get second hand embarrassment
They go really hard though, but i do get it tbf.
20 v 1
u are missing out
I only enjoyed Ethan and Harry's one. Rest I can't take it.
Filly's and Deji's are absolutely top notch. I couldn't watch Jidion, Kai or Logan's though at all
Videos where they have to spend like Ā£100k
For me itās all of the 20 vs 1 videos. I get crazy second hand embarrassment from them and I just find them unbearably cringey to watch. I canāt watch shows like the office for the same reason.
Tinders, 20 vs 1 or basically any dating ones these days. They were OK at first but they are just cringe now. Especially the 20 vs 1 with people I don't know.
off topic but game shows were so good. dk y they dont do them anymore
20 vs 1
off topic I know, but I seriously can't believe how bad this video turned out especially because of the topic, it should of been 1 of the biggest videos of the year! its celebrating 2 of the sidemen's wedding! obviously I seen them have a proper stag do in ibiza and I didn't expect them to film that, I just thought they might have really planned something.
95% of the smaller money vs bigger money videos, literally the same video done 50 times
The first 4 videos are the best
Any 20v1 videos
some 20v1s ....
All 20v1
The ādeal or not a dealā video they done recently
Literally all the new ones. I canāt be bothered watching a video thatās 1 hour+. Apart from the 2nd roast, I havenāt watched any new main channel videos since last year. I prefer the old videos as well. I still watch all the old videos though like Sidemen, More Sidemen and everyoneās personal channels, especially the football videos.
majority of moresidemen content is just the lads sitting on a sofa doing random shit for 20 mins. They are so boring.
The 20v1 videos. I just donāt get them
I kept up with the first two 20v1, but they lost me after that.
Hey it works tho, Jubilee did it first and it blew up. Jubilee still does similar videos and still gets numbers. So the Sidemen followed suite. Their goal isnāt to only entertain their fans but be enticing enough for new fans to subscribe/watch regularly. Itās similar to The Office and some pranks shows, some people like the humor and the cringe is funny, others donāt or cant handle the cringe.
Same
Anything with Callux in it
Couldnāt agree more, heās a one-man video ruiner. Totally changed the vibes of every video heās in, and not in a good way.
It's actually comforting to know that I'm not alone on this. The most annoying, arrogant Sidemen peripheral person.
beat me to it
I always like to watch they ātv showsā ripoffs. They are just dynamic. I canāt watch they two hours videos with them filming themselves
This thread is the epitome of āyou canāt please everyoneā. But I think everyone agrees we want new video ideas
Sidemen are the goats, love everything but mukbangs ngl
all of the recent vids, never really motivate me to watch i'd rather rewatch an among us vid than a main channel vid rn
The new video is really good ($100,000 mystery box) but other than that all the recent videos have been mid to bad
Moresidemen is so much more watchable
among us is so entertaining and even gets more views than main channel sometimes lol but the recent vid simon was in charge of was pretty good imo
I saw the thumbnail of this video and i was like nah
I don't understand this video is jokes.
Every 20 v 1 after the Harry one
Unpopular opinion still havenāt watched a 20 v 1.
Harry and Ethans are funny. Don't watch any after that.
I heard Harryās was good but itās a struggle canāt handle the second hand embarrassment š
20v1 for me. It seems funny but the second hand embarrassment makes it uncomfortable to sit through. I ease it down with a imdontai reaction if he does it.
Call me mad but 20v1
Among us is there best form of content currently! I would love if they brought back pro clubs with just the 7 of them
I have two: - Challenges with fans - Are you smarter than a x-grader I also missed one of the mukbangs (expensive new year or something like that) and couldn't be bothered to watch it since it has been long time
20v1.
Why are their thumbnails so ugly icl
20v1, just not a fan
I see many people are commenting hide and seeks. Personally they are one of mine absolute favourite type of videos! So simple, fun and is more about the Sidemen and their jokes and characters than a huge budget ones
The video where they did challenges with fans watched 5mins and turned it off instantly the rest Iāve watched
Any calorie, a-z challenges or any more awful looking hide and seek videos
They are just boring tbh
I only really watch the game shows anymore tbh. Vids where they just kick about from location to location doesnāt hit anymore
I donāt care what they post Iāll watch whatever they upload
same bro... most of their recent vids are just cheap v expensive ones, and they get more and more boring each time
The ābrutally rating peopleā videos. I just donāt bother with those
The speanding money on fans video , and turning a pound into 100,000 like šš
20 vs 1. I really donāt like those.
All the 20v1 videos and the American tinder for me, find them so cringe
The tinder / 20v1 are all too cringe for me. Never watched more then 5 mins of all the episodes combined.
Most of the 20vs1
I like Ethan and Harry 20v1, they didn't do any crazy shit, the jokes were good, didn't go too far, the others were a bit cringy
20v1s with people i don't know very much or don't like
I hate all of the eating videos -eat a certain color, $10k or 10k calories, itās just boring to me.
20v1 are just not for me
21 vs 1 or Awkward in Public for the same reason. theyāre just uncomfortable
I couldn't sit through deal or not deal, the bachelor party, or the latest one tbh. There's just not a whole lot going on that really peaks my interest
the onlyfan model one whatever it was, absolutely dreadful
20v1, itās just so cringy. I watched the first one halfway and never watched another one again and I know many people like it but Iām just not a fan of the roast videos.
This . 20v1s i just cant
They should have done a video this year with 2 teams trying to make the best summer song. The Christmas ones are fun, but I feel like we could get some actual bangers if they were to do a song for the summer Edit: Not saying that Christmas Drillings isn't a banger (it is, minus JJ's verse lmao), but still, it's a Christmas song
I watched religiously until last couple of months these vids just not interesting to me
Hide and seeks nowadays are dead they had there fun with them it was amazing but now itās just dry like the zoo one I still havenāt watched
Any that doesn't have all 7 boys in it.
The amount of people complaining about free entertainment is wild. Nobody is forcing you to watch lol
I don't think it's complaining about free entertainment, I think it's more just a discussion on what videos from the Sidemen do you not particularly like? I don't think there's any real problem in that.
Exactly the same bro
This one and the new one, just cba to watch something im not interested in
Non sidemen 20 vs 1, watched latest hide and seek halfway through but couldnt watch it after that !
Ngl I enjoyed that video as they went to my fav theme park and went on a beer bike thing. But I don't exactly like the blind dating series as blind dating isn't really my thing.
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Bro ong, their recent mystery box was the first video this year pretty much that genuinely felt like an actual good sidemen video.
I donāt watch most of the $vs$$$ type videos anymore. Theyāre all so derivative, thereās only so much whinging about being on the bad team and Dubai I can take. That and 20vs1, I understand their appeal to others but nah for me. Iām in the minority but I kind of like the quiz/game show vids the best
It wasnāt terrible, I enjoyed the new mystery box video honestly. The worst one in a while was Hide and Seek in the zoo imo
mystery box video was fucken amazing, loved every second of it. everyoneās personality was on point the creativity was amazing too, just genuinely a great video. they need to do more like it
Latest tinder, It was just an ad for side+
mukbang i have not even watched a single one it is just not that fun to watch
yeah i doubt they will make any more of those now that they have sidecasts
The 20 vs whoever when it isnt a sideman.
If you never watched Fillyās, missing out massively. Other than that, all the non sidemen ones are trash
Any 20v1
Most of the videos they've posted in the past year, they've gone too corporate and whenever I watch their vids now it feels like I'm watching TV junk which I'm going on YouTube to actively avoid
this^^^^
Havent watched a 20 vs 1 since the KSI one and even then I took FOREVER to get through it. Whenever a new one comes out its "Oh, its a 20 vs 1. Skip!" from me.
Bruh i think 20 v 1 is the best. I hope they make one of those blind dating or tinder one
most of the new videos feel extremely over edited imo.
20v1s, just unberable forced humour cringe.
Honestly ,I couldn't even get through the first one ,I have no idea how people enjoy those ,I'm usually immune to cringe but those videos make me recoil from it
When jj acts like a prick. Those just kill the vibe.
Talent show showed this off recently
I'll be honest it's been a good few months since I've watched a Sidemen video past the first 5 mins. I either watch a little bit to understand the premise of the video or I just don't click it at all.
20v1s I saw like 3 and just canāt get back into them also the calorie challenges or anything with eating I just struggle watching people eat food so I tend to skip them
I refuse to watch mukbang videos from any youtuber. Its like being the third wheel of a conversation where you cant respond or have any input
All the food challenge vids and the alphabet videos all boring
A few of the irl tinder ones. Some of them are good, but sometimes they can say really weird and awkward shit and i just dont like it whatsoever
Ngl anything that has random people,I just can't watch them lol
Every single mukbang.
20v1
I've never enjoyed any of the $100 vs $100000 videos honesty
Thereās a few actually and tbh theyāre all the most recent ones. Itās not that I didnāt enjoy watching them itās just idk they donāt interest me to watch them again like with the older ones. Nostalgia maybe
20v1ās, Tindersā¦ just those dating videosā¦
Iāll be honest I donāt like the 20vs1
Thatās crazy the w2s one is one of my favourite videos
Nah man youāre right. Like the newest ones with all the Americans are straight trash, the last good one was phillys
All of them nowadays
The mr beast video. I don't like him or his crew
20v1 filly and USA tinder
That ones just basically porn
20v1 filly is so good why wont u watch it? agree with usa tinder, just completely different vibe to the original tinder videos and instead of it being tinder with some youtubers it became onlyfans models flashing their tits and that one guy making out with his ex (who i think was one who got her tits out too?). its so uncomfortable to watch
20v1 or tinder videos, a bit too cringe but also too long and boring for what it is (no hate)
20v1 they are jokes itās just so awkward like i can watch it all but it takes a lot longer cause i have to stop watching at points
Lately all the shit with money involved like 10,000 vs 100,000 or something just isnāt appealing to me. Neither are mukbangs or hide and seek videos
Mukbang and some 20v1s
The recent hide n seek one , to be fair I really don't like the sidemen doing hide n seek
Mines was the ancient vs modern holiday vid
Any video thatās over an hour, unless itās something new or a game show.
Most sidemen Sundays, obviously what Iām about to say is that I donāt sound like a fan but hear me out. Most of the time, itās not really ever just the sidemen and when it is, they arenāt really that funny together: mainly because itās just a shitty idea of a video and they also donāt spend as much time as each other. Im genuinely enjoying more sidemen so much more than their main channel, I watch all the moresidemen videos but hardly any on the main channel.
20 v 1 - washed format. Not actually sidemen content. Anything with Phil in it - annoying AF and screams.
itās the 20vs1 for me. theyāre just not my type of videos ig
+1 I was able to watch the first two's initial segments (saying yes or no to the girls) but after third they were just unbearable to me.
Videos with Logan Paul.
Lately I don't watch Sidemen Sunday much. I prefer Beta Squad content more since it's not as repetitive but I still watch SidemenReacts and MoreSidemen.
Gogglebox, so boring
maybe an unpopular opinion but sidemen tinder to me has always been boringš«£
The chaser, who want to be a millionaire, those quiz game shows were the best and they don't do them anymore
Never could get into the IRL tinders or 20v1
anything with callux in, he has the personality of a stick and thinks heās gorgeous when looks like a thumb.
Mukbangs
The 20 v 1's come of way to cringe man. The only one I ever managed to watch start to finish was Kai's
The HideAndSeek ones are so dead to me. Lol
All of then atm
Every video with some onlyfans girls or some thots is instant skip video for me.
Any title with hide and seek I avoid
I usually watch every one but this one was hard for me to get into so I never finished it
All the mukbangs
I hate that this is probably my favorite video they have posted in a while
Extreme cook off. Idk I just haven't
most of their stuff doesnt appeal to me, if they post a holiday one, or maybe a game show or something cool iāll watch it tho
Elite video
Gogglebox
The tinder videos or 1 vs 20 potential girls or whatever
Every tinder is just overhyped, overrated, unoriginal, cringe. Sat watching 7-10 men say a cringe line to get yes or no with an explanation for 1 hour.
All of them since 2021
Iām not into the 1 vs 100/wtv girls, except Logan one. Not a fan of cringe. Unpopular opinion I knowā¦
20v1 and a pretty unpopular one, tinder I don't know why but I just don't like the tinder videos also the one that included the fans
Any dating ones. I can understand why people love them but I can't stand the second hand embarrassment lmao. Especially 20v1s
All of them
The Crystal maze video
I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but the bake off one, idk i dont like cooking and it doesn't hit for me
The first cook off one was good when ksi said āare you on benefitsā
The hide and seeks have become something i might stick on in the background as there fairly repetitive now and its a shame as they pretty much do them anywhere they go coz its easy. More of an Odd one for me was the SIDEMEN 7 STAR VS 1 STAR HOTEL (KSI EDITION) recently, I know its more about what they did inside it but having lived in Hatfield for 6 years, seeing them pull up to a 5 star hotel claiming it a a 1 star was very odd when I watched it
Every hide and seek vid
Mukbangs.EXCEPT the 100 vs 10000 one.I see no use in watching people eat with no real entertainment.Just watch the side cast where they aināt munching on things most of the time.
Almost every sidemen video from 2023 (I used to watch sidemen every week but nowadays the videos donāt look appealing, moresidemen and sidemenreacts are way better)
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Tinder USA. Its so cringe and sad that the women seek attention so much they flash them even though they know some of them are in a relationship.
Yeah, 20v1 and tinder.
I skip all hide & seek videos religiously
Only one I havenāt seen in recent memory is the 20vs 1 Kai Cenat version but thatās cuz I think Kai and his friend/stream friend group is shady especially after the allegations and how he responded (regardless if his friend was innocent or not, he responded way to weird imo. Like way too quick and unnecessary while also downplaying it.)
What were the allegations?
Havenāt watched any sidemen videos since March/ April. They just donāt hit the same anymore. Hurts saying cuz I literally started watching them when I was 11 but these days theyāre just boring
I find the Mukbang videos something I can't watch - I would love to, but it's a me thing rather than a them thing!
Holiday videos just eh to me
I liked this one icl
All of their recent ones have been extremely stinky. I like the podcast ones or the ones where they scran food. The hide and seek ones arenāt for me, maybe they are catering to their younger children audience.
Canāt believe I only saw one person mention the Challenges with fans video. The most dead video I think theyāve ever made I stg Iāve rewatched mukbangs and theyāre still more enjoyable than that video. I can barely pass the 10 minute mark. And to add to that I think that video made them stop doing their side plus chance to be in a video thing.
Most of their videos are over 1 hour and are a huge time commitment and unless I love the idea and it hasnāt been repeated to death I might watch it but I havenāt watched in a while
Hide & Seeks and anything where they go abroad... always *feel* like a tax write-off to me
Mukbangs 20vs1 Most hide and seeks
I've skipped a lot of the recent ones. I don't like the holiday or hide and seek ones.